(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[0.50]TM[4500]OT[20/300 Canadian]
GN[Go to Innovation, Go-week Berlin, board 1 round 7 Handicap 5]PW[In-Seong Hwang (2777)]PB[Jan Prokop (2421)]WR[7d]BR[4d]DT[2010-11-21]RO[7]PC[Berlin, Germany]US[HW9x9]C[xDragon [?\]: damn my time zone forcing me to miss round 6. wanted to see cho and hwang play
xDragon [?\]: 5 handi huh. should be interesting
DomDaniel [1d\]: 5 stones? wt
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;B[jj]C[ZeroKun [-\]: what the
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
ZeroKun [-\]: care to explain?
xDragon [?\]: i guess hwang is near 8d and jan is a weaker 4d
Sven84 [2k\]: hahn system crazy
AkinfeevK [1k\]: 7d vs 4d on 5 H )))
caglar [3k\]: hry
DomDaniel [1d\]: how about the other top guys?
N4KED [4d?\]: 4 + 5 = 9
Fleymen [4k\]: Go to Innovation is played with full handycap.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Fleymen [4k\]: and I assume they use the internal ranking as base.
Tien [9d\]: What's black's go rating?
Koffein [-\]: hahn is like toyota ... everything is possible
DomDaniel [1d\]: around 2400
Koffein [-\]: still i wouldn´t buy any toyota car ..
it [-\]: 2421
Tien [9d\]: Ok
Suramasa [4d\]: beast
Tien [9d\]: Close to 4 stones then
Tien [9d\]: Black might be well fit for this game
xDragon [?\]: ni seong screwing around 
BernD [-\]: its not only depending on the rating, but also on the results during this tournament
N4KED [4d?\]: white cant start the game without black?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on board 2 Seok-Bin Cho 7d vs Savolainen 5d also 5 handi
N4KED [4d?\]: isnt it obvious where black will place the 5 stones
Suramasa [4d\]: no
N4KED [4d?\]: lol
sqcsacasa: who won hwang vs suk bin?
Tien [9d\]: 7d vs. 5d, five handi? :D
gav1 [3d\]: mm/
Suramasa [4d\]: woo
it [-\]: in seong won
Peikko [1d\]: assu will get 5 stones?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
sqcsacasa: 7d is the top amateur rank---there can be big differences between 7d, just like between 9d on KGS
Peikko [1d\]: huh
gav1 [3d\]: this live now?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: waiting for Jan
Suramasa [4d\]: jan doing last minute studying? :\]
gav1 [3d\]: but 5 stones..iv beat pros with 4
Suramasa [4d\]: what pros
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, but now is is for 1000 euro!
ZeroKun [-\]: la de da
gav1 [3d\]: sung rae kim...ju young
Suramasa [4d\]: i've beaten 1p's on 3 handi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so no teaching game
Suramasa [4d\]: >.>
Suramasa [4d\]: i'm sure they're going easy
gav1 [3d\]: of course 
Tien [9d\]: By the way, this black has beaten JeffChang in an even game :)
gav1 [3d\]: but still i like to say it lol
Tien [9d\]: Quite recently
Suramasa [4d\]: im sure jeff was going eas.y...
DomDaniel [1d\]: you should've seen the last year
Peikko [1d\]: no one loses easily
NorthWind [5k\]: whoa, it's our old friend In-Seong Hwang. he's good
Jinni [2k\]: i do
Peikko [1d\]: especially plaers that strong
Peikko [1d\]: 6 dans don't
DomDaniel [1d\]: hwang is daemon
Tien [9d\]: Suramasa, in a deciding game for winning the tournament?
Suramasa [4d\]: but im sure i can't beat jeff
Suramasa [4d\]: even game
Peikko [1d\]: Jeff is strong
Suramasa [4d\]: so b probably stong :\]
Tien [9d\]: Everybody always has a chance of winning
slob [1k\]: w beated bin this morning
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ah, there is discussion about 5 handi or reverse komi
LastPoet [-\]: Vote HC 
Suramasa [4d\]: how much reverse komi would it be eurogo?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: about 65 or so
Suramasa [4d\]: wow
Jinni [2k\]: 6.5
Suramasa [4d\]: 65 reverse komi..
Peikko [1d\]: uh
chimbba [2k\]: :)
Sven84 [2k\]: cool
Tien [9d\]: I feel the handicap is easier :)
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
Koffein [-\]: i think 5 handi is better for white .. it´s difficult to use ALL handi stones effectively, so some stones may end up looking strange
Tien [9d\]: A lot easier
gav1 [3d\]: as long as b solid and dont fight..can win with 65
Jinni [2k\]: oh 65 and no handi
Suramasa [4d\]: lol white will fight though
xDragon [?\]: doing 5 handi
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;W[fc]C[slob [1k\]: probably depends on the player what the easeri between handis or komis
gav1 [3d\]: i know its good in theory tho
gogonuts [5d\]: lets see how in-seong handles this
Suramasa [4d\]: will be good game to watch
Peikko [1d\]: interesting
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;B[id]
;W[nc]C[lolmanever [1k\]: a 4d with 5 handicap?
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;B[qf]C[lolmanever [1k\]: who is he playing?
N4KED [4d?\]: j16 seems very unreasonable
Peikko [1d\]: the names are above this chat window
gogonuts [5d\]: w is usually an honest and careful player
N4KED [4d?\]: r14 is bad
lolmanever [1k\]: who is INseong?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now you will see the true mean player he is^^'
gogonuts [5d\]: but he needs some frivolousness here
gav1 [3d\]: honest player? o.O
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;W[kd]C[Kairoseki [4k\]: who won? seok o in-seong?
DomDaniel [1d\]: inseong
Suramasa [4d\]: n4ked how is j16 unreasonable
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Suramasa [4d\]: :o
Kairoseki [4k\]: ok
Kairoseki [4k\]: thx
Kairoseki [4k\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: right, he can show us his dark side this morning :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: camera position and sound ok?
ignaker [10k\]: yes
slob [1k\]: yeah
lolmanever [1k\]: it's 1:18 in the morning here
Suramasa [4d\]: Is inseonghwang the guy on the left or the right?
Suramasa [4d\]: nevermind
Suramasa [4d\]: forget i asked that
lolmanever [1k\]: is he a pro?
Koffein [-\]: no
lolmanever [1k\]: a 9d?
N4KED [4d?\]: I thought that european ranks were so high and then these guys are not so strong
N4KED [4d?\]: inseong is 9 dan on kgs
slob [1k\]: w is probbly strong as a pro
Suramasa [4d\]: how about jan?
Koffein [-\]: between 7d and 7d there may be 3 stones difference, naked
tulkas [3k?\]: Why doesn't B have a rating?
Suramasa [4d\]: anybody know jan's kgs rank?
N4KED [4d?\]: I think he trained to be a pro but didnt make it
Goreon [2d\]: w is crowis
noluck [-\]: inseong have a account on kgs?
N4KED [4d?\]: I thought it was rustysword
gogonuts [5d\]: b already getting confused?
N4KED [4d?\]: or maybe I am confused
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;B[df]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d14
N4KED [4d?\]: black is already in deep doo doo
gogonuts [5d\]: sure
lolmanever [1k\]: mman black is playing passive today
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;W[nq]C[lolmanever [1k\]: he needs to fight
JoostvdPol [6k\]: its a 5 handi game, cant he afford to play passively for a while?
gogonuts [5d\]: everything fine sofar by b
NorthWind [5k\]: fight for the right ..
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;B[np]C[Suramasa [4d\]: cmon e17 :D
LastPoet [-\]: rustysword was oh chimin wasent it?
lolmanever [1k\]: in handi cap, common mistake is not fighting
lolmanever [1k\]: then white takes everything
N4KED [4d?\]: he should fight but in a sacrificial way....not greedy fighting
gogonuts [5d\]: o4 is the wrong mentality
zc3k [1k\]: first kiss
gogonuts [5d\]: better k4
noluck [-\]: rustysword does'nt exist anymore
lolmanever [1k\]: well, at least black is playing more aggresive
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is in the army now
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;W[mp]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o4 is not aggressive
LastPoet [-\]: :((
N4KED [4d?\]: I forget his recent id
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;B[no]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its chicken
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;W[pq]C[lolmanever [1k\]: now it's chicken
lolmanever [1k\]: if he followed up with p3
Goreon [2d\]: who is in the army?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rustysword
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;B[oq]C[Goreon [2d\]: oh
Goreon [2d\]: thx
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;W[mr]C[lolmanever [1k\]: white is doing good
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;B[mo]C[Suramasa [4d\]: they're playing so fast!
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;W[lp]
;B[pj]C[Suramasa [4d\]: O:
gogonuts [5d\]: next w move will be interesting
LastPoet [-\]: eurogotv you know if hes back in eu after army? :o
slob [1k\]: thats one less grup b can attack
sqcsacasa: go czechia!
sqcsacasa: how old is prokop?
lolmanever [1k\]: indeed
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, he promised to come back
Goreon [2d\]: playing fast is good for the stronger player
nidza92 [-\]: no way white wins this
LastPoet [-\]: ! :))
JoostvdPol [6k\]: isnt the purpose of a handi game to create weak w groups?
Suramasa [4d\]: i've always been interested in seeing how players strong as around 4d
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;W[ql]C[DomDaniel [1d\]: b ahead? :D
Suramasa [4d\]: take handi cap
Suramasa [4d\]: and lose
Suramasa [4d\]: it seems so hard
JoostvdPol [6k\]: all o4 acchieved was a stronger white group
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;B[qj]C[NorthWind [5k\]: this should be fun
lolmanever [1k\]: lol black is playing really passive
Suramasa [4d\]: not passive
gooooo [7k\]: submissive?
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;W[ol]C[sqcsacasa: scared?
Suramasa [4d\]: ...
Suramasa [4d\]: r10 is a common response
fdsfg: q7 q8 m5 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: r10 looks correct
Trumelunki [3d\]: no, black is playing good
N4KED [4d?\]: p4 will die...lol
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;B[ml]C[cjr [-\]: J17 too would be cute :)
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;B[pm]
;W[pl]C[Suramasa [4d\]: what do u mean cute
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;W[mk]C[JoostvdPol [6k\]: looks like w is going for the dragon of the month award
lolmanever [1k\]: time to put black tengen stone to use
sqcsacasa: lol
Suramasa [4d\]: :\]
gogonuts [5d\]: o11 first not so good choice in this area
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;B[ll]C[Hangovers [3k\]: is this the final round?
nidza92 [-\]: o11 is disaster
ChildishGo [2d\]: 5 stones is so much harder than 4
Suramasa [4d\]: ..
Suramasa [4d\]: - -
gogonuts [5d\]: b should bang ws head on the iron pillar instead of stearing him away
Suramasa [4d\]: well childish
Suramasa [4d\]: 2 stones much harder than 0.5 komi
lolmanever [1k\]: time for black to use teh TENGEN!
Suramasa [4d\]: :】
gogonuts [5d\]: m9
sqcsacasa: i never understood why b can't choose where to place handicap
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;W[ro]C[sqcsacasa: isnt the point to simulate passing?
noluck [-\]: 5 stones seems a bit too much between these two
Suramasa [4d\]: because then b can take all territory shimaris etc.
gogonuts [5d\]: we will see
lolmanever [1k\]: white trying to create some eye shape
Bankowy13 [2k\]: why 5 handi ? 
ChildishGo [2d\]: yes but 4 is still considered low handicap while after 5 it is considered pedagogical handicap, seems lots of handicap for a tournement.
Suramasa [4d\]: if like this at least w have chance
gogonuts [5d\]: i still give w good chances
JoostvdPol [6k\]: in chinese handi b can choose where to place the handi stones
sqcsacasa: oh really joost?
DomDaniel [1d\]: yes
NorthWind [5k\]: I think that's New Zealand rules sqc
lolmanever [1k\]: lol then i make 2 enclosures
gogonuts [5d\]: b didnt properly simplify the game
sqcsacasa: makes more sense tbh
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
bikle [5k\]: Yes Joost is right
Suramasa [4d\]: if i had 4 handi
Suramasa [4d\]: make ponnuki in centre
Suramasa [4d\]: defintiely
gav1 [3d\]: yup
gogonuts [5d\]: s5 before b gets to play r7
lolmanever [1k\]: gl using it
Suramasa [4d\]: don't worry
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;B[rm]C[lolmanever [1k\]: made ponnuki is only worth 29.5 points
lolmanever [1k\]: and not the 30 points
Smorchok [1k?\]: 4 san-san's :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very strong move
cjr [-\]: O4 feels like problem move
lolmanever [1k\]: 4 san-san is decent
cjr [-\]: but of course, w group not safe yet
lolmanever [1k\]: though a bit low
gogonuts [5d\]: good move
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
N4KED [4d?\]: s7 will die
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: s7 could already be the winning move
Goreon [2d\]: 5 hc seems so hopeless...
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;W[lk]C[zc3k [1k\]: N11
gogonuts [5d\]: its not
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
lolmanever [1k\]: another chance for black to use the tengen
slob [1k\]: w grup seems pretty safe 
gogonuts [5d\]: did you see the first "ice age"?
slob [1k\]: b isbt getting the thickness
sqcsacasa: any girls in the tourney, eurogo?
gogonuts [5d\]: an acorn can crack aglacier
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep
gav1 [3d\]: this is a tournament right? so why the h/c?
slob [1k\]: b got minimum influence from all this
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
NorthWind [5k\]: I don;t think that was a documentary gogo
xDragon [?\]: there needs to be a bot that answers the questions that get asked 50 time per transscribed game
gav1 [3d\]: w leaves to look at other games ^^
cjr [-\]: w wants to keep the option to follow up S5 at R4
xDragon [?\]: "why handi, whos playing, is there a stream, blah blah"
sqcsacasa: xDra, the bot is called eurogotv
lolmanever [1k\]: this is not a bot
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;B[kl]C[xDragon [?\]: its not a bot guest
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;W[li]C[kether [2d\]: eurogotv is newest version of AI 2.0
ZeroKun [-\]: not nice to call real people bots :D
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;B[lg]C[ZeroKun [-\]: D: even
slob [1k\]: b seems to have gained almost nothing
gogonuts [5d\]: m13 too direct
lolmanever [1k\]: white is not alive yet though
lolmanever [1k\]: black is trying too hard to kill this group
Suramasa [4d\]: im a bot
Suramasa [4d\]: lolman what are u saying b is trying too hard to kill
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am a bot wannebe
JoostvdPol [6k\]: time for w to start attacking now
gogonuts [5d\]: a simple way would have been b n16
Suramasa [4d\]: b doing very well
Suramasa [4d\]: this game looking very hard for white
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;W[mh]C[lolmanever [1k\]: handicap game is always hard for white
gogonuts [5d\]: looks ok to me
gav1 [3d\]: think w is fine
slob [1k\]: it looks bad for b
ChildishGo [2d\]: so far b got all the sente's w can only follow b
noluck [-\]: w have no choice but attack
cjr [-\]: ok to me too, b only had 23 moves to make a mistake after all
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;B[nf]C[sqcsacasa: b grand network, but where cash?
Suramasa [4d\]: coming.
gogonuts [5d\]: n14?
Suramasa [4d\]: inseong looks cold
Suramasa [4d\]: lul
slob [1k\]: p13?
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;W[ng]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nope
Smorchok [1k?\]: i guess b is trying to kill, not attack it is bad
Nefeste [4k\]: if o9 dies there is the cash
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
Farflame [2d\]: 5 stones is too much, w should be crushed
NorthWind [5k\]: November in north Europe not warm
ChildishGo [2d\]: w must be trying to find a way to play k11
Suramasa [4d\]: >_<
lolmanever [1k\]: november in cali is cold
ChildishGo [2d\]: maybe p11 can help
kether [2d\]: 5hc is a lot against 4d
Nefeste [4k\]: proper shape here for w is a must
cjr [-\]: P15 now, no need to make it more difficult than necessary
ChildishGo [2d\]: b p14 w p11 :)
cjr [-\]: P14 i mean
cjr [-\]: P11 is nothing, if w wants that stone he can have it :)
sqcsacasa: b must be thinking of strengthening J16
slob [1k\]: is b on kgs?
cjr [-\]: b must defend, otherwise right side position becomes broken
Farflame [2d\]: krabicka 5d
cjr [-\]: now, all stones are still working together
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;B[pg]C[slob [1k\]: q13 looks like a good idea
shin5: why w dosnt invade on left side
ChildishGo [2d\]: q13 look quiet passive though
NorthWind [5k\]: cos he's busy
sqcsacasa: q13 says "i have enough"
slob [1k\]: without q13 i think b is too weak to seriously threaten the w grup
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;W[of]C[cjr [-\]: I preferred P14
shin5: XD
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;B[og]
;W[mf]C[Nefeste [4k\]: n13 o15 o12
slob [1k\]: well its about settled now
praglon: 5 handi? I guess if b loses he will give up Go ...
xDragon [?\]: their bowls ahve to be opposite side or something
xDragon [?\]: ?
Nefeste [4k\]: m13 too weak for this
Smorchok [1k?\]: Looks like b too passive and too agressive sometimes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, the orginiser didnt want that Jan leaned on the bowl
slob [1k\]: b didnt make alot of profit
Smorchok [1k?\]: w has chances
Suramasa [4d\]: cut at r4 big later
gogonuts [5d\]: the micro is too close to the pc :-)
cjr [-\]: no need to give up go, I lost on 4 stones to Chang Hao and didn't give up go for that
ZeroKun [-\]: if two people are right handed both will be opposite :)
Gekirin [1d\]: if n13 o12 o15 l13 may..
ChildishGo [2d\]: problem is w doesn't have any choice except to follow b for now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: why gogonuts?
gogonuts [5d\]: its ok
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;B[mg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but you can hear the key presses :-)
ChildishGo [2d\]: I've been wondering about r8, was it truly a good atempts by w, I often see r10 in pro games?
JoostvdPol [6k\]: go to innovation =)
ZeroKun [-\]: do not pass go
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;B[nh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
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;W[kh]C[tulkas [3k?\]: /gives back 200$
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;B[kg]C[slob [1k\]: woa i thouth o12 was fine for w
ZeroKun [-\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: didnt think w would take the ponuki
cjr [-\]: me neither
Nefeste [4k\]: its a ko-ponnuki
mof [?\]: I think w is happy with a fight
ChildishGo [2d\]: but now w get to play k11?:)
NorthWind [5k\]: moves the fight to the west
slob [1k\]: maybe w is trying to get more points out of it
mof [?\]: even though it is easier for black when he can back track a little
schwiggity [7k\]: j12?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
slob [1k\]: o12 would probably have been safer choice for w
cjr [-\]: but an interesting sequence after w O12 is b o15, w m14, b m12?
OsoAgonar [3d\]: 5 stones? what the...?
ChildishGo [2d\]: what I dont understand is there is only 376 rating difference?
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;W[jg]C[kether [2d\]: 376 is much
cjr [-\]: hcap based on tourney results (macmahon score)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thats the nice thing from this tournament; with these handicaps anybody can win the 1000 euro
entropi [4k\]: b o15 w m14 does not work, black escapes
cjr [-\]: comment on game instead :)
slob [1k\]: i would have gone o12 o14 p15 p16 o16 n15 m14 l13 etc
AerinDad [1k\]: are yunzi popular in germany?
sqcsacasa: yunzi forbidden, strict xxx laws in germany
Smorchok [1k?\]: oh, thats look very good for w 
kether [2d\]: what is yunzi?
gogonuts [5d\]: what i like best is these outragously  high handicap games were w really applies himself
tulkas [3k?\]: Yunzi are a type of go stone.
gogonuts [5d\]: its the best part about the tournament imo
slob [1k\]: what kind of threats will w play
ChildishGo [2d\]: r7
ChildishGo [2d\]: seems a good start maybe?
kether [2d\]: thx tulkas
praglon: but you have to admit all the psychological pressure is on the one receiving the high handi
JoostvdPol [6k\]: r7, r6,s6 isnt that good for w anyways?
slob [1k\]: yea i think o15 is a nice example of w pushing hard
cjr [-\]: b has m15 in that variation slob
Suramasa [4d\]: is inseong looking at another board?
slob [1k\]: yea what about m15
Suramasa [4d\]: thats so mean ):
slob [1k\]: w gets thick with the semedori
gogonuts [5d\]: inseong prob looking how seok-bin is doing
slob [1k\]: and has b group disconnected to chase
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: so he knows how well he has to do himself :-)
Suramasa [4d\]: still.. feels a bit disrespectful to opponent dont u think gogo?
nidza92 [-\]: no its not
Farflame [2d\]: completely ok
gogonuts [5d\]: thats a plus :-)
Suramasa [4d\]: eh maybe i have different customs ^ ^;
Nefeste [4k\]: m15 - intention to eat o17?..
NorthWind [5k\]: players always wander at otb tourneys. need to stretch the legs
entropi [4k\]: why disrespectful, it is not even his turn
gogonuts [5d\]: if b is annoyed, his hand might reach out to an overplay
ogolony [-\]: l11 ?
Suramasa [4d\]: maybe thats w's plan
Suramasa [4d\]: :\]
Suramasa [4d\]: j
gogonuts [5d\]: but i dont think in-seong is trying to provoke him
slob [1k\]: i think b must win ko to save the m13 stones
Nefeste [4k\]: l11 l14
pak10 [7k\]: K12
ChildishGo [2d\]: should be ko now I think
Farflame [2d\]: maybe you are not from Europe, Sura :-)
Suramasa [4d\]: im not
Nefeste [4k\]: k12 l14 probably )
Suramasa [4d\]: sorry if i offend anyone..
Farflame [2d\]: not at all
DomDaniel [1d\]: :))
Suramasa [4d\]: >_<
pak10 [7k\]: l14 maybe passive...i think
Nefeste [4k\]: sure
slob [1k\]: l14 does not gain libs
gogonuts [5d\]: k14 imo
Nefeste [4k\]: k12 or o14 for b..
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;B[jf]C[slob [1k\]: w can cut l14 tho
gogonuts [5d\]: in his opinion too :-)
slob [1k\]: its still ko
Suramasa [4d\]: hane!
ChildishGo [2d\]: w must defend first
Nefeste [4k\]: k12
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;W[qm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: w has an airhole now, so he takes profit first
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
slob [1k\]: hm ok
Nefeste [4k\]: its cool
N4KED [4d?\]: yeah white will wait I think for the ko
ChildishGo [2d\]: but now k12 is b sente?
praglon: b cannot allow r4
Suramasa [4d\]: why not
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;B[jh]C[slob [1k\]: i guess b could go k12 and rool back with l11. w must want to prevent that
Nefeste [4k\]: oh
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;W[ig]C[sqcsacasa: tenuki always good
Suramasa [4d\]: w cannot let b get ponnuki
Suramasa [4d\]: :\]
gogonuts [5d\]: L11
praglon: ok, b shows fighting spirit
slob [1k\]: b l11 seems to work fine
gogonuts [5d\]: dont chicken out now, b
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
Suramasa [4d\]: chicken the best
ChildishGo [2d\]: j14 first?
slob [1k\]: w will cut at r4 tho
]
;B[ke]C[bibifocZEN [?\]: why 5 stones handi because is 7d-4d ?
Bruno [1d\]: M 15
gogonuts [5d\]: not good
slob [1k\]: w can just cut r4 any time
NorthWind [5k\]: poor chickens, always get bad press
N4KED [4d?\]: Why not l11?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats letting go of the tigers tail
ChildishGo [2d\]: L15 sorta look bad now w get double sente
iHug [1d\]: because handicap is not determined by rank, but score in the tournament
cjr [-\]: double sente?
Suramasa [4d\]: hmm..
]
;W[jd]C[bibifocZEN [?\]: oh thx ihg
ChildishGo [2d\]: k11, j11
Bruno [1d\]: j 14 
praglon: b shape problem
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
NorthWind [5k\]: I would be itching to play r4
praglon: w m15 will be a nuisance
cjr [-\]: o15 worked very well
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;B[if]C[largehc [2k\]: j15
sqcsacasa: b gained a lot in the whole exchange
sqcsacasa: w  contained
slob [1k\]: the exchange isnt over
gogonuts [5d\]: r4
slob [1k\]: w gets the wole lower right corner
ChildishGo [2d\]: w cannot allow L11 can he?
snowman [-\]: r4 looks biggish, i wonder who will get it first
gogonuts [5d\]: but forcing b to capture J13 isnt so attractive either
ZeroKun [-\]: interesting idea for a system, how does it handle resignations?
Nefeste [4k\]: so k11 than r4?
ChildishGo [2d\]: otherwise b wall complete in center and r4 gote for w
gogonuts [5d\]: resign = -40
Suramasa [4d\]: ):
cjr [-\]: resignation is 100-0
snowman [-\]: j17 looks necessary too
gogonuts [5d\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: same
ZeroKun [-\]: ok neat
gogonuts [5d\]: im meant points
entropi [4k\]: why are there so few top players in this tournament?
lilL [?\]: expand the territory..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: afraid to lose
ZeroKun [-\]: i sorta like this system
DomDaniel [1d\]: because it's crazy
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;W[ji]
;B[ih]
;W[hg]
;B[ii]C[oneiross: because they don't like this sytem
]
;W[ki]C[Schnuller: its not crazy, its different
entropi [4k\]: what is wrong with system?
]
;B[hf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: heavy w play
oneiross: it sucks
Farflame [2d\]: attractive
OsoAgonar [3d\]: sucks
cjr [-\]: maybe the fact that it has less weight in Euro ratings is important too
sqcsacasa: w behind more and more
liyue [7d?\]: i never got to understand this system, maybe should try next year
Nefeste [4k\]: j10?
N4KED [4d?\]: Inseong will win!
Schnuller: good argument oso
slob [1k\]: i never even heard of this system before
largehc [2k\]: j10
gooooo [7k\]: how does the system work?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: liyue if you come next year i will come too
iHug [1d\]: yue just win all your games and you have nothing to worry about
NorthWind [5k\]: W j10 breaks out ?
OsoAgonar [3d\]: thanks schnuller, i am a great speaker
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;W[gg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: who wins all games gets the jackpot
OsoAgonar [3d\]: just win all your games? how the hell can you win with this absurd handicap?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: even if you ar 30k
DomDaniel [1d\]: how much is it?
liyue [7d?\]: that's nice Harry, but i am not there this year and you are still there :p
ChildishGo [2d\]: 30k get 50 stones?:)
Nefeste [4k\]: w collecting black's problems..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
entropi [4k\]: we want to see top amateurs ilya, artem, cristian, csaba, etc
Schnuller: "it sucks" seems to be the only argument in contra hahn system
Farflame [2d\]: good system for at least 234 watchers
praglon: really? a 30k can win tourney?
Suramasa [4d\]: sandbagging obviously
sqcsacasa: win jackpot
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
OsoAgonar [3d\]: i am one of those watchers
erna [6k\]: Sorry, just arrived. Does the players have kgs-nicks?
OsoAgonar [3d\]: and i hate the system...
gogonuts [5d\]: w doing ok - if the whole game is an inconclusive hunt ow w stones w might win on points, or b could overdo it somewhere and get captured himself
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not the tournament but there is a special price for who wins all games
OsoAgonar [3d\]: but i like to see in-seong playing
JoostvdPol [6k\]: w is crowis
slob [1k\]: so.. b is krabicka 5d on kgs?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
erna [6k\]: thx!
Schnuller: i think hahn system is simply different, but there are so many many blockheads in this world, following the one-and-only real thing approach
atomix [1d\]: seem like a contest for the most underrated player...
Suramasa [4d\]: o:
oneiross: +1 atomix
OsoAgonar [3d\]: yes
OsoAgonar [3d\]: seems so
cjr [-\]: who is Seok-Bin playing?
Suramasa [4d\]: its 2:03 am
Suramasa [4d\]: ..
DomDaniel [1d\]: savolainen
mistborn [?\]: seems like great opportunity to have tough games
Lacrimosa [2d?\]: aww i wanted to see
Suramasa [4d\]: why did i open this game
Suramasa [4d\]: now i can't stop watching
Suramasa [4d\]: ):
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Tannix [2d\]: :)
praglon: same here :)
Suramasa [4d\]: Dx
Suramasa [4d\]: A
liyue [7d?\]: same here..
slob [1k\]: w is good against handis
woidler [9k\]: don't worry.. it will be over in a couple of hours, Suramasa
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: J10 is a good b move
DomDaniel [1d\]: then eight round starts later
Suramasa [4d\]: thanks, that really unstresses me :\]
Nefeste [4k\]: they both still have 75 mins main time.. ohh
gogonuts [5d\]: after J10 b has another safety valve at n11
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;B[kk]C[aksak [5k\]: b L10
Suramasa [4d\]: wow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
slob [1k\]: w only has one safety valve
Suramasa [4d\]: otu of all moves i didn't expect l9
ChildishGo [2d\]: guess w need r4 now
gogonuts [5d\]: w J10
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;W[ij]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]C[oneiross: i would cut at J10
gogonuts [5d\]: had to
oneiross: oh he did too
ChildishGo [2d\]: yes but w must live soon anyway
Suramasa [4d\]: oneiross is obviously 7d korea
cjr [-\]: game is on now :)
Suramasa [4d\]: XD
gogonuts [5d\]: helps against b m10
]
;B[hi]C[sqcsacasa: doesn't
ChildishGo [2d\]: strangely P4 starting to look weaker
slob [1k\]: g13 is too weak tho since w probably has to r4
gogonuts [5d\]: helps half way :-)
oneiross: well, on KGS game I would have cut at J10, but in a serious tournament game I would have taken time to think if it was not safer to live in the corener firs
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;W[qp]C[Suramasa [4d\]: woot
NorthWind [5k\]: yessss
]
;B[lo]C[Nefeste [4k\]: i bet b didn't see that move )
gogonuts [5d\]: w got his life and a reasonable amount of aji on the outside
Raiden [5k?\]: Damn... It's 5am in the morning... So tired..
cjr [-\]: and still potential black targets outside
Nefeste [4k\]: on the board it looked different or stones moved a little from crosspoints..
woidler [9k\]: isn't pushing from behind considered bad? B seems to be doing it all the time
Raiden [5k?\]: I'm dreaming of go....
Raiden [5k?\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: 5 am hurts
Raiden [5k?\]: I better go for a run soon and work out, get back to a game.
NorthWind [5k\]: W f3 or so would be nice
Nefeste [4k\]: i like pushing from behind
sqcsacasa: lol
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
sqcsacasa: not in go!
Nefeste [4k\]: its kinda my favourite technique
Suramasa [4d\]: sq is being naughty
ChildishGo [2d\]: w must make something of j9 or g13
ChildishGo [2d\]: maybe time for j17
JoostvdPol [6k\]: j17 looks big
badaji1 [1k\]: I love this tournament settings, makes the 7D work really hard
entropi [4k\]: agree
ChildishGo [2d\]: problem is j17 seem help b
gogonuts [5d\]: L5 i guess
badaji1 [1k\]: even game no thrill
slob [1k\]: w needs to really tighten the screws on m5 group
ChildishGo [2d\]: if L5 why not J7 first?
sqcsacasa: w too many weak groups
fdsfg: j3 j6 seems a fair trade?
gogonuts [5d\]: J7 is bad
gogonuts [5d\]: make b play L4
N4KED [4d?\]: j14 group is extremly weak
slob [1k\]: g13 group does not really matter atm
gogonuts [5d\]: and w has h9 in need
Suramasa [4d\]: don't think running out j9 directly is good
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;W[gf]C[N4KED [4d?\]: oh yeah it can connect back though
slob [1k\]: hum
Schnuller: evengame no thrill? well, maybe the thrill is not so obvious for the spectators
snowman [-\]: white is catching up fast
gogonuts [5d\]: g14 is an extremely important shape point
gogonuts [5d\]: but i didnt think he would play it
JoostvdPol [6k\]: thats why youre not 7d yet ;)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is a 1000 euro move lol
slob [1k\]: i thought that m5 group was important to threaten
gogonuts [5d\]: because b cant really be attacked
gogonuts [5d\]: b J4
Farflame [2d\]: L4?
slob [1k\]: maybe w is going to get back around to it with some kinda neato indirect approach
gogonuts [5d\]: sry, meant L4
Nefeste [4k\]: w is 9d probably
Suramasa [4d\]: Tx eurogo btw for broadcasting =\]
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;B[mi]C[akarinogo [6k?\]: o11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you are welcome Suramasa
slob [1k\]: ok. this looks nice for w
Farflame [2d\]: b could have saved this for later?
]
;W[kj]
;B[jk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
slob [1k\]: b is submissive playing at n11
gogonuts [5d\]: that show w has no intention of attacking the top
mof [?\]: m12 <:)
TAPJoshua [2k\]: that's...not a good play from white
Suramasa [4d\]: what do u mean tap
gogonuts [5d\]: well, b was very strong at the top anyways
TAPJoshua [2k\]: L10
Suramasa [4d\]: hes protecting m10 cut in sente
Suramasa [4d\]: :O
gogonuts [5d\]: so g14 wasnt an attack, it was a foothold in the center
TAPJoshua [2k\]: sente?
]
;W[il]C[oneiross: l10 was sente too
oneiross: *m10
Suramasa [4d\]: how
gogonuts [5d\]: no, m10 was gote
Suramasa [4d\]: theres ko
Suramasa [4d\]: no way w can win
gogonuts [5d\]: thats why w played the ugly L10
gogonuts [5d\]: b starting to look a little weak below :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k6 now?
chimbba [2k\]: e12
slob [1k\]: l10 wasnt ugly
]
;B[fj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: L4 was better imo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k5!
Schnuller: f10 is bold
Suramasa [4d\]: kill n5 :D
Suramasa [4d\]: XD
entropi [4k\]: k5
BigPlunder [2k\]: the dancing one again ;-)
NorthWind [5k\]: m5 seems in big danger
Suramasa [4d\]: nah m5 can't die
Suramasa [4d\]: isn't in danger
TAPJoshua [2k\]: why would you play L10 when you could play M10?
gogonuts [5d\]: but m10 indirectly weakens J8, so its palyable
largehc [2k\]: this looks kinda awful for w
sqcsacasa: m5 no problem,  can tenuki again
Suramasa [4d\]: because l10 is sente?
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
slob [1k\]: k5 j7 
donGoku [3k\]: e15
gogonuts [5d\]: J6?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: how is l10 sente
Suramasa [4d\]: l10 k9 
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;W[eg]C[Suramasa [4d\]: B has to connect?
slob [1k\]: i think that w is too thin to capture b group at m5
gogonuts [5d\]: makes sense
KoReNJe [3d\]: j5
Suramasa [4d\]: u.u
gogonuts [5d\]: b had a cut there
TAPJoshua [2k\]: then w j8
sqcsacasa: L4 beckons
gogonuts [5d\]: but ws patience is impressive
]
;B[ch]C[N4KED [4d?\]: I tried to add the rss feed for the photo section and didnt seem to take it
]
;W[ei]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not?
Manulski [6k\]: sorry for that question if it had been answered already but why is it 5 stones handi? only 300 points difference...
TAPJoshua [2k\]: and black get's M12 as sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls email me about it!
N4KED [4d?\]: oh okay
entropi [4k\]: sabakieren Sie bitte
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;B[gl]C[Farflame [2d\]: because of previous tournament results
Koffein [-\]: das heißt "shinogieren" ;-)
slob [1k\]: w attack h10 grups and it threaten b m5 grup on automatical reactions
Manulski [6k\]: ibokinieren
sqcsacasa: not
gogonuts [5d\]: h7 maybe? tough for w
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i doubt the l10 sente is worth more than black m12 sente
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;W[hm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now b is impolitelyx going to the toilett :-)
Suramasa [4d\]: m12 sente isn't worth anything
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Suramasa [4d\]: gogo nice prediction ;\]
TAPJoshua [2k\]: isn't worth anything?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: really now
mof [?\]: w simply has to stop the connection TAP
gogonuts [5d\]: H7 or toilett?
mof [?\]: if not, then black has no problems left
slob [1k\]: i don think its worth anything also
NorthWind [5k\]: if j8 dies B has easy game
largehc [2k\]: j5
Nefeste [4k\]: e8 b's style )
snowman [-\]: bloody ads
Fassal [7k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
entropi [4k\]: w cannot let j8 die
badaji1 [1k\]: D10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i fooled your adblocker there!
oneiross: this ad was useless, I am already registered to the congress anyways
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: good!
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;B[fn]C[Suramasa [4d\]: lol
slob [1k\]: woah
entropi [4k\]: now k5?
Suramasa [4d\]: yar
Farflame [2d\]: yeah k5
ChildishGo [2d\]: L6 xD
gogonuts [5d\]: uh oh
praglon: let us hope b is aware his m5 group is not 100% safe also
gogonuts [5d\]: f6 is from the dangerous side
akarinogo [6k?\]: h4 
gogonuts [5d\]: w will now be the attacker
slob [1k\]: now w can take his time and read 
bloodarena [7d\]: p4 grp  is alive
gogonuts [5d\]: he must
slob [1k\]: this will have a good result for w
gogonuts [5d\]: it his chance
bloodarena [7d\]: r5 r6 o8 all sente
bloodarena [7d\]: b cant die
sqcsacasa: it feels like b has kept sente all along
slob [1k\]: if w get strong in sente is all he can get it will be a good result
ChildishGo [2d\]: can't w o7?
bloodarena [7d\]: when
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;W[gn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: all i can see is h5 - not so inspired
gogonuts [5d\]: ah
NorthWind [5k\]: blood, is that because B has many sente plays there ?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats more inspired :-)
ChildishGo [2d\]: well I guess w can't find the time maybe after w is strong enough on the left
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
bloodarena [7d\]: yeah the grp is like half alive
gogonuts [5d\]: a test of bs nerves, allways a good idea :-)
akarinogo [6k?\]: 5 handi seems to much
OsoAgonar [3d\]: eurogotv
OsoAgonar [3d\]: the time?
gogonuts [5d\]: by their rating it should be 3.5 stones
gogonuts [5d\]:  whas his hands full :-)
bloodarena [7d\]: how does the rating work?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: white seems to do well though
sqcsacasa: w struggling
gogonuts [5d\]: they come in with their euro rating
gogonuts [5d\]: that gets modified during the tournament
bloodarena [7d\]: yeah i mean, how doesn the euro rating works
TAPJoshua [2k\]: always trying to struggle in a 5-stone handi
bloodarena [7d\]: like how they get up to 2400 or 2700
noluck [-\]: w only used 15 minutes?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 30
bloodarena [7d\]: so 2400 means 4d ish?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they had 75 min today
Koffein [-\]: 2400+-50=4d
gogonuts [5d\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/EGF_rating_system.php#System
bloodarena [7d\]: 2700means 7d?
praglon: yes
sqcsacasa: tell b to hurry, im hungry
TAPJoshua [2k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
TAPJoshua [2k\]: he'd say something like "then starve" :P
sqcsacasa: :(
NorthWind [5k\]: order a take-away
sqcsacasa: what time is it in europe?
oneiross: 11:30
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 11.29 am
gogonuts [5d\]: 11:30
NorthWind [5k\]: 10:30 AM
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 29
MatchFree [-\]: 11.29
noluck [-\]: oh?
Manulski [6k\]: did anybody ever get 2800 rating? or 2900?
Chezzy [2d\]: １３＾３０
sqcsacasa: oh so lunch break soon anyway
cjr [-\]: no lunch break in the game i hope?
gogonuts [5d\]: they wont make a break
sqcsacasa: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: fan hui has opver 2800
Suramasa [4d\]: isn't fan hui 2p
Nefeste [4k\]: and whos over 9000?
bloodarena [7d\]: so, what if a new guy just started playing in ratings, then what his rank shd be?
slob [1k\]: does your rating just kep going up if yu win all the time?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: goku
Nykyinen [3k\]: : DD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 100
oneiross: fan hui has 2810 right now
TAPJoshua [2k\]: impressive.
Nefeste [4k\]: how many times i need to beat fan hui to get 9000?..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: knowing the rules = 50 i believe
Manulski [6k\]: since its like ELO in chess...yes, if you win your rating keeps increasing
TAPJoshua [2k\]: over 9000 times
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;B[fm]C[Koffein [-\]: you can´t drop below 100 ..
slob [1k\]: dont you get a provisional rating when you just start out?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: ...
TAPJoshua [2k\]: F7...
sqcsacasa: tbh i doubt many players *really* know the rules
gogonuts [5d\]: you do
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
sqcsacasa: i know i dont, and i'm dan
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: true!
Jazzman [1d\]: Jasiek does
slob [1k\]: so if your really a good player and you have 100 rating you will go up faster than normal maybe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hahahaha
bloodarena [7d\]: by rules means" b plays first"
MatchFree [-\]: but you can start anywhere on the ladder... just give your level on your first tournement
cjr [-\]: so, black middle group?
cjr [-\]: how weak is it...
gogonuts [5d\]: L5 the best w has imo
akarinogo [6k?\]: b solid... 
JoostvdPol [6k\]: you cant just say youre a danplayer right?
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;W[ko]
;B[kn]C[mof [?\]: w's connection should be gote
]
;W[jo]
;B[nl]C[mof [?\]: and in that case black should live
]
;W[oj]C[mof [?\]: but who knows
]
;B[qo]
;W[rp]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: R5 R6
]
;B[qn]C[bloodarena [7d\]: so imagine bloodarena says he is 1k when he first goes to euro tournament
entropi [4k\]: Jasiek interprets the rules
MatchFree [-\]: Joost depends in which country you are
JoostvdPol [6k\]: never knew that
slob [1k\]: it makes u a sandbagger
gogonuts [5d\]: jasiek is a rule virtuoso
JoostvdPol [6k\]: thought you had to show some kind of results first
MatchFree [-\]: then you'll get a rating of 2000 and win all your games..
Nefeste [4k\]: w doubts is r6 really b's sente..
cjr [-\]: b making a small thread at P9 now also
shakti [-\]: in sweden you would be 2kyu from the beginning
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only in the Netherlands Joost
cjr [-\]: if w submits
slob [1k\]: is w thinking about a semeai?
JoostvdPol [6k\]: ah that explains a lot
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rest of Europe uses the ratinglist
Schnuller: nice, bad aji for w at p9!
gogonuts [5d\]: oh
gogonuts [5d\]: p10 was a mistake
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;W[rn]C[TsuQ [4k?\]: well.. this threatens to connect out if b plays at s6 yes?
gogonuts [5d\]: p10 had to be at p9
cjr [-\]: yes, think so too
mof [?\]: ez lajf
gogonuts [5d\]: w cant afford a mistake like that
largehc [2k\]: nice, even p7 is sente
slob [1k\]: dang. maybe w lost the game
robol: Yes B live in sente?
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;B[om]C[ChildishGo [2d\]: w won't mind losing L11 can;t take gote here
noluck [-\]: s9 ?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: black sente
cjr [-\]: well, he loses 8 stones... so not small at all
gogonuts [5d\]: if w tenukis b has p9
cjr [-\]: or 9
Schnuller: losing o9 too
slob [1k\]: well w can go s9
sqcsacasa: way too big
chimbba [2k\]: big mistake
gogonuts [5d\]: must play s9
akarinogo [6k?\]: C6
gogonuts [5d\]: but its terrible
gogonuts [5d\]: he absolutely needed sente
praglon: surprising type of oversight, considering w strenght
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;W[ef]C[Schnuller: p10 looked so natural...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
reprisal [3d\]: looks pretty bad for w...nothing left to attack and b is clearly ahead
largehc [2k\]: lol
chimbba [2k\]: what
gogonuts [5d\]: and p9 left over
TsuQ [4k?\]: I don't quite understand this.
Podiceps [6k\]: how is it again the handi is determined?
gogonuts [5d\]: w preparing to take gote at s9 :-)
gav1 [3d\]: s8 s9 s8
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;B[ce]C[TsuQ [4k?\]: there is no attack on j14 that I can see..
sqcsacasa: just tenuki and hope for the best---good handicap stretegy
gav1 [3d\]: s8 s8 s8
akarinogo [6k?\]: by extend j16 b can spleet w group
reprisal [3d\]: this exchange is also defensive
reprisal [3d\]: not good at all
zatsu [1d\]: s8 for b later
TAPJoshua [2k\]: s8 takes so many...
slob [1k\]: poor w. he cant even resign
reprisal [3d\]: yeah awful position to be in
MatchFree [-\]: p9 better then S8..
cjr [-\]: d15 better than c15?
JoostvdPol [6k\]: cant resign?
reprisal [3d\]: just have to suck it up and lose by 20
Nefeste [4k\]: b didn't loss something really bigg.. so
slob [1k\]: c15 is b feels so confident
gav1 [3d\]: i ment for b
sqcsacasa: can jan prokop still win (since board 1)?
slob [1k\]: b say haha
gogonuts [5d\]: this has a real chance of losing 40+ now
Nefeste [4k\]: b leading now still. lets see next 100 moves
NorthWind [5k\]: W g4 good kyu move :)
ChildishGo [2d\]: w need two moves :)
TsuQ [4k?\]: I think three would be better though..
Nefeste [4k\]: f3 nice kyu move too
polpol: how is seokbin doing? 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will check
slob [1k\]: maybe w should try r17
ChildishGo [2d\]: j17 s9
sqcsacasa: can prokop still win ?
praglon: w uphill battle from now on
GoShinobi [-\]: who is the oppenent of seo-bin ? 
reprisal [3d\]: the thing with a move like r17 is
reprisal [3d\]: even if you live
slob [1k\]: or r15 or something
reprisal [3d\]: you dont really gain much
slob [1k\]: anything to try and make s9 sente
reprisal [3d\]: b doesnt have to try and kill it really
TsuQ [4k?\]: r17 is only mediocre if black answers by connecting s7
reprisal [3d\]: cant connect s7
TsuQ [4k?\]: since there will then be no attack yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is doing ok
reprisal [3d\]: that would be very nice but not possible
entropi [4k\]: isn't s8 a game over move?
gogonuts [5d\]: w contemplating resignation
TAPJoshua [2k\]: if black plays p9 that'd be solid profit in gote
onelove [7d\]: p9 is like 25 pts?
TsuQ [4k?\]: I mean by playing at p9
polpol: so still game with cho?
TsuQ [4k?\]: even if w doesn't take its the same idea
gogonuts [5d\]: w must be going through spasms of self-hatred: no wonder i dindt make por if i play a move like p10
cjr [-\]: heh
reprisal [3d\]: yes not easy
reprisal [3d\]: go is an unforgiving game
Nefeste [4k\]: w need j17 or smth unfortunately
reprisal [3d\]: no luck to blame, just yourself and your incompetence
slob [1k\]: r15
mof [?\]: it is a bit strange, not a difficult choice there
TsuQ [4k?\]: w trying to find a move that may not be on the board
TAPJoshua [2k\]: p9 is 27 points
Smorchok [1k?\]: m10 sente defending?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: spasms of self-hatred, has to add that to my active dictionary
sqcsacasa: solid
cjr [-\]: did you include w sente endgame?
reprisal [3d\]: 27 seems unlikely
akarinogo [6k?\]: 5 handi again 4d .. 
cjr [-\]: t11 etc?
reprisal [3d\]: since it only eats 9 stones
Manulski [6k\]: P9 is around 25
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i counted also the local region, ill factor that in as well now
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;W[rk]C[Manulski [6k\]: so 27 is not unlikely
TAPJoshua [2k\]: only*
entropi [4k\]: only 9 stones?
entropi [4k\]: only?
cjr [-\]: :-)
reprisal [3d\]: yes....
Manulski [6k\]: 18 points
reprisal [3d\]: 9 stones = 18 points
reprisal [3d\]: minus the w endgame
Manulski [6k\]: plus the other empty fields
TAPJoshua [2k\]: 10 actually
entropi [4k\]: but no compensation
reprisal [3d\]: yesk, you get to add 3 points
onelove [7d\]: 9 stones
reprisal [3d\]: but w at s9 is worth a lot too
onelove [7d\]: cuz n12 is dead
reprisal [3d\]: so it is nowhere near 25
Koukkaaja [3d\]: those stones around 1000 €
cjr [-\]: at least, b thought it was the biggest move :)
TAPJoshua [2k\]: 1000 euro?
cjr [-\]: w
slob [1k\]: well. w played s9 now. maybe there is some thing later on w can do
onelove [7d\]: the pts aroud p9 area is actually 27
onelove [7d\]: but white would have t11 if he got s8
onelove [7d\]: so thats -2 pts
TsuQ [4k?\]: is s10 b's sente?
ogolony [-\]: p17 
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;B[lj]C[onelove [7d\]: so there is 25left
Schnuller: j17 now
cjr [-\]: why -2p onelove?
Schnuller: j17 now
nidza92 [-\]: not sente
sqcsacasa: wth
sqcsacasa: so small
]
;W[dj]C[Schnuller: .
cjr [-\]: especially considering s9 + s11?
onelove [7d\]: play normally is s9 s10 t10 sequence
NorthWind [5k\]: ooh
onelove [7d\]: if b has s8 then he could play t11
]
;B[fq]C[onelove [7d\]: which reduces 2 more pts from b
Nickless [-\]: can anyone send me a tournament table ?
onelove [7d\]: so thats -2pt
cjr [-\]: yes, i guess with monkey jump you are right...
cjr [-\]: but with s9 s11 difference is bigger
snowman [-\]: http://inno.spiel-go.de/results.en.html
Nickless [-\]: thx
sqcsacasa: why m10?
ChildishGo [2d\]: if only w could make top fully alive 
Schnuller: why m10?
cjr [-\]: but m10 just silly...
GoShinobi [-\]: its small
reprisal [3d\]: its scared
TAPJoshua [2k\]: m10 is too small
reprisal [3d\]: scared because of the thin looking shape on the right
bartosz [-\]: why handicap 5 instead of 3?
sqcsacasa: maybe b just cinfident in win
cjr [-\]: well, had 1 stone captured already
cjr [-\]: just j17 in that case?
tulkas [3k?\]: Standing in tournament determines handicap, not rating.
gogonuts [5d\]: now w has something to play for again
cjr [-\]: J17 much bigger
bartosz [-\]: thanks
sqcsacasa: if b lose, m10 losing move for sure
]
;W[bp]C[iHug [1d\]: a lot of losing moves
cjr [-\]: and if b wins, m10 point losing move with this system :)
Manulski [6k\]: depends ;-)
reprisal [3d\]: still a long way from b losing
JoostvdPol [6k\]: if w loses its cuz of p10
praglon: not anymore, because b answered m10
ChildishGo [2d\]: if w lose it's r8 I would say :)
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, but w has reasonable hope of losing under 20
cjr [-\]: let's just hope b is not planning another move to capture 5 stones in the middle :)
axeon [?\]: why doesn' b m12?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: because that's small
TsuQ [4k?\]: j6 coming up?
sqcsacasa: maybe b planning monster ponnuki in the center :)
]
;B[cq]C[TsuQ [4k?\]: =P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Seok-Bin lost with 23 to assu (H5)
gogonuts [5d\]: because its captured :-)
DomDaniel [1d\]: not bad :D
polpol: oh 
GoShinobi [-\]: wow
GoShinobi [-\]: strong
polpol: not bad not bad
polpol: they were fast
GoShinobi [-\]: assu is really good
reprisal [3d\]: h5, tooooo much'
sqcsacasa: what a naughty nickname, assu
akarinogo [6k?\]: handi 5 only again pro
gogonuts [5d\]: so losing by 20 is now in-seongs goal :-)
akarinogo [6k?\]: H 5 in blitz should ok
kamistar [16k?\]: oh shiny
reprisal [3d\]: 20 seems obtainable here definitely
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;W[cl]C[sqcsacasa: 20 as it stands now
Koukkaaja [3d\]: actually the players should not see the other tables results in Hahn?
sqcsacasa: and w better endgame for sure
]
;B[bj]C[reprisal [3d\]: strange tourney :)
TsuQ [4k?\]: oh... w group under some attack...
mistborn [?\]: actually very interesting format
sqcsacasa: j17 begging to be played
JoostvdPol [6k\]: j17 starting to look big
]
;W[bk]
;B[cj]
;W[dk]
;B[ec]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: b might win
reprisal [3d\]: i'd sure hope he wins from here
gogonuts [5d\]: J17?
GoShinobi [-\]: go in-seong !
KoReNJe [3d\]: he need proper sequence to win
]
;W[pb]C[TsuQ [4k?\]: now... its difficult to connect even
]
;B[qc]C[GoShinobi [-\]: h3 is quite big 
gogonuts [5d\]: better b j17
KoReNJe [3d\]: m12 is huge from this point
gogonuts [5d\]: now w got q18 and has j17 next
praglon: m12 not huge
praglon: just 10 p
KoReNJe [3d\]: it's 12 points
TsuQ [4k?\]: if w j17 b g16 cut?
reprisal [3d\]: b has failed to get any of the big points so far
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: hi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi
cjr [-\]: but b still wins
Trumelunki [3d\]: e17 is a big point, black got it
cjr [-\]: probably
KoReNJe [3d\]: w thinking about j17
sqcsacasa: j17 r18 miauw
gogonuts [5d\]: b got enough
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i don't understand why black played M10 and not P9 if he wanted it
gogonuts [5d\]: e17 was big btw
axeon [?\]: j3?
cjr [-\]: J3 big too
Suramasa [4d\]: H3 big
KoReNJe [3d\]: j3 kyu move
gogonuts [5d\]: h3 or J17 - were are the points
gogonuts [5d\]: in-seong will show us
Suramasa [4d\]: wow they both look so big
Suramasa [4d\]: i think h3 bigger imo
reprisal [3d\]: but if b gets j17 w has to defend the whole dragon
Manulski [6k\]: wheres the difference between J3 and H3?
KoReNJe [3d\]: n10 bigger than h3, but not bigger than j17
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: hey are those rating besides the [7d\]?
ChildishGo [2d\]: F5 possible too for w?
KoReNJe [3d\]: w must do some attack/defensive move
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: niiccce FINALLY ELO
ChildishGo [2d\]: to seal bottom?
Tien [9d\]: Sorry, not ELO :)
Suramasa [4d\]: ELO?
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: then what
gogonuts [5d\]: J17 would be my choice
Tien [9d\]: GoR
Suramasa [4d\]: o_o
Tien [9d\]: That is, Go Rating
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: big is better though right? that's all that matters
Suramasa [4d\]: a
Farflame [2d\]: h3 
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, bigger is better :-)
Schnuller: j17 f18
Excalibor [?\]: h3 looks biiig
Suramasa [4d\]: j17 isn't small, but i think h3 bigger
Suramasa [4d\]: but i think b only needs one of them to win
Manulski [6k\]: okay, again: why is H3 bigger than J3?
Suramasa [4d\]: h3 is one point wider?
Suramasa [4d\]: = more territroy
TAPJoshua [2k\]: and better followup
Tien [9d\]: Manulski, h3 is bigger for white than j3, and j3 is bigger for black than h3
Manulski [6k\]: lol
Excalibor [?\]: h3 "forces" b b2 in a way
Manulski [6k\]: I was thinking for black moves :-)
Manulski [6k\]: sorry :-)
Tien [9d\]: For black, j3 is bigger
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;W[fb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
Tien [9d\]: Extending further is generally bigger
gogonuts [5d\]: impressive greed :-)
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
Manulski [6k\]: J17?
]
;B[ic]C[Manulski [6k\]: for black?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: this smells handicap move
gogonuts [5d\]: begging for b J17
ChildishGo [2d\]: w c17
KoReNJe [3d\]: dieeeee
Excalibor [?\]: it's a duel :)
badaji1 [1k\]: now kill corner ;)
ChildishGo [2d\]: otherwise why f18?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think f18 is a failure
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;W[jb]C[Suramasa [4d\]: same
Suramasa [4d\]: :(
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
TsuQ [4k?\]: shame they aren't both armed..
]
;B[eb]C[Suramasa [4d\]: no j3?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: ...
Suramasa [4d\]: - -
TAPJoshua [2k\]: this is game
NorthWind [5k\]: turned out to be sente
]
;W[cg]C[Suramasa [4d\]: yay
sqcsacasa: w trying to connect all the loose ends
JoostvdPol [6k\]: he might succeed
Tien [9d\]: White can be confident in his endgame
KoReNJe [3d\]: w thinks he's already in yose
gogonuts [5d\]: what devilry is this? :-)
ChildishGo [2d\]: I still think w would F5 at bottom :)
praglon: he has to, being 30 points behind
Suramasa [4d\]: its pretty much yose...
KoReNJe [3d\]: no
Suramasa [4d\]: after some1 takes j3/h3
]
;B[dg]
;W[dh]C[agrog [1d\]: seems GoR is very similar to ELO anyway
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: how much does in-seong make off go
Tien [9d\]: Yes, it is
gogonuts [5d\]: ah, its a safety play
Tien [9d\]: Extremely similar anyway
Tien [9d\]: After the status of b4 is made clear, this game is in endgame
gogonuts [5d\]: this helps protect F17
]
;B[bh]C[Schnuller: now e15 sente
TAPJoshua [2k\]: white H3
Suramasa [4d\]: ?
slob [1k\]: b has resorted now to biological warfare
NorthWind [5k\]: lol
sqcsacasa: tien why didn't u go to berlin?
MPU [5k\]: Where could I find the games that were played. I am interestin in the game sum played?
IlanKeshet [5k?\]: this is go slob
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;W[hq]C[Suramasa [4d\]: yay
TAPJoshua [2k\]: :)
Excalibor [?\]: there
mottomo [12k?\]: :)
]
;B[fh]C[IlanKeshet [5k?\]: well.. i guess u could sneeze on your hands... and rub them all over your opponents stones
sqcsacasa: ur finnish right, so shouldn't be a problem
KoReNJe [3d\]: m12 huge now
]
;W[eh]C[Suramasa [4d\]: all up to yose
NorthWind [5k\]: it worked for SHikshin at the EGC
ChildishGo [2d\]: r18 bigger
KoReNJe [3d\]: no
Manulski [6k\]: G2 bigger, too?
woll0815 [3k?\]: R18 bigger than B2? 
Suramasa [4d\]: b6 pretty big
]
;B[cn]C[Suramasa [4d\]: or....that.
gogonuts [5d\]: c6 is a little wishy washy
Suramasa [4d\]: i think b6 is enough
Excalibor [?\]: wishy washy? xD
gogonuts [5d\]: w has b6
Suramasa [4d\]: yea
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;W[bn]C[Inoshiro [9k\]: wishy washy? schöner germanismus :)
Manulski [6k\]: black keeps sente
joachim [?\]: wishy washy is german :-) means soso
KoReNJe [3d\]: nein
joachim [?\]: lukewarm
emk [1k\]: there are some c's missing
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;B[rj]C[woll0815 [3k?\]: not flesh, not fish :) 
Manulski [6k\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: big lol
Manulski [6k\]: you are heavy on wire ^^
noluck [-\]: r18 
Suramasa [4d\]: r18 big yar.
iHug [1d\]: white might win
KoReNJe [3d\]: he's keeping r18 trade for m12
Koukkaaja [3d\]: c6 definitely not fish nor fish
KoReNJe [3d\]: :p
Tien [9d\]: J18's pretty huge
Suramasa [4d\]: what ruling is this btw?
ogolony [-\]: b7 
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;W[co]C[slob [1k\]: b3
beltzahara [9k\]: why not m12 for black or n10 for white?
Tien [9d\]: Guess the thing that matters here is what white will get in sente
Suramasa [4d\]: is c5 too slow? or was needed?
KoReNJe [3d\]: b must go for the biggest moves now
iHug [1d\]: white gets sente once every 2 moves
gogonuts [5d\]: rather than the small ones, i totally agree
suiram [3k\]: now n10 big
Tien [9d\]: White wants c5 to be sente - or if not, he wants n10 to be sente next
Suramasa [4d\]: n10 very big now 
gav1 [3d\]: p11 
sweetleaf [1d\]: c5 removes good b follow-up at b3
]
;B[gr]
;W[hr]
;B[bq]C[ChildishGo [2d\]: w n10 gote?\\
Suramasa [4d\]: huh?
KoReNJe [3d\]: how can w win now
gogonuts [5d\]: w gets r18
gogonuts [5d\]: doesnt have to
polpol: r18 j18 miai?
Suramasa [4d\]: is this japanese rules?
sqcsacasa: lol w got every single big endgame point
Suramasa [4d\]: or aga etc.
BlackPete [2d\]: what's bigger? r18 or j18?
NorthWind [5k\]: W e18 first
ChildishGo [2d\]: seems gote for w to me
gogonuts [5d\]: its hahn, getting somewhat close is ok for w
KoReNJe [3d\]: hmm
NorthWind [5k\]: e19
KoReNJe [3d\]: w still leading
KoReNJe [3d\]: after counting
praglon: come on
gogonuts [5d\]: b you mean
KoReNJe [3d\]: nope
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
ogolony [-\]: r18 
Suramasa [4d\]: b+75.5
sweetleaf [1d\]: to me b ahead by around 10
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
sqcsacasa: O_o
KoReNJe [3d\]: game pretty even
Suramasa [4d\]: i think white will win in yose
Suramasa [4d\]: though
sqcsacasa: b ahead by 20 before the terrible endgame, now within komi
KoReNJe [3d\]: didn't include m12 option :p
sqcsacasa: <10
Tien [9d\]: N10 seems like the next move
Suramasa [4d\]: wouldn't say terrible endgame..
oneiross: we are in yose already Suramasa
Inoshiro [9k\]: i wonder why they always stand up and walk around...
ChildishGo [2d\]: n10 m12 m10 p11 w end gote?
Suramasa [4d\]: oh i meant like will win during yose
TAPJoshua [2k\]: R18?
Suramasa [4d\]: like catchup most points
Manulski [6k\]: walking gets oxygen to the brain ^^
Weishenme [4d\]: J18
TsuQ [4k?\]: why b3 instead of r18?
KoReNJe [3d\]: where is the video
KoReNJe [3d\]: I wanna see w's worried face
gogonuts [5d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Suramasa [4d\]: maybe b afraid of b2 
NorthWind [5k\]: W is concentrating. his face doesn't say easy win
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;W[sj]C[Schnuller: j18 biggest point
TAPJoshua [2k\]: he is worried
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
]
;B[si]C[Tien [9d\]: Here comes the sente train!
schwiggity [7k\]: whooo WHOOOOOO
gogonuts [5d\]: ride on the sente train
Nickless [-\]: the transmiter is placing moves so fast
BlackPete [2d\]: Tien, is J18 bigger for white than R18?
mottomo [12k?\]: you said it brother
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: scurge here ;)
Tien [9d\]: BlackPete, I think it's a bit bitter alright
oneiross: Nickless, he is even faster than the video
Nickless [-\]: right
BlackPete [2d\]: thanks
Tien [9d\]: R18 is very big, of course, too
TAPJoshua [2k\]: J18 is comparable in size
Suramasa [4d\]: tien r18 bigger or n10?
Tien [9d\]: I'd pick n10 first
]
;W[mj]
;B[lh]C[Tien [9d\]: Then p11 becomes white's sente, as well as moves around f5
Suramasa [4d\]: XP
Sandmann [-\]: hey scurge
gogonuts [5d\]: now t10
gogonuts [5d\]: 9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hello
Sandmann [-\]: :)
Suramasa [4d\]: isn't f5 sente anyways?
Suramasa [4d\]: oh woops
Tien [9d\]: Hi scurge :)
Suramasa [4d\]: nvm
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: hmm
ChildishGo [2d\]: b F11 sente after w M10
KoReNJe [3d\]: w bad bad move
Sandmann [-\]: will scurge go to kranich?
gogonuts [5d\]: w hating the fact that b p11 will become sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: probably not 
Sandmann [-\]: dommage
Tien [9d\]: Gogonuts, ah, now I see it
Tien [9d\]: White's probably eyeing at t8
]
;W[bg]C[ChildishGo [2d\]: I said this like 5 times but no one listen to me xD
oneiross: timesuji ?
Tien [9d\]: This could be making threats in that case
Suramasa [4d\]: threats for what?
reprisal [3d\]: b can t9?
TsuQ [4k?\]: thats... interesting...
Suramasa [4d\]: oh t8
noluck [-\]: b is leading anyway no?
tellone [3k\]: is b in boyomi?
Farflame [2d\]: hard to understand
TsuQ [4k?\]: well t9 should be sente..ish
oneiross: it seems like both of them still have 15 minutes
]
;B[bf]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: what song should I listen
Kantid [3k\]: "push it to the limit"
TsuQ [4k?\]: live and let die
schwiggity [7k\]: the final countdown
oneiross: "holy night"
gogonuts [5d\]: w ould love get m10 and e8
praglon: my baby shot me down
polopool: throw a dice in your cd collection
KoReNJe [3d\]: annoying orange theme song
schwiggity [7k\]: ebony and ivory 
gogonuts [5d\]: oh god
IlanKeshet [5k?\]:  ?
gogonuts [5d\]: that was the worst suggestion :-)
tellone [3k\]: liszt-mephisto wlatz no1?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: awesome.
Sandmann [-\]: yes tellone!!!
Suramasa [4d\]: la campanella
Kantid [3k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ best song ever
Schnuller: n/a
Schnuller: in germany
TAPJoshua [2k\]: im going to guess i know what song that is
Inoshiro [9k\]: hidemyass.com
praglon: the beast in me
mottomo [12k?\]: Give Peace a Chance?
]
;W[sl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: there it is :-)
Tien [9d\]: Here we go :)
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol move
Farflame [2d\]: once i read yose is the most respected part of game by professionals
wuhu [11k\]:  
chimbba [2k\]: what's this?
Tien [9d\]: This is the sente train
Excalibor [?\]: yose ko!
]
;B[sk]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: why play ko
KoReNJe [3d\]: just take it
]
;W[ah]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ko against dame-zumari
]
;B[ai]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: it's psychological ko
]
;W[sj]C[NorthWind [5k\]: dunno, t9 seemed sente
Tien [9d\]: White wants to be able to connect at m10, without black p11 being sente
Excalibor [?\]: ko will let him move where he needs to with the threat of taking over there :)
Tien [9d\]: That's the essence of t8
Madzilla [3d\]: B is still leading around 10pt
tomason [2d?\]: EG, do zou know other results?
chimbba [2k\]: i see
Sandmann [-\]: katsukesshin ga tsuyoi
KoReNJe [3d\]: even game
gogonuts [5d\]: capture at m10 now
Tien [9d\]: Capturing at m10 would show some spirit
Excalibor [?\]: :-)
Excalibor [?\]: and some reading skill as well
Madzilla [3d\]: doesn't look that easy for W to catch up
Koukkaaja [3d\]: m10 seems good
KoReNJe [3d\]: internet is so boring
TsuQ [4k?\]: probably translates to.. is dangerous
Tien [9d\]: That, too :)
Madzilla [3d\]: since B still has some initiative with J18 and R18 and so on
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, lukan won 18 assu won against cho seok about 20 scurge lost 9 points
slob [1k\]: mistake stone in go is like a curse on your game
KoReNJe [3d\]: lukan?
tomason [2d?\]: thanks EG
ChildishGo [2d\]: cho seok los 23 you said earlier :)
DomDaniel [1d\]: scurge lost? against who?
Excalibor [?\]: amen to that, slob
TsuQ [4k?\]: although... it must be quite difficult for white to capture t11
]
;B[lj]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: is lukan that hungarian child?
slob [1k\]: it feels like w did more damage to himself with p10 than b did with all his stones combined
gogonuts [5d\]: found it
Excalibor [?\]: hey!
Madzilla [3d\]: good!!!
Excalibor [?\]: he did it, cool
Koukkaaja [3d\]: let's see if was seriuous with t8
]
;W[ri]
;B[sk]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: who gave birth?
]
;W[ci]
;B[ag]
;W[sj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this gives me an optimistic feeling for b
KoReNJe [3d\]: j18 :p
donGoku [3k\]: p17?
badaji1 [1k\]: J18
]
;B[mq]
;W[lq]
;B[sk]C[ninjaboy [16k\]: lol this game is faster than video
Excalibor [?\]: i guess w q11 is now a very sente move
KoReNJe [3d\]: eurogo can predict moves
Podiceps [6k\]: A good relayer is faster than the eye
emk [1k\]: ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: can travel forwar din time toi satisfy the kibitzers
woll0815 [3k?\]: eurogo shows then the good moves 
]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[sj]C[woll0815 [3k?\]: *them
BlackPete [2d\]: cool thread
reprisal [3d\]: expensive threat
BlackPete [2d\]: treat
sqcsacasa: b so many threats
BlackPete [2d\]: but it helps with the ko right
donGoku [3k\]: n16
]
;B[rg]C[reprisal [3d\]: helps b too
sqcsacasa: lol
Suramasa [4d\]: b giving up xP
Tien [9d\]: There goes the optimistic feeling for black :)
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
sqcsacasa: wake me up, before you ko-ko
TAPJoshua [2k\]: does T12 not work?
KoReNJe [3d\]: still
gogonuts [5d\]: w r18 now?
KoReNJe [3d\]: b lost the same as he gained at l11 area
gogonuts [5d\]: w t12 seems sluggish
Excalibor [?\]: i still think q11 must hurt a lot
KoReNJe [3d\]: unless w gains sente and wins the go
Tien [9d\]: Maybe j18
]
;W[sh]C[reprisal [3d\]: yeah no reason to clear the ko is htere
]
;B[dn]C[gav1 [3d\]: j18 so big
sqcsacasa: good
Tien [9d\]: Ah, I see, r12 left
slob [1k\]: b seems confused
sqcsacasa: w still under pressure
JoostvdPol [6k\]: c7 needed?
Inoshiro [9k\]: q11 too small?
BlackPete [2d\]: ahh r12 is nice
MitoPomito [-\]: Is this 4d doing well?
Suramasa [4d\]: huh
Sandmann [-\]: 7d 2777 gor is a cool rating
Suramasa [4d\]: what does r12 do
]
;W[do]C[Farflame [2d\]: better than most of us
KoReNJe [3d\]: 48, 56
KoReNJe [3d\]: w leading by 8
KoReNJe [3d\]: can't believe this
BlackPete [2d\]: white r12&r13 give nice aji
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
Excalibor [?\]: i guess w r1, b r13 w q11 is a nice sequence
Suramasa [4d\]: u sure your counting isn't biasde?
Suramasa [4d\]: biased*
Suramasa [4d\]: x)
KoReNJe [3d\]: my counting never wrong
oneiross: I don't believe you Korenje (but I didn't count)
plains [1d\]: what's the meaning of In-Seong Hwang(2777)
sqcsacasa: korenje known troll
KoReNJe [3d\]: I am like a 10d in counthing
Suramasa [4d\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: you will see
Mukti [4d\]: I count b still 10 ahead
sqcsacasa: ok
NorthWind [5k\]: B seems +12 or so
KoReNJe [3d\]: w +6 to +8
Mukti [4d\]: But now w may win becaus of superior endgame
gogonuts [5d\]: b by 10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: btw you cant see but these stones here arent ssymetrical and the players are placing the stones differently so the goboard looks like a mess :)
radzik23 [?\]: j18 huge#
Suramasa [4d\]: yes i believe w's endgame stronger
]
;B[ck]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: no excuses now
KoReNJe [3d\]: I defy u all
Tien [9d\]: Suremasa, try r12 q11 s15 s14 q12 p11 t14 t13 q14 
sqcsacasa: :D
KoReNJe [3d\]: e6
Tien [9d\]: Unless I read that wrong
ChildishGo [2d\]: a8?
chimbba [2k\]: d7
ChildishGo [2d\]: unwinnable ko but well xD
]
;W[dm]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: god that's complex tien
]
;B[en]C[Tien [9d\]: That is, kinda :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe black tries to kill all?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: so what would that accomplish?
Tien [9d\]: And there's still left r12 q12 for instance
Tien [9d\]: TAPJoshua, catches p13
gogonuts [5d\]: b earning the right to play J18
Moin9 [2k\]: wow that looks at the first sight, hard for white
TAPJoshua [2k\]: theres a ko right tien?
mamutik [1d\]: KoReNJe must be wrong ... (or kiddin)
Suramasa [4d\]: nice
sqcsacasa: or kitten
gogonuts [5d\]: really must b8
underxy [2k\]: 5stone so much
ChildishGo [2d\]: w  trick b with playing a8 in sente ?:)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pavol lisy won by 10
Tien [9d\]: How's Assu's game?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: assu won around 20
Suramasa [4d\]: but..
GoShinobi [-\]: won with 5 handi against seokbin
Tien [9d\]: Ok, thanks :)
]
;W[ak]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah, better than b8
ninjaboy [16k\]: how come there so much lint and dust they keep picking off? lol
gogonuts [5d\]: b must sacrifice at b8
Excalibor [?\]: Tien, what a nice sequence!
]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]C[Tien [9d\]: Excalibor, hehe :)
TAPJoshua [2k\]: tien, that sequence has a really large ko right?
Excalibor [?\]: i wanna read like that :-P
Tien [9d\]: There's a ko, yes
Tien [9d\]: But black cannot really fight it
TAPJoshua [2k\]: why not?
Tien [9d\]: If black loses it, black loses the corner too
Tien [9d\]: White will lose some small stones at p14 at most
TAPJoshua [2k\]: not exactly
Tien [9d\]: It's like you're gambling with 1000e to win 10e
TAPJoshua [2k\]: white will lose the S11 stones right?
]
;B[qb]C[Koukkaaja [3d\]: that's what they _are_ doing
Tien [9d\]: True, black's able to capture the s11 stones later, too
Tien [9d\]: Still, the ko would be favorable for white, I feel
]
;W[ib]
;B[le]C[sqcsacasa: `hmm
]
;W[md]C[underxy [2k\]: B will 35,5
gogonuts [5d\]: j18 bigger than r18, isnt it?
sqcsacasa: b scared of the corner, so r18
Tien [9d\]: Looks like a B+15?
NorthWind [5k\]: yeah B won
sqcsacasa: you're 25 off, by korenje's count
gogonuts [5d\]: that makes it b +10 if nothing too funny happens :-)
Tien [9d\]: He didn't win yet, but he's going for the win at the moment
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+28.5
]
;B[go]
;W[ho]
;B[in]C[tellone [3k\]: u should count again
]
;W[jn]C[Suramasa [4d\]: lol
]
;B[hn]
;W[io]
;B[gm]C[akarinogo [6k?\]: b around 82 and w 68
]
;W[im]C[sqcsacasa: that would require a massive upset, onmyo
gogonuts [5d\]: p18
KoReNJe [3d\]: hmm
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I was in very similar position and i manged to lose 0.5 so nothing is done yet i fear :)
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
Tien [9d\]: Looks like this lost more for black than gained
gogonuts [5d\]: reaching for p18 :-)
]
;B[hb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nope
KoReNJe [3d\]: ok b+10
KoReNJe [3d\]: seems like w screwed up
gogonuts [5d\]: veered off to h18 :-)
workforce [2d\]: p18 would save b's day
]
;W[gd]C[mamutik [1d\]: well, here it goes from KoReNJe
sqcsacasa: korenje's always right, +- 20 points
KoReNJe [3d\]: I included estimation of 4d gameplay
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i say b+5
KoReNJe [3d\]: however he was better than predictions
oneiross: looks like white will enter byoyomi soon
]
;B[hc]C[simplet [4d\]: 4 black hoshies, is this a handy game?
]
;W[qh]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: 5 handi
oneiross: but they are not looking at the clocks at all, so maybe black won't notice
simplet [4d\]: o thanks
praglon: final chance to make a mistake for b
TAPJoshua [2k\]: haha
TAPJoshua [2k\]: black might lose right here
]
;B[ph]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: OoO
KoReNJe [3d\]: being a counting god is a difficult task ;)
mamutik [1d\]: what is the seyuence here that threatens black, please?
Tien [9d\]: S14 here :)
PizzaForU [-\]: :P
mamutik [1d\]: *sequence*
TAPJoshua [2k\]: S14 now
PizzaForU [-\]: s14
sqcsacasa: s14 lol
Excalibor [?\]: mmm
akarinogo [6k?\]: s14 tricky
oneiross: ok, byo-yomi starting for white
Thore [4d\]: b +25
Excalibor [?\]: how does s14 work? cannot see it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hwang in byo yomi
TAPJoshua [2k\]: the other seq was black Q11 and not Q12 which would be a losing ko for black
Tien [9d\]: Excalibur, depends on how black answers
]
;W[pc]C[Tien [9d\]: Well, now it's lost
Onmyoji [-\]: s14 w gets a few points
Onmyoji [-\]: but not too big
simplet [4d\]: so does q17
Tien [9d\]: s14 s15 r13 t14 q14 s14 q11 was a simple way for black to mess up
Tien [9d\]: A few points extra is a few points extra, no?
Tien [9d\]: That's very big
mamutik [1d\]: thank you very much'
]
;B[sg]C[strong10k [-\]: can a 7d really give 5 handi to 4d?
gogonuts [5d\]: h18 was clearly the wrong decision
kimidori [1d\]: H1?
TsuQ [4k?\]: looks like... yes.
gogonuts [5d\]:  w made 1 blunder and is 10 points behind
]
;W[qa]
;B[ra]
;W[pa]
;B[rb]C[gogonuts [5d\]: so without the blunder ...
Koukkaaja [3d\]: without b blunder...
Tien [9d\]: What was white's blunder?
]
;W[od]C[reprisal [3d\]: p10
gogonuts [5d\]: there is no without b blunder :-)
slob [1k\]: w would be ahead without p10 blunder
Jazzman [1d\]: lol
Excalibor [?\]: ah, very nice sequence as well, yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Jan is in byo yomi
Excalibor [?\]: it aims at q11, very nice ^^
Tien [9d\]: YEah :)
joachim [?\]: only 10 points left for black. might become realy close
]
;B[rh]C[reprisal [3d\]: yes that is a real danger
akarinogo [6k?\]: w 67 b 80
Tien [9d\]: This is beginning to be too late for white
Goreon [2d\]: ko?
]
;W[aq]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: strong response
]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]C[slob [1k\]: w is having a good sequence heer
Tien [9d\]: Needs a black misread
]
;B[br]C[Excalibor [?\]: i knew q11 was important as it's the vital point of that shape and gets those stones, but how to make it work... that was awesom
Tien [9d\]: A big one
reprisal [3d\]: too late for a win maybe
reprisal [3d\]: but a narrow loss is nearly as good, right?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
oneiross: since Cho lost by 23, it's ok for white to lose with small margin
Podiceps [6k\]: it is still impressive w can be this close with 5H
]
;W[ea]C[Tien [9d\]: Excalibor, yeah, in such a situation the order of moves will often be very important
sqcsacasa: b can't be happy about this game
Tien [9d\]: And requires a lot of fine-tuning, too
KoReNJe [3d\]: ah
Excalibor [?\]: also there are more handi stones than 100s of points on difference... let's give black some respect as well :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in fact it is a question if its good to win for hwang because then last roung he plays huge handi and might lose  40 points
simplet [4d\]: f16
]
;B[da]
;W[fa]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: wtf this was handicap game?
]
;B[db]
;W[ha]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: yes
KoReNJe [3d\]: oh crap 
TAPJoshua [2k\]: 5 handi
KoReNJe [3d\]: w was awesome
TAPJoshua [2k\]: the whole thing was pretty boss
gogonuts [5d\]: when you get a too high handicap like this, a close win can really make you feel bad
Koukkaaja [3d\]: w has gained some dozens ps in end game
]
;B[hs]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: I thought it was even :S. blah losing nothing special here
nostory [6k?\]: why he game 5 handy?
]
;W[is]
;B[gs]C[nostory [6k?\]: gave*
sqcsacasa: where are the tournament results?
sqcsacasa: wall list
KoReNJe [3d\]: must be some new rules?
Tien [9d\]: Tournament says so
Excalibor [?\]: Tien: I see... well, it makes this damned game interesting (frustrated kyu player here :-P  )
NorthWind [5k\]: hell no, win feels good :)
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i guess he's strong strong 7 dan
gogonuts [5d\]: they sat down and in-seong said: i can give you 5 stones
sagesse [-\]: g3 
Tien [9d\]: Excalibor, it sure does :)
simplet [4d\]: h4
]
;W[gq]C[reprisal [3d\]: squeaking out a 3 pt win on 5h doesnt feel good to me
sqcsacasa: ye
KoReNJe [3d\]: handicap games should be banned from this kind of tournaments, because they both get even starting positions
reprisal [3d\]: i feel pathetic after
]
;B[fr]
;W[gp]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: assuming they always played handicap games, everyone would be the same rank
daladim [1d\]: hu
]
;B[ir]C[oneiross: It's also in tournament rules that it's possible to change handicap stones for 13 points komi if both players agree. Did any players chose this?
]
;W[js]
;B[fp]
;W[iq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: nice cut at j2
TAPJoshua [2k\]: i think you take the difference in their ratings, divide by 50, and round to the nearest whole number
]
;B[el]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[Ephemere [2d\]: t11 soon?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: maybe not...
]
;W[ln]C[mester [2d\]: se crashed
noluck [-\]: n6 
Chilltime [1d\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: this tourney is a joke
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no depends on previous results too
akarinogo [6k?\]: m 6 wow
KoReNJe [3d\]: ban handicap games!
gogonuts [5d\]: e8: my father told me: son dont ever threaten to cut live groups
TAPJoshua [2k\]: divide by 70??
sqcsacasa: 1000e no joke
Ephemere [2d\]: oveplay!
KoReNJe [3d\]: now even 1kyu has a chance to win 1000€
strong10k [-\]: weird stuff at o7
Nickless [-\]: this matey is smiling
TAPJoshua [2k\]: white played M6 and laughed
agrog [1d\]: handi games are the most interesting
Nickless [-\]: whats so funny jan : ( ?
]
;B[mn]
;W[km]C[Pempu [3d\]: lol
norgkost [2k\]: n6 ?
sqcsacasa: b massacred in endgame
nukenin [?\]: byo yomi for b ?
]
;B[dl]
;W[cm]
;B[jc]
;W[kc]
;B[fe]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
]
;W[ge]
;B[fd]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: seems my counting not so off if I exclude boyoyomi
]
;W[gc]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: I mean komi
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
akarinogo [6k?\]: B+12.5 is best result
]
;B[cp]C[mester [2d\]: the players know exact score now ?
simplet [4d\]: good sequence by black
sqcsacasa: best result is eternal youth and happiness... hard to achieve playing go
noluck [-\]: a8 ?
]
;W[ee]
;B[ed]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: I must say, M6 quite clever
Mukti [4d\]: what on aerth is c4?
oneiross: no mester, they are in byoyomi, no time to count
]
;W[lm]
;B[mm]C[suiram [3k\]: r11?
norgkost [2k\]: c4 is a powerful explosive, if you know what i mean
reprisal [3d\]: i'd wager w has a pretty good idea what the score should be
Mukti [4d\]: :-) norgkost
gogonuts [5d\]: lets hope b doesnt forget r11
TAPJoshua [2k\]: c4 is 1 pt gote lol
NorthWind [5k\]: B r11
simplet [4d\]: i guess for a 7d m6 is a routine endgame move
TAPJoshua [2k\]: yes
TAPJoshua [2k\]: its like, oh this m6, right
Pempu [3d\]: Did M6 really work?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
]
;W[si]C[Pempu [3d\]: how?
]
;B[eo]
;W[bo]C[Meto [1d\]: time for s15
Koukkaaja [3d\]: p6 for w was 
]
;B[qi]
;W[sk]C[BlackPete [2d\]: by cutting at o7
TAPJoshua [2k\]: white can take R6 stone
gogonuts [5d\]: if b connects o7
]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]C[StefanRadu [1k\]: live stream?
NorthWind [5k\]: yes, usual place
simplet [4d\]: m6 m7 , o7 
Tien [9d\]: Pempu, o7 was the key move there
]
;B[nf]C[Tien [9d\]: Sorry for the lag :)
Pempu [3d\]: I still dont see it :(  
]
;W[oe]C[gav1 [3d\]: p11 big
]
;B[me]
;W[ng]
;B[jr]
;W[ks]C[simplet [4d\]: threatens double atair
Tien [9d\]: Pempu, how do you answer to o7?
]
;B[aj]
;W[al]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: after o7 black must give up R6 and R5
Seeguu [3k\]: see it and you'll S**t bricks
]
;B[nf]C[simplet [4d\]: atari
]
;W[di]
;B[cf]
;W[ng]C[Pempu [3d\]: ok I think I got it now
Schnuller: o7, q6
]
;B[kr]C[Pempu [3d\]: thanks
]
;W[ls]
;B[nf]C[Tien [9d\]: Ok :)
]
;W[bi]
;B[ah]
;W[ng]C[robol: B plays hopeless yose
Manulski [6k\]: Q5
Ephemere [2d\]: to many r16 ko threats
]
;B[am]
;W[an]
;B[nf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: J2 is helping b now
Manulski [6k\]: not Q6
]
;W[pn]
;B[po]
;W[ng]C[Pempu [3d\]: no stil no go 
simplet [4d\]: if q6, then p6 atari
Sandmann [-\]: ":)" is the only smiley tien ever types
]
;B[lr]
;W[ms]
;B[nf]C[Pempu [3d\]: m6 l7 o7 q5 p6 q6 o6 n6 
]
;W[on]
;B[nm]
;W[ng]C[norgkost [2k\]: Pempu view offline, i just did. it's sick..
trtr: :) is the honte smiley
]
;B[nr]C[Pempu [3d\]: m6 l7 o7 q5 p6 q6 n6 n7 
Tien [9d\]: Sorry =)
]
;W[ns]
;B[nf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: o2, can do
kamistar [16k?\]: :P
Tien [9d\]: I do use ;) and :D too
Sandmann [-\]: :P
TAPJoshua [2k\]: then lets do some epic smileys
daladim [1d\]: >o<
]
;W[fi]
;B[gh]C[sqcsacasa: lies, finnish pp ldon't smile
Schnuller: 07 q6 and then?
trtr: i thought all 9ds are stone cold killers who never smile
]
;W[ng]C[Sandmann [-\]: you dont do smileys by your heart
MatchFree [-\]: =^_^=
norgkost [2k\]: not q6, q5
Akir [3k\]: \]:->
NorthWind [5k\]: classic style never out of fashion -_-
nukenin [?\]: still g6
]
;B[oc]C[kamistar [16k?\]: some of my friends told me that i use almost 90% of :P smiley
]
;W[ob]C[TAPJoshua [2k\]: (*≧ｍ≦*)
]
;B[nf]C[simplet [4d\]: the lack of eye for d9 group costs a lot
]
;W[pf]
;B[qd]
;W[ng]C[Sandmann [-\]: sorry nvm i guess i am drunk
]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]C[Nickless [-\]: sandman, agaaaaaaaaaaaaaain ?
Tien [9d\]: Hehe
Sandmann [-\]: still^^
]
;B[nf]
;W[re]C[Akir [3k\]: bueh
justfun [6k\]: hehe
]
;B[rd]
;W[ng]C[gogonuts [5d\]: b has J19
]
;B[nj]
;W[ok]
;B[nf]C[Ephemere [2d\]: j19 
Ephemere [2d\]: ops, you said it first
norgkost [2k\]: s14 ?
]
;W[li]
;B[ki]
;W[ng]C[GFox [4k\]: isn't G19 more powerfull ? as ko threat ?
gogonuts [5d\]: but g19 costs a point
Koukkaaja [3d\]: so that small fellow in pikkukakkonen was always drunk, no wonder why i was frigthened of sandmann when i was a bit smaller
]
;B[kb]C[simplet [4d\]: g19 is give a point
Seeguu [3k\]: SANDY!!!
]
;W[ia]
;B[nf]
;W[gi]
;B[hh]C[norgkost [2k\]: so g18 not g19 then :)
]
;W[ng]C[daladim [1d\]: can g6 be used as a threat ?
]
;B[gb]
;W[ga]
;B[nf]C[Ephemere [2d\]: not big enough
akarinogo [6k?\]: very close  for game 5h
]
;W[sd]C[simplet [4d\]: i thought about the same stuff ^^
Ephemere [2d\]: ignore!
]
;B[rf]C[Sandmann [-\]: <3
]
;W[ng]C[NorthWind [5k\]: seems 5h was just too much
]
;B[fg]
;W[ff]
;B[nf]C[Greyish [1d\]: not ignore, can obtain a seki with t16
]
;W[se]
;B[sc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: dont forget the w pooka
]
;W[ng]C[gogonuts [5d\]: poka
]
;B[jl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: no
slob [1k\]: yea w made ovious mistake without which would be ahead
GoShinobi [-\]:  bad one or not ?
Goreon [2d\]: g6 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
]
;W[gn]
;B[jm]
;W[kn]C[Sandmann [-\]: ko doesnt matter anymore
]
;B[hn]C[GoShinobi [-\]: yep 
Peikko [1d\]: Eurogotv, How was Assu's game?
Ephemere [2d\]: ??
Sandmann [-\]: uh
GoShinobi [-\]: lol this was bad 
barnes [4d\]: gee
Tien [9d\]: Now p11 :)
nukenin [?\]: p11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: assu won around 20
]
;W[nf]C[barnes [4d\]: sente -6 point
]
;B[ek]C[TsuQ [4k?\]: I was wondering if p11 wasn't bigger than the ko anyway?
Tien [9d\]: Oh, how boring
GoShinobi [-\]: b lost 10 points in endgame
Tien [9d\]: Guess white was out of threats
]
;W[oi]
;B[pi]C[polpol: g9 
]
;W[in]C[Goreon [2d\]: g9 next yes
]
;B[gn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but still winning by 10
ZeroKun [-\]: oh didnt notice, both have 27 captured
]
;W[gk]
;B[gj]C[oneiross: white must be careful with lberties
]
;W[hk]C[Schnuller: r9
daladim [1d\]: hehe
]
;B[qk]C[NorthWind [5k\]: don't see how B lost anything, still winning by 12 or so
]
;W[sm]
;B[oh]
;W[lf]
;B[kf]C[simplet [4d\]: y not p12
]
;W[fk]
;B[ej]
;W[lb]
;B[pk]
;W[rl]
;B[je]
;W[ka]
;B[fl]
;W[em]
;B[hl]
;W[hd]
;B[de]C[Goreon [2d\]: 9.5?
TAPJoshua [2k\]: black won
simplet [4d\]: oh nvm :p
andreiraz [4k\]: b+10
OsoAgonar [3d\]: asdf
lior [3d\]: wow
lior [3d\]: with no handi?
Goreon [2d\]: quite a good result for w no?
akarinogo [6k?\]: great game .. w. so strong
TAPJoshua [2k\]: aww that kid is adorable!
gogonuts [5d\]: still impressive that w didnt lose by 40 after p10
daladim [1d\]: 5 handi lior
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black won by 9.5
gogonuts [5d\]: thx
TAPJoshua [2k\]: what should w have played instead of p10?
andreiraz [4k\]: ty
andreiraz [4k\]: ^_^
gogonuts [5d\]: p9
mester [2d\]: i think j15 was kind most of us play h16 
daladim [1d\]: w stonggggg
BigPlunder [2k\]: congratz
Inoshiro [9k\]: small boy in red sweatshirt doesnt look too happy - hes in seongs trainer
reprisal [3d\]: p9 has none of hte problems of p10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Thank you for watching! I think the next round will start fast.
it [-\]: thx a lot for the relay, eurogo
Farflame [2d\]: congratz to both, thx euro!
Excalibor [?\]: thanks, Harry!
lior [3d\]: who won yesterday
lior [3d\]: on evening
BigPlunder [2k\]: next round???
gogonuts [5d\]: the winner doesnt seem elated :-)
Moin9 [2k\]: black won?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes
TAPJoshua [2k\]: ya gotta have poker face
bikle [5k\]: When does the next round start (CET) ?
NorthWind [5k\]: thanks Harry. good work 
schtaben [15k\]: 9.5 moku
gogonuts [5d\]: but his optimism might suffer in the next round
TAPJoshua [2k\]: it's not exactly exciting to win 5 handi by only 10 pts
Goreon [2d\]: in 50 minutes
bikle [5k\]: Thanks Goreon
BigPlunder [2k\]: thx
Moin9 [2k\]: ok in 50 minutes thx
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