(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[1x30 byo-yomi] GN[Amsterdam Pandanet 2010 board 1 round 3]PW[Ye Tian]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[1p]BR[6d]DT[2010-05-14]PC[EGCC]US[HW9x9]C[qgo [4k\]: hi folks EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 dutch2dan [2d\]: round 4 already, Harry? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: euh.... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: watch closely dutch2dan [2d\]: did EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is 3^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all games have started, waiting for the Chinese pro dutch2dan [2d\]: Was worried about losing a day :) mooyo [11k\]: woah im so excited, can you feel the tension? where willt he first move be? 3-3? 4-4? and in wich corner?? LovroKlc [2k\]: upper right dutch2dan [2d\]: Both on 2:0? qgo [4k\]: play poker tomorrow evening Harry ? ] ;B[qd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes dutch2dan [2d\]: ty ] ;W[dc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx bolbi! bolbi [-\]: welcome dood [9k?\]: So this is IGS? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Mikinek [5k\]: go silt go:) MilanMilan [9d\]: hi qgo [4k\]: I hoped Peter B would be at board 1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Peter is on board 3 qgo [4k\]: hi MilanMilan, thanks for the lecture this morning dood [9k?\]: MilanMilan :D SqueezeIt [1d\]: I hope black will win ] ;B[dq] ;W[co]C[dood [-\]: diagonal game? :o ] ;B[pp]C[freaks21 [22k\]: edwiin?? Boogeyman [2k\]: diagonale game dood [-\]: :s A bit of an old style it seems... though Q4 is a 4-4 kooma: ooit mooyo [11k\]: what is with dai? he won the first 2 games too, didnt he? is he on board 2 now? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls tell me if something wrong with the sound or picture of the live tv stream dutch2dan [2d\]: hm dutch2dan [2d\]: Milan, can you comment on this game, pls? MilanMilan [9d\]: hehe Hattori [?\]: whats the time setting? elvard [3k\]: yes, what can you tell us about q4 move? :) dood [-\]: 1:30:00 TSFTD [7k\]: abs? nohoper [6k\]: it's ok.......I'll comment if anything interesting happens :P dood [-\]: 0:30 byo-yomi ] ;W[ep] ;B[eq] ;W[fp]C[dood [-\]: 1 period... according to the info ] ;B[gq] ;W[od]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: I was told that this setup isn't too good for b, high kakari in top right, followed b this move gives w too much advantage... dutch2dan [2d\]: w reversed the order, though shaula [1k\]: game already looks better for white ☺ dood [-\]: Black looks low nohoper [6k\]: w a bit thinner than b MilanMilan [9d\]: both okay celebrir [-\]: lower left is normal joseki Luffyop [1d\]: white need to add stones in bottom left coner to finish the joseki TSFTD [7k\]: i think b is fine dood [-\]: But now we'll see some kind of joseki that everyone below 6d won't understand Luffyop [1d\]: ? mzynr noy ^^ dutch2dan [2d\]: pincer now? Luffyop [1d\]: maybe not* Clasohlson [20k\]: what does 1p mean? mooyo [11k\]: just q15? mooyo [11k\]: or q17 Levvo [4k\]: 1 pro elvard [3k\]: ondra looks over-concentrated on the livestream :) oonicks [-\]: d15? TSFTD [-\]: clas, it means 1 pro Melenaus [6k\]: C14 :) Clasohlson [20k\]: thx TSFTD [-\]: as in 1-dan pro TSFTD [-\]: np Clasohlson [20k\]: y nohoper [6k\]: understanding is considarably easier than creating Luffyop [1d\]: Q15 and Q17 are too slow dood [-\]: I'd simply Q14 dood [-\]: Let white build up stuff... Josh2605 [17k\]: i dont think so on the it looks better for white i think its matters on how black responds now TSFTD [-\]: nohoper, anybody can make any move on the board... the difficult thing is to understand it isbhal [-\]: M16 dood [-\]: Then reduce/invade sbdfbdfd: how do i rewind moves back on KGS? celebrir [-\]: maybe N17 ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: view ofline mooyo [11k\]: if q15 is too slow i cheer for q14 TSFTD [-\]: this is a demo game, u cant rewind here Levvo [4k\]: Options -> Watch offline. LEI0724 [8d?\]: 野座这盘怼silt? dood [-\]: With this one, you have to clone it or view offline TSFTD [-\]: click options -> view offline to review Boogeyman [2k\]: n15 - secret move. isbhal [-\]: P17// ] ;B[oc] ;W[nc] ;B[pc] ;W[nd] ;B[qf] ;W[jd]C[TSFTD [-\]: im actually quite liking black here zak86rog [10k\]: seems like b needs a move on left side now ziggzagg: w 4th line, b 3rd line celebrir [-\]: like c14 ? ] ;B[ci]C[Josh2605 [17k\]: hey i was thinking d14 TSFTD [-\]: c11 is huh? Melenaus [6k\]: Why huh? TSFTD [-\]: d14 too high and far away i think josh Melenaus [6k\]: Whywhywhy TSFTD [-\]: melenaus -- huh cuz i dont get it nohoper [6k\]: c11 is an each way move Melenaus [6k\]: :) Josh2605 [17k\]: od move but he can extend to either side depending on white Melenaus [6k\]: Ok. CptHook [6k\]: i like more q10 Melenaus [6k\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 celebrir [-\]: and c11 allowes the shimari on the upper left which I won't allow. But I guess this only me Ignort [5k\]: white cant get much out of an approach, either way. c11 looks awesom elvard [3k\]: q10 is not good because of joseki in upper right... I think wopal [14k\]: prdm qrdym wrrghj K10 jug [4k?\]: left side seems bigger to me than right side at the moment TSFTD [-\]: i see no prob with q10 TSFTD [-\]: but probably better for b to play on l side BUM [7d\]: live broadcast doesnt work at all .. TSFTD [-\]: then again, i suck @ joseki elvard [3k\]: it works shaula [1k\]: it works fine nohoper [6k\]: if b gets c7/8 then w stones arent doing much mooyo [11k\]: for me it does TSFTD [-\]: personally i dont like c7/8 for b BUM [7d\]: really? BUM [7d\]: it write offline Josh2605 [17k\]: lol where is black on the live feed BUM [7d\]: *writes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hmm, strange Saiya [2k\]: if black played Q10, w's influence would be too usefull on the left, but w is still good TSFTD [-\]: video confirmed broken on chrome dev 5.xx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hmm Ignort [5k\]: black can neutralize points on left and make profit... i think disruption and speed is a good black plan. of course, i dont know... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok, i will close it and restart the live tv stream shaula [1k\]: but it works TSFTD [-\]: error code "invalid parameter (channelID/videoID) LeT63 [1d\]: it is working owle [20k\]: not at my computer Levvo [4k\]: Worked for me Ameise [2d\]: uaaa Melenaus [6k\]: livestream good for me too. BUM [7d\]: may be firefow problem? TSFTD [-\]: correction, chrome 6.0.4.0.1 Levvo [4k\]: Was good :P .. Josh2605 [17k\]: it says off air now BUM [7d\]: *firefox shaula [1k\]: eurogotv is restarting it TSFTD [-\]: chrome updated the dev chan without me noticing Josh2605 [17k\]: ok ] ;W[cg]C[TSFTD [-\]: working Melenaus [6k\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: restarted Melenaus [6k\]: workin' fine IGoofy [1d\]: i have already seen this live stream last week CptHook [6k\]: no sound no picture MilanMilan [9d\]: c13 is agressuve owle [20k\]: working fine EuroGoTV1 [-\]: grrrrr! TSFTD [-\]: good quality, if low frate MilanMilan [9d\]: agressive earthy [8k\]: works fine for me too TSFTD [-\]: what codec u using? elvard [3k\]: I have sound and picture gentil [4d\]: C13 is more gamble ? :) CptHook [6k\]: ok now TSFTD [-\]: eurogo, ur reboot fixed it for me LEI0724 [8d?\]: you mean greedy? gentil [4d\]: white build the top and seems saying : kill me if you can elurin [4k\]: working fine with firefox zaphodb [2d\]: milan what would be less aggressive? MilanMilan [9d\]: 才4 MilanMilan [9d\]: c14 duduu [5k\]: c14 ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so back to kibitzing and trolling^^ klausP [4d\]: btw: ist it usual to tenuki after g3? shaula [1k\]: black takes a long time to think, though we all know he will play C8. CptHook [6k\]: b knew what will happened and now he is thinking? Josh2605 [17k\]: c7 klausP [4d\]: shouldnt w play an extention like c10? shaula [1k\]: E11 played ] ;B[ei]C[LeT63 [1d\]: why not shimari? TSFTD [-\]: w c10 seems extremely aggressive zaphodb [2d\]: isn't c14 "neither fish nor fowl"? zak86rog [10k\]: seems like this will make the w corner stronger nohoper [6k\]: thats still each way move LEI0724 [8d?\]: milan,is this first board or second? Finnish8d [-\]: Lei, this is 1st board I think celebrir [-\]: read teh game title ;) LEI0724 [8d?\]: I see nohoper [6k\]: cos he can play c7 after e13 Luffyop [1d\]: D15 or E13 klausP [4d\]: wow, I would never play e11, alwasy c8 shaula [1k\]: E11 probably bad move EuroGoTV1 [-\]: actually.....on the game list it is second board, but we changed it TSFTD [-\]: this looks bad for b imo LEI0724 [8d?\]: how about Ericdai's game? ] ;W[eg]C[LEI0724 [8d?\]: I see EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Junfu is playing a 3 dan EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on board 2 shaula [1k\]: E11 is just helping white... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: which was board 1 CptHook [6k\]: e11 is probably ok because c13 is too far maybe? Josh2605 [17k\]: wow are they in europe doing this game nohoper [6k\]: w does have bottom left group klausP [4d\]: Milan Milan, can you explain, why c8 ist not important for both players? TSFTD [-\]: wish the game wasnt so slow... may not be able to stay up for it all LEI0724 [8d?\]: you are supposed to live this game^^ ] ;B[cl]C[TSFTD [-\]: lol klaus EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Josh2605 [17k\]: hahaha klaus Luffyop [1d\]: i don't feel good for white bottom left group... Josh2605 [17k\]: now white to do almost the same on the other side klausP [4d\]: whats so funny? Josh2605 [17k\]: oh no lol ] ;W[el]C[floresX07 [1d\]: was the e11 e13 exchange really good for b ? shaula [1k\]: let's ask like this, suppose black plays C8 first, and then white plays E13, would you follow white and play E11 ? klausP [4d\]: both ignored c8 for several moves g33ky [2d?\]: hi, all TSFTD [-\]: not imo flores mafutrct [-\]: klaus, maybe c13 c8 d9 ? klausP [4d\]: why e11 not c8? tarantula [10k\]: They are playing this game right now? How much time do they have? Tokee [4k\]: I guess 90 minutes... TSFTD [-\]: options -> rules klausP [4d\]: and why e13 not c9? MilanMilan [9d\]: I guessed w will play d9 MilanMilan [9d\]: would play d9, if b blocked MilanMilan [9d\]: w d11 Josh2605 [17k\]: i say e 6 nohoper [6k\]: i would play d6 here without even thinking which is why its prolly totally wrong:P TSFTD [-\]: d6 as b? klausP [4d\]: thx nohoper [6k\]: yep LEI0724 [8d?\]: As what I know about tian ye, he is good at taking advantage of opponent's defect tarantula [10k\]: Ok. Time just does not seem to be going down at all. TSFTD [-\]: i dont like d6 TSFTD [-\]: time will not go down, its a demo game ] ;B[bg]C[TSFTD [-\]: itd be impossible for the guy putting the game up here to time his moves exactly with the players moves CptHook [6k\]: d6 is nice move Luffyop [1d\]: E13 instead of C9 because wants to develop the top tarantula [10k\]: Ok. I will never finish this. So the guy plays as soon as the players play so we see it just after the player has played? tanoshi [1d\]: Why is a pro playing in this tournament now? TSFTD [-\]: imo w isnt formed enough for b to need d6 yet Lacrimosa [2d?\]: yes tarantula shaula [1k\]: yes tarantula awinwin [?\]: pk shaula [1k\]: why not? awinwin [?\]: pk Lacrimosa [2d?\]: i won awinwin [?\]: pk TSFTD [-\]: worst case, if w closes off d6 area, b can reduce from right using g3 awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk LEI0724 [8d?\]: what does this move mean? awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: k tarantula [10k\]: OK. Is it possible to see this another time as I will not have time to finish this now? awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pk zak86rog [10k\]: wow awesome awinwin [?\]: kpkp Lacrimosa [2d?\]: thanks for your contribution, awinwin awinwin [?\]: kp nohoper [6k\]: you can watch it on tv http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 awinwin [?\]: pk Luffyop [1d\]: somebody baned him please awinwin [?\]: pk Peiling [3d\]: stop spamming awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pkpk CptHook [6k\]: ban awinwin [?\]: pkp awinwin [?\]: k Adante [1d\]: an admin might want to pay attention awinwin [?\]: pk awinwin [?\]: pkp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: k TSFTD [-\]: just right click -> mute brindille [3k?\]: awinwin can u develop a little? awinwin [?\]: pkp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: kp awinwin [?\]: pkp awinwin [?\]: k awinwin [?\]: kpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkpkp sbdfbdfd: n1 TSFTD [-\]: er censor awinwin [?\]: by Levvo [4k\]: rightclick his name and censor Chochiken [4d\]: owned MilanMilan [9d\]: .... ] ;W[bf]C[Lacrimosa [2d?\]: tarantula, eurogotv1's games will be saved just like other accounts ] ;B[bh]C[Tokee [4k\]: ah useful options ] ;W[ce]C[tarantula [10k\]: Ok. Where do I find it afterwards to view it? TSFTD [-\]: b13 clever in that it allows b to develop eyespace in sent TSFTD [-\]: e Lacrimosa [2d?\]: user->view user's information TSFTD [-\]: though it precludes later invasion of the area brindille [3k?\]: hmmm... what did he mean by "pk" and "kp"... Lacrimosa [2d?\]: or kgs web archives elurin [4k\]: but stregtened white on top? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF g33ky [2d?\]: tarantule : you go in EuroGoTV1 's info, then in his game and you right click this one TSFTD [-\]: just spam, ignore it LEI0724 [8d?\]: B13 weird ] ;B[lb]C[Lacrimosa [2d?\]: i think the invasion became more difficult nohoper [6k\]: e15 might be useful invasion point later TSFTD [-\]: LEI, i assumed b used it to develop eyespace, am i incorrect? TSFTD [-\]: well, like i said, he sacrificed later invasion possibility for eyespace for his c11 group LEI0724 [8d?\]: Q16 cherisse [2k\]: isn't m18 early? maybe b can play on bottom first brindille [3k?\]: which would in turn help him to put pressure on c5 group ] ;W[mb] ;B[ld]C[Lacrimosa [2d?\]: that's why it's weird :p tarantula [10k\]: OK. Can on go there if EuroGoTV1 is not online? ] ;W[le]C[Ikuto [6k\]: stop Lacrimosa [2d?\]: yes you can ] ;B[ic]C[TSFTD [-\]: brindille, possibly -- possibly just to give him peace of mind so he doesnt need to worry about it marfg [2k\]: admin ? Josh2605 [17k\]: what is he doing TSFTD [-\]: invading TSFTD [-\]: and living Tokee [4k\]: nice LEI0724 [8d?\]: but it made w corner territory stable celebrir [-\]: maybe a little bit to soon ? CptHook [6k\]: b is aggresive but i think it's ok doesnt let w chance to attack song12 [8k\]: pk = Poker ? ] ;W[kd]C[TSFTD [-\]: b definately has the gloves off... hes not going easy on poor 6d Josh2605 [17k\]: hmmm though he would k 17 brindille [3k?\]: but if b lives there, b will have an early lead points wise klausP [4d\]: poor 6d? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 diesel [1d\]: klaus i like ur sense of humor celebrir [-\]: 6d is not going to show respect for the pro it seems ;P marfg [2k\]: 6d in panic. TSFTD [-\]: was half joking, and half referring to a 6d vs 1p shaula [1k\]: that's a big "if" brindille BUM [7d\]: nope Lacrimosa [2d?\]: i trust his judgement :) TSFTD [-\]: er lol BUM [7d\]: Ondrej will show czech rulez ! TSFTD [-\]: didnt realize b was 6d TSFTD [-\]: wow... thats ironic floresX07 [1d\]: f17 ? SqueezeIt [1d\]: and so will tomik :) nohoper [6k\]: L17 presumably ] ;B[id] ;W[ie]C[TSFTD [-\]: i like f17 Josh2605 [17k\]: 6d v 1p says alot if 6d wins on how good Ama can get ] ;B[he]C[qgo [4k\]: does Silt have an account on KGS ? ] ;W[hf]C[sbdfbdfd: chezks should be under german rule, imo :) Lacrimosa [2d?\]: Silt has had many but I don't know if he does currently Josh2605 [17k\]: i think thats a fight that would last a while lol abd sanjulorf [2k\]: marvelous w shows no fear ] ;B[ge]C[givusaqiki [4k\]: Silt = takanashi? TSFTD [-\]: this invasion doesnt really jive with the earlier b13 move tho TSFTD [-\]: had b not played there, he would have had a lot more threat generated by g15 qgo [4k\]: G 17 vital point ? anapazapa [2d\]: why, it totally jives Komugi [1d\]: amashi? TSFTD [-\]: then again, it secures c11 against the w wall forming so i guess it still works fine MilanMilan [9d\]: sry, left for a while brindille [3k?\]: g17 -> g14 ? Josh2605 [17k\]: ha lol g 17 nohoper [6k\]: b13 settled b left group alowing current invasion ] ;W[gc]C[TSFTD [-\]: l17 sente? MilanMilan [9d\]: G17 support to be the only move sanjulorf [2k\]: b baseless tanoshi [1d\]: shape crushed MilanMilan [9d\]: b has several chpice oonicks [-\]: i don't think g15 was fantastic cherisse [2k\]: b looks dying tarantula [10k\]: Where does one go to see eurogotv1's games if he is not online? TSFTD [-\]: nah, b can still live MilanMilan [9d\]: M17/F18/F17 Lacrimosa [2d?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF MilanMilan [9d\]: J15 seems overplayed MilanMilan [9d\]: but G15 too common TSFTD [-\]: tarantula, in kgs window go user -> view user's information -> type in eurogotv1 -> hit enter EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or the KGS archieves Taro [-\]: the game records are saved in his info EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/archives.jsp MilanMilan [9d\]: b should take G16 Koffein [-\]: or amsterdam tarantula [10k\]: Ok. Got that TSFTD [-\]: or add him to your fan list and pull it up from there tarantula [10k\]: Ok. How do I add to fan list? TSFTD [-\]: right click his name -> check fan box Tokee [4k\]: right click and there EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or you can pay me 200 euro and i will email them allways Luffyop [1d\]: LOL TSFTD [-\]: lol for 1000 euro i will hand-deliver it... greenrat [3k\]: I'll email for 180 euro MilanMilan [9d\]: H16 unneccessary Melenaus [6k\]: lol ] ;B[fb]C[Melenaus [6k\]: ???? tarantula [10k\]: An eye comes up. mooyo [11k\]: greebrat dumping worker MilanMilan [9d\]: directly take G16 is good enough mooyo [11k\]: n MilanMilan [9d\]: well Josh2605 [17k\]: f 17 Josh2605 [17k\]: or f 16 TSFTD [-\]: i dont have the video up anymore, but has b started smoking crack? MilanMilan [9d\]: it's not hard to make this group alive ] ;W[fc]C[Josh2605 [17k\]: \\told you TSFTD [-\]: its not that the moves are bad, but he keeps pulling out the weirdest moves MilanMilan [9d\]: but it's may hurt right corner ] ;B[gb]C[Josh2605 [17k\]: obvious oyoo [9k\]: he's crawling on 2nd oyoo [9k\]: for life Ibicus [1k\]: it looks to me that black is too much territry oriented... ] ;W[eb]C[TSFTD [-\]: h17 Josh2605 [17k\]: maybe j18 mooyo [11k\]: w gets what he wants in sente LEI0724 [8d?\]: milan, when B played M12, should w answer at Q16? MilanMilan [9d\]: b needs to exchange L17 Josh2605 [17k\]: why not set the camera above the game MilanMilan [9d\]: M12? Ignort [5k\]: g14 ? LEI0724 [8d?\]: M18 LEI0724 [8d?\]: sry TSFTD [-\]: is l17 sequence sente? shaula [1k\]: Josh, because you can see the game here. Thanks to the camera, we can also see the players, the room, etc. CptHook [6k\]: n15? LGLifeGood [1k\]: l17 MilanMilan [9d\]: l17 is fine Josh2605 [17k\]: whit is losing his lead now dutch2dan [2d\]: really? Josh2605 [17k\]: i think so tanoshi [1d\]: holy cow his head is like on the board TSFTD [-\]: not really zak86rog [10k\]: I think w still looking pretty sexy tanoshi [1d\]: think he needs some better glasses mooyo [11k\]: b prepares to jump on the board Tokee [4k\]: where was the link again? brindille [3k?\]: can he really see the global picture from 5 cm off the board? ^^ mooyo [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 mooyo [11k\]: this? Tokee [4k\]: thx mooyo [11k\]: np Josh2605 [17k\]: this isn't chess we know where the pieces are if you think of hitting the board Josh2605 [17k\]: people still watch this game lol BUM [7d\]: can b really live directly? brindille [3k?\]: he's trying to move some white stones with his nose Josh2605 [17k\]: breathe shaula [1k\]: the famous "nose" tesuji nanotech [2k\]: k15 nice Rgloaguen [5k\]: kgs player .... TSFTD [-\]: bum, i think so Lacrimosa [2d?\]: :D orntorenq: l17 alive? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 67 W70 minutes left tanoshi [1d\]: is there byoyomi? Lacrimosa [2d?\]: i don't want to see the belly tesuji then TSFTD [-\]: yes tanoshi greenkite [4k\]: he sitting like L TSFTD [-\]: 1x30 TSFTD [-\]: er 30x1 nohoper [6k\]: h17 better than L17 atm? orntorenq: 30x1? TSFTD [-\]: or whichever way you notate it orntorenq: 1 period of 30 seconds is harsh Luffyop [1d\]: what does mean atm ? Lacrimosa [2d?\]: at the moment TSFTD [-\]: 1.5 hr main time nohoper [6k\]: at the moment Josh2605 [17k\]: at the moment Luffyop [1d\]: thc ] ;B[lc]C[Luffyop [1d\]: thx* TSFTD [-\]: atmospheres, its a measure of atmospheric pressure brindille [3k?\]: is this better than l17? Josh2605 [17k\]: ok i know why he keeps leaving to hit that pipe huh TSFTD [-\]: no mooyo [11k\]: who is in the background? Josh2605 [17k\]: a go club i think Rgloaguen [5k\]: Dai junfu TSFTD [-\]: the rest of the tournament... Melenaus [6k\]: Merlijn Kuijn tanoshi [1d\]: creme of sum yung guy Luffyop [1d\]: did i see what i saw... ? black trying to eat the stones O-o anapazapa [2d\]: Meijin Monroe Josh2605 [17k\]: yeha tanoshi [1d\]: Black just sprinkled some magic dust across the board Josh2605 [17k\]: did you guys see his hand Josh2605 [17k\]: carpet surfing Ignort [5k\]: now it's a shirt-eating competition? brindille [3k?\]: he started biting on his own shoulder already TSFTD [-\]: its glue so w cant take his pieces off CptHook [6k\]: k18 kill b i think brindille [3k?\]: don't they feed the players at all?? Josh2605 [17k\]: yeah at lunch TSFTD [-\]: only when they win anapazapa [2d\]: theyre calledd stones MilanMilan [9d\]: tough to w orntorenq: if b is alive there then b is ahead? TSFTD [-\]: and yet they're often not stone... odd, huh? just9x9 [-\]: w n15 but it seems slow? nohoper [6k\]: m17 connects just as good as L7 but allows n15 nohoper [6k\]: so indirectly protects h16 TSFTD [-\]: nohoper, m17 doesnt give b as much space for life tho Josh2605 [17k\]: a battle is about to start brindille [3k?\]: doesn't m17 allow white L18 in the future though? Josh2605 [17k\]: a fast one tanoshi [1d\]: just N15 right? tanoshi [1d\]: why so much need to think TSFTD [-\]: the last time someone said that he played an entirely different move... Josh2605 [17k\]: f 15? Guichocha [2d\]: Why F15? MilanMilan [9d\]: Tian always think a long time Josh2605 [17k\]: stop black from moving farther in XY0908 [-\]: Peter, do you play slowly when you play serious games? LEI0724 [8d?\]: If w had answered at L17 at first, then b would taken profits? TSFTD [-\]: if you only think 1 move ahead, you've already lost... im sure thats a proverb somewhere tanoshi [1d\]: I guess O 14 might be good too LEI0724 [8d?\]: 不是包干制的比赛,不适合野座拍表 TSFTD [-\]: no, n15 > o14 Luffyop [1d\]: this is scary, there is not a single women (or at least, we can't see a single woman...) ^^ Josh2605 [17k\]: tenuki Tokee [4k\]: what kind of byoyomi do they use, btw? TSFTD [-\]: only o14 if you are positive that u can easily kill b as it does give a bit more influence externally TSFTD [-\]: 1x30 Josh2605 [17k\]: its europe its hard to tell the difference lo nohoper [6k\]: hmm b gone for a walk :) CptHook [6k\]: if w n15 b lives 1t h17 just9x9 [-\]: no pro would consider o14 i would say, they usually play the tight spots tanoshi [1d\]: Kill black? tanoshi [1d\]: black is alive son Sebastian [2k\]: i would just play h18 la la la just9x9 [-\]: 014 is for mid dans :) TSFTD [-\]: i know, thats why i said n15 was better... Josh2605 [17k\]: here it comes CptHook [6k\]: if w h18 b n15 run out Tokee [4k\]: so, what is the time for byoyomi? Shiruko [6k\]: What about l18 l17 k17 k18 j18 l19 h18 ? qgo [4k\]: Maeda would kill the b group brindille [3k?\]: what about M14 as an alternative to N15 / 14? tanoshi [1d\]: 1x30 TSFTD [-\]: scroll up tokee Tokee [4k\]: ah thanks Josh2605 [17k\]: tenuki tanoshi [1d\]: no m14 leaves cut EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will kill you tomorrow evening qgo TSFTD [-\]: yes m14 leaves too weak TSFTD [-\]: same with n16 FishGo [2k\]: Q16? Josh2605 [17k\]: better p 18 Luffyop [1d\]: and with n15 then ? Josh2605 [17k\]: not q 16 just9x9 [-\]: w can k15 then shiruko just9x9 [-\]: b sry Shiruko [6k\]: yes Shiruko [6k\]: That is the only problem^^ TSFTD [-\]: im not saying n15 is best move, only that its better than the others that have been said Shiruko [6k\]: Then K15 would probably be Sente Luffyop [1d\]: shiruko ? Shiruko [6k\]: Yes? just9x9 [-\]: shiruko is a user, not a go term lol MilanMilan [9d\]: n15 seems nexccessary tanoshi [1d\]: man I'm about to fly over there and just tell Ye Tian to play n15 Shiruko [6k\]: Or something to eat CptHook [6k\]: did you said n15 first tsftd? MilanMilan [9d\]: and b h17 MilanMilan [9d\]: w j14 TSFTD [-\]: i dunno, too long ago lol brindille [3k?\]: the long thinking time certainly proves that the next move is difficult MilanMilan [9d\]: b M18 CptHook [6k\]: ha BUM [7d\]: milan means m18=k18 BUM [7d\]: i think just9x9 [-\]: lol ] ;W[me]C[just9x9 [-\]: mind reading 7d skill Sebastian [2k\]: hm so he defended there Josh2605 [17k\]: than k 17 right CptHook [6k\]: now b lives at h17 i think brindille [3k?\]: so he went for the safest connection ^^ KoReNJe [3d\]: euroob KoReNJe [3d\]: who's w? MilanMilan [9d\]: sry, M19,,, TSFTD [-\]: it says who white is Tokee [4k\]: Ye Tian 1p BUM [7d\]: m19? KoReNJe [3d\]: who's she? Tokee [4k\]: ^^ KoReNJe [3d\]: how old is she? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: does the boy who is too lazy to be mr EuroGoTV-SL talking to me? just9x9 [-\]: korenje looking for gf like usual :P nohoper [6k\]: h17 too obvious now? Ignort [5k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the one with the biggest mouth in Slovenie? CptHook [6k\]: is this true korenje? KoReNJe [3d\]: yes? KoReNJe [3d\]: what Luffyop [1d\]: lol thought there were both men... BUM [7d\]: biggest mouth only in internet .. CptHook [6k\]: tazy to be euro tv sl EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol KoReNJe [3d\]: hoh KoReNJe [3d\]: euro, where is the video for this game? TSFTD [-\]: scroll up mooyo [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 earthy [8k\]: how much time are left ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have hidden it from you just9x9 [-\]: lol Levvo [4k\]: What he said, how much time do they have left? ^^ qgo [4k\]: what is EuroGoTV-SL ? Melenaus [6k\]: black alive? Hattori [?\]: b should come back from his walk :/ qgo [4k\]: can I watch that too? qgo [4k\]: is SL Super Large ? TSFTD [-\]: yes melenaus Luffyop [1d\]: eurogoTV1 you should ask one euro by question and you would win your 200 euro before the end of the game ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no you cannot because KoReNJe is lazy qgo just9x9 [-\]: SL comes in HD yes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol MystikD [7k\]: how much time left? KoReNJe [3d\]: I just came from work tanoshi [1d\]: is it okay for him to leave? KoReNJe [3d\]: I am not lazx Melenaus [6k\]: thx ericosman [1k\]: is there audio on this game ? tanoshi [1d\]: he is prolly logging in on a computer tanoshi [1d\]: and checking milan's comments Hattori [?\]: he can spend his time how he likes ._. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: audio and video KoReNJe [3d\]: oh I see iot KoReNJe [3d\]: hairy, where are the results? ericosman [1k\]: how do we connect to the audio and video ? Levvo [4k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: look at the news on EuroGoTV KoReNJe TSFTD [-\]: scroll up -> click link ericosman [1k\]: thanks ! KoReNJe [3d\]: dammit KoReNJe [3d\]: I spilled my soy milk qgo [4k\]: L 17 had the virtue of taking a liberty from L 16 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hahaha MystikD [7k\]: how much time left? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both 57 minutes TSFTD [-\]: no, we're not there yet... MystikD [7k\]: thx qgo [4k\]: preparing eye shape or a move at k 15 qgo [4k\]: will b live now ? Melenaus [6k\]: TSFTD said yea Melenaus [6k\]: already alive KoReNJe [3d\]: I almost beat silt in bled just9x9 [-\]: k15 seems ajikeshi ben0 [5d\]: seems dead for me TSFTD [-\]: not that im an expert or anything CptHook [6k\]: h17 isnt life w f19, b h19, w k18? Luffyop [1d\]: Hoh i just realised something cool... black is dress black and white is dress white *-* XD EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol brindille [3k?\]: but after h17 b can still get out with g14 if need be no? qgo [4k\]: how can you almost beat someone ? CptHook [6k\]: b is dead i would say.. Tokee [4k\]: How did Benjamin play so far? Koffein [-\]: i think everyone almost beats silt .. floresX07 [1d\]: b has white stripes, though Koffein [-\]: but somehow he wins always oO EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see the news Tokee mafutrct [-\]: i dont think black can die oO KoReNJe [3d\]: poor silt KoReNJe [3d\]: he's totaly losing it nohoper [6k\]: g14 escape? floresX07 [1d\]: nohoper, there's a cut hanging at h16 ] ;B[jc] ;W[if]C[MrPopCorn [8k\]: already hard for black KoReNJe [3d\]: m19 ] ;B[la]C[mooyo [11k\]: is k17 a mistake? mafutrct [-\]: i think black is fine MilanMilan [9d\]: k17 not good MilanMilan [9d\]: should be kept brindille [3k?\]: there goes g14 away... MrPopCorn [8k\]: m18 was the first mistake ! ^^ Josh2605 [17k\]: really m 19 LEI0724 [8d?\]: ? BUM [7d\]: i think b was scared of L18 MilanMilan [9d\]: he could atari whenw play L18 MrPopCorn [8k\]: h16 is possible ? MilanMilan [9d\]: Then push qgo [4k\]: so b live in gote and w has a lot of influence mooyo [11k\]: m19 gives me the felling of killed in gote TSFTD [-\]: worst case for w now is h17 h18 h16 purun [6k\]: not h18? MilanMilan [9d\]: now even w takes p18 BUM [7d\]: i know Josh2605 [17k\]: oh now i see why m 19 lol Josh2605 [17k\]: ok MilanMilan [9d\]: b still not alive purun [6k\]: L18 MrPopCorn [8k\]: i predict a give up at about move 80 miao [5d\]: b loses big? KoReNJe [3d\]: I predict b will not give up without a fight MrOnizuka [-\]: w p18 b h18 ? TSFTD [-\]: the real question is, was this invasion worth risking the game over? MrPopCorn [8k\]: 30moves is a long fight ] ;W[qh]C[MrPopCorn [8k\]: ^^ brindille [3k?\]: what about o18 for black now? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: o18 connects? brindille [3k?\]: oops sorry didn't see w move MilanMilan [9d\]: ... MilanMilan [9d\]: R12 BUM [7d\]: o18 big LEI0724 [8d?\]: 。。。 LEI0724 [8d?\]: R12? KoReNJe [3d\]: milan, are u stronger than silt? MilanMilan [9d\]: o18=30plus mooyo [11k\]: •◘○ nohoper [6k\]: w now asking for a free move :P ] ;B[nb]C[tanoshi [1d\]: R12 seems really weird MrPopCorn [8k\]: doesnt work ?! Rgloaguen [5k\]: nice ] ;W[cq]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: miiiilan jimmypap [-\]: what's so big about o18? Aune [10k\]: Why is o18 big? nohoper [6k\]: which hes got mafutrct [-\]: connect + life + avoid yose Dantek [1k\]: black wasn't already alive? TSFTD [-\]: everything jimmy... Josh2605 [17k\]: q 9 jimmypap [-\]: :o MilanMilan [9d\]: well metta [2d\]: o18 connects two black groups Luffyop [1d\]: who is silt? DeDe1234 [3k\]: because o18 then o19 MilanMilan [9d\]: Tianye just came in my room\\ Aune [10k\]: Aaah mooyo [11k\]: whats the use of o18? twold [1k\]: there was p18 sente endgame for w MrPopCorn [8k\]: and w p18 dont work ? tanoshi [1d\]: B looking in good shape now Josh2605 [17k\]: now he backs away from the board MilanMilan [9d\]: He said he exchange this move in his mind... TSFTD [-\]: no popcorn, read it out Broom [5k\]: white can ignore 018 and has sente brindille [3k?\]: p18 > 019 MrPopCorn [8k\]: ok th EuroGoTV1 [-\]: So TianYe will be disqualified for consulting a stronger pro^^ KoReNJe [3d\]: ho MrPopCorn [8k\]: i like white style however MilanMilan [9d\]: he felt very depress about this turnover umsteldum: So Tian Ye thought he had already played p18? ] ;B[fq] ;W[cp]C[TSFTD [-\]: i am envious about b's confidence ] ;B[qj]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: dai will totaly own everyone there MilanMilan [9d\]: yes ] ;W[dj]C[umsteldum: oh god MilanMilan [9d\]: not that easy GoOoG [5k\]: before move R12 by white, white can kill black by H17 ? BUM [7d\]: oh did he just forgot to p18? just9x9 [-\]: lol thats hard to believe TSFTD [-\]: no goog twold [1k\]: d11 now? should get out to center instead of just living mooyo [11k\]: doesnt h18 work for w? BUM [7d\]: happens just9x9 [-\]: but then r12 makes sense of course KoReNJe [3d\]: bunch of excuses LEI0724 [8d?\]: tianye just wants to hold H18 back? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 GoOoG [5k\]: TSFTD, can you explain to my why can't kill ? thanks umsteldum: similar to taking ko before ko threat, mistakenly assuming threat already played TSFTD [-\]: no point in dying in the center tho twold KoReNJe [3d\]: i have no idea what u ppl talk about KoReNJe [3d\]: but I'll cooperate TSFTD [-\]: gooog, explain to me the kill sequence twold [1k\]: i don't see why he should die tsftd brindille [3k?\]: d11 only move? or is that naive 3k? thinking? ^^ GoOoG [5k\]: white H18 twold [1k\]: it's also naive 1k thinking ^^ Lacrimosa [2d?\]: and 2d? TSFTD [-\]: white h18 isnt a sequence, its a single move mafutrct [-\]: h18 is like... gote? just9x9 [-\]: h18 is endgame nohoper [6k\]: h18 is small purun [6k\]: so many pray for h18....... GoOoG [5k\]: it's depend your move black TSFTD [-\]: guys hes referring to this: GoOoG [5k\]: before move R12 by white, white can kill black by H17 ? MrPopCorn [8k\]: hey, thats so great to watch the game at tv !!! MrPopCorn [8k\]: thanks eurogo ;) mafutrct [-\]: sorry CptHook [6k\]: poison move EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ brindille [3k?\]: h18 is very big yose telchar [-\]: ouais c'est autrement mieux que la coupe du monde ] ;B[di]C[JosefK [8k\]: ^^ Lacrimosa [2d?\]: naive 6d thinking TSFTD [-\]: goog brindille [3k?\]: ^^ twold [1k\]: and egf 6d too KoReNJe [3d\]: b9 GoOoG [5k\]: yes TSFTD [-\]: for one, o18 alone lives after h17 ] ;W[bk]C[Luffyop [1d\]: huh ? ] ;B[ck]C[Luffyop [1d\]: not working.. twold [1k\]: with this b gets d10 and eye. looks ok just9x9 [-\]: w maust make up for his blunder just9x9 [-\]: *must ] ;W[bj]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: b totaly loses eyes GoOoG [5k\]: oh, yes forget, thanks ] ;B[cj]C[twold [1k\]: no korenje. TSFTD [-\]: np mate ] ;W[bl]C[twold [1k\]: b gets one eye KoReNJe [3d\]: what no twold [1k\]: also some forcing moves KoReNJe [3d\]: if I say lose, it's lose NekoMeow [4d?\]: b is already alive by now TSFTD [-\]: i suspect it may be possible to live even discounting that ] ;B[cm] ;W[bm] ;B[cn]C[brindille [3k?\]: this does not look good for black ] ;W[bn]C[TSFTD [-\]: but im not positive about it twold [1k\]: korenje, sometimes i doubt you know what this game is about... ] ;B[en]C[TSFTD [-\]: looks fine to me brin qgo [4k\]: crawling along the second line ? nohoper [6k\]: pro power emerging TSFTD [-\]: b traded small side life for large center moyo CptHook [6k\]: w's blunder looks to me twold [1k\]: this is horrible for w o_O KoReNJe [3d\]: I am too strong 4 u 2 understand ptibouton [4d\]: I think it's good for b TSFTD [-\]: and all w got is a second line crawl umsteldum: this result looks not like big w success Lacrimosa [2d?\]: the beeping makes me think of some heart rate monitors in hospitals Luffyop [1d\]: the fact that white forgot P18 is making the position for R12 really bad ... Lacrimosa [2d?\]: when a group is dying, it starts to beep very fast TSFTD [-\]: lol lacrimosa, thats one funky heartrate... just9x9 [-\]: lol lacrimosa ] ;W[fn]C[LeT63 [1d\]: KoReNJe = the only dan with low kyu calls brindille [3k?\]: I agree with Kor on this call :) twold [1k\]: yeah, you look very similar to person called toostrong4u korenje KoReNJe [3d\]: face it KoReNJe [3d\]: I called all moves right so far nohoper [6k\]: lol JEGO [8k\]: why white don't play h18? twold [1k\]: me too. i called d11 and nothing else :-P telchar [-\]: big gote yose brindille [3k?\]: (called zero moves right = called all moves right) leniwiec [1k\]: because it's silly small elementc [6k?\]: Every move a strong player makes is a blunder! ] ;B[em]C[CptHook [6k\]: e7 and cut at f8? nohoper [6k\]: h16 prolly bigger KoReNJe [3d\]: some time w will play j3 KoReNJe [3d\]: from his agressive moves I can predict that NekoMeow [4d?\]: this is too passive EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 45 W 53 minutes left twold [1k\]: anyway, they haven't played anything spectacular yet. most of the moves i guessed they'd play. i want to see some fancy killing NekoMeow [4d?\]: black is gonna ruin his right side JEGO [8k\]: but H18 kill black group its not a small move brindille [3k?\]: B is short on time!!!! NekoMeow [4d?\]: b should've run instead telchar [-\]: o18 connected JEGO [8k\]: yes just9x9 [-\]: h18 no kill, b is connected to rifht corner vaxou [5k\]: there is a komi ? elementc [6k?\]: Ye Tian is a chinese pro? Onmyoji [2d?\]: hi elementc [6k?\]: hello mystic huggy [3k\]: what do you count? ] ;W[iq]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: haha TSFTD [-\]: 6.5 komi brindille [3k?\]: h18 only kills h15 or g18 for a few additional points in gote LeT63 [1d\]: :-) vaxou [5k\]: k:) KoReNJe [3d\]: called it right again Onmyoji [2d?\]: i count w+6.5 Onmyoji [2d?\]: whats ur count everyone? elementc [6k?\]: Korenje is apparently predicts the future Vogel [3k\]: why is active pro playing? ] ;B[gp]C[nohoper [6k\]: w +res TSFTD [-\]: why not? Vogel [3k\]: normal for panda? MilanMilan [9d\]: w not active recent yrs MXHero [3d\]: active pros are active? DeadTired [2d\]: I count 19x19 KoReNJe [3d\]: game so obvious. even kyu can predict it ] ;W[fm]C[bro [3d\]: well they arent allowed to participate in amateur tournaments what I know Vogel [3k\]: ah milan dhx MXHero [3d\]: oh! shaula [1k\]: bro, that is true for amateur tournaments organized in Asia. Luffyop [1d\]: Korenje, if it s so easy just predict if... (everysingle one ...) JEGO [8k\]: black in bad position in the left wing twold [1k\]: this time i agree with korenje. which, incidently, is why korenje can guess it too TSFTD [-\]: nah, b is fine qgo [4k\]: d 4 NekoMeow [4d?\]: I'd guess a cut ] ;B[fl] ;W[gl] ;B[fk] ;W[gk]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: well... not that one tho... just9x9 [-\]: b chiclen just9x9 [-\]: chicken mafutrct [-\]: d4 d5 e5 f5 f8 h6 ? KoReNJe [3d\]: twold, are u haruto? nohoper [6k\]: b gradually being carved up..........it will get worse for him MXHero [3d\]: g7 is so annoying bro [3d\]: shaula, I see and on european and american tourn. it doesnt apply too? twold [1k\]: what's that? MrPopCorn [8k\]: what is white goal here ? MrPopCorn [8k\]: to kill ? Luffyop [1d\]: white trying to complicate the gae KoReNJe [3d\]: some clone of yours brindille [3k?\]: b has 2 eyes... 1 for each group on the bottom left :) Guichocha [2d\]: white's goal is to push anywhere he can CptHook [6k\]: b is courage enough... twold [1k\]: don't remember anyone cloning me. could've happened though Closemiss [3d\]: not really, w attacking g3 babbage [1d\]: w aiming at h5 JEGO [8k\]: e9 Eye ? Daoloth [-\]: would be fun to punish j3 just9x9 [-\]: oneld has clone you twold Melenaus [6k\]: Shouldn't black cut at D4? NekoMeow [4d?\]: d4 TSFTD [-\]: why melenaus? dutch2dan [2d\]: wedge at f4 now? MrPopCorn [8k\]: well tv is fine, but chat is better here ! :) shaula [1k\]: well Bro, I don't know for the US, but in Europe pros are considered as any other players. TSFTD [-\]: d5 > d4 cut KoReNJe [3d\]: w gets sente EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for now i prefer black, but i guess that has everything to do with white forgetting to play p18 MXHero [3d\]: maybe h5? KoReNJe [3d\]: w j5 later NekoMeow [4d?\]: or LEI0724 [8d?\]: w is vivid now Melenaus [6k\]: Then E4 is not strong enough to attack. babbage [1d\]: d4 is b's right. b is reserving that right now just9x9 [-\]: to place f4 you have to wedge seriously there :) MilanMilan [9d\]: H5 KoReNJe [3d\]: after j5, w nice wall to play o3 or something LEI0724 [8d?\]: b has to tenuki MXHero [3d\]: yay milan agrees with me :) TSFTD [-\]: actually g5 > d5 >d4 KoReNJe [3d\]: h5 is too weak twold [1k\]: yeah sure, 'cos... 9d said it badaji1 [2k\]: W has more territory and more thickness poor ondrej MXHero [3d\]: it is miai for a cut at g7 or attacking j3 i think nabil [12k\]: h18 kills f18 right? CptHook [6k\]: b still need to play f10 i think? tanoshi [1d\]: G6 looks intersting Dantek [1k\]: Ondrej's brain is burning KoReNJe [3d\]: ok we shall see KoReNJe [3d\]: j5 or h5 :p twold [1k\]: you are blind if you don't see all the cuts in the white shape korenje twold [1k\]: w has no time to tenuki to j5 yet MrPopCorn [8k\]: thats funny on tv : black has a black teeshirt and white a white one (maybe a rule for this tournament ! :p) KoReNJe [3d\]: what cuts BUM [7d\]: j4 KoReNJe [3d\]: cuts are good to lure b inside tanoshi [1d\]: Bum what about G6? Goprince [3d\]: d4 cuts group in sente? MXHero [3d\]: d4 would be gote brindille [3k?\]: is cutting at g7 right now an option? KoReNJe [3d\]: ppl you don't know what go is Ludmila [6k\]: nobody g7 ? twold [1k\]: why gote mxhero? jellybean [16k\]: whats 1p mean? Melenaus [6k\]: Someone said the main issue here was F3. dutch2dan [2d\]: 1 dan professional Melenaus [6k\]: So in that case D4 sente. qgo [4k\]: h 6 MXHero [3d\]: well it would be unbelievably heavy to try to save e4 then NekoMeow [4d?\]: h5 e5 ;d MilanMilan [9d\]: F8 is weird anapazapa [2d\]: röhögnék meghalna Melenaus [6k\]: ah, yes. AlmostDan [3d\]: what about just E5 to make to left group alive and see what happens KoReNJe [3d\]: alt+f4 :p MilanMilan [9d\]: I just dicuss with Dai twold [1k\]: yeah, but with b connected, w has no targets CptHook [6k\]: if w f10 only 1 eye for b.. elementc [6k?\]: Dai? TSFTD [-\]: d4 IS sente but it doesnt DO anything KoReNJe [3d\]: milan, how can you discuss with them when they are pšlaying go? nohoper [6k\]: hmm h6 MilanMilan [9d\]: D4 intead of F8 MrPopCorn [8k\]: black is watching for the goddess move ? donGoku [5k?\]: lefordulna székről? MilanMilan [9d\]: will be tough for w MilanMilan [9d\]: yes, Dai Junfu twold [1k\]: TSFTD: kinda true, because it's slow to come back for w to connect elementc [6k?\]: thanks BUM [7d\]: how next milan? BUM [7d\]: d4 d5 ? umsteldum: b must f10, no? mafutrct [-\]: b g7? ] ;B[fj] ;W[ho]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: aaaaa MilanMilan [9d\]: F10... KoReNJe [3d\]: whyyy MXHero [3d\]: wow.. f10 looks totally slow Finnish8d [-\]: cannot understand it.. tanoshi [1d\]: what a chicken Onmyoji [2d?\]: coward twold [1k\]: this is horrible... b.. :-( Onmyoji [2d?\]: too scared LEI0724 [8d?\]: seems over MXHero [3d\]: it's like 5 points gote Onmyoji [2d?\]: b too scared AlmostDan [3d\]: the left group wasng alive BUM [7d\]: c2 b2 b1 first of all MilanMilan [9d\]: not yet qgo [4k\]: f 5 ? KoReNJe [3d\]: j4 looks cooler KoReNJe [3d\]: I mean j5 brindille [3k?\]: e5 would have been better in my 3k? opnion metta [2d\]: black groups makes 4/5 points each one :( nohoper [6k\]: Milan called h5 ages ago MilanMilan [9d\]: Both of players need a break... KoReNJe [3d\]: nohoper, 1 move a go babbage [1d\]: j4 seems the only choice ] ;B[dp] ;W[do] ;B[eo] ;W[fo]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: see Goprince [3d\]: these could have been ko threats? KoReNJe [3d\]: what a mess for w TSFTD [-\]: bah MilanMilan [9d\]: ... BUM [7d\]: b losing threats BUM [7d\]: double hane in the croner ! Luffyop [1d\]: not yet, black is not doing great there Goprince [3d\]: yea MilanMilan [9d\]: d5 unneccessary at all ] ;B[cr] ;W[br] ;B[bs]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: now very bad aji of w shape KoReNJe [3d\]: hm MilanMilan [9d\]: b should play J4 MilanMilan [9d\]: b2 just detail... MilanMilan [9d\]: far away from main battelfild nohoper [6k\]: b misread BUM [7d\]: good to have ti :) TSFTD [-\]: b wants ko? MilanMilan [9d\]: j4-h4-h3-k3 KoReNJe [3d\]: what does j4 do? miao [5d\]: milan why is that bad? miao [5d\]: because w ignores? MilanMilan [9d\]: j4 is serious ] ;W[dr]C[miao [5d\]: so w playes k5 ? ] ;B[ds] ;W[cs]C[LEI0724 [8d?\]: I prefer J2 ] ;B[ip]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: w shouldn't play d5 MilanMilan [9d\]: but approach at o3 ] ;W[hp] ;B[hq]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: would be a easy game MilanMilan [9d\]: now... miao [5d\]: hehe MilanMilan [9d\]: w may get crushed in a moment ecstatic [9d\]: w cant win this ko BUM [7d\]: yea MilanMilan [9d\]: This ko is detail BUM [7d\]: d2 looks weird BUM [7d\]: :) MilanMilan [9d\]: if b anytime take the ko ] ;W[jq] ;B[cr]C[BUM [7d\]: milan totally doesnt care about the ko XD miao [5d\]: is detail bad? MXHero [3d\]: in this case would w a2 have been a better response to b1? MilanMilan [9d\]: what... TSFTD [-\]: w cant win ko and b doesnt ned to ] ;W[nq]C[Luffyop [1d\]: G5 now KoReNJe [3d\]: omg MilanMilan [9d\]: ................. KoReNJe [3d\]: this is weak BUM [7d\]: what? Onmyoji [2d?\]: ............. BUM [7d\]: b3 ! MilanMilan [9d\]: tooooooooo many overplay of w Finnish8d [-\]: miao: now you know why detail is bad :D Luffyop [1d\]: g5 now vaxou [5k\]: but without d5 it's easy for b to live no ? miao [5d\]: :P MilanMilan [9d\]: and too negotive of b LEI0724 [8d?\]: negative? vaxou [5k\]: i can't read that far :) MilanMilan [9d\]: sry, TSFTD [-\]: vaxou: b DOES live, and w has put himself in a bad position by trying to prevent it MilanMilan [9d\]: Negative jisback [10k\]: ;) miao [5d\]: b too easy miao [5d\]: he means MilanMilan [9d\]: b3 for sure CptHook [6k\]: b have some treaths g5 brindille [3k?\]: should black answer o3, live at c1 or cut at b3? vaxou [5k\]: k:) Q161 [?\]: milan what means too negative of b? Ibicus [1k\]: wasn't k5 big? MilanMilan [9d\]: means not agressive at all.. twold [1k\]: no fighting spirit ^^ ] ;B[bq]C[Q161 [?\]: ok, so b is too passive ] ;W[cs]C[Q161 [?\]: i see, thx :D twold [1k\]: but here we go LEI0724 [8d?\]: means conservative MilanMilan [9d\]: H5 ] ;B[hn] ;W[go] ;B[cr]C[brindille [3k?\]: cut was most aggressive play ^^ donGoku [5k?\]: g5 or h6? TSFTD [-\]: wth... Luffyop [1d\]: what milan meant H5 = H6 MilanMilan [9d\]: well jisback [10k\]: d7 ? MrOnizuka [-\]: p18 ? TSFTD [-\]: g5 >>>>>>>>>>h6 MilanMilan [9d\]: thx for b generous MilanMilan [9d\]: w back to the game BUM [7d\]: what should b do? twold [1k\]: i don't get this game at all. at every move the game seems lost to some side :-D MilanMilan [9d\]: w still has 2 kothreat this part Melenaus [6k\]: Why Milan, black should have cut at G5? MilanMilan [9d\]: but b just has one... jimmypap [-\]: mele: try it in a cloned game? KoReNJe [3d\]: b can kill whole left side I think KoReNJe [3d\]: so this ko now more important deathly [-\]: what should black have done instead? KoReNJe [3d\]: hm MilanMilan [9d\]: c2 was the mistake mijto: i agree brindille [3k?\]: aren't g7 and j6 threats? TSFTD [-\]: b cannot kill l side Komugi [1d\]: e2 ? TSFTD [-\]: even if he takes ko Dashose [10k\]: n17? CptHook [6k\]: at h6 b lost one or two treaths i think MXHero [3d\]: oh d6 is a bad threat BUM [7d\]: korenje pls... KoReNJe [3d\]: what BUM [7d\]: how w kills left? Kayres [5k\]: b BUM [7d\]: teach me magic tsumego KoReNJe [3d\]: doesn't a5 kill left side? Kayres [5k\]: he said Kayres [5k\]: b can kill w on left side umsteldum: b11 sente ClaireH [6k?\]: seems like a hard ko for white Onmyoji [2d?\]: cant loitur: v10? Q161 [?\]: v? ibd [6k?\]: n17? sbdfbdfd: silt owns scurge [5d\]: go mano go! ] ;W[er]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: bum? Kayres [5k\]: n17 nothing? Vogel [3k\]: nice Komugi [1d\]: g7 ? lamalama: obvious AbdelKader [1k\]: F2 nohoper [6k\]: w gone for a walk :P jisback [10k\]: f2 ] ;B[fr]C[jisback [10k\]: logique AbdelKader [1k\]: G7 good TSFTD [-\]: b doesnt even come close to killing w on left side after taking ko KoReNJe [3d\]: if b takes b2, w must respond sbdfbdfd: what move instead of c2?! jisback [10k\]: c1 ? TSFTD [-\]: yes, true korenje NekoMeow [4d?\]: b taking ko is sente ] ;W[cs]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: but MXHero [3d\]: now j5 KoReNJe [3d\]: meaning I was right Goprince [3d\]: still w win this ko ibd [6k?\]: n16? CptHook [6k\]: g7 NekoMeow [4d?\]: 2v1 is threats NekoMeow [4d?\]: in yulia [11k\]: heej H ClaireH [6k?\]: can w win this ko? metta [2d\]: no BUM [7d\]: u was talking about b ... thought u mena w can kill left Koffein [-\]: + dutch2dan [2d\]: .. ClaireH [6k?\]: thats what I thought, looks too hard KoReNJe [3d\]: yes I was BUM [7d\]: anyway its clear that w has to defend if he lose the ko -.- KoReNJe [3d\]: w next move is a2 Q161 [?\]: bum is good at reading go, but not much at reading kibitz Q161 [?\]: :D Luffyop [1d\]: i think w will win the ko TSFTD [-\]: but u said "KoReNJe [3d\]: b can kill whole left side I think" nohoper [6k\]: ko is too big now for w to lose TSFTD [-\]: and no, b cant do that TSFTD [-\]: b takes ko, w responds, b cannot kill w jisback [10k\]: J 5 black scurge [5d\]: bum learn new smiley ;) MrPopCorn [8k\]: b5 ? NekoMeow [4d?\]: I can't see a way for b to win ko.. qgo [4k\]: an exciting game indeed KoReNJe [3d\]: tsftd, everything is possible in go :p KoReNJe [3d\]: one mistake and it's dead BUM [7d\]: thats not a smile scurge [5d\]: it is? Oo MilanMilan [9d\]: we support w already lead a lot orntorenq: not every smiley is a smile Onmyoji [2d?\]: w plays like a 1p Universe [1d\]: lol brindille [3k?\]: after g7 - j5 exchange, what about black j6? if w ignores then k4-k5, L4-L3, L5-K6 L6-K7 then M3 not good? MilanMilan [9d\]: although o3 unnesccessary TSFTD [-\]: lol nohoper [6k\]: g7 2 threats for b? MilanMilan [9d\]: notice the corner Universe [1d\]: yea definitely textbook MilanMilan [9d\]: even b win the ko Daoloth [-\]: what is b thinking about? KoReNJe [3d\]: w r6 strong Universe [1d\]: hopefully go MilanMilan [9d\]: w still alive KoReNJe [3d\]: maybe a winning move MXHero [3d\]: b is deciding between g7 and j5 TSFTD [-\]: j5 better KoReNJe [3d\]: alive in got nohoper [6k\]: well j5 def only 1 theat KoReNJe [3d\]: gote ClaireH [6k?\]: g7 gets net MXHero [3d\]: yeah tsftd i agree NekoMeow [4d?\]: w + res soon? :o zizu [-\]: G7 bettera? Komugi [1d\]: k4 ? brindille [3k?\]: I like g7 better MilanMilan [9d\]: Dai agreed b in trouble LeT63 [1d\]: what will be next w threat? donGoku [5k?\]: j5 seems better MrPopCorn [8k\]: b5 isnt a theat ? TSFTD [-\]: why would g7 be better? nohoper [6k\]: d6 NekoMeow [4d?\]: d7 is threat MilanMilan [9d\]: according to my knowing of Tianye brindille [3k?\]: because of j6 follow up Ibicus [1k\]: black can ignore the b2 threath right? (but lost sente) MXHero [3d\]: j5 attacks more stones and in better shape Komugi [1d\]: l3 ecstatic [9d\]: b misread the ko threats MilanMilan [9d\]: he might felt very angry Q161 [?\]: lol sbdfbdfd: lol Onmyoji [2d?\]: lol sbdfbdfd: that's good for Silt then MilanMilan [9d\]: wanna destroy b in this part orntorenq: tian ye plays on kgs? aChoai [2d\]: lol Onmyoji [2d?\]: lol yulia [11k\]: har, hoe is het m bord 1 LEI0724 [8d?\]: why does he feel angry? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Junfu heeft gewonnen qgo [4k\]: angry with himself Onmyoji [2d?\]: how old is w? yulia [11k\]: k MilanMilan [9d\]: 25 Luffyop [1d\]: because of O18 i guess Universe [1d\]: hmm maybe he has wife MilanMilan [9d\]: Dai felt puzzle about the process of this game CptHook [6k\]: b5 is waste treath w lives KoReNJe [3d\]: where the heck is dai sbdfbdfd: who the heck is Dai? Universe [1d\]: maybe eurogo fell asleep toadwarble [8k\]: Are results to date available anywhere? Universe [1d\]: someone check the video EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep i did sbdfbdfd: sleep-talking? :) MXHero [3d\]: what does junfu mean? TSFTD [-\]: hes dream kibbizing nohoper [6k\]: hmm kibs are gathering for the kill on tv qgo [4k\]: been playing poker last night Euro ? sbdfbdfd: lol sbdfbdfd: url? ] ;B[io] ;W[gm]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: b must ignore d7 threat ] ;B[cr]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: and after that ] ;W[dn]C[BodyGoArts [7k\]: how to find tv feed? KoReNJe [3d\]: ouch NekoMeow [4d?\]: I can't see how b can win ] ;B[dm] ;W[cs]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: ouch? NekoMeow [4d?\]: what? MXHero [3d\]: this is a bad threat, assuming b can possibly win the ko EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, video editting LEI0724 [8d?\]: now Tian ye knows everything Komugi [1d\]: l3 donGoku [5k?\]: b5 KoReNJe [3d\]: resignation move? Luffyop [1d\]: D6 means : "i know you do not have any more ko threat " MXHero [3d\]: yeah, d6 pretty much says "you can't win the ko" ichinomiya [8d\]: j2? ecstatic [9d\]: resign KoReNJe [3d\]: or perhaps another ko with b5? ibd [6k?\]: l4 KoReNJe [3d\]: oh wiat KoReNJe [3d\]: that's not ko umsteldum: but o b threat now umsteldum: no Luffyop [1d\]: J2 black alive Universe [1d\]: indeed difficult Onmyoji [2d?\]: ? dutch2dan [2d\]: but at what cost, Luffy? KoReNJe [3d\]: yes KoReNJe [3d\]: b5 is a ko BUM [7d\]: r10 was all out move KoReNJe [3d\]: og wait Luffyop [1d\]: i know, but if he does play it, he is dead, so... KoReNJe [3d\]: it's not orntorenq: b5 is a threat? leniwiec [1k\]: a double ko though brindille [3k?\]: I knew it that w crawling on 2nd line was bad for black ^^ MXHero [3d\]: j2 is barely alive, after b j2 then b k2l3 l2 m3 and b still needs h1 KoReNJe [3d\]: w can just play a1 shaula [1k\]: j2 played NekoMeow [4d?\]: j2 e1 l3 NekoMeow [4d?\]: then what? MilanMilan [9d\]: well, w make it ] ;B[ir] ;W[es]C[MXHero [3d\]: gross ] ;B[jr] ;W[kq] ;B[hs] ;W[kr]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: h1 ] ;B[js] ;W[jn]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: yes NekoMeow [4d?\]: but this... MilanMilan [9d\]: the only move KoReNJe [3d\]: k6 kinda small Onmyoji [2d?\]: i count w39.5 MrOnizuka [-\]: w+ res MilanMilan [9d\]: now w leads 3komi MXHero [3d\]: k6 is huge ] ;B[pn]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: isn't very pretty for b... purun [6k\]: w got the center nohoper [6k\]: b prof it for w ] ;W[qq]C[purun [6k\]: very big marfg [2k\]: over... anapazapa [2d\]: w scoring bigtime mafutrct [-\]: could black have ignored w D6? MXHero [3d\]: k6 allows this EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 badaji1 [2k\]: What a disaster KoReNJe [3d\]: where anapazapa [2d\]: all over sbdfbdfd: b messed up Fenix [?\]: should be have played B3 at A1 simply? MrPopCorn [8k\]: fun to see a goban becoming white whereas one black stone is played after each white stone ! ^^ nohoper [6k\]: kibs have gone away :P Luffyop [1d\]: i am sure lee chang ho or lee sedol would won that with black purun [6k\]: w took b ko threat just to build the center KoReNJe [3d\]: w looks happy Q161 [?\]: not if i was playing w luffy KoReNJe [3d\]: he realizes that he's won TSFTD [-\]: w is happy Luffyop [1d\]: he can be... ^^ badaji1 [2k\]: Hey BUM ,how do you estimate doublehane in the corner now? kgsdyv [2d\]: oh scurge [5d\]: ha? CornishHen [3k\]: ah i love it when we are disrespectful to our peers Guichocha [2d\]: how much time do the players have? ] ;B[pq] ;W[pr] ;B[qp] ;W[rr]C[sbdfbdfd: b cannot be happy ] ;B[rq] ;W[qr] ;B[hc]C[MrPopCorn [8k\]: looks small (h17 ) KoReNJe [3d\]: small move ElDifunto [1k\]: was necesary MrPopCorn [8k\]: wow a 3d thinks like me ! captnapalm [1d\]: 20 pts small? Caelum [-\]: p10 good ? CornishHen [3k\]: seems like big gote EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h17 huge nohoper [6k\]: o6 for profit ibd [6k?\]: p11 umsteldum: not small but maybe not most urgent sbdfbdfd: now w ahead 4shizzle ibd [6k?\]: r8 qgo [4k\]: does b j 6 create a lot of adji MXHero [3d\]: i like how r12 is just chilling there Caelum [-\]: oh good ] ;W[ql]C[purun [6k\]: lol r12 MrPopCorn [8k\]: a great time for sente ibd [6k?\]: yessss Dantek [1k\]: what an agressive move ] ;B[pk]C[holycarp [-\]: zomg no handicap for b? Nightfawk [2k\]: kosumi ^^ ] ;W[pl] ;B[ol]C[ndkrempel [4d\]: ohh!! 1 P just9x9 [-\]: tournament holycrap ndkrempel [4d\]: thought 1 D sbdfbdfd: language LeT63 [1d\]: 1 DP leniwiec [1k\]: the difference between 1p and 6d ama is less than 2 stones ] ;W[rj]C[MXHero [3d\]: if i had to guess i'd say q9 is impossible with r12 in place ] ;B[ri]C[Onmyoji [2d?\]: 4 stones ] ;W[rk] ;B[qi] ;W[rh]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: 白的打鸡血了... MilanMilan [9d\]: 什么都要抢 LEI0724 [8d?\]: hahaha scurge [5d\]: aaaand depends on pro was the correct answer :) ecstatic [9d\]: 野座愤怒了 BUM [7d\]: i expected w wanna sueez outside ichinomiya [8d\]: more than 3 stones LEI0724 [8d?\]: 确实没有必要 just9x9 [-\]: s12 here? ecstatic [9d\]: 还夹一下 brindille [3k?\]: I think I saw this sequence in a lee chang ho book today ^^ mysterious [9d\]: 哈哈 MilanMilan [9d\]: hehe MrPopCorn [8k\]: do you can speak chineese milan ? or thats random kongji ? ] ;B[si]C[Luffyop [1d\]: lol all the strong player speak chinese... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: missclick MilanMilan [9d\]: as what I said LEI0724 [8d?\]: hi,mysterious qgo [4k\]: april fools ? MilanMilan [9d\]: w wanna gets more ecstatic [9d\]: 野座一直沉浸在劣势意识中 mysterious [9d\]: hi Lei MilanMilan [9d\]: but... MrPopCorn [8k\]: i studied chineese more than 10 years ago ] ;W[ok]C[zenith [14k\]: where is this game being played? xiuce123 [3k\]: because they are chinesish MrPopCorn [8k\]: kongji are easy to learn MilanMilan [9d\]: now silt back to the game zenith [14k\]: is it being streamed somewhere? MrPopCorn [8k\]: but pronociation is hell for a european mysterious [9d\]: 田队态势不错,立足于拼搏 ecstatic [9d\]: Q7 ibd [6k?\]: q12 leniwiec [1k\]: according to egd, b has beaten breakfast 3 times and lost only once sbdfbdfd: lol milan changing his opinion every 15 moves :D KoReNJe [3d\]: silt looks toasted leniwiec [1k\]: do you think that w is 3 stones stronger than breakfast? Q161 [?\]: milan have you beaten tianye? qgo [4k\]: the game is played in Amstelveen sbdfbdfd: well, breakfast isn't very strong Caelum [-\]: w wants to close moyo ? adalan [1k\]: q7 MilanMilan [9d\]: you should ask him... ClaireH [6k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 xiuce123 [3k\]: 这都是哪的比赛啊 Q161 [?\]: lol how? MilanMilan [9d\]: whether he wanna play with me \\ zenith [14k\]: thanks claireH nohoper [6k\]: does breakfast even exist? LEI0724 [8d?\]: 你丫回头准备给野座复个盘? NekoMeow [4d?\]: ye, they bumped into each others on the street one day, wasn't a pretty sight just9x9 [-\]: lol xiuce123 [3k\]: 也每个讲解啊 ] ;B[pm]C[Icare [1k\]: if b Q7 w can live under MilanMilan [9d\]: nice move Luffyop [1d\]: Q10 MrPopCorn [8k\]: i think w is attacking to let b living with very small areas ecstatic [9d\]: 野座认为局面应该更紧张激烈一点 Luffyop [1d\]: lol no vaxou [5k\]: nohoper, yes i meet him every morning :) nimrod [?\]: is w planning to sacrifice teh R8 stones and wall off the center? nohoper [6k\]: <----goes off to copy and paste some chinese alexanderp [?\]: well, wasn't it MilanMilan who lost to breakfast and was angry when breakfast said "typical mistake...for amateur"? just9x9 [-\]: n8 for free now just9x9 [-\]: o8 sry Icare [1k\]: w S5 then W S7 sente and W T8 and live sbdfbdfd: lol really alexander? Q161 [?\]: no thats not what happened at all alexanderp [?\]: i remember something like this... NekoMeow [4d?\]: I have a feeling.. MXHero [3d\]: i hope that didn't happen NekoMeow [4d?\]: that this wasn't the plan.. DeDe1234 [3k\]: is w alive ? Luffyop [1d\]: S5 isn't sente NekoMeow [4d?\]: or was holycarp [-\]: even aguilar win pros soemtimes Yurial [5k\]: r9 is sente, isn't it? (for w) ElDifunto [1k\]: w S7 lives small NekoMeow [4d?\]: o8 p7 q10 r9 q11 NekoMeow [4d?\]: I guess it's good enough LEI0724 [8d?\]: 杯具了? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes ElDifunto [1k\]: ws7 b elsewhere w s5 Cookiex [-\]: 为局面应该更紧张 NekoMeow [4d?\]: or Germoe [2k\]: how much time is left for both players? NekoMeow [4d?\]: q11 at p10 ecstatic [9d\]: 别着急野座有妙手 Cookiex [-\]: 紧张激烈一点 holycarp [-\]: that chinese guy is the only pro in the tournament? Yurial [5k\]: they look exhausted lol babbage [1d\]: r7 or s7? ichinomiya [8d\]: maybe w did missyomi? aquadude [1k\]: s6 ElDifunto [1k\]: s7 MXHero [3d\]: s7 seems shapier Onmyoji [2d?\]: i think w will take outside NekoMeow [4d?\]: o8 p7 p12 scurge [5d\]: what if just attari and extend? Luffyop [1d\]: if you are over there milanmilan, why are you not playing in the tournemant ? KoReNJe [3d\]: s7 looks pretty eyeable Yurial [5k\]: lol shapier Luffyop [1d\]: S7 S6 white dead ElDifunto [1k\]: wO8 gets the center MXHero [3d\]: although after s7 r7 does look vital Germoe [2k\]: EUROGOTV1 can you tell us how much time is left for both, please? Ateares [1k\]: q11 looks enough for white to live but he is trying to kill all of b in lower? ElDifunto [1k\]: a big exchange nohoper [6k\]: w abandon r side for a good centre MXHero [3d\]: no, if b plays s6 then w plays q10 and kills Icare [1k\]: if S7 b can't answer S6 luff nimrod [?\]: if S7/S6 w plays Q10, right? just9x9 [-\]: s7 s6 q10 and game over for b Webanim [1d\]: s5 ? Cookiex [-\]: all kyu talk, w kills black group and gets both right side and center!!!!!! you guys are not ambitious at all Cookiex [-\]: noobs ElDifunto [1k\]: w will play o8 gets center and left aji at write zenith [14k\]: lol umsteldum: b would answer s7 with p10 Nightfawk [2k\]: why is he looking up all the time ] ;W[rm]C[just9x9 [-\]: omg are u an ex cookie junkie? nohoper [6k\]: sequence please !! holycarp [-\]: ahaha lemming [1d?\]: how much time left for players? Luffyop [1d\]: hoh holycarp [-\]: they laugh-->owned ondrej EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B16 w 34 minutes left lemming [1d?\]: thanks ] ;B[oj] ;W[nk]C[Germoe [2k\]: thx atb12 [5k\]: s6 ? alexanderp [?\]: sorry for offtopic, but someone asked: http://www.gosensations.com/?id=2&expert_id=1&new_id=152 purun [6k\]: s5 umsteldum: o8 alexanderp [?\]: first comment exlains the bet brindille [3k?\]: I don't think it will last 34 more minutes... nohoper [6k\]: t8 benikano [4k\]: s6 Yurial [5k\]: p3 alexanderp [?\]: As I understand, breakfast never played this bet JEGO [8k\]: s5? Luffyop [1d\]: now the question is if S5 or S6 kill white MXHero [3d\]: gotta play s6 since it removes a liberty Goprince [3d\]: i think w is sacrifinice to get big center ElDifunto [1k\]: s6 is bad NekoMeow [4d?\]: s6 helps w to live Goprince [3d\]: sacrificing* ElDifunto [1k\]: yes MXHero [3d\]: does it? Nightfawk [2k\]: black gotta play agressive too wouldnt s 5 be a little lazy MXHero [3d\]: oh lol yes alexanderp [?\]: Goprince, what with p10 then? it can destroy center qgo [4k\]: s 6 NekoMeow [4d?\]: or maybe not ElDifunto [1k\]: Bs6 then r6 preparing sisho NekoMeow [4d?\]: or maybe yes ] ;B[ro]C[babbage [1d\]: can b kill r8 before w kills p8? Goprince [3d\]: w gets alot os sente moves for his center MXHero [3d\]: s5 makes better shape anyway ] ;W[nj]C[nimrod [?\]: if S6 w can wall off center and later play S4 big. Nightfawk [2k\]: lol have you heard ye did tccccchhhhhhh """ MilanMilan [9d\]: R8 was overplay Nightfawk [2k\]: seemed to be the right move ] ;B[oi]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: w lost 20 pts here BUM [7d\]: I liked r8 in the idea of direct cut and sueez umsteldum: considering all b groups are rock solid now, w centre will probably get reduced Goprince [3d\]: o8 p7 o11 o12 o5 ? Cookiex [-\]: lol alexanderp i just had a quick look at that game.... i thought breakfast was a chump before this, now i just htink hes an arrogant jerk :p MrPopCorn [8k\]: i really dont understand white play nohoper [6k\]: bttom r rock solid? ] ;W[rn]C[umsteldum: well, he kills w, so rock solid BUM [7d\]: eh Goprince [3d\]: ?? just9x9 [-\]: t8? MrPopCorn [8k\]: t10 kill ? just9x9 [-\]: what am i missing here? Goprince [3d\]: o7 now? ] ;B[qk]C[erikk [-\]: p5 sente ] ;W[sq] ;B[rp]C[kgsdyv [2d\]: oh Nightfawk [2k\]: life dead Nightfawk [2k\]: whos ahead JEGO [8k\]: p7 cut possible MrPopCorn [8k\]: well ! i dont understan nothing at all... or ye tian is drunk EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he, VIP-member erikk is watching^^ Nightfawk [2k\]: or u are just 8kyu qgo [4k\]: you are a poet Nightfawk nohoper [6k\]: w shoulda 06 for profit like i said twold [1k\]: mrpopcorn, i think both erikk [-\]: ^^ Nightfawk [2k\]: thank you qgo babbage [1d\]: p7 then p5? JEGO [8k\]: o8 or p5 MisterKyu [3d?\]: hi there ] ;W[ni]C[MisterKyu [3d?\]: 1p vs 6d, is that fair? MrPopCorn [8k\]: lol Nightfawk, when i say i dont understand nothing : that means i am aware to be 8k... whereas you dont seem aware to be 3k (not so great...) umsteldum: I guess the pros would now prefer b ] ;B[nh]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: 2k vs 4d ;d, is that fair? :p Nightfawk [2k\]: wanna sevure mid ? Goprince [3d\]: hane looks voerplay aquadude [1k\]: p12 Goprince [3d\]: overplay* Nightfawk [2k\]: *secure? Q161 [?\]: maybe after this w is demoted to 0.5p umsteldum: cut? cloud [2d\]: yeah why hane here ImNoSensei [-\]: hm hane important for libs chisiki: w planing chisiki: make big moyo on centre orntorenq: 0.5 still wins tho Nightfawk [2k\]: guess w gona die nohoper [6k\]: p12 = more points NekoMeow [4d?\]: being passive when doesn't have to can quickly turn a game around twold [1k\]: is this hane because of w p7? Onmyoji [2d?\]: i count w+37.5 Goprince [3d\]: o8 p7 p12 q12 p13 q13 o5 ? Onmyoji [2d?\]: whats ur count everyone`? KoReNJe [3d\]: 500 euros Goprince [3d\]: w has easy gamr barakeel [2d\]: good joke onmyoji Q161 [?\]: i count your mom onmyoji Luffyop [1d\]: can somebody tell who is winning? orntorenq: lol Goprince [3d\]: w wining qqdjki: white umsteldum: yes, onmyoji can atb12 [5k\]: 50 / 50 Fragrate [14k\]: is this on real tv? cloud [2d\]: i am not sure white can just take the center and win MrPopCorn [8k\]: is it possible W complicate the game for himself only to have fun ??? TSFTD [-\]: no chisiki: white in good position ] ;W[om]C[chisiki: but ] ;B[nl]C[Nightfawk [2k\]: the chinese probably thinking what he should have for lunch ] ;W[ml] ;B[nm] ;W[on]C[glint [-\]: Fragrate, it's on CNN, go look KoReNJe [3d\]: hah twold [1k\]: p7 works anyway o_O JEGO [8k\]: i have learn this sequence ! Fragrate [14k\]: cnn ? :D hoohoo [3d\]: harr jalan [4k?\]: old class? purun [6k\]: ladder >.< KoReNJe [3d\]: b is a toast NekoMeow [4d?\]: hmm? barakeel [2d\]: white live Q161 [?\]: and w is the jelly MilanMilan [9d\]: now b has 12min left barakeel [2d\]: ? NekoMeow [4d?\]: I think b can get neough libs... zenith [14k\]: is eurogo sitting there and replyaing it here? MilanMilan [9d\]: and w has 29 nohoper [6k\]: hmm blancmange anyone EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 MisterKyu [3d?\]: this is pro time vs amateur :) Q161 [?\]: milan is w always this unreasonable? KoReNJe [3d\]: is milan there? barakeel [2d\]: too hard for black here MilanMilan [9d\]: Tian looks shaked by his mistake... JEGO [8k\]: its a professional move indeed KoReNJe [3d\]: haha NekoMeow [4d?\]: ye NekoMeow [4d?\]: this doesn't seem to work.. purun [6k\]: i'm still curious why w play move as small as t3 NekoMeow [4d?\]: or am I wrong? KoReNJe [3d\]: milan's drunk obviously BUM [7d\]: how to solve this by b? roestvrij [3k\]: eurogotv 1 off air BUM [7d\]: u see milan? nohoper [6k\]: res works brindille [3k?\]: w's close to get a big center cloud [2d\]: n9? MilanMilan [9d\]: but fighting in this part seems hard to w mysterious [9d\]: i believe w will win this combat NekoMeow [4d?\]: p5 just works I think BUM [7d\]: w couldnt close big cetren without all the sacriface MrPopCorn [8k\]: is it possible W complicate the game for himself only to have fun ??? metta [2d\]: no EuroGoTV1 [-\]: anybody else no live tv stream? BUM [7d\]: *could ecstatic [9d\]: very possible givusaqiki [4k\]: o5? brindille [3k?\]: working here LeT63 [1d\]: working shaula [1k\]: live stream is working bolbi [-\]: stream iws working MilanMilan [9d\]: yes, you could see the TV jimmypap [-\]: i had to refresh Elohim [1k\]: working zenith [14k\]: yep working kgsdyv [2d\]: oh NekoMeow [4d?\]: r7 first tho nemo04 [?\]: stream seems OK glint [-\]: stream is working ] ;B[mm]C[MrPopCorn [8k\]: i watch tv but i stay here for comments nohoper [6k\]: high rank go players find the concept of fun totally alien ] ;W[oo] ;B[po]C[roestvrij [3k\]: On air chisiki: liberty chalange? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok purun [6k\]: acapture race started mysterious [9d\]: where to watch? chisiki: wa cloud [2d\]: w 5 libs EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 babbage [1d\]: p4 Fragrate [14k\]: black is losing pretty hard right now chisiki: is badly for black MilanMilan [9d\]: w put himself to boxing scurge [5d\]: go mano! Caelum [7k\]: ouh yeah Nightfawk [2k\]: img ] ;W[ll]C[squeeze [1k\]: white in trouble ? Fragrate [14k\]: but you'll see, black will invade in the center mysterious [9d\]: thanks Dantek [1k\]: dead groups soon Universe [1d\]: :) MrPopCorn [8k\]: big fight now Nightfawk [2k\]: b wins mysterious [9d\]: 直播能看见田队本人不? brindille [3k?\]: I don'T understand why w didn't just squeeze from the outside around n7 and p12/n12 MisterKyu [3d?\]: i think white can handle ndkrempel [4d\]: b O4? ElDifunto [1k\]: yes ecstatic [9d\]: 还有电视直播? Universe [1d\]: o4 brindille [3k?\]: would he lose on points if he got only the center? babbage [1d\]: b kill corner ndkrempel [4d\]: then w N6? MisterKyu [3d?\]: 应该吧 Fenix [?\]: game over desu? Ph1xi3 [-\]: B counting alot with nodding. MilanMilan [9d\]: yes, broadcasting by EuroGoTv elvard [3k\]: p3 ? mysterious [9d\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Universe [1d\]: lol mysterious [9d\]: 是指电视直播吧? scurge [5d\]: everybody is like black wins but i dont quiet see lsai [9d?\]: hard to b Midorya [?\]: are there results somewhere? ndkrempel [4d\]: white looks better Q161 [?\]: are other pros playing in this tournament? Caelum [7k\]: whats your opinion milan please ? :-) mysterious [9d\]: lsai comes JEGO [8k\]: black simply P4 , IGoofy [1d\]: b should simply play the best move MrOnizuka [-\]: o4 n6 .. cloud [2d\]: b looks dead Nightfawk [2k\]: p 3 Colorless [-\]: lol he leaves the table? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://goinamsterdam.nl/tournaments/amsterdam/results/ babbage [1d\]: b kills corner, w kills p8 ... holycarp [-\]: zomg unpolite cloud [2d\]: p3 lol... Onmyoji [2d?\]: escaper loolol zenith [14k\]: lol tanoshi [1d\]: how much time is left? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 5 W 27 minutes left Fragrate [14k\]: lol o5 is pretty good move nohoper [6k\]: p12 too slow but if w gets it more points NekoMeow [4d?\]: aaah NekoMeow [4d?\]: this looks bad cloud [2d\]: o5 doesnt work lemming [1d?\]: I don't get enough libs when I try o5 Luffyop [1d\]: seems black is in big trouble Nightfawk [2k\]: p 3 good or bad ndkrempel [4d\]: P3 gets O4 Caelum [7k\]: A19 big ImNoSensei [-\]: p3 definitely a bad trade Caelum [7k\]: ) lemming [1d?\]: p3 = game over for black Nightfawk [2k\]: or shall he play somethiong else instead? cloud [2d\]: p3 = resign Fragrate [14k\]: yes lemming [1d?\]: resign = resign ] ;B[mo]C[Fragrate [14k\]: black is lost ] ;W[mn]C[Fragrate [14k\]: lol Universe [1d\]: hmm Universe [1d\]: that was unexpected AetherSoul [6k\]: seems like tian expected it though chisiki: aw Colorless [-\]: white is responding pretty fast probably read it out already Universe [1d\]: indeed chisiki: her line of sword NekoMeow [4d?\]: we.. chisiki: is good MXHero [3d\]: m7 is probably the most difficult move ] ;B[lm] ;W[km]C[tanoshi [1d\]: black is a girl? ] ;B[ln]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: wasn't much of an option there ] ;W[no]C[chisiki: white need p3 ] ;B[kl] ;W[lj]C[Fragrate [14k\]: black takes too long time lol nimrod [?\]: nice. threatens w P3? Yurial [5k\]: o4...? Yurial [5k\]: nm miao [6d\]: yey ndkrempel [4d\]: b resign soon? miao [6d\]: 6d again =) sbdfbdfd: w some center.. but enough? chisiki: yea Q161 [?\]: yay miao! BUM [7d\]: just m5 MXHero [3d\]: o6 now right? miao [6d\]: :D Seagal [1k\]: i have a feeling b is loosing BUM [7d\]: or s8 first? MXHero [3d\]: oh neat! Thore [3d\]: gratuliere, Lucas jimmypap [-\]: losing* you mean? Seagal [1k\]: yep :) yun85 [3k\]: isnt q5 dieing? zazie [6d\]: congrats miao :-) miao [6d\]: danke MXHero [3d\]: m5 is so fancy Ph1xi3 [-\]: Gratz miao. Mind giving heavy opinion on the game? gogadget [4k\]: j8 ] ;B[jm]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: what a game lemming [1d?\]: k7 ?? XD BUM [7d\]: ha chisiki: ahh MilanMilan [9d\]: really enjoy to watch BUM [7d\]: good move chisiki: is noot good jalan [4k?\]: ? Fragrate [14k\]: is good Caelum [7k\]: good ? MilanMilan [9d\]: even though full of mistakes sbdfbdfd: BUM also csesch, like silt mysterious [9d\]: 有点危了啊 Fenix [?\]: isnt this futile struggling by b and pretty disgraceful? ecstatic [9d\]: 确实 ] ;W[kn]C[tanoshi [1d\]: Ondrej just head butted the board! scurge [5d\]: there must be some combo ] ;B[ko]C[AetherSoul [6k\]: only futile if it's clearly dead nimrod [?\]: hmm... if b captures L7 and K6 then w F5 group is weak ] ;W[im]C[AetherSoul [6k\]: this has some fight to it MXHero [3d\]: awesome sequence umsteldum: b got enough libs now nohoper [6k\]: j6 give b chances? chisiki: no scurge [5d\]: l9 + or -? AetherSoul [6k\]: i would j6 squeeze [1k\]: p3 ? ] ;B[in]C[AetherSoul [6k\]: wooooo ] ;W[jl] ;B[kk]C[lemming [1d?\]: he doesn't stop xD NekoMeow [4d?\]: :D Fragrate [14k\]: white responds fast!! chisiki: l10 Universe [1d\]: definitely complicated my laptop cooling fans are running now. twold [1k\]: go b. kill it all! lsai [9d?\]: wow ichinomiya [8d\]: k5 isbhal [-\]: go go go Ondrej !!! NekoMeow [4d?\]: well Ph1xi3 [-\]: b merely forcing. ecstatic [9d\]: 黑棋也相当矫健 NekoMeow [4d?\]: k5 would've been enough for b AetherSoul [6k\]: yeah, i would have k5.. NekoMeow [4d?\]: if this doesn't work now XD Universe [1d\]: n4 jalan [4k?\]: smell another ladder NekoMeow [4d?\]: he's gonna be sad :p sbdfbdfd: b risk? twold [1k\]: k6 group almost dead now. hard for w Luffyop [1d\]: M4 kill black without a doubt umsteldum: amazing how b pulled out of this dangerous situation chisiki: l10 MXHero [3d\]: w can only remove one liberty in sente with w k5 MilanMilan [9d\]: what? mysterious [9d\]: 田队该展示实力了 ] ;W[jo]C[NekoMeow [4d?\]: he must k5 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 MilanMilan [9d\]: time to resign NekoMeow [4d?\]: aaand... AetherSoul [6k\]: should have k5.... lsai [9d?\]: who? NekoMeow [4d?\]: this was just stupid of b... MisterKyu [3d?\]: L9 was definitely out of purpose MXHero [3d\]: oh wait is that the only liberty that matters mysterious [9d\]: b l9 too greedy jalan [4k?\]: observer should resign mazboy008 [1k\]: yep, blacks being outplayed theolddan [3d\]: who MilanMilan [9d\]: w suddenly power offf ecstatic [9d\]: b in panic sbdfbdfd: b on crack umsteldum: k5 instead of l9 would have won for b, no? MilanMilan [9d\]: b, sry chisiki: over shaula [1k\]: black in byo-yomi shaula [1k\]: may lost on time JEGO [8k\]: semeai there NekoMeow [4d?\]: no NekoMeow [4d?\]: this works MXHero [3d\]: o6 now? Fern [2k\]: n11 ? ] ;B[jp] ;W[jm] ;B[kp]C[tildebis [?\]: ? ] ;W[mp]C[tildebis [?\]: B did not read ? cloud [2d\]: ko? ecstatic [9d\]: w wins cloud [2d\]: impossible ko Luffyop [1d\]: byebye black erikk [-\]: B captures g7? atb12 [5k\]: dead lemming [1d?\]: time to resign JEGO [8k\]: yes white i good position now ] ;B[lo]C[Luffyop [1d\]: P3 !! jalan [4k?\]: forcing 6d to fill own libs is pro level MrPopCorn [8k\]: ? sbdfbdfd: b can only read 3 moves ahead ] ;W[lp]C[umsteldum: which is 3 more than you can MXHero [3d\]: l11 last chance LeT63 [1d\]: ok Midorya [?\]: is that a polish girl looking? Colorless [-\]: white leaves the table gogadget [4k\]: n11 ] ;B[mi]C[MrPopCorn [8k\]: aie ye tian quitt the chair, sure to win now cloud [2d\]: k9? lsai [9d?\]: m9? NekoMeow [4d?\]: .... MilanMilan [9d\]: ... scurge [5d\]: hihi BUM [7d\]: he run to talk with milan scurge [5d\]: reverse over:) kgsdyv [2d\]: ah ] ;W[lk]C[MilanMilan [9d\]: why M4? Luffyop [1d\]: M9 or N10 NekoMeow [4d?\]: and this is why you should stop when it's enough ;o scurge [5d\]: ah no :( mysterious [9d\]: m4 also works ImNoSensei [-\]: because B having 4 libs was good enough? :p BUM [7d\]: wait ImNoSensei [-\]: but 3 feels better MrPopCorn [8k\]: looks like hopeless battles i play vs stronger players when i dont want to surrender ! ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+T holycarp [-\]: vultures surround thetable he will resign soon scurge [5d\]: what isbhal [-\]: TèT squeeze [1k\]: good joke, by ImNoSensei Kayres [5k\]: over? CptHook [6k\]: yea k5 instead of L9 lsai [9d?\]: if w n10 , b can play L11 NekoMeow [4d?\]: l11 ? qgo [4k\]: throw in at o 4, then p3 Seagal [1k\]: i would have resigned! sbdfbdfd: L9 strange vanhala [7k\]: oh milanmilan 9d u see it? MilanMilan [9d\]: ... jalan [4k?\]: Time suji win Colorless [-\]: over, i think they are reviewing now scurge [5d\]: come on scurge [5d\]: add time! MilanMilan [9d\]: what a mess game... Q161 [?\]: lol babbage [1d\]: L11 mysterious [9d\]: w wants to remove b stone as soon as possible KoReNJe [3d\]: b will regret b3 NekoMeow [4d?\]: this is just futile ptpt [5d\]: K9. squeeze [1k\]: last try by black Chidi [3k\]: the game is over tanoshi [1d\]: B resigned ecstatic [9d\]: 野座在关键时刻顶住了 压力 Koffein [-\]: resigned by time MrPopCorn [8k\]: thats the end : the two players comment now CptHook [6k\]: L9 first? MrPopCorn [8k\]: watch on tv mysterious [9d\]: 惊心动魄的对局 Universe [1d\]: b wants j14 stones MrPopCorn [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 zenith [14k\]: what are they doing? Universe [1d\]: and m15 stones sbdfbdfd: poor play by silt ElDifunto [1k\]: B h7+ tildebis [?\]: yes not very good game fatihsulak [-\]: how to answer k9 now? MrPopCorn [8k\]: thats the end, go and watch here : http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 NekoMeow [4d?\]: what? Ludmila [6k\]: i would b3 at j9 :) ImNoSensei [-\]: exciting though NekoMeow [4d?\]: b is screwed.. orntorenq: k9 j9 Nightfawk [2k\]: m 4 NekoMeow [4d?\]: l9 probably the worst move in the game ;d hiss [-\]: ladder? CptHook [6k\]: L9 and b run out h7? hiss [-\]: oh, no Fenix [?\]: should b have played B3 at A1, to end the ko? scurge [5d\]: m3 really works right? Fenix [?\]: it seemed like it was the source of b's problems? squeeze [1k\]: this game is not following up with the stream Cookiex [-\]: so over holycarp [-\]: come on ondrej a facepal for the viewers holycarp [-\]: facepalm MisterKyu [3d?\]: are there games loaded everyday on EuroGoTV? orntorenq: sorry k9 h7 ElDifunto [1k\]: b no time to live glint [-\]: squeeze, the game has ended EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes SqueezeIt [1d\]: Milan? how w answers M3? dutch2dan [2d\]: .. qgo [4k\]: thanks Euro and KGS for making it possible to watch this really exciting game. bye Kayres [5k\]: who is that? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will upload this game in 30 minutes MisterKyu [3d?\]: oho , if it was 24/24 it would be so great:D EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx to IGS Nightfawk [2k\]: m3 last chance squeeze [1k\]: oh CptHook [6k\]: L10 and h7 then? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: MilanMilan now helping analysing Anima [2d\]: did black resigned yet? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+T ])