(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congres MAIN tournament round 3 board 2]PW[Cornel Burzo]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2012-07-24]PC[Bonn, Germany]US[Olivier Dulac]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Hello, games will start very soon
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 EurogoTV1 shows live broadcast of table 1: Mateusz Surma 6d vs Zhao Pei 5p / table 3: Ryung Seung Hi 7d vs  EuroGoTV2 shows live broadcast of table 2: Cornel Burzo 6d vs Ondrej Silt 6d / table 4: Ilya Shikshin 7d vs Motoki Noguchi 6d 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmmm, unreadable, sorry
gooooo [3k?\]: not quite :) but will all 4 boards be broadcasted?
elmex [6k\]: the cameras show 4 boards :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: only 1 and 2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but you can try to see the other 2 on the back
TurtleDove [4k\]: the picture is good but it stops and starts
elmex [6k\]: it's fine here
elmex [6k\]: i guess it depends on your internet route to the broadcasting server
elmex [6k\]: i had same problems with it yesterday with the second channel
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: table 3 seems to have started already
gooooo [3k?\]: euro, tell eurogotv1 to switch board fast! ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: table 1 about to start 
TurtleDove [4k\]: must be my connection cos it's fine now
flobby [3k\]: so 5 people donated 1 cent yesterday?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: starting now
Pingu007 [3d\]: salut olivier
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: salut 
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;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[dc]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: I watched Silt in the Czech tourney. he plays the opening well but not so good in the later game (in my opinion)
sssw: EuroGoTV2  Who is the opponent, Ilya
gooooo [3k?\]: white has another stone?
elmex [6k\]: w q4 :->
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;W[pp]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i didn't notice until i finish taking photos of the boards ^^
elmex [6k\]: ^^
SIscurge [5d\]: Silt has good endgame
SIscurge [5d\]: (usually) 
BongoBob [6k\]: stepping away after the first four moves o_o
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i have a doubt about order of table 4 : i see motoki playing white
keima2001 [5k?\]: w is a romanian player
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;B[cn]C[Demon [3d\]: Why don't we have an Ilya game up?  :(
behta [1d\]: hello Olivier :)
behta [1d\]: c'est mic
Susaku [13k\]: ! the stones thet.. they moved...
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;W[fq]
;B[ci]C[Susaku [13k\]: wb euro version 2
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: salut mic 
keima2001 [5k?\]: cine e mic?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: <-- will hide chat mnst of the time, so be patient for answers 
Susaku [13k\]: really? version 1 is a lot more talkative
Cornelius [2d\]: Olivier, tu peux zoomer sur le goban de Motoki? :p
Sur [3k?\]: We will see Ilya play many times yet. I am excited to see Ondrej Silt
Syu [1k\]: im dont really know fuseki, this one is mini chinese righ?
Cornelius [2d\]: it is
Syu [1k\]: thx corne
Sur [3k?\]: Artem wont play in the tournament?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: visa problem, i heard
Sur [3k?\]: I heard that too. That's sad
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: indeed
EuroGoTV2 [-\]:  Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2    EurogoTV1 shows live broadcast of table 1: Mateusz Surma 6d vs Zhao Pei 5p / background is table 3: Song Jun Hyup 7d vs Ryung Seung Hi 7d    EuroGoTV2 shows live broadcast of table 2: Cornel Burzo 6d vs Ondrej Silt 6d / background is table 4: Motoki Noguchi 6d vs Ilya Shikshin 7d
Caelum [3k\]: j'suis curieux de voir si motoki va gagner
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: (motoki is the only white player to be on the left of the screen)
holynec [-\]: motoki fighting!
tantrika [-\]: Thks for the info !
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;W[jc]C[Cezary [-\]: 'zhao pei 5p' awesome
Cezary [-\]: haha
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sorry
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: used to be ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: she is 6d egf
gooooo [3k?\]: used to be? she got demoted?
Cezary [-\]: i dont think she's ever been pro
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;B[hc]
;W[nc]C[Sepultura [2k\]: who playing? I'm on phone(
BongoBob [6k\]: w= cornel burzo, b= Ondrej Silt
Caelum [3k\]: Cornel burzo 6d  Ondrej silt 6d
Sepultura [2k\]: thx)
H16 [2d\]: just q17, can be wrong...
H16 [2d\]: cant
HotToTrot [1d\]: omg there going so slow
Caelum [3k\]: r6 ?
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;B[lc]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: 2.5 hours main time each
milupaz: taranu doesn't play?
Susaku [13k\]: ...
Sur [3k?\]: why does Ondrej need to be fighting so early?
holynec [-\]: q15!
Susaku [13k\]: this cross pincer seems suspicious to me
holynec [-\]: Sur, because white did not play n17 -.-
mate105 [3d\]: fight?
HotToTrot [1d\]: yea
Susaku [13k\]: maybe
Sur [3k?\]: M17 isn't exactly peacefull
tantrika [-\]: and the battle begin !
mate105 [3d\]: white won't fight here now
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;W[pe]C[Susaku [13k\]: m17 can also be a warning move to play else where
holynec [-\]: I called the move, now who is going to pay me?
mate105 [3d\]: i guess i was wrong :(
asanul [1d\]: nobody
Susaku [13k\]: black will answer it
HotToTrot [1d\]: w will try for peacefull fight
Susaku [13k\]: probly p17 if i ha dto guess
mate105 [3d\]: i havent seen this move before
holynec [-\]: it is natural
HotToTrot [1d\]: me either honestly
mate105 [3d\]: i expected 3-3
HotToTrot [1d\]: too submissive imo
Susaku [13k\]: the stone white just played is a shoulder move so black will take in gains by playing the p17 in conjunction with his previous piner maybe
Susaku [13k\]: pincer*
Caelum [3k\]: what he wants to do with q15 ?
TurtleDove [4k\]: q16 and cut seems an option
Susaku [13k\]: q15 is a threat for the corner and right side potential
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;B[pd]C[holynec [-\]: o15
HotToTrot [1d\]: b so down for fighting
HotToTrot [1d\]: yes
Susaku [13k\]: about to get interesting
mate105 [3d\]: in fuse.info database there is no o17 only  p17
mate105 [3d\]: fuseki 
bombur14 [2d\]: try http://eidogo.com/#
Laman [1d\]: i suppose mate means whole board position
Laman [1d\]: and O17 is not in my database either
gagalo [2k\]: is there an 'ADMIN' player here?!
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;W[od]C[mate105 [3d\]: yes laman 
TurtleDove [4k\]: lots of hiss on the sound
gagalo [2k\]: thx; 'laman' just to get this sorted out; 'monkeyjump' player keeps removing a 'seki' position at the end of the game, does not want to finish the game
mate105 [3d\]: funny players are leaving the table too often
mate105 [3d\]: funny, *
gagalo [2k\]: Laman
KurataSan [1d\]: do Ondrej Silt has a user here?
Laman [1d\]: sorry, i am not an admin. try english game room, there should be plenty
gagalo [2k\]: thx
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;B[oe]
;W[qe]
;B[re]C[KurataSan [1d\]: wah nice. Cornel did a haircut
Caelum [3k\]: oh
Caelum [3k\]: thomas :)
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;W[pg]C[asanul [1d\]: yaaaawn
mate105 [3d\]: yeah i know
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;B[ne]C[humvee [6k\]: hmmm
Mukti [4d\]: Severe shape problems for w now.
humvee [6k\]: i guess so
KurataSan [1d\]: /
humvee [6k\]: maybe q18 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2    EurogoTV1 shows live broadcast of table 1: Mateusz Surma 6d vs Zhao Pei 6d / background is table 3: Song Jun Hyup 7d vs Ryung Seung Hi 7d    EuroGoTV2 shows live broadcast of table 2: Cornel Burzo 6d vs Ondrej Silt 6d / background is table 4: Motoki Noguchi 6d vs Ilya Shikshin 7d (w on right, b on left, except for motoki/ilya)
KurataSan [1d\]: Euro, can you tell us how much time each player has?
humvee [6k\]: 1:59 now Cornel
humvee [6k\]: white is over 2+
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;W[md]C[humvee [6k\]: Mukti what u think about n16 ?!
WaterFall [3k\]: m16 i think
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: remaining main time for each is 1h59mn (over 2h30mn total. byo yomi will be 1x60s)
lavit [7k?\]: o16 wonr work, doesnt it?
Gekirin [2d\]: w want to play if b cut at n17
WaterFall [3k\]: o16>n17
Gekirin [2d\]: seems b cant o16
Gekirin [2d\]: w want s 16 uf cut*
MaxMakinen [1k\]: are korean players intentionally being paired against each other in 2 out of 3 rounds, or is it just random chance? 
lavit [7k?\]: with my reading, m17  will die before p16 
WaterFall [3k\]: corner seems alive
Nschotschi [-\]: egf tournament record: cornel 10 - 12 ondrej
lavit [7k?\]: r15 interesting
lavit [7k?\]: i mean q15
WaterFall [3k\]: after b m16, b can q11 as well
Caelum [3k\]: o_o
KurataSan [1d\]: /
mate105 [3d\]: slow pace
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;B[kd]C[Gekirin [2d\]: m16 n15 p13 
WaterFall [3k\]: i think b is afraid m16>n15>b has to add one stone to threat k17
Gekirin [2d\]: yeah..
klausP [5d?\]: what a fight
WaterFall [3k\]: w can q17>r17>r18
Susaku [13k\]: l16 still says n15 as a possible response
Susaku [13k\]: just not as good as others
Backflash [6k\]: Cornel looks weird with his new haircut =\\
DBDNW [13k?\]: Oww I think it makes him look younger. 
WaterFall [3k\]: w can jump out,but y dont just q17 to threat b?
klausP [5d?\]: can soneone explain the scoring? (I wonder why Jonas Weltike an Robert Jasiek have the same MMS)
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: supergroup maybe?
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: 32 players start on 1 MMS score higher than all the rest
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: like 1 higher than their rank / the bar should make them
flobby [3k\]: sneaky
goBum [1k\]: wow cornel reaally thinking a lot in this move
flobby [3k\]: the d and h switching places is hardly noticeable
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;W[lb]C[asanul [1d\]: bless u
klausP [5d?\]: so 4d in supergroup??
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: maybe if its determined by GoR
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: wouldn't surprise me if Jasiek GOR is quite low
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: or maybe they have some other strangeness that i am unaware of..
Laman [1d\]: i've heard there was one player with a wildcard
TurtleDove [4k\]: hmm, not often you see players talking to each other during a game
goBum [1k\]: with other players too lol while on the board, wink wink*
viu30h [6k\]: i have only applet (since away from home)     since its still early could someone give me coordinates with order of moves?
lupis [3d\]: if you look at the results after the first round it's quite clear that for whatever reason Jonas Weltike started in the supergroup.
Nschotschi [-\]: klausP: es muß an der supergourp liegen oder es ist was falsch. beide haben 4d GoR, wobei Jonas einige rating punkte mehr hat. Es könnte auch sein, dass die bars ausversehen bei vvollen 100er schritten anstelle der 50er schwellen gelegt wurden
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: klausp - incase you're interested it seems people had to sign upto be in the supergroup so i guess that is why the ranks dont make sense entirely
Nschotschi [-\]: both signed up in time
viu30h [6k\]: k17 h17 o17 m17  after that i have no idea what happened in top right
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;B[mb]
;W[mc]C[hjeksdhf [5d?\]: hmm odd
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;B[kb]C[klausP [5d?\]: maybe Jonas is in the supergroup, cause he is one of the best talants we have
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: ah specialpriveliges like the seeding for Wimbledon :p
Nschotschi [-\]: not a reason imho. must be under best 32 GoR
klausP [5d?\]: i agree with that
klausP [5d?\]: but he is not
klausP [5d?\]: maybe under the best 32 who signed up for supergroup
TurtleDove [4k\]: viu ... W started a fight with q15 q16 p16 p15 etc
klausP [5d?\]: i remember you must agree to play all games if you want to be in supergroup
klausP [5d?\]: this game is strange, i dont understand the fight
viu30h [6k\]: thx alot  and  really???
goBum [1k\]: both players always leaving their seats after their turn *tense?*
lupis [3d\]: there has previously been a practise to seed a promising young local player if such exits in the near range.
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;W[pc]C[Susaku [13k\]: how much time is left for both parties?
hjeksdhf [5d?\]: looks good for ondrej to me
lexterrae [10k\]: need more blood
Nschotschi [-\]: uh I just noticed that boards 3 and 4 are the most interesting games today...
Mukti [4d\]: Indeed this feels awful for white, w will need to get ample compensation from his attack on the corner.
viu30h [6k\]: why i always arrive to late at games then the result is horrible for the one i wanted to win xD
lupis [3d\]: looks like below the supergroup the mcmahon bar was at 5d this year
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;B[qc]
;W[ld]
;B[kc]
;W[lf]C[Susaku [13k\]: starting to like white a lot more now
Caelum [3k\]: why ?
Caelum [3k\]: black is better
goBum [1k\]: go cornel ! !
Susaku [13k\]: but white aji is potentially worth more atm
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;B[rf]C[asanul [1d\]: I miss Artem, why isn't he playing?
Caelum [3k\]: visa problem :D
SIscurge [5d\]: Not so funny actually :/
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;W[qg]
;B[ng]
;W[pb]C[odif [4k\]: is this true visa problem
Susaku [13k\]: b need o18 to keep w dead atm
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
TurtleDove [4k\]: this was a B corner so I guess W not so bad
asanul [1d\]: there is one Ukranian player in the list
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;B[qb]C[Susaku [13k\]: later w can play o18 atari and gain a free eye
Caelum [3k\]: Have you a problem with the streaming too?
asanul [1d\]: yes
mate105 [3d\]: yes
mate105 [3d\]: streaming gone
ShenWei [2k\]: no stream = no problem :-)
bv4 [2k\]: so what is w going to do ?
Susaku [13k\]: EGT1 probly left to go try and fix the problem
TurtleDove [4k\]: W p11 would be nice but prob needs m12 for that group
Vondel [2k\]: I like B too
klausP [5d?\]: b happy cause of the m18 exchanges
royu [4d\]: yeah, b easier. and will get the next big move
gogonuts [5d\]: ever since m17 w had problems in that corner
gogonuts [5d\]: i blame o17
gogonuts [5d\]: it was actually less safe than p17
gisel [3d\]: internet died for EGC?
Caelum [3k\]: i can see the moves
Caelum [3k\]: white L15   black k16  white L12   black N12   White q10  black n10
SIkachnak [3d\]: w in really bad shape...
SIkachnak [3d\]: seems to me that p16 was just too much
Syptryn [4d\]: hmm
viu30h [6k\]: me only one with ultra laggy stream right now?
Sakeus [9k\]: nope
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;W[pj]
;B[mh]
;W[kh]C[viu30h [6k\]: does silt play on kgs?
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;B[mj]
;W[ke]
;B[jd]
;W[if]
;B[pm]C[Koffein [-\]: takanashi
Gouda [?\]: takanashi means?
viu30h [6k\]: white will cut this?
viu30h [6k\]: so tempting but white in danger too i guess
viu30h [6k\]: stream is back!!!
Cornelius [2d\]: what's going on around Motoki's table ?
TurtleDove [4k\]: coach party arrived :)
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;W[ol]C[odif [4k\]: where is artem
TurtleDove [4k\]: no visa
viu30h [6k\]: didnt wanted to play
viu30h [6k\]: anyway
viu30h [6k\]: he wouldve only come for pandanet tourney
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ondrej sealed a move.
SIkachnak [3d\]: änd went for a lunch?
asanul [1d\]: they stopped?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Yes, for a lunch break.
TurtleDove [4k\]: should've ordered a take-away and played on :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 hour
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 13.30 game will resume
royu [4d\]: i don't like how b utilized n12 group... made it heavy
pytta [2k\]: heavy is the new light
SIkachnak [3d\]: but how else should he have played?
hjeksdhf [5d\]: does every game have lunch or the players choose?
ExplO [-\]: they choose
royu [4d\]: slkachnak, i think k16 questionable, also maybe b tenuki and develop other areas before n12
royu [4d\]: w hard to deal with b in one stone at that time
sssw: eurogo Who won Ilya or Motoki
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: still playing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but almost finished. I can't tell but body langage seems to indicate motoki is not behind, maybe ahead?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Live TV broadcasts of these games on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2    EurogoTV1 shows live broadcast of table 1: Mateusz Surma 6d vs Zhao Pei 6d / background is table 3: Song Jun Hyup 7d vs Ryung Seung Hi 7d    EuroGoTV2 shows live broadcast of table 2: Cornel Burzo 6d vs Ondrej Silt 6d / background is table 4: Motoki Noguchi 6d vs Ilya Shikshin 7d (w on right, b on left, except for motoki/ilya) 
JeansebL [5d?\]: I see no broadcast
JeansebL [5d?\]: all offline
Indig0 [3k\]: ye, seems not workin
gnarf [1k\]: dinnerbreak
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;B[om]
;W[nl]C[viu30h [6k\]: still off air?
viu30h [6k\]: or is it only my end that has no stream
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is off air for the moment
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ilya won against motoki, it seems
viu30h [6k\]: but we can expect it to be on air soon right? (they are playin/ pondering again right?)
bolbi [-\]: :(
viu30h [6k\]: wheres a catalin when you need one
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is being recorded on each computer so yes, will be online later on
viu30h [6k\]: ilya seems pretty unstoppable this egc
viu30h [6k\]: no that i dont mean      that mean no more live broadcast of this game ???
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'll wait until harry comes back
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;B[nm]
;W[ml]
;B[ki]C[JEGO [7k\]: is there a video transmission ?
viu30h [6k\]: i begin to question q7    white essentially had 2 weak groups back then now both of his groups have got some nice shapes and are out and b is the one having 2 weak groups
viu30h [6k\]: also b is forced to push white into his framework
SIscurge [5d\]: O4 will be so nic for white
viu30h [6k\]: hehe maybe o4 more sente than l11 xD
viu30h [6k\]: but white also like to resond in that area reducing b making himself strong etc. etc.
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;W[jh]C[viu30h [6k\]: oh i just see that white has practically no points at the moment
viu30h [6k\]: thats  quite unfortunate
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;B[ji]
;W[ii]
;B[kk]C[viu30h [6k\]: white trying to force b to give him the turn=?
keima2001 [5k?\]: is there a video transmition?
viu30h [6k\]: hes waiting til harry comes back
viu30h [6k\]: whcih probably be never when harry is eurogotv1
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;W[ij]
;B[km]C[SIscurge [5d\]: Ondrej is playing so well these days... :-)
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;W[ln]C[viu30h [6k\]: well need atleast someone that can stop ilya
sdxc: o4
Gouda [?\]: r4 now?
viu30h [6k\]: r4? white would just keep it split hurray 3 weak groups to harrass
viu30h [6k\]: hurray  that might mean were getting stream shortly
Gouda [?\]: say cheese
croc [-\]: K-16 too slow
croc [-\]: and Q-7's direction is questionable
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;B[pl]
;W[nj]C[Gouda [?\]: q8 looks good for b
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: harry is not EuroGoTV1 since a few hours, and I hope he'll be here shortly
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;B[np]C[SIscurge [5d\]: It looks like this game favours black
viu30h [6k\]: i guess b want to sacrifice o4 since lets say white pokes at n5 than moves to live in the corner    that would look not so good for b
viu30h [6k\]: since w has no points you mean?
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;W[ni]C[Pingu007 [3d\]: olivier : ça en est où motoki ilya?
Angelus [3d\]: motok a perdu
Pingu007 [3d\]: ok :(
Angelus [3d\]: dommage qu'il n'a pas été retransmis
bolbi [-\]: avec seulement 2 tables…
Angelus [3d\]: Debarre is playing against who ?
Laman [1d\]: Pavol Lisý
Angelus [3d\]: ok
bolbi [-\]: http://www.egc2012.eu/congress/main-tournaments/open-european-championship/main-3-temporary-pairings-top-10
Eventy [7k\]: y a-t-il des Kifusde disponibles  pour les parties non retransmises ?
bolbi [-\]: va sur le site que je viens d'indiquer ou regarde les comptes eurogotv1 et 2
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;B[qq]C[bolbi [-\]: ah, désolé, non
Eventy [7k\]: ^^ pas grave, merci 
bolbi [-\]: je t'en prie
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is offline for the moment, but is being recorded
SIscurge [5d\]: Black strikes
Eventy [7k\]: vidéo sur quel site ? :o
TurtleDove [4k\]: wow, looks like B got this corner and W still needs n11 gote
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: eurogotv.com
viu30h [6k\]: isnt b playing very very very dangerous here?  i mean white can let b live in the corner than move to cut off o4 where are the q7 stones getting there shape from?
TurtleDove [4k\]: q4 dies
viu30h [6k\]: how can q4 die? it just got a gazillion big forcing move factory
SIscurge [5d\]: sometime better to die then to force evrything and live ;)
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;W[pq]
;B[qp]
;W[qo]C[psychopus [5k\]: only in club games does W have 2 eyes written on the underside of each stone
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;B[ro]C[viu30h [6k\]: hey next time could you let the camer stay online when people get their lunch?
TurtleDove [4k\]: yes, we want to see what they eat for lunch 
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;W[im]C[viu30h [6k\]: they wont be at the table when lucht time
TurtleDove [4k\]: ah, you mean on the table, sorry
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;B[kn]
;W[lo]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: W n11 must be 15+ points gote. I wouldn't be able to resist
viu30h [6k\]: n11 is for when b isnt worried dieng anymore     as long as hes worried has not time to play n11 himself
TurtleDove [4k\]: dunno, n11 makes q10 not alive
ronnyss [3k\]: n11 seems to me more like 30 points
LeonEuler [5k\]: just the tail
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;B[ko]
;W[lp]C[viu30h [6k\]: lets say b n11 now and white j4 something i think white is good with that exchange
viu30h [6k\]: so i thing b no time for n11 atm
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;B[mm]
;W[lm]C[SIscurge [5d\]: this is getting out of hand
cucaiduong [?\]: for B?
viu30h [6k\]: wheres the whole b group gonna live if white survives his cutting stones
viu30h [6k\]: h5 area doesnt look like a nice running direction
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;B[ll]
;W[jq]C[viu30h [6k\]: hmm seems the hopes of getting stream today look slim
cucaiduong [?\]: w still has a cut at N11
viu30h [6k\]: right now the whole group is in trouble
viu30h [6k\]: if b ignores at n11 i think its all gonna die
viu30h [6k\]: just anoffardable for b to play n11 so white can take his time to play n11
viu30h [6k\]: if b jumps out now i  wonder if double hane the corner is biggest or trying to surround
cjalden [2k\]: ten moves ago you thought B was dangerous.  Take a breath and relax
TurtleDove [4k\]: good game. I can't read whether q10 lives after B n11
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;B[ip]
;W[no]
;B[mi]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: ooh and aah :)
]
;W[pk]
;B[oo]
;W[po]
;B[op]
;W[rn]
;B[rp]
;W[qn]C[viu30h [6k\]: i said r3 was dangerous from b   so i didnt change my view in any way -.-
cjalden [2k\]: no, you just repeated it about 8 times
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cornel has 1h 7mn left, Ondrej has 32mn
kuikentje [3d\]: the end of the game might become hectic for him...
kuikentje [3d\]: 2 hours for the first 80 moves, that doesn't sound right
]
;B[nr]
;W[pr]C[kuikentje [3d\]: no to mention the game took a turn for the worse ^^
Muramasa [1k\]: L3 >?
TurtleDove [4k\]: who wins a lib race between m4 and o4 ?
sssw: black win
nahual [2k\]: w win
Cysnx [4k\]: igowin.
viu30h [6k\]: SE always wins
royu [4d\]: windows
cucaiduong [?\]: i wins
cucaiduong [?\]: i bet for W
Laman [1d\]: go, Mano!
MrZNF [6d\]: who is Mano
Gouda [?\]: why not p4 at s6?
Laman [1d\]: Ondřej Šilt
]
;B[lq]C[cjalden [2k\]: If B just gives up corner and captures m4, where else does W have any terr?
TurtleDove [4k\]: is r3 dead or does he have hopes against q3 ?
royu [4d\]: w+r
mpepe16 [6d\]: Already?
]
;W[kp]C[goBum [1k\]: ohh b dieing
]
;B[iq]C[goBum [1k\]: or is it W lol
]
;W[mq]C[viu30h [6k\]: maybe giant seki or somethin
Laman [1d\]: both dying
goBum [1k\]: O_O
cjalden [2k\]: m2?
royu [4d\]: b lost
]
;B[mp]
;W[ir]
;B[hr]C[SIscurge [5d\]: whats the time? 5 hours elapsed
TurtleDove [4k\]: they had 1 hr lunch
SIscurge [5d\]: ah so no one in byoyomi?
kuikentje [3d\]: for black it's getting close I suppose
kuikentje [3d\]: but better wait for Eurogotv to confirm
sssw: b m3 misstake
]
;W[kr]C[sssw: b s8 good
sssw: w win
sssw: now
SIscurge [5d\]: why m3 mistake?
viu30h [6k\]: its a guest its like he said nothing or never even existed
ronnyss [3k\]: w win in ko fight?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cornel has 59mn left, ondrej has 9mn
]
;B[mo]C[quickloss [2d\]: N5 seems like aji keshi :(. maybe M2 better
ronnyss [3k\]: anybody remember last year game silt vs dinerstein?
Laman [1d\]: i do
alexrix [?\]: yes
]
;W[hq]C[cjalden [2k\]: simply h3 now?
]
;B[rl]C[cjalden [2k\]: yes
litlecolek [1d\]: s 2 and b resign
odif [4k\]: i dont who won
Muramasa [1k\]: n2 ?
goBum [1k\]: kill everything!
Namii [7d\]: B aiming at Q10 group too but O4 is not safe either tbh
goBum [1k\]: is video working now?
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;W[rr]C[viu30h [6k\]: doesnt look like it
Muramasa [1k\]: so, bleack mast m2 ?
]
;B[qi]C[ronnyss [3k\]: s11?
SIscurge [5d\]: dont forget S7 is sente
ronnyss [3k\]: thx
Cassis0 [5d\]: cornel must have an headache
viu30h [6k\]: i dont think silts head is free of headache either
quary: do u know when Mateusz Surma is playing today?
viu30h [6k\]: right now
ronnyss [3k\]: he lost
quary: may I ask where could i find the sgf file?
SIscurge [5d\]: eurogotv1
quary: cheers
quary: :)
murrmurr [5d\]: http://files.gokgs.com/games/2012/7/24/EuroGoTV1.sgf
mpepe16 [6d\]: Burnel dead here?
]
;W[pi]
;B[rm]C[murrmurr [5d\]: i think alive
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;W[nh]C[Nschotschi [-\]: Burnel ^^
murrmurr [5d\]: hmm
quary: thank you very much murrmurr
Cassis0 [5d\]: w has a chance
Nschotschi [-\]: seems lively to me
martin97 [2k\]: lively xD
mpepe16 [6d\]: s7 wrong timing?
murrmurr [5d\]: those three black stones aren't really important here?
murrmurr [5d\]: although black might die here outside anyway
mpepe16 [6d\]: Its not about the 3 stones
murrmurr [5d\]: cant really ignore that
martin97 [2k\]: t6 and win happily xD
martin3141 [-\]: black must play j6 at some point
viu30h [6k\]: t6 and get killed on the outside you mean xD
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;B[in]C[TurtleDove [4k\]: heh, we had this group running before with it's tail cut off :) 
Draxt [2k\]: t6 ?
semplice [3d?\]: t6 best
ereaew: J8 in sente then white G3 also sente
semplice [3d?\]: peep k8 first
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;W[sn]C[Wagaboo [4k\]: hi !
melanija7 [4k\]: time left?
Wagaboo [4k\]: b is winning !
Draxt [2k\]: is he ?
ereaew: b. lost
semplice [3d?\]: se is wrong again
Draxt [2k\]: b need to add a move on l7 ?
bombur14 [2d\]: J8 doesnt look like sente
semplice [3d?\]: h12 is sente
Moongrass [4k\]: Draxt: i don't see why
ReneGo [24k?\]: who won other game?
Wagaboo [4k\]: is b dragon alive....
Draxt [2k\]: to avoid being chased ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ondrej enters 1x60s byo yomi
Moongrass [4k\]: leads to self-atari
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cornel has 43mn left
Nschotschi [-\]: b tenuki and w s10 kills?
SIkachnak [3d\]: only 1 byoyomi?
SIkachnak [3d\]: thats tough
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;B[is]
;W[jr]C[cjalden [2k\]: m2 is 2nd eye for B
Nschotschi [-\]: ah yes
]
;B[gq]
;W[hp]C[SIscurge [5d\]: what?
semplice [3d?\]: what is b doing???
]
;B[gp]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: s12 connects black right?
]
;W[ho]C[MrZNF [6d\]: b trying to resign
SIkachnak [3d\]: i hope black has a plan
MrZNF [6d\]: but not finding the resign button
MrZNF [6d\]: and he doesn´t want to lose on time
Wagaboo [4k\]: hi mr ZNF :D
MrZNF [6d\]: hi
SIscurge [5d\]: black isnt even losin'
mpepe16 [6d\]: I always like useful comments
Draxt [2k\]: f2 seems the only fllow up
cjalden [2k\]: seems living in sente
MrZNF [6d\]: if he wasn´t, I think he is now
]
;B[fr]C[Syu [1k\]: in egc they need a button to resign?
]
;W[io]C[farhan [1k\]: best plan is this
MrZNF [6d\]: black killing of his middle group, I guess he meant to sacrifice it
Wagaboo [4k\]: j8 
MrZNF [6d\]: looks questionable
DariusA [3d\]: not dead yet :p
MrZNF [6d\]: I think it is dead now
MrZNF [6d\]: w can tenuki
adwue [3k\]: b h6
Moongrass [4k\]: agreed
Susaku [13k\]: what is this mess of stones?!
DariusA [3d\]: J9
viu30h [6k\]: m11 might be dead or very close to it
farhan [1k\]: H6  or J8
semplice [3d?\]: w+ time
]
;B[nk]
;W[ok]C[viu30h [6k\]: and white has no worries in the world beside not having territory when b lives
Susaku [13k\]: most of black is dead already
Moongrass [4k\]: no
Mitchell [11k\]: if white M2 can black make a second eye with R9?
Draxt [2k\]: h6 ?
]
;B[hn]
;W[go]C[christmas [5d\]: i say yes
bombur14 [2d\]: after M2 the L4 group also 1-eyed
]
;B[fp]
;W[jl]C[Draxt [2k\]: ouch time
viu30h [6k\]: first tournament byo yomi i see and no stream -.-
christmas [5d\]: but whire has alot of potentual territory, such as n13, r11
Susaku [13k\]: unless w o3's and not m2
DariusA [3d\]: b dead indeed
christmas [5d\]: sorry i meant potential
]
;B[kl]C[oonicks [?\]: i like w style atm.
]
;W[fo]C[martin97 [2k\]: f5
farhan [1k\]: DariusA : I#m not so sure about black being dead
martin97 [2k\]: ah xD
shusai [2k\]: Ilya game not broadcast?
christmas [5d\]: even if l9 not dead f2 will be
Backflash [6k\]: ilya won
bolbi [-\]: ilya won to Motoki
DariusA [3d\]: if bsaves F2 then b center is dead
Susaku [13k\]: a 10 second glance at the game w will win by a lot from what I can see. The w potential is too much, though given there is lots of poits not even messed with on the top left and left sides
oonicks [?\]: its a very dangerous style, b allways has to look for defence and territory
]
;B[eo]C[shusai [2k\]: ty
semplice [3d?\]: woop
DariusA [3d\]: G7
]
;W[gm]C[Susaku [13k\]: good move w!
DariusA [3d\]: omg i'm too strong
farhan [1k\]: E5 was mistake
Mitchell [11k\]: lol
Susaku [13k\]: ladder works for b so it was needed
martin97 [2k\]: too obvious xD
SIscurge [5d\]: N14 connection has P14 eye follow up ;-)
DariusA [3d\]: E5 was saving F2 group farhan
christmas [5d\]: if black not e5 then he does not have enough territory
Susaku [13k\]: e5 don't save anything without a followup
Moongrass [4k\]: wrong again, susaku
oonicks [?\]: joke is: farhan you are right g7 is a mistake:)
DariusA [3d\]: susaku  your comments are so cute ! ^ ^
Mitchell [11k\]: ouch
farhan [1k\]: where was whites territory if black escapes
Susaku [13k\]: hehe =3 True but I can read, e5 don't save a living group
HandA [1k\]: disconnect?
ZhengZheng [4k\]: ...
oonicks [?\]: see:) he knows
Narayana [2k?\]: :O
Moongrass [4k\]: apparently you cant read
martin97 [2k\]: j9
royu [4d\]: here's a crazy question, can b win even if entire l8 dragon dies?
Draxt [2k\]: eurgotv2 gave up before the players ?
orro [1k\]: Ondrej escaped
DariusA [3d\]: it was not living susaku   without E5 w would have played E3 then b would be dead
salty [2d\]: game over ?
Susaku [13k\]: not at a dan level but in my rank yes
Draxt [2k\]: seems doable
Minjhou [-\]: g3 was not live, susaku
DariusA [3d\]: no losing center is way too big
cjalden [2k\]: 10-second glance is enough reading and analysis?  The players have been looking at the board for 4 hours
ZhengZheng [4k\]: susaku listen to a 3d, it's simply dead
DariusA [3d\]: w's game
farhan [1k\]: E3 E2 then what ?
Draxt [2k\]: but we are stronger cjalden
cjalden [2k\]: good point
martin97 [2k\]: yes, dead
JEGO [7k\]: no eurogotv video now?
christmas [5d\]: e3 e2 then d3
martin97 [2k\]: euro will show how xD
viu30h [6k\]: nah since the lunch break no video
christmas [5d\]: e3 e2 d3
Mitchell [11k\]: e3, e2, e4, g2, d2?
grumpyjoe [-\]: why b make g3 group heavy when middle is weak?
martin97 [2k\]: if b kills corner maybe interesting again xD
Warlord [-\]: in what world is G3 heavy?
JEGO [7k\]: O-O the cameraman are always at lunch it seems
Minjhou [-\]: in thw WoW
oonicks [?\]: g7 is actually fine. poor b
bluecrayon [3k?\]: resignation or disconnect?
oonicks [?\]: also wonder
Laman [1d\]: disconnect
Susaku [13k\]: d2
viu30h [6k\]: nah the problem is that they turned the camera off and eurogotv2 appearently is a minion that is not under the chosen ones shown the ancient art of filming and broadcasting
Backflash [6k\]: and res too my guess
bluecrayon [3k?\]: looks resignable for b
Minjhou [-\]: resign would be announced
semplice [3d?\]: too early for resign
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;B[mf]
;W[lg]
;B[mg]
;W[rk]C[semplice [3d?\]: ah
]
;B[rj]
;W[sk]C[Narayana [2k?\]: *cheer*
]
;B[me]
;W[le]
;B[rh]C[SIkachnak [3d\]: go black!!!
Draxt [2k\]: n2 ??
DariusA [3d\]: just N9
oonicks [?\]: agree to early yes, but sometimes people resign to early, how is the time for each player?
SIkachnak [3d\]: n2 --*r9
]
;W[mk]C[viu30h [6k\]: b is in byo yomi
Draxt [2k\]: missed r9 my boss keep taking to mee !!!
Backflash [6k\]: Silt knows when to resign
klausP [5d?\]: why did b play the g3 sequence first?
Susaku [13k\]: i see... I would be too if I had to read through this
SIkachnak [3d\]: this black dragon looks cooked...
DariusA [3d\]: cuz he thought he could survive in the center klaus
klausP [5d?\]: hm
shusai [2k\]: k5
SIscurge [5d\]: p12 good sente
]
;B[hm]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]C[DariusA [3d\]: P12 doesn't give life tho
]
;W[gn]C[daniug [2d\]: w has 2 eyes on the left side
]
;B[jn]C[Rocker [5d\]: daniug!
]
;W[fl]C[oonicks [?\]: w m9 kills even with p13 sente but moves that threaten life are ofcourse possible.
Nschotschi [-\]: b is dying?
Mitchell [11k\]: J9?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b resigns
Rocker [5d\]: no
semplice [3d?\]: over
Minjhou [-\]: b is dead
Moongrass [4k\]: k6 was a wasted move
HandA [1k\]: gg
DariusA [3d\]: ok
HandA [1k\]: B + R
DariusA [3d\]: thx eurogotv2
Laman [1d\]:  T.T
TurtleDove [4k\]: epic game. thanks EGTV2
gnarf [1k\]: thx eurogotv
HandA [1k\]: W+R
SIscurge [5d\]: noooooooooooo
Minjhou [-\]: cheers Cornel
farhan [1k\]: H9
farhan [1k\]: interesting
monkRudy [2k\]: well done Cornel!!!!
SIscurge [5d\]: Cornel... first you took out Viktor now Ondrej !! grrr
Susaku [13k\]: a b d2 has some potential
Rocker [5d\]: is b dutch?
Draxt [2k\]: f4 lost game ?
Laman [1d\]: b is Czech
SnC [2k\]: b lost
viu30h [6k\]: lol does that mean now cornel is possible ilya killer or silt is ruled aout as possible ilya killer
Susaku [13k\]: d2 e4 g2 e2 e1 c2 
mpepe16 [6d\]: Still a long tournament.
viu30h [6k\]: in which case no western ilya killers left right?
gnarf [1k\]: still some round before play-off
Rocker [5d\]: why i ve never seen slovak players while many from czech play here!?
Susaku [13k\]: with my reading e5 is not needed XD
Susaku [13k\]: but might not be 100%
Rocker [5d\]: comoon
Warlord [-\]: slovak players are invisible ninjas
Laman [1d\]: Czechs are more numerous and stronger. but Pavol Lisý 5d is a strong Slovak playing at EGC
Rocker [5d\]: ok!
viu30h [6k\]: germans doing horrible
farhan [1k\]: I wished you'd concentrate more on the game than on nationalities
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they are also commenting. video should be online soon
viu30h [6k\]: commenting?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
viu30h [6k\]: cool
viu30h [6k\]: btw do you know if eurogotv will record any of the pro lectures that will be?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not sure, but harry does have an extra cam
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i just arrived yesterday night
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'll ask
Sakeus [9k\]: i doubt it there were no videos of pro lessons for years :D
viu30h [6k\]: harry has 5cams and 4 laptops
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: bye
Susaku [13k\]: e3 e2 d3 d2 e5 c3 c4 b3 b4 a4 a5 a3 k1 h1 g1 f1 e1 e5 g9 f9 if b has no e5 does this work?
Susaku [13k\]: w to play first
learngofan [-\]: makes no sense
profan [-\]: still playng?
Octopussie [7k\]: b resign
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