(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Go to Innovation, Berlin Go-week board 1 round 1 (handicap 3)]PW[Seok-Bin Cho (2794)]PB[Ondrej Kruml (2449)]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2010-11-19]RO[1]PC[Berlin, Germany]US[HW9x9]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: today there will be no betting on the next move; that will start tomorrow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are waiting for the pairing
Goreon [2d\]: I hope to see all of In-Seong's games
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;B[pd]
;W[]
;B[dp]
;W[]
;B[pp]C[Brilliant [10k\]: Is this bin from KGS?
cvcvcvc: Go for it Scurge!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, bin from KGS
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
flowerhill [8d\]: 3 stones quite a lot
flowerhill [8d\]: what is the time-settnings?
flowerhill [8d\]: settings
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 hour each
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: with progressive byoyomi
flowerhill [8d\]: ok
flowerhill [8d\]: lets see korean magic :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so we can be sure i will mess up^^
erkkierkki [5k\]: any url for pairings etc?
VVG [1k\]: what is a "progressive byoyomi"?
LetsGooo: cmon harry, you can do it :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet, as soon there is i will let you know
LetsGooo: thanks in advance for broadcasting
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it starts with 20 stones in 5 minutes
JohnLennon [6k\]: 10stones in 10min....20 stones in 10min....etc
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then 25 stones/5min
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then 30
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then 35 etc
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: most games have started
Pulcik [-\]: go Scurge go! :)
VVG [1k\]: in what is called canadian time settings here on kgs?
LovroKlc [-\]: is it EGF a class?
erkkierkki [5k\]: good luck keeping up with players when that happens :)
VVG [1k\]: "in a way"*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Scurge is missing^^
ClemGo [2k\]: there is handi stones ??
lalaland: is there an elo clasification system for go?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
LovroKlc [-\]: me yes or?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both
lalaland: ok
ClemGo [2k\]: is there a web link for the results ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet
ProoMas [3k\]: ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: after round 1
ProoMas [3k\]: oo handi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then updated each round
Deejay [2d\]: when would it begin?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: round 1 havent started yet?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: most games have started
katil [1k\]: so when it gonna begin ? 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now
katil [1k\]: now ? 
katil [1k\]: or now ? 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now
katil [1k\]: hmm .. :) 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Seok-Bin pressed the clock
Tsuijin [2d\]: the epic tale of dan
LetsGooo: watch livestream and then you know
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: game has started
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
FrodosGban [9k\]: where are they playing?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: oh ok
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: this guy is seok bin
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info
Korea4K [2d\]: Wann findet Kranich Tunier statt?
Koffein [-\]: nächste woche
Tsuijin [2d\]: i hope white starts off with an approach
Korea4K [2d\]: groesste Tunier in D glaube ich
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can all still register for next week Kranich tournament
ClemGo [2k\]: i read the website, the system is a cool approach, for exemple for handi : reduced by 0 stones (according total score) (alternatively: 13 komi per stone if both players agree)
Koffein [-\]: go ondra!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: link on EuroGoTV-news
dishonest [6k\]: oh its a handy cup game
ClemGo [2k\]: 13 komi for a handi stone, what do you think about that ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Scurge has arrived
Koffein [-\]: not only handicap .. the size of the win is important too -.-
dishonest [6k\]: it suppost to be 15 points
dishonest [6k\]: for 1 handi stone
Tsuijin [2d\]: is komi 0.5 in this game?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 0.5 komi
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: krumi is late ?
CatoMajor [2k\]: Seok-Bin pressed the clock? Shouldn't he play the first move?
cvcvcvc: there he is
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: y
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: krumi !
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;W[dd]C[LetsGooo: both quite young
Korea4K [2d\]:  Ondrej from Rumanis? 
Koffein [-\]: is the live broadcast with betting?
dishonest [6k\]: live streem?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Czech Republic
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Korea4K [2d\]: thx
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;B[fc]C[Demonsuji [2d\]: seok-bin cho + res =D
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;W[cg]C[measwel [-\]: SE says B wins :)
yensai [6k\]: mais on doit s'inscrire?
dishonest [6k\]: oh
dishonest [6k\]: he wants more
ProoMas [3k\]: se is lieing
Deejay [2d\]: se is right even if it's not
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;B[jc]C[dishonest [6k\]: so young and drinking red bull already
LetsGooo: ouais, tu peux t'inscrire et c'est gratuit
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;W[qj]C[Goreon [2d\]: who has better rating cho or hwang?
ProoMas [3k\]: hwangho
yensai [6k\]: mais dit moi quand j'arrive a mettre le password pour terminer linscription il me disent incorect
ProoMas [3k\]: hwangcho
dishonest [6k\]: it seems white aint got strategy
DomDaniel [1d\]: go scurge go!
dishonest [6k\]: just pops the stones out
ProoMas [3k\]: is there a live stream?
dishonest [6k\]: and hoping for black messing up
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
MagicMagor [2k\]: strategy: fight everywhere and win =)
measwel [-\]: dishonest, I hope you're not serious
CatoMajor [2k\]: dishonest, Are you serious? 
Tien [9d\]: Strategy: Let the opponent do the mistakes, and win thanks to those
Tien [9d\]: Works every time!
diesel [2d\]: koreans are beyond strategy
dishonest [6k\]: yeah
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, I try to do that in even games as well
dishonest [6k\]: looks like it
ProoMas [3k\]: how old is b?
Tien [9d\]: CatoMajor, if you don't play passively, it should be always good :)
gkoabs: korean chicks are $$$
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;B[qh]
;W[qn]C[measwel [-\]: Tien, what part of the game is most important do you think? opening, midgame or endgame?
Deejay [2d\]: ondrej almost 5d
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, I think we both know my main problem isn't playing passively :D
Draxt [3k\]: but tien, what if you do more mistakes than your oponent?
Goreon [2d\]: r8 
Tien [9d\]: CatoMajor, guess so :)
Tsuijin [2d\]: then you shouldn't be giving handicap
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;B[ql]C[Goreon [2d\]: if not afraid
ProoMas [3k\]: b got nervous
Tien [9d\]: measwel, they're all important, aren't they?
dishonest [6k\]: what
ProoMas [3k\]: went to look up the joseki
dishonest [6k\]: quick sex? during game
measwel [-\]: Yes, but if you have to choose.
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: B is playin some poker here :p
Tien [9d\]: A bit weird to name a single "most important one"
dishonest [6k\]: she was quite nice acctually 
Tien [9d\]: You can play well in the fuseki, but lose later
Tien [9d\]: Same with middle game
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: lol
Deejay [2d\]: he is have poker face
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;W[rl]C[Tien [9d\]: If I had to pick, I guess I'd take middle game
dishonest [6k\]: sorry :( 
Goreon [2d\]: EuroGoTV is amount of HC according o rank or according to rating?
dishonest [6k\]: but it lookd like it
Tien [9d\]: Since the most decisive fights are generally in the middle game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rating
measwel [-\]: Okay thanks.
usagi [1d\]: good point
Goreon [2d\]: tx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rating and result in this tournament
Goreon [2d\]: yes
measwel [-\]: Another one then; what is more important, reading ability or joseki knowledge?
Goreon [2d\]: will you load up the wall list after each round?
usagi [1d\]: reading ability
CatoMajor [2k\]: measwel, Reading ability :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: reading
sweetleaf [1d\]: reading ability, by far :)
Trivia [2k?\]: 2794 that's Kasparov's strength
CatoMajor [2k\]: measwel, Besides, reading ability gives you joseki knowledge.
measwel [-\]: Thanks :) Thats a definitive answer.
Tien [9d\]: Joseki knowledge really isn't valuable, at least
SR123 [5k\]: Hard to study joseki if you cannot read
MagicMagor [2k\]: reading isn't everything, but everything is nothing without reading =)
captnapalm [1k\]: joseki knowledge and joseki understanding sifferent
Schwarztee [5k\]: with good reading ability you need no josekiskills I think
Goreon [2d\]: s9 correct no?
largehc [2k\]: hard to study if you can't read
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;B[nq]C[Chrille [1k\]: readin is overrated
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;W[qc]C[usagi [1d\]: Actually I've often wondered about it. If you know a joseki pattern well, isn't it easy to look ahead and judge direction of play?
Deejay [2d\]: if you know all the 10^2807 positions you dont need to read
Trivia [2k?\]: at high level, i imagine joseki knowledge just merges with the game knowledge
SR123 [5k\]: infinite inteligence and zero knowledge is better that the opposite
usagi [1d\]: How can joseki knowledge be unhelpful?
Deathmove [4k\]: are there handicap ?
Tien [9d\]: Usagi: Yes, if you know everything that could happen
Chrille [1k\]: intuition is all you need
Tsuijin [2d\]: time for b to get a wall
lalaland: if u have a very good reading ability u can figure out josekis by ureself
arrech [11k\]: 3 handicap
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;B[qd]
;W[pc]C[Tien [9d\]: The opponent can differ from the joseki without making a mistake on a whole-board scale
ProoMas [3k\]: 3handi
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;B[oc]
;W[ob]C[Deathmove [4k\]: ok =)
ProoMas [3k\]: look at the titele
Tien [9d\]: Or he can even tenuki from the joseki
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;B[nb]C[ProoMas [3k\]: tittle
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;W[nc]
;B[od]C[goatsunday [7k\]: It sure is loud in the room!
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;W[mb]
;B[pb]
;W[na]
;B[qb]C[EEEEE5 [14k?\]: this is joseki?
Deathmove [4k\]: yes
LysanderD [6k?\]: yes
hex3d4 [-\]: yep
xzenith42 [3k\]: yes
FrodosGban [9k\]: y
measwel [-\]: yes
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: kk
Renju [2k\]: yes
ProoMas [3k\]: dans smashing stones into the board, ofc it's loudy
Deathmove [4k\]: lol
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: thats why it was fast :)
cvcvcvc: no, it's called goseki
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;W[hc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound too hard?
erkkierkki [5k\]: o16 is joseki ending (well if needed
ProoMas [3k\]: if there were 20 kyus playing, it would be silent
ProoMas [3k\]: :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: must i adjust sound?
ProoMas [3k\]: nah it's ok
ProoMas [3k\]: :P
sweetleaf [1d\]: sound is fine, to me
Tsuijin [2d\]: i like white's prospect in this game...
Trivia [2k?\]: you're saying that *just* knowing the sequence is not worth much, Tien?
Deathmove [4k\]: Is white 7d ?
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;B[lc]C[Tien [9d\]: Trivia, I'd say that, yes
ProoMas [3k\]: 5
Chrille [1k\]: what is the numeber after their names? looks like chess rating
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;W[nd]C[ProoMas [3k\]: oh
ProoMas [3k\]: nvm
Deathmove [4k\]: or 7p ?
ProoMas [3k\]: silly me
ProoMas [3k\]: =D
ProoMas [3k\]: d
cvcvcvc: strange exchange
ProoMas [3k\]: amateur tournaments
mafutrct [2d\]: 7d
Michi86 [7k\]: Sound maybe a bit too loud(harry)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: numbers are EGF ratings
Trivia [2k?\]: none higher than 7d
ProoMas [3k\]: not too loud
ProoMas [3k\]: >.>
CatoMajor [2k\]: Chrille, GoR
measwel [-\]: Tien, around 1d level, what would you recommend one to study to get stronger?
chthonic: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/EGF_rating_system.php
Trivia [2k?\]: L&D
Chrille [1k\]: okey
Deathmove [4k\]: thx
dishonest [6k\]: tsumego
dishonest [6k\]: measwel
dishonest [6k\]: durniu
Deejay [2d\]: racja
measwel [-\]: nie ciebie pytam
dishonest [6k\]: hihi
Tien [9d\]: This is a little off-topic for the game :)
SR123 [5k\]: Almost as much Magnus Carlsen
Tien [9d\]: We should be talking about the game instead
Trivia [2k?\]: is B crushed already?
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;B[fe]C[ProoMas [3k\]: I don't get b's plan
Deejay [2d\]: it's ok
Tien [9d\]: If you want me to answer some questions, there's a place for it at http://gooften.net/ :)
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, So, about that - how many mistakes would you say black has made so far?-)
Aksan [10k\]: Time for b to resign. 
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;W[db]C[measwel [-\]: Thank you Tien.
largehc [2k\]: huh?
SR123 [5k\]: Thank you tien
Luciferka [3k?\]: b plan is divide et impera
Tien [9d\]: I'm not sure about black's joseki choice here in the upper right
Tien [9d\]: But other than that, it should be completely fine
Tsuijin [2d\]: b aiming for o16 group?
Tsuijin [2d\]: i mean why else play this way?
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;B[ne]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[me]
;B[nf]C[ProoMas [3k\]: hard target
dishonest [6k\]: cake!
Tien [9d\]: I think I'd play q17 instead of r16 as black
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;W[ld]C[Tien [9d\]: Then play the double hane joseki again
ClemGo [2k\]: nice tournament, they have some cake !
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: god i want some
mafutrct [2d\]: there is still aji at s14?
bokuuwa: can black j16?
xzenith42 [3k\]: the cake is a lie
ProoMas [3k\]: oh yeah
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, Right, the upper side was wider
ProoMas [3k\]: definetely
dishonest [6k\]: bloody hell they got me horny on some cheesecake too
ProoMas [3k\]: I'd play q17 as b
measwel [-\]: just L17
bokuuwa: l17 looks ugly
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;B[id]C[ProoMas [3k\]: q17 was perfect for that
]
;W[mf]C[ProoMas [3k\]: thickness in sente joseki
Deejay [2d\]: l16 was first feeling
bokuuwa: j16 great 
ProoMas [3k\]: with doublehane
SR123 [5k\]: I have problems opening the web page
mafutrct [2d\]: j16 seems to miss the point
bokuuwa: now just  s4
mafutrct [2d\]: it is heavy
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: which web page?
icewater [1d?\]: what was the eurotv link again?
ProoMas [3k\]: s4 slow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ProoMas [3k\]: what about s7?
bolbi [-\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/index.en.html try this
bokuuwa: s4 very good move now
ProoMas [3k\]: or s9
Deejay [2d\]: yep and w still has f18
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;B[ng]C[mafutrct [2d\]: b is in bad shape i think
mafutrct [2d\]: m17 is damaged and s14 seems to work still
cvcvcvc: seems so
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;W[kb]C[mafutrct [2d\]: so black is left with virtually nothing
cvcvcvc: not that bad ^^;
ProoMas [3k\]: just c6
ProoMas [3k\]: oh nvm
bokuuwa: k15 looks the right move
ProoMas [3k\]: w trying to use h17 aji
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;B[hd]C[bokuuwa: omm
mafutrct [2d\]: k15 is impossible
Deejay [2d\]: quickly becoming even
Chilltime [1d\]: its hard to give ondrej 3 handicap
bokuuwa: welldone
bokuuwa: b lost now
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;W[jb]C[mafutrct [2d\]: virtually nothing becoming really nothing :)
cvcvcvc: scurge looks impatient
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: y xd
Deejay [2d\]: how? its just the begining
Tsuijin [2d\]: so is this game played with hahn system?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: black is nervous maybe
mafutrct [2d\]: i guess b should try to end in sente, then switch to s4
Trivia [2k?\]: i'd be nervous if play a guy 3 stones stronger
mafutrct [2d\]: w will answer, then black can play f4 or so
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: maybe first time camera
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: :p
mafutrct [2d\]: maybe black can find a way to remove TR aji
Trivia [2k?\]: who's scurge?
mafutrct [2d\]: i dont know, like b s10 or smth
DomDaniel [1d\]: black
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: black should cut white left and right?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: F18?
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;B[cn]C[largehc [2k\]: cut everything!
bokuuwa: e2
largehc [2k\]: even wrist
Chilltime [1d\]: cut yourself in two pieces
mafutrct [2d\]: j3~
ClemGo [2k\]: d2
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;W[dr]C[largehc [2k\]: whoa
largehc [2k\]: nice call
mafutrct [2d\]: huh
mafutrct [2d\]: this move seems weird
Goreon [2d\]: d3 e2 ....
bokuuwa: e2 was better
mafutrct [2d\]: i'd f2 now
CatoMajor [2k\]: EEEEE5, That's not important, because both of those groups are (practically) alive
bokuuwa: .......
DomDaniel [1d\]: f2
Michi86 [7k\]: now it's good chance to see how high dans play this
Michi86 [7k\]: i tend to fail a bit
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: ok
bokuuwa: he can just c3 g3
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: thx :)
mafutrct [2d\]: b wont d3 here
Michi86 [7k\]: f3?
dishonest [6k\]: E5 seems weird aswell
bokuuwa: or f2 then w life
bokuuwa: or just d3.
mafutrct [2d\]: life is small
captnapalm [1k\]: f2?
bokuuwa: but leaves aji
mafutrct [2d\]: i doubt w would give b influence
icewater [1d?\]: i am guessing D3 or F3 for black
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: realy agressiv ?
ClemGo [2k\]: f2
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;B[fr]C[largehc [2k\]: lol?
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;W[cq]
;B[cp]C[Tien [9d\]: Sente ko in the corner for white
]
;W[eq]C[Tien [9d\]: Well, this is a twist :)
dishonest [6k\]: f2 misclick?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b3?
bokuuwa: f2 is right..
Tsuijin [2d\]: f2 is normal
mafutrct [2d\]: f2 is a common joseki
Michi86 [7k\]: tien, what does f3 do?
CatoMajor [2k\]: dishonest, I did actually misclick in a real-life tournament once.
bokuuwa: lol dishonest
bokuuwa: ur very good at go
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: Tien is betting ? ;p
Goreon [2d\]: twist is useful in handicap games ;)
dishonest [6k\]: im not :D
Tien [9d\]: Whaht does f3 di, when do you mean?
DOCTOR [8k\]: c15
Tien [9d\]: *do
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: betting on the next move starts tomorrow
mafutrct [2d\]: how should b continue? g4?
dishonest [6k\]: but I am very popular teacher on kgs
Tien [9d\]: And *what :)
bokuuwa: c4 is a pure mistake
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;B[fq]
;W[ep]
;B[bq]C[Michi86 [7k\]: Tien, good/bad move?
mafutrct [2d\]: ...f3??
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, What was a twist?
Tsuijin [2d\]: e3 was
MilanMilan [9d\]: g3 better than f3
Tien [9d\]: E3 was, yes
Refuge [5d\]: never seen e3 in pro games
Michi86 [7k\]: after d2 that is
a2g [4k\]: e3 overplay?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: white is able to live down ?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: B2?
Goreon [2d\]: ladder works for b no?
MilanMilan [9d\]: E3 is common
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;W[iq]C[Tien [9d\]: E3 could be a good choice in a handicap game like this
DOCTOR [8k\]: g4
Goreon [2d\]: J3 common too?
mafutrct [2d\]: g5 e6 i suppose?
wojtek85 [1k\]: b3 looks terible
]
;B[hp]C[a2g [4k\]: hmm
mafutrct [2d\]: h4 shape mistake i think..
Refuge [5d\]: ok   just I never seen it before 
DarkLord7 [6k\]: wouldn't e3 instead of c4 have been better for black?
a2g [4k\]: but w floating without eyes...)
Refuge [5d\]: i saw b2 e2 b4 and tenuki
Goreon [2d\]: Refuge I guess there is a difference between "common to pro" and "common to you" ^^
bokuuwa: looks like w will turn it sente then b will lose s4 move
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;W[ip]C[icewater [1d?\]: white is playing pretty well, I think he is making up ground
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;B[ho]C[icewater [1d?\]: e6 i predict
mafutrct [2d\]: h3
lexansoft [3k\]: m3
largehc [2k\]: h3 seems reasonable
partisan [5k\]: w in trouble for me
ClemGo [2k\]: h3
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;W[hq]C[a2g [4k\]: e6 
mafutrct [2d\]: h3 f4 e5 
icewater [1d?\]: nice call mafutrct
bokuuwa: good move
mafutrct [2d\]: toothpaste
largehc [2k\]: 7-11
rat [1k\]: normal shape move
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;B[fp]C[captnapalm [1k\]: sacrifice for influence?
]
;W[eo]C[captnapalm [1k\]: no...
largehc [2k\]: lol
Tetriste [-\]: I prefer black
bokuuwa: l3 
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;B[io]C[mafutrct [2d\]: still w f5
partisan [5k\]: l3 wrong direction imo
DangoMango [2k\]: of course u prefer black because black started with 3 handis
bokuuwa: hmm making w strong whit no influence
bokuuwa: what is that
Tetriste [-\]: no
Tetriste [-\]: I prefer black because of the moves he makes
bokuuwa: i would l4
bokuuwa: k5 looks mistake for w if e5 still not alive
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;W[fo]C[CatoMajor [2k\]: F5 first?
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;B[go]
;W[dm]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: every move you make
Tetriste [-\]: d3?
Mori [1d\]: U2 -.-
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;B[bl]C[partisan [5k\]: d3 ends in gote
Refuge [5d\]: i will be watching you
mafutrct [2d\]: ....b8?
]
;W[lq]C[bokuuwa: s4 the only 1
mafutrct [2d\]: b seems totally afraid
Koukkaaja [3d\]: now in finally understand that song
CatoMajor [2k\]: Was j5 a mistake?
bokuuwa: m4 and m2 are mistakes and s4 is the right move
oxford [1d\]: black winning chance is about 15%
mafutrct [2d\]: i'd rather think whether to c7 or d6 and he plays second line o.o
Tetriste [-\]: b is playing solid imo, different from afraid
icewater [1d?\]: yeah black has lost a ton of ground
DOCTOR [8k\]: r4
Kaptain85 [9k\]: continue your march black
]
;B[lo]
;W[mp]C[bokuuwa: fail
largehc [2k\]: ugh
Tien [9d\]: Black is definitely not afraid
bokuuwa: he is inocent
bokuuwa: ..
kriohyih: w is rustysword?
Tetriste [-\]: I think b is the kind to play calmly and solid untill end midgame
Refuge [5d\]: l2
Tetriste [-\]: preparing a favorable yose
Tetriste [-\]: and catch up
mafutrct [2d\]: tien, how would you explain b8?
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tetriste, Erm, it's very rare for *black* to catch up in the endgame in a handicap game :)
Tien [9d\]: mafutrct, prevent white c7 without making white stronger
mafutrct [2d\]: isnt b lowering his head before w?
]
;B[dn]
;W[fm]
;B[em]C[mafutrct [2d\]: but now w got kikashi
Koffein [-\]: b8 is fine if w can´t play c9 
bokuuwa: b wants fight
bokuuwa: lol
Tien [9d\]: Yet there's this cutting point, too
largehc [2k\]: this is nice
bokuuwa: he will lose soon
]
;W[fl]C[Haloran [5k\]: black is DEMON
oxford [1d\]: not affaid is good, but not enough
Tien [9d\]: You don't always need to have sente
mafutrct [2d\]: w can just give up a part and b8 will end up in b's own area?
DOCTOR [8k\]: no
Tien [9d\]: Depends on how black handles it
Demonsuji [2d\]: what do you mean black is demon? o.O
icewater [1d?\]: e9
bokuuwa: e6?
Tsuijin [2d\]: i can't see how this fight will help b
]
;B[en]
;W[fn]C[bokuuwa: =|
Tsuijin [2d\]: top b isn't settled
mafutrct [2d\]: like this... b8 is useless
sweetleaf [1d\]: this sequence rather helps white, I feel
Koffein [-\]: but eventually he will settle himself during fighting
partisan [5k\]: cant see w is ahead
gomudro: e6 looks aji keshi
largehc [2k\]: w j7 next?
Tien [9d\]: Useless and used are different things, too
bokuuwa: r3 for W IS HUGE
CatoMajor [2k\]: What would be the best local move for white in the lower right?
DOCTOR [8k\]: black good
mafutrct [2d\]: tien, do you think white would have responded differently to d6 without b8?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: Black has now lost his 3 stones?
Tien [9d\]: mafutrct, probably not
mafutrct [2d\]: in that case i don't understand b8 at all
Tien [9d\]: But if black didn't have b8, white would have played c7 already
donGoku [3k\]: Tien, how it is possible, that you and macisajt are 6d EGF, but you are 9, maci "only" 6d on KGS?
DangoMango [2k\]: kgs is rigged
daladim [1d\]: maci is 7d 
daladim [1d\]: should be 7d
bokuuwa: maci = bot?
mafutrct [2d\]: oh, you mean black _could_ have played d6 right away but would have strengthend white?
Tien [9d\]: donGoku, KGS ranks aren't an absolute meter of playing skill
]
;B[il]C[Koffein [-\]: dongoku, getting a high rank on kgs is not that difficult ...
]
;W[fj]C[daladim [1d\]: maci has beaten rapyuta in the past
donGoku [3k\]: i see, thanks
icewater [1d?\]: boy, the korean player plays fast
Koukkaaja [3d\]: as compared to egf ranks
sdqsdqsdq: :)
Tien [9d\]: mafutrct, I think that would've been possible for black, too
bokuuwa: b need to defend q4
aDeadman [3d\]: the korean player thinks in the opponents time
bokuuwa: is urgent move
tomason [2d?\]: s5?
partisan [5k\]: top is urgent, too^^
]
;B[nn]C[Koffein [-\]: you just can´t compare one ranking system with another .. for example i am kgs 4d (5 ranks to top), egf 2d (5 ranks to top), wbaduk 6d (2 ranks to top) ...
bokuuwa: o6 = lol
bokuuwa: unexperienced move..
partisan [5k\]: i like
bokuuwa: he thinks he can handle situation whit a 7dan..
Koffein [-\]: o6 is nice shape
Tien [9d\]: Let's not turn this into a ranking discussion
]
;W[mn]C[bokuuwa: impossible for a 4d
mafutrct [2d\]: i see. well, i really don't understand it, still, but i am probably having a wrong mindset here so let's move on.
donGoku [3k\]: i began, mea culpa ^^
]
;B[mo]
;W[np]C[bokuuwa: gogo fail
gkoabs: how can i rewind moves?!
]
;B[op]
;W[no]C[Tien [9d\]: CatoMajor, you were wondering about the best move in the lower right earlier
TomiP [1d\]: open the game in offline-mode
icewater [1d?\]: clone the board or view offline
Concinnity [4k\]: Clone the game, gkoabs
Tien [9d\]: It would have depended a lot on the situation in the centre
gkoabs: ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[on]C[Tien [9d\]: And the centre should be played first, anyway
]
;W[jo]C[Tien [9d\]: Would be a white choice between r3 and s4, for instance
gkoabs: hmm how i switch on comment, in clone game?
bokuuwa: k5 so nice move
Tetriste [-\]: ?
CatoMajor [2k\]: Tien, Right, I was thinking about those at least
Tetriste [-\]: just click where you wanna play
Koffein [-\]: p6 looks so thin ..
icewater [1d?\]: k5 looks so strong
aDeadman [3d\]: looks*
Tien [9d\]: Now black's going to pay for j8 :)
aDeadman [3d\]: lol
captnapalm [1k\]: could b have L4 before p6?
Kantarella [9k\]: gkoabs, choose "view offline", not clone
DangoMango [2k\]: instead of strong, how about deep?
Demonsuji [2d\]: view offline is only for those with the downloaded client
gkoabs: thanks
icewater [1d?\]: i think 3 handicap stones advantage is completely gone now
aDeadman [3d\]: seems  that white has lot of time to think now
gkoabs: w much stonger
tomason [2d?\]: Eurogo, could you tell to Ondra that his mum asks him not to eat his t-shirt?
rasengan [4k\]: how b k6 ?
Tetriste [-\]: -.-
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: picture quality is very good; i am proud on muself^^
Tsuijin [2d\]: hane or the fight gets too messy =)
icewater [1d?\]: yes very good picture quality, thanks!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
gkoabs: picture url?
DangoMango [2k\]: pat urself on the back
Koffein [-\]: but typing quality not very good :p
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
mafutrct [2d\]: k6 l5 i assume?
Tetriste [-\]: k6 l6?
Shaomi [3d\]: blacks stones are working against each other :/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Tetriste [-\]: maybe l4?
tajnym [3d\]: id say s9 and forget about h4 while he still can
tomason [2d?\]: bute really, he does holes like this in his t-shirts :-)
shikichan [3k\]: looks like white is slowly breaking up groups
Koffein [-\]: this doesn´t really look like kgs kibitz .. i miss the people who just write random words like "Ko!"
gkoabs: hihi, player in red shirt look so geeky ^^
Tetriste [-\]: Koffein, it's because the timing is off here
schtaben [15k\]: oooo, white left the bord
schtaben [15k\]: b going k6
]
;B[jn]C[mafutrct [2d\]: koffein: both players should resign! captain the best! b2 bomber! ko at T19!
Koffein [-\]: yes! this chat looks way better now
aDeadman [3d\]: doppelhane!!!
]
;W[ko]C[gkoabs: oh, blue shirt also geeky, good match :)
aDeadman [3d\]: oh
aDeadman [3d\]: langweilig
mafutrct [2d\]: english please!!111one
Tsuijin [2d\]: b stones just lost all motion
]
;B[ln]
;W[kn]C[mafutrct [2d\]: wow, is b really playing this?
icewater [1d?\]: can't believe black played m6
lazors [2k\]: wieso langweilig
Koffein [-\]: what should he play instead, mafu?
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: what black sohuld hve been played ?
mafutrct [2d\]: teunuki :o
aDeadman [3d\]: just kibitzing
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: instead of M6?
sdqsdqsdq: b can resign ^^
Tetriste [-\]: ...
]
;B[mm]
;W[in]C[aDeadman [3d\]: lol
Aksan [10k\]: whaaaat
mafutrct [2d\]: well this may have been the best sequence for b
mafutrct [2d\]: still good for w
aDeadman [3d\]: short view upto the opponent "are u sure?"
]
;B[hm]
;W[jm]C[mafutrct [2d\]: how was "asking" that, deadman?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: itäs merrier to attack a ponnuki
mafutrct [2d\]: who*
Tsuijin [2d\]: is this game played under hahn system?
gkoabs: sisis no kupope
aDeadman [3d\]: yes
JohnLennon [5k\]: seokbin just used 10min.....its like him :)
icewater [1d?\]: white going to play k9 next?
Tsuijin [2d\]: aha hahn system gonna be fun to watch
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: M4 black ???
Tsuijin [2d\]: must win by 50+!
aDeadman [3d\]: no
aDeadman [3d\]: just 40+
Tsuijin [2d\]: o
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: black M4 is good?
]
;B[hn]C[aDeadman [3d\]: I played there once too
Koffein [-\]: is there any difference between 40+ and 50+? ...
Tetriste [-\]: b needs to get out
]
;W[jk]C[Tetriste [-\]: cant sacrifice now
dxxd [1k\]: :/ not nice
Goreon [2d\]: no koffein
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: black M4 ?? is not good? 
Goreon [2d\]: 40+ maximum
Tetriste [-\]: w will attack h16 next
Schwarztee [5k\]: looks like b can cut the l5 group
Concinnity [4k\]: It doesn't look like black is going to make it out
CatoMajor [2k\]: Looks like white is going to get a nice splitting attack
amazato [4k\]: h10
mafutrct [2d\]: h10 looks like the only move
]
;B[hj]
;W[gh]C[aDeadman [3d\]: prices are quite high in that tournament
newcomer: EEEE5 black has a vital problem
icewater [1d?\]: m4 is decent, but white can sacrifice n4 stones and kill black middle group
Tsuijin [2d\]: drive ur opponents groups to each other then cut them apart at last second
newcomer: more urgent
Tetriste [-\]: cut?
Goreon [2d\]: h16 dies in the end?
PommeVerte [-\]: this is going to hurt
testek: now j16 is also under attack
gkoabs: handicap not enough
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: ok
aDeadman [3d\]: so if theres hahn system people fight more since this can decide wether you get money or not
mafutrct [2d\]: w cant cut at p5 btw, right?
HeeroYuy [3k\]: good move g12
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: so M4 should have been played earlier ??
HeeroYuy [3k\]: attacking both groups at once
Tetriste [-\]: b played too heavy with f2
]
;B[jj]
;W[kk]C[gkoabs: w playing blitz?
newcomer: EEEE5 no waste of time
Kulte [9k\]: use time b
Koffein [-\]: w always plays blitz
gkoabs: w added handicap for himself -- timelimit 10s per move
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: kk
Timi [6k?\]: w always play fast
icewater [1d?\]: black has several weak groups... not looking good
Tetriste [-\]: g11?
aDeadman [3d\]: the faster u play the longer the break is
tapir [1d\]: white thinks on blacks time actually
Shaomi [3d\]: k10 doesnt look good shape
gkoabs: do these guys have girlfriends?
Tetriste [-\]: ...
madcow19 [14k\]: J12?
sdqsdqsdq: he does not have any better choices lol
LysanderD [6k?\]: how incredibly random
Koukkaaja [3d\]: if w thinks on bs time and w does not use time, does b think at all?
]
;B[hh]
;W[hg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[gi]
;W[fi]C[sdqsdqsdq: right now two, gkoabs, but hopefully they don't know each other
]
;B[gg]
;W[fh]C[gkoabs: :)
Tetriste [-\]: the high dans I know have girlfriends, if that can clear something for you
aDeadman [3d\]: lol
LysanderD [6k?\]: they get to high dan THEN get girlfriends, too little time for it beforehand
Tetriste [-\]: lol
Tien [9d\]: Easy for high dans to find go playing girlfriends :)
]
;B[ih]
;W[gf]
;B[ig]C[Sven84 [2k\]: damn there i was hoping to have to multitask soon :D
]
;W[fg]C[TomiP [1d\]: Tien, get one for me also o/
jamal [1d\]: after fight is over m4 or s4 bigger
Concinnity [4k\]: So black could connect now and has some eye shape, phew
Tien [9d\]: TomiP, you need to improve a few stones more
icewater [1d?\]: lol Tien
Koukkaaja [3d\]: how many Tien do you have?
Tsuijin [2d\]: if b connects up looks hard to win by 40+...
Koukkaaja [3d\]: 9?
aDeadman [3d\]: lol
amazato [4k\]: J!$
amazato [4k\]: j14
rasengan [4k\]: m12?
TomiP [1d\]: :(
aDeadman [3d\]: i think he says just one
Tetriste [-\]: e9?
nguyenn: tien gives 9 gfs to 1dans?
wronkth [4k\]: h15 ?
CatoMajor [2k\]: TomiP, You need to take lessons from Tien. "How to get solid territory, influence and girlfriends"
aDeadman [3d\]: so that every of them think shes the only one
Tien [9d\]: Koukkaaja, I've been able to pick from four :)
sdqsdqsdq: D15 ? xD
Sven84 [2k\]: so this is where the book title comes from: "do make friends and influence people" ^^
gkoabs: four gf better than bent three
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Darchik [2d\]: "from four" heh
icewater [1d?\]: i black can tenuki
Koukkaaja [3d\]: this discussion is sick
]
;B[km]C[aDeadman [3d\]: should we tell her?
Dmith [10k\]: its not the quantity, its the quality that matters
mafutrct [2d\]: i expected someone to say "only?"
tinca [-\]: waiting for onimyo's counting.. (or what the hell is the nick) 
Tetriste [-\]: what does this gives to black
Koffein [-\]: oh .. i just realized ... where is that picture scurge always puts on the table during tournaments?
Tsuijin [2d\]: nothing
gkoabs: finnish gf and asian gf.. big difference
cherisse [1d\]: .
Tetriste [-\]: he's not on koffein
largehc [2k\]: complete eyeshape
]
;W[nr]C[EEEEE5 [14k?\]: M4 now :p
tomason [2d?\]: wow
Tien [9d\]: Dmith, I've no complaints with the quality either ;)
Tetriste [-\]: aaaa
Tetriste [-\]: I meant tinca
AutoAtari [3k\]: I count w+9.5, what's your count?
iancho [1d\]: All Tien's eggs have 2 yolks.
Tetriste [-\]: k8 seems too big to pass on
gkoabs: k8 solid
]
;B[lp]C[tapir [1d\]: can you please move this discussion to irc or some teenage chat room, thank you.
Koffein [-\]: if scurge loses, it´s the missing pictures fault!
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: i bet it :p
HeeroYuy [3k\]: n2 is best i think
Koukkaaja [3d\]: four gf better than bulky five
mafutrct [2d\]: l7 appears to be a good move, as does m4
largehc [2k\]: n2 works
wronkth [4k\]: or rabbity 6
icewater [1d?\]: is black going to lose bottom rt corner?
mafutrct [2d\]: not easy to find good shape for w here
gkoabs: too many gf and u end up pushing a dango from behind
mihi [7d\]: N2
gkoabs: w no respect for b
aDeadman [3d\]: something against 6 bunnies?
daladim [1d\]: n2 cool
Tetriste [-\]: on the other hand, n2 doesn't activate p5 aji
]
;W[mq]C[Sven84 [2k\]: good shape is an excuse for not reading enough
Koukkaaja [3d\]: 6 bunnies with one eye
aDeadman [3d\]: no n2 p5 can fix cut in sente
HeeroYuy [3k\]: but now tge groups can be seperated
HeeroYuy [3k\]: the
icewater [1d?\]: white actually had to think on that last move
Tetriste [-\]: adeadman, I meant that n2 for white doesn't allow him to threathen cut
jamal [1d\]: q6
icewater [1d?\]: black has used 30 more min than white
aDeadman [3d\]: yeah
aDeadman [3d\]: but daladim said n2 cool
Tetriste [-\]: l4 seems natural
Kantarella [9k\]: but w has used many of b's minutes
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: y :p
AutoAtari [3k\]: so.. what is a Korean doing in a European tournament?
daladim [1d\]: indeed ^^
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: Eurogo !!
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: whats about time?
testek: is b's down right corner healthy?
aDeadman [3d\]: its an international tournament
]
;B[pn]C[icewater [1d?\]: amateur Koreans come to some Euro tourneys
HeeroYuy [3k\]: l4 can only be the better move
Koffein [-\]: autoatari: he will earn money
jamal [1d\]: ^^
aDeadman [3d\]: yes
]
;W[qm]C[daladim [1d\]: oO
gkoabs: `came to earn euro money :)
AutoAtari [3k\]: oh, any other asians then?
aDeadman [3d\]: 1000 euros
daladim [1d\]: overplay no ?
Cidragon [6k\]: jajaja euro money
daladim [1d\]: l4 gogogo
aDeadman [3d\]: luis oh who lives in barcelona
gkoabs: why not take, when they give
Sven84 [2k\]: in-seong hwang also there, as always
Koffein [-\]: 10 hours go = 1000€ for example .. is there a better way to "work" ?
]
;B[kp]
;W[kq]
;B[jp]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: 10 h=10000€?
Cidragon [6k\]: o.o
wronkth [4k\]: yes. if you count travel expenses
Concinnity [4k\]: Is In-seong back in Germany? I read that he had some visa problems
gkoabs: print ur own money is better
]
;W[ic]C[rasengan [4k\]: was that a mistake for w ?
wojtek85 [1k\]: w has to kill black on the upper side
FrodosGban [9k\]: test
largehc [2k\]: can't kill!
AutoAtari [3k\]: l9 killable?
gkoabs: kill how
Tetriste [-\]: wow
Tetriste [-\]: w l3?
jamal [1d\]: l9 dead
tomason [2d?\]: black now surely lives everywhere
goatsunday [7k\]: c11
Concinnity [4k\]: I think l9 can be killed, but at the cost of n14 and r10 gaining ground in the middle
aDeadman [3d\]: well actually all asians playing there living in europe atm
Tetriste [-\]: c17
icewater [1d?\]: white is threatening g16
rat [1k\]: good result in center for b :) i like it
fdredf: not really. quite overconcentrated
nguyenn: black is ahead now i think
Tetriste [-\]: l3 ended in a disaster imo for w
Koffein [-\]: concinnity: l9 can´t die. dead groups can´t die, all they can do is suddenly live ;-)
mafutrct [2d\]: g16 is not the point
mafutrct [2d\]: j14 is
wronkth [4k\]: white'll probably get r3, which is good
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: why white didnt connect in K4 instead of L3?
Kantarella [9k\]: b's body language changed a lot after he got the center
Tetriste [-\]: b seems connected to me even if w j14
Cookiex [-\]: just joined, whos leading?
Chilltime [1d\]: b
Bauer [1d\]: j14 is enoph to win
AutoAtari [3k\]: what's the link again?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
AutoAtari [3k\]: thanks
aDeadman [3d\]: but u have to be registered member to watch
Tetriste [-\]: oh nvm
]
;B[he]C[igomon [13k?\]: b k16?
Kantarella [9k\]: no more shirt eating or curling up like a foster on his chair
Sven84 [2k\]: barely, right group of w's lives no points in down right either for b, i rather be w
Aksan [10k\]: empty triangle!
nay4ok [2d?\]: yeah?
]
;W[je]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: I am registered
Koffein [-\]: registration is free .. even the ads in the broadcast are free :p
nguyenn: h15 does what?
es005k [23k?\]: h15 awesome
Tetriste [-\]: h15 seemed like the better shape
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have no ads here
nay4ok [2d?\]: free ads? that's insane!
]
;B[hf]C[wronkth [4k\]: connects to f17 and things
]
;W[jd]C[Koffein [-\]: but i had 2
]
;B[jf]C[Koffein [-\]: and another 2 after i refreshed -.-
Tsuijin [2d\]: m12?
R1D1 [9k\]: g16?
icewater [1d?\]: m12 i agree
]
;W[rh]
;B[ri]C[mafutrct [2d\]: wow
HeeroYuy [3k\]: i dont like h14
]
;W[qi]C[icewater [1d?\]: this is a good way to lose center for black
Cookiex [-\]: i don't like m12 just yet seems too passive
mafutrct [2d\]: i thought b s13 is overplay but s11 is ... even more overplay?
Tetriste [-\]: I dont like h14 either
]
;B[rg]
;W[ph]C[nguyenn: center is open in many directions anyway
Cookiex [-\]: what he said
Tokaro [14k\]: m16 isnt big enough at the moment
nguyenn: so this can be reasonable
]
;B[qg]C[Tetriste [-\]: this was good for w
]
;W[rj]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: they look so young
Tetriste [-\]: p11?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: more people had ads?
Koffein [-\]: o10 ?
gkoabs: andrej is young
Kantarella [9k\]: they are acutally in their mid 40s
]
;B[or]
;W[oq]C[goatsunday [7k\]: p11
]
;B[pr]
;W[hr]C[mafutrct [2d\]: w r3 xD
]
;B[ro]C[Tetriste [-\]: or p10
]
;W[bk]C[Cookiex [-\]: white rly pushing now lol
Tetriste [-\]: woa
wronkth [4k\]: nice
aDeadman [3d\]: i hear a tapping
rat [1k\]: b9 so huge :)
Tetriste [-\]: e9
Concinnity [4k\]: Surely c10 was an option
jamal [1d\]: w using the wall very well
Javaness [2d\]: Mr Cho is doing quite well
]
;B[ck]
;W[bj]
;B[cj]
;W[ci]C[daladim [1d\]: p2 was nice
erkkierkki [5k\]: this is frustrating for black
icewater [1d?\]: e9
Narayana [4k\]: knock knock. who's there? Aji. Aji who? A jeeze I just lost this game.
]
;B[cf]C[jamal [1d\]: bless u
Sven84 [2k\]: rofl
wronkth [4k\]: say what?
Cookiex [-\]: e9 and then what? is not very important right now, better saved for a ko if needed
Demon [4d?\]: I heard that someone was saying black was me?
jamal [1d\]: go back and play demon
]
;W[df]C[mafutrct [2d\]: d14  then what?
mafutrct [2d\]: oh c17?
Demon [4d?\]: i'm not even in europe... i live in the u.s.
Koffein [-\]: d13 
Koukkaaja [3d\]: surprise demon
Tetriste [-\]: just c15
Weishenme [4d\]: d13 annoying
gomudro: demon, you got a doppelganger
HeeroYuy [3k\]: c15 ?
daladim [1d\]: b13
mafutrct [2d\]: d13 d12 d15 c15 e14 b14 ?
Bauer [1d\]: d13 !!
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: black is shooted with energy drinks? :p
aDeadman [3d\]: I liek to see tournament with hahn-system and fischer time
]
;B[dg]C[erkkierkki [5k\]: cut first think later
AutoAtari [3k\]: what drink is that?
Demon [4d?\]: seems that way... well it certainly was a surprise to see someone accused of being me lol
Cookiex [-\]: g16 cuts doesn't it? for white
icewater [1d?\]: g16 not good for white right now
Cookiex [-\]: not right now, but for endgame could be big
gkoabs: g16 rediculos
]
;W[de]C[Koffein [-\]: not anymore, cookie
AutoAtari [3k\]: there should be an option to embed the video in cgoban
Kaptain85 [9k\]: Who is winning
nguyenn: b screwed
Goreon [2d\]: ko?
Koffein [-\]: well, not it will cut again
Kaptain85 [9k\]: tell me
nguyenn: c12 d11 
mafutrct [2d\]: c12 b13 b11 
Koffein [-\]: now*
jamal [1d\]: thing is, w can give up c13
gkoabs: b unwell
Tetriste [-\]: can he?
mafutrct [2d\]: oh you'd play d11?
nguyenn: yup
aDeadman [3d\]: just halfsize cgoban and ur browser
Bauer [1d\]: looks like ko
jamal [1d\]: yep
mafutrct [2d\]: yes possible..
]
;B[cc]C[Kantarella [9k\]: b back to nervous body language
mafutrct [2d\]: b in deep trouble i guess
aDeadman [3d\]: baaam
]
;W[dc]C[Koffein [-\]: ouch
Tetriste [-\]: if b wanted to c17, c15 was better than d13 no?
Aksan [10k\]: Use two screens, then you can see both full size. =)
mafutrct [2d\]: c17 should not be enough
EricM [3d\]: ouhou
Cookiex [-\]: black committed to life
Tetriste [-\]: ohh
Tetriste [-\]: b13?
AutoAtari [3k\]: gotta get another monitor
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: dual screen ftw
AutoAtari [3k\]: I wonder where it will fit
]
;B[di]C[Bauer [1d\]: c13 and pray to win the ko
EricM [3d\]: c12 b13 d11
gkoabs: i always use two monitors to watch go.. one from black POV, the other white
Tetriste [-\]: ??
]
;W[ch]C[Kantarella [9k\]: lol
icewater [1d?\]: e9
Cookiex [-\]: b lost out i think
aDeadman [3d\]: d10 cut open
jamal [1d\]: b9 first
Koffein [-\]: oO
Tetriste [-\]: e9?
EricM [3d\]: d12 threat f8 group
daladim [1d\]: e9 first
Koffein [-\]: why c12 ?
gomudro: started out promising but ended in failure for b
]
;B[ek]C[Koffein [-\]: err, why d11 *
rat [1k\]: b want to eat F7?
Tetriste [-\]: seems like it
Concinnity [4k\]: I'm sure he'd like to
daladim [1d\]: b will eat b9 b1à
nguyenn: what was the term for this type of sacrifice with no return?
daladim [1d\]: b9 b10*
Koukkaaja [3d\]: kind of all-out
HeeroYuy [3k\]: i thought d9 group would b bigger
mafutrct [2d\]: f9 d12 e14 b14 b13 a12 ?
sdqsdqsdq: b wants sente 
cherisse [1d\]: where's tv, who's ondrej kruml (just wondering)
AutoAtari [3k\]: stones are not good for eating
aDeadman [3d\]: is this sigmar steffens standing behind the desk?
AutoAtari [3k\]: nguyenn: "fail"
gkoabs: must be cold in berlin now
HeeroYuy [3k\]: oh nvmind i see what he is trying to do know
nguyenn: right, question is is it epic?
HeeroYuy [3k\]: now
mafutrct [2d\]: actually this may be very difficult for w
]
;W[fk]C[sdqsdqsdq: B sente, to play P11 ?
mafutrct [2d\]: a12 apparently works~
AutoAtari [3k\]: not epic
HeeroYuy [3k\]: clever
icewater [1d?\]: d12
mafutrct [2d\]: but w has c8
lll7: ondra is 5 minutes to byojomi?
mafutrct [2d\]: so can probably cut in d10
Demon [4d?\]: d10 cut still there...
Koffein [-\]: nguyenn: mochikomi
bokuuwa: hi
lll7: thanx :)
aDeadman [3d\]: w used 20 minutes
nguyenn: rgith, thank you
aDeadman [3d\]: thx eurogo
mafutrct [2d\]: as long as w does not mess up the order w should be ok
bokuuwa: niguiricheese
Goreon [2d\]:  d12 ?
bokuuwa: heh
arbi [4k\]: after p11 of b who is ahead?
nguyenn: this was an epic mochikomi
cherisse [1d\]: oh b is actually ahead, cool
Demon [4d?\]: b's shape is too weak
mafutrct [2d\]: d12 d10 e10 e14 should be ok
AutoAtari [3k\]: that clock is confusing, is it 6:20 or 6:55? ^^
PommeVerte [-\]: b wants to make attaque on f7 or gain on the left miai but not really working out
mafutrct [2d\]: c14 stays dead this way
jamal [1d\]: c14 always dead
EEEEE5 [14k?\]: b need to live in c14 before attacking left
gkoabs: c14 could live, with some magic
mafutrct [2d\]: well c14 would live if c8 were not there
mafutrct [2d\]: i gave the sequence earlier
gkoabs: but 4d magic not enough
jamal [1d\]: d12 d10
AutoAtari [3k\]: d12 d10 e10 c8?
cherisse [1d\]: annoying c14
]
;B[dq]C[jamal [1d\]: yea
gomudro: extremely big
Tetriste [-\]: not d12?
Tsuijin [2d\]: so if w wins this game does he become 8 dan?
Bauer [1d\]: first b d12 and then c14 is mighty
]
;W[dj]C[Demon [4d?\]: g16 bigger?
aDeadman [3d\]: aag aaag too small
cherisse [1d\]: i don't understand how big this is
Tetriste [-\]: why not d12?
aDeadman [3d\]: its goooote
Tetriste [-\]: d12 was so big?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: clever to play all those moves and draw back
Concinnity [4k\]: And d12 was sente
dft [5k?\]: what scurge is drinking?
lll7: time
jamal [1d\]: b2 was big
]
;B[sh]C[aDeadman [3d\]: hui
Aksan [10k\]: boy yomi?
rat [1k\]: white too quick, what did b play?
Tetriste [-\]: t12?
]
;W[qo]C[aDeadman [3d\]: a theres a bit left
]
;B[qp]
;W[rn]C[Tetriste [-\]: aaaaaahhhh I don't understand
icewater [1d?\]: captured s12
Koffein [-\]: o10 ?
rat [1k\]: ok
jamal [1d\]: d9 important
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in byo yomi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 20 stones 5 min
Tetriste [-\]: p10?
AutoAtari [3k\]: what is w doing?????
Koffein [-\]: progressive?
aDeadman [3d\]: is it progressive?
cherisse [1d\]: b should be okay
mafutrct [2d\]: o10 looks ok
Chilltime [1d\]: b wins
]
;B[mk]C[Tetriste [-\]: wow
]
;W[cl]C[Tetriste [-\]: so far
]
;B[bm]C[aDeadman [3d\]: yes
AutoAtari [3k\]: did he just give him more time?
]
;W[mg]C[DangoMango [2k\]: d9 huge
aDeadman [3d\]: progressive byoyomi
]
;B[rp]C[mafutrct [2d\]: n9 so small oO
]
;W[nh]
;B[pg]C[aDeadman [3d\]: 20 25 30 usw
gkoabs: n9 ok
mafutrct [2d\]: how is it ok when o10 is possible
Tetriste [-\]: b seems aheard a bit
icewater [1d?\]: m10?
Goreon [2d\]: p13 
Tetriste [-\]: ahead
mafutrct [2d\]: dont take gote
largehc [2k\]: p13 sente?
Chilltime [1d\]: no
largehc [2k\]: almost sente
]
;W[rd]C[Balladeer [4d\]: E2 looks big
Tetriste [-\]: 0.0
Chilltime [1d\]: :P
mafutrct [2d\]: hehe goreon right
cherisse [1d\]: what is this
ProoMas [3k\]: o wow
ProoMas [3k\]: nice!!!!
mafutrct [2d\]: p13 is sente
]
;B[re]
;W[og]C[ProoMas [3k\]: hmm
icewater [1d?\]: q14
MikeGering [?\]: now it is
largehc [2k\]: totally sente
ProoMas [3k\]: I expected r15
Javaness [2d\]: is this some kind of lol
Tetriste [-\]: no
]
;B[pf]C[mafutrct [2d\]: s16 makes sure that w can q19 in sente later
]
;W[lj]C[cherisse [1d\]: nyah it's out
DangoMango [2k\]: b resigns
icewater [1d?\]: white will not let black think on white's time
captnapalm [1k\]: b q8
Tsuijin [2d\]: of course its his time
Tetriste [-\]: black played so bad in the last couple moves
Sven84 [2k\]: b in so much pain
Watchmaker [1k\]: g17?
Cassis0 [5d\]: w is ahead
AutoAtari [3k\]: huh, never heard of progressive byoyomi before
]
;B[pi]C[ProoMas [3k\]: close game I think
gkoabs: b dies center?
ProoMas [3k\]: gonna be 0.5 pt difference ;P
]
;W[pl]C[daladim [1d\]: congrats for 3k proomas ;)
captnapalm [1k\]: fail
aDeadman [3d\]: b will not resign untill hes more than 40 points behind
Tetriste [-\]: n12?
]
;B[mh]
;W[lh]C[mafutrct [2d\]: yes b dies in center when tenuki 4 or more  times
]
;B[mi]C[ProoMas [3k\]: :D
]
;W[li]
;B[jl]C[ProoMas [3k\]: what?
ProoMas [3k\]: what was that for?
icewater [1d?\]: k8 so small
pupukani [8k\]: how is black dead?
ProoMas [3k\]: n10 way bigger
]
;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[fd]C[Concinnity [4k\]: Black is not dead
aDeadman [3d\]: finally
daladim [1d\]: i dont remember who called g16
]
;B[ed]
;W[gc]C[daladim [1d\]: but it has been called
icewater [1d?\]: yeah i don't remember either
Demon [4d?\]: i think a lot of people called g16
Tetriste [-\]: d12 would've prevented that
HeeroYuy [3k\]: n  10 was what i also thought n9 should have been
gkoabs: not
aDeadman [3d\]: 15 more points to go
]
;B[er]
;W[el]C[Tsuijin [2d\]: no way to win by 40+ =(
Tetriste [-\]: this is frustrating to watch
]
;B[ni]
;W[pj]
;B[oh]C[mafutrct [2d\]: why does w need to win 40+?
aDeadman [3d\]: snuugens
Eusebius [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HahnSystem
Chilltime [1d\]: hahn system mafu
o1600seki [1d\]: q19 
Chilltime [1d\]: 40+ is best win possible
mafutrct [2d\]: oh and he needs the best win
captnapalm [1k\]: snoochie boochie (better)
]
;W[ee]
;B[ff]
;W[gg]
;B[kg]
;W[lg]C[jamal [1d\]: l14
aDeadman [3d\]: even if you loose you get points
ProoMas [3k\]: alright so
Mdx [6k\]: i liked this system
ProoMas [3k\]: what happens if u resign, with hahn system?
aDeadman [3d\]: me too
]
;B[cm]
;W[dl]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: weird
aDeadman [3d\]: resign is same as 40+
Tetriste [-\]: resign is probably like losing by 40 points or more
]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]C[ProoMas [3k\]: ok
mafutrct [2d\]: sounds like all my games would end with full points for either player ^_^
Concinnity [4k\]: I intensely dislike the Hahn system. One of the great things about go is winning by a small margin.
ToDie [4d\]: i don´t like this system...
]
;B[ok]C[tomason [2d?\]: 15 points for W?
Namii [6d\]: Go Ondra!
ProoMas [3k\]: so
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 25 stones 5 min
mafutrct [2d\]: congrats on 4d todie
]
;W[oj]C[ProoMas [3k\]: if one player is losing by 5.5 points or so
ProoMas [3k\]: and he resign
Tsuijin [2d\]: whole point of this system is to force fighting
]
;B[ol]C[ProoMas [3k\]: the other player gets points as if it was +40?
icewater [1d?\]: W ahead by 10-15
]
;W[pm]C[ToDie [4d\]: thx^^
Tsuijin [2d\]: no one cares about slim wins in this sytem
Mdx [6k\]: Proomas, i think yes
Tetriste [-\]: a9?
ProoMas [3k\]: that makes no sence >.>
]
;B[pa]
;W[kl]
;B[lm]C[Mdx [6k\]: it makes, you need to best play until the end
narugo [2d\]: ofc you dont resign this system
MCGler [4k?\]: the only thing i like about the system is that we can see more games being played out till the end and even remaining interesting, since both players try to maximize their points.
ProoMas [3k\]: yea but
ProoMas [3k\]: for the losing player
mafutrct [2d\]: q19 was big
ProoMas [3k\]: it makes no difference
]
;W[pq]
;B[qq]C[Tarezax [7k\]: The losing player still has something to gain
]
;W[nq]C[Tetriste [-\]: yeah
Mdx [6k\]: it makes, he may lost a game, but not the war
Tarezax [7k\]: If he makes it close he still gets points
ProoMas [3k\]: oh
Tetriste [-\]: loser still gets points
ProoMas [3k\]: yea
ProoMas [3k\]: now I see
ProoMas [3k\]: ok
jamal [1d\]: wow q3
ProoMas [3k\]: :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Koukkaaja [3d\]: losing player might gain some small percentage of the prize
icewater [1d?\]: L12 or L11?
jamal [1d\]: about 2 points reverse sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k3
aDeadman [3d\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/downloads/invitation.pdf
]
;B[kh]
;W[ik]C[Tetriste [-\]: b18? 0.0
aDeadman [3d\]: there u can see even place 20 gets 50 euros
bokuuwa: who is da japa?
KCOPR: Is this the Ukranian Meijin Chamiopnship?
gkoabs: sure
ProoMas [3k\]: b18 is -1 point in gote
aDeadman [3d\]: and 30th gets book
KCOPR: Championship*?
cherisse [1d\]: saved password ftw
]
;B[hk]
;W[jq]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: KCOPR look above the board
KCOPR: Good enough...
Shrewd [2d?\]: relying on your memory not so much
]
;B[ij]C[Tetriste [-\]: definitly not gote, but it definitly doesnt work
]
;W[ef]
;B[if]
;W[do]
;B[co]C[daladim [1d\]: black has one group
]
;W[os]C[Chilltime [1d\]: now 7 d endgame
]
;B[qr]C[ProoMas [3k\]: might be gote
]
;W[oi]C[Chilltime [1d\]: gap will be 20 or more
Chilltime [1d\]: ?
KCOPR: White seems very solid.
]
;B[oa]
;W[nb]C[Goreon [2d\]: 7d always has sente
Tsuijin [2d\]: does white get promoted to 8 dan if he wins this game since he so close to 2800?
cherisse [1d\]: korean players always have this eyeglasses
icewater [1d?\]: 7d is highest lank
]
;B[ps]
;W[ns]
;B[gs]
;W[hs]C[icewater [1d?\]: *rank
Mdx [6k\]: how many people in this champ?
mafutrct [2d\]: http://mafutrct.wordpress.com/kgs-faq/#highestrank
KCOPR: I thought it was 9 Dan?
mafutrct [2d\]: have a look at that link :)
aDeadman [3d\]: not for amateur
]
;B[ph]
;W[nj]
;B[mj]
;W[gr]
;B[fs]
;W[gq]
;B[gp]C[Demon [4d?\]: 9d is highest rank on kgs, different ranking systems stop at different ranks, but 7d is pretty normal
]
;W[sj]
(;B[si]C[Michi86 [7k\]: amateur 8d is given to winner of WAGC
])
(;B[pk]
;W[qk]C[ProoMas [3k\]: 8d and 9d are special ranks
]
;B[si]C[Mdx [6k\]: why g4 played?
]
;W[gj]C[baguette: 31k too
]
;B[hi]C[Mdx [6k\]: ah, wait
Mdx [6k\]: o.O
]
;W[gl]
;B[hl]
;W[ki]
;B[ji]
;W[le]
;B[kf]C[KCOPR: The game is pretty much over...
AutoAtari [3k\]: wow, so fast
]
;W[al]C[KCOPR: Too bad I missed it.
]
;B[am]
;W[ak]
;B[sn]
;W[sm]
;B[so]C[Kantarella [9k\]: exactly 20?
]
;W[om]C[bokuuwa: why the hell they dont hit the clock?
]
;B[nm]
;W[ll]C[mafutrct [2d\]: good transscription today
ProoMas [3k\]: m9 worth any points?
ProoMas [3k\]: aw
ProoMas [3k\]: =(
]
;B[nk]
;W[ml]
;B[nl]
;W[kj]
;B[lk]C[KCOPR: I have never seen Go players use the Elo system...
Mdx [6k\]: chinese rule?
AutoAtari [3k\]: they're not even pressing the clock
ProoMas [3k\]: dames now
]
;W[lf]
;B[gk]
;W[gm]C[Concinnity [4k\]: THere's just going to finish it now, no need for the clock
]
;B[gn]C[ProoMas [3k\]: so no need for clock
ProoMas [3k\]: :P
]
;W[oo]
;B[po]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: oh it's over
bokuuwa: dunno
bokuuwa: thats looks like weird
Laman [1d\]: oh, now i realised, this is the no-resign system, right?
icewater [1d?\]: they are fast in the end
gkoabs: who wins?
daladim [1d\]: w
icewater [1d?\]: yeah
rasengan [4k\]: is it chinese counting?
Wagaboo [7k\]: wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Chilltime [1d\]: no
Headless [8k?\]: w+23,5
KCOPR: Black seems to have lost.
KCOPR: But then again I am an amauter.
aDeadman [3d\]: japanese counting
Mdx [6k\]: we are all
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+23.5
AutoAtari [3k\]: official score?
aDeadman [3d\]: u now there is no kgs counter onthe board
Laman [1d\]: pretty impressive score difference
Tetriste [-\]: this is kinda disappointing... b lost c10 and l8
gkoabs: b got creamed in the end game
Goreon [2d\]: j15 
icewater [1d?\]: oh mini review
cherisse [1d\]: discussing after the game so nice :-)
AutoAtari [3k\]: they're discussing d12
icewater [1d?\]: yeah
gkoabs: d12
icewater [1d?\]: white player feels he should have played d12
bokuuwa: c10
ProoMas [3k\]: wait so
AutoAtari [3k\]: how did it work?
ProoMas [3k\]: w is chinese and he speaks english?
ProoMas [3k\]: wow
Tsuijin [2d\]: he isn't chinese..
Tarezax [7k\]: Korean
Tsuijin [2d\]: so that would be amazing
ProoMas [3k\]: oh
Tokaro [14k\]: lol no he is korean
Tarezax [7k\]: you can tell from the name
ProoMas [3k\]: korean
ProoMas [3k\]: hmmm ok
ProoMas [3k\]: cho is chinese name
ProoMas [3k\]: seok is korean name
ProoMas [3k\]: :D
Tsuijin [2d\]: cho is not chinese name..
Tarezax [7k\]: Not chinese spelling
gkoabs: ..and w dies
cheoksa [5k\]: seok is entering tone
cecco [7k\]: n16
cheoksa [5k\]: doesn't exist in chinese
Tarezax [7k\]: Mainland would spell it Zhou
Tokaro [14k\]: he was giving a teaching lesson in zürich for 2 month
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: d3 losing move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: d12 would have been fine
KCOPR: This is from Zurich, Germany?
aDeadman [3d\]: lol
aDeadman [3d\]: Zurich is swiss
gkoabs: w so happy, that he tricked b so much in the end
Tokaro [14k\]: nope yesterday he was going to berlin
gkoabs: beaming
bokuuwa: yes w IS VERY HAPPY
tomason [2d?\]: Thanks to Eurogo, so nice to see live pictures and board
bokuuwa: b sad.
bokuuwa: :(
chthonic: how many points did w earn from the win?
bokuuwa: he didnt smile yet
bokuuwa: lol
bokuuwa: only w smiles
aDeadman [3d\]: when 2nd round?
bokuuwa: xD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: next round in 30 minutes i think
Deejay [2d\]: 70 or 80 points
dft [5k?\]: nom..
bokuuwa: is b angry?
bokuuwa: ..
Wagaboo [7k\]: angry yo himself
Prii01 [8k\]: ty EuroGoTV
icewater [1d?\]: wow white is really happy ;)
bokuuwa: lol w never stop laught
aDeadman [3d\]: will we see Seok-bin vs in-seong?
bokuuwa: hahaha
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that game probarbly tomorrow
Tokaro [14k\]: would be grat^^
aDeadman [3d\]: ok
Tokaro [14k\]: great both of my senseis against each other
chthonic: can I see the results of other games soemwhere?
aDeadman [3d\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/invitation.en.html
aDeadman [3d\]: probably there
icewater [1d?\]: he didn't like b8 lol
bokuuwa: he is
bokuuwa: veryyyyyyy
bokuuwa: but very happy
AutoAtari [3k\]: EuroGoTV1 good job, thanks
LetsGooo: thanks harry!
bokuuwa: Good game ALL
cherisse [1d\]: thanks
Jadeite [7k?\]: Thank you Harry :)
bokuuwa: thx potter
icewater [1d?\]: you know, since 7d is capped ranking, it is possible for 7ds to be very strong
aDeadman [3d\]: ah sat 10 oclock Berlin time
icewater [1d?\]: this is advantageous for handicap giving for 7ds
LetsGooo: he is smiling so much
LetsGooo: very impressive :)
Tsuijin [2d\]: is handicap based on ELO or ranking?
Tsuijin [2d\]: i wanna see seok give more stones
aDeadman [3d\]: on points in the tournament
aDeadman [3d\]: 100 points is 1 stone
bokuuwa: poor Ondrej
bokuuwa: :(
Tsuijin [2d\]: o
Tsuijin [2d\]: cool
bokuuwa: dude
bokuuwa: he is very sad
bokuuwa: .....
icewater [1d?\]: i am surprised they didn't have an electronic clock
lll7: do you know who is right?
lll7: hwang?
lll7: Lin?
lll7: Chen? 
lll7: {in TV}
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in- seong
lll7: thanx
FrodosGban [9k\]: test
lll7: is it dficut to move camera to see other game? 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes and they are almost finished
lll7: well thanx for trying
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are finished
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there will be another round
lll7: it is my it is my son :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: who
lll7: against in-seong
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: o  ok
lll7: thnx
Nickless [-\]: do you have a tournament table available online ?
]))