(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[77.50]TM[4500]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Go to Innovation, Berlin, Final (77.5 reversed komi)]PW[In-Seong Hwang]PB[Alexander Kurz]WR[7d]BR[3d]DT[2009-11-22]EV[Go to Innovation, Berlin, Final (77.5 reversed komi)]RO[8]PC[Berlin]US[HW9x9]
;B[dd]
;W[oq]
;B[pd]
;W[cp]C[bakounine [3k\]: komi=77.5?
saym [3d\]: behold =D
bamboleo [6d?\]: ????????
thisheart [5d\]: w+
dM01 [4k\]: lol hard game for b
Javaness [2d\]: they swopped handicap for komi?
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;B[ep]C[CardiffGo [1k?\]: But why 77.5?
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;W[dn]C[bakounine [3k\]: lol
method [-\]: germans are strange indeed ;\]
bakounine [3k\]: like 7 handi
KZhang [8k\]: 77.5 is ridiculously large
GoShinobi [-\]: eurogo,isnt hwang the tournament winner also if he loses ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 6 stones is 78 points komi
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;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[dq]C[satakieli [1d\]: is this theyer point difference after previous games
]
;W[hp]C[Francois15 [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
bakounine [3k\]: ok^^
klabauter [2d\]: Eurogo put the handi for the wrong player
vogelfrei [1d\]: Behold!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, he is allready the winner
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;B[br]C[GoShinobi [-\]: cool;)
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;W[bp]C[CardiffGo [1k?\]: Bu 7d -3d is not 6 stones
voldie [-\]: by the way can someone explain how the score is computed in the score column in the results page?
bakounine [3k\]: my world crash ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rules -> http://goblin.spiel-go.de/pages/description/en.html
voldie [-\]: sorry I don't get it from that page
Javaness [2d\]: it is bagneki
voldie [-\]: I understand that the points are the hahn points according to the point result of the games
voldie [-\]: but I still don't get what the score is
satakieli [1d\]: is 77.5 komi misclick
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;B[en]
;W[em]
;B[fn]
;W[do]C[uller [-\]: "-77.5" ?
HTasker [4k?\]: 77,5 komi is right
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: Thankyou for bringing us this game EuroGoTV
Joilari [13k\]: ridiculous indeed
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes -77.5
Medice [4d\]: no, they just came to the conclusion that white has too much of advantage going second and gave some for black
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;B[fq]
;W[gq]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: Behold! -77.5 komi for white is brutal!
coldnight [1k\]: k4 !!
otakuchan [1k\]: in be4 ra~ped
Javaness [2d\]: hark at white's fell play!
kolben [3k?\]: white must win with 78 Points?
bakounine [3k\]: interresting  rules
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
rsgshs: es says white is leading by 83
otakuchan [1k\]: rawr+
rsgshs: so np
coldnight [1k\]: this game is ganna be very ver hard for white
gisel [2d\]: this seems too much, even for Hwang
aboulafia [-\]: w just has to kill 2 or 3 huge groups
HTasker [4k?\]: "just"
voldie [-\]: so can someone explain how white has 1679	in the score field?
vogelfrei [1d\]: yeah just kill the 3d noob!
bakounine [3k\]: in fact w loose for 67.5 points
rsgshs: 1 kill might be enough
rsgshs: but will black let him?
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;B[ek]
;W[fm]C[otakuchan [1k\]: w will destroy b psychologically
WVoron [4d\]: page of tournament??
vogelfrei [1d\]: whats up with the live stream
coldnight [1k\]: why is black attacking the strong side
Francois15 [11k\]: Why this huge handicap for white?
Zahlman [1k\]: because of previous results in the tournament
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there are international network problems
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;B[gm]C[ThePoint [2d\]: Why has Per h4 and alexander just black?
WVoron [4d\]: ok
Francois15 [11k\]: Why it's not 4 stones?
coldnight [1k\]: should b 8 stones
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;W[gl]C[HTasker [4k?\]: look at komi
coldnight [1k\]: and that is too much
Zahlman [1k\]: because the tournament says so
OttosMops [2k\]: coldnight: bec he feels string enoguh on the weak side, + he gets invasion points on the ul
Zahlman [1k\]: handi stones worth more than 10
Zahlman [1k\]: more like 13 or 14
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;B[fl]C[rsgshs: ow man, this is gonna be trouble for black
]
;W[dl]C[badukmgl [1d\]: what's going on?tournament?
pebarefoot [-\]: yep
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: WHy do strong Dan players play strange go?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Zahlman [1k\]: "strange"?
satakieli [1d\]: they can
butters: this tournament system is really nonsensical. 4 handi for one 3d, no handi to another which is further down in wall list
OttosMops [2k\]: confuseki: 77.5 reverse komi
uller [-\]: strange Dan plain Go)
Excalibor [-\]: -77.5 komi, awesome
voldie [-\]: and no score explanation available
pebarefoot [-\]: same as yesterday 4 me, small screen OK, big not
butters: what, b gets 77.5 komi?
profan [6k?\]: are they playng or game is suspended?
ThePoint [2d\]: this version of Alexander Eckerts goblin has too strange paarings
coldnight [1k\]: OttosMops , he is not invading becoes this area is not white area to begin with and to attack the stronger area is so often just creating a weak group  next to a strong group
OttosMops [2k\]: voldie: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HahnPointingSystem
Idn [2d\]: In-Seong Hawang, the 3d killer !
aboulafia [-\]: sure OttosMops
aboulafia [-\]: but that doesn't quite explain the score it seems
voldie [-\]: OttosMops: that explains the column points, but not the score
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;B[hm]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: the livestream just keeps on loading and loading
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: can anybody who can see the stream tell his location?
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;W[gk]
;B[dk]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: HH here, negative
badukOD: London ok
pebarefoot [-\]: Calif.
zongzi [6k?\]: Zurich negatieve
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;W[fp]C[Blarf [10k\]: nothing in lausanne
HTasker [4k?\]: at the tournament location, negative
satakieli [1d\]: Sweden fail
vogelfrei [1d\]: oh. do you need to create an account to view?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
Meyos90 [8k\]: im logged in and it doesnt work 
voldie [-\]: OttosMops: from that site a player who played 6 rounds, can get at most 600 points, but the first player has a score of 1679
vogelfrei [1d\]: well seems like the servers aresmoking
Kickchon [14k?\]: works in sendai, japan
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so USA, UK and Japan have no problem, rest of the world no picture......
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;B[eo]
;W[fr]C[C0nfuseki [2d?\]: I am in Australia... I can see it.
vogelfrei [1d\]: other boards are fine
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ah
Francois15 [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
oonicks [-\]: i wanted to say, u net new sealand and india can see it:)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ASA, UK, Australia and Japan
Dedalus [7k?\]: ok  in France too
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;B[eq]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: merde :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so Holland, Germany and Swiss cannot see it
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: I prefer watching it here on KGS (less bandwitdth)
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;W[ck]
;B[cj]
;W[bk]C[ferl [7k\]: no picture in austria too
vogelfrei [1d\]: sorry, but which round and board is this game?
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;B[di]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: last (8) round board 1
vogelfrei [1d\]: thx
OttosMops [2k\]: voldie: the score is probably the european go rating score
pebarefoot [-\]: COnfuseki, still using dail up ?
Sokaris [13k?\]: is it live ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ThePoint [2d\]: they exchange 13 komi for every handi
pebarefoot [-\]: no, Memorex
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;W[jk]C[badukOD: b play so solid
pebarefoot [-\]: Sokaris
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;B[jm]C[voldie [-\]: what is the european go rating score
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: ADSL2+
butters: 77 points looks impossible for w
pebarefoot [-\]: hmm
OttosMops [2k\]: voldie: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/
oonicks [-\]: like in previous games against hwang b created a group with minimla territorial potential early
voldie [-\]: isn't their go rating in the Strength column?
apollyon [16k\]: uk ok
]
;W[lm]C[voldie [-\]: so it's 2762 for in-seong, not 1679
satakieli [1d\]: w won 4 handi game with over 40 points against 3D
OttosMops [2k\]: oops, ok, i didn't look at the results list 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, that colom is rating - hahnscore or something
coldnight [1k\]: \\m7  Awosome
voldie [-\]: which something ?
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;B[kl]C[voldie [-\]: my question is how the score is computed
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;W[in]C[C0nfuseki [2d?\]: hmmm... (are they packing up the boards already? I can see it in the background)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know voldie
coldnight [1k\]: Huge move
voldie [-\]: my understanding is that "Points" shows the hahn score, the one explained in the sensei lib page
voldie [-\]: but what is the score...
Javaness [2d\]: maybe download goblin
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;B[im]
;W[ko]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rating+hahn-1000?
Anekdoten [-\]: 77.5 points ≠ 6stones
pebarefoot [-\]: poor b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 6 stones=78 points here
otakuchan [1k\]: stupid system
CardiffGo [1k?\]: But 7d-3d <> 6 stones
Anekdoten [-\]: points are cash, stones need to be used to be efficeint
rinpa [2k\]: score=themacmahon score, obviously
rinpa [2k\]: hwang started with 1100
vogelfrei [1d\]: b got himself running eraly
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black player had the choice between 6 stones or 78 komi
OttosMops [2k\]: top bar is 2300, so everybody with a rating high
coldnight [1k\]: I remeber some one saying a handi stone is worth more then 10 points, I dissagree a handi stone is worth  1 44corner and a 44 corner has about 10 points on the inside or out side
OttosMops [2k\]: er than that starts wit 1000, or sth
butters: I would actually feel more confident with 6 handi than 78 komi
vogelfrei [1d\]: probably yes
tobe30k [1d\]: you do?
Anekdoten [-\]: Then black was very wise to take points ^^
badukOD: hmm don't like handi stones make me feel weak
voldie [-\]: ok rinpa, thanks
tobe30k [1d\]: but you are
cjr [-\]: so far black not bad
cjr [-\]: should play an extra move in center
mistake [1d\]: 1 stone = 2 * komi
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;B[ji]C[coldnight [1k\]: I dont think Hwang will be able to win this game it is too much of a handi but all around I like the whole j6 l5 m7  so much that I would say Id enjoy ploaying white in this game
coldnight [1k\]: playing*
Anekdoten [-\]: in this game b just has to play solid and safe 
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;W[kk]
;B[ll]C[Anekdoten [-\]: let w make the job
cjr [-\]: easier said than done
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;W[ij]C[oonicks [-\]: w has to cut evrything and keep as many b groups seperated as he can
Anekdoten [-\]: 77 points lead make u feel very cool 
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;B[hh]C[oonicks [-\]: b like 50 points ahead:o
tobe30k [1d\]: so one handy stone is about 13 pts?
coldnight [1k\]: Anekdoten I dissagree solid and safe can become passive unless you culculate accretly
pebarefoot [-\]: I'll bet In-seong will find a way to slice and dice his way to victory
oonicks [-\]: *60 even)
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;W[gh]C[C0nfuseki [2d?\]: Exactly Anekdoten... that's why i was wondering why Black decided to play very agressive on the bottom left instead of trying to go for basic shapes (eg: san-ren-sai on the top)
cjr [-\]: don't like h12 so much, think M9 is nice
Javaness [2d\]: well black doesn't want to fight with white
Javaness [2d\]: or he will be destroyed
Hanne [3k\]: g9 group = problem
coldnight [1k\]: calculate accurately*
The2ndLine [2k?\]: u can say the bottom w is 70 points
vogelfrei [1d\]: why
oonicks [-\]: g12 is a good move to disturb the calculations
ibd [7k\]: whats up with komi??
OttosMops [2k\]: rating = starting score + points
vogelfrei [1d\]: its huge
coldnight [1k\]: The2ndLine: that is an exaggeration
vogelfrei [1d\]: the real question is, how proud will B be when he wins :D
deft [3d\]: I would be tempted to play M9 here
deft [3d\]: but many choices
Anekdoten [-\]: With this lead you can almost allow yourself passive play :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: points+1100=score
deft [3d\]: all of them will probably lose in the end ;)
coldnight [1k\]: 30-40 points max
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;B[gi]
;W[hi]
;B[fi]C[coldnight [1k\]: nice
otakuchan [1k\]: w overplaying lolz
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: yes... those black stones need to be given somewhere to run to. (White cut at G6 doesn't do anything nasty  -- yet.
ibd [7k\]: j12 
coldnight [1k\]: white has to over play
satakieli [1d\]: w need 77.5 + 40 to get full scores
butters: would be surprised if w gives up g9 cutting stones
Shaomi [-\]: g13 
cjr [-\]: black good so far
badukOD: not has to overplay- just punish mistakes
mistake [1d\]: komi should be -77.5 instead of 77.5, right?
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;W[gg]C[oonicks [-\]: actually he needs to overplay about 1 point per move
gogonuts [5d\]: i really hate the "innovations2 of go to innovation
vogelfrei [1d\]: reverse komi = -
Anekdoten [-\]: w needs to kill twice to win
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;B[ih]C[coldnight [1k\]: if he just waits for misstakes to be made he will never get those 80 points
cjr [-\]: nice to have some tournaments which are not the same as all others i think :)
gogonuts [5d\]: definitely the tournament with the most rediculous rules
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;W[ii]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: and yout not in :=
butters: but attractive to watch
elohimmeth [2d\]: hehe its but its fun
yithril [3d\]: ridiculous rules?
butters: better than just see a 7d slaughter a 3d in even game
satakieli [1d\]: e3 will die in the end
gogonuts [5d\]: right :-)
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;B[jh]C[Javaness [2d\]: what's wrong with some fun rules
vogelfrei [1d\]: id prefer a 4 stone handi though
klabauter [2d\]: r8 will die
yithril [3d\]: what are the rules?
Shaomi [-\]: e13 
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;W[lk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: the had other really bad rules before
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: score=points+(1200-Group*100)
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;B[ml]
;W[eh]C[coldnight [1k\]: rango is also very fun and rango turnies can get amazing
marius1 [1k\]: complicated game
coldnight [1k\]: rengo*
gogonuts [5d\]: the number of wins in a row gave you a big bonus, so losing at the beginning and winning the rest against weak opponents gave you a great result
marius1 [1k\]: looks like titi and rominet fight
gogonuts [5d\]: do they still do that?
Anekdoten [-\]: mdr
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: is white looking to play E 10 next??
coldnight [1k\]: why did white make the m9 n8  trade first?
badukOD: why b has 6h equivalent?
coldnight [1k\]: aho wait I get it
cjr [-\]: e11 first
deft [3d\]: E12 doesn't really threaten to cut, does it?
coldnight [1k\]: Later can also attack k12 
cjr [-\]: c7 an interesting point for b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results round 7 online
Idn [2d\]: f9 
deft [3d\]: actually E11 is best ... after that B has H9 to capture two stones
Empy [6k\]: f9 not needed, if w f9 it's atari on the 2 cutting stones.
gogonuts [5d\]: not everything is bad - fast online results is nice
vogelfrei [1d\]: h9?
vogelfrei [1d\]: oh
deft [3d\]: or maybe H9 doesn't capture? anyway, it's a good move left after E11
vogelfrei [1d\]: too simple
deft [3d\]: so no worry about W gets one more move on the left
MrFofi [3d\]: e11 only move
butters: if b captures g9 cutting stones, game is almost relaxing for him
cjr [-\]: basically captures
gogonuts [5d\]: relaxing except for the komi :-)
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;B[fh]C[butters: ?
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;W[fg]
;B[eg]C[Laman [1k\]: it is reverse komi
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;W[dh]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: h9 h8 and then?
]
;B[ei]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b gets 77.5 komi, look at the headline
Empy [6k\]: J9.
deft [3d\]: removing your liberties before connecting is not usually tesuji
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ko ko ko!
vogelfrei [1d\]: j9 j8 atari and no capture
deft [3d\]: :P
badukOD: b crude
butters: what is not relaxing about getting 77 komi?
tobe30k [1d\]: b gets 77,5 reverse komi?
vogelfrei [1d\]: yes
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;W[ch]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: thats fun heh?
gogonuts [5d\]: w is vogelfrei
Shaomi [-\]: looks dangerous
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
vogelfrei [1d\]: for sure not?
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;B[ef]C[butters: how do you do that, vogelfrei?
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;W[fe]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: i couldnt beat w with 77 -komi
The2ndLine [2k?\]: b only has to live small over the whole board
vogelfrei [1d\]: wrong
gogonuts [5d\]: its an old equivalent of wanted dead or alive
vogelfrei [1d\]: that kind of attiltude will loose you the game
deft [3d\]: h9 h8 j8 j9 g10 h10 f9 h9 c11
deft [3d\]: B has basically won after that sequence, and it's completely forced
satakieli [1d\]: e11 is soon first kill for w
gogonuts [5d\]: w has a sente cut at g6, so if he gets strong at the top left bs center will suffer
Gigot [4k\]: can really white win with more than 78 points ?
marius1 [1k\]: E11 not died yet
Laman [1k\]: we will see, if he can
deft [3d\]: g6 g5 h6 g4 isn't such a great cut for W
vogelfrei [1d\]: : h9 h8 j8 j9 g10 h10 f9 h9 c11???  h10 is self atari. w will g10 take 3 stones
tobe30k [1d\]: who is pwned?
ural2001 [16k\]: rehi ALL !!!
gogonuts [5d\]: if w captures the left group hes well int he game :-)
The2ndLine [2k?\]: u musnt take risks
Shaomi [-\]: no risk no fun as they say. ..
ThePoint [2d\]: in this tournament a player with 8 close wins has less points then one whith 5 high wins
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ural2001 [16k\]: nice
marius1 [1k\]: and losses also count in negative ?
macisajt [7d\]: i hope this tournament not calculated in european rating
tobe30k [1d\]: is it an experiment with reverse komi?
Deva [2d?\]: guess i am lucky :-)
puros [1k?\]: so ridiciluos system
coldnight [1k\]: f9 g10 c7 c8 b10 d7 b12 
marius1 [1k\]: not good turmament for lee chang ho
butters: would be very funny if such tourneys were counted
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, people who did not play this tournament will lose 15 EGF ratingpoints
cjr [-\]: enough comments on system now? :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i w wins it will leave a dent is bs selfconficence :-)
vogelfrei [1d\]: if b wins will he be proud?
puros [1k?\]: really eurogo??
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if they are from Hungary yes
coldnight [1k\]: dudes b10  is sente for blac
vogelfrei [1d\]: anyway b managed to gethimself in trouble quick
vogelfrei [1d\]: w got the game he wanted
coldnight [1k\]: black
cjr [-\]: h9 enough though
cjr [-\]: just a matter of finding it
vogelfrei [1d\]: i still dont see h9 working
MrFofi [3d\]: h9 eyes
Nebelmeer [12k\]: h9 h8 and then?
Rossco [4k\]: b11 work?
deft [3d\]: you mixed up the B and W moves when you looked at my sequence, vogelfrei
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: i can see Black H9, White H8, Black J8
DeadTired [2d\]: the sequence for h9 was posted above... do you want to repeat it?
deft [3d\]: it's basically a squeeze by sacrificing H9
vogelfrei [1d\]: to gain f9?
MrFofi [3d\]: h9 h8 j8 j9 g10 ...
coldnight [1k\]: h9 j9 g10 h8 j8 j9 f9 b10 
deft [3d\]: then B lives locally and either C12 or L9 is in big trouble
deft [3d\]: W can't handle both
badukOD: b using alot of time
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;B[cf]C[coldnight [1k\]: aho he missed its
butters: c14 was not good
coldnight [1k\]: it*
cjr [-\]: now dangerous yes
marius1 [1k\]: is time also money in this turmament ?
badukOD: b10
cjr [-\]: but seems it is hard for white to take away that sequence still
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: top prize is 1000 euros
coldnight [1k\]: b10 
deft [3d\]: G10 wins the semeai I think
Gigot [4k\]: 1000 € for black if he wins?
HTasker [4k\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, white allready tournament winner
MrFofi [3d\]: b11 and very happy w
HTasker [4k\]: 1000 € for white if black wins
Rince [7k\]: h9, g10?
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;W[bj]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: oh
vogelfrei [1d\]: now i see
coldnight [1k\]: yay i was right :P
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: :-/ So we're watching a "victory lap"?
vogelfrei [1d\]: had some bricks in front of eyes
Javaness [2d\]: H9
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;B[he]C[deft [3d\]: W decided that B didn't see it before so he isn't going to see it now?
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;W[ge]
;B[hd]
;W[fc]C[Javaness [2d\]: i guess so
Javaness [2d\]: it's a good strategy
vogelfrei [1d\]: 77 points = risk to win
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;B[ec]
;W[fb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good suggestion marius, next year you can buy 5 mins for 10 euros :-)
Rossco [4k\]: hard life for w
deft [3d\]: if you're giving 77 points I guess it's a good strategy
Javaness [2d\]: ;-)
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;B[hb]C[butters: w wins semeai now
coldnight [1k\]: c11 b11 h9 j9 g10 h8 j8 f9 j9 h9 e10 
vogelfrei [1d\]: for how long will you let it sit there though
coldnight [1k\]: black lives inside
badukOD: kill the corner!
HTasker [4k\]: bye bye left upper corner
DeadTired [2d\]: even better, 200 euro buys an extra handi stone
coldnight [1k\]: kill what corener
coldnight [1k\]: corner
marius1 [1k\]: first chess turmaments you could pay for extra  time
Idn [2d\]: h9 w anser h8 
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;W[gj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b bought 2 of those?
vogelfrei [1d\]: good w
vogelfrei [1d\]: one down
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;B[eb]C[cjr [-\]: proper w
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: YAY! G10. (stop that nasty black H9)
gogonuts [5d\]: cut at g6?
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;W[fd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes, w systematic when he can be
Rince [7k\]: h9 wouldnt have worked i think ...
vogelfrei [1d\]: b really should have choose a safe opening
puros [1k?\]: still b ahead :)
puros [1k?\]: N9
gogonuts [5d\]: but w seriously in business
Kickchon [14k?\]: how is f18 going to live Oo
vogelfrei [1d\]: yes put first dead group after 78 moves no good
vogelfrei [1d\]: kickchon how is f12 going to live?
marius1 [1k\]: w avoids damned zu Mari
puros [1k?\]: or N11
satakieli [1d\]: is w pro?
petroushka [7k\]: damezuwari?
vogelfrei [1d\]: w 7d
Laman [1k\]: he is not
Javaness [2d\]: hark at white's valiant plays
vogelfrei [1d\]: not 7p
MrFofi [3d\]: j9 j8 h9 h8 andn10
]
;B[np]C[puros [1k?\]: noo
gogonuts [5d\]: no way
Kickchon [14k?\]: hmm ok, black will die first
macisajt [7d\]: hark at white's valiant plays:))
petroushka [7k\]: is o16 area strong anough??
puros [1k?\]: o4 weird
gogonuts [5d\]: this will backfire on b
vogelfrei [1d\]: good for the game i guess
gogonuts [5d\]: w O6
cjr [-\]: nice move in a way, but better play on top side
badukOD: lol no doubt
]
;W[nn]
;B[op]
;W[pq]
;B[pp]
;W[qq]C[satakieli [1d\]: h7 will die
marius1 [1k\]: w wants to engender another fish
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: the rigth side of the board is unresolved.
vogelfrei [1d\]: thats what sharks do
ThePoint [2d\]: lower left corner h9 was a favorite pattern of InSeong years ago
]
;B[qp]C[phoenix4y [5k\]: think balck would be too embarassed to play a move on the top and win without giving white a chance to fight
crawler [5k\]: lovely symmetry ith h4 j6 l5 m7 o6
Francois15 [11k\]: To watch this game,     http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ThePoint [2d\]: mean h4
phoenix4y [5k\]: gentleman :-)
marius1 [1k\]: G6
]
;W[mr]
;B[pl]C[pebarefoot [-\]: hmm, b may have an idea here, maybe
]
;W[pm]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: with g6 open o4 seems heavy
C0nfuseki [2d?\]: Black is in a bit of pain.
gogonuts [5d\]: b slugging it out head to head is brave but not the right idea :-)
pebarefoot [-\]: that pesky g6
]
;B[qm]
;W[om]C[satakieli [1d\]: we think that this position is bad for b, but what if they would now change theyr stones?
vogelfrei [1d\]: but this way he can be proud if he wins
]
;B[ql]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: if he just chickesn it its kinda 77 reverse komi win
ibd [7k\]: f11 g13, which is dead?
marius1 [1k\]: w lucky luke
vogelfrei [1d\]: b of course
gogonuts [5d\]: time for g6
]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[gn]C[solid19k [-\]: g5
pebarefoot [-\]: good call
]
;B[go]
;W[hn]C[petroushka [7k\]: b res?
solid19k [-\]: e2
ibd [7k\]: g4
]
;B[gp]C[solid19k [-\]: OOOOO
solid19k [-\]: :)
]
;W[hr]C[Hatesphere [-\]: a2
satakieli [1d\]: if tenuki it will be ko
]
;B[er]C[puros [1k?\]: n9 first
coldnight [1k\]: Mabe Hwang will win this becose of kruzs bad reading
puros [1k?\]: bad...
]
;W[ho]
;B[fo]
;W[pn]C[BadMove [-\]: yeah ?
]
;B[rp]C[nasgor [12k?\]: R14
puros [1k?\]: hihi
]
;W[nk]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: two down
ibd [7k\]: ouch
vogelfrei [1d\]: ws got a game
badukOD: dynamite go boom
Repacse [5k?\]: white wants to capture...
gogonuts [5d\]: 2 small groups as appetizers
Ceylan [-\]: Still not enough for white.
gogonuts [5d\]: w captured
ibd [7k\]: SE says about even now
gogonuts [5d\]: sure its not yet enough
Pinguschaf [5d\]: how many komi b gets?
Ceylan [-\]: 77,5
nasgor [12k?\]: N10
gogonuts [5d\]: but hes catching up quickly enough
frivalous: that's a crazy reverse komi...
Javaness [2d\]: who made this guy 3d
vogelfrei [1d\]: da staunt sogar pingu :P
gogonuts [5d\]: thats a frivalous komi
ibd [7k\]: pingu?
pebarefoot [-\]: <---insert SE joke here
Pinguschaf [5d\]: b chose bad fuseki
frivalous: ;)
Korea4K [2d\]: w captured?
vogelfrei [1d\]: thats what i said too
]
;B[mn]C[MrFofi [3d\]: n9
marius1 [1k\]: w left letting b swim in his juice
Korea4K [2d\]: is or has?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: b should just n11 ^^
pebarefoot [-\]: echo echo echo
]
;W[mo]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: keep giving away
puros [1k?\]: die bigger
ibd [7k\]: die another group
gogonuts [5d\]: dont struggle, it will only hurt more if you struggle :-)
badukOD: like quicksand...
butters: spider web
Pinguschaf [5d\]: Stefan das wär doch was für uns
vogelfrei [1d\]: who wants to play 77.5 reverse komi against me lol
Pinguschaf [5d\]: in sicher mit 30 punkten verlieren sind wir gut, denke ich
gogonuts [5d\]: schreckliches turnier
macisajt [7d\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: das stimmt
Pinguschaf [5d\]: das ist genau das richtige für uns, man
vogelfrei [1d\]: merkartigee regeln fjeden!
Pinguschaf [5d\]: einmal schimari
ibd [7k\]: kurz ist deutscher?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: einmal 3-3
gogonuts [5d\]: die komui hätt ich auch gern
Pinguschaf [5d\]: ^^
Pinguschaf [5d\]: dann nur noch 2te reihe spielen
Pinguschaf [5d\]: geht schon
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
vogelfrei [1d\]: nur noch 2te reihe = 18+18+19+19 punkte ?
vogelfrei [1d\]: rest an w?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: reicht oder?^^
gogonuts [5d\]: w is playing an "honest" game despite the komi, really impressive
vogelfrei [1d\]: weiss nicht
badukOD: b's left hook useless against this w
Warfreak2 [6d\]: huge reverse komi :-o
vogelfrei [1d\]: and w has a game!
vogelfrei [1d\]: b missed h9
vogelfrei [1d\]: earlier
Pinguschaf [5d\]: Das Turniersystem hat sich doch ein Saddist ausgedacht oder?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gogonuts [5d\]: se says b by 11 :-)
coldnight [1k\]: black missed alot of things
AmerBeton [7k\]: q12 seems an option to me
vogelfrei [1d\]: ne pingu, das passiert halt bei kopfgesteuerten menschen die sich lustige sachen ausdenken
]
;B[mk]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: hat w lib probleme in der mitte?
vogelfrei [1d\]: seki waer schlecht
Repacse [5k?\]: can`t find the camera...
Lambo [3d\]: no
gogonuts [5d\]: bei denen hört die regelinnovation nie auf
butters: if b gets the idea to also cut m10 w will be happy
]
;W[ok]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: @vogel: widerspricht sich ja nicht mit meiner Aussage
vogelfrei [1d\]: stimmt
Lambo [3d\]: just giving more and more to white :l
petroushka [7k\]: n11 noe?
petroushka [7k\]: now*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: The Dutch, Germans, Swiss and Austrians cannot see the live TV stream due to international networdk issues
]
;B[lj]
;W[mi]
;B[ni]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g10 paying off now - honesty pays
coldnight [1k\]: now black must start reading
Pinguschaf [5d\]: oje...
vogelfrei [1d\]: sounds like european networks noobs failed ;)
vogelfrei [1d\]: once more
MrFofi [3d\]: j9
vogelfrei [1d\]: i remember this football braodcast ..
GoShinobi [-\]: why is b playing exactly the wrong way 
GoShinobi [-\]: complicated fightinh against 7dkorean 
gogonuts [5d\]: im feeling a little sadistic myself here - i'm cheering with every limb that w cuts off
]
;W[mh]C[GoShinobi [-\]: fighting
Repacse [5k?\]: well, he is only 3dan
coldnight [1k\]: he is looking for the biggest lose
marius1 [1k\]: w just fainted to play
coldnight [1k\]: its a new kind of go
]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its so innovative
coldnight [1k\]: wtf
]
;B[mm]
;W[nm]C[MaLa [2d\]: :D
Lambo [3d\]: ...
cjr [-\]: seems b is looking for a resign
madmin [?\]: western kind of go, size does matter...
Pinguschaf [5d\]: hey this is not so bad for black mybe
Repacse [5k?\]: perhaps black thinks he can capture k9 
butters: starting semeais against much stronger player usually does not work
Korea4K [2d\]: o5 cut ans think
klausP [4d\]: loosing stones is no problem as long as black can get some points somewhere
Korea4K [2d\]: and 
vogelfrei [1d\]: o5 does nothing really
gogonuts [5d\]: but atleast afterwards b will know why it didnt work :-)
marius1 [1k\]: bad weather for b
Korea4K [2d\]: first cut and think
GoShinobi [-\]: this looks terrible to me (for b )
satakieli [1d\]: o5 p12 
Korea4K [2d\]: o12 sente
Korea4K [2d\]: and cut
marius1 [1k\]: N12 stone is really annoying one
butters: yes, we want to see b o12 :)
vogelfrei [1d\]: o12 pushw further towards b top
donGoku [5k\]: Hwang has a KGS account name?
coldnight [1k\]: well I often do and win the semies agains much stronges players, I lose against weaker ones but that is an ntirly diffrend story
Uberdude [5d?\]: hwang = crowis
Uberdude [5d?\]: doesn't play much though
Korea4K [2d\]: has real name
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: In-Seong= crowis 9d on KGS
donGoku [5k\]: ah, thx
Uberdude [5d?\]: EuroGoTV1, not 9d
coldnight [1k\]: Hwang- death
vogelfrei [1d\]: where?
Uberdude [5d?\]: he is 6d?
]
;B[no]C[Repacse [5k?\]: m6 
butters: 78 points looks realistically achievable now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Uberdude [5d?\]: which is rather low, but doesn;t play much
gogonuts [5d\]: good old geta?
donGoku [5k\]: 6d is rather low, oh yes :)
Olof29 [1d\]: p12
tarantola [1k\]: m6
vogelfrei [1d\]: seems n5 needs attention though
coldnight [1k\]: black has only one way to win
devastate [6d\]: only sum could come up with rules like this for tournament
Francois15 [11k\]: P12
Korea4K [2d\]:   b will get corner
oonicks [-\]: i think this system makes interesting games but not at all beautifull ones
gogonuts [5d\]: is this sums fault?
coldnight [1k\]: nuclear tesuji
yithril [3d\]: what are the rules?
devastate [6d\]: idk
donGoku [5k\]: A. Kurz is sum?
xuanbac108 [11k\]: m5
madmin [?\]: hahn system, size of victory matters
Pinguschaf [5d\]: what? Robert made up those rules?
petroushka [7k\]: i just sign up at eurogotv. but it seems i didnt get any mail to complete my registration =(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rules=sum
Pinguschaf [5d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
oonicks [-\]: handi is 13 points and u ened plus 40 win for resign
donGoku [5k\]: heh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: look at your spam bx
devastate [6d\]: as i tought...
yithril [3d\]: oh
ibd [7k\]: use bugmenot for eurogotv
yithril [3d\]: hmm
butters: why is sum not forced to participate?
coldnight [1k\]: ther rules are: no matter what black does white wins
yithril [3d\]: so if u smash your opponents a lot you get more points?
]
;W[ln]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: sum, saddist, das s stimmt schon mal :P
tarantola [1k\]: m6 ^^
oonicks [-\]: only this white.. i bet many stronger players lost against hahn
vogelfrei [1d\]: un so wie ich sums spiele kenne o0
ThePoint [2d\]: i thing black p8/o8 was bad ,take his own libs
Repacse [5k?\]: oh, white has only 1 group...
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, b only 3 libs now
petroushka [7k\]: it is really in spam box. thx..but how come o_O
Pinguschaf [5d\]: 4libs Stefan
]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[masek [3d?\]: black dead in center ;-d
Pinguschaf [5d\]: :P
elohimmeth [2d\]: .
butters: means b q10 would be gote
gogonuts [5d\]: w L7 sente
Pinguschaf [5d\]: oh, this atari is better than mine
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
vogelfrei [1d\]: 5d eingeschworene go gemeinde?
gogonuts [5d\]: klar
vogelfrei [1d\]: ^^
klausP [4d\]: die 5d sind sich nichteinam einig in deutschland
]
;B[jj]C[dutch2dan [2d\]: w just a bit ahead, right?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Francois15 [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[il]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: 2libs
Pinguschaf [5d\]: k10 is strong move
]
;B[pj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yupp
butters: w j14 next for more prey
Gigot [4k\]: q10?
satakieli [1d\]: so if b is losing with only 30 points, w should res :)
tarantola [1k\]: tenuki
Pinguschaf [5d\]: ok next dead groupe i can already see
klausP [4d\]: why is k10 strong?
Repacse [5k?\]: r17 
]
;W[ic]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: das awr ein witz glaub ich
Pinguschaf [5d\]: indem man bissl ironie versteht, klaus
]
;B[hc]C[klausP [4d\]: was wie ironie?
gogonuts [5d\]: now for the main course :-)
klausP [4d\]: lol
oonicks [-\]: if b looses with 24pts w can resign
vogelfrei [1d\]: schwarz völlig von der rolle, total überrumpelt
Pinguschaf [5d\]: m16
]
;W[kd]C[gogonuts [5d\]: schöne bräunung
gogonuts [5d\]: runum braun
klausP [4d\]: Ironie ist in meinem Job verboten, Jun
gogonuts [5d\]: rrundum
vogelfrei [1d\]: jaja der silvio
Pinguschaf [5d\]: da kannte ich aber andere ^^
marius1 [1k\]: kill walls is berlin speciality
vogelfrei [1d\]: haha
ThePoint [2d\]: nun helfen auch 100+ komi nicht mehr
]
;B[mf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: mr gorbatschov, tear down this wall
vogelfrei [1d\]: b liest garnicht mehr sonder spielt wahllos "shape"
Repacse [5k?\]: o17 
KZhang [8k\]: is hwang always so agressive in his games? or is it just for this tourney?
tobe30k [1d\]: das ist doch gut
vogelfrei [1d\]: he hass 77.5 reverse komi to catch up
klausP [4d\]: white might not even nett to cut h15 from h12_he can kill all
aboulafia [-\]: he's pretty aggressive but he has to win by 78 points
gogonuts [5d\]: b is having a rather unpleasant experience
oonicks [-\]: i wonder that to
Gigot [4k\]: he has no choice
Lop [5k?\]: h14?
oonicks [-\]: if this is his 'style'
atman [?\]: when you capture a wall, is this "pulling off a Hasselhoff"?
MaLa [2d\]: he wants to win by 120 :P
Uberdude [5d?\]: hwang just plays the right moves given the situation
MaLa [2d\]: getting full points ^^
klausP [4d\]: sorry, he has to win by 130 points
BadMove [-\]: o12
]
;W[jf]C[satakieli [1d\]: 78+40 gives full points
vogelfrei [1d\]: b asked for this with n14
klausP [4d\]: jup
aboulafia [-\]: poor black
albundy [2k\]: did B have an option of handi or reverse komi?
gogonuts [5d\]: is that so winning by 40 is max?
vogelfrei [1d\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: cool
vogelfrei [1d\]: 6 handi or reverse komi
pebarefoot [-\]: that was sweet
gogonuts [5d\]: so ws aim is + 128 lol lol lol
]
;B[je]
;W[ke]C[Lop [5k?\]: i thought each handi is worth 11
Uberdude [5d?\]: what, he still need to win by 40 despite giving more komi than rank difference says?
klausP [4d\]: recalculate that
gogonuts [5d\]: oh, just 118
]
;B[if]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i could do that
gogonuts [5d\]: or maybe not
Rossco [4k\]: wow I thought you guys were kidding about komi
klausP [4d\]: 78+40=118
gogonuts [5d\]: its dead seriuos
macisajt [7d\]: :)
vogelfrei [1d\]: sumserious
klausP [4d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: my typing sucks worse than the rules of this tournament
aboulafia [-\]: impossible
]
;W[kg]C[pebarefoot [-\]: don't feel alone, gogonuts
klausP [4d\]: well the rules are fun at least
gogonuts [5d\]: but its really a plreasure to watch in-seong going full steam
pebarefoot [-\]: i'm usung both fingers, lol
butters: w in kind of white shark blood rush by now, he has to regain mental control
klausP [4d\]: and the strongets player will win 
pebarefoot [-\]: *using*
ibd [7k\]: o17
IGoofy [1d\]: thought 'dan' means sth like master
vogelfrei [1d\]: san means real darn good
vogelfrei [1d\]: dan,.
gogonuts [5d\]: in the case of 3dan it means "mastered"
klausP [4d\]: what does w need mental controle for, butters?
Lop [5k?\]: no, thats 'pro' :p
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: dan is japanese for step
Warfreak2 [6d\]: that's why you should always invade san san
marius1 [1k\]: i was told go was a share game
vogelfrei [1d\]: pro = probabaly wins
Uberdude [5d?\]: dan is english for daniel
Lop [5k?\]: kyu, dan, pro are like belt colors in karate or smth
Kayres [11k\]: y in budo
vogelfrei [1d\]: pro color in go! i dislike black/white
Uberdude [5d?\]: i wonder about h17 at k17 
klausP [4d\]: maybe a 3 dan should start with very save groups and try to loose be 117 in order to have some succes...
ThePoint [2d\]: i wonder why this tournament is so well sponsored
vogelfrei [1d\]: w didnt let him klaus
vogelfrei [1d\]: h4 pincer joseki
Kickchon [14k?\]: hmm, please estimate the time it will take for this game to finish
Bluefinger [11k\]: I just wonder
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Sponsoring thx to the efforts of Martin Sattelkau
Francois15 [11k\]: is there a link who explains how works the clock system used?
vogelfrei [1d\]: what a name
marius1 [1k\]: is it possible to resign in such tourmament ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
marius1 [1k\]: and then ?
IGoofy [1d\]: ten you lost
klausP [4d\]: res is like +40
macisajt [7d\]: k17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 40 points=100 hahn points
gogonuts [5d\]: how much time do they have left
pebarefoot [-\]: Thank you, Martin sattielkua
Lop [5k?\]: lol, SE is being stupid again
marius1 [1k\]: hahn ?
butters: b should only resign when he loses by more than 117
marius1 [1k\]: ok :-)
petroushka [7k\]: w is owning
hakky [?\]: those germans.. weird people
vogelfrei [1d\]: b should resign if this wall falls
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: komi is 77.5, not 117.5
Empy [6k\]: Rules say 77,5 komi shouldn't that be -77,5?
puros [1k?\]: hey hakky, howdy
satakieli [1d\]: I think we will see res
]
;B[lg]C[hakky [?\]: wowdy 
vogelfrei [1d\]: reverse the magic word empy
klausP [4d\]: we know that Eurogo
Firzen [3d\]: what is black doing?
saym [3d\]: dieing
saym [3d\]: big scale
marius1 [1k\]: seems complicated ; do then have right to have got a computer to make calculations during the game ?
qwazidan [2k?\]: ypme ?
IGoofy [1d\]: b should seek another hobby when losing about 100
Pinguschaf [5d\]: l10 is sente
]
;W[kh]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: last chance for black
]
;B[lh]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: oh its not
Empy [6k\]: Vogelfrei, I don't see it say reverse anywhere in the rules.
vogelfrei [1d\]: look on top
klausP [4d\]: at least a good idea by black
vogelfrei [1d\]: not in rules
Empy [6k\]: That's the game title right... not the rules?
]
;W[li]C[Lop [5k?\]: w is loosing libs, b in center is in danger of living 
]
;B[ki]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: oh yes
gogonuts [5d\]: now k10 is really terrible
vogelfrei [1d\]: but says reverse too in rules
klausP [4d\]: :)
]
;W[hg]C[klausP [4d\]: oh
Firzen [3d\]: w k16 or smth I guess next ^^
Chilltime [2k\]: hi klaus
klausP [4d\]: hi
butters: b again violating golden semeai rule
macisajt [7d\]: o12 good chance
gogonuts [5d\]: worst play on tengen ever
elendril [7k\]: this board is crazy, its completely interdependant
satakieli [1d\]: b can get r13 area
klausP [4d\]: komm doch mal zum darmstaetter training am donnerstag, wenn nicht BL ist
]
;B[nh]
;W[kj]
;B[mg]C[aboulafia [-\]: w was very successful in complicating things
]
;W[lj]C[sabin [5k\]: what is the golden rule of semeai? start from outside?
butters: do not start one against much stronger opponent
sabin [5k\]: :))
]
;B[ik]C[Chilltime [2k\]: hm nächste woche muss ich am do arbeiten
]
;W[hk]
;B[jl]
;W[ik]C[DeadTired [2d\]: golden semeai rule --- don't start semeai with someone 4 ranks above you
]
;B[ig]C[IGoofy [1d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: hm
bouboubou [?\]: what is black doing xD
cjr [-\]: throw-in just bad in this case
Empy [6k\]: Vogelfrei, I think SE gives white the komi.
cjr [-\]: but probablty doesnt matter
satakieli [1d\]: b lost great ko threats
Korea4K [2d\]: b resign
gogonuts [5d\]: w has time to play at the top
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
aboulafia [-\]: terrible, terrible, terrible for black
Gigot [4k\]: gain liberties for f11 ?
klausP [4d\]: k16 works?
butters: b probably just noticed horrified that w plan is to win by more than 40
gogonuts [5d\]: b wins a "i got pwned" t-shirt as consolation
Uberdude [5d?\]: or l18 
IGoofy [1d\]: ^^
seikenguy [5k\]: thats a cool t-shirt
puros [1k?\]: zomgoodness
seikenguy [5k\]: better if it says
Gigot [4k\]: 2nd prize = 500e
seikenguy [5k\]: "I got pwnd by Lee Sedol"
klausP [4d\]: if w plays tenuki now, i will drop dead laughthing
pebarefoot [-\]: I belong to In-Seong Hwang, t-shirt
Uberdude [5d?\]: tenuki to r16?
butters: we witness b final go game in his career here
Pinguschaf [5d\]: tenuki is not worth
Pinguschaf [5d\]: even when w wins semeai
klausP [4d\]: r16 is tenuki
ferl [7k\]: white should pass...
gogonuts [5d\]: who pays for the psychological rehabilitation program?
puros [1k?\]: who will be secando?
macisajt [7d\]: white's job is not that easy
Msha [13k\]: looks like w has much less time remaining
macisajt [7d\]: i feel
seikenguy [5k\]: only a 3-move in a row tesuji can save black
masek [3d?\]: black lost
masek [3d?\]: hehe such blunder
masek [3d?\]: ~20 moves  w+r
]
;W[mc]C[butters: b will be accepted as inhouse patient at sum's home
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
sfrex [2k\]: kill all
Pinguschaf [5d\]: sum has a house?
cjr [-\]: which job are you talking about, 78, or 78+40?
gogonuts [5d\]: dont capture too small
vogelfrei [1d\]: hehe
satakieli [1d\]: w has now about 120 solid points. b has max 80 if he keeps all right side
masek [3d?\]: grow the rabbit 
masek [3d?\]: and then eat it ;) more meat
masek [3d?\]: such idea here  ;-d
masek [3d?\]: or black does not tried to play wth high dan's for free
sfrex [2k\]: how do u get 80points
Uberdude [5d?\]: 60 + 20
madmin [?\]: middle dead
satakieli [1d\]: all right side is about 80
gogonuts [5d\]: w left a soft spot at L18 - b needs to plonk down a stone there
pebarefoot [-\]: watch and learn, sfrex
masek [3d?\]: i think in this game black need to find proper time to finish the game
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: you all mock black but would fare the same against a pro!
satakieli [1d\]: or 60
Uberdude [5d?\]: w's not pro
macisajt [7d\]: or l17?
madmin [?\]: sure we would thats why we mock?
Korea4K [2d\]: b should now resign continue is meaningless
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: near pro (happy?)
elendril [7k\]: yeah
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: 7d~1p
pebarefoot [-\]: moyo, I would die mich more
madmin [?\]: hahn-system, korea
qwazidan [2k?\]: kgs 6d
klausP [4d\]: In-Seong is only KGS 6d?
Deva [2d?\]: 7d ~ 12yo 1p :-)
]
;B[oc]C[seikenguy [5k\]: Resign is a tesuji that always ends the game.
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: we all look foolish against a (near) pro
KZhang [8k\]: i've rarely seen a dan get ripped apart so badly...
zzt22 [13k?\]: yes but it gote
gogonuts [5d\]: some peaple look more foolish than others
Chilltime [2k\]: klaus he only played 2 games
butters: macisajt did not look foolish against him
Korea4K [2d\]: w was  strong in korea  but after resident in europe  not strong enough for 7dan
mwanek [1k\]: Kurz just has the wrong style for this type of match.
klausP [4d\]: i see
satakieli [1d\]: w need to invade to the right or he can res now
gogonuts [5d\]: b was the perfect opponent: a (formerly) confident 3d
]
;W[ne]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wowo
]
;B[me]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wowowowowow
Uberdude [5d?\]: w  s15 for giggles
]
;W[nd]
;B[of]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: w+100
seikenguy [5k\]: b still playing?
seikenguy [5k\]: O_o
madmin [?\]: normally w would have played more safe, being happy with a 5-10 points win. Hahn System makes people play more aggressively, squeezing every point out of a game. Thats why b looks so bad here imo
Uberdude [5d?\]: will we see b16 
marius1 [1k\]: O18
mwanek [1k\]: What is this Hahn system?
madmin [?\]: size of victory matters
Pinguschaf [5d\]: has white really won?
AmerBeton [7k\]: r13 ?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: im not sure
gogonuts [5d\]: w should make the top completely safe
madmin [?\]: you only get a full win when u win +40
seikenguy [5k\]: Lol just resign then if size matters
macisajt [7d\]: i think difficult for w
cjr [-\]: sure madmin, but it also shows more clearly difference in strength... and really, w would win more than 5-10 against a 3d
]
;W[kb]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: yeah
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i agree
Repacse [5k?\]: black has superior sacrificing techniques
macisajt [7d\]: upper side terrible aji
xio [7k\]: this system humiliating for agressive weak players
gogonuts [5d\]: but b missed L18
madmin [?\]: sure cjr
whosef: hi
macisajt [7d\]: m17?
gogonuts [5d\]: should have played ther himself earlier
]
;B[nb]C[Luffyop [1k\]: N4 is big
saym [3d\]: i don't think that b intends to play any further on the upper side
]
;W[mb]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: now m2
Pinguschaf [5d\]: and black is ahead
butters: system is meant to publicly humiliate promising young players, so they quit and get a life
whosef: player name please
AmerBeton [7k\]: w only +100 
Uberdude [5d?\]: read please
]
;B[jc]C[klausP [4d\]: does m2 work, Jun??
bouboubou [?\]: open your eyes
Luffyop [1k\]: P10 
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i think so
cjr [-\]: m2 is fine
macisajt [7d\]: m2 nice
marius1 [1k\]: was wantd to avoid semedori
rsgshs: m2 works
Pinguschaf [5d\]: funny after all this
Pinguschaf [5d\]: black could still win
IGoofy [1d\]: is b a pro ?
Firzen [3d\]: b is 3d...
Elscouta [1k\]: 77.5 komi is a lot
saym [3d\]: 3d for the win!
macisajt [7d\]: bad aji also on right side
Pinguschaf [5d\]: yes but if b spends a move
Pinguschaf [5d\]: white wins i think
DeadTired [2d\]: igoofy, that's the first funny thing in this kibbitz...
satakieli [1d\]: game is pretty egual now
petroushka [7k\]: b right seems very huge
macisajt [7d\]: m2 is big
Firzen [3d\]: 3d weak ^^
Pinguschaf [5d\]: yep
Pinguschaf [5d\]: have to try
Luffyop [1k\]: WHAT THE KOMI IS 77.5 ?
marius1 [1k\]: 60 pts
cjr [-\]: but still a risk w can live on the right as welll
petroushka [7k\]: komi is 77.5??
cjr [-\]: maybe not in even game, but he might try
Lop [5k?\]: no handi = 77.5 komi
petroushka [7k\]: u mean 7.5?
Uberdude [5d?\]: no
IchiYuki [-\]: rekomi 77.5  omg
voldie [-\]: reverse komi
Empy [6k\]: 7d vs 3d people.
Repacse [5k?\]: Luffyop, could you please repair your keyboard ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if you know it so well macisajt, why arnt you here? Afraid eh
elendril [7k\]: so white lost now ?
tm93 [2k\]: but komi for  b ?
petroushka [7k\]: it means he gave about 7 handy stones?
]
;W[jd]C[Lop [5k?\]: for b
Luffyop [1k\]: why  ? =) it s not broke :p
Elscouta [1k\]: 77.5 between 5 and 6 stones
petroushka [7k\]: so b is about 1d?
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: why isnt it 4 stones or 50 pts? why 77.5?
klausP [4d\]: it is 6 stones
masek [3d?\]: other version guys
masek [3d?\]: Handy is non liner
Gigot [4k\]: ko?
masek [3d?\]: in Dan scale
masek [3d?\]: 7d  vs  3d  not 4stones 
klausP [4d\]: 1 stone 6.5 points
Kayres [11k\]: big ko incoming?
masek [3d?\]: much more
mistake [1d\]: moyoAGA1k: i guess it's one stone for 13pts
klausP [4d\]: 2 stones 6.5+6.5*2 points
marius1 [1k\]: half stone is 6,5 pts
tm93 [2k\]: but acually w is winning even with komi for b
roller [2k\]: yea
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: i think m2 is nice could win game for black if he gives up on upper side
mistake [1d\]: i would value it more like 14pts, but...
satakieli [1d\]: w need a 40 point invasion to the right
butters: if In-Seong switched to b he could still win
gogonuts [5d\]: no he doesnt
elendril [7k\]: do you think right side is real territory ?
]
;B[id]C[Rossco [4k\]: w is fine and in lead
]
;W[jb]
;B[ib]C[macisajt [7d\]: k18 was key
gogonuts [5d\]: if w wins this fight he wins
]
;W[kc]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]C[bouboubou [?\]: black is short on time right ?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, b needed to play k18 himself
Repacse [5k?\]: white has an eye
IGoofy [1d\]: b h19 and k19 and triple ko
Elscouta [1k\]: no shared libs, eye not really relevant
StefanRadu [1d\]: m19?
]
;B[ja]C[Zyptryn [3d\]: blacjk has way better chance vs other side
Zyptryn [3d\]: oh wait
Zyptryn [3d\]: D-11 dead
Luffyop [1k\]: white will need to count carefully
Zyptryn [3d\]: lol
Firzen [3d\]: told you 3d weak ^^
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: triple ko
Rossco [4k\]: yeah could hurt his f18 group in this fight
Warfreak2 [6d\]: lol triple ko
Warfreak2 [6d\]: not likely
Repacse [5k?\]: white in trouble ?
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: three kos on a line and you win, like tic tac do
mistake [1d\]: w cant aproach quickly on g18
AmerBeton [7k\]: seems so
madmin [?\]: komi 77.5 means w needs to win by this margin to get a full win. It is 37.5 komi for the rank difference and 40 komi for the hahn system as far as i understand it
klausP [4d\]: no
marius1 [1k\]: not easy for w
Zyptryn [3d\]: should black play E-15/16 and force white to kill E-11 group b4 he can reduce black liberty?
satakieli [1d\]: it is 77.5 + 40.5
madmin [?\]: oh really?
cjr [-\]: no, it is 6 stones, converted to 78 points
cjr [-\]: 13 points per stone
madmin [?\]: i see thx
Uberdude [5d?\]: 6 stones is the mcmahon score difference?
Uberdude [5d?\]: or equivalent
cjr [-\]: supposedly, but sounds like a lot
Uberdude [5d?\]: well w keeps in winning
Uberdude [5d?\]: i guess everyone else has a lost a few games
]
;W[oj]C[Chilltime [2k\]: lol
roller [2k\]: lol
]
;B[pi]C[bouboubou [?\]: white is die ?
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: wow, he's good
cjr [-\]: white with some risk as well now
Varjoankka [?\]: some aji there
Repacse [5k?\]: n4 ?
Chilltime [2k\]: o13 now
madmin [?\]: anyway hwang is leading by more than 100 points, so he should be the winner already
madmin [?\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.de.html
mistake [1d\]: n4 is thank you
bakounine [3k\]: L3
]
;W[ka]C[bouboubou [?\]: what about time ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 2 minutes W 35
]
;B[ia]C[Miyabiyama [-\]: I guess n4 for w or o3 for b is biggest when the upper side is resolved...
satakieli [1d\]: w prepare to invade at r16 
bouboubou [?\]: absolute time ?
appleseeds [6k\]: what is the overtime settings?
]
;W[pe]C[roller [2k\]: m14
Elscouta [1k\]: duh
]
;B[pf]C[madmin [?\]: canadian 5/15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: progressive byo yomi
Luffyop [1k\]: right now and if he kills J19 white is ahead bu 65+
Luffyop [1k\]: by*
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: wasn't h19 instead of j19 then h14 alive for b with 3x ko?
marius1 [1k\]: this semedori is huge
ThePoint [2d\]: black  fights for place 4/5 = 20euro more than place 6-20
]
;W[oi]
;B[oh]C[bakounine [3k\]: what s progressive byo yomi
AmerBeton [7k\]: wth w ?
Francois15 [11k\]: is it the final?
BlaY [5k\]: its not about the money
Elscouta [1k\]: it's about braging rights
Elscouta [1k\]: and destroying your opponent / keeping a group alive
grafzahl [7k?\]: 15 stones 5minutes .. after that 20stones/5min  25/5min and so on
oonicks [-\]: its about someone being able to beat hwang with 130 komi against him?
ural2001 [16k\]: Who wins? Who can comment?
Zyptryn [3d\]: si what are the ruels of this tourney?
klausP [4d\]: In-Seong is too stong for bragging
Zyptryn [3d\]: what rediculous komi again?
]
;W[le]C[bakounine [3k\]:  thanks grafzahl
]
;B[md]C[Zyptryn [3d\]: what - why
]
;W[nc]
;B[ob]
;W[oe]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: wow w must have counted to the last lib
]
;B[qe]
;W[qd]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: id be really scared mess this up now
Warfreak2 [6d\]: hax
]
;B[qc]C[nasnad [1d\]: nice by w
gogonuts [5d\]: over
Varjoankka [?\]: boom :)
Gigot [4k\]: white overplay?
]
;W[nf]C[bouboubou [?\]: no
Veivi [4d\]: :)
saym [3d\]: =)
soulangel [3d\]: over
Varjoankka [?\]: B
satuk [1k\]: w never overplays
gogonuts [5d\]: w captures something
vogelfrei [1d\]: beautiful tesuji
Gigot [4k\]: ok
ThePoint [2d\]: nice
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: byo yomi starts for black
Varjoankka [?\]: too bad i cant see this kind of stuff on my own games...
Luffyop [1k\]: nice
vogelfrei [1d\]: well b can resign now
Hilm [2k\]: r16 quite classsic, but very nice reading to get the order of moves
Repacse [5k?\]: time to desperately search for the resign button
vogelfrei [1d\]: you just say: "damn it" and "thank you"
badukOD: can't believe w found this
]
;B[ph]
;W[ng]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: no need to press button
klausP [4d\]: black needs a disconnection now
AmerBeton [7k\]: w ??????$
]
;B[fa]
;W[ga]
;B[ea]
;W[gb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oh no
]
;B[bg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this getting worse and worse
klausP [4d\]: I would escape for my first time in this case
Kayres [11k\]: ö.O
badukOD: b looks quite sad
pebarefoot [-\]: w is just amazing 
saym [3d\]: would be worth it, huh? :P
cherisse [2k\]: w is too strong!
wotan123 [2d\]: massacre
saym [3d\]: ' i escaped in-seong, when he was crushing me with like 120 points
Repacse [5k?\]: dunno, he has only 1 group
klausP [4d\]: time to take care of m2
BadMove [-\]: b has to make a triple ko
zypher [4k?\]: 3dan vs 7dan what a mismatch
]
;W[rd]C[Lop [5k?\]: thats why reverse komi
butters: not really, 3d should win with 77 komi
]
;B[rc]C[badukOD: hehehe
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: i still believe triple ko was possible for black
]
;W[ar]C[badukOD: more trouble coming
Francois15 [11k\]: what is his pseudo on KGS?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: crowis
Francois15 [11k\]: ok thx
eapeau [2d?\]: On EuroGoTV, Black looks like he is in so much pain that this should be a Human Rights Violation. 
vogelfrei [1d\]: ive never seen him play
vogelfrei [1d\]: on kgs
Luffyop [1k\]: no triple ko white would played H14
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Francois15 [11k\]: and black plays on KGS?
]
;B[bs]C[moyoAGA1k [1k\]: then black connects underneath
vogelfrei [1d\]: he wont for a yeear of shame now
macisajt [7d\]: 4 groups down, not bad action
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: h19 threatens 
Warfreak2 [6d\]: triple ko was never possible for black
Uberdude [5d?\]: wow  i went away and w found super awesome sequence
klausP [4d\]: m2
Warfreak2 [6d\]: w got eye, b no eye
ibd [7k\]: c11???
denizen [1k\]: can m2 wor
oonicks [-\]: he tried bravely hwang should teach them to live early against a player like hwang
IGoofy [1d\]: someone must have whispered to b he needs b1
Javaness [2d\]: kill it
gogonuts [5d\]: they could have doubled the komi
Javaness [2d\]: kill all the stones
Javaness [2d\]: kiill them now
vogelfrei [1d\]: yes macjasit, it would have been a tougher game for w if black haad spotted h9 tesuji arpound move 70
]
;W[lq]C[Lop [5k?\]: EuroGoTV is a real tv channel or what? O.o
Repacse [5k?\]: se has problems
klausP [4d\]: thats big
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
petroushka [7k\]: how is the score without komi now?
]
;B[mp]
;W[kp]C[Deva [2d?\]: i think he is a person
ibd [7k\]: c11??
]
;B[fs]
;W[bh]
;B[gr]
;W[hq]
;B[rr]
;W[be]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Luffyop [1k\]: DEAD
AmerBeton [7k\]: omg
Zyptryn [3d\]: that works?
wotan123 [2d\]: w is not satisfied
KZhang [8k\]: ...
nasnad [1d\]: haha
Kickchon [14k?\]: rofl
satakieli [1d\]: yeah
Repacse [5k?\]: does that work ?
Elscouta [1k\]: b15 : did you know i will also kill upper left?
nasnad [1d\]: w is so mean
bouboubou [?\]: san-san bomber ^^
saym [3d\]: lol luffy
Uberdude [5d?\]: b15 = i pwn ur noob ass
Pedro6548 [5k\]: W about 10 ahead
Pedro6548 [5k\]: ?
vogelfrei [1d\]: more
marius1 [1k\]: this w is terrible ^^^
gogonuts [5d\]: much more
petroushka [7k\]: uu..white undo
Pedro6548 [5k\]: more now
butters: actually after seeing this game one appreciates Per's performance in last game. He played much better than b here
Luffyop [1k\]: huh ? white is about 100 + ahead
Firzen [3d\]: now white is just beeing mean ^^
Luffyop [1k\]: even with the komi of 77,5
Varjoankka [?\]: probe or tesuji?
Pedro6548 [5k\]: but has a komi of 77
saym [3d\]: luffy: please notice the se counts the komi for white
vogelfrei [1d\]: both
]
;B[bf]C[AmerBeton [7k\]: 150 ahead
saym [3d\]: so its not 100+
gogonuts [5d\]: i think w has the + 118 in the bag - max victory
vogelfrei [1d\]: i will not die here !
Luffyop [1k\]: will see
]
;W[cc]C[Thelonious [1d\]: SE-addicts ^^
Warfreak2 [6d\]: lol
klausP [4d\]: oh oh
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
Pedro6548 [5k\]: over now
Warfreak2 [6d\]: go w
petroushka [7k\]: but why there is such komi in such tournament??
satuk [1k\]: lol 
]
;B[bd]C[badukOD: prove your worth b!
Francois15 [11k\]: black still think to a victory?
vogelfrei [1d\]: b should have taken 6 handi instead reverse komi
sunnychw [2k\]: this tournament kind of crazy :-)
ibd [7k\]: b about 2k?
badukOD: make this a game worthy of first board D:
]
;W[cd]
;B[ce]C[butters: b should have taken handi + reverse komi
petroushka [7k\]: tournament should be even
Luffyop [1k\]: 6 nnnnnnnnno 60 maybe
]
;W[bc]
;B[ae]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d15
satakieli [1d\]: e16 
vogelfrei [1d\]: 364 handi i can beat anybody ( i give of course)
Warfreak2 [6d\]: d15 :-)
Francois15 [11k\]: C17 dead?
Bluefinger [11k\]: A13
Firzen [3d\]: w has to be careful with g19 libs a bit
KotakoChan [2k\]: vogel not really
vogelfrei [1d\]: no
Warfreak2 [6d\]: d15 not quite working
KotakoChan [2k\]: after you eat it
Gigot [4k\]: d15=>e15, no?
Warfreak2 [6d\]: a shame
vogelfrei [1d\]: firzen cuz seki temp is enough
sunnychw [2k\]: but inseong do a lot for 1000Euro
KotakoChan [2k\]: youll just have one white stone
satakieli [1d\]: e16 d17 d15 e15 d18 d19 b19 
KotakoChan [2k\]: and the game continues
Kayres [11k\]: e16 e15
madmin [?\]: hehe vogel and your move would be a pass i guess?
]
;W[cb]C[lovestory [3k?\]: why is black still playing?
KotakoChan [2k\]: oh, komi
Francois15 [11k\]: to win
Firzen [3d\]: nice white ^^
vogelfrei [1d\]: no i would capture al handi.. or did i mess up my math?
ibd [7k\]: d13
Firzen [3d\]: planning for life or ko ^^
lovestory [3k?\]: but, everything is dead.
Vogel [1k\]: i did not propose a move
vogelfrei [1d\]: 19*19 -1 handi
gogonuts [5d\]: in-seong is so systematic
]
;B[ag]C[Luffyop [1k\]: we can guess, white had already to much food in his stomach to eat anything else
vogelfrei [1d\]: w turn
Firzen [3d\]: a18 ^^
butters: b has chance to capture a group
Korea4K [2d\]: w alive
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5 min/20 stones now for black
ibd [7k\]: a18
Luffyop [1k\]: D15
Gigot [4k\]: ko?
KotakoChan [2k\]: it makes sense for japanese rules to capture the 364 handi..
Emerson [8k\]: i'm so confused about w's empty triangle ...
Luffyop [1k\]: white alive
gogonuts [5d\]: b wont capture
badukOD: surely b has threats ;,,,(
AmerBeton [7k\]: a18 b19
Warfreak2 [6d\]: w can live but not enough libs on outside
madmin [?\]: sets up a18 and ko at a16 emerson
Zyptryn [3d\]: A-17
GoShinobi [-\]: e16?
Zyptryn [3d\]: if b A-16
Zyptryn [3d\]: then D-19
]
;W[ad]
;B[ac]
;W[ab]C[Zyptryn [3d\]: ooh okay this works too
Firzen [3d\]: this is better order ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: safest
madmin [?\]: wow nice order
Repacse [5k?\]: that`s a better ko
vogelfrei [1d\]: this is better cuz w takes first
]
;B[ba]
;W[ad]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]
;B[ac]C[ibd [7k\]: b has many threats
Repacse [5k?\]: r14 
Luffyop [1k\]: D15 E15 E16 D17 D18 D14 D19 D15 B19 alive
Luffyop [1k\]: white was alive
gogonuts [5d\]: just getting the ko is great for w
satakieli [1d\]: q17 
]
;W[og]
;B[pg]
;W[ad]
;B[el]C[Warfreak2 [6d\]: luffy, count libs on outside
]
;W[dm]
;B[ac]C[butters: b sacrificed all these groups for ko threats
saym [3d\]: then f16 would have died luffy~
blackmoa [7k\]: could have lived without ko^^
AmerBeton [7k\]: no
Luffyop [1k\]: oooppsss =) my mistake
Kayres [11k\]: s5 a threat?
Firzen [3d\]: no
Uberdude [5d?\]: s5 is a threat
saym [3d\]: yes*
Uberdude [5d?\]: bu a bad one
]
;W[pc]C[Kayres [11k\]: ok
Pedro6548 [5k\]: f15 seki
Firzen [3d\]: I would not consider it a threat
butters: s5 self-threat
Uberdude [5d?\]: as black answer takes a lib
]
;B[pb]C[Elscouta [1k\]: s5 r5 and w ends in gote
]
;W[ad]C[navid [9k\]: q9
Uberdude [5d?\]: and then w needs to spend another move to keep L8 dead
]
;B[ci]C[Kayres [11k\]: right.. if b answers, only 3 libs :P
vogelfrei [1d\]: s5 r5 take ko
]
;W[bi]
;B[ac]C[vogelfrei [1d\]: not gote
Kayres [11k\]: no good threat
Seleroan [24k?\]: couldn't b just fill?
vogelfrei [1d\]: oops wrong group sorry
]
;W[od]C[mmmd [4k\]: tot
satakieli [1d\]: f15 not seki because of e11 
meuns [1k\]: resign please
Warfreak2 [6d\]: now w got d15 threats
Warfreak2 [6d\]: since c11 removed own lib
Elscouta [1k\]: exchanging ko for smaller ko?
]
;B[pc]
;W[ad]
;B[pk]
;W[jn]
;B[ac]C[Warfreak2 [6d\]: smaller ko but much easier to win
]
;W[qf]
;B[re]
;W[ad]
;B[qo]
;W[km]
;B[ac]C[meuns [1k\]: i don't understand black obstination
]
;W[sd]
;B[sc]
;W[ad]C[KZhang [8k\]: he just wants to kill one white group
]
;B[po]C[KZhang [8k\]: consolation prize
]
;W[hl]
;B[ac]C[butters: he is in delirium, brain not working fully anymore
badukOD: w+mental breakdown :(
meuns [1k\]: resignation is totally evident
satakieli [1d\]: someone put the light on the board
Javaness [2d\]: black is pwnd
Zyptryn [3d\]: e-16
Corbier [5k\]: 77.5 reversed komi ?
meuns [1k\]: awkward*
gogonuts [5d\]: if that b corner dies its over 200 ...
ArGonauta [9k\]: pwnd?
madmin [?\]: yes corbier
]
;W[rf]C[ibd [7k\]: pwnt
]
;B[se]C[Firzen [3d\]: it's over 9000
]
;W[ad]C[Corbier [5k\]: then b not pwnd
madmin [?\]: plus, w must win by +40 to get full points
Repacse [5k?\]: l14 
ArGonauta [9k\]: what do you mean
Mahoz [17k\]: что делают черные..они проиграли...надо сдаватся а не угл отбирать)
HeiBeiTzu [5k\]: komi reversed?
elmasry [2k\]: K12
mistake [1d\]: if black don't loose to much on this ko it won't be a large win
macmav [2d?\]: g14
blackmoa [7k\]: if black wins this ko he wins ;)
madmin [?\]: yeah, actually its a close game....
meuns [1k\]: lol...
Javaness [2d\]: is not close
KZhang [8k\]: ?
KZhang [8k\]: close?
KZhang [8k\]: how is it close?
blackmoa [7k\]: its -77 komi
meuns [1k\]: w+100 -40 ?
]
;B[kf]C[blackmoa [7k\]: not 77
]
;W[lf]C[wotan123 [2d\]: its a closed game
Shaomi [-\]: too close to quit !
kimlongVN [?\]: b res
gogonuts [5d\]: its a close call if b can keep his sanity
madmin [?\]: lol wotan
]
;B[ac]C[kimlongVN [?\]:  ???
Repacse [5k?\]: the rules make it close
gogonuts [5d\]: no they dont
ibd [7k\]: s3
gogonuts [5d\]: -77.5 its still a wipeout
Firzen [3d\]: s3=bad
ThomasEJFD [3k\]: d15
ibd [7k\]: why?
rzhou [19k\]: what is status of j18?
]
;W[rq]C[Kayres [11k\]: ignore
meuns [1k\]: w + 150 without the corner...
]
;B[sq]C[badukOD: w ice cold...
HeiBeiTzu [5k\]: -77.5 dont a mistake?
rzhou [19k\]: and is it actually +77.5 points?
madmin [?\]: everything around w+120 would make it a game worth to be continued
appleseeds [6k\]: dead
]
;W[ad]C[sabin [5k\]: dead
ibd [7k\]: :D
Firzen [3d\]: because black will get o2 now
HeiBeiTzu [5k\]: it's no -7.5
vogelfrei [1d\]: 4 stones small
Elscouta [1k\]: o2 too small
MisterUno [1d\]: ignore o2
cherisse [2k\]: f14
]
;B[nr]C[Corbier [5k\]: g15
Firzen [3d\]: I still think s3 is a bad move
Corbier [5k\]: g14
Lop [5k?\]: small?
mnoplol [2d\]: ignore!
Gigot [4k\]: ignore
satakieli [1d\]: w got many ko threats at T line
vogelfrei [1d\]: me to frizen
ArGonauta [9k\]: please dont shout to the players
butters: p2
OttosMops [2k\]: p2?
satuk [1k\]: d15 now
meuns [1k\]: b15
]
;W[be]C[ArGonauta [9k\]: they cant hear you
Kayres [11k\]: hahahahha
]
;B[ff]C[mnoplol [2d\]: lol!
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
]
;W[gf]
;B[bd]C[meuns [1k\]: o3
Elscouta [1k\]: d15
vcanelone [2k\]: e17
mnoplol [2d\]: n3 better
ArGonauta [9k\]: besides telling players where to play or even how to play is of very bad taste
Firzen [3d\]: w killed his own stones so he can get some kothreats ^^
meuns [1k\]: more threats with o3
KZhang [8k\]: i honestly thought the tip left was black easily
]
;W[ed]C[KZhang [8k\]: top*
gogonuts [5d\]: w still has p2
klausP [4d\]: b has guts
ArGonauta [9k\]: gentlemen never tell the players where to play in a game, is higly impolite
]
;B[dc]
;W[be]C[meuns [1k\]: black is dumb
Firzen [3d\]: they can not see what we are writing
klausP [4d\]: not at all meuns
Corbier [5k\]: g19 might die
Koffein [-\]: doch, können sie firzen
Corbier [5k\]: ?
klausP [4d\]: b has fighting sparit
meuns [1k\]: 100+
Koffein [-\]: auf der leinwand mit dem beamer
klausP [4d\]: spirit
vogelfrei [1d\]: corbier no cuz b only has 3 libs
ArGonauta [9k\]: meuns, you are abusing admins patience
meuns [1k\]: no spirit, just berserk
Firzen [3d\]: ahja, ich wusste nicht dass der mitschreiber ihnen den bildschirm zugedreht hat
badukOD: I would have escaped by now if I was b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for who is lucky: Live TV stream at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Shaomi [-\]: black need more freds
ArGonauta [9k\]: meuns you should publicly apologize now, for insulting the player
meuns [1k\]: no * cough *, no abusing
fatjoe [6k?\]: tchorzofreds
Szyszka [2k\]: don't feed the troll guys
ArGonauta [9k\]: sorry
Firzen [3d\]: rather shoot him in the face
mistake [1d\]: c
Firzen [3d\]: it's more effective
ArGonauta [9k\]: I only tried him to repent
meuns [1k\]: blakc can't decently play
ibd [7k\]: is b in byo yomi?
madmin [?\]: there are people who should never become admin...
badukOD: dude
Lop [5k?\]: yes
]
;B[nq]C[laia [9k\]: oh poor black, i didnt think the game would get any worse for him
badukOD: you would get owned harder
]
;W[bd]C[ArGonauta [9k\]: did you censor meuns?
]
;B[hs]C[Elscouta [1k\]: wooot! b killed 4 white stones
ArGonauta [9k\]: i dont like to censor anyone
Deva [2d?\]: one corner down
gogonuts [5d\]: ultimate pwnage
vogelfrei [1d\]: c19 big
]
;W[ir]C[meuns [1k\]: Hehehe
kimlongVN [?\]: res ???
]
;B[is]
;W[js]C[Deva [2d?\]: c19 does not work
]
;B[gs]C[Firzen [3d\]: not at all
fatihsulak [3d\]: black very strong 
meuns [1k\]: resign please
Firzen [3d\]: the corner is dead anyway vogelfrei
vogelfrei [1d\]: for w i mean
]
;W[ns]
;B[os]C[gogonuts [5d\]: se got it about right
]
;W[ms]C[ArGonauta [9k\]: did you count?
]
;B[or]
;W[kr]C[ArGonauta [9k\]: seems W ahead
]
;B[ma]
;W[la]
;B[na]C[nvano408 [9k\]: resigning at this point would be kinda rude
KotakoChan [2k\]: so eager to see game end then juz press the cross on top right
gogonuts [5d\]: will w make +200?
Shaomi [-\]: close game
Lolilol [1d\]: Are you sure Argonauta ?
]
;W[dp]
;B[cr]
;W[aq]C[meuns [1k\]: maybe more than 200
]
;B[as]C[ArGonauta [9k\]: no, Lolli
]
;W[mq]
;B[oo]
;W[on]C[Szyszka [2k\]: it's w+40
Lolilol [1d\]: It was a joke
Szyszka [2k\]: with komi
laia [9k\]: thank you for relaying euro, bye :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i think w will just barely fail to make 200
ibd [7k\]: over
Lolilol [1d\]: Sure w is ahead
mnoplol [2d\]: w + 200
vogelfrei [1d\]: ah i see
ArGonauta [9k\]: but it seems at first sight the white area is larger than black
moyoAGA1k [1k\]: they r scoring
ThomasEJFD [3k\]: b e15
ThePoint [2d\]: very entertaining game
madmin [?\]: its this innovation system. if u make it a round number you will get extra points., w going for 222 :)
meuns [1k\]: lol
vogelfrei [1d\]: bloody game
mnoplol [2d\]: yeah right, when w + 200 almost
Shaomi [-\]: i wonder if blafck has enough territory to fill with his dead stones
gogonuts [5d\]: good chance that b will resign in the middle of scoring
oonicks [-\]: if u fill in the spaces with prisoners b has negative points
vogelfrei [1d\]: wait not game, just bloody
Szyszka [2k\]: it is about w+120 on the board
AmerBeton [7k\]: less komi
Szyszka [2k\]: no way w+200
blackmoa [7k\]: w+50
fatjoe [6k?\]: w+300
oonicks [-\]: one day we will see a player with negative points win a tourney:)
SarangHe [5k\]: poor b D,:
mnoplol [2d\]: I will feel insulted and wasted if I am white
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B-23
gogonuts [5d\]: w + 118 after komi
meuns [1k\]: black - 23 ?
meuns [1k\]: Ha ^^
sasa86 [3k\]: ...
badukOD: at least b  sees the funny side of this...
AmerBeton [7k\]: eurogotv ?
mnoplol [2d\]: yes way w + 200
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W94
vogelfrei [1d\]: w +190
meuns [1k\]: large komi
vogelfrei [1d\]: -80 komi
Szyszka [2k\]: w+39,5
Szyszka [2k\]: with komi
sasa86 [3k\]: it's reverse
pebarefoot [-\]: Wow, thx euroGoTV
Repacse [5k?\]: 117 ?
mnoplol [2d\]: well 195 if you insisted 5 pt is important at a 200 game
meuns [1k\]: this system force players to be agressive...
Msha [13k\]: +200
KZhang [8k\]: so whats the final score?
Olof29 [1d\]: 77.5 komi, no ?
satakieli [1d\]: w fail to get full points :)
ArGonauta [9k\]: ?
mnoplol [2d\]: 77.5 komi??
mmmd [4k\]: 77.5 reverse komi
sasa86 [3k\]: reversed komi!
kostuek [-\]: -77.5
wotan123 [2d\]: now endgame
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 94+23=117-77.5=39.5
Olof29 [1d\]: it's what is written ...
MHiver [-\]: 77,5 reversde komi, so if you use SE that will be an 140 points erreor
kimlongVN [?\]: ac
vogelfrei [1d\]: its over already
mnoplol [2d\]: ahh...ok...w + 115 then
kimlongVN [?\]: komi 77.5
madmin [?\]: so w gets 90 points and b 10?
Repacse [5k?\]: white has only 1 corner
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+39.5
butters: 39.5? that is hilarious
kimlongVN [?\]: stupie komi
marius1 [1k\]: incredible to win like this vs 3d
Luffyop [1k\]: what is the final score ?
gogonuts [5d\]: w missing full points by 0.5?
satakieli [1d\]: 1 point miss
gogonuts [5d\]: now thats bad luck
Szyszka [2k\]: w+39,5
marius1 [1k\]: he must be really disappointed
ArGonauta [9k\]: why in this tournament there is only 1 white player?
ArGonauta [9k\]: he plays against the rest?
satuk [1k\]: was this a show game?
sasa86 [3k\]: maybe euro go can put -77.5 in game info, so people would stop shouting w+200
madmin [?\]: nope
ArGonauta [9k\]: seems so
madmin [?\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.de.html
Corbier [5k\]: guess he's pro ?
ArGonauta [9k\]: no
sunnychw [2k\]: w had +39,5 in another game this tournament :-)
ArGonauta [9k\]: hes just beatg weaker players
Corbier [5k\]: it's said on the game title
satakieli [1d\]: real tournament game where the tournament winner get 1000 euro
fatihsulak [3d\]: stronger than pro 
crawler [5k\]: just subtract 155 from SE's score
Lop [5k?\]: 'SE'-155 for w =39,5
ArGonauta [9k\]: fasula, be quiet
satuk [1k\]: so 3d made it to finals big success then
butters: w can play even game against weak 9p
mmmd [4k\]: no its not the finals
bouboubou [?\]: how old is In-Seong Hwang ???
Iktrionic [3k\]: 28
bouboubou [?\]: ok thx
vogelfrei [1d\]: man hes my age :(
macisajt [7d\]: if b saved his top left, he would have won easily
ArGonauta [9k\]: he seems young and strong
mmmd [4k\]: its just hwang played the 2-5 allready
bouboubou [?\]: yes
AmerBeton [7k\]: so i have 2 years to become 7d
AmerBeton [7k\]: :)
Zzzzz604 [10k?\]: Can't B kill the W stones, in the top left corner???????????????
bouboubou [?\]: i give him 22 years old ^^
Repacse [5k?\]: strange, black has 3 corners and white only 1
forehand [11k\]: this tourney has handicaps, so saying they're weaker as the reason for victory is ?
ArGonauta [9k\]: 7k after 20 yrs old?
Iktrionic [3k\]: he played 12 hours a day for 17 years...
ArGonauta [9k\]: kyu forever
vogelfrei [1d\]: zzz no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: prize giving live on EuroGoTV in a few minutes
Francois15 [11k\]: verdict?
ArGonauta [9k\]: to get to shodan you have to start before age 15
Uberdude [5d?\]: when i was 20 i was 30k
vogelfrei [1d\]: yes me tzoo
wolokom [5k\]: b surrender?
vogelfrei [1d\]: b lost by 115
AmerBeton [7k\]: never to late to begin
AmerBeton [7k\]: :)
ArGonauta [9k\]: but you belong to the superior race, Uber
macmav [2d?\]: can you do fast-forward from 1st move EuroGo?
Zzzzz604 [10k?\]: Can someone please show me Why he can't kill them
vogelfrei [1d\]: b killed 6 w stones, not bad though :)
Lop [5k?\]: i was 30 at 23.. still have some time to grow :p
Pedro6548 [5k\]: c19 
Zzzzz604 [10k?\]: yeah
Thelonious [1d\]: b c19 w d19 b d18 w d15 
oonicks [-\]: hahn was probably 3d?
Pedro6548 [5k\]: y
threeoone [3k\]: mandang
Pedro6548 [5k\]: d15  so
Pedro6548 [5k\]: no no
Pedro6548 [5k\]: miai :/
Pedro6548 [5k\]: just over so
vogelfrei [1d\]: c19 d15
vogelfrei [1d\]: proper order
oonicks [-\]: if he was a strong 3d he cud win every player he would have met in europe
Thelonious [1d\]: both works
oonicks [-\]: with 0.5 that is
Pedro6548 [5k\]: what is the level of the players?
oonicks [-\]: i am not so sure about hwang anymore, maybe he is 9d
Pedro6548 [5k\]: 3d agains 9d?
oonicks [-\]: officially he is 7^^
oonicks [-\]: i mean he plays really strong
Pedro6548 [5k\]: hum
mmmd [4k\]: i think there are no ama 8 or 9d ranks outside of the AGA
oonicks [-\]: oh ..
Yanwangye [-\]: b has  res?
mmmd [4k\]: no game is simply over ^^ with white +39.5
mmmd [4k\]: due to the ridiculous komi :-)
Lop [5k?\]: is that 0.5 counted against black full win?
oonicks [-\]: thx a lot egotv
Yanwangye [-\]: ok thx 
oonicks [-\]: ur efforts are invaluable
mmmd [4k\]: yeah thanks eurogo
macisajt [7d\]: c11, losing a liberty, had big effect
Lop [5k?\]: i mean white's
macisajt [7d\]: in fact, i realize that after s2 the game was close with the revers komi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all videos and SGF's from the Go to Innovation tournament in Berlin are uploaded to http://EuroGoTV.com !
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx all for watching!
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