(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[3x60 byo-yomi]
GN[57th European Go Congress, round 6]PW[Tormanen Antti]PB[Silt Ondriej]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2013-08-05]EV[57th European Go Congress]RO[6]PC[Olsztyn, Poland]
;B[dc]
;W[cp]
;B[pp]
;W[qd]
;B[eq]C[SImikin [1k\]: do ndrej!!!
SImikin [1k\]: sry ondrej
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;W[do]C[SImikin [1k\]: go onderj!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I would think cross fuseki doesnt play to antis strengths
Psychopath [-\]: Not quite true.
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;B[od]C[Psychopath [-\]: This is exactly the opening for him, the kind he has studied in Japan a lot.
gruenwald [2d\]: Ondrej strong enough though. had 7d rating for some time
Weishenme [4d\]: in Japan, are you speaking about Antti or Ondrej ?
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;W[ce]C[moro123 [1d\]: antti was insei there
Weishenme [4d\]: I see
Weishenme [4d\]: ty
Pulcik [-\]: Today is born the new champion and the old One is watching him.;)
Pulcik [-\]: Go Mano!!!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r17?
SImikin [1k\]: if mano wins antti he would have free path to the play-off... tough path, had to fight from the bottom :)
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;B[ci]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: c11, what a mess
donkisot [7d?\]: the most interesting match among all the games 
donkisot [7d?\]: hope to see blood 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this looks like the opening to guarantee blood
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w c13 totally silly idea here?
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;W[fe]C[donkisot [7d?\]: i was expecting e16 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: e16 actually rather rare in this position
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f15 or c9 most common
gruenwald [2d\]: Other boards just standard chinese stuff...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g17 c9 is what antti is expecting?
gruenwald [2d\]: is e15 possible?
Gorim [1d\]: Ondrej is the rude guy that can't lose, and offend the winner right?
Gorim [1d\]: hope he gets a whooping:\]
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;B[ee]
;W[ef]C[apina [1d\]: this game looks like, that Ondrej doesn't want calm game
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;B[ed]C[apina [1d\]: more tactics, less strategy
Badduck [5d\]: hehe i met silt in a tournament years ago - i go with Gorim :-)
harlequin [12k\]: Ondrej is called Mano?
gisel [3d\]: oh? and I thought only Dinerstein is such a rude player
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;W[ch]C[klausP [7d?\]: actually not being in top group might not be a big problem
klausP [7d?\]: you get the weaker opponents
klausP [7d?\]: to begin with
Pulcik [-\]: harlequin: One of Ondrej's nicknames is Manocska, so Mano :)
donkisot [7d?\]: very slow game
harlequin [12k\]: ah ty Pulcik
gruenwald [2d\]: just cut?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b fell asleep?
donkisot [7d?\]: d12 for fun, f14 for boring game
Ootakamoku [2d\]: f14 e13 g15 f13 f16 b11 found in db
donkisot [7d?\]: yep, seems boring 
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;B[ff]
;W[eg]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b q14 will looks quite nice after this tho
donkisot [7d?\]: black might prefer r17, though i would play q14
gruenwald [2d\]: g15 only move no?
WVoron [5d\]: п14
WVoron [5d\]: g14
donkisot [7d?\]: ladder good for black, he may go for crazy (hope he does) 
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;B[dh]C[donkisot [7d?\]: here we go 
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;W[cg]C[donkisot [7d?\]: he played both f14 and d12 :)
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;B[gf]C[swaggman [3d\]: CUT
donkisot [7d?\]: black playing actively 
donkisot [7d?\]: if b11 now, then d12 c13 exchange is a plus for black 
gruenwald [2d\]: should w just b11 ?
gruenwald [2d\]: ah ok
SImikin [1k\]: i like b :)
moro123 [1d\]: p17
on1 [11k\]: c9
gruenwald [2d\]: p17 off topic and wrong move imho
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;W[iq]
;B[cd]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: c9 maybe?
daveminion [?\]: i think just d11 cut
daveminion [?\]: simple but good
fey [3d\]: i thougth about c9 also but maybe it's overplay. d11 simple and good move also.
Hobbes [2k\]: d12-c11.are.light...can't.think.that.much.of.cutting.light.stones
gruenwald [2d\]: in case you dont know: tenuki
swaggman [3d\]: who cares, d11 now
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;W[di]C[swaggman [3d\]: only move, can't let b connect
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;B[cj]C[moro123 [1d\]: and c8 now..?
gruenwald [2d\]: ladder is for w
moro123 [1d\]: interesting game
fey [3d\]: c8 would be an interesting move. it also might be overplay though.
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;W[dj]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: d10 looks so ugly
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;B[dk]C[swaggman [3d\]: cut cut cut
fey [3d\]: cut without thinking!
moro123 [1d\]: yep..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: cut and b takes outside
fey [3d\]: yes
swaggman [3d\]: who cares cut
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;W[ck]C[moro123 [1d\]: must cut of course
Ootakamoku [2d\]: c8 b9 e9 
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;B[cl]C[hfdtd [1d\]: why?
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;W[bk]
;B[ek]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: I dont like this for w
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w position looks cramped, and this way b finding good use for e3 stone
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;W[bi]
;B[hp]C[swaggman [3d\]: you don't like this for w?
swaggman [3d\]: how is this possible
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;W[ip]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: h4 looks a bit naive tho
fey [3d\]: i don't see any better ways for b getting out
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think b was hoping b still has forcing to connect e9 to f14 for a very long consistent position
fey [3d\]: now w gets double attack
daveminion [?\]: come's a fight?
KiraLNear [3d\]: who is mano?
Hobbes [2k\]: e6?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: err.. meant to say b, was hoping w dould go for eyespace, with h3 insetad j4? to make use of e10 forcing to build a huge framework
swaggman [3d\]: h5 g2 
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;B[ho]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: h5 g2 j5 and I think b happy
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w will push up again
goren2 [2k\]: d3 obviously
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;W[io]C[fey [3d\]: w don't need eyspace now since right side is wide open
asw: I prefer b
Ootakamoku [2d\]: fey, if that is comment to me, then I mean that w would attack b eyespace, which j4 doesnt do that much
fey [3d\]: ootamoku: yes i ment. but b don't need eyspace either because then he can connect quite easily. it would be enough for w to make b live locally
Ootakamoku [2d\]: true
goren2 [2k\]: whover plays first on top makes 30 points
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b might relent here, and play h3
swaggman [3d\]: .yep
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, how about b c2?
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;B[hn]C[fey [3d\]: too slow i think
daveminion [?\]: d3 now
moro123 [1d\]: no
moro123 [1d\]: o4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b will still be super happy if he gets to turn at j6
fey [3d\]: yes. tough choise for w since b is happy to connect also
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I would be sad to play o3 here as w, even more sad to play o4
Kraken [-\]: o3 or g2
swaggman [3d\]: g2
illyriak [7k\]: what about k17 for white?
swaggman [3d\]: mmm
swaggman [3d\]: b has a quite strong center
Ootakamoku [2d\]: with j4 in place, I would so much prefere to play r6 to o4, as w, but j4 might not withstand it yet
fey [3d\]: too early to invade i think
fey [3d\]: k17 i ment
illyriak [7k\]: ok
moro123 [1d\]: must do something for j3 ..
swaggman [3d\]: if b can play J6 and g11...
Ootakamoku [2d\]: dno, could just keep pushing up
moro123 [1d\]: b might tenuki if push once more
Ootakamoku [2d\]: its not like b is doing anything with the h6 stones
goren2 [2k\]: d3
swaggman [3d\]: j11, j6 ans q14 would be crazy
goren2 [2k\]: d3 or k7
Ootakamoku [2d\]: anyways, I still dont like w position
fey [3d\]: yes, i'd prefer b also
blurb1: oota antti is w 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: blurb1, I know :P
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the main problem for w it seems there is no good moves, all the choices are compromises of some sort or another
Ootakamoku [2d\]: like, whatever w plays, will make his existing stones somewhere look inefficient, tho could be w has some deeper masterplan or understanding that can bring forth the full potential of his existing stones, tho cant see how.
fey [3d\]: is there lunch breaks? seems quite quiet in stream...
Kraken [-\]: certainly not yet
fey [3d\]: k7 it was then
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;W[jm]C[Kraken [-\]: as learned from the previous games...
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;B[cr]C[goren2 [2k\]: d8 to connect?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b harasses c4, gets sente, and then plays.. o3? would love to see a move like r10 but dont think its possible
fey [3d\]: hmm. i think c2 is too slow. now w can jump to center and attack c8 stones
Ootakamoku [2d\]: k9 c6 
fey [3d\]: well, there might be reasons though why i'm 3d and silt 6d :)
grag: bC6 would be quite grave in this situation
goren2 [2k\]: i do like 04, but is there something better? p5?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: goren2, both of those moves look weird for either player
goren2 [2k\]: for w
LeeSetroll [2d?\]: If black play elsewhere white can take large corner, so I think  c2 is good.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: high approach on q4 stone is very rare
fey [3d\]: is d7 too easy for b?
goren2 [2k\]: yeah, but look at what it wuld do
Ootakamoku [2d\]: goren, massively overconcentrate w?
goren2 [2k\]: hm
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;W[gr]C[SIsaimon [2d\]: this is quite unpleasant, isn't it?
fey [3d\]: for who?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b c6 now and I have no clue what would happen in the fight
SIsaimon [2d\]: for b this g2
asw: c6?
KiraLNear [3d\]: I don't like white's play. He is playing the small side and also making damage to his own positions
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w might not like his own position all that much, and is fighting to catch up
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;B[eo]C[fey [3d\]: d7 of e6
fey [3d\]: or
fey [3d\]: maybe hane. d7 now would be a bit aji keshi
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;W[en]
;B[fo]C[fey [3d\]: hmm. can w cut c8 now?
groobiest [3k?\]: you're the 3d, you tell us
swaggman [3d\]: 3d is too noob to tell anything
Ljys [2d\]: Go Antti. :)
fey [3d\]: yes. i'm not the one to tell what to do
groobiest [3k?\]: I met Annti once in Helsinki, v. nice guy :)
gruenwald [2d\]: 41 moves in 100 minutes....
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;W[dm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: they are playing a bit fast, yes
fey [3d\]: maybe it's not good since b can just sacrifice d9 and e9
groobiest [3k?\]: w e2?
groobiest [3k?\]: too small
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b f7 probably sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, maybe not
groobiest [3k?\]: not until cut is fixed, surely
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;B[kp]C[groobiest [3k?\]: woah, L4 ... ?!
Koukkaaja [3d\]: often they mean the same thing ootaka
SIsaimon [2d\]: looks like ultra hardcore
swaggman [3d\]: l2 maybe
Psychopath [-\]: M4
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r6 :)
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;W[mp]
;B[kq]C[SImikin [1k\]: wow
SImikin [1k\]: ondrej confident :)
groobiest [3k?\]: agressive, no?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: they have like super serious disagreement here
groobiest [3k?\]: brave rather than confident maybe
SImikin [1k\]: or strong? :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just w j6 here?
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;W[ko]C[groobiest [3k?\]: shape
fey [3d\]: i like more w's position now
fey [3d\]: b stones are too heavy and under attack
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;B[mq]C[Blair [4k\]: hi, who's W, who's B ?
groobiest [3k?\]: ?
groobiest [3k?\]: it's there written for you
Reym [-\]: w Anti b Ondrej
Blair [4k\]: not written on smartphones
groobiest [3k?\]: oh, sorry
tuquedenne [4d\]: always the same "feature"...
kannikka [13k?\]: antti*
Blair [4k\]: thx
groobiest [3k?\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/EGC2013_main.html
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there is a choice bsides hane?
groobiest [3k?\]: w 3rd place vs. b 8th place, correct?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w 2nd place I think
kannikka [13k?\]: whos 2nd place?
asw: antti
kannikka [13k?\]: i thought w in 2nd place
asw: important is knockout
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I can understand this n3 is scary, but any move other than hane seems to timid..
groobiest [3k?\]: i agree, o3 seems the only way to go
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maybe w p4 could be possible?
groobiest [3k?\]: i agree, p4 seems the only way to go
kannikka [13k?\]: time?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: how b gets good result if w o3
Ootakamoku [2d\]: 13:03
kannikka [13k?\]: :D, i meant how much time they have left
Ootakamoku [2d\]: game started 2 hours ago, they have 2.5hours on the clock each, and somewhat even use of time
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I think antti used a bit more
kannikka [13k?\]: ok
kannikka [13k?\]: thx
daveminion [?\]: maybe n5
asw: if W o3 then B O4, cut?
Sifu [3d?\]: o3 only move
blurb1: id guess o3 m5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p4 would be nice if it went straightforward, tho probably b will make some huge fight out of it
Ljys [2d\]: Maybe ask r6 first? :)
groobiest [3k?\]: i don't understand r6
goren2 [2k\]: just r3
groobiest [3k?\]: doesn't w have to respond locally to n3?
Ljys [2d\]: that's the first thought, but dunno if the outcome favor w and can he get anyhting in sente
Arctic [5d\]: o3 o4 n5 looks ok, if not w could also just play m5 before attacking the group on the left
fey [3d\]: i'm not sure if w can completely tenuki but how about g7?
fey [3d\]: or h8
goren2 [2k\]: take r3 before too late.  it's a lot of territory that w cannot let b have.
ottoovs [1k\]: c3
ottoovs [1k\]: d2
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;W[cq]
;B[dr]
;W[br]
;B[hl]C[grag: I wouldn't want to be black in this game
Ootakamoku [2d\]: I would almost want to say r3 is not a move
Ootakamoku [2d\]: just wont happen
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;W[lo]C[Backflash [6k?\]: what about r4?
]
;B[nq]
;W[jk]C[EGC2013b [?\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
derpity: how big is D8?
derpity: as in can W connect if the groups if B connects?
Backflash [6k?\]: d8 around 4-6 pts
grag: white doesn't need to connect
derpity: ok
]
;B[hj]C[grag: bD8 c7 b8 b7 and black can't advance
grag: white has living groups on both sides
Naab [3k\]: A9 -> A7 for black, it's quite annoying connection, but not relevant yet
Ootakamoku [2d\]: game starting to look for w
Backflash [6k?\]: k16 still looks bad
grag: I'd invade top side now as white
Backflash [6k?\]: would lose right side then
Ljys [2d\]: q14 krhöm
goantti [?\]: q14 played - makes miai for both sides?
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;W[pf]C[asw: white should finally get some cash
asw: take
SimbaRules [1d\]: Is D8 not really huge?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Or just too slow for W so black not in a rush to play it?
Psychopath [-\]: It's alright if it's sente for Black.
SimbaRules [1d\]: It is against the corner, isn't it?
goantti [?\]: 7 points reverse sente, but only points
SimbaRules [1d\]: I see, okay.
Psychopath [-\]: I'm not sure if it's sente.
asw: D8 is gote
SimbaRules [1d\]: Really? Wow, okay.
lockhart [5d?\]: who is playing?
derpity: you can see the names..
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;B[dl]C[asw: w-tormanen b- silt
lockhart [5d?\]: app
grag: hehe
lockhart [5d?\]: thx
derpity: wait, kgs has an app?
kannikka [13k?\]: yea, but its only for android
slinfolo [5k\]: indeed
derpity: meh :(
grag: the kgs app for android is just horrible
derpity: oh look, D8 :)
goantti [?\]: in the app, doesn't game info show the names?
grag: as you can observe from the chat, it doesn't even have basic features, like showing players' names, and it's very expensive
slinfolo [5k\]: Works very well for me
grag: I'm not sure if it's in active development even
Naab [3k\]: prob more focus on kgs web client
Psychopath [-\]: Now we will see if it's sente.
Psychopath [-\]: It most likely is though.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Neither B6 nor B5 work for black.
SimbaRules [1d\]: So maybe B1?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Ah yeah, B1 A2 B5.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe white B7 in response to B1 though.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Not sure. Fairly large though even if gote.
SimbaRules [1d\]: And sente follow-up.
Trumelunki [3d\]: got to agree, the android client was a total waste of my money
Trumelunki [3d\]: I still love Kgs, so I can just think that I just donated some money to wms, but still...
Backflash [6k?\]: heeey d8...why?
grag: perhaps to make white consume a lot of time pondering over whether it's ok to tenuki :)
Backflash [6k?\]: id ignore it and make some 15 pt move elsewhere
Arctic [5d\]: hard to choose between m16 and r9 
Psychopath [-\]: If those are the options, then M16 definitely.
EGC2013b [?\]: time: white 1:02, black 1:15
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;W[ne]C[Ljys [2d\]: o15...
Kanin [6d\]: whaaaat?
Kanin [6d\]: what a special move
Backflash [6k?\]: confidence?
Backflash [6k?\]: free r9 for b?
Ljys [2d\]: experiment? 
fey [3d\]: oh
fey [3d\]: interesting
fey [3d\]: w must have read it out completely
Psychopath [-\]: Why? It's a common shape.
Kanin [6d\]: is it? I can't say I've seen it before
Kanin [6d\]: but I guess it's at least not bad
fey [3d\]: well not for me. b6 looks quite frightening move to me
Psychopath [-\]: Haven't seen o15? You must be kidding.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w could even trade
fey [3d\]: but if w is totally sure it's alive then o15 is a good move
Ljys [2d\]: Not to critisize or anything. I'm exited to see this. But this is again those moves which i would never come to think about..
fey [3d\]: psychopath: i was talking about lower left corner
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the topright thickness if p16 is killed is worth so ridiculously much, spoils b top, and provides synergy with k9 group
Ootakamoku [2d\]: in comparison bottom left is just points
Bolko [2d\]: no way trade :D
fey [3d\]: it's not a trade. w would lose too much
Bolko [2d\]: if b6 b7 looks like it works, maybe
Ootakamoku [2d\]: bottom left is worth barely 20 points
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;B[bn]
;W[cn]C[Bolko [2d\]: or just this :D
Bolko [2d\]: huh, barely 20?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: the area is omstly dame
Psychopath [-\]: More than 30 if it dies.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ok, 25 :P
Ootakamoku [2d\]: still peanuts
Koukkaaja [3d\]: merely the ponnuki is worth 30
Bolko [2d\]: didnt we discuss at moves worth over 20 at the camp :P
Kanin [6d\]: looks like it lives clean?
]
;B[bm]
;W[bo]
;B[bs]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Camp?
grag: you've been to a go concentration camp?
SimbaRules [1d\]: And moves worth over 20?
Bolko [2d\]: to pro's its not an option to give nor do they think twice about taking that big moves
Koffein [-\]: in "get strong at the endgame" moves worth >20 are just described as >20 :)
Beauty [2d?\]: c7 
Beauty [2d?\]: w is alive
SimbaRules [1d\]: C7/D4 are miai, white won't play either.
SimbaRules [1d\]: A2 probably best locally.
Beauty [2d?\]: no lol
SimbaRules [1d\]: No?
Beauty [2d?\]: w has to c7
]
;W[ar]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: Why?
Bolko [2d\]: :D
SimbaRules [1d\]: White A2, yeah.
SimbaRules [1d\]: This is fine lol.
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;B[qc]C[SimbaRules [1d\]: C7/D4 miai.
Beauty [2d?\]: now gote
]
;W[rc]C[Bolko [2d\]: so did black misread or did he just wanted those moves in sente?
]
;B[pc]C[Koffein [-\]: it was a big reduction in sente
Koffein [-\]: prolly a bit too early, but still big :)
Psychopath [-\]: It wasn't sente.
]
;W[qm]C[Psychopath [-\]: If black knew that white wouldn't answer to D8, there's no way he would have played it.
Bolko [2d\]: finally we see anttis moyo, not a game without a moyo
fey [3d\]: yeah. i think that d8 was a mistake. quite big move but w would not play it himself yet
fey [3d\]: so b should tenuki and come back later
]
;B[oe]C[Psychopath [-\]: It was about 10 point gote + got b1 in sente.
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;W[of]
;B[nf]
;W[me]
;B[ng]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: b will have to overplay a bit now to catch up
fey [3d\]: 10 points in gote and a couple more (about 5?) in sente after that is still too small at this point in my opinion
Psychopath [-\]: Of course it is.
fey [3d\]: well, not a big figth started so b has a good chance to catch up
fey [3d\]: now
fey [3d\]: i can't write :|
Ljys [2d\]: o17 looks nice for w later
]
;W[re]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: white thinks he is winning
Bolko [2d\]: ? to me s15 only move
]
;B[mc]C[Bolko [2d\]: or did u get that feeling from somewhere else
kaenni [1k?\]: which one of the players is which?
Mitani92 [3d\]: the young one is antti
kaenni [1k?\]: kthx
on1 [11k\]: did they have lunchbreak or what?
grag: on1: how so?
on1 [11k\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live no players around board
grag: ah, perhaps they went to settle this fight outside
]
;W[lf]
;B[oh]
;W[mh]
;B[qh]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w r13 to prevent b r14?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: are players allowed to stop the clock and take a lunch break if they both agree to it?
SimbaRules [1d\]: Can always give up those two stones if needs be.
SimbaRules [1d\]: White S18 or R18 maybe, hmm.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: simba, give up cutting stones, urm.. no
SimbaRules [1d\]: Hahaha. I'm on my lunch break, let's just pretend you didn't hear that :) .
SimbaRules [1d\]: Re: lunch break, presumably they are allowed to eat at the board.
SimbaRules [1d\]: We are allowed that in tournaments in my country :) .
Bolko [2d\]: I dont think its allowed to stop the clocks, tho I've done it
SimbaRules [1d\]: Maybe Q11 peep.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Then followed by S13.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Black kinda heavy.
Arctic [5d\]: q11 not good, black plays r14 
SimbaRules [1d\]: Though hmm, black R13 in response to white Q11.
SimbaRules [1d\]: Ah, R14? Okay.
fey [3d\]: well, good or not, w peeped q11
]
;W[pi]
;B[qf]C[groobiest [3k?\]: oof, complicated
]
;W[rf]
;B[ph]C[Bolko [2d\]: its always complicated
]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]C[Joneleth [5k\]: Hi gailu
]
;W[rb]
;B[ld]C[diva [3d\]: m16 kill me if you can ?
]
;W[qj]
;B[oi]
;W[mj]C[gruenwald [2d\]: 90 moves in 4 hours....
]
;B[pk]C[SIsaimon [2d\]: what's the remaining time/player pls?
KiraLNear [3d\]: 150:00 both
Kraken [-\]: they play at exhausting speed
fey [3d\]: it's getting exiting
]
;W[pj]
;B[oj]
;W[qk]
;B[lg]
;W[mg]
;B[mf]
;W[le]
;B[kg]C[EGC2013b [?\]: I am sorry Pro came in and I had to say hi
EGC2013b [?\]: :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: nice, both locally dead
on1 [11k\]: hi
]
;W[je]C[groobiest [3k?\]: m15 deader?
fey [3d\]: something big is going to die
fhgfgffff: L11
Koukkaaja [3d\]: which one is a deader
grag: this game doesn't seem to be ending in a point victory..
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p16 being slightly weak helps w get more liberties
fey [3d\]: not so easy for b to attack w k15 group
EGC2013b [?\]: clocktime
fey [3d\]: if l16 or so w plays k14 and if b k14 or so w l16 is a good move
Arctic [5d\]: n9, then q8 for black
EGC2013b [?\]: Tormanen Antti 0:18
EGC2013b [?\]: Ondriej Silt 0:34
broskev [4k\]: Ondrej (Ondřej) is the correct name
Ootakamoku [2d\]: l16 k13 I think
]
;B[jf]
;W[kd]
;B[kb]C[goren2 [2k\]: is Ogdrej winning?
fey [3d\]: very hard to say. who wins this battle, wins the game
goren2 [2k\]: ok tks
]
;W[ie]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: looks like b has 8 libs, if w gets sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho b can always make it a ko
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, missread, b has more libs, 10? even if w plays first
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b m11 has been played
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and answered with n11
fey [3d\]: b peeps m11. cant' w just o12?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: fey, m11 o12 p13 o10 j14 h15 o9 and then n10 ahs a liberty problem of its own?
]
;B[pl]
;W[hg]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: urm, where is w territory?
goren2 [2k\]: i count b like 35 right now
fey [3d\]: w has to capture something to win
fey [3d\]: i think
]
;B[li]
;W[mi]
;B[ih]C[goren2 [2k\]: i assume he will capture r3 corner
fey [3d\]: most likely
SIsaimon [2d\]: in Soviet Russia r3 corner captures you
goren2 [2k\]: in soviet russia r33 captures you.
]
;W[hh]
;B[ii]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: w wants to play r8 surely.. but b j14 h14 h15 will ruin the plans
]
;W[ql]
;B[nk]
;W[ki]C[Hellhuman [-\]: if b lose this, he can forget to join top 8 probably?
Psychopath [-\]: Why isn't Ondrej in the top group?
grag: he forgot to return the contract sheet promising that he plays the whole tournament
Psychopath [-\]: Oh you have to make a promise? What happens if someone breaks it?
SIsaimon [2d\]: you die
grag: possibly the person will be void to enter the knockout... dunno
SIsaimon [2d\]: egf spec ops will come for you
Ootakamoku [2d\]: banned from next year egc would be my guess
Koukkaaja [3d\]: banned from kgs kibitz
klausP [7d?\]: I think if he loses here and wins next round he will still be in the playof 
]
;B[ll]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: they sure are making it complicated
SIsaimon [2d\]: problem is he has of course the lowest sos of all
]
;W[kk]C[klausP [7d?\]: yes i know
Minininja [1d\]: q13 
klausP [7d?\]: still he will probably make it with 1:1
moro123 [1d\]: game looks good for w now...
grag: I lost any clue what's going on anymore..
moro123 [1d\]: h4 needs eyes
SIsaimon [2d\]: b looks like he isn't alive anywhere
Ootakamoku [2d\]: q9 needs eyes too
moro123 [1d\]: true
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and if it goes to liberties w wins
grag: l9 and m15 need eyes too
Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho then again, r10 needs eyes too
moro123 [1d\]: I feel w still has advatage here...hard to tell
fey [3d\]: if they were top pros no one would die and another player wins by couple of points :)
barrskog [1d\]: this game wont forgive any misstakes :)
Minininja [1d\]: wouldnt be a nice exchange r10 for h4 
Minininja [1d\]: so w has the initiative imo
Ootakamoku [2d\]: also, Im not convinced h4 doesnt have eyes
akairyuu [2d?\]: agreed, H4 is too big to be killed. lots of potential eyespace
moro123 [1d\]: usually living is not a problem..living in sente is
]
;B[hf]C[Minininja [1d\]: huge
Ootakamoku [2d\]: huge or desperate? I rly cant say
moro123 [1d\]: too complicated
fey [3d\]: mm. now w k13, sacrifices upper side and kills lower side
ThiGar [3k\]: b looks ahead
EGC2013b [?\]: hello
]
;W[jb]
;B[lb]C[ThiGar [3k\]: hello
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and now w needs to play something like p7 or s11
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, maybe o7, not sure
ThiGar [3k\]: How come with 5 victories, M. Silt is only eight?
goren2 [2k\]: l17
hfdtd [1d\]: he is not in super group
ThiGar [3k\]: so if he wins this one, he still will be far?
]
;W[ic]C[hfdtd [1d\]: he started with 1 MacMahon point less
Koukkaaja [3d\]: can he still be in the finals though not signing the paper?
goren2 [2k\]: what paper?
hfdtd [1d\]: the super group consists of 32 players
ThiGar [3k\]: how does one earn McMahon points, after all he is 6d like many others
hfdtd [1d\]: but it's indeed strange, that Ondrej is not in this group
Sheriffi [-\]: what's so strange about it?
JonSnow [4d\]: yeah he can be in the finals
Koukkaaja [3d\]: I mean can he escape the final without any consequences?
goren2 [2k\]: what paper???
Ootakamoku [2d\]: goren2, the paper
JonSnow [4d\]: lol would be fun kookkaaja
I8thAngel [2d\]: the paper to end all papers
ThiGar [3k\]: is the McMahon pnt earning process transparent?
hfdtd [1d\]: maybe he didn't want to guarrentee to play all 10 rounds
goren2 [2k\]: The Paper...> Surely not that one???
hfdtd [1d\]: or he arrived too late
Ootakamoku [2d\]: would be epic if he played himself to the finals, then just skipped it
rinpa [2d\]: yes thigar, you win a game you gain a point
Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes, like, "hey blokes, I never promised nothing"
goren2 [2k\]: and made a paper airplane of the paper and flew on it to morocco
ThiGar [3k\]: How does this pre-tournament MCMahon pts earning system work?!
grag: just google mcmahon, you'll find the rigirous explanation there
derpity: with winks
akairyuu [2d?\]: thigar players are divided into groups of strength by assigning points. the super group gets most points and every group after that 1 point less than the stronger group one did
Ootakamoku [2d\]: most simplistic way is that you get mcmahon points directly based on you starting rank
I8thAngel [2d\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon_system_tournament
ThiGar [3k\]: will it explain me the numbers given to this tournament players?
goren2 [2k\]: PAPER!!! WHAT PAPER!!!
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and supergroup gets 1 more than highest non super group
hfdtd [1d\]: 20kyu start with 0 points
hfdtd [1d\]: 19 kyu with 1 point
Koukkaaja [3d\]: goren, don't be rude :)
hfdtd [1d\]: and so on
JonSnow [4d\]: only issue for Silt is that he has a crappy sos
Koukkaaja [3d\]: He just sending SOS to the world
derpity: you know nothing..
goren2 [2k\]: sombody tell methe answer or I will Silt my wrists...
rinpa [2d\]: thigar: but placement in the top group is contingent on a promise to play all the rounds, something that ondrej silt neglected to do
Trumelunki [3d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?McMahonPairing
Ootakamoku [2d\]: because he has worse sos, he can only afford to lose 1 game
hfdtd [1d\]: under 20 kyu is also 0 ponits
ThiGar [3k\]: thx goren & Angel
akairyuu [2d?\]: sos is purposeless as long as you keep on winning
JonSnow [4d\]: yeah i think one win and he will at least qualify to the playoffs
]
;B[hb]C[goren2 [2k\]: why am I being thanked?  I wanna thank someone who will tell me the answer... please...what paper...
swaggman [3d\]: did someone count?
asw: wow
rinpa [2d\]: goren, a paper pledging to play all the rounds
Ootakamoku [2d\]: urm.. actually, just realized, he might not afford to lose any games, because all those in super group with 5 wins 2 losses might not qualify, depending on how the games go. which menas he needs 1 more as he didnt start from supergroup, and because of bad sos he cant even be in the bottom tier, hence all wins to qualify?
hfdtd [1d\]: but this year everybody started 10 points more
goren2 [2k\]: thank you rinpa. My life is not complete.  
hfdtd [1d\]: i dont know why
goren2 [2k\]: now
myrtle [4d\]: your logic is correct oota
hfdtd [1d\]: but it doesnt disturb the order
JonSnow [4d\]:  6/7 and he will have a qualifying game on wednesday at least
swaggman [3d\]: this game started 5 hours ago
Ootakamoku [2d\]: jonsnow, sos doesnt matter?
hfdtd [1d\]: thus a 1dan started with 30 points
ThiGar [3k\]: ok, i read swiss system has problems with early rounds, but here we have 10 rounds, it should balance quickly, so why not the swiss system?
JonSnow [4d\]: yes 
hfdtd [1d\]: and a 4dan with 33 points
]
;W[kc]C[hfdtd [1d\]: all players above 4dan start also with 33 points
JonSnow [4d\]: but if you are 10th and the 7th has the same mms as you, both play a game on wednesday to decide who qualifies
]
;B[nb]C[asw: so Pavol missed the chance to play in final by loosing to Fan?
JonSnow [4d\]: no
myrtle [4d\]: say 5 ppl are level in 7th what would they do?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g17 g18 f17 f18 j14 j13 f13?
hfdtd [1d\]: but because they are soo many, they select 32 of the strongest players
hfdtd [1d\]: to give them 1 extra point
JonSnow [4d\]: they compare 1/16, 2/15, 3/14 ...
hfdtd [1d\]: this is the super group
myrtle [4d\]: i think if 5 ppl are level in 7th the need to qualifying rounds :p
]
;W[nh]
;B[og]C[myrtle [4d\]: two*
hfdtd [1d\]: all of the favorites should be in there
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o12 timesuji?
ThiGar [3k\]: but Silt is 6d, are there more than 32 6 dans!?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: supergroup is based on gors
myrtle [4d\]: silt didnt register for supergroup
hfdtd [1d\]: no
hfdtd [1d\]: he is one of the favorites
JonSnow [4d\]: so if 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th have same mms, 7 and 10 play a qualifying game, so are 8 and 9, but 11 is eliminated
swaggman [3d\]: anyone knows if dinerstein won?
myrtle [4d\]: thx jonsnow :)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: doesnt g17 just work?
hfdtd [1d\]: thats why i dont understand this exception
julbla [4k\]: we don't know swagg
]
;W[gb]C[hfdtd [1d\]: so he didnt want to be in the super group
hfdtd [1d\]: ok
ThiGar [3k\]: why in the world would he not register for supergroup if he was intitled, thus getting the all important McMahon extra point?
hfdtd [1d\]: why?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, this should live too
akairyuu [2d?\]: probably did, but fumbled registration
myrtle [4d\]: registration was early, he missed it
ThiGar [3k\]: ok
JonSnow [4d\]: he had an easy pairing so far
hfdtd [1d\]: ah
JonSnow [4d\]: maybe some kind of submarine strategy
derpity: silt is 2-1 against antti
goantti [?\]: nice move :-)
Ootakamoku [2d\]: he has just gotten lucky
hfdtd [1d\]: maybee because silt is longer 6d than antti
derpity: true
]
;B[hc]C[logodude [3d\]: whos winning?
logodude [3d\]: *_*
]
;W[gc]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: flip a coin
logodude [3d\]: uhh
pivoglotov [6k?\]: friendship
SIsaimon [2d\]: more like fatality comming
Ootakamoku [2d\]: h16 h15 g16 g15 f16 j14 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wonder what b is reading
Ootakamoku [2d\]: playing h17
Kanin [6d\]: as I understand it he forgot to hand it in time, something like he assumed he could hand it in whenever or that they would ask him for it
fuzhou [5d\]: yes, looks wrong
swaggman [3d\]: they should play around R7 and Q8 groups
Koukkaaja [3d\]: keep on going b, h16
Ootakamoku [2d\]: a resign here wouldnt totaly suprise me
logodude [3d\]: nahh
logodude [3d\]: black falied killing this group
hfdtd [1d\]: white is secure now
sylvain [2d?\]: ThiGar, inside the top group, a McMahon pairing is almost the same as a swiss system.
grag: of course no resign
]
;B[hd]
;W[he]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: whoaa
moro123 [1d\]: b hallucinating
hfdtd [1d\]: so black seems to have mor problems on the board left than white
Ootakamoku [2d\]: a slightly bigger topleft corner in sente, in return for giving up g14 stones
Ootakamoku [2d\]: could ko it
moro123 [1d\]: surely w is happy 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g16 g15 j14 f16 f17 f18 e18 
daveminion [?\]: well ko is painful for both
swaggman [3d\]: b taking sente points
Minininja [1d\]: g16 j14 g15 j13 
swaggman [3d\]: then R5
Ootakamoku [2d\]: r5 for whom?
swaggman [3d\]: b
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p10 not in all that good shape
Ootakamoku [2d\]: still kinda like has 1.5 eyes only
]
;B[gd]C[swaggman [3d\]: believe in the czech
ThiGar [3k\]: ko at e17?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: very very expensive ko
rinpa [2d\]: w could j14 now to chicken out
Kanin [6d\]: swaggman, hah, that's for little kids
Ootakamoku [2d\]: there wont be any threats for that ko
goatsunday [5k\]: what does white do after b s5?
]
;W[if]C[Kanin [6d\]: I think I was like 10 when I learned the Czech isn't real
]
;B[ge]
;W[ig]C[hfdtd [1d\]: so white was afraid of that ko
disturbing [1d\]: huh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: j14 not a bit soft?
CageyS [2d?\]: Czech b out
Ootakamoku [2d\]: wasnt the ko super heavy for b?
disturbing [1d\]: does that mean antti thinks he's leading?
]
;B[jh]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: nah, czechs lose to finns in ice hockey, wife carrying and go, every day
fey [3d\]: it means he thinks he's killing
swaggman [3d\]: czech republic is swagg land
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w alive in sente atleast
Ootakamoku [2d\]: o7 for fun, but I guess something calm more likely
Ootakamoku [2d\]: maybe s4?
fey [3d\]: alive is not enough at this point. w has to make points
Welvang [6d\]: so long game
]
;W[gi]C[CageyS [2d?\]: lots of ladies to Czech out in Prague
SIsaimon [2d\]: Czech our beer stats you fools
]
;B[ej]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, killing h10 gives a few points
swaggman [3d\]: too long can you feeeel it
]
;W[bj]C[ThiGar [3k\]: k13
]
;B[kf]
;W[ke]C[KiraLNear [3d\]: L14?
KiraLNear [3d\]: yeah
KiraLNear [3d\]: that one
asw: f12
]
;B[fh]C[hfdtd [1d\]: wow
moro123 [1d\]: hmm...
hfdtd [1d\]: black is still hunting
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w messed up
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w messed up in a way as in.. resign before next move
nanotech [2k\]: g11 was what?
JonSnow [4d\]: g11 was a little too much
KiraLNear [3d\]: I don't know what was white thinking? was G11 really necessary?
Trumelunki [3d\]: I think Antti should have played j14 just after h17 
Ootakamoku [2d\]: or he could have played k13 instead of g11
]
;W[ei]
;B[fi]
;W[gj]C[hfdtd [1d\]: yes
asw: I wonder why white didnt exchange connection intead saving two stones
swaggman [3d\]: should have played G15 before J14
Ootakamoku [2d\]: g9...
]
;B[gk]
;W[fj]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: g12 h11 j10 
]
;B[gh]C[disturbing [1d\]: what on earth
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w resign sequence
blackman [1d\]: g7 w
]
;W[hi]C[Minininja [1d\]: f13 didnt connect?
Wagaboo [2k\]: g7  double cut men
swaggman [3d\]: j10
CageyS [2d?\]: hopeless semeai at best
KiraLNear [3d\]: but is it enough?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, w last hope is probably the g7 trade, but.. dont think its enough
]
;B[ik]C[asw: at least exchange due g7?
globax [3d\]: e8 ko cut ?
on1 [11k\]: l12
]
(;W[fm]
;B[fl])
(;W[fk]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[globax [3d\]: 8)
Jermelle [-\]: ouch
Zen19E [6d\]: e8
]
;B[gl]C[Zen19E [6d\]: ..
fey [3d\]: oh!
SIsaimon [2d\]: ?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: weird
swaggman [3d\]: omg a talking bot
CageyS [2d?\]: ko...
]
;W[el]C[fey [3d\]: ko for everything
moro123 [1d\]: huh
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b would be ahead even without ko..
]
;B[em]C[SIsaimon [2d\]: don't understand
globax [3d\]: fast playing
Jermelle [-\]: K12
swaggman [3d\]: donde son las menaces blancas
Sheriffi [-\]: yay Antti
Ootakamoku [2d\]: and if w indeed wanted to play a ko like this, then just play e17 ko instead
CageyS [2d?\]: this threatens c3 too :\\
]
;W[kh]C[Jermelle [-\]: knew it /o/
goren2 [2k\]: zen is speaky?  Wowi!
KiraLNear [3d\]: well, it's the only way to win
globax [3d\]: should have counted semeai after w h7 ut
]
;B[jg]
;W[el]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: tho this ko is super scary for b too
Mukti [4d\]: This is much better than white than playinh h7. h7 would leave b far ahead.
goren2 [2k\]: w must win
]
;B[in]C[sampard [3d?\]: wasnt B capturing f 7 sente against the corner?
globax [3d\]: m8
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w still has local ko threats
KiraLNear [3d\]: tenuki now?
swaggman [3d\]: too many weak groups
JonSnow [4d\]: shouldn't b ignore first threat then kill c3?
goren2 [2k\]: ignore
Mukti [4d\]: Yes, but the corner can be discarded. B wins big.
goatsunday [5k\]: why did b connect at g8 instead fo e8?
]
;W[em]C[goren2 [2k\]: ignore thenkill p12
]
;B[jo]C[moro123 [1d\]: yeah
]
;W[jn]
;B[jp]C[hfdtd [1d\]: now whites center is also very weak
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p7?
goren2 [2k\]: p7?
PaYPPPP [4k\]: isnt it everything dead now?
swaggman [3d\]: b ahaed
Mukti [4d\]: B well ahead in cash, center weak, right side weak, tall order for w.
globax [3d\]: o7?
TaksiMies [2d?\]: who plays here
]
;W[on]
;B[pg]C[arunasr [?\]: why didnt B K6 and then kill the middle?
]
;W[pe]C[zachary9k [3k?\]: b+r
myrtle [4d\]: w cant kill this
globax [3d\]: o7 vital point
Mukti [4d\]: B must make sure not to die here.
goren2 [2k\]: b will die a horrible  death
on1 [11k\]: TaksiMies: Törmänen vs Silt
myrtle [4d\]: yes o7 shining
goatsunday [5k\]: w can die trying
globax [3d\]: b alive
ohlord [1d\]: 1. try to kill and than resign :-)
TaksiMies [2d?\]: thnx
]
;B[nm]C[globax [3d\]: 8)
hfdtd [1d\]: bravo
Ootakamoku [2d\]: p4
myrtle [4d\]: m3
XY0908 [-\]: is Juri or Juuso playing in this tournament? Sorry for the interruption.
donkisot [7d?\]: who is leading? 
]
;W[op]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: xy, yes, both area
RBerenguel [5k?\]: Juri is
ThiGar [3k\]: o7 preparing L6 cut?
Mitani92 [3d\]: n6
ohlord [1d\]: but i want take the w stones now ( but not the b against antti too) :-))
XY0908 [-\]: Thank you.
globax [3d\]: p3-n6-s11
]
;B[oq]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: p8 
myrtle [4d\]: n6 needed it seems
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm, maybe not.. m7?
]
;W[om]C[Mukti [4d\]: Very tricky position, does b have suff. aji to make two eyes after wS11?
]
;B[ol]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: n7 now
Ootakamoku [2d\]: n7 to fix l6 cut, while geting miai on o10 and s11..
myrtle [4d\]: oh s11 is zero eyes, i misread and thought is was half
]
;W[mk]C[myrtle [4d\]: then maybe antti is ok
Ootakamoku [2d\]: huh, how is it zero eyes?
disturbing [1d\]: doesn't b s11 now...?
]
;B[ml]C[myrtle [4d\]: oh it is half lol i am blinf
Mukti [4d\]: yes, this is actually very dangerous for black.
disturbing [1d\]: oh
Kanin [6d\]: s11 of course half eye
disturbing [1d\]: o10 still
swaggman [3d\]: i'm scared
goren2 [2k\]: s11?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b has two half eyes + cut now
]
;W[mn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: so w just fix cut and win
swaggman [3d\]: s11 k6
Ootakamoku [2d\]: like that
myrtle [4d\]: yeah maybe antti is ok
KiraLNear [3d\]: N6 is antti's haenga skills?
myrtle [4d\]: fingers crossed
Ootakamoku [2d\]: game over, w+res
]
;B[ri]
;W[nj]C[moro123 [1d\]: go Antti!
goren2 [2k\]: dead!
moro123 [1d\]: kill kill kill
Pl4typus [7k\]: Sweet!
KiraLNear [3d\]: b was hoping for T13 sente
Ootakamoku [2d\]: would have prefered s10 over o10
litlecolek [1d\]: l7
daveminion [?\]: go ANTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
quipu [3k\]: hmm, m15 have only 8 dame...
daveminion [?\]: b dead
vaansama [2d?\]: no need to flood daveminion
KiraLNear [3d\]: ootakamoku, maybe is s10, then T13 sente against the corner
vaansama [2d?\]: thx
Pl4typus [7k\]: this was very nicely pulled off
KiraLNear [3d\]: so O10 better
shusai [3k\]: q7
myrtle [4d\]: o10 seems ok, saves having to throw a stone inside b in gote
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;B[rj]
;W[rk]C[myrtle [4d\]: nice kiralnear
Mukti [4d\]: T10 now
BoSunHac [4d\]: s9 seems wrong
Mukti [4d\]: That sets up the cut at Q7
SColbert [4d\]: barely works
myrtle [4d\]: q7 no good cos of r11 liberty right?
SIsaimon [2d\]: how can something barely work? :-D
sagesse [-\]: is black dead?
goren2 [2k\]: means almost didnt work
Ootakamoku [2d\]: sisaimon, it only works if you give it to a dan player
BoSunHac [4d\]: hehe
myrtle [4d\]: t10 t12 q7 q6 r6 r5 s6 s5 s7 s8 t8 t6 
myrtle [4d\]: for example
Mukti [4d\]: Actually w has one lib too many so it does not work at all ;-(
Ootakamoku [2d\]: XD
goren2 [2k\]: o6!
Minininja [1d\]: yes sagesse
myrtle [4d\]: gooooooo antti
Mukti [4d\]: B must be full of regrets now...
Pl4typus [7k\]: i'd like to see this match live
Ootakamoku [2d\]: time for a boradflip?
guiguistar [2d\]: w surrounding b but has no much eye either...
Minininja [1d\]: http://egc2013.go.art.pl/page/live
goren2 [2k\]: the famous boardflip tesuji?
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;B[pd]
;W[qe]C[ichbinvale [2k\]: byomi?
Pl4typus [7k\]: thanks minininja
Pl4typus [7k\]: now i can see the boardflip live
Hellhuman [-\]: ko?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: t10 played
KiraLNear [3d\]: and T12
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;B[sj]
;W[sh]C[ThiGar [3k\]: o6
Ootakamoku [2d\]: t13 not even sente against topright
Mukti [4d\]: B could try an all out semeai.
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ohwell, it was played anyways
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;B[sg]C[Mukti [4d\]: But so few libs...
fbp [7d\]: it is sente
nepal999 [1d?\]: w 7ish liberties, b 8/9, so black wins. right?
myrtle [4d\]: it is sente for ko
Demon [3d\]: if w ignores, b can just t15?
Minininja [1d\]: when b had the chance to play the semeai and kill w he let him live ....
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;W[sf]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: oh
myrtle [4d\]: actually just for dead
SIsaimon [2d\]: b preparing absolute semeai?
SColbert [4d\]: q7
swaggman [3d\]: m7
Mukti [4d\]: M7- push at O7, Q5-P5-R6 to set up a semeai?
disturbing [1d\]: what's an absolute semeai
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;B[sd]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: s16 since only semeai matters
Ootakamoku [2d\]: ?
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;W[sc]C[myrtle [4d\]: b looking at s19 lols? :)
swaggman [3d\]: t17 is strange
Ootakamoku [2d\]: why not atleast ask r14 first?
vaansama [2d?\]: do not work anyway
SImikin [1k\]: :/
Ootakamoku [2d\]: could make b waste a ko threat
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;B[lm]C[Shunsun [8k\]: b will lost its first game ?
Hellhuman [-\]: isnt l15 dead anyway?
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;W[km]C[guiguistar [2d\]: w isnt eyed
myrtle [4d\]: maybe b can make a mighty seki :p
svartrev [?\]: @Hellhuman: no, e9 is
Ootakamoku [2d\]: this size seki would be epic
disturbing [1d\]: not exactly, hell human
myrtle [4d\]: i dont really believe it at all but it would be funny
SImikin [1k\]: jj
swaggman [3d\]: come on ondrej kill
KiraLNear [3d\]: how much time left?
derpity: kill ondrej*
myrtle [4d\]: r6
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;B[qn]C[myrtle [4d\]: yatta
moro123 [1d\]: desperation
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w probably already in byomi
swaggman [3d\]: teach him
aham [6k\]: blanc est violent
guiguistar [2d\]: r13 lib only is ko reachable...
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;W[pm]C[swaggman [3d\]: il a plus le choix
derpity: antti uses a lot of time
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;B[rm]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: guigistar, sure but how many steps?
nepal999 [1d?\]: is this the last round?
daveminion [?\]: speak english
Ootakamoku [2d\]: s6 would be normal here
Ootakamoku [2d\]: but maybe just j9?
SIsaimon [2d\]: interesting, isn't it?
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;W[rn]C[Ootakamoku [2d\]: ah, s6 was played
bensenseii [-\]: English isn't mandatory, dave
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;B[ro]C[myrtle [4d\]: well the game is in the EGR :p
Ootakamoku [2d\]: lol
Mukti [4d\]: M12 now, to make an eye, probably.
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;W[nn]C[vaansama [2d?\]: ...
myrtle [4d\]: eye only useful for seki
myrtle [4d\]: if killing no need to make eye
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;B[sk]
;W[sl]
;B[sn]C[guiguistar [2d\]: huge semedori at least
Ootakamoku [2d\]: well, it helps in killing too in this case
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;W[rl]C[myrtle [4d\]: why?
Ootakamoku [2d\]: they have shared libs
Ootakamoku [2d\]: otherwise shared libs go to eye
myrtle [4d\]: they wont have shared libs if w is killing :)
goatsunday [5k\]: m13
SIsaimon [2d\]: not sure who is trying to kill whom
Ootakamoku [2d\]: hmm
Ootakamoku [2d\]: need to study semeais more
Ootakamoku [2d\]: w+res
fbp [7d\]: w win by so many
Ootakamoku [2d\]: b resigned
moro123 [1d\]: over
myrtle [4d\]: yes w far ahead
ThiGar [3k\]: m9
EGC2013b [?\]: B+RES
KiraLNear [3d\]: antti so strong
myrtle [4d\]: yay go anyyi
swaggman [3d\]: so sad
EGC2013b [?\]: sorry
EGC2013b [?\]: W+RES
Suvi [-\]: :D
vaansama [2d?\]: w*
kannikka [13k?\]: go ANTTI!!!!
moro123 [1d\]: great game
RBerenguel [5k?\]: :)
myrtle [4d\]: gg both
ichbinvale [2k\]: haha
swaggman [3d\]: eh?
KiraLNear [3d\]: anyyi is the best!
XY0908 [-\]: Thank you, EGC.
valius [-\]: yay
grag: GO GO GO ANTTI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RBerenguel [5k?\]: thanks EGC
OutOfOrder [1k\]: thanks EGC
swaggman [3d\]: w res?
on1 [11k\]: \\o/ antti
EGC2013b [?\]: Tormanen won
derpity: EGC you tried to give me a stroke
blurb1: both res?
Sheriffi [-\]: gg Antti
Mukti [4d\]: If w kills unconditionally he leads by about 15.
swaggman [3d\]: so it's tie right
KiraLNear [3d\]: so silt maybe has to win tomorrow?
kannikka [13k?\]: w won
RBerenguel [5k?\]: hi there Risto!
disturbing [1d\]: dang I wish you could rewind, I missed the resign
myrtle [4d\]: well as such its a multibulti step ko cos of r13+eye
myrtle [4d\]: but its a lot of multis
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