(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[3x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Cup Brno 2012]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Jan Simara]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-09-09]EV[European Go Cup Brno 2012]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Pulcik]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pp]
;W[dc]
;B[de]C[Feanor [1d\]: oooh, silt vs simara...
Liso66 [?\]: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2012/pair5.txt 
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;W[ce]
;B[cf]
;W[cd]
;B[dg]
;W[fc]
;B[cj]C[Feanor [1d\]: huh, simara won vs both balogh and csaba
]
;W[qn]C[voloplaja: I am not up to date with joseki. Is c10 nowadays a joseki? Used to be c9.
]
;B[qk]C[entropper [2d\]: I think it is just B's choice not to let W play c7 in sente
entropper [2d\]: now W c8 can be ignored
]
;W[np]
;B[pn]C[voloplaja: is this b's invention or is it taken from pro games?
]
;W[qq]C[Werfeus [4d\]: pros play it too
entropper [2d\]: no idea but I've seen it in many games
voloplaja: ok, thx
Liso66 [?\]: half point against balogh
saru411 [?\]: c10 needs no responce when W c8 
saru411 [?\]: they are both joseki
ennuistic [2d\]: if you were going to play c10, why choose d13?
cwilliams [5k\]: what should b do here
moro123 [1k\]: r5 maybe?
ennuistic [2d\]: choices are r5 and o3
saru411 [?\]: o3?
cwilliams [5k\]: r5 seems to make it too easy for w
ennuistic [2d\]: r5 is the usual, ofc.
Goreon [2d\]: r5 q3 s6 joseki
ennuistic [2d\]: black also played c10 though, so i'm not sure.
SlySheep [1d\]: q3 is another joseki but the direction looks wrong
moro123 [1k\]: yea I dont like q3, so he will probably play it
Goreon [2d\]: q3 gives 2 or three standard seqs
SlySheep [1d\]: q3 q7 p6 r4 r7 s7 r8 r5 q5 ?
]
;B[pq]C[moro123 [1k\]: q3 r4 r5 s5 q5 s7
]
;W[qp]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[po]
;W[rm]
;B[qm]
;W[rn]C[ennuistic [2d\]: looks hoorrible for black.
SlySheep [1d\]: wah he really played s7 :S now this looks great for black
moro123 [1k\]: simara likes influence 
shakti [-\]: s7 normal when w o4 is high
shakti [-\]: rather than at o3
cwilliams [5k\]: is cornel bruzo also playing right now?
moro123 [1k\]: what now? pincer?
SlySheep [1d\]: normally s7 is bad and a solid connection instead is better so that b would not get r7 as a free exchange... now black gets to pincer the o4 stone
ennuistic [2d\]: black still owes a move at r7
moro123 [1k\]: l4 maybe or so..
SlySheep [1d\]: no he does not
Brno2012EC [-\]: Cornel plays against Jan Hora
SlySheep [1d\]: if w played r8... then:
ennuistic [2d\]: yeah, he kinda does.
SlySheep [1d\]: r8 q8 q7 p7 
cwilliams [5k\]: that leaves aji?
]
;B[jp]
;W[hq]C[SlySheep [1d\]: and if q7, then he can fight
]
;B[ho]
;W[fq]
;B[iq]
;W[hp]
;B[jn]C[SlySheep [1d\]: for black protecting the r7 is too slow... white would have played an extension at the bottom and b would have had nothing from his thickness
moro123 [1k\]: o17
moro123 [1k\]: dunno..b could get too strong in the center
SlySheep [1d\]: yeah o17 means 4 big corners against huge center... hard to calculate
SlySheep [1d\]: but i dont really see another move
SlySheep [1d\]: maybe g14 but that just seems passive
Bauer [1k\]: reduction move n7
SlySheep [1d\]: that is too early
SlySheep [1d\]: n7 would be attacked and has to run all the way to the top
eslite [2k\]: it's a long way to the top
moro123 [1k\]: where are all the high dans when we need them
cwilliams [5k\]: getting high at dans
SlySheep [1d\]: the high dans are playing in this tournament :S
SlySheep [1d\]: hm i think white should really grab all the territory he can get and bet that he can reduce the center afterwards
SlySheep [1d\]: at least i like those games 
cwilliams [5k\]: so your saying white should be patient?
SlySheep [1d\]: yeah
Bauer [1k\]: if the open corner is 4-4, one can first reduce, then invade 3-3
moro123 [1k\]: maybe just k16 mm..
SlySheep [1d\]: theoretically speaking yes
SlySheep [1d\]: ..provided your reduction is sente
SlySheep [1d\]: but i would go with... i were black i would love to play g15 -> so better not let him
SlySheep [1d\]: but my go is off balance :S so anything i say is probably wrong
cwilliams [5k\]: how about p9
SlySheep [1d\]: btw... how can they start the first round at 9am on a sunday???
Viscontino [11k?\]: why p9?
Viscontino [11k?\]: hard to decide anyway....
SlySheep [1d\]: horribly early
cwilliams [5k\]: p9 looks like a safe reduction
twoody [5k\]: how did the joseki start on the bottom left?
twoody [5k\]: Loos very peculiar
SlySheep [1d\]: it is a common korean joseki
twoody [5k\]: Looks*
twoody [5k\]: It doesn't seem that good for b as is. What's the ida behind it?
]
;W[nn]C[SlySheep [1d\]: the idea ist, that it is better then it looks
SlySheep [1d\]: white is really running there?
Viscontino [11k?\]: simple is good :)
twoody [5k\]: Haha that must be why the high dans use it ^^
twoody [5k\]: But is there a general purpose that it serves?
twoody [5k\]: besides the wall
Viscontino [11k?\]: i imagine it aims the center too
twoody [5k\]: I guess the sequence pattern would be beneficial to understanding it also.
SlySheep [1d\]: yeah... normally it is used, when instead of a 4-4 on top there would have been a small knights enclosure
SlySheep [1d\]: in this situation i think the normal one-space pincer would be better
SlySheep [1d\]: as this 2-space pincer
twoody [5k\]: did w start out with the 4-4 and the small knights enclosure?
SlySheep [1d\]: no
SlySheep [1d\]: there was no enclosure^^
]
;B[ok]C[cwilliams [5k\]: he connected two stone pillar to the  4 4
SlySheep [1d\]: nice
twoody [5k\]: Ohhhhh I understand then
twoody [5k\]: so the fight really started on the side and not the corner
SlySheep [1d\]: i really dont understand white's plan here
twoody [5k\]: j3 h3 I'm guessing
SlySheep [1d\]: o6 just seems trouble to me
morbidus [1d\]: p9 looks so perfect for black that i start to think o6 was a misclick
cwilliams [5k\]: black pincered o4 then w extended corner to meet the pincer
twoody [5k\]: Thanks williams
morbidus [1d\]: but now it is a one way street i think - he has to continue escaping with o6. Otherwise black can get so much territory there
]
;W[nl]C[cwilliams [5k\]: was w right to not help the o4 stone first before h3?
]
;B[nq]C[eslite [2k\]: I think trouble started with r4
morbidus [1d\]: no, h3 seemed very well placed
SlySheep [1d\]: i think trouble started with s7... if white had just played s6 he would have had miai k3 or q7
]
;W[ko]
;B[mq]
;W[jo]
;B[io]
;W[ip]C[morbidus [1d\]: white had to anticipate black`s further extension to f3 so h3 was okay.
morbidus [1d\]: well, now it turned out to be good for white
cwilliams [5k\]: yea this looks like crap for b
SlySheep [1d\]: k4 h3 h5 f3 j3 h4 j5  is a set middle-game pattern (k6 looks a bit peculiar to me)
]
;B[jq]C[cwilliams [5k\]: was b afraid of q7 cut?
bfm [-\]: it's ok for black
morbidus [1d\]: yes, but it is not bad for white. At least not for my 4 kyu egf point of view 
Bauer [1k\]: if w gets O9, it is quite good for w
SlySheep [1d\]: yes p9 said... go forth and take that r7 stone... i will squeze around... but then o8 is a good peep so black decided not to connect  solidly but rather take some points and live
wtev [?\]: w l6 feel not too good
bfm [-\]: o6 group is not alive
TurtleDove [4k\]: whenever I saw Silt, he plays the opening well and goes astray in the middle game
]
;W[lp]C[morbidus [1d\]: white may have a good reason for delay o9 and try something else first since o9 gives territory for black
SlySheep [1d\]: is that m4 move really needed? it looks like aji keshi
morbidus [1d\]: it is sente and gives better shape
wtev [?\]: w wants j6 cut but worries b l6
]
;B[lq]
;W[km]
;B[go]
;W[ir]
;B[jr]
;W[im]
;B[gm]
;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[pb]
;B[ob]C[Moriak [3k\]: lag test*
]
;W[qb]
;B[oc]
;W[re]
;B[rf]
;W[qe]
;B[qf]C[Gouda [?\]: 4 corners for white
SlySheep [1d\]: oh i think, black will lose by komi now
]
;W[pe]
;B[oe]
;W[qd]
;B[jd]
;W[of]
;B[ne]
;W[og]
;B[qi]
;W[nb]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm 4 corners vs 4 sides
]
;B[oa]C[antibiotic [-\]: um, and a centre?
matsutoya [13k\]: black cant play C 3 and live?
antibiotic [-\]: ko
morbidus [1d\]: black is strong almost everywhere. I do not think white has an easy game. What black needs is to find a victim 
]
;W[ld]C[moro123 [1k\]: p13 / o17
moro123 [1k\]: n14 now
]
;B[nf]
;W[nd]
;B[od]
;W[ke]
;B[ng]
;W[je]
;B[gd]C[wtev [?\]: j16
]
;W[fd]C[Feanor [1d\]: n? 14?
wtev [?\]: u mean g14?
Goreon [2d\]: almost 4 corners...
melmak: g15 
]
;B[gf]
;W[co]
;B[id]
;W[kc]C[Feanor [1d\]: now complete 4 corners
]
;B[jl]
;W[jm]
;B[hk]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: although B t18 might be seki ?
Goreon [2d\]: yes and i dont see a kill for b on the board coming
Goreon [2d\]: no seki there imho
TurtleDove [4k\]: W replies ?
]
;W[if]C[Feanor [1d\]: s18 probably
]
;B[gc]C[Malingo [4d\]: m18 seems weak spot
]
;W[fe]
;B[hf]
;W[ih]
;B[jj]C[Feanor [1d\]: yea, w has to be cautios
]
;W[nk]C[Feanor [1d\]: keeping m16 and l7 alive while reducing the center
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]
;B[lg]
;W[hi]
;B[jb]
;W[jc]
;B[ib]
;W[ic]
;B[hc]
;W[ie]
;B[hd]C[Viscontino [11k?\]: peep at l12 now?
]
;W[kb]
;B[gh]
;W[gi]
;B[fk]
;W[fh]
;B[fg]
;W[ej]
;B[eh]
;W[fj]
;B[dl]
;W[ek]C[wtev [?\]: w has to find a cut somewhere
]
;B[el]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]
;W[hl]C[pinkfloyd [-\]: h10 
]
;B[hj]
;W[gj]
;B[lj]
;W[gl]
;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[gq]C[goBum [1k\]: yo nightwolf 
Minjhou [11k?\]: g2
Brno2012EC [-\]: w in byoyomi (3x30s), b 17 minutes left
]
;W[gr]
;B[fr]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
(;W[hr])
(;W[er]
;B[hr]
;W[ni]
;B[oi]
;W[ki]C[Minjhou [11k?\]: k11
]
;B[mi]
;W[nj]
;B[mh]C[Naab [7k\]: any human score estimators ?
Backflash [6k\]: w lost
]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]
;W[cl]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: I counted but these latest plays changinf the score quite a bit
matsutoya [13k\]: I not so sure agout that
]
;B[bf]
;W[be]C[matsutoya [13k\]: yes C 8 was big
]
;B[se]
;W[sd]
;B[sf]C[Helectrix [1d\]: s8 big
]
;W[sb]C[blurb1: b b7?
]
;B[gs]
;W[ql]
;B[es]
;W[dr]
;B[gb]
;W[rk]
;B[rj]
;W[pk]
;B[pj]
;W[qj]
;B[eb]
;W[oj]C[invader [1d\]: c18
Backflash [6k\]: oh wow
philemon [6k\]: p13 back to life ?
Uksus [4k\]: b had to play s8 himself...
Helectrix [1d\]: ^^
Helectrix [1d\]: black lose i think
]
;B[cb]
;W[oh]C[philemon [6k\]: big exchange ...
TurtleDove [4k\]: yikes
Backflash [6k\]: half a board death
Helectrix [1d\]: resign 
Backflash [6k\]: it's not exchange
]
;B[kh]C[philemon [6k\]: F17 dead
Uksus [4k\]: b have to live in center. can he?
Backflash [6k\]: not big enough
]
;W[ji]C[invader [1d\]: he can
Backflash [6k\]: he might
Backflash [6k\]: hope not
]
;B[kf]C[Minjhou [11k?\]: he wont
nightwolf [9k\]: hmm..
]
;W[db]
;B[da]
;W[fb]
;B[fa]C[Minjhou [11k?\]: d18 time move?
Uksus [4k\]: seams so
Backflash [6k\]: yea
]
;W[li]C[Backflash [6k\]: wasting ko threats though
]
;B[le]C[invader [1d\]: ko
]
;W[me]
;B[mf]
;W[lf]C[moro123 [1k\]: b falling apart?
Backflash [6k\]: i'd take l9 and the side, still bigger than corner
martin3141 [-\]: o12 
invader [1d\]: b win ko for sure
Backflash [6k\]: o12 is miai
Brno2012EC [-\]: b in byoyomi
]
;B[pi]
;W[nh]
;B[le]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: W n10 worth loads if lose ko
]
;W[kd]C[invader [1d\]: q 11 mistake
pollybis [3d\]: h15 useful later
]
;B[lh]
;W[lf]C[martin3141 [-\]: so q11 should have been at o12 after all
Uksus [4k\]: think so too
]
;B[qk]C[invader [1d\]: ...
Helectrix [1d\]: ignore and win
]
;W[ol]
;B[le]C[Nilatarion [3d\]: this ko is small for white
]
;W[he]C[invader [1d\]: white seem had more ko threat now
]
;B[ge]
;W[lf]C[Helectrix [1d\]: white kill O14= vicotry
Helectrix [1d\]: victory*
Brno2012EC [-\]: W+time
Uksus [4k\]: as for me, w's alredy won
Backflash [6k\]: hah
Backflash [6k\]: thx
Brno2012EC [-\]: thanks for watching
Minjhou [11k?\]: ty
Uksus [4k\]: tnx, Brno
LemE4k: thx
]))