(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Cup Brno 2012]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Jan Hora]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-09-09]EV[European Go Cup Brno 2012]RO[6]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Pulcik]
;B[pd]C[Brno2012EC [-\]: pairing for last round: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2012/pair6.txt
Javaness [3d\]: is there a scoretable?
Brno2012EC [-\]: Ondrej just come, we can begin
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;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[cn]
;B[pq]
;W[dd]
;B[qk]
;W[nc]C[Javaness [3d\]: my money is on mr hora
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;B[pf]
;W[pb]
;B[qc]
;W[kc]
;B[jp]
;W[po]
;B[np]
;W[qq]C[Javaness [3d\]: oh, it's a blitz game
Athanor [-\]: nice
shusai [2k\]: p3
Brno2012EC [-\]: results have not yet been updated: https://sites.google.com/site/goinbrnoen/news/results
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;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[rr]
;W[qm]
;B[nn]
;W[mo]C[Longshi [5d\]: p6 
tanker [2k\]: what is the idea behind n5?
Athanor [-\]: no idea
tanker [2k\]: it looks it makes black stronger
chibisai [-\]: probe,makes invation easier?
Longshi [5d\]: if you play the normal sequence and then get the N5-O5 exchange, it's very nice for white
Longshi [5d\]: but of course by then it's too late
tanker [2k\]: oh thanks
tanker [2k\]: i just need to see the normal sequence now^^
]
;B[oo]C[Longshi [5d\]: normal sequence is, instead of n5 , p7 p6 q8 s9 s10 s8 r10 q7 
Longshi [5d\]: ah, very strange shape
plazmodium [6k?\]: p7 p6 q6 q8 s9 s10 s8 r10 q7 is normal
Uberdude [3d?\]: do the pros have a normal answer to n5?
Uberdude [3d?\]: i've seen n5 a few times but not heard any conclusions
Longshi [5d\]: yes, p6 from what I've heard
Uberdude [3d?\]: and then q9?
Uberdude [3d?\]: with an eye on p4 cut
]
;W[om]C[Longshi [5d\]: and then p4 I think, but my memory is a bit fuzzy
Longshi [5d\]: I don't have my book with me 
Longshi [5d\]: q4 ?
Uberdude [3d?\]: q6 can w cut?
plazmodium [6k?\]: no cut but better than joseki
]
;B[pp]
;W[qo]
;B[on]C[plazmodium [6k?\]: s9?
subrosa [2d\]: i dont understand the pairing. Why isnt the leader playing on board 1?
Longshi [5d\]: good result for b
Longshi [5d\]: for w I mean
Uberdude [3d?\]: sure?
Uberdude [3d?\]: b has not cut at p3 now
Uberdude [3d?\]: so inbade at m3 and h3 harder
Uberdude [3d?\]: b shape very strong
Longshi [5d\]: not 100% sure, but the q4 r5 exchange doesn't look ridiculous
Uberdude [3d?\]: and w eyespace is smaller than joseki
Longshi [5d\]: so it's a n5 p5 exchange, which is ridiculous
Longshi [5d\]: it's very similar to joseki
subrosa [2d\]: Brno, could you please answer my question,thanks!
]
;W[rk]C[Javaness [3d\]: it's round 6
Neriya [6k\]: rounds and then nockout?
Neriya [6k\]: knock*
Uberdude [3d?\]: i think the lack of p3 cut is quite a big plus for b
subrosa [2d\]: i see, so the links are not quite actual ;-)
]
;B[rl]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: n5 stone, i dunno what it is doing
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;W[ql]
;B[rj]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: i suppose m3 gap
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;W[pk]
;B[qj]
;W[rm]
;B[sk]C[goejgo [18k\]: hi what is this?
Uberdude [3d?\]: a game of go
Michaelz [4k\]: )
Uberdude [3d?\]: it's like othello
]
;W[nk]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: q10 
Uberdude [3d?\]: i thought w would push there
ThaElf [1d?\]: What is go; a game of conquest and deep strategy. That is what I call go.
Neriya [6k\]: o.o
]
;B[cf]
;W[be]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: d10 
Uberdude [3d?\]: then d13 k16
Uberdude [3d?\]: my preduiction
akanwa [4d\]: lower right looks better for black
goejgo [18k\]: is this a game?
bunyan3 [4k\]: :-)
Neriya [6k\]: its a broadcast
goejgo [18k\]: is there any other 18k here
]
;B[jd]C[bunyan3 [4k\]: check the list top right hand corner
bunyan3 [4k\]: it displays kyu and dan rankings
Javaness [3d\]: bring it
bunyan3 [4k\]: or go to the open games tab... you may find a similarely ranked player waiting to play
]
;W[jc]C[Neriya [6k\]: Can you be a pro if it isnt ur job?
Catlemur [12k\]: yeah
Uberdude [3d?\]: you can get a pro ranking and then go do something else with your life
Uberdude [3d?\]: such as milanmilan
]
;B[id]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: what does milan do
Uberdude [3d?\]: uni student
Uberdude [3d?\]: i tihnk he might have graduated now
Neriya [6k\]: H17
OldGeezer [2d\]: i would kill to be able to live from go
]
;W[kd]C[blurb1: good killer earns better ^^
Neriya [6k\]: well few are the games you're able to live from
Catlemur [12k\]: If you teach for money 12 hours a day you can.
OldGeezer [2d\]: like someone is going to pay a 2d xD
]
;B[jf]C[Neriya [6k\]: like someone is going to pay an old geezer
OldGeezer [2d\]: that 2
Neriya [6k\]: :)
]
;W[ke]C[Neriya [6k\]: has anyone read 'lessons in the fundamentals of gow
OldGeezer [2d\]: me, eons ago
Neriya [6k\]: reading it now
bkkboy [2k\]: I have -- it's pretty funny
OldGeezer [2d\]: it was a good read 
bkkboy [2k\]: I like his writing style
]
;B[hg]C[Neriya [6k\]: any other 'worth-reading' books u can recommend on?
OldGeezer [2d\]: bottom left now
OldGeezer [2d\]: surely
Goprince [4d\]: b14 probably
bkkboy [2k\]: I liked the whole Ishi Press series
bkkboy [2k\]: plus there's Janice Kim's "Learn To Play Go" series
]
;W[lq]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: w might be preparing h3
Neriya [6k\]: i have the dragon style
OldGeezer [2d\]: the book that made me improve when i was stuck around 2k was "the direction of play"
CBlue [?\]: gangnam style isnt bad either
Neriya [6k\]: have that one too
bkkboy [2k\]: way of the moving horse is good too
bkkboy [2k\]: basic but good on shape
blurb1: drunken ape style is awesome
]
;B[jq]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: well, time to go see hamilton and massa crash on each other
]
;W[ko]
;B[in]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: m3 mightve been an overplay
bunyan3 [4k\]: yes, too soon
bunyan3 [4k\]: now 2 weak grps
Goprince [4d\]: i only see one
bunyan3 [4k\]: well, potentially the right hand side one
OldGeezer [2d\]: that one is more or less safe
Feanor [1d\]: who won in the silt - simara game?
]
;W[nq]C[blurb1: silt
gobugobu [6d\]: I wanna play o2 for some unknown reason
Feanor [1d\]: cool
gobugobu [6d\]: instead of o3 
Uberdude [3d?\]: cos o3 contacts a storng stone and makes less eyespace?
Goprince [4d\]: cuz o2 is gote
OldGeezer [2d\]: can w n3 now?
OldGeezer [2d\]: b*
gruen [1k\]: couldn't black play l5 instead of k3?
Goprince [4d\]: n3 n4 n2 m2 o2 m7  to bad for blacl
gobugobu [6d\]: o2 is correct for B now
gobugobu [6d\]: it's just the vital point
]
;B[or]C[OldGeezer [2d\]: wow at p2
Uberdude [3d?\]: o2 really? i wuold p2
Goprince [4d\]: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]: oh so would black
theolddan [2d\]: still o2 seems better
OldGeezer [2d\]: p2 dont look very nice to me
OldGeezer [2d\]: w o2 and b is left uneasy
gobugobu [6d\]: that's right
gobugobu [6d\]: can you get it now uberdude?
]
;W[km]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: well, maybe i would o2 if i want to be cool
gobugobu [6d\]: I am sure you want to
Uberdude [3d?\]: but p2 was my feeling of the proper move
gobugobu [6d\]: still W has a good move at o2 
gobugobu [6d\]: yes and that was wrong
gobugobu [6d\]: the reason is that W is a vital point
theolddan [2d\]: with p2 o2 is some sort of sente for w so w almost alive
gobugobu [6d\]: e.g. W o2 --- if B ignores, W p1 ruines B's shape
ndkrempel [?\]: perhaps black didnt like white N2 in response to O2
ndkrempel [?\]: then if black P3, white N4 ko shape
ndkrempel [?\]: if black defends at P1 in gote (after fighting ko once), then white got more shape by getting N4 stone
ndkrempel [?\]: which prevents M6 being  a peep etc
gobugobu [6d\]: maybe he didn't like it but there is an objective factor in this funny game too
ndkrempel [?\]: i would also play O2, but im just thinking of reasons not to
ndkrempel [?\]: to understand black
gobugobu [6d\]: I don't want to understand him
gobugobu [6d\]: I want to know which move is better
Uberdude [3d?\]: roln. play bin!
Neriya [6k\]: i want to sleep
gobugobu [6d\]: how do you know Uberdude?
Uberdude [3d?\]: know what?
gobugobu [6d\]: rol. play bin
mobolt [4d\]: i think it was an order to roln
Uberdude [3d?\]: it was an encouragement based on my fan games list
gobugobu [6d\]: 寝リ屋
Uberdude [3d?\]: which observed that bin had offered a game
gobugobu [6d\]: 寝り屋　= neriya = sleeping shop
gobugobu [6d\]: ic
mobolt [4d\]: relevant because...?
ndkrempel [?\]: long time between moves?
gobugobu [6d\]: they take it seriously, or at least the guy who enters the moves into the computer does
gobugobu [6d\]: He may edit the times the moves are being played = which is his input into the game
Neriya [6k\]: lollllll
ndkrempel [?\]: sometimes they edit the moves too
Neriya [6k\]: wow
Neriya [6k\]: didnt know that
gobugobu [6d\]: they are not supposed to ;-)
blurb1: chech really like playing 100 moves in 2h and then blitz it out
gobugobu [6d\]: but hey, if you are bored and don't understand the moves anyway....
Neriya [6k\]: Neriya(hebrew)= Ner - Candle + Ya - God
]
;B[ml]C[gobugobu [6d\]: and you invented the 'i' - you made some contribution too
Neriya [6k\]: thats how u pronounce it
gobugobu [6d\]: if o7 n6 n7 m6 l6 m7, W is in pieces
gobugobu [6d\]: ic, but I thought you needed an 'i' there, so you could at least have a dot.
gobugobu [6d\]: because you don't have a 't' to cross
gobugobu [6d\]: here is another one:
gobugobu [6d\]: W n7 o7 o8 n6 m7 m6 l6 m4 l4 l3 
gobugobu [6d\]: B cuts of m3 and o3 
gobugobu [6d\]: so cutting off n8 is almost out of the question
]
;W[jl]C[gobugobu [6d\]: IRL I played Jan Hora about  2 years ago
blurb1: gobu where u live?
Uberdude [3d?\]: gobugobu, as ndkrempel said
Uberdude [3d?\]: had w got n4 in sente from o2
Uberdude [3d?\]: then that sequence would not have been as effective for black
gobugobu [6d\]: I didn't exactly outread him, but I played a move that I knew was impossible but I thought he wouldn't be able to spot it...... and I was right and this decided the game right away.
]
;B[mk]C[gobugobu [6d\]: hmmm, Uberdude, N4 would never have been sente, so your premise is wrong
ndkrempel [?\]: so after b O2 and w N2, i think b should just pull back to P2 without giving atari
gobugobu [6d\]: Gobu lives in Tokyo
ndkrempel [?\]: then its the same as the current position but with b O2 / w N2 exchanged
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, that is correct, ndkremp
]
;W[nj]C[gobugobu [6d\]: at some stage the cut at o7 or n7 becomes interesting again
ndkrempel [?\]: that seems to give white half an eye with L2 however
gobugobu [6d\]: well, now W can play o2 in almost sente
gobugobu [6d\]: so after that W can play l2 and get an eye anyway
ndkrempel [?\]: yes it depends on how connected out the black corner is
gobugobu [6d\]: (don't forget the anyways)
ndkrempel [?\]: if its well out, O2 can be answered with L2
gobugobu [6d\]: no
gobugobu [6d\]: because W p1 is incredibly sente
ndkrempel [?\]: yes
ndkrempel [?\]: but if white needs the eye to live
ndkrempel [?\]: it can be prevented
ndkrempel [?\]: the condition is that blacks corner is connected out so it wont die
gobugobu [6d\]: by dying yoursself?
gobugobu [6d\]: no, and no
Goprince [4d\]: lol
ndkrempel [?\]: i did say, only if blacks corner is connected to the center
gobugobu [6d\]: Well, here again, your premise is wrong
mobolt [4d\]: *muffle*
gobugobu [6d\]: It means that you want to spend a move in the center to connect in order to take away a possible eye and become eyeless yourself
Javaness [3d\]: that assertion is false
ndkrempel [?\]: black could have played to stay connected to the center right from the start
gobugobu [6d\]: do you see the problem?
ndkrempel [?\]: it depends on how black was intending to continue going to the center
gobugobu [6d\]: no, anyway, it is always better to live 100% (with B o2 instead of p2) than the 100% possibility for W to exchange o2 for p3 
Backflash [6k\]: have Silt always played this way?
gobugobu [6d\]: and that makes w s3 sente too
gobugobu [6d\]: what do you mean, blackflash?
ndkrempel [?\]: its hard for white to find time to play O2 also
Backflash [6k\]: seemingly with weak groups
Backflash [6k\]: but not really weak
]
;B[hl]C[Backflash [6k\]: with*
gobugobu [6d\]: The last time I played Silt he might have gotten distracted by his GF. Anyway, I outread him, but I thought his style was quite nice even though it was somewhat unconventional
Backflash [6k\]: yea, that word
gobugobu [6d\]: Yes, Silt believes nobody can outread him
Backflash [6k\]: wasn't his play a bit calmer?
gobugobu [6d\]: no, I don't think so
gobugobu [6d\]: and Jan is another character who believes in his reading ability
gobugobu [6d\]: so if W k10 l9 k9 m11 ; OR k10 n10 o11 n11 o12 h10 
gobugobu [6d\]: W wants to escape with k8 while hurting n9 or h13 
gobugobu [6d\]: but running out doesn't accomplish that
gobugobu [6d\]: So he might think of h9 
Backflash [6k\]: l10 first?
gobugobu [6d\]: or h3 to see what the aji is
Brno2012EC [-\]: results after 5 rounds: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2012/Brno2012.html
gobugobu [6d\]: but l10 has a huge problem
]
;W[nm]C[Backflash [6k\]: l10 n10?
gobugobu [6d\]: e.g. if B gets to play n6 , this would almost be sente
Backflash [6k\]: ah
gobugobu [6d\]: o7 is good shape but it is still not really an eye
Backflash [6k\]: w wants to cut
gobugobu [6d\]: so if W cuts, ndkremp,  B needs to play a move at n2 ... (almost)
Backflash [6k\]: and run in atack
off [2k\]: you think so?
theolddan [2d\]: now the difference between o2 and p2 might come into play again....
ndkrempel [?\]: yes, if black is cut O2 becomes a white sente
gobugobu [6d\]: well, yo are right, Backflash, aren't those 6d horrifically honest about their intentions
]
;B[mn]C[gobugobu [6d\]: having intentions is one thing, but actually showing them by acting on them.... I don't know if there is a word in psychology for it, but I am sure Freud had some thoughts about this.
theolddan [2d\]: wk5 sente now?
gobugobu [6d\]: as I said.... 
gobugobu [6d\]: B wants to exchange m6 l6 then cut with m4 l4 l3 
theolddan [2d\]: m6 would be exchanged vs k5 wont it?
gobugobu [6d\]: so W needs to defend m6 k5 j5 n4 or l4 
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, but m6 k5 j5 exchange leaves W with bad shape - he can now be cut with k7 l6 l8 
gobugobu [6d\]: it is all about shapes
theolddan [2d\]: its all about getting sente for left side
theolddan [2d\]: c8 might be some sort of sente for b?! then he can block at b14
blurb1: cornel had tough days o-o
gobugobu [6d\]: Shakespeare said the following about this: 'What is in a shape?' A rose by any other shape would smell as swee
gobugobu [6d\]: sweet
theolddan [2d\]: but shakespeare was 30kyu
ndkrempel [?\]: he was strong at othello tho
gobugobu [6d\]: yes! you got it, theolddan. but he knew about shapes
gruen [1k\]: We don't know hwo Shakespear really was.
gobugobu [6d\]: do you know who you reallt are, gruen?
theolddan [2d\]: we all now about beautifull shapes when we see them....
gruen [1k\]: yes I'm a colour
blurb1: when u can kill shape can be as ugly as it wants though
gobugobu [6d\]: well, that is a personal statement if I've ever seen one, blurb
]
;W[jo]
;B[io]
;W[mm]
;B[ln]
;W[lo]C[theolddan [2d\]: the unavoidable sequence is played now with this not so beautifull shape for ww
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, anyway, we now all know the issues
theolddan [2d\]: still who will play left side first i wonder
gobugobu [6d\]: m7 m8 m9 l8 m11 and W o2 
]
;B[lm]
;W[ll]C[blurb1: this doesnt look like early tenuki lol
theolddan [2d\]: should be b but will he really manage this
Goprince [4d\]: m11 at l10
theolddan [2d\]: yes blurb1
]
;B[lk]C[theolddan [2d\]: but in the beginning it was a w group on the run
]
;W[kl]C[theolddan [2d\]: so one expects b to get sente for a big point
Goprince [4d\]: yes
gobugobu [6d\]: correct shape is now m11 
]
;B[mi]C[gobugobu [6d\]: n11 is threatening to play k10 8another vital point) next 
Goprince [4d\]: hard game for w he needs ome magic
blurb1: o2 now?
gobugobu [6d\]: o2 p3 s3 t2 k10 and r7 is almost alive
gobugobu [6d\]: W wants to play q10 quickly because that is so vital too
gobugobu [6d\]: but first o2 
gobugobu [6d\]: OTOH, maybe omitting o2 is a nice psychological trick
theolddan [2d\]: here is the o2 discussion again
]
;W[nr]C[blurb1: solved now^^
theolddan [2d\]: it became sente for sure
gobugobu [6d\]: well, there you go. We started discussing it and Voila, the game-input-guy inputs the data.
gobugobu [6d\]: W now has one eye in sente?
theolddan [2d\]: thats it we see b not even clearly alive
theolddan [2d\]: just because of w getting o2
Goprince [4d\]: clearly alive
]
;B[oq]C[gobugobu [6d\]: I wasn't gonna answer that statement, Goprince
Goprince [4d\]: ah
Goprince [4d\]: my kibits i still too low a level to ignore that
theolddan [2d\]: b never managed to get in a move at q6
gobugobu [6d\]: s3 t2 and later W p1 q1 o1 become sente (however, first W will have to play n4 
theolddan [2d\]: that would have left r3 group with one eye
gobugobu [6d\]: well, theolddan, is W ever gonna play at q6 ?
]
;W[kj]C[theolddan [2d\]: now no
gobugobu [6d\]: so?
]
;B[li]C[gobugobu [6d\]: did that question answer you question?
theolddan [2d\]: s3 is w´s sente
gobugobu [6d\]: you*r*
Goprince [4d\]: s3 l2 , bad exchange
gobugobu [6d\]: why bad?
Goprince [4d\]: exchanging s3 for l2?
gobugobu [6d\]: ic
]
;W[mp]C[gobugobu [6d\]: yes, W may wanna start with l2 
Goprince [4d\]: l2 probly gote
gobugobu [6d\]: n4 clearly makes an eye in sente 
Legendre [-\]: is w l2 sente?
Goprince [4d\]: c14 now i guess
colas [7k\]: b n2 is necessary? 
Legendre [-\]: ah already answeard
theolddan [2d\]: now w s2 sente  as would be t2 later
]
;B[pj]C[Goprince [4d\]: m5 might be losing move.. so greedy
gobugobu [6d\]: as stated clearly a few moves ago, q10 is a vital pnt
gobugobu [6d\]: this is quite nasty
Uberdude [3d?\]: i said that 40 moves ago =)
gobugobu [6d\]: It looks as if the game is over
Goprince [4d\]: yea
hiss [-\]: w all dead?
]
;W[rq]C[Goprince [4d\]: palyable but needs magic
]
;B[sr]C[Goprince [4d\]: did b q6 work?
gobugobu [6d\]: not dead, but q10 makes n11 extremely strong and because of that weakens l8 indirectly
gobugobu [6d\]: so p1 q1 o1 is sente
gobugobu [6d\]: painful for B locally
gobugobu [6d\]: but q10 has global implications
Goprince [4d\]: just living for w here looks hard
meuns [1d\]: w kills ?
theolddan [2d\]: b managed to come out ahead of this fight
gobugobu [6d\]: So, in retrospect I'd say, W o2 was a little overrated and because of this fixation, W cut with  o7 but this gave B good shape with m9 
meuns [1d\]: no no kill
Goprince [4d\]: hard to live
richilue [3k\]: just living allows b sente for the left side 
gobugobu [6d\]: meuns, simply put, there are worse things than dying
blurb1: does q6 live?
]
;W[ro]C[richilue [3k\]: ah  seki 
gobugobu [6d\]: ouch, this is really painful
ndkrempel [?\]: half a seki
Goprince [4d\]: yea
theolddan [2d\]: q6 still sente now? looks so
gobugobu [6d\]: that is Silt's weak and strong point at the same time
Uberdude [3d?\]: so p2 was a good move
Uberdude [3d?\]: pscyological bait :p
gobugobu [6d\]: He can play a painful move comfortably
meuns [1d\]: m3 in bad shape
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, Uberdude, but no
Goprince [4d\]: right timing for l2 or c14?
ndkrempel [?\]: everyone stop suggesting c14, its already taken
theolddan [2d\]: should b play l2 or  j10 now?
gobugobu [6d\]: B could play j10 k10 j11 
meuns [1d\]: (almost a good joke)
Goprince [4d\]: oh lol b14 =/
gobugobu [6d\]: b14 is too low
gobugobu [6d\]: too low and too slow
Goprince [4d\]: lol
theolddan [2d\]: j10 + c8 looks great to me
richilue [3k\]: so   b has sente for left side now   does b play a question first?
Goprince [4d\]: b14 is solid
richilue [3k\]: i like c7
gobugobu [6d\]: if he doesn't W h9 may be interesting
gobugobu [6d\]: this may throw the game into turmoil
theolddan [2d\]: probably w has to anser at d2 if b c8
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, would W be unhappy?
pupukani [1d\]: c8 should be ok whatever w plays
Goprince [4d\]: yea j10 seems very storng
]
;B[dr]C[meuns [1d\]: j10 l4 ?
ndkrempel [?\]: answer at C9?
pupukani [1d\]: i think b d2 is totally wrong direciton
Goprince [4d\]: d9
theolddan [2d\]: this w is not so great 
theolddan [2d\]: this way
theolddan [2d\]: but now b might choose l2 instead of j10
]
;W[os]
;B[ps]C[ndkrempel [?\]: is it important for white to use these ko threats now?
]
;W[ns]
;B[rs]C[gobugobu [6d\]: d2 .... B is playing safely
pupukani [1d\]: shouldn
pupukani [1d\]: t
meuns [1d\]: d2 is huge
gobugobu [6d\]: B wants W c3 c8 c2 - this is better than B c8 W d2 
meuns [1d\]: d4 is floating now
theolddan [2d\]: w almost dead if he answers d2 now
gobugobu [6d\]: d2 is not huge
]
;W[ck]C[gobugobu [6d\]: W will play c9 
gobugobu [6d\]: (and he did)
theolddan [2d\]: b has set up l2 now
gobugobu [6d\]: I think d2 is plain wrong
theolddan [2d\]: l2 is a must now i think
pupukani [1d\]: me too
gobugobu [6d\]: you wanna vote?
theolddan [2d\]: b lost c8 so only l2 makes sense now
pupukani [1d\]: c9 is like a knife to blacks belly
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i vote for pavol lisy
theolddan [2d\]: b can still easily win 
ndkrempel [?\]: l2, then come back to c3?
]
;B[dc]C[theolddan [2d\]: but he needs to use all the moves against o1
]
;W[ec]C[theolddan [2d\]: if w gets l2 then he is alive in one step
ndkrempel [?\]: ah black thinks top corner bigger than bottom corner since otherwise C14 can be wasted
goren2 [3k\]: c26?
goren2 [3k\]: c16?
theolddan [2d\]: also its not small if unanswered
pupukani [1d\]: isnt l2 and h9 miai?
pupukani [1d\]: hmm
Uberdude [3d?\]: c16 c15 
Uberdude [3d?\]: kogo's joseki!
pupukani [1d\]: b j7 is sente so h9 doesnt even work
theolddan [2d\]: h9 does no make sure eye
theolddan [2d\]: and ansering at j9 might be possible
ndkrempel [?\]: E18 more common
theolddan [2d\]: j7 is also sente for b so h9 dangerous
]
;B[ed]
;W[de]C[Javaness [3d\]: kogo style
Prodigious [3d?\]: haha, i had a look at that kogo's joseki
Prodigious [3d?\]: what on earth is that
theolddan [2d\]: but i bet (well without any money of course!) that w will get l2 later......
goren2 [3k\]: what are they on kgs?
theolddan [2d\]: b looks for a way to loose
Uberdude [3d?\]: i once did that kogos joseki
Uberdude [3d?\]: and i made it work!
goren2 [3k\]: what are their nicks on kgs?
]
;B[eb]C[ndkrempel [?\]: e16 looks not so good
Javaness [3d\]: danek doesn't play on KGS
ndkrempel [?\]: should have been e18 directly
Uberdude [3d?\]: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=108012#p108012
Uberdude [3d?\]: is another cool joseki from kogos
Javaness [3d\]: why does nobody ever correct those? :)
Uberdude [3d?\]: to troll joseki slaves
pupukani [1d\]: who is this kogo ? should we trust his josekipedia?
AroundOneD [2d\]: f17
]
;W[fc]C[Javaness [3d\]: kogo is a strong professional
]
;B[cc]
;W[fb]
;B[bd]
;W[ce]C[theolddan [2d\]: the one who plays l2 will win
Uberdude [3d?\]: anyway, i'm going to go to the park and run around in a vain attempt to kick a ball inthe direction i want
pupukani [1d\]: there was a joseki there once where he asked for somebodys help for a punishment
Henko [?\]: ...lol
AroundOneD [2d\]: I feel f18 is better than c17
]
;B[bb]
;W[db]
;B[cb]
;W[ea]
;B[ad]
;W[ni]
;B[jh]C[theolddan [2d\]: now w plays l2 (and wins?)
]
;W[ji]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: j10
]
;B[ii]
;W[ij]
;B[ki]
;W[jj]
;B[hi]
;W[hj]C[gobugobu [6d\]: geez, I went for some groceries and see what happens...
meuns [1d\]: b+ ?
]
;B[gi]C[gobugobu [6d\]: W looks unbeatable now
]
;W[cq]
;B[kr]C[theolddan [2d\]: b b got l2
gobugobu [6d\]: why now c3 at l2 ?
gobugobu [6d\]: Because maybe W was thinking after c3, he could play at k2 
Feanor [1d\]: maybe it's not needed for life?
meuns [1d\]: sequence ?
gobugobu [6d\]: that was an interesting thought...
theolddan [2d\]: d2 was slack
animen08 [4k\]: I think w asks himself the same question now...
gobugobu [6d\]: that's what I said
theolddan [2d\]: and the play at d17 was also not good
meuns [1d\]: gooooobuuuu ! please give me a sequence for k2
gobugobu [6d\]: what? you want me to explain art?
AroundOneD [2d\]: b is winning
gobugobu [6d\]: B is still a little ahead but not much
meuns [1d\]: hehe
]
;W[lr]
;B[dk]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: b will gain from this attack
theolddan [2d\]: but will it be enough?
gobugobu [6d\]: anyway ok... W k2 right? k2 l2 j2 l3 m2 l1 j4 j3 h4 h3 g4........ or 
meuns [1d\]: hehe
gobugobu [6d\]: k2 l2 j2 l3 m2 l1 h4 j4 g2 f2 g4 
Arhiman [3d\]: with moves like d9, it doesn't seem he aims for points in this attack...
]
;W[cl]C[meuns [1d\]: humm
gobugobu [6d\]: well B j7 is sente
AroundOneD [2d\]: when ready, l4 starts to kill
meuns [1d\]: i see
gobugobu [6d\]: so how about b l4 ?
AroundOneD [2d\]: j7
]
;B[cj]C[gobugobu [6d\]: after B l4, is n3 always an eye?
Arhiman [3d\]: yes
rosi [4d\]: e16  isn't dead yet
gobugobu [6d\]: anybody says no?
rosi [4d\]: not always
gobugobu [6d\]: ok, rosi give me a sequence?
Feanor [1d\]: not if w makes a mistake or tenuki
]
;W[gj]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: w has an eye
rosi [4d\]: m1 n1 n3 l1 m4 
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, I agree
rosi [4d\]: but very bad aji outside
]
;B[fi]C[gobugobu [6d\]: right, but rosi that sequence is wrong.... Why?
Arhiman [3d\]: :)
ndkrempel [?\]: n1 was mistake
]
;W[bj]C[ndkrempel [?\]: obviously at m4
meuns [1d\]: amost sure n1 sucks
gobugobu [6d\]: right
meuns [1d\]: m1 l4 
gobugobu [6d\]: m1 m4 n2 n3 
]
;B[bi]C[meuns [1d\]: yes and black is short
gobugobu [6d\]: no meuns, no rule-bending.... I gave the position B l4 after that is n3 always an eye
Feanor [1d\]: and also cannot prevent an eye
meuns [1d\]: lol
gobugobu [6d\]: B is clearly trying to kill g10 \]
AroundOneD [2d\]: d9 surprising, c8 better?
Feanor [1d\]: trying to cut off d15 maybe?
gobugobu [6d\]: no and no, around
gobugobu [6d\]: probably
Javaness [3d\]: hi
Javaness [3d\]: i want to kill your stones
AroundOneD [2d\]: b either gets side or seel side to kill w ctr
meuns [1d\]: javaness wants to fight gobu ?
blurb1: how much time they have left?
AroundOneD [2d\]: seals
Feanor [1d\]: no java, the stones are already dead
gobugobu [6d\]: right, are you gonna throw the first stone, Javaness?
gobugobu [6d\]: geez, this is already the 3rd bible reference today
Javaness [3d\]: i spoke of mr Hora
Arhiman [3d\]: this should be forbidden
]
;W[gl]C[Javaness [3d\]: F16 for fun
gobugobu [6d\]: You spoke of Mr Hora? was he bespoken?
]
;B[bk]
;W[dj]
;B[ci]C[gobugobu [6d\]: This looks ok for both
go1d [7d\]: g4 
gobugobu [6d\]: it's actually reaosnable
theolddan [2d\]: g8  is an error i guess because b had j7 and f9
gobugobu [6d\]: yes g4 is interesting now
]
;W[ff]C[gobugobu [6d\]: B j7 is mostly sente, but if the timing is wrong....
]
;B[bl]
;W[dl]C[Brno2012EC [-\]: w in byoyomi (3x30s), b 3 minutes left
meuns [1d\]: b+
murrmurr [6d?\]: black gets lots of profit here
gobugobu [6d\]: Yes, I think so
blurb1: tx
Werfeus [4d\]: go Hora!
]
;B[gm]C[gobugobu [6d\]: b8 is so huge
Javaness [3d\]: b8 is just a coordinate
murrmurr [6d?\]: it's a big coordinate. much bigger than a1
whuang [3d\]: Wow
theolddan [2d\]: now i would say if b gets in q6 he will win
meuns [1d\]: no troll admin !
]
;W[kf]C[Feanor [1d\]: come on, javaness is a famous troll
]
;B[ge]C[Arhiman [3d\]: who's cussix ?
Javaness [3d\]: i expected K13
]
;W[fe]C[inte [?\]: that's not a troll, that's a squirrel
murrmurr [6d?\]: k13 is horribly passive
]
;B[kg]
;W[je]C[Feanor [1d\]: it's a trolling squirrel
]
;B[ie]
;W[if]C[Feanor [1d\]: which reminds me of the trolling saruman vid
meuns [1d\]: haha
AroundOneD [2d\]: j14 meaning less
Feanor [1d\]: less than what?
AroundOneD [2d\]: h14 of cause
]
;B[gd]C[theolddan [2d\]: w wants to steal b q6 by connecting o11
]
;W[fd]
;B[jg]
;W[qb]C[theolddan [2d\]: now q6?
gobugobu [6d\]: But W forgot to play g4 
meuns [1d\]: b7 ?
gobugobu [6d\]: W is behind now
Brno2012EC [-\]: b has byoyomi too
]
;B[fl]C[gobugobu [6d\]: So he should be attacking and be a little unreasonable
]
;W[ek]
;B[fj]C[gobugobu [6d\]: I can coach him (I know everything about being unreasonable)
Feanor [1d\]: silt should be good at that :)
gobugobu [6d\]: f10 urges W to live
]
;W[fp]C[gobugobu [6d\]: Next, B will play b7 
theolddan [2d\]: now kill?
meuns [1d\]: b7 rocks
Idn [2d\]: ???
]
;B[gq]C[gobugobu [6d\]: if you feel like killing, sure
Idn [2d\]: l4?
theolddan [2d\]: cant see life after l4
]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]C[gobugobu [6d\]: why does the go player play go?
meuns [1d\]: time to waste
Arhiman [3d\]: what would he do instead
]
;W[il]C[theolddan [2d\]: f4 helps defending against b7
gobugobu [6d\]: h9 is possible now 
Idn [2d\]: to wait the next episode of smallville
Arhiman [3d\]: smallville ?
Arhiman [3d\]: dude...
]
;B[cr]
;W[bm]C[meuns [1d\]: Idn is such a werdo
Idn [2d\]: or charmed
]
;B[rb]C[theolddan [2d\]: q6 very big still
]
;W[oh]C[gobugobu [6d\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville
theolddan [2d\]: w wants to connect
theolddan [2d\]: here he tries
]
;B[ph]C[meuns [1d\]: NO OUTRRAGEOUS LINK GOBU
Feanor [1d\]: no caps talk pls kthxbye
gobugobu [6d\]: I'm sorry to disappoint
]
;W[pc]
;B[qd]
;W[ic]C[meuns [1d\]: b always slighly ahead ?
gobugobu [6d\]: o16 n16 p17 p18 p16 
]
;B[br]C[theolddan [2d\]: now p13 reaanimates q6
gobugobu [6d\]: b2 is painful for W
Backflash [6k\]: wow white
]
;W[bq]
;B[bf]C[Backflash [6k\]: thought it would end a bit better
]
;W[ra]C[gobugobu [6d\]: B is ahead by about 5 pts
Feanor [1d\]: still a game then
]
;B[im]C[gobugobu [6d\]: But I wanted b3 at c13 or b13 
]
;W[pn]C[Arhiman [3d\]: bam
theolddan [2d\]: really?
]
;B[hk]C[Arhiman [3d\]: nice exchange :)
]
;W[kp]C[theolddan [2d\]: q6 went away?
ndkrempel [?\]: that cost b a bit
]
;B[ok]C[ndkrempel [?\]: better play q6?
]
;W[og]C[theolddan [2d\]: p13 before as i said
]
;B[pg]C[meuns [1d\]: p16
]
;W[rc]C[gobugobu [6d\]: B never played o16 
animen08 [4k\]: why not l3?
gobugobu [6d\]: s17 is big but dangerous
Feanor [1d\]: l3 is not needed yet
]
;B[sd]C[animen08 [4k\]: sorry stupid question
]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[sb]C[Arhiman [3d\]: at last one corner
meuns [1d\]: p12 seems disconnected
gobugobu [6d\]: no stupid questions... only stupid answers
theolddan [2d\]: w will have to take o16 sente now
]
;B[nd]C[gobugobu [6d\]: So B is trying to disconnect p12 now
]
;W[md]C[theolddan [2d\]: yes
theolddan [2d\]: n15 now?
Feanor [1d\]: since p9, I think
Arhiman [3d\]: no way he would be so mean !
]
;B[me]C[gobugobu [6d\]: be careful, theolddan
]
;W[od]C[gobugobu [6d\]: 'yes' can be a stupid answer
]
;B[ne]C[ix7 [3k?\]: q8 
gobugobu [6d\]: p15 p14 n13 ?
meuns [1d\]: we need to speak about your dealer gobu
theolddan [2d\]: thanks gobugobu for caring
]
;W[oe]
;B[of]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: b sees o8
Arhiman [3d\]: time for connection
gobugobu [6d\]: OK, meuns, you want a formal introduction?
]
;W[nl]C[meuns [1d\]: if you mean hugs, it's ok
gobugobu [6d\]: His normal introduction is shooting first
Elitios [?\]: q8 sente now right?
]
;B[pl]C[meuns [1d\]: quite bloody introduction
gobugobu [6d\]: But as long as he aims, you should be ok
]
;W[pm]C[Feanor [1d\]: obviously it's sente
Arhiman [3d\]: that's what she said
gobugobu [6d\]: He is only dangerous when he doesnt aim at you
]
;B[gf]C[meuns [1d\]: dangerous dude
gobugobu [6d\]: why not at n13 first?
]
;W[eq]C[gobugobu [6d\]: or at m13 ?
]
;B[er]C[meuns [1d\]: A2 ?
]
;W[ae]C[sinnensis [8k\]: l6
Feanor [1d\]: count, anyone?
meuns [1d\]: black must answer
gobugobu [6d\]: a2 is not on the Wanted List yet
]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]C[meuns [1d\]: but without a2, d3 is terrihuge
]
;B[gp]C[OsoAgonar [?\]: black is winning right?
OsoAgonar [?\]: 8 points?
]
;W[fo]C[Backflash [6k\]: looks like it, not sure aobut 8 pts though
AroundOneD [2d\]: a3
]
;B[dq]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: a2
meuns [1d\]: b+
ndkrempel [?\]: C4?
]
;W[ep]C[Vandalis [-\]: yes
Vandalis [-\]: think so too
gobugobu [6d\]: a3 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: we're all too fancy for 6
Warfreak2 [4d\]: 6d
]
;B[bo]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: wut
meuns [1d\]: ouchy
OsoAgonar [?\]: l3l
Arhiman [3d\]: c4 to make it explode ?
]
;W[bp]C[meuns [1d\]: where is the trap ?
firsey [1k\]: a5 ?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a5 i guess, but a8's atari
]
;B[en]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: oh, b dreams of killing
]
;W[em]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: sente become gote
]
;B[fn]C[theolddan [2d\]: loosing some points in other words
Javaness [3d\]: freedom is slavery
meuns [1d\]: deep statement
Arhiman [3d\]: b 56 ?
]
;W[dn]C[Vandalis [-\]: necessity is creativity ?
Illyria [?\]: war is peace, javaness
gobugobu [6d\]: well only if you are a aware of it. that is why the Matrix is such a great movie
Warfreak2 [4d\]: ignorance is stong
meuns [1d\]: dumb and happy
Javaness [3d\]: i hated the sequels to the matrix
]
;B[co]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: i thought the matrix was a great movie because of keanu reeves
gobugobu [6d\]: yes, the sequels where bad.
Idn [2d\]: a5
Arhiman [3d\]: w 45 ?
Caode [11k\]: What sequels.
Vandalis [-\]: Vandal and generous
Backflash [6k\]: give me 5 bucks
Javaness [3d\]: the Matrix reheated
meuns [1d\]: you a girl warfreak ?
Javaness [3d\]: and there was another one too
]
;W[ao]C[gobugobu [6d\]: so B wants c4 a3 a4 d5 e5 g5 
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what
Javaness [3d\]: why didn't black just play A2
]
;B[an]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: simplly a3 so good
gobugobu [6d\]: because then d5 e5 g5 c4 a4 
meuns [1d\]: there is some sexy stuff here
Backflash [6k\]: b has grander plans
gnarf [1k\]: could not resist fakesuji?
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i am not a girl, not usually
]
;W[cp]C[meuns [1d\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what kind of a silly question is that
gobugobu [6d\]: W just got stuck
]
;B[ap]C[OsoAgonar [?\]: resing
meuns [1d\]: very cute moves
Javaness [3d\]: hi, are these your eyes?
theolddan [2d\]: doesnt look good for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: a3 ok
Warfreak2 [4d\]: looks fine
AroundOneD [2d\]: hmm
]
;W[no]C[theolddan [2d\]: b5 was unreasonable
Javaness [3d\]: nice atari
meuns [1d\]: lol
meuns [1d\]: byo
Javaness [3d\]: how about ignore?
Arhiman [3d\]: what kind of timesuji is that ?
gobugobu [6d\]: I am sure B is heavily confused
]
;B[do]C[theolddan [2d\]: but become  success
Javaness [3d\]: resign
Warfreak2 [4d\]: what happen
mobolt [4d\]: ??
Vandalis [-\]: strange happening
]
;W[op]
;B[pr]C[gobugobu [6d\]: W can now blame it on the Un-hand of od
gobugobu [6d\]: God
mobolt [4d\]: timesuji fail?
Caode [11k\]: somebody set up white the bomb. o_o
Javaness [3d\]: poor Danek
OsoAgonar [?\]: totally fail xD
inte [?\]: the paw of dog
Arhiman [3d\]: f7 ?
]
;W[fm]C[AroundOneD [2d\]: f7
Elitios [?\]: g5
Vandalis [-\]: e5
meuns [1d\]: white is smoked
Pig [?\]: Danek?
gobugobu [6d\]: W manages to live
Arhiman [3d\]: still bad
Welvang [-\]: o5 was clearly a bad move
gobugobu [6d\]: but if it had to hurt su much to live, death might be preferable
]
;B[gn]
;W[di]C[murrmurr [6d?\]: i look away for a moment and this happens
meuns [1d\]: white should resign
]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]C[Javaness [3d\]: danek master will not resign
]
;B[dg]C[OsoAgonar [?\]: B has a 25 point lead
OsoAgonar [?\]: at least
gobugobu [6d\]: I am sure he is struggling with that very issue, meuns
]
;W[bn]C[theolddan [2d\]: and b now has still the ko
meuns [1d\]: he made a good game anyway
Pig [?\]: why do you speak all the time about Danek? :)
Vandalis [-\]: King is dead, congratulations to the king
]
;B[eo]C[gobugobu [6d\]: Danek is his GF
Pig [?\]: ok, ic :)
Arhiman [3d\]: a go player with a gf ? stop trolling please
]
;W[eg]C[Backflash [6k\]: hm, isn't Danek man's name?
gobugobu [6d\]: actually he is married
Arhiman [3d\]: oh that makes sense then
mobolt [4d\]: its a surname, i believe they are not gender specific
AroundOneD [2d\]: a7
]
;B[am]C[OsoAgonar [?\]: so
OsoAgonar [?\]: jan wins the tournament?
HappyLook [5d\]: o5 should be at f7 ...
gobugobu [6d\]: I wanna see a14 a13 b13 a12 a10 a8 b12 
Javaness [3d\]: massive tiebreak to see who wins
Brno2012EC [-\]: B+R
Backflash [6k\]: thx
Brno2012EC [-\]: thanks for watching
Javaness [3d\]: nice work Jan
meuns [1d\]: not strugling a lot ^^
ndkrempel [?\]: w D6 would have been better at C5
Pig [?\]: thanks
Javaness [3d\]: thanks for displaying the game
Javaness [3d\]: Any idea who will win the tournament?
meuns [1d\]: it was a good one
blurb1: u have other results, too?
])