(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Cup Brno 2012]PW[Tomas Kozelek]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[4d]BR[6d]DT[2012-09-07]EV[European Go Cup Brno 2012]RO[1]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Pulcik]C[Nilatarion [3d\]: Tomas!!
Brno2012EC [-\]: welcome. players are here...
VertuH [?\]: Thank you
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;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[cd]
;W[pp]
;B[jd]
;W[jp]
;B[pj]
;W[dg]
;B[de]C[Cymatics [2d?\]: any pairings?
Feanor [1d\]: silt!
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;W[dj]C[leachy [2k\]: who are the players?
bert [3d\]: mmmm, white sanrensei
leachy [2k\]: Ondrej Silt plays which stones?
Feanor [1d\]: well... b is one of the top czech and eu players
Feanor [1d\]: black
Brno2012EC [-\]: pairing will be soon
leachy [2k\]: and w is?
SlySheep [1d\]: black is the european champion 2012
Feanor [1d\]: I don't know him
pancake [-\]: he is not, slysheep
Zeta1 [1d\]: ?
SlySheep [1d\]: ah no
SlySheep [1d\]: taht was jan simara^^
bert [3d\]: kozelek means a little goat, i believe
pancake [-\]: :)
leachy [2k\]: name?
SlySheep [1d\]: anyway... all czechs are the same^^
Marianna: what do you mean exactly by ..are the same?
bert [3d\]: franz kafka was all czech
Egg [10k\]: k10 
leachy [2k\]: that would explain why he wrote in German
bert [3d\]: heh
seku [2k\]: marianna where are you from?
bert [3d\]: r6 or c6  i guess
Marianna: yes Kafka was Czech but he wrote in German language :-)
Marianna: I am from The Earth 
seku [2k\]: okay, so youre finnish
bert [3d\]: kafka wrote in german and was a jew, that is what i meant with he was all czech
SlySheep [1d\]: omg
SlySheep [1d\]: with are all the same... i meant strong like hell
Egg [10k\]: hell isn't very strong
bert [3d\]: :-),  you are smart
Marianna: it does not mean I am Finnish when I have a finnish IP adress
seku [2k\]: i didnt know your ip
Brno2012EC [-\]: pairing top group (in czech): http://www.egoban.cz/archives/12784
joelw [12k\]: it doesn't mean she's finnish when she gives you a finnish phone #
seku [2k\]: yes, yes, thats what ive always said
seku [2k\]: =)
Marianna: Interesting because I have connection to internet in Finland :-)
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;B[qn]C[Seimeitaek [2k\]: chou kou
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;W[jj]
;B[cq]C[Marianna: But I am sitting now about 2000 km far from Finland :-) 
joelw [12k\]: those came out quicker
Egg [10k\]: that corner is probably gonna be black
seku [2k\]: if this were tygem i would bet on black
erestor [2k\]: any opinions on white K10?
rar [2k\]: how it works betting on tygem ?
leachy [2k\]: tengen was weird
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;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[co]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]C[seku [2k\]: you bet toy-money and get toy-money if you win.
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;W[cm]C[Feanor [1d\]: tengen is never weird
bert [3d\]: slow, imho
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;B[dr]
;W[er]C[Feanor [1d\]: it's always awesome
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;B[cr]
;W[fq]
;B[nq]C[erestor [2k\]: cheers (i'd just O4 instead.. :))
Honeyboo [15k\]: especially as first move :3
leachy [2k\]: yes definitely slow looking...w looks on back foot now
Catlemur [12k\]: weird game
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;W[oo]C[SlySheep [1d\]: it looks black already won 
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;B[pr]C[bert [3d\]: m3 
joelw [12k\]: n4
FreshTooth [3d\]: n3
FreshTooth [3d\]: maybe q7
gnarf [1k\]: q2 interesting
Egg [10k\]: m3 does not work well with the kosumi 
VertuH [?\]: Q7 might work better than N3, but W in bad spot here.
leachy [2k\]: m3 or n3 seems only consistent moves but then b r3 needed so why not b r3 first 
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;W[mp]
;B[mq]
;W[lp]C[FreshTooth [3d\]: that's quite ugly
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;B[qq]C[FreshTooth [3d\]: p17 maybe
Blitzbold [2k\]: p18 area?
Blitzbold [2k\]: too slow ^^
FreshTooth [3d\]: slow?
Catlemur [12k\]: Are there giant gaps between both of the player's stones or I am too unexperienced?
Olgast [8k\]: P16
Blitzbold [2k\]: you typed quicker
leachy [2k\]: I mean n3 is kind of a self pincer
sidebar: first person ta loss gets icecream
FreshTooth [3d\]: p17/r17
Marianna: Now only a miracle can help to w. He has to invade to b's area and to stay alive. But it will be very hard against Ondrej.  
joelw [12k\]: q7
Blitzbold [2k\]: w has big mojo - b may make even bigger one...
bert [3d\]: invasion should not be a prob yet
Olgast [8k\]: q7 is not important right now
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;W[od]
;B[mc]C[SlySheep [1d\]: w moyo is small not big
Olgast [8k\]: q14
SlySheep [1d\]: it is his only territory and max. 50 points worth
sidebar: cant disapprove an 4dan or higher
sidebar: guys are cool headed
SlySheep [1d\]: ofc you can disapprove^^
leachy [2k\]: w thickness not so useful and tengen looks pretty silly
sidebar: hikaru played tengen... great move
frozensoul [5d\]: yes but black opened 5-5 theres ur difference xD
Honeyboo [15k\]: yea after 5-5.. there was no 5-5
SlySheep [1d\]: most of the time it iis a crappy move^^
leachy [2k\]: so what is tengen here? an extension?
sidebar: now the enge may need help
frozensoul [5d\]: if u want to know about tengen ask battousai ;D 
sidebar: its ah play on the middle of the board
SlySheep [1d\]: oh yeah he has a special place for tengen in his heart lol....^^
Egg [10k\]: tengen is probably the ideal opening, it is just that the variations are too complex for humans to grasp
leachy [2k\]: r15
sidebar: lol
joelw [12k\]: b is about to take 4 corners...doesn't that mean he loses the game?
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;W[md]
;B[ld]
;W[me]
;B[nc]
;W[oc]C[SlySheep [1d\]: no tengen is probably always a crappy opening
SlySheep [1d\]: just sometimes humans fail to punish
sidebar: hikaru played tengen...!
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;B[pf]
;W[lc]C[SlySheep [1d\]: hikaru is not even a real person^^
SlySheep [1d\]: it is an anime character^^
Honeyboo [15k\]: yea hes not real. not like sai :3
sidebar: and is still the greatest... after me
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;B[lb]C[Egg [10k\]: nice cut, black has to choose
VertuH [?\]: Tengen is an even worse move here where the opponent all ready has a sonte on each side. you would just be setting up for fail
sidebar: so... ta me hes ah inspirayshin
svf3v4: black is in a hard situation, if he gets this fourth corner he is lost
VertuH [?\]: l
Feanor [1d\]: only in handi game, svf
VertuH [?\]: Lol. yes. automatic loss if you have all 4 corners.
Feanor [1d\]: so not a problem
sidebar: hes almost got as good as sai in 2 years
sidebar: when they start showing games of this level... seems different somehow
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;W[ec]C[tuyi [3d\]: if i'm white i try to close my big moyo with n9 for example
VertuH [?\]: I think thats too slow personaly. 
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;B[dc]
;W[ed]
;B[ee]C[Suteishi [5d?\]: E17 can't be good
therookie [-\]: m17 is captured?
sidebar: kuro playing ah teaching game
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;W[kc]
;B[kb]C[SlySheep [1d\]: squeezze
Olgast [8k\]: what purpose is L17?
joelw [12k\]: doesn't look like it harms much
SlySheep [1d\]: probably wants a move h17 in sente
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;W[hc]
;B[jc]
;W[he]C[Egg [10k\]: white uses it to live on the left, but the right suffers
Liso66 [?\]: women are also playing? there is not pairing on egoban...
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;B[nd]C[seku [2k\]: do women have their own games?
sidebar: yeah sadly they cant make it pass 6dan
Olgast [8k\]: they play together with men
SlySheep [1d\]: women are bad at go...they should rather cook for the men
Liso66 [?\]: european championship for women
therookie [-\]: yes
SlySheep [1d\]: (jk)
VertuH [?\]: you guys are being very sexist and rude. Either stop the conversation or leave.
Brno2012EC [-\]: Liso: Unfortunately, women are playing in another room and started later :(
Blitzbold [2k\]: pssst - they can hear you
seku [2k\]: vertuh dont be so serious
sidebar: lol
seku [2k\]: my wife cooks me too
seku [2k\]: :D
therookie [-\]: Brno2012EC are they hot?
Egg [10k\]: the meals ?
HelloQtion [-\]: o16 seems realy painful
Blitzbold [2k\]: this goes too far rookie!
therookie [-\]: why :O
sidebar: somebody take da middle already
SlySheep [1d\]: hm can white get a ko there?
seku [2k\]: da is russian for yes
sidebar: white should lay down two stones at ah time
HelloQtion [-\]: Where do you see a ko ?
Liso66 [?\]: very hot! see video https://sites.google.com/site/ewgc2012brno/ :D
Brno2012EC [-\]: Liso: we have to wait until the judge sends me the pairing EWGC
joelw [12k\]: q15
SlySheep [1d\]: o15 p15 p18 n18 s17 ?
Egg [10k\]: doubt that white has still a chance, the center is far too open
Suteishi [-\]: time left on players?
fdsfds: q15 ?
sidebar: dis ah stalemeat
Brno2012EC [-\]: b 57 minutes left, w 49 min.
Suteishi [-\]: thanks
sidebar: you kno we can play doubles on here... 
seku [2k\]: what is placement criterion mm?
sidebar: no kon
seku [2k\]: what?
sidebar: kno
erestor [2k\]: Sly, b can R18 after P18, then N18, L16?
seku [2k\]: is that an answer?
kmr [1k\]: black almost have 4 corners....
Suteishi [-\]: W can think all he wants, but theres no way out of this nicely
Suteishi [-\]: thats the cost of E17
Liso66 [?\]: btw link to video is not xxx ! It is video propagation from organisers! Pls see it and tell your comment! :) 
Brno2012EC [-\]: seku: placement criteria - MM, SOS, SOSOS
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;W[oe]
;B[ne]
;W[of]
;B[pg]C[sidebar: what you tom bout lisa
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;W[nf]C[Feanor [1d\]: cut
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;B[mf]C[Feanor [1d\]: cut first, think later
Honeyboo [15k\]: i like it coz they are playing with candy. id play with steak or something similar but candy is nice
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;W[le]
;B[ke]
;W[lf]
;B[mg]C[Suteishi [-\]: m15 overplay
Feanor [1d\]: white can pretty much resign now
SlySheep [1d\]: he can also continue and fail miserably^^
sidebar: lol.. no funny
HelloQtion [-\]: may he missread smthg
sidebar: Go Go white
sidebar: he just stalking his pray
Idn [2d\]: n18 
SlySheep [1d\]: w can probably live in the corner with the double hane but it wont be enough
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;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[mh]
;B[lg]C[Marianna: double hane where?
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;W[kf]
;B[jf]C[Suteishi [-\]: he means r17 s17 s18 
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;W[kg]
;B[lh]C[SlySheep [1d\]: yes
Feanor [1d\]: white is trying hard to kill p16 stones
Marianna: I see thanks
Suteishi [-\]: but hey, at least tengen is of some use now
SlySheep [1d\]: right..
zoltan [?\]: Is this a live feed or such?
SlySheep [1d\]: aye
Brno2012EC [-\]: so pairing EWGC is here: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2012/zeny1.txt (first player is white)
zoltan [?\]: Tx.
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;W[jg]
;B[nh]C[SlySheep [1d\]: sai is in the women's tournament!
Honeyboo [15k\]: hu? shusaku? hikaru? 
SlySheep [1d\]: Pocsai at least^^
]
;W[ob]C[Honeyboo [15k\]: ^^
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;B[ma]C[Brno2012EC [-\]: main tournament is here: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2012/pair1.txt
alfi [3k\]: r14
alfi [3k\]: 15
seku [2k\]: is the other white group infallible?
bert [3d\]: this seems will be over soon
Ukasuhs [6d?\]: what do u mean by infallible?
seku [2k\]: is it in any danger
svgo [1k\]: will any other games be relayed on KGS?
alfi [3k\]: after j 13 y
seku [2k\]: like, can black pressure it to get better access to white's moyo or something :D
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;W[oi]
;B[og]C[bert [3d\]: though maybe w can live atop due to n19
]
;W[ng]
;B[mi]
;W[ni]
;B[mh]C[bert [3d\]: s17 r17 r18 q18 q17 s18 q19 s19 t18 s16 o19 
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;W[ok]
;B[mk]C[alfi [3k\]: so s17 live ?
bert [3d\]: i am not sure, but it is worth trying
Brno2012EC [-\]: svgo: I hope that tomorrow I will broadcast two games.
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;W[nk]
;B[ml]C[SlySheep [1d\]: i think black overplayed here
bert [3d\]: b looks great here
alfi [3k\]: m10, n10, r 15
Marianna: Now b will reduce w's moyo and after that he will live in the centre or will kill p18 or p9
SlySheep [1d\]: why is black great? when, w plays s17 he can live
]
;W[rc]
;B[qc]C[SlySheep [1d\]: so this black becomes a floating group
]
;W[qb]C[Zuzia [2d\]: p9 dies
Welvang [-\]: but p7 will be very painful
bert [3d\]: yeah, b doesnt need to kill p18
Olgast [8k\]: q18
Marianna: w's life in the corner is not important. He might has 3 points there.
alfi [3k\]: s 18
bert [3d\]: s16 s18 p7 
ix7 [3k?\]: r16
therookie [-\]: s18 doesnt work
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;B[pb]C[Blubbel [3d\]: w's life in corner is not important?
Blitzbold [2k\]: of course it is
Blubbel [3d\]: that means about 35-40 pts difference
Indig0 [3k\]: s19
bert [3d\]: but it is not enough and likely to be gote
Marianna: W's live is only question if b wins about 20 or 50 points
Olgast [8k\]: s19 t 18
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;W[pc]
;B[rb]
;W[pa]
;B[rd]C[therookie [-\]: gote :D
Indig0 [3k\]: o18
EricM [3d\]: o19
Cymatics [1d?\]: w is happy
]
;W[ra]C[wolokom [4k\]: more then 10 stones and only two points and now dead?
therookie [-\]: is not dead
EricM [3d\]: p7
Cymatics [1d?\]: but only gote
ix7 [3k?\]: alive
therookie [-\]: is alive
ix7 [3k?\]: o19
bert [3d\]: well, happy to live, but losing badly
wolokom [4k\]: yes 
Indig0 [3k\]: b p7 now
HelloQtion [-\]: t18 first seems ok
therookie [-\]: yes
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;B[sb]C[Olgast [8k\]: o18
Feanor [1d\]: o19 p7 
Olgast [8k\]: if black o19 w n18
SlySheep [1d\]: o19
]
;W[na]C[HelloQtion [-\]: o19 n18 o18 p7
]
;B[mb]
;W[nb]C[bert [3d\]: the ul corner invasion was allways feasible, so all the development towards center can be judged as w failure
]
;B[om]C[wolokom [4k\]: au
bert [3d\]: upper right* corner
wolokom [4k\]: w can surrender
SlySheep [1d\]: dont judge!
wolokom [4k\]: right?
HelloQtion [-\]: that right side is bigger than the center
]
;W[if]C[SlySheep [1d\]: slow
Marianna: K8?
SlySheep [1d\]: b lives there
]
;B[mn]
;W[je]
;B[kd]C[therookie [-\]: is  o4 important now?
]
;W[pi]
;B[qi]
;W[qj]
;B[qk]C[wolokom [4k\]: nice dan move
EricM [3d\]: resign soon
wolokom [4k\]: i think this too
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;W[pe]C[EricM [3d\]: s13...
]
;B[rg]
;W[rf]C[tuyi [3d\]: s12 
tuyi [3d\]: yep it works for white
]
;B[qe]C[tuyi [3d\]: or not
Olgast [8k\]: r12
wolokom [4k\]: this is not 
EricM [3d\]: resign is best
tuyi [3d\]: maybe s 10
HelloQtion [-\]: s10 s11 
tuyi [3d\]: s10 s11 q9 r8 q7?
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;W[rj]
;B[ri]C[HelloQtion [-\]: q9 s9 i would play
bert [3d\]: r8 is not mandatory
Anaguma [?\]: this looks like a kyu game
]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]C[bert [3d\]: this is last desperate attempts
seku [2k\]: you're a kyu too, so why do you say that
Anaguma [?\]: well, i was just thinking it looks like one of my games :-)
tuyi [3d\]: maybe possible to cut n10 with ko
seku [2k\]: you know why we are kyus anaguma. I have a theory on this.
seku [2k\]: we cannot make distinction between dan and kyu games. If we could, then we would be dans already.
seku [2k\]: *takes his yoda-position*
Anaguma [?\]: well, I've been dan, but found that I prefer to be kyu, less pressure this way
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;W[jm]
;B[np]C[the42 [4k\]: yoda was definitely a dan.
seku [2k\]: i see, i see
Brno2012EC [-\]: B+R
seku [2k\]: but im no yoda. I just impersonate yoda
Brno2012EC [-\]: thanks for watching
bert [3d\]: thx
EricM [3d\]: thank you
HelloQtion [-\]: Thank you for review
Brno2012EC [-\]: see you tomorrow ;)
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