(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[4500]OT[3x30 byo-yomi] GN[Brno - International Go Cup 2013 ]PW[Pal Balogh]PB[Jan Simara]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2013-09-06]EV[International Go Cup 2013 ]RO[1]PC[Brno, Czech Republic] ;B[qd]C[Brno2013b [-\]: W: Pal Balogh, B: Jan Simara ] ;W[dp] ;B[pp] ;W[od]C[Anivia [6k?\]: who is Palko playing? ] ;B[dc] ;W[de]C[Brno2013b [-\]: with Ondrej Kruml at 8 pm ] ;B[fd]C[Anivia [6k?\]: 8 pm? how is that? ;-) Brno2013b [-\]: he arrives later due to the World championship Anivia [6k?\]: oh, right. Thanks Brno2013b [-\]: both players left gruenwald [2d\]: is this a regular tournament or czech championships? ] ;W[cc] ;B[cb] ;W[cd] ;B[eb] ;W[ch]C[Anivia [6k?\]: regular Brno2013b [-\]: European tournament in Czechia ;) gruenwald [2d\]: tx gruenwald [2d\]: all the top players are there it seems gooooo [-\]: lee sedol!? Odysseu9s [5k\]: No x) Brno2013b [-\]: not all of them, because a few days ago played the World championship (Cornel, Csaba, ...) ] ;B[fq]C[gruenwald [2d\]: will cornel and csaba come tomorrow? Brno2013b [-\]: no Brno2013b [-\]: only Ondrej Silt and Pavol Lisy will play in our tournaments ] ;W[dn] ;B[jp] ;W[qn] ;B[np] ;W[rp] ;B[oe] ;W[qc]C[Vamehag [6d\]: can you give me a link of the pairing? teletubi: you forgot the magic word Brno2013b [-\]: not yet, I'm waiting for the referee sends Vamehag [6d\]: ok, tx Brno2013b [-\]: top 6 boards are here: http://www.egoban.cz/archives/16944 (on my website) gruenwald [2d\]: http://www.egoban.cz/ Vamehag [6d\]: th ] ;B[pe] ;W[nd] ;B[rc] ;W[pc]C[SIscurge [5d\]: I don§t know for whom to chear :) Hope it will be a great match ] ;B[ql] ;W[pl] ;B[pk] ;W[pm] ;B[qk] ;W[qq] ;B[pq]C[xio [5k\]: I'm with Balrog teletubi: I'm with gandalf SIscurge [5d\]: s6 too slow? teletubi: s6 parubaru styl teletubi: e xio [5k\]: dude, don't you see, Balrog is your pal! ] ;W[nl] ;B[nj] ;W[ne]C[xio [5k\]: upper side getting bigt Vamehag [6d\]: K17 ] ;B[kd] ;W[ng] ;B[pg] ;W[rb]C[gruenwald [2d\]: now to the left?= xio [5k\]: where's the best point? gruenwald [2d\]: xio, where would you play? xio [5k\]: c8 or d10 teletubi: o10,q13 feels strange gruenwald [2d\]: c8 and d11 seem ok. I am not sure if first a move at d2/f5 is appropriate gruenwald [2d\]: d11 directly not good imho ] ;B[dk]C[xio [5k\]: ok, let's see b choice. he likely tenukies now gruenwald [2d\]: good gruenwald [2d\]: i wouldnt play it as b, and wouldnt know how to handlw it as w. Brno2013b [-\]: pairing is here: http://ivan.kostka.sweb.cz/Brno2013/Pair1.txt Brno2013b [-\]: I apologize for delay ;) cabbage [1d\]: d2 xio [5k\]: b likes playing next to hoshi xio [5k\]: d9 l16 q9 TyTaLuS [3k\]: this looks like a territorial game and b has 1 corner maybe ? sandbag [3d\]: h3 now i guess gruenwald [2d\]: e8 no option? gruenwald [2d\]: h3 seems to me like overplay gruenwald [2d\]: or cap gruenwald [2d\]: ^^ teletubi: e3,f4,f2,g2,,e2? gruenwald [2d\]: teletubi, no e2 in your seq. better keep sente. but imho simply d2 is better than that teletubi: than take the 1 stone is extremly big cabbage [1d\]: teletubi, better not to solidify b territory at the bottom teletubi: connect half sente,aim for hasami tsuke teletubi: and if black connect still m4 cabbage [1d\]: w can invade later anyway Backflash [7k?\]: d10? teletubi: thats why I would connect the 1 stone,thats huge merton [3k\]: R3 and Q7 have shape problem merton [3k\]: w almost need to D2 gruenwald [2d\]: teletubi, its big for sure, but gote gruenwald [2d\]: corner is safe without it teletubi: you mean if black take the 1 stone? gruenwald [2d\]: yes teletubi: still aji at c2 gruenwald [2d\]: it is usual to omit e2 when early in the game gruenwald [2d\]: yes there is aji but at this point removing the aji would be too slow teletubi: connection double function:remove the aji plus creat aji(or make black overconcentrated teletubi: But I like slow moves so.. gruenwald [2d\]: believe me or not.... teletubi: I believe,dont worry. teletubi: I just tell my opinion gruenwald [2d\]: and i told mine gruenwald [2d\]: ;) gruenwald [2d\]: simara seems to read a lot? teletubi: Which I highly disagree:in this game white goes for cash,d2 also gote,black can easily play k3 and ignore the invasion. teletubi: its pál tur teletubi: n ] ;W[ip]C[merton [3k\]: nice TyTaLuS [3k\]: is that common? merton [3k\]: it is teletubi: pál goes for the magari kurii [3d\]: white does't have ladder.. merton [3k\]: this deals with R4 and attacks D9 Brno2013b [-\]: W 5 minutes, B 50 m. left TyTaLuS [3k\]: maybe thats the idea TyTaLuS [3k\]: w wants a ladder breaker? TyTaLuS [3k\]: seems like its not worth it from here Backflash [7k?\]: w wants to play stickysuji ] ;B[jq]C[SeiYuriha [1d\]: goooo pal gooo /o/ SeiYuriha [1d\]: \\o\\ SeiYuriha [1d\]: /o/ SeiYuriha [1d\]: \\o\\ SeiYuriha [1d\]: /o/ Backflash [7k?\]: are you making a wave? ] ;W[in]C[Backflash [7k?\]: j6 that is cool and all, but f3 SeiYuriha [1d\]: yeah i do a wave :D TyTaLuS [3k\]: b should attach to c12 or somthing teletubi: random attach always good xio [5k\]: not so easy to make decision, but perhaps somewhere around f6 ] ;B[iq] ;W[ic]C[Backflash [7k?\]: w will pay for leaving j4 as it is xio [5k\]: j4 isnt that important, b wont tenuki j17 TyTaLuS [3k\]: b will pay if he does somthing at the bottom now :D Backflash [7k?\]: yose is a stage where is someone paying , usualy TyTaLuS [3k\]: when you get to it :D ] ;B[kf]C[Brno2013b [-\]: w in byoyomi (3x30s) TyTaLuS [3k\]: w will lose for the time pressure Brno2013b [-\]: Pal lost 2 periods... teletubi: what pressure? ] ;W[je]C[xio [5k\]: so w has SD now? Brno2013b [-\]: yes Vamehag [6d\]: anybody knows that w do this intentionally Vamehag [6d\]: ? wsxdfghjkl [2d\]: what is SD please ? xio [5k\]: sudden death Vamehag [6d\]: I dont understand K15 wsxdfghjkl [2d\]: ok ty teletubi: its a peep ] ;B[ke] ;W[ge]C[xio [5k\]: looks like w needs the stone to get a shape xio [5k\]: now b can peep entropper [2d\]: w wants to cap it with L12 if b lets ] ;B[ef] ;W[ee] ;B[fe] ;W[ff]C[xio [5k\]: if b do not extend w seems ahead on terrirotry York [5d\]: hmm, would be helpful if i could see the info of brno ] ;B[gf] ;W[fg] ;B[gg] ;W[gh]C[gruenwald [2d\]: and if b extended he would come into some trouble with three groups ] ;B[ig] ;W[fc] ;B[ed] ;W[gc] ;B[bc] ;W[bd] ;B[bb] ;W[kb] ;B[df] ;W[cf] ;B[fh] ;W[eg] ;B[dg] ;W[eh] ;B[dh] ;W[ei] ;B[di]C[TyTaLuS [3k\]: THAT has to be a misread ] ;W[cg]C[xio [5k\]: c15 backpack1 [2d\]: c15 doesn´t work xio [5k\]: doesnt kill w, I know xio [5k\]: but forces w to live in gote gruenwald [2d\]: this looks promising for b ] ;B[dj] ;W[gi]C[xio [5k\]: now c15 may work gruenwald [2d\]: but b must be cautious with j13 gruenwald [2d\]: i think w will have to give the two stones xio [5k\]: then n connected & happy xio [5k\]: b* xio [5k\]: now if w gets to play d16 first it's a different story gruenwald [2d\]: depends on what w can do with sente. but as I said, looks promising for b xio [5k\]: w also has just 1 eye yet backpack1 [2d\]: w has to live in gote anyway ] ;B[fj] ;W[fi]C[gruenwald [2d\]: so b moves on? xio [5k\]: b cant kill w so he should focus on securing his weak groups ] ;B[be] ;W[bf] ;B[bi] ;W[bh]C[xio [5k\]: a16 kills? ] ;B[ad] ;W[ae]C[Chilltime [2d\]: looks kinda dead to me but ok Chilltime [2d\]: :P ] ;B[af] ;W[ag]C[gruenwald [2d\]: to me too ] ;B[ae] ;W[ac] ;B[ab]C[fbp [7d\]: b10 is some problem fbp [7d\]: but yeah pretty dead gruenwald [2d\]: yes ] ;W[ce] ;B[ac]C[gruenwald [2d\]: and b corner is fully alive whuang [3d\]: No.. ] ;W[bj] ;B[ci]C[whuang [3d\]: Not fully ] ;W[ai] ;B[bk]C[HelloQtion [-\]: how you kill ? ] ;W[bl]C[whuang [3d\]: E17 Chilltime [2d\]: d16 gruenwald [2d\]: doesnt kill Chilltime [2d\]: and? xio [5k\]: e17 doesnt kill rs220675 [1d\]: white can force a ko here Chilltime [2d\]: :P whuang [3d\]: F18 whuang [3d\]: Next? fbp [7d\]: i think fbp [7d\]: b9 should be c8 ] ;B[ak]C[whuang [3d\]: But white is pretty darn dead ] ;W[cl]C[fbp [7d\]: yes ] ;B[ck]C[kentia [1k\]: over.. rs220675 [1d\]: yeah, but black needs to kill white and white could use the ko to get some advantages elsewhere fbp [7d\]: not over kentia [1k\]: no? fbp [7d\]: almost fbp [7d\]: =) rs220675 [1d\]: it's not over yet ] ;W[fk]C[fbp [7d\]: w can try fbp [7d\]: to kill all l15 gruenwald [2d\]: w to kill l14 4 whuang [3d\]: rs, it probably is a trillion step ko, xio [5k\]: se believes in w Chilltime [2d\]: se is a belieber whuang [3d\]: Se does rs220675 [1d\]: but how the game went I do not think that was what white planned whuang [3d\]: no duh ] ;B[mf] ;W[nf]C[xio [5k\]: g11 was superfluous, b didnt have ladder nor geta Obvious [5d\]: W is doomed ] ;B[fl] ;W[gk]C[rs220675 [1d\]: g14+g13 seem like a shot for white, maybe black "forgets" about it; that can happen while one is fighting wildy ] ;B[dl] ;W[dm]C[rs220675 [1d\]: ah forget it...it doesn't help the enclosed white group^^ ] ;B[em] ;W[en] ;B[fn] ;W[fo] ;B[cm] ;W[bm] ;B[eo]C[a2g [5k\]: can w attack l14 ? ] ;W[do] ;B[go] ;W[ep] ;B[gn]C[a2g [5k\]: ataris always good ] ;W[gl]C[xio [5k\]: l14 is so insecure, b wont even spend a move to protect gruenwald [2d\]: m11 OR SO? ] ;B[mh] ;W[gp] ;B[fp] ;W[hp] ;B[eo]C[a2g [5k\]: ko xio [5k\]: no shit ] ;W[gd]C[HelloQtion [-\]: h4 instead of f4 wasn't possible ? Hollumber [1k?\]: no, it wasn't ] ;B[ec] ;W[fo]C[Brno2013b [-\]: b in byo bronislav [3k\]: and white? ] ;B[bn] ;W[bo]C[Brno2013b [-\]: w too bronislav [3k\]: thx xio [5k\]: w was in byo like an hour ago ] ;B[eo] ;W[ph]C[emre06 [8k\]: wht u mean by byo? HelloQtion [-\]: Oh yes I'm stupid, b is short in libs >> Hollumber [1k?\]: wait, hmm, i thought i saw some counter to h4 by black, but i don't remember TyTaLuS [3k\]: shouldnt w resign this already? HelloQtion [-\]: h4 h5 j5 h6 f4 g7 ] ;B[qh] ;W[fo]C[bronislav [3k\]: emre06: byo-yomi periods ] ;B[al]C[emre06 [8k\]: tnx bronislav rs220675 [1d\]: what's the byo? like 30/5? ] ;W[cn]C[xio [5k\]: 3x30 ] ;B[eo]C[Brno2013b [-\]: now w has 1x30, b 3x30 rs220675 [1d\]: wow...that's a disadv. for white Hollumber [1k?\]: ah, yeah, there it is, hello. Thanks HelloQtion [-\]: Ahah Thank you too ] ;W[oh]C[Rak [4k\]: =_= ] ;B[qi] ;W[fo]C[Brno2013b [-\]: b 2x30 Hollumber [1k?\]: j5? ] ;B[ro]C[Rak [4k\]: ty smol rs220675 [1d\]: why doesn't black play a10 to start his own ko? ] ;W[qo] ;B[eo]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: cuz f5 ko is bigger. Black isn't worried about winning the race gruenwald [2d\]: ko is not for c15 group but for the territory in LR ] ;W[mi]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: *LL gruenwald [2d\]: LL, right ] ;B[ni] ;W[fo] ;B[qp] ;W[rr] ;B[qr] ;W[rq] ;B[li]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: basically, if black wins the ko, he doesn't have to go back and capture the group, and has nice endgame with d2 ] ;W[eo] ;B[gq] ;W[am]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: k4! ] ;B[io] ;W[ho] ;B[hn] ;W[jo] ;B[hq] ;W[io]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: h7 ] ;B[im] ;W[hm]C[gruenwald [2d\]: l5 k6 l6 k7 l7 k8 a10 ] ;B[ko] ;W[jn]C[rs220675 [1d\]: white looks good again ] ;B[kn] ;W[jm]C[bronislav [3k\]: does he? ] ;B[km] ;W[jl]C[daniug [2d\]: ihi ] ;B[aj] ;W[ek]C[gruenwald [2d\]: :) Vamehag [6d\]: i guess b won daniug [2d\]: capture the 4stones ] ;B[ah]C[daniug [2d\]: and b has even to defend...but is this enough? Hollumber [1k?\]: nice gruen ] ;W[mg] ;B[lg] ;W[ai]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: ...capture the ko last. i think d10 first is proper? ] ;B[an] ;W[ao] ;B[ah] ;W[kh] ;B[lh] ;W[ai]C[gruenwald [2d\]: d10? Hollumber [1k?\]: am i wrong in thinking this? He is 6d, but why doens't black play d10 before fighting the ko? ] ;B[rn] ;W[rm] ;B[qm]C[josekimq [1d\]: e10 ?? ] ;W[so] ;B[pn] ;W[sn]C[gruenwald [2d\]: d10 is occupied ] ;B[po]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: loll, d16 josekimq [1d\]: not good gruenwald [2d\]: d16 not needed if he fills the ko Hollumber [1k?\]: ah, right, kk, thanks ] ;W[kl] ;B[ll] ;W[lk] ;B[mk] ;W[lm] ;B[ml] ;W[ej]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: .., white's busted xio [5k\]: why is w wasting threats? ] ;B[ah] ;W[kp] ;B[lp]C[rousseau [8k\]: maybe creating bigger ones ] ;W[ai]C[a2g [5k\]: no thinking ] ;B[kq]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: wait, if black fills the ko, he'll still have to play d16. He doesn't have libs xio [5k\]: now direct bronislav [3k\]: not fills TyTaLuS [3k\]: he wont fill ] ;W[qg]C[bronislav [3k\]: he has to take A13 Hollumber [1k?\]: and fight another ko.. :/ ] ;B[qf] ;W[rg] ;B[ah]C[xio [5k\]: funny thing if w wins ko in the left and still loses the game ] ;W[qj]C[teletubi: lol no gruenwald [2d\]: xio did you count that? ] ;B[pj] ;W[og] ;B[pf]C[xio [5k\]: it could happen if b kills o16 ] ;W[rf] ;B[re]C[gruenwald [2d\]: impossible ] ;W[pd]C[gruenwald [2d\]: more likely to kill j17 ] ;B[sd]C[xio [5k\]: w would have to ignore 2 threats, possible :) ] ;W[ai] ;B[qe] ;W[el] ;B[ah]C[xio [5k\]: w still has a threat at t17 daniug [2d\]: s11 at first copyright [2d\]: s10 mkeller [1k\]: s10 ? daniug [2d\]: and there are 2 threats TyTaLuS [3k\]: j8 for b ] ;W[pi]C[Muttley [2k\]: they've got to move 210 and they're playing a ko fight for the left? ] ;B[rj]C[xio [5k\]: yep kentia [1k\]: looks like b messed up? Hollumber [1k?\]: the fight's been going on for a while now ] ;W[ai]C[bronislav [3k\]: yes bronislav [3k\]: what now? gruenwald [2d\]: k18 Hollumber [1k?\]: m18 kentia [1k\]: m18 xio [5k\]: now just 1 threat ] ;B[il]C[HelloQtion [-\]: j8 ? TyTaLuS [3k\]: j8 to imo xio [5k\]: must be biggg HelloQtion [-\]: ok too slow daniug [2d\]: take Hollumber [1k?\]: nah, yeah, but black might still win Muttley [2k\]: doubt Pal will take :) Hollumber [1k?\]: it's a big capture for both sides kentia [1k\]: cant ignore this ] ;W[ik] ;B[ah]C[lowenstein [7k\]: doesn't b need to win this twice? mkeller [1k\]: now b has another big threat Muttley [2k\]: yes gruenwald [2d\]: now yes Muttley [2k\]: but lowenstein, if you don't have ko threats as white, not a problem Muttley [2k\]: just gobble gobble ] ;W[if]C[kentia [1k\]: ignoreeee TyTaLuS [3k\]: ? seckinoldo [5k\]: p2? xio [5k\]: b would lead after the exchange ] ;B[bg]C[TyTaLuS [3k\]: o he just wants profit gruenwald [2d\]: p2 much too small mkeller [1k\]: gg TyTaLuS [3k\]: he will use one bit here? Muttley [2k\]: considering b still has k9, bit of a pickle copyright [2d\]: t15 ] ;W[se]C[TyTaLuS [3k\]: ? gruenwald [2d\]: this threatens another ko? mkeller [1k\]: ignore kentia [1k\]: what? Muttley [2k\]: doesn't even work ] ;B[dd]C[kentia [1k\]: lol josekimq [1d\]: ko TyTaLuS [3k\]: +r time ] ;W[sg]C[mkeller [1k\]: it's another ko, albeit a much smaller one zhou901108 [3d\]: ko Muttley [2k\]: hum, that way ok ] ;B[rh]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: and black can lose this and still win lowenstein [7k\]: what was the purpose of j14? Muttley [2k\]: sorry it works but it's pretty horrible still Tasky [2d\]: and b takes first here, so nothing gained by shifting the ko ] ;W[of]C[xio [5k\]: may be smaller, if w wins it he will lead mkeller [1k\]: j14 says "I'm out of ko threats :( ") cabbage [1d\]: b should t14 before s12 ] ;B[sf] ;W[pr]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: i don't think white will lead. Considering black's endgame and threat move, black should be better ] ;B[sh]C[gruenwald [2d\]: answer gruenwald [2d\]: oh ] ;W[or]C[gruenwald [2d\]: wow xio [5k\]: now k13 big ] ;B[hg] ;W[lc]C[HelloQtion [-\]: black could have answered play l9 then ignore next threat (that I can't see) ? Hollumber [1k?\]: t19 d2 both good for black ] ;B[dr] ;W[cr] ;B[er] ;W[mq] ;B[nq] ;W[nr]C[Jhyn [1k\]: is b3 the best move in bot left? Muttley [2k\]: what rules is the tournament being played under, Chinese, Japanese, AGA? bronislav [3k\]: jap Muttley [2k\]: Not "jap", Japanese please :) ] ;B[lr]C[Muttley [2k\]: or "jp" :) Brno2013b [-\]: jap mkeller [1k\]: why no jap? bronislav [3k\]: :-) Hollumber [1k?\]: loll Muttley [2k\]: its a racist term ] ;W[oq] ;B[no]C[bronislav [3k\]: is it? ] ;W[mr]C[bronislav [3k\]: an jp is ok? Jhyn [1k\]: more than jp? Hollumber [1k?\]: some ppl consider 'jap' politically incorrect. I feel it's def not in today's world, but some ppl still take offense Muttley [2k\]: yeah, I know a lot of people don't know it, but that was the derogatory term from 2nd world war ] ;B[br] ;W[cq] ;B[cs]C[Muttley [2k\]: "jp" is the international contraction for "Japanese" Jhyn [1k\]: you english speakers have funny choices for racist words Muttley [2k\]: like "ru" for Russian etc :) MrZNF [4d\]: b winning ] ;W[ii]C[Muttley [2k\]: anyway, thanks bronislav :) ] ;B[jf]C[Hollumber [1k?\]: 'jap' wasn't actually racist in itself. It would be like calling black ppl "blacks". but because of the history, some think it's offensive MrZNF [4d\]: t18 big, h19 also quite big Muttley [2k\]: if it is Japanese rules then score est actually has a chance bronislav [3k\]: np :-) shortstraw [1k?\]: thanks bro ] ;W[ie]C[Muttley [2k\]: which makes it interesting :) bronislav [3k\]: I meant it plainly as a shortcut, but glad to learn something new :) Hollumber [1k?\]: isn't t18 bigger than j15? Muttley [2k\]: oh, I understand :) ] ;B[sb] ;W[ra] ;B[ga]C[MrZNF [4d\]: b playing safe ] ;W[hb]C[MrZNF [4d\]: he's got a big enough lead Hollumber [1k?\]: i mean for white. Shouldn't white have taken t18? ] ;B[bq]C[bronislav [3k\]: hey, can someone explain when is G19 better than H19? thought that monkey should be sente as well Muttley [2k\]: doesn't seem anyway back for white Hollumber [1k?\]: g19 for sente MrZNF [4d\]: white should resign ] ;W[ki]C[Muttley [2k\]: g19 not sente Hollumber [1k?\]: h19 h18 g19 j19 f18 gote qoo1027s [4k\]: agree xio [5k\]: monkey jump is sometimes sente and sometimes gote Muttley [2k\]: because the cut at j18 isn't on ] ;B[jh]C[Muttley [2k\]: so that's what's making the difference here bronislav [3k\]: ok! xio [5k\]: usually when you play it its gote, and when your opponent does its sente bronislav [3k\]: thanks Muttley [2k\]: yw Hollumber [1k?\]: g19 was sente..h19 was gote bronislav [3k\]: ;)) shortstraw [1k?\]: haha MrZNF [4d\]: this move is also not optimal, could l10 ] ;W[lj]C[MrZNF [4d\]: white gains a little here Jhyn [1k\]: how old is Jan Simara? ] ;B[mj]C[MrZNF [4d\]: mid 20s Muttley [2k\]: not enough though, it is still going to be +7.5 or something like that bronislav [3k\]: 27 ] ;W[kj]C[Jhyn [1k\]: thanks HelloQtion [-\]: Hollumber, I assume he means g19 is gote after h19 h18 j19 g19 exchanges ] ;B[cp] ;W[dq] ;B[bp]C[ciaz [3k\]: interesting how close w kept it after that left side blunder ] ;W[me] ;B[lf] ;W[rl]C[ciaz [3k\]: in the beginning ] ;B[ji]C[MrZNF [4d\]: the correct endgame there is h19, h18, j19, f19, except if they are pro's and black read out he will get h19 ] ;W[jj]C[Muttley [2k\]: it is depressing when you lose a load of stones and still only lose by a few points at the end Muttley [2k\]: depressing, but probably deserved :) shortstraw [1k?\]: usually you trade points for security when that ahead, so it getting closer doesn't mean much ] ;B[jc]C[MrZNF [4d\]: it's more than a few gruenwald [2d\]: its not a small win ] ;W[jb] ;B[he]C[ciaz [3k\]: yea sure ciaz [3k\]: but its not like a 30+ wibn shortstraw [1k?\]: how much? Brno2013b [-\]: B+R MrZNF [4d\]: it's something like 10 points, that's quite a large win Brno2013b [-\]: thanks for watching Muttley [2k\]: thanks game relayed :) gruenwald [2d\]: more than 10 ciaz [3k\]: of course 10 points is "not small" at that level ^^ bronislav [3k\]: thanks for broadcasting Brno2013b [-\]: see you tomorrow HelloQtion [-\]: See you Jhyn [1k\]: thanks to the scribe gruenwald [2d\]: thx Brno ])