(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[3]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Go to Innovation, Go-week Berlin board 1 round 2]PW[Seok-Bin Cho (2794)]PB[Jan Prokop (2421)]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2010-11-19]RO[2]PC[Berlin, Germany]US[HW9x9]AB[pd][dp][pp]C[CBlue [?\]: round 1 was at 3 hc too?
Laza [6d\]: lol, 3 !?
dxxd [1k\]: laza, see last game
DangoMango [2k\]: who's jan prokkop
ygz5001 [5k\]: black
ygz5001 [5k\]: lol
Nickless [-\]: is there a tournament table available /
Nickless [-\]: ?
Excalibor [?\]: those are their GOR points?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: link soon
Dcugel [6d\]: start
whatisgo [2d\]: i would prefere to see dan ranks instead of rating
Excalibor [?\]: hey harry, you go to all the parties! ;-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 4d vs 7d
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am a party animal
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Excalibor [?\]: ^^
whatisgo [2d\]: alll the go players are
Tokaro [13k\]: xd my sensei for the win^^
norsu [1d\]: can b select if he wants to have handi or komi?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes he can
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i hope he will chose stones
BinX [-\]: X)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: otherwise i have to close this board
Nitrogen [1k\]: why wasnt there handi in the first round?
Excalibor [?\]: ah, lol
BinX [-\]: can't you just delete the handi stones ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nope
ygz5001 [5k\]: when it going to start?
CBlue [?\]: what shape is Bin in? rusty from playing euro dans?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: any second
whatisgo [2d\]: how much komi could be for 3 stones?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bin is focused
DarthSanta [3k\]: one stone = 13 komi?
ygz5001 [5k\]: no ways
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
whatisgo [2d\]: even 10 for a stone is too much
n9 [1d\]: Is this the game where the score difference matters?
Onmyoji [-\]: hi
TheClown [2d\]: pne stone is about 13 pts
Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+351.5
TheClown [2d\]: one stone
Gailu [9k\]: what's your count onmyoji?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Gailu [9k\]: owned....
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
whatisgo [2d\]: 0-0
Deejay [2d\]: w-35
kfardzil [9k\]: what is the meaning of the number next to the name?
TheClown [2d\]: 32.5 is proper komi
n9 [1d\]: If that was in response to my question, thank you EuroGo
nicinima [6k\]: their pro rank
Onmyoji [-\]: its their power level
nicinima [6k\]: thats why 3 handi
ygz5001 [5k\]: lol
kfardzil [9k\]: rank or level?
ygz5001 [5k\]: like the hit points?
wronkth [4k\]: that's not rank.  i think it's point totals
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;W[dd]C[Kairoseki [4k\]: seok bin won bejore?
IcedEarth [-\]: ygz nice ^^
norsu [1d\]: now there is 3 handi and 6.5 komi. Correct?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
Onmyoji [-\]: good move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 0.5
Javaness [2d\]: Mr Cho looks a little older
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;B[fc]
;W[cg]C[CBlue [?\]: the numbers are from eurogotv's scouter
DangoMango [2k\]: same moves
Javaness [2d\]: Go Rating
norsu [1d\]: so rules has wrong komi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
DangoMango [2k\]: l17 again?
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;B[jd]
;W[qj]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: t
KoReNJe [3d\]: hi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi
sagesse [-\]: how old is cho seok bin?
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;B[qf]
;W[qn]C[flocc [9k?\]: I want to see w invade
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;B[nq]C[norsu [1d\]: what is b's rank in kgs?
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;W[hc]C[DomDaniel [1d\]: 6d
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;B[hd]C[whatisgo [2d\]: invade where?
GoShinobi [-\]: go seok-bin !!!!
KoReNJe [3d\]: isn't euro team champshp on igs?
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;W[id]C[MatchFree [-\]: B already behind!!
ygz5001 [5k\]: where is he from?
Excalibor [?\]: interesting... i have seen several whites playing ogeima when black makes keima kakari...
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;B[ic]C[norsu [1d\]: and w is 9d?
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;W[ie]C[kazak [1d\]: c'est quoi ce systeme de classement?
Onmyoji [-\]: w plays like a 8d
GotIt [3k\]: K17 ?
gomudro: strange b strategy with ladders working for w
DomDaniel [1d\]: c'est quelquechose bizzare :D
Tokaro [13k\]: around 25 years old when i remember right i always playing against him but never have asked
karabos [1d?\]: c'est comme aux échecs :)
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;B[he]C[WildThing [2d\]: gone walkies already
karabos [1d?\]: un peu élevé qd mm :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
DomDaniel [1d\]: un peu? :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi Java
Javaness [2d\]: Hi
ygz5001 [5k\]: you must computer enginnering or something
ygz5001 [5k\]: *major
KoReNJe [3d\]: euro, you should put some deboxing filter on ur videos
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;W[jc]
;B[ib]
;W[kc]C[Nitrogen [1k\]: on the lens is better
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: deboxing?
KoReNJe [3d\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: whats that?
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;B[hb]
;W[if]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: if you view video in full screen, you see that pixels are squares
norsu [1d\]: m17 
Koffein [-\]: pixels are suares? *shocked*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and now?
Koffein [-\]: squares*
KoReNJe [3d\]: video pixels
AutoAtari [3k\]: I thought they were star-shaped
dxxd [1k\]: how did Savolainen play on the first round?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html
dxxd [1k\]: thx :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: KoReNJe; better now?
setarkos [?\]: hi, harry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi Tobi
Tetriste [-\]: ... not all pixels are square, on some screens they're more rectangularish
setarkos [?\]: see you next weekend!
KoReNJe [3d\]: why is cho competing for CH?
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;B[cc]
;W[dc]C[setarkos [?\]: living in CH?
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;B[cd]
;W[de]C[setarkos [?\]: ;-)
KoReNJe [3d\]: euro better
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
grimaldi [11k\]: should use this filter: http://transcoding.org/transcode?Filter_Plugins/Filter_Ascii
Tokaro [13k\]: because i was in switzerland for 2 month
Tokaro [13k\]: *he was
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;B[bf]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx for the link; will check it later
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;W[cf]C[grimaldi [11k\]: ;-)
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;B[bg]
;W[cb]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tricked
Higanbana [?\]: I think that link was a joke
Slug [6k\]: Is this a handicap game?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Higanbana [?\]: 3 stone Handi
Slug [6k\]: I see
Slug [6k\]: ty
kikoo90 [8k\]: how good are the players in kgs rank?
thekaiser [1d\]: b16
KoReNJe [3d\]: 9d
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9d vs 5-6d
Indigoflow [3d\]: if you want to see it from start you can clone it and click through
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;B[be]
;W[ch]
;B[bb]C[kikoo90 [8k\]: thx
Slug [6k\]: ty indigoflow
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;W[hf]C[Higanbana [?\]: do they have kgs accounts?
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;B[fe]C[Indigoflow [3d\]: you're welcome
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;W[ff]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: L16
setarkos [?\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=13833930
Nitrogen [1k\]: are there any pairings to look at?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results see link in my info
setarkos [?\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=10433654
setarkos [?\]: its so easy with g**gl*
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;B[cn]
;W[eb]C[setarkos [?\]: ;-)
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;B[fb]
;W[ba]C[Higanbana [?\]: b has so many corners..
KoReNJe [3d\]: on the last tournament, cho got only 2 points for all 5 wins lol
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;B[bh]
;W[cj]
;B[ci]
;W[di]
;B[bi]
;W[dk]C[AutoAtari [3k\]: oh, previous game was also handi
Windir [2d\]: oh b suffers a bit
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;B[oc]
;W[bc]C[ggggggg [4k\]: is that some speciaity of this tournament? dan players playing with handi?
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;B[bk]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: when cho was born
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;W[co]C[Chilltime [1d\]: hm
gomudro: i do not think b can win like this, too passive
Wagaboo [7k\]: he was already 7d
Windir [2d\]: its full handi ournament
Chilltime [1d\]: jan prokop is getting destroyed
Wagaboo [7k\]: he goes out and said
Wagaboo [7k\]: atari to its parents
ickypoo [2d?\]: Wagaboo: you are crass
TheClown [2d\]: d5 c7?
verydrunk [-\]: time/
verydrunk [-\]: time?
TheClown [2d\]: blck is in trouble
thekaiser [1d\]: i like c4 
KlausK [6k\]: c4
thekaiser [1d\]: d5 is too comon
TheClown [2d\]: but how after d5 respond c7
Excalibor [?\]: is there a good reply by black?
dft [5k?\]: c5 c8 d5 d6 d6
clossius [1d\]: b d-6?
ygz5001 [5k\]:                                                                                                                                    
wronkth [4k\]: c4 ?
KlausK [6k\]: d6 leaves mass aji right ?
Fassal [7k\]: wow lots of people there - i wish my go club was like that 
TheClown [2d\]: perhaps he have to accept the aji
Indigoflow [3d\]: D5 is normal i think
Slug [6k\]: c5 is putting black in a position where he needs to balance keeping b11 alive and keeping sente/control of corner... hard to accomplish both at once
Indigoflow [3d\]: but here the left is so weak ^^
Windir [2d\]: c5 is to cutt off B11 and then its dead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Slug [6k\]: yes windir
clossius [1d\]: Bd-5 I'm worried white c-7
clossius [1d\]: Thanks eurogotv!
Indigoflow [3d\]: mhm
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;B[bo]C[clossius [1d\]: on...
clossius [1d\]: oh...
clossius [1d\]: didn't consider that
Zensuround [4k?\]:  what is the number by the name of the players?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rating
Excalibor [?\]: i did but it looks so pasive...
Ludovician [5d\]: it's rather late even in berlin, isn't it
Slug [6k\]: this is a move to simplify
Indigoflow [3d\]: i think it was between b5, d6 and c8....
Koffein [-\]: yes, 9:40 pm
lorill [3k\]: 21h40
Zensuround [4k?\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is 21.40 here
wronkth [4k\]: i like move
TheClown [2d\]: it crosscut
Wagaboo [7k\]: it was b12 b mistake
Indigoflow [3d\]: but theyre all painful
verydrunk [-\]: oh no!!! It's past bedtime
Koffein [-\]: there´s no bedtime for drunk people ;-)
Slug [6k\]: I think white gets corner and black lives on 1st line :\\
Slug [6k\]: with some influence
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;W[cm]C[wronkth [4k\]: if that were true, koffein than noone would invest in sharpie pens
clossius [1d\]: nice move
CatoMajor [2k\]: "Lives on first line with influence" sounds somehow wrong. :)
clossius [1d\]: now white can gain controle of the center
verydrunk [-\]: get the kids in bed so we can crack open the Chardonnay
Indigoflow [3d\]: mhm
Slug [6k\]: a little influence catomajor,
Inglorious [1d\]: i like bs position
AutoAtari [3k\]: living on the 1st line is pretty hard (but not impossible)
Indigoflow [3d\]: as i said: painful either way
Slug [6k\]: if he gets his nose out into the middle that is
thekaiser [1d\]: again 2nd line
panzan [3k\]: whats that 2794 and 2421 numbers?
verydrunk [-\]: b7  or d6?
DomDaniel [1d\]: egf rating
thekaiser [1d\]: b's going to be crushed
wronkth [4k\]: hast to b7, i think?
TheClown [2d\]: b7 no other shoice
AutoAtari [3k\]: chess elo :)
thekaiser [1d\]: if he continues that way
panzan [3k\]: chess?
panzan [3k\]: O
ggggggg [4k\]: yup
Fassal [7k\]: whats the rank of both players?
ggggggg [4k\]: they choose handi by chess strenght. funny idea
Zensuround [4k?\]: mmore than 7k
Ignatius [1k\]: 2794
ggggggg [4k\]: 7d vs 4d
grimaldi [11k\]: see links to europeangodatabase above.
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;B[bm]
;W[dn]C[verydrunk [-\]: says so at the top
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;B[bn]C[Nitrogen [1k\]: looks like bin has used only 5 min
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;W[fp]C[ikuy [3d\]: it´s like 2700=7d and 2400=4d
verydrunk [-\]: yes i asked earlier adn now i ask again
Indigoflow [3d\]: i think B14 was the misstake that started it
verydrunk [-\]: what is the time left?
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;B[do]
;W[lq]C[Windir [2d\]: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see the clock in the TV broadcast
Nitrogen [1k\]: b has spent 20
Zensuround [4k?\]: you dont have much time, try some sleep
Windir [2d\]: seems like white get huge center 
Tollpatsch [1k\]: 2nd line fuseki ;)
AerinDad [2k\]: black has made more moves on second line than not on second line
Zensuround [4k?\]: o5 area and o12 are open
mayumi [2k\]: 40 min for b, 55 for w left
ickypoo [2d?\]: e6 
Nitrogen [1k\]: good observation
panzan [3k\]: yeah
panzan [3k\]: 50-50
Zensuround [4k?\]: b has mre secured point
ickypoo [2d?\]: got to out to the center, no?
Zensuround [4k?\]: M5 is possible
Pichan [1k\]: E6
Zensuround [4k?\]: F6 im not sure
Farflame [2d\]: F5
thekaiser [1d\]: why not close the 4 corners issue with s4 and then start to attack
ikuy [3d\]: to attack what?
Indigoflow [3d\]: perhaps M4
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;B[fo]
;W[go]C[ikuy [3d\]: f6 
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;B[fn]C[Tetriste [-\]: too easy
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;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: i dont like f5
Tetriste [-\]: no choice
Tetriste [-\]: if b defends against m3, w will fix and have nice territory
panzan [3k\]: g6 instead f6?
Wagaboo [7k\]: n5 is too early
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: where do you live Tokaro?
Tetriste [-\]: I think w is too strong for b to g6
Zensuround [4k?\]: what is your dan, Tetriste?
Pichan [1k\]: P4
Tetriste [-\]: what do you mean zensuround?
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;B[op]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rq]C[ikuy [3d\]: 2k-1kyu, he asks your rank
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;B[rn]
;W[qm]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: i see
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;B[qo]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: i though you knew what you are talking about
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;W[or]C[Tetriste [-\]: ...
Tetriste [-\]: are you implying I don't?
ygz5001 [5k\]: lol
wronkth [4k\]: he does good kibbitz
Wagaboo [7k\]: ooh
ggggggg [4k\]: nobody knows what hes talking about when hes talking about go
ggggggg [4k\]: even 9p cannot calculate a game
whatisgo [2d\]: agreed
Wagaboo [7k\]: flamming is going on :/
Wagaboo [7k\]: i leave
horacelamb [3d\]: white has been pushing black around a lot this game
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;B[nn]
;W[hp]C[Bazoldi [12k\]: Talk about a game, predict moves doesn't have anything to do with calculate a game
Zensuround [4k?\]: i wouldnt dare to say a 4dan is to weak to read something I cannot read at all
horacelamb [3d\]: o6 looks way too slow
Chilltime [1d\]: d3 possible
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;B[rm]C[Tetriste [-\]: I'm strong for my direction of play, weak for fighting, that's all there is to it.
Zensuround [4k?\]: the white moyo didnt happen
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Flatstick [10k\]: Are you as strong as harry potter?
ggggggg [4k\]: but the weak black group happened
panzan [3k\]: w super moyo is gone!
Tetriste [-\]: harry potter is weak
ygz5001 [5k\]: harry potter?
wronkth [4k\]: there's still plenty room for white points
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;W[nj]C[Fietsbel [3d\]: this is a tournament game with full handicap?
Havocianed [11k?\]: I just returned playing after a half year break. Can someone remind me what moyo is?
ggggggg [4k\]: yup. full handi
ygz5001 [5k\]: does harry potter play go?
CatoMajor [2k\]: Havocianed, A big potential territory
ygz5001 [5k\]: i didnt know it
ikuy [3d\]: moyo= potential territory
Zensuround [4k?\]: b has no weak groups, w may win at the end, but I dont see B dead
Havocianed [11k?\]: oh ok, thanks
ikuy [3d\]: np
CatoMajor [2k\]: Havocianed, Emphasis on potential :)
Pichan [1k\]: G7
Inglorious [1d\]: isnt it unfair that b gets 3 handi in official tournament?
Windir [2d\]: why?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 4 would be more fair?
Tetriste [-\]: probably, eurogotv1
Windir [2d\]: haha
ProoMas [3k\]: :D
Farflame [2d\]: R8
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;B[mi]
;W[mj]C[Inglorious [1d\]: well then its possible that the strongest plr does not win
ikuy [3d\]: don´t win
Havocianed [11k?\]: doesn't
ProoMas [3k\]: in handicap tournaments, everyone is at the same strength
ikuy [3d\]: if the aer many strongest
Zensuround [4k?\]: dosent dident
ProoMas [3k\]: which means there can be no strongest
Nitrogen [1k\]: w is gooder
ProoMas [3k\]: :D
ggggggg [4k\]: many gooder
Ludovician [5d\]: handicap go is a recent innovation
Inglorious [1d\]: how many stones does a 3k get against a 7d?
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;B[li]C[ProoMas [3k\]: handicap go was invented around 200 years ago
TreeHugger [2d\]: when you say recent, what do you mean?
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;W[pg]C[Havocianed [11k?\]: 9
Tetriste [-\]: On the other hand, we could say that ''everyone has the same strength'' for players who are both 7d, and yet, there would be a strongest
ikuy [3d\]: handicap go was invented befire go was intended
TreeHugger [2d\]: shusaku played handicap go
ProoMas [3k\]: honinbo dosaku played handicap go
Pichan [1k\]: Jesus Christ also
a1h1 [1d\]: shusaku was a sandbagger
ProoMas [3k\]: at 1683
Excalibor [?\]: there already was handicap weiqi in ancient China
LightningK [4k\]: they are both recent compared to go itself
Zensuround [4k?\]: the neandhertals played handicap go
neargalaxy: I just logged in. What is the stated premise and manner of institution of this
Havocianed [11k?\]: Many rules of many games were adjusted with times... so what?
neargalaxy: demonstration
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;B[mf]C[Pichan [1k\]: Cro Magnon were handi fans
RocherCG [10k\]: so amebas were
ggggggg [4k\]: saurians sucked at go
Farflame [2d\]: someone can explain q13?
grimaldi [11k\]: and dinos played go with colored coconuts?
Ludovician [5d\]: yeah, very recent in the view of our old dinosaurs
panzan [3k\]: was b N11 to try capturing  L17
panzan [3k\]: ??
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;W[pf]C[ProoMas [3k\]: l15 soon
TreeHugger [2d\]: q13 sente and attacks n11, while at the same time removing b potential
ikuy [3d\]: n1 to put pressure on o10 group while reducing the w´s moyo and aiming at l15
ProoMas [3k\]: not strong enough for l15 yet, but soon...
ikuy [3d\]: *n11
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;B[qg]
;W[ng]C[ProoMas [3k\]: m14
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: l15
panzan [3k\]: thx
ProoMas [3k\]: l15 m15 l14 m14 l13 m13 
ikuy [3d\]: m15 
ProoMas [3k\]: yea
ProoMas [3k\]: m15 seems right to me too
ProoMas [3k\]: :P
ikuy [3d\]: m15 l15 l14 m16 
ikuy [3d\]: :)
ikuy [3d\]: or maybe l14
Tetriste [-\]: yeah, but I think w wants black to remove that aji... l15 seems nice, but a bit far from n14 :/
miao [6d\]: how is pavol doing?
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;B[mg]C[miao [6d\]: and assu?
ProoMas [3k\]: l15 urgent
DomDaniel [1d\]: pavol lost
miao [6d\]: against who?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: assu lost his first game (see results)
DomDaniel [1d\]: more results http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html
DomDaniel [1d\]: against hwang miao
miao [6d\]: thx
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;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[re]
;B[qh]C[Tetriste [-\]: must be a trap :O
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;W[qi]C[neargalaxy: sac?
miao [6d\]: hm
miao [6d\]: lol
miao [6d\]: b lost
Havocianed [11k?\]: can't b kill s15?
ygz5001 [5k\]: why?
wuhu [11k\]: wieso lol miao^^
miao [6d\]: w hat zu viele punkte
miao [6d\]: und s zu viele probleme
kairos [-\]: go so einfach ^^^
Tetriste [-\]: q12 seems normal
wuhu [11k\]: tja
Inglorious [1d\]: translation: w has to many points and b too much problems
Citron [2d\]: b dead
ygz5001 [5k\]: ure to kroke
Pingu007 [2d\]: p11?
miao [6d\]: for exampler8 sente
miao [6d\]: and b will be not alive even when he takes gote
miao [6d\]: so w ill aslo get l15
miao [6d\]: and then it seems like over to me
Tetriste [-\]: a12 p12 o14 p13  s16 s14 r16 s12 l15, or something like that
Tetriste [-\]: q12 as first
Tetriste [-\]: I meant
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;B[ph]
;W[oh]
;B[nf]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: B was ok before m11
]
;W[oi]C[Farflame [2d\]: tried offlline: B S16
miao [6d\]: b has lr 5 points max if he takes gote
miao [6d\]: ur 15
miao [6d\]: ul 9+13
miao [6d\]: and upper side 5
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;B[qd]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[miao [6d\]: so in total about 50 + more potential than white
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;W[qc]C[Tetriste [-\]: s18?
Havocianed [11k?\]: no way black kills s15?
icewater [1d?\]: yeah havac
Higanbana [?\]: wow w really reduced b corners well
thekaiser [1d\]: displace a stone like in hikaru no go
Tetriste [-\]: I think w ends in gote
miao [6d\]: w has upper corner 7 + lower side 15 +10 corner + 25 right side+5 upper side
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;B[qb]
;W[sc]
;B[rb]C[miao [6d\]: so 62
]
;W[rf]C[miao [6d\]: +influence
Tetriste [-\]: l15?
miao [6d\]: maybe i calculated a bit too much upper side lets say white 60
thekaiser [1d\]: l15 is now obligatory
Farflame [2d\]: sweet
]
;B[ke]
;W[dq]C[miao [6d\]: so i think thire will win by komi at least if b doesn´t get a really good endgame
Tetriste [-\]: seems an ok result
Berden [5k\]: what mean the numbers ( 1794 and 2421) behind the names???
ProoMas [3k\]: elo?
Nickless [-\]: their GoR ranking
miao [6d\]: that is their rating
kairos [-\]: it's hahn system miao
ggggggg [4k\]: they are still the egf rating
miao [6d\]: what is hahn?
Berden [5k\]: ahh thx
ProoMas [3k\]: system
ProoMas [3k\]: pt counting system
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Tetriste [-\]: depending on by how much they win their game, they get points
kairos [-\]: higher win more points
Sven84 [2k\]: miao: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HahnSystem
miao [6d\]: right
Tetriste [-\]: a really agressive system imo
largehc [2k\]: e3 seems funny
Farflame [2d\]: Eurogo can u give us the page with results?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info
Farflame [2d\]: perfect, thanks!
]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]C[miao [6d\]: @someone stronger than me why doesn´t white either take m4 or r8?
snowmen [3d\]: sente
]
;B[ql]
;W[cr]C[largehc [2k\]: seems like it
ClemGo [2k\]: is o2 sente ?
play234 [-\]: b looks so sad on the left side
miao [6d\]: not to the corner
miao [6d\]: and half to the side
ClemGo [2k\]: ok
thekaiser [1d\]: k5 seems right
miao [6d\]: no k5 bnot good
thekaiser [1d\]: give too much points?
miao [6d\]: too unactive
miao [6d\]: not result weither way
ProoMas [3k\]: k3
play234 [-\]: how many points are needed for 100p?
icewater [1d?\]: so white player is basically 8d based on his 2794 rating
miao [6d\]: for example k5 m5
miao [6d\]: no 8d in europe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 40 = 100
miao [6d\]: only 8d rating
play234 [-\]: ok thx
miao [6d\]: but no rank
]
;B[ol]
;W[mr]C[miao [6d\]: well at the egc they assume pros to be 8d ranked
miao [6d\]: but thats another storry
gomudro: oh god, why p8?
miao [6d\]: and only in side turnaments
ProoMas [3k\]: =D
miao [6d\]: ...
play234 [-\]: p8?...
]
;B[ef]
;W[fg]C[nhanh [1d\]: w is ahead, right?
Tetriste [-\]: k4?
miao [6d\]: hm
ProoMas [3k\]: se is crazy
ProoMas [3k\]: :S
]
;B[ee]C[gomudro: better resign than p8
josek [8k\]: what is the times?
]
;W[bq]C[clydesdale [2k\]: I make w ahead
]
;B[cp]C[fivekish [1d\]: w getting rocked by se lol
josek [8k\]: w seems to be playing really fast
]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[je]
;B[kd]
;W[ji]C[Havocianed [11k?\]: what do the numbers in between the () mean?
play234 [-\]: i count w ahead?
Tetriste [-\]: e14-15 seems so small
miao [6d\]: left 15 right 10 and uppper 40
miao [6d\]: so b 65
dyspeptor [1k\]: Havocianed: ELO ratings, i guess
gospiller [6k?\]: w = bin here in kgs?
snowmen [3d\]: han rules no resign possible
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
gospiller [6k?\]: tx
Nitrogen [1k\]: think b used 45 min, w used 10 min
thekaiser [1d\]: seems that w has already almost won
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can resign
nhanh [1d\]: b doesnt paly like a 4d
]
;B[gq]C[michael88 [8d\]: black is fine now..
josek [8k\]: how much time left?
Tetriste [-\]: b needs to complicate things
Havocianed [11k?\]: maybe it's the pressure nhanh
michael88 [8d\]: still have chance
]
;W[gp]C[miao [6d\]: w lower 35 + right 15 +middle 10
zflyhorse [1k\]: b  got mad
nhanh [1d\]: but position quite equal
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: resign = 0 points
ProoMas [3k\]: b top 37 pts if I count correctly
gomudro: no chance if you consider difference in strength
Tetriste [-\]: l3?
ProoMas [3k\]: either 36 or 37
thekaiser [1d\]: b has 60
kazak [1d\]: g4 est le meilleur coup?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: equal to -40 points
nhanh [1d\]: what is g3 for?
ProoMas [3k\]: so the system encourages not to resign >.>?
Tetriste [-\]: b might be thinking about invading this place
michael88 [8d\]: match is no difference for both..
miao [6d\]: b ants to threaten b2 maybe
nhanh [1d\]: some kind of pro nonsense moves
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: encourages to fight for every point
ProoMas [3k\]: but I mean
ProoMas [3k\]: if you see you're losing by 150 pts
Tetriste [-\]: ...
ProoMas [3k\]: and your every group die
ProoMas [3k\]: you'd like to resign
ProoMas [3k\]: but you really cant
ProoMas [3k\]: ;D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can
ProoMas [3k\]: yeah but u lost pts
ProoMas [3k\]: on resignation
ProoMas [3k\]: ;S
Tetriste [-\]: the system doesn encourage to fight after losing by more than 40 points
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: its the same as to lose with 40 points or more
ProoMas [3k\]: oh
ProoMas [3k\]: I thought u said if u resign u get 0
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: indeed
Tetriste [-\]: I think you do if you lose by more than 40 points
Nitrogen [1k\]: so nobody resigns in this tournament?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and if u lose by 40 u also get 0
ProoMas [3k\]: oh
ProoMas [3k\]: ok
ProoMas [3k\]: I'm a retard
ProoMas [3k\]: srry :D
Tetriste [-\]: yeah
Tetriste [-\]: that's fine
EricM [3d\]: what about L3?
fivekish [1d\]: w comfortably ahead i think
]
;B[fk]C[Tetriste [-\]: XD
snowmen [3d\]: if you loose by 50, you get -10?
Tetriste [-\]: I liked l3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 0 is minimum
miao [6d\]: how does this turnament influence your rating?
josek [8k\]: w just went to look at other game, and then returned
Havocianed [11k?\]: above 40 means 0
Havocianed [11k?\]: to sum this..
ProoMas [3k\]: if you lose by 50, you get "pssst, look there's a guy who was losing by 50pts and didn't resign"
Woodstock [-\]: what a shocker!
]
;W[fl]C[Raz [3k\]: black can't play s13 
Raz [3k\]: ?
ProoMas [3k\]: ofc he can play
Raz [3k\]: no 
ProoMas [3k\]: but no point in that
Raz [3k\]: dorry
Tetriste [-\]: nothing to do there
Raz [3k\]: sorry
Tetriste [-\]: no, I don't forgive you
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
ProoMas [3k\]: neither do i
HugaBuga [8k\]: lol
kostuek [-\]: i do
N4KED [4d?\]: What is up with the sound
Tetriste [-\]: kostuek...
Tetriste [-\]: you're weak.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound no good?
ProoMas [3k\]: did u just fart?
miao [6d\]: hho w got agrssive
snowmen [3d\]: no sound at all
kostuek [-\]: sorry
icewater [1d?\]: i think the sound is ok
N4KED [4d?\]: It sounds like people eating at a cheap resturaunt
icewater [1d?\]: i have sound
Tetriste [-\]: ...
Tetriste [-\]: it's.... disappointing...
snowmen [3d\]: o.k. , now I have also sound
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hahaha
N4KED [4d?\]: okay me too
Tetriste [-\]: g9? or play light?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (with sound^^)of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
N4KED [4d?\]: now its doing the resturaunt thing again
N4KED [4d?\]: and the kids fighting
]
;B[el]
;W[em]C[ivana [2k\]: what do I need for watching video, some plugin or something?
jpduke [7k\]: to me, white looks like he is being eaten away
ProoMas [3k\]: brains and 2 eyes
Tetriste [-\]: you need to pay me 50 bucks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: flash player
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: from adobe.com
ProoMas [3k\]: or blitz player
Tetriste [-\]: synonym
ivana [2k\]: thx
ProoMas [3k\]: :D
lalaland: u need to be a member to watch it?
kostuek [-\]: no point in video at all
Thoravatar [2d\]: wow black intends to lose by more?
Farflame [2d\]: time for b to show brave heart
ProoMas [3k\]: unless you want to see black starting to cry
ivana [2k\]: I'm a member, and I watched it just fine till year ago or so
kostuek [-\]: unless that, yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: memberrship is free and easy and fast
icewater [1d?\]: its a free account, and they only ask for username and password
]
;B[dr]C[icewater [1d?\]: and email
]
;W[br]
;B[er]
;W[fq]C[Windir [2d\]: lol
Thoravatar [2d\]: ??
Woodstock [-\]: aji keshi
]
;B[fr]
;W[gr]C[Windir [2d\]: 4d should be able to read this
Windir [2d\]: 5vs 3
Thoravatar [2d\]: he could get E4 in sente and instead he donates another 5 points
Tetriste [-\]: you're 2d Windir, not 4d...
Windir [2d\]: damn
Tetriste [-\]: XD
clydesdale [2k\]: b looks desperate
Windir [2d\]: then I fear I might loose this ability at 4d too
Woodstock [-\]: it's not that he didn't read the semeai
EricM [3d\]: should resign
Woodstock [-\]: he's just looking for aji where there isn't any
ProoMas [3k\]: cant resign
ProoMas [3k\]: stupid point system
ProoMas [3k\]: >.>
Thoravatar [2d\]: case of negative aji
icewater [1d?\]: white cut at F8 must have been shocking
josek [8k\]: w seems bored
]
;B[dl]
;W[ek]C[Windir [2d\]: danm an I didnt saw his face
]
;B[fm]
;W[gl]C[N4KED [4d?\]: well makes k3 sente
]
;B[cl]
;W[gm]C[miao [6d\]: bad b
Woodstock [-\]: ouch
miao [6d\]: f7 messed it all up
Tetriste [-\]: not even sente meh
]
;B[jk]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: b is trying to find a nuclear tesuji
]
;W[ik]
;B[jh]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: why dont just resign an have lunch?
Citron [2d\]: lol
Tetriste [-\]: you only get in nuclear after a lot of experimenting... I fear there's not enough playable move for that in this game
ProoMas [3k\]: b is trying to kill w's moyo
ProoMas [3k\]: =D
icewater [1d?\]: this tournament is about point differentials
icewater [1d?\]: not just wins and losses
Citron [2d\]: why dont just resign and let us go back to our activity?
]
;W[jj]C[ProoMas [3k\]: citron
largehc [2k\]: which is?
Tetriste [-\]: pfft
ProoMas [3k\]: if u resign
Javaness [2d\]: black taking a beating
Zensuround [4k?\]: eat
Nitrogen [1k\]: watching games
ProoMas [3k\]: u lose points
ProoMas [3k\]: by this point system
Tetriste [-\]: you should be able to multitask citron
Zensuround [4k?\]: is lunch time
Zensuround [4k?\]: or dinner
]
;B[jg]C[Tetriste [-\]: I eat chips and drink pepsi while listening music and watching and kibitzing
]
;W[ih]C[kostuek [-\]: sleep time
Zensuround [4k?\]: eew
miao [6d\]: b toast
Zensuround [4k?\]: pepsi and chips for fat kids
wronkth [4k\]: you'll get kibitz all over ur chips
Tetriste [-\]: are you implying I'm fat?
icewater [1d?\]: m5?
largehc [2k\]: you mean crisps?
]
;B[kk]C[Derrida [?\]: not yet 
Derrida [?\]: tetriste
]
;W[lo]
;B[il]C[Thoravatar [2d\]: white got 25 in center instead of 10, and black got about 5 points in return
casimiro [-\]: not fat, just heavy
]
;W[eo]
;B[dm]
;W[gn]C[miao [6d\]: lol
]
;B[en]C[Tetriste [-\]: I'm not fat or heavy, I'm thick
miao [6d\]: k7 becomes possible
wronkth [4k\]: blocky
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in byo yomi 25/5
largehc [2k\]: that's more eyes than I can count
Thoravatar [2d\]: k8?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no 20/5
Derrida [?\]: how many corners do you have tetriste? 
Tetriste [-\]: 5
]
;W[hk]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ProoMas [3k\]: w has 3.5 corners + middle teritory =D
wronkth [4k\]: if you're thick with 5 corners, than you win.  congrats
Tetriste [-\]: XD
]
;B[ig]
;W[hg]C[Higanbana [?\]: b had 3 corner enclosures at the start too >_<
]
;B[ii]C[miao [6d\]: looooool
miao [6d\]: l12
]
;W[kh]C[EricM [3d\]: l12 yes
Woodstock [-\]: poor guy
icewater [1d?\]: yeah
Tetriste [-\]: gg
EricM [3d\]: thank you EurogoTv
icewater [1d?\]: L11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yw
ProoMas [3k\]: l13?
Thoravatar [2d\]: points are leaking like crazy now
ProoMas [3k\]: I dont think that works
]
;B[jn]
;W[jo]C[ickypoo [2d?\]: no?
]
;B[io]C[ProoMas [3k\]: l13, what's then?
Namii [6d\]: if W gets M14 then N15 threatens a ladder
]
;W[ip]
;B[ko]C[Woodstock [-\]: it does work
Woodstock [-\]: because wM14 is sente
kairos [-\]: hahnsystem @ eric
]
(;W[jp]C[Namii [6d\]: l13 m13 h12 k14 j12 m14 
ickypoo [2d?\]: no follow through?
EricM [3d\]: b don't resign???
])
(;W[kp]
;B[jp]
;W[jq]C[Goreon [2d\]: hahn shows no mercy
ProoMas [3k\]: namii
ProoMas [3k\]: then black l11
Rakanishu [2d\]: b can start with o12
ProoMas [3k\]: oh
Rakanishu [2d\]: he can save his stones or kill w
ProoMas [3k\]: forgot that w m14 sente
Thoravatar [2d\]: well resign is almost possible
Rakanishu [2d\]: o12 then l13 works
miao [6d\]: no ran
gogonuts [5d\]: b never knew what hit him in this game
miao [6d\]: a 7d i guess
]
;B[dh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: lol
kostuek [-\]: what hit him?
Tetriste [-\]: this must be so annoying for black to have to keep playing for points XD
gogonuts [5d\]: the 7 d did :-)
]
;W[eh]
;B[dg]C[ProoMas [3k\]: Nammi
]
;W[ei]C[ProoMas [3k\]: m14 after your sequence
ProoMas [3k\]: what's then?
]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[ln]
;W[mo]C[miao [6d\]: i open a demo
ProoMas [3k\]: nvm
ProoMas [3k\]: ok
]
;B[mn]C[Namii [6d\]: I think I explained explicitly enough
]
;W[rk]C[Tetriste [-\]: I think w is bad in true blitz...
Namii [6d\]: W gets M14 in sente which threatens to destroy B's top
]
;B[bd]C[wronkth [4k\]: only if you can read a ladder :p
Woodstock [-\]: N8
]
;W[ab]
;B[sd]C[kurikuri [1d\]: doesn't black get out on l13?
Woodstock [-\]: S12
]
;W[rh]C[kostuek [-\]: ladders hard to read
Namii [6d\]: Ah, this is why I don't comment on KGS
Namii [6d\]: Forgot :P
]
;B[jo]C[EricM [3d\]: n8
]
;W[nl]
;B[nm]C[Kaizoku3 [1k\]: i hope black play E4 :-)
icewater [1d?\]: o7 seems terrible
]
;W[ll]
;B[ml]
;W[lk]C[kurikuri [1d\]: yeah... black gets out with l13
]
;B[ki]C[ProoMas [3k\]: kurikuri
ProoMas [3k\]: m14 sente
]
;W[kg]C[Woodstock [-\]: not without sacrificing K15, kurikuri
]
;B[kj]
;W[jf]C[ProoMas [3k\]: so b doesnt
gogonuts [5d\]: L13 fails - w breaks into the top
Tetriste [-\]: its getting boring to watch a lost game
Woodstock [-\]: K16 that is
kurikuri [1d\]: mmm, yeah
kurikuri [1d\]: m14
]
;B[qk]
;W[se]
;B[pj]C[Tetriste [-\]: n4 for b?
gogonuts [5d\]: what is the popint limit?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now 25/5
gogonuts [5d\]: point
ProoMas [3k\]: 40
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
ProoMas [3k\]: oh u mean
gogonuts [5d\]: almost there :-)
abx [7k\]: p10?
miao [6d\]: nah not yet
icewater [1d?\]: i like how he takes out the number of stones equal to the byo-yomi time
Thoravatar [2d\]: :)
ProoMas [3k\]: if u get 40pts behind, u get no points
miao [6d\]: maybe with another huge mess up
]
;W[oj]
;B[pk]
;W[pi]
;B[rl]
;W[rj]C[gooooo [7k\]: who are playing?
ProoMas [3k\]: people
Woodstock [-\]: seokbin is a beast
ProoMas [3k\]: people are playing
Zensuround [4k?\]: humans
]
;B[of]C[kostuek [-\]: cats
]
;W[og]C[Chuushoku [15k?\]: w and b 
ProoMas [3k\]: dans arent humans
miao [6d\]: mokeys
Thoravatar [2d\]: should be around 20 now i guess
gogonuts [5d\]: how is it divided up if w wins by 20?
ProoMas [3k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HahnPointingSystem
gooooo [7k\]: who are.white.and.black?
AutoAtari [3k\]: just look above the chat area
kostuek [-\]: cats
]
;B[ap]
;W[aq]C[aDeadman [3d\]: 80 20
Woodstock [-\]: the names are right there, goooo
]
;B[sb]C[aDeadman [3d\]: winner gets 60+difference loser 40-differencee
gooooo [7k\]: the android client doesnt show names in demos
]
;W[no]C[Higanbana [?\]: goooo only sees things in b and w
]
;B[oo]C[Derrida [?\]: god. i guess hahn got his phd for this amazing point system
]
;W[lf]
;B[me]
;W[fa]
;B[ga]C[Zensuround [4k?\]: download the client
]
;W[ea]
;B[mq]C[Tetriste [-\]: b n3?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats a weird system - losing twice by 19.5 is better than one resignation
Tetriste [-\]: :P
]
;W[kr]C[gooooo [7k\]: im on an android phone
Woodstock [-\]: oh...white is cho seokbin 7-dan and black is jan prokop 4-dan
Nitrogen [1k\]: when does it start again tomorrow?
]
;B[sp]C[Tetriste [-\]: g1?
]
;W[sq]
;B[so]C[aDeadman [3d\]: 10 am german time
]
;W[df]C[Derrida [?\]: the same game nitrogen?
]
;B[eg]
;W[ge]
;B[gd]C[kostuek [-\]: strong cats
]
;W[gf]C[ProoMas [3k\]: indeed
Derrida [?\]: at the exact same time as every day
]
;B[oq]
;W[pr]C[Derrida [?\]: see you
kimidori [1d\]: 10pm?
]
;B[ec]C[Tetriste [-\]: g1 h2 c1
]
;W[ed]
;B[fd]C[aDeadman [3d\]: am
ProoMas [3k\]: a1 
gogonuts [5d\]: b might just keep it under 20, then this total pwnage results in 70-30 - ridiculous
]
;W[km]C[ProoMas [3k\]: tetriste
aDeadman [3d\]: no
ProoMas [3k\]: g1 h2 c1 a1 
]
;B[kl]C[aDeadman [3d\]: they play single point hahnsystem
]
;W[jm]C[Derrida [?\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: oh
]
;B[im]
;W[lm]C[ExiTeD [4d?\]: don't panic
gooooo [7k\]: now that i think about i cant navigate the game at all :) cant clone cant.save.sgf cant go back.moves...
]
;B[nk]C[aDeadman [3d\]: if w wins bei 16 he gets 76 points
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
]
;W[bp]
;B[ao]C[ProoMas [3k\]: no deadman
gogonuts [5d\]: that sounds more reasonable
Tetriste [-\]: b4 gote?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: cant close, must watch
]
;W[bj]
;B[aj]C[aDeadman [3d\]: well is komi realy 6,5?
]
;W[ck]C[Woodstock [-\]: well, we can't navigate either
]
;B[mk]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: w win
]
;W[lj]C[aDeadman [3d\]: even if theres handicap?
]
;B[ep]
;W[sl]
;B[sm]
;W[sk]C[ProoMas [3k\]: komi 0.5
]
;B[ad]C[Wagaboo [7k\]: but blackplayed well
]
;W[ac]C[aDeadman [3d\]: yes deadman
countone [4k?\]: what about g1 and c1 for b?
]
;B[jl]C[aDeadman [3d\]: who played in this tournament already and must know so
ProoMas [3k\]: g1 h2 c1 a1 
Kaizoku3 [1k\]: D6 is funny shape
]
;W[hl]
;B[kn]C[Go4Ever01 [7k\]: :P
ProoMas [3k\]: wait
ProoMas [3k\]: isnt h6 1 point?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: around d6 is the worst way to make 5 points
Go4Ever01 [7k\]: for b yes
AutoAtari [3k\]: I can do worse!
Derrida [?\]: h6 n12
gogonuts [5d\]: to my eyes this was a total victory for w
Tcha [2d\]: c1 useless
]
;W[hn]
;B[in]
;W[ni]C[Romeo [1d\]: It still is? =p
]
;B[mh]
;W[nh]
;B[lh]
;W[lg]
;B[ho]
;W[hm]C[mailing [-\]: t16?
]
;B[mp]C[Thoravatar [2d\]: the ko?
Tcha [2d\]:  white A1
]
;W[lp]
;B[np]C[ProoMas [3k\]: =)
Excalibor [?\]: p6??
Derrida [?\]: d18
Thoravatar [2d\]: nm just give result score
ProoMas [3k\]: w+9.5?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+21.5
ProoMas [3k\]: ok..
clydesdale [2k\]: they're counting
gogonuts [5d\]: w komi is funny too
Tetriste [-\]: but se says 15.5 :(
Thoravatar [2d\]: nice
Fightspirt [3k?\]: komi
AutoAtari [3k\]: t16?
Farflame [2d\]: thanks for relaying Eurogo
ExiTeD [4d?\]: komi 6.5 lol
gogonuts [5d\]: in handicap games only reverse komi makes sense
Onibaka [4k\]: w c15 can help b
icewater [1d?\]: W + 10 ish?
kostuek [-\]: hahn system only for cats
Nakademic [-\]: huh? w got komi?
Derrida [?\]: hahn system for digh hans
Pylon [2d?\]: thx harry! :)
Tetriste [-\]: bigger than 6.5?
Woodstock [-\]: wrong game setup
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