(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian] GN[Go to Innovation, Berlin round 3 board 1]PW[In-Seong Hwang]PB[Vladimir Danek]WR[7d]BR[5d]DT[2009-11-21]EV[Go to Innovation, Berlin round 3 board 1]RO[3]PC[Berlin]US[HW9x9]C[mikan [3k\]: I bet on the asian dude outsei [15k\]: what about this ] ;B[pd] ;W[dp] ;B[pq] ;W[dc] ;B[fq] ;W[hq]C[turk [6d\]: thank you ] ;B[cq] ;W[dq] ;B[cp] ;W[do] ;B[dr] ;W[er] ;B[cr]C[Rainletter [9k\]: =D ] ;W[eq] ;B[cn] ;W[po]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 KZhang [8k\]: is this a friendly? or a competition? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no login EuroGoTV1 [-\]: round 3 of the Go to Innovation tournament markpi [6k?\]: they have a tourney website? fireball1 [3d\]: w is a gook turk [6d\]: how else do you hold a tourney? cjr [-\]: or results? :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info for tournament site oonicks [-\]: jo egtv , thx ahead outsei [15k\]: o3 turk [6d\]: gook... this fireball guy is really a nice guy outsei [15k\]: or n3 ] ;B[mq] ;W[qq] ;B[qr] ;W[qp]C[fireball1 [3d\]: b'sname like rusian Gizensha [?\]: no stream... kane955 [3k\]: same ] ;B[pl]C[poirette [1d\]: for some reason, the live tv won't work, is anyone else having the same problem? alreadi: is there no admin to ban this guy immediately? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :-( poirette [1d\]: ah turk [6d\]: 'russian', how mild EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have the same probelem here Idn [2d\]: rhoo hamete ? ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: keeps loading gasana [7k\]: same... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no picture fesfe: working fine for me fireball1 [3d\]: this step is right litchy [1d\]: what is this championship? nikita5 [8k\]: How much time do they get? kane955 [3k\]: i hear it but dont see anything poirette [1d\]: 60 + 25/10 oonicks [-\]: last game w also waited some moments before playing after the roght bottom corner result poirette [1d\]: oh no poirette [1d\]: not sure about byo ] ;W[rr]C[oonicks [-\]: i think because he is cosnidering it as coming back in a 4h game fatihsulak [3d\]: k3 nikita5 [8k\]: Thanks. ZetsuboKun [5k\]: i thought it was progressive byo devastate [6d\]: q8 was bad EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is rkda [7k\]: video working fine for me d33zn4ts [-\]: what is progressive byo? poirette [1d\]: progressive? d33zn4ts [-\]: canadian? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but KGS cannot handle progressive by turk [6d\]: r8 better than q8 ] ;B[pr] ;W[kq]C[fatihsulak [3d\]: q2 very heavy devastate [6d\]: w already has iniative alreadi: r6 now? ZetsuboKun [5k\]: q8 looks a bit much oonicks [-\]: yes i thought b had to pressafter s2 devastate [6d\]: s3 k3 p2 still bad for b devastate [6d\]: s2* fireball1 [3d\]: how to show the num of stones? ] ;B[rs]LB[dc:4][pd:1][pl:21][cn:15][do:10][po:16][cp:9][dp:2][qp:20][cq:7][dq:8][eq:14][fq:5][hq:6][kq:24][mq:17][pq:3][qq:18][cr:13][dr:11][er:12][pr:23][qr:19][rr:22][rs:25]C[d33zn4ts [-\]: n5 ] ;W[mo] ;B[lp]C[fatihsulak [3d\]: this cant be good for black Pliniofilo [2d\]: l6 ? turk [6d\]: o2 poirette [1d\]: @fireball : if you want to do that, clone the game ] ;W[sr]C[Lionking [3d\]: I would play q2 in k3 ] ;B[kp]C[norgkost [8k\]: f5 big? ] ;W[jq]C[fatihsulak [3d\]: weakness left at o2 Idn [2d\]: they play fast oO fireball1 [3d\]: b is ponderous jojo75 [1k\]: R6 jojo75 [1k\]: big turk [6d\]: p5 works outsei [15k\]: they think so long ] ;B[kn]C[poirette [1d\]: @turk : what sequence please? ] ;W[mm]C[fireball1 [3d\]: how to show each move number ? turk [6d\]: p5 p6 o6, etc ] ;B[ip]C[poirette [1d\]: thx ] ;W[hp]C[turk [6d\]: nidan bane sheery [?\]: fireball1: to show moves, ctrl+click waffle [6k\]: these are amateur dans right? MatchFree [-\]: yurk doesnt that really hurt q8 stone? MatchFree [-\]: *turk ] ;B[ho]C[turk [6d\]: yes * turk [6d\]: ^^ norgkost [8k\]: j5 ? norgkost [8k\]: fight fight! ] ;W[go]C[turk [6d\]: q8 at r8 then b is pretty good GoShinobi [-\]: whats wrong with the stream? turk [6d\]: nidan bane nvano408 [9k\]: stream is working fine for me kane955 [3k\]: i had to get out of bed and switch computers so i could watch kane955 [3k\]: guess maybe doesnt work for mac? ] ;B[gn]C[fireball1 [3d\]: No,I didn't mean coordinate,i want numbe-1-361 turk [6d\]: good ^^ oonicks [-\]: i think the stream is overcharged and the nr of requests may gove us a grant:/ outsei [15k\]: f5? Gizensha [?\]: not working on my windoze d33zn4ts [-\]: fireball go clone ur own game u get ur numbers? kane955 [3k\]: vladimir german? testi5: phone number? rkda [7k\]: I show 34 viewers logged into the video stream, and working fine on my mac laptop...wireless on this end EuroGoTV1 [-\]: fore some: live TV feed of this game on http://EuroGoTV.com joachim [?\]: You could use a decent client like Goban joachim [?\]: unfortunately it doesn't work with kgs ] ;W[io] ;B[hn] ;W[jp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: problem is the server in the USA turk [6d\]: f5 so tempting.. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just this weekens, last weekend no problems EuroGoTV1 [-\]: weekend EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i hope they solve t problem soonhe alreadi: fighting spirit asks for f5 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i hope they solve the problem soon fireball1 [3d\]: b should feels satisfying ] ;B[jo] ;W[in] ;B[im] ;W[iq] ;B[jn]C[MatchFree [-\]: f5 doent realy do much though.. ] ;W[pi]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: question to who can see the live TV: is sound and picture ok? fireball1 [3d\]: w was leaved behind a little fesfe: b only play with triangles laia [10k\]: its fine for me (england) Trumelunki [4d\]: r13 enough? rkda [7k\]: working fine for me, California kane955 [3k\]: white is doing great! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx laia & rkda poirette [1d\]: laia : what browser? firefox? ] ;B[qg]C[laia [10k\]: yes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nothing to do with browser ] ;W[qh] ;B[pg]C[poirette [1d\]: this is strange... it allways has worked for me in the past, but not this time... ] ;W[ok]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for me even stranger, i can send but not see outsei [15k\]: p9is good gasana [7k\]: yep, me too, first time not working turk [6d\]: r12 is bad^^ fatihsulak [3d\]: white playing for territory verysmart [2k\]: Is q8 dead? fireball1 [3d\]: tell me please, can i see the number od stones i just play on web no client?? fatihsulak [3d\]: aji at r10 but q8 is almost dead Anana [2k\]: no way, fireball EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no fireball verysmart [2k\]: thx Toph [3k?\]: bR10 seems a good move to me, now fireball1 [3d\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: need an sgf viewer poirette [1d\]: fireball, go into options - analyse, to see the order laia [10k\]: euro do u relay the game watching this same live feed? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and view offline EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i sit beside the board ] ;B[pn]C[laia [10k\]: I was gunna say, u have good eye sight :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can watch fullscreen MatchFree [-\]: i think black should leave it untill the upper left hs been played.. alreadi: w has to keep this territory, otherwise r12 was terrible move laia [10k\]: unfortunatly not on this pc... it goes all funny whenever i put something in fullscreen ] ;W[qn] ;B[qm] ;W[rn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok Toph [3k?\]: Q6 was a serious threat for bottom right life fatihsulak [3d\]: p5 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: normally the viewer is 540 width, but now 388 because of low bandwidth rkda [7k\]: the KGS board updates about 3 or 4 seconds ahead of the video...it's an interesting reversal of the expected flow EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i can wait to move 5 seconds^^ fireball1 [3d\]: r10 rkda [7k\]: no, please don't, it's just an intersting perspective shift HTasker [4k?\]: I'm sitting at the event - my opponent didnt come... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi Am, will there be broadcast from EuroGoTV-Russia today? MatchFree [-\]: maybe o6 n6 o8 ? Trumelunki [4d\]: o6 if white connects o8 maybe fireball1 [3d\]: r10-s12-q10-p10-p11 Toph [3k?\]: painful to say, but p5 will give nothing now, so black need to secure his black group with R10 kane955 [3k\]: r10 s8 s12 r9 ? fatihsulak [3d\]: is p5 bad? ] ;B[qj]C[fireball1 [3d\]: r10-r11-q10-p10-o8 Toph [3k?\]: p5 to cut, but white can live easily in corner fireball1 [3d\]: b next aim O8 laia [10k\]: the video quality is good ] ;W[ph]C[fireball1 [3d\]: haha fatihsulak [3d\]: q12 funny shape :-) Toph [3k?\]: white is already preparing to survive in center EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you make me so jalous laia kane955 [3k\]: but sufficient here fireball1 [3d\]: now b jiust @s12 is satisfying fatihsulak [3d\]: p6 is ok now imo ] ;B[on] ;W[oo] ;B[nn]C[fireball1 [3d\]: w bad shape pali99 [5d\]: b alive mihi [4d\]: O5 fireball1 [3d\]: b @o8 w can't catch this group kane955 [3k\]: n6! Toph [3k?\]: yep, n6 seems better than o5 fatihsulak [3d\]: n6 most aggresive move mihi [4d\]: O5,N6,M5 mihi [4d\]: or O5,O8,M9 MrFofi [3d\]: w n4 ] ;W[mp]C[kane955 [3k\]: ...twice we have been outplayed =) fatihsulak [3d\]: o8 for a trade? Toph [3k?\]: if white can grow N6 group as he restrain black to go out, he could end victorious fireball1 [3d\]: if b want make 2eyes can drop s11-s12-s9,but, b can't doing like this sheery [?\]: Fireball1, then you can use Options->View offline and then in the new window Options->Number Moves .. (or Clone the game if you want the game to update for you), the numbers will be displayed only for 1 move variation though fireball1 [3d\]: b cut is great! ] ;B[lq] ;W[mn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: o8 only move now? pali99 [5d\]: p8 possible fireball1 [3d\]: hai! b cut is a good chance ] ;B[ol]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black alive i think wolokom [5k\]: Vladimir b? fatihsulak [3d\]: seems like r12 bad move EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes ILearnGo [1k\]: 7d vs 5d.. b gonna work hard.. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Vladimir is black kane955 [3k\]: whats first prize? Toph [3k?\]: and wO9 seems logical pali99 [5d\]: go vlada go! :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: prizes see tournament site EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1st 1000 euro ] ;W[nk]C[fireball1 [3d\]: if b's M3 @ m6-o3-m3-o2-013- b is better than now ] ;B[pj]C[kane955 [3k\]: how many rounds are there? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 8 ] ;W[ni] ;B[rm]C[pali99 [5d\]: is there a website with results? ] ;W[oq]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes fireball1 [3d\]: b lost a good chance kane955 [3k\]: black is in alot of pain YellowSnow [1d\]: i thought b was 6d? ] ;B[or]C[cjr [-\]: used to play as 6d YellowSnow [1d\]: ah pali99 [5d\]: can you give link euro? cjr [-\]: last year or two (or more?) plays as 5d EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info pali99 [5d\]: tx Trumelunki [4d\]: How is black in pain? Seens black lived quite nice kane955 [3k\]: psshht i play 9d....(when im dreaming) oonicks [-\]: at least for now seems b lives, in seong is really not an easy opponent , yesterday he won quitte effortlessly kane955 [3k\]: hwang has placed well or won several tournys latley? i feel iv seen him before? xDragon [11k?\]: hes been playing in euro tourneys lately sheery [?\]: Hwang won quite a number of tournaments againststrong players Pliniofilo [2d\]: r15 r16 q15 wolokom [5k\]: Ist das niicht alles klein? alreadi: he took 2nd place at EGC kane955 [3k\]: did he compete in the austrian tournament? fatihsulak [3d\]: black better imo ] ;W[qe] ;B[qd] ;W[pe] ;B[oe] ;W[rd] ;B[rc]C[oonicks [-\]: grosser als alles um r8;) fatihsulak [3d\]: seems this is also not very good for white pocketAces [6d\]: i disagree HTasker [4k?\]: white should be fine =) pocketAces [6d\]: this should work out well for white HTasker [4k?\]: right ] ;W[re] ;B[nd] ;W[ri] ;B[rj] ;W[of]C[Gizensha [?\]: umm Gizensha [?\]: eyes on the board Eurogotv... kane955 [3k\]: hehe ] ;B[nf] ;W[og] ;B[de]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Onmyoji [2d\]: i count b+43.5 fatihsulak [3d\]: i still feel like black better overall Trumelunki [4d\]: o17 looks strange, bad aji in the corner R [1k\]: I want to know who is better here. Dan-players, please make an unambiguous decision. fatihsulak [3d\]: probably i am wrong :-) kane955 [3k\]: black might have chance now....but white already has gotten some good yose position noned [1d\]: w shapes are very thick EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pairing and results will be on the tournament page in 45 minutes and will be updated every round from now ] ;W[ce]C[kane955 [3k\]: are there any other games goin on? fatihsulak [3d\]: avalanche good for black? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, many more games wolokom [5k\]: What b is doing can`t be very well i would du the same GoShinobi [-\]: d16 ] ;B[cf]C[kane955 [3k\]: usually you have two or 3 boards up kane955 [3k\]: not just the one fireball1 [3d\]: b 'M3 is right ,if m3@n6 --b cut m3 ,b can't alive (big 0ne eye die) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: has to do with money kane955 kane955 [3k\]: your in berlin....there should be euro trees growin over there =) alreadi: am not convinced by b o16, leaves big w endgame at s18 ] ;W[cd]C[kane955 [3k\]: people on welfare make more then the people work at mcdonalds =) fireball1 [3d\]: chrismas trees? Robinsa [3k\]: Well your name is kane, why dont you send some? ;) ] ;B[fo] ;W[gp]C[fatihsulak [3d\]: i am not sure about c14 Trumelunki [4d\]: I agree, shouldn't o16 be at p16? kane955 [3k\]: hehe yes but kane as in gaelic fatihsulak [3d\]: very aggresive Robinsa [3k\]: gaelic? Robinsa [3k\]: Thats a word I dont know ^^ kane955 [3k\]: like kane and abel not ka' ne... err irish alreadi: japanese fireball1 [3d\]: socialism is not bad Robinsa [3k\]: ah ok wolokom [5k\]: d 13? k 17? Robinsa [3k\]: gaelic = irish? Robinsa [3k\]: or Robinsa [3k\]: close to it kane955 [3k\]: ....i dunno im german! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is allowed to donate to EuroGoTV, or to become a VIP-member brainhead: celtic languages Robinsa [3k\]: Ah ok kane955 [3k\]: p17 ] ;W[me] ;B[ne]C[GoShinobi [-\]: l15 kane955 [3k\]: whats the entree fee? HTasker [4k?\]: 30 euro oonicks [-\]: yes it was terrible to see yesterday as well, i thought but b is taking more of the sides wich is smart against the light plays well that si my opinion cjr [-\]: so is there 6.5 reverse komi in this game? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 30 euro i believe, but nr 20 still gets 50 euro prize EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very well sponsored fireball1 [3d\]: b's step -k17 should @L17 kane955 [3k\]: whos sponsering? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see site cjr [-\]: it is a good type of tournament for Danek, he is good at points :) mafutrct [1k\]: how does white answer if black plays f18? Trumelunki [4d\]: what is correct in upper left for black? f18? mafutrct [1k\]: heh :P ] ;W[kd]C[fireball1 [3d\]: b'step -k17 should @ L17,b donesn'r afraid w invade @ J17,because ,b can @ g15 ] ;B[jd] ;W[je] ;B[ie] ;W[jf]C[MatchFree [-\]: i would say e18 as it has huge endgame left kane955 [3k\]: next time i visit germany ill try to participate =) ] ;B[if] ;W[jg] ;B[fb]C[StephanS [2k\]: where is the tournament? ] ;W[eb]C[mafutrct [1k\]: f18 also fixes h16 fireball1 [3d\]: j13 MatchFree [-\]: but b likes sente more :) Uberdude [5d?\]: f16 could be fun ko EuroGoTV1 [-\]: here ] ;B[rg]C[Farflame [2d\]: preparing threats HTasker [4k?\]: StephanS: go site StephanS [2k\]: which go site? alreadi: is not t10 sente for w? ] ;W[rh]C[StephanS [2k\]: of eurogo? fireball1 [3d\]: f13 HTasker [4k?\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html EuroGoTV1 [-\]: read top StephanS StephanS [2k\]: thx nsysu [1d?\]: Q14@,@ kane955 [3k\]: berlin fireball1 [3d\]: o13-p12-f13 StephanS [2k\]: ah didn't see it on the top^^ goblinking [2k?\]: don't understand 'preparing threats" concept .. isn't S13 a ko threat ? Larrave [2k\]: i thought so too kane955 [3k\]: black gains extra threat Pliniofilo [2d\]: I think it is for o13 ] ;B[ng]C[Pliniofilo [2d\]: :) goblinking [2k?\]: why ? .... if b play S13 as a first ko threat , he has exactly the same situation and has already played 1 ko threat Uberdude [5d?\]: goblinking, no Uberdude [5d?\]: w maybe decide to q14 Uberdude [5d?\]: to reduce number of threats Uberdude [5d?\]: and give b more there Uberdude [5d?\]: so b asks this question now MatchFree [-\]: and for black t16 // zc3k [1k\]: M12 goblinking [2k?\]: ok, then u mean w has 2 answerfs for S13 , 1 better but with ore ko threats, .. and if b plays S13 during ko fight, w will choose the secund one .. if b plays before, he plays the first one .. that's it ? Uberdude [5d?\]: yes goblinking [2k?\]: ok, thx ] ;W[oh]C[mafutrct [1k\]: why is o13 sente? xDragon [11k?\]: threatened p12 i think kane955 [3k\]: goblinking has now confused my sense of go Mumpitz [4k\]: p12 q14 p11 i guess cjr [-\]: Q14 + T14 cjr [-\]: also mafutrct [1k\]: i dont see how q14 works cjr [-\]: Q14 P12 T14 Mumpitz [4k\]: p11 cuts R12 fireball1 [3d\]: 013-p12-j13-k12-m14-m15 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: (still not here) live TV feed at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Vogel [1k\]: hey, danek is playing well, right? goblinking [2k?\]: kane : i have only ask questions to understand a move .. if the provided answer has puzzled you , probably you have learned sthg useful ... killbill [?\]: b need defend in upper right corner Korea4K [2d\]: F16 mafutrct [1k\]: well i read t14 not working << ] ;B[qb]C[cjr [-\]: hmm, doesn't actually work, just doesn't want that sente cut in the center then Pliniofilo [2d\]: ????? Pliniofilo [2d\]: d8 bigger df56: r18 only move Larrave [2k\]: r18 looks bigger alreadi: surely not bigger, as upper right corner would be w sente Pliniofilo [2d\]: yes but now c8... sfrex [2k\]: whats t14 for? sfrex [2k\]: t14 meaningless DarkHaze [-\]: c8 feels like overplay zc3k [1k\]: looks b+? kane955 [3k\]: no way df56: c8 looks good mafutrct [1k\]: sfrex see the context - question was why o13 was sente oonicks [-\]: q14p12 s14 t13 t14 t12 t16? goblinking [2k?\]: b situation looks not so bad ... Farflame [2d\]: videostream gone? fireball1 [3d\]: R18 is not as good as M14-m15-m11 ] ;W[ig]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if u had it just reload EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i know there is a video feed, becuase i am providing it, but i cannot see myself..... Farflame [2d\]: :-) Farflame [2d\]: does anyone have picture? forehand [9k\]: yeah forehand [9k\]: black's brain looks like its hurting ] ;B[fd]C[mafutrct [1k\]: q14 p12 s14 t15 kane955 [3k\]: plz stop with the q14 killbill [?\]: this ko is b fireball1 [3d\]: j14 killbill [?\]: this ko more serious on w’s side fireball1 [3d\]: next w J14, b is bad ] ;W[ge] ;B[hd]C[alreadi: hm, maybe not ideal timing for b to f16 after w j13 fireball1 [3d\]: j14 sill big point df56: b12 StephanS [2k\]: j14 already played YellowSnow [1d\]: w thick everywhere fireball1 [3d\]: w should @ D9 Namaskar [1k\]: that's right Stephan ... I'm wondering about the j14 comments, too fireball1 [3d\]: D9 fireball1 [3d\]: d9 ,now! Korea4K [2d\]: H14 for w fireball1 [3d\]: best timing for D9 barakeel [2d\]: start the ko^^ ] ;W[gg]C[kane955 [3k\]: d9 doesnt feel like whites style EuroGoTV1 [-\]: free beer now here kane955 [3k\]: lol euro go is gettn a beer Namaskar [1k\]: at lunch time? StephanS [2k\]: sure kane955 [3k\]: piltz? Uberdude [5d?\]: d6 ? Namaskar [1k\]: :) kane955 [3k\]: it looks like piltz beer killbill [?\]: w got something here Mumpitz [4k\]: you mean pils kane955 [3k\]: ya Farflame [2d\]: H13 to increase the ko fireball1 [3d\]: e6 not bad StephanS [2k\]: in bavaria many people have beer with their lunch or dinner alreadi: this sequence was strange: b forced w's only potentially attackable group (k15) to solidify ] ;B[bf]C[szaloony [3k\]: lunch AND dinner markpi [6k?\]: many bavarian have beer as dinner ] ;W[cl]C[fireball1 [3d\]: e6 is good StephanS [2k\]: beer is food^^ Uberdude [5d?\]: w has nice flow alreadi: beer is liquid bread ] ;B[dn]C[StephanS [2k\]: yes fireball1 [3d\]: w direction is right but, i think D9 is better than C8, Farflame [2d\]: now w becoming thin Uberdude [5d?\]: i suppose if b defended at d6 insetead of b14, w would b14? ] ;W[en]C[fireball1 [3d\]: b -b14 is peoblem move ] ;B[em]C[Farflame [2d\]: looks strange ] ;W[fm]C[fireball1 [3d\]: problem move--b14 alreadi: where is w thin? a single stone cannot be thin goblinking [2k?\]: any danger for M3 group ? Uberdude [5d?\]: yes fireball1 [3d\]: but w c8 invade too deep Uberdude [5d?\]: that's in w's mind Mumpitz [4k\]: he can give up H6 and capture c8, no? kane955 [3k\]: c8 is active threat great move alreadi: c8 was just for luring b into this sequence killbill [?\]: b’s situation worsen now ， center is in weak goblinking [2k?\]: mumpitz : H6 not in danger ... but the whole group M3 YellowSnow [1d\]: y, game over for b... too many groups Farflame [2d\]: whole w´s upper left is thin alreadi: but starting ko dangerous for b Mumpitz [4k\]: m3 will live. have some confidence ;) kane955 [3k\]: nice space ] ;B[dm]C[forehand [9k\]: stream switched boards fireball1 [3d\]: C11 Mumpitz [4k\]: and he still can k8 when j4 kane955 [3k\]: are you allowed to drink beer and play? alreadi: no, doping check after game Pliniofilo [2d\]: m4 will die or b win fireball1 [3d\]: C10 or c11 both work kane955 [3k\]: dang cant see the brand ] ;W[el]C[kane955 [3k\]: lol chess clock ] ;B[bm]C[killbill [?\]: b counterattack ，good move ] ;W[dl] ;B[fl]C[fireball1 [3d\]: w e8 good but d8 not good ] ;W[fk] ;B[gl]C[fireball1 [3d\]: d8 @ e9 is fine fhfhdfhj: e 10 Vogel [1k\]: be sure all w moves are good Uberdude [5d?\]: w sacrifice? ] ;W[ej]C[Larrave [2k\]: looks like kane955 [3k\]: can ama's play in pro events or are there two leagues? one strictly ama and pro? MHiver [-\]: no black can't ignore here fireball1 [3d\]: w hope to attack b group but, it doesn't work Larrave [2k\]: AMA= American Marketing Association Larrave [2k\]: xD alreadi: amas do not qualify for pro events kane955 [3k\]: qualify? Vogel [1k\]: be sure, what w think will work ickypoo [3k\]: please, what is time left for players? fhfhdfhj: sente alreadi: well, they are not admitted to participate klokta [1d\]: 60 minutes I think ] ;B[ei]C[klokta [1d\]: yesterday it was 45 minutes and tommorow will be 75 minutes IGoofy [1d\]: i tried to register for the honinbo final ] ;W[fi]C[klokta [1d\]: oh, I didn´t see left :) klokta [1d\]: sorry for ot kane955 [3k\]: se had corrected itself fireball1 [3d\]: i don't why b drop D7?? blu62 [6k\]: seems a close game? wolokom [5k\]: e 5 b? wolokom [5k\]: B9 fireball1 [3d\]: i don't know why b drop d7 ? b @ e8 feel good cjr [-\]: is it reverse komi or even game? ] ;B[di]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: even goblinking [2k?\]: cjr / options/rules df56: g7? d33zn4ts [-\]: i think tournaments always even ] ;W[bj]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not allways ] ;B[bi]C[cjr [-\]: i know, but in rules for the tournament is says "handicap reduced by 1 stone", but realised now it is according to score, not strength EuroGoTV1 [-\]: look at last edition of this tournament, many handicap gamnes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: games kane955 [3k\]: white may be able to fix b15 in sente now ] ;W[gm] ;B[hm]C[Korea4K [2d\]: b shouold f12instead b11 ] ;W[eo]C[sheery [?\]: and in many games black won even though max handi was 5 goblinking [2k?\]: cjr : i mean rules of the game in the options of the game ] ;B[fh]C[cjr [-\]: i know :) but easy to forget to set it there ] ;W[gi]C[alreadi: wow, w invade left side and kept f6 stones, something went wrong for b EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF&PHPSESSID=a1ki0ki1th53u2c6bnacom4jf0#n14 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF patos: six groups ;-) goblinking [2k?\]: vlad doesn't semm to take care about M3 ...; looks urgent, no ? kane955 [3k\]: so you get less points beating someone weaker then you with no handicap Larrave [2k\]: one going to die fireball1 [3d\]: a16 ] ;B[bk] ;W[bl]C[fireball1 [3d\]: a16 ] ;B[aj]C[alreadi: b9 too submissive, b cannot win on points fireball1 [3d\]: b15 Yanwangye [-\]: w leads? Vogel [1k\]: point differenz is important for this tourney right? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Vogel [1k\]: ok ] ;W[sm]C[TeHokioi [8k\]: How do you count a resign then? ] ;B[sl] ;W[sn]C[cjr [-\]: do results still go into normal GoR? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 100 points ] ;B[rl]C[Larrave [2k\]: sadistic tournmanet Vogel [1k\]: lol EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, no GoR Larrave [2k\]: going on to play with 50 points behind:D Vogel [1k\]: even with 97 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 40 points on the boars = 100 points EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board fireball1 [3d\]: b15 Vogel [1k\]: ok then with 39 ] ;W[nq] ;B[nr] ;W[nm] ;B[om]C[Larrave [2k\]: white preparing for the fight?=) Evaugh [3k?\]: L8 patos: e17 mirlipili [2k\]: L8 is nothing Yanwangye [-\]: whats with n18? smal? ] ;W[jl]C[YellowSnow [1d\]: w wants all goblinking [2k?\]: here we are ... d33zn4ts [-\]: haha goblinking [2k?\]: J5 ? goblinking [2k?\]: J4 sry Namaskar [1k\]: 15 w points in the centre (or a dead b group) ... kgandy0202 [24k\]: 33 kane955 [3k\]: k9 Mazerin [19k\]: more like l9 fireball1 [3d\]: h9 ] ;B[ip]C[Mazerin [19k\]: o.o oonicks [-\]: b doesnt really have many more points i think each has .. uh 36 or so before k8 fireball1 [3d\]: h9 BundK [1d\]: w has to win with 50+, doesnt he? mirlipili [2k\]: n12? nsysu [1d?\]: n13 @,@ patos: no kane955 [3k\]: black is troubled hes grabing more stones (mental coushin) ] ;W[hb]C[fireball1 [3d\]: b15 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: BANG! Larrave [2k\]: is that what the sound on the board was?^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no kane955 [3k\]: lol Mazerin [19k\]: g19? fireball1 [3d\]: center ,nothing in there EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that was the sound in Danek's head Vogel [1k\]: the sound th e player made while moving? ickypoo [3k\]: BUTTER Vogel [1k\]: ^^ d33zn4ts [-\]: it's the sound euro made Larrave [2k\]: the board collapsed kane955 [3k\]: the stream seems to be struggeling Vogel [1k\]: just l18? ] ;B[lb]C[ThePoint [2d\]: the handicap system of this tournament is too strange EuroGoTV1 [-\]: reload kane955 kane955 [3k\]: ich weiss Yanwangye [-\]: ^^ Larrave [2k\]: whos leading? Larrave [2k\]: the tourn patos: hwang EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html oonicks [-\]: in seong won all his matches +R so far i think Mazerin [19k\]: black is leading by abit ] ;W[mb] ;B[kb] ;W[mc] ;B[ib]C[nsysu [1d?\]: M2@,@ Onmyoji [2d\]: hi ] ;W[ob] ;B[nb] ;W[na] ;B[oc]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: i count w+32.5 alreadi: i wonder whether b should have tested w's answer to o4 much earlier goblinking [2k?\]: u counted a huge w center then ... fireball1 [3d\]: whoy is this guy-EuroGoTv? kane955 [3k\]: i got around 25 TeHokioi [8k\]: and counted SE forehand [9k\]: onmyoji = se in kibitz form goblin forehand [9k\]: if you haven't noticed in any other games BundK [1d\]: Oh vs Lin is board 2? ] ;W[be]C[noned [1d\]: w leads ] ;B[hk] ;W[ij]C[Mazerin [19k\]: should end with black + ~7.5 Pliniofilo [2d\]: e1 Yanwangye [-\]: where was move 168? ] ;B[hj] ;W[hi]C[nsysu [1d?\]: H9@,@ fireball1 [3d\]: is EuroGo Tv a Dutchman? Pingu007 [3d\]: b15 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: some of us are/i am Pingu007 [3d\]: (for yanwangye Yanwangye [-\]: thx =) Yanwangye [-\]: i see ;) ] ;B[lf] ;W[lg]C[golife [1d\]: L12 not bad kane955 [3k\]: what they just do with clocks? golife [1d\]: m12 sorry EuroGoTV1 [-\]: byo yomi polter [4k\]: KGS counts now 118 for w :-)) goblinking [2k?\]: b M13 better than M14 ? golife [1d\]: b should m12 ] ;B[mf]C[Mazerin [19k\]: n14 l15 ] ;W[ke]C[golife [1d\]: l14 Mazerin [19k\]: m16 ] ;B[kl] ;W[kk] ;B[ll]C[fireball1 [3d\]: yanwangye == king of hell? ] ;W[lk] ;B[mh] ;W[lr] ;B[mr] ;W[kr] ;B[io] ;W[gd] ;B[fc] ;W[hc] ;B[gb]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: shape^^ Paradize [1k\]: what s about E17 ? ] ;W[he] ;B[id] ;W[ec]C[bluetable [-\]: cut doesn't work ] ;B[ha] ;W[am] ;B[an]C[Onibaku [10k\]: C 7? Mazerin [19k\]: lol nice try by white? alreadi: w considering b5 ] ;W[co] ;B[bo] ;W[al] ;B[bq]C[Larrave [2k\]: white insane Namaskar [1k\]: njice Larrave [2k\]: black squeezed all around the board ] ;W[eg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+R Paradize [1k\]: ^^ Paradize [1k\]: he s too evil lessdrunk [13k?\]: it is over? alreadi: this i do not understand. If points are important why does b resign close game? Francois15 [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Idn [2d\]: where is black point ? oonicks [-\]: 16 pts and a bit in the centre behind now Mazerin [19k\]: they're both insane alreadi: so why resign if resign is 100p? glint [-\]: Mazerin, no need to be rude kane955 [3k\]: when does next round start? seigneur [3k\]: m12 ? LargoWinch [3k?\]: Black invade twice and save all the group but white ahead... cjr [-\]: can't understand the resign though oonicks [-\]: b15 was so huge cjr [-\]: why give up 100 points... doesn't like tournament format? forehand [9k\]: loss is worth 0 points whether you resign or not forehand [9k\]: or no? oonicks [-\]: i think it is part of the unwritten go tradition about 15 points and that it would be deiscriminating against hwang not to resign ebcause that way other ppl... BundK [1d\]: not here oonicks oonicks [-\]: well it seems a lot of points oonicks [-\]: 100 oonicks [-\]: i think by redfucing b so much after k8 and getting b15 he well deserves it oonicks [-\]: if b had played there it would be different kane955 [3k\]: when does the next round start? LargoWinch [3k?\]: Black was too jalous in this game isn't it ? BundK [1d\]: did b already resign? oonicks [-\]: to carefull a bit oonicks [-\]: he never jumped even 1 behind w lines oonicks [-\]: although he made every live invasion he was sure he could oonicks [-\]: wich he does neatly btw oonicks [-\]: and teh start was to heavy i think kane955 [3k\]: there was a sure sign of two strength difference kane955 [3k\]: stone* oonicks [-\]: for b to start with that o2 group that made 2 (well 4 perhaps ) points oonicks [-\]: especially in hindsight running into the centre i s'pose fireball1 [3d\]: a german names yanwangye---the king 's name of hell he is clever ThePoint [2d\]: if w win by 0.5 points white got 60 and black 40 tournament points fireball1 [3d\]: b lose EuroGoTV1 [-\]: eurogotv-news updated ])