(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[60]OT[3x30 byo-yomi] GN[Prokop-Simara, round2 board1]PW[Jan Prokop (krabicka)]PB[Jan Simara (flashback)]WR[5d]BR[5d]DT[2011-10-08]EV[Prague, CZ, Games Festival]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/] ;B[pd] ;W[dp] ;B[pq] ;W[dd] ;B[qk] ;W[mp] ;B[po] ;W[jp] ;B[nc] ;W[dj] ;B[fc] ;W[df] ;B[id] ;W[db] ;B[cq]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: n14 Uberdude [4d?\]: do it! ] ;W[cp] ;B[dq] ;W[eq] ;B[er] ;W[fq] ;B[fr] ;W[gq] ;B[bp] ;W[bo] ;B[bq] ;W[cn]C[brookgo [9k\]: n2 Uberdude [4d?\]: n2 oo early brookgo [9k\]: ok ipmyangel [?\]: K10 Uberdude [4d?\]: r15 bigger Uberdude [4d?\]: j13 could be fun brookgo [9k\]: m16 Uberdude [4d?\]: m16 slow Uberdude [4d?\]: n6 another possibiliy Uberdude [4d?\]: though w will then q10 ] ;B[ok]C[dosaku [2k?\]: moyo contest, guess white needs to invade ? Uberdude [4d?\]: s15 standard ricedragon [2k\]: y is s15 better than s16? Uberdude [4d?\]: s15 says you want the side Uberdude [4d?\]: which i think w wants here Uberdude [4d?\]: if s16 b may push you into corner Uberdude [4d?\]: with s16 s14 ricedragon [2k\]: k ricedragon [2k\]: thx Uberdude [4d?\]: if you insist on coming out after s14 Uberdude [4d?\]: you get attacked evanj [-\]: and you deserve it, may i add ] ;W[lj]C[ChoU [2k\]: M10 nice move asdaad: the center is too big, black needs to reduce now i think Uberdude [4d?\]: was p9 too conservative Uberdude [4d?\]: this kind of moyo game so hard ChoU [2k\]: mutual destruction seems only way yes Uberdude [4d?\]: a mistake at this stage can be 15 points asdaad: i made rough count, w doesnt need many points in center Frankowski [?\]: tengen? ChoU [2k\]: yeah asdaad: call me crazy but i think of a move like m11 Uberdude [4d?\]: c12 Uberdude [4d?\]: send in the paratroopers ChoU [2k\]: m11 w consevative could win asdaad: c12 i am afraid because there are many chouces white can react, hard to predict evanj [-\]: m11 is crazy ] ;B[jf]C[evanj [-\]: i think the problem with c12 is that w will not protect against that now ] ;W[re]C[evanj [-\]: it's too slow to do so asdaad: nice order of moves, first reduce then invade ! ChoU [2k\]: K14 slow? ChoU [2k\]: w get sente to come in asdaad: as black i would be a bit afraid if w trys to lock the center with move like j13 evanj [-\]: the central question of games like this is always: what can the opponent accomplish with one move BD96 [3d\]: i think S15 is too small ] ;B[qd] ;W[rd] ;B[rc] ;W[rb] ;B[qc]C[ChoU [2k\]: really? Frankowski [?\]: what is your move instead of s15? asdaad: if w trys to live here i doubt he will be able to develop the center ChoU [2k\]: could end up gote for life BD96 [3d\]: hmm i donnu BD96 [3d\]: many choices BD96 [3d\]: maybe im wrong BD96 [3d\]: maybe s15 the best ] ;W[qh]C[evanj [-\]: oh don't back down BD96 [3d\]: lol evanj [-\]: rule 1 of kibitz: never admit error asdaad: haha not only in kibitz ;p BD96 [3d\]: M10 looks too lonely for me BD96 [3d\]: but when i think about it maybe adding another move would be too small evanj [-\]: counterinvasion time asdaad: s13 ? evanj [-\]: maybe after one forcing move evanj [-\]: don't try to kill this, that's bad news ChoU [2k\]: D12? ChoU [2k\]: after k12 looks temting ] ;B[oh]C[ChoU [2k\]: K14* asdaad: r14 BD96 [3d\]: choose a side BD96 [3d\]: b or w ? evanj [-\]: b evanj [-\]: since he has one more stone on the board evanj [-\]: but seriously, b ] ;W[qj]C[ChoU [2k\]: R10 looks tricky evanj [-\]: i dion't see the downside to q10 ChoU [2k\]: attempt to keep sente? moyoAGA1k [1d\]: attempt to live? ChoU [2k\]: live in sente moyoAGA1k [1d\]: attempt to live in sente moyoAGA1k [1d\]: :-) moyoAGA1k [1d\]: s10 if he thinks he can kill moyoAGA1k [1d\]: q10 if he wants sente asdaad: b must not play any slack moves asdaad: i think s10 is most severe although there are some shape problems, i would go for it Greyish [2d\]: w will resist with a ko, not the ideal situation ] ;B[pj] ;W[pi] ;B[oi] ;W[rk]C[Greyish [2d\]: here goes ChoU [2k\]: smelling ko asdaad: black cant lose that ko asdaad: would lose too much ] ;B[rj] ;W[ri] ;B[qi] ;W[ie] ;B[je] ;W[qj] ;B[sj]C[Greyish [2d\]: w can fill asdaad: but if he does asdaad: why start the ko in the first place moyoAGA1k [1d\]: white will end in gote asdaad: and play aji keshi at top ? Greyish [2d\]: i mean now that b has played t10 asdaad: w must fight ko , but i think its mistake he started it, its too big ] ;W[hd]C[Greyish [2d\]: w can live small here, could be enough asdaad: w wants to create some threats ChoU [2k\]: gote life :( at that stage Greyish [2d\]: true asdaad: this is really difficult asdaad: maybe the ko was very good for w after all ? asdaad: because its hard for black to remove all the aji with one move evanj [-\]: wow w must really not have liked the way this game was going evanj [-\]: he just dropped a cluster bomb all over everything asdaad: i think its good, i had thought living in gote at top right felt slow, this ko may be exactly what white needed evanj [-\]: well b is clearly flummoxed asdaad: well one thing i am sure, black cant afford to lose the ko no matter what ] ;B[qi] ;W[ic] ;B[jd]C[evanj [-\]: b can always s8 ] ;W[hc] ;B[ph]C[ChoU [2k\]: ko is over now, w got its profit up asdaad: but black too ChoU [2k\]: Q12? ] ;W[hg]C[ChoU [2k\]: i didnt expect asdaad: m10 is in no good position now evanj [-\]: maybe but b is overconcentrated ChoU [2k\]: but very thick asdaad: k10 ? evanj [-\]: _too_ thick Frankowski [?\]: k8 ChoU [2k\]: c12? evanj [-\]: thickness that doesn't really help against w's moyo the way it should ] ;B[ji]C[asdaad: it helps a bit i think not against the moyo, but against w trying to live in lower right probably evanj [-\]: yes but that's not what b wants his thickness to be useful for evanj [-\]: we are vociferously agreeing with one another asdaad: it s better then nothing ;p ChoU [2k\]: with L18 yose move, top is quite big for w Uberdude [4d?\]: but it should be a lot better than nothing Uberdude [4d?\]: as white killed f17 on a large scale Uberdude [4d?\]: which is >> nothing ] ;W[kb]C[asdaad: yea but dont forget, s15 got swallowed up by black too ChoU [2k\]: :) ChoU [2k\]: yose now? ] ;B[kk]C[basil [3d\]: l9 asdaad: now he can use his thicknes Uberdude [4d?\]: l9 one line smaller than k9 ChoU [2k\]: b wants cash Frankowski [?\]: stop playing go and go job! ] ;W[mc]C[asdaad: gotta love it when two player tenuki each other asdaad: c12 invasion seems good timing if it works ? ChoU [2k\]: they like this part of the board only Bazoldii [5k\]: what does "good timing if it works" mean... asdaad: if it doesnt get killed basil [3d\]: c12 too deep asdaad: but where else, c12 has a chance to make a base for eyes asdaad: almost any other invasion point seems no good basil [3d\]: reduce instead ] ;B[md] ;W[ld]C[asdaad: but if w plays one more move in this area all aji is gone, and i think most would agree a invasion at c12 although it looks greedy there is much aji there still ? ChoU [2k\]: reduce? where? F11? Uberdude [4d?\]: c12 is harder now f17 dead and w got h13 basil [3d\]: f11 too deep ] ;B[le]C[Goprince [3d\]: o18 asdaad: that shape would look too funny ChoU [2k\]: looks bad ChoU [2k\]: for w ] ;W[nd] ;B[me]C[basil [3d\]: as for how to reduce the left... maybe g10? not really sure. Darius00 [3d\]: c10 basil [3d\]: n6 also looks nice ChoU [2k\]: i think it s bigger to invade as to reduce ChoU [2k\]: b is so thick... Darius00 [3d\]: not too hard to invade i think asdaad: when choosing the proper reduction one has to keep in mind the balance of points, i think black doesnt need to reduce too much asdaad: yea Darius00 [3d\]: asdaad i real killer doesn't care about the balance of points asdaad: b about 70 p w about 70 + moyo Darius00 [3d\]: b needs to invade asdaad: i am not sure Darius00 [3d\]: but w has sente anyway asdaad: i think he can win with reduction ] ;W[hj]C[ChoU [2k\]: w is picking some nuts up basil [3d\]: c10 looks very bogus ChoU [2k\]: a finally asdaad: that s what i meant, now c12 surely to fail Darius00 [3d\]: now c10 a little bit hard to play Goprince [3d\]: p17 o18 q18 p16 p19 o15 o19 q17 r18 for later asdaad: but before i had hopes that there was something basil [3d\]: before too asdaad: c10 surly not work Darius00 [3d\]: there was more open space before h10 asdaad: no ladders asdaad: completly sourroned lower side white thick asdaad: white just need to hane then extend ChoU [2k\]: b is going to try anyway asdaad: white top side play was yose i think Kanin [-\]: don't need to, I think asdaad: black should have tenukid it ChoU [2k\]: what else could he do? Goprince [3d\]: it is already yose asdaad: if i were black i would try to play some move against lower 2 white stones asdaad: to help reduce deeper ChoU [2k\]: N2? asdaad: k5 ? ChoU [2k\]: i would better try a L4 Darius00 [3d\]: what is k5 ? lol asdaad: dont get many forcing moves out of it i think ChoU [2k\]: but i dont believe it works EpicPhail [1k\]: b can live on the left side Goprince [3d\]: of course basil [3d\]: might as well throw a stone in there now that reduction is no longer an option ChoU [2k\]: Yeah epic they say no but i would try it Darius00 [3d\]: now it would be an epic fail~ ] ;B[dg]C[asdaad: haha ChoU [2k\]: yeah ChoU [2k\]: not my idea exactly but well ] ;W[cf]C[asdaad: this exchange beforeh10 would have been nice Uberdude [4d?\]: someone call cho chikun asdaad: even myself would have been sure that i could have done something as black here ^^ Goprince [3d\]: h14 Darius00 [3d\]: h14 g14 Goprince [3d\]: g13 ChoU [2k\]: c10 asdaad: i think black missed the timing for invasion ] ;B[hf]C[asdaad: before h10 it was not bad Goprince [3d\]: this was probe nto invasion Goprince [3d\]: b thinks ponuki is enough to live in there Goprince [3d\]: might get ugly ] ;W[gf]C[asdaad: i hope it does Goprince [3d\]: g14 h12 g15 j14 f14 ] ;B[hi]C[Goprince [3d\]: oh ] ;W[gi] ;B[gj]C[asdaad: black surprising me with his combinations ] ;W[ii]C[Goprince [3d\]: ko! asdaad: i think w can just connect ko Goprince [3d\]: or maybe just extend for w ] ;B[hk]C[asdaad: black shape will be cheese Goprince [3d\]: not conect Kanin [-\]: if B try to play J10 w will extend at H9 Kanin [-\]: no, ko ] ;W[hh] ;B[ij]C[asdaad: surly connect ? Goprince [3d\]: connect is so lame asdaad: its too big ] ;W[hi] ;B[ik] ;W[jh] ;B[ki] ;W[fj]C[ChoU [2k\]: lower side coming... asdaad: i am not sure but i think that was good for black ? ] ;B[mb]C[Goprince [3d\]: sure now who isnt lazy and wants to count points? basil [3d\]: not it asdaad: n8 Kanin [-\]: I like w p3 asdaad: i would rather spend a move at lower side instead of top ] ;W[kh] ;B[lh]C[ChoU [2k\]: i like b N2 ] ;W[op] ;B[pp] ;W[gl] ;B[gk] ;W[fk]C[asdaad: if intead of n18 black answered f10 i was sure black had a comfortable endgame but now ] ;B[gr] ;W[hr]C[Archaic [2d\]: reason why this opponent is a challenge for Jan is because he is Jan also. basil [3d\]: m4 ] (;B[nr] ;W[or] ;B[oq] ;W[nq] ;B[pr]) (;B[mr] ;W[nr] ;B[nq] ;W[mq] ;B[or] ;W[lr] ;B[ns]C[asdaad: j8 ] ;W[jj] ;B[kj]C[Kanin [-\]: G8 probably bigger at P2 ] ;W[jl] ;B[jk] ;W[im]C[asdaad: w seems to be leading ? CZPrague1 [?\]: b in byoyomi ] ;B[kc]C[ChoU [2k\]: j2 h1 l2? asdaad: m7 ] ;W[jc] ;B[lb]C[ChoU [2k\]: m7 looks big yes ] ;W[ll]C[Nutah: that seemed like whites winning move... ] ;B[ln]C[asdaad: maybe we will witness a miracle Kanin [-\]: looks like close game ChoU [2k\]: b got the lower left corner, that makes me thinking he s ahead asdaad: i think w at least + 10 - 20 ] ;W[kl] ;B[mm] ;W[ml] ;B[lk] ;W[nm] ;B[nn]C[Nutah: uh now that I think about it... I guess it depends on how far w can invade b. ] ;W[lg]C[ChoU [2k\]: w has some bad aji here down CZPrague1 [?\]: just one 30s period left for b ] ;B[kg]C[ChoU [2k\]: and for w? asdaad: w should just play normal ? AshitaSan [5d\]: m11 n12 o9 ] ;W[nk] ;B[om] ;W[li]C[AshitaSan [5d\]: oh black ] ;B[mj]C[asdaad: now the deal is signed sinsai [4d\]: b lost AshitaSan [5d\]: seems b bet on a move like h7 then ] ;W[mh] ;B[mi]C[ChoU [2k\]: no time to play it :( asdaad: all hope is lost ] ;W[nf]C[asdaad: this is the finishing blow Darius00 [3d\]: ouch ] ;B[lh] ;W[li]C[asdaad: w steal all black territory ] ;B[of] ;W[ne] ;B[ng]C[asdaad: now even n17 aji still comes into play, what a cruel world ] ;W[mf] ;B[lf] ;W[mg] ;B[od]C[ChoU [2k\]: all this in sente.... asdaad: its not fair, but thats how it is Darius00 [3d\]: why not fair ? Darius00 [3d\]: b didn't read it that's all everything's fait Darius00 [3d\]: fair* ChoU [2k\]: L5? asdaad: well coz black already spend so many moves on top for n17 stone and it still had to give w sente at this point asdaad: doesnt feel right to me :p ] ;W[kq] ;B[nl]C[ChoU [2k\]: L3 is declaration of victory Darius00 [3d\]: u r too kind ] ;W[gs]C[asdaad: i just dont like to see either side get crushed, i think w leads very big now ] ;B[np] ;W[fs] ;B[dr]C[EpicPhail [1k\]: w+15 I guess ] ;W[ja] ;B[mo]C[asdaad: i say 25 + ;p CZPrague1 [?\]: w has just entered byoyomi Nutah: black on Q8 and everything is fine ] ;W[oe] ;B[pe]C[blurb1: strange b go down without fight ] ;W[nh] ;B[og]C[ChoU [2k\]: fighting where? blurb1: too late ] ;W[ko] ;B[kn] ;W[jn] ;B[lp] ;W[lq]C[Nutah: why not L6? ] ;B[lo] ;W[kp]C[Shibooboo [6k\]: why not zoidberg? Nutah: I see ] ;B[hq]C[Darius00 [3d\]: lol CZPrague1 [?\]: timesuji ] ;W[ir] ;B[ni] ;W[lh] ;B[mk] ;W[jg] ;B[he] ;W[ge] ;B[if] ;W[kf] ;B[ke] ;W[ap] ;B[br] ;W[ls]C[ChoU [2k\]: h8 ] ;B[ig] ;W[ih] ;B[es] ;W[hs] ;B[aq] ;W[ao] ;B[hl] ;W[hm] ;B[la] ;W[ms] ;B[dc] ;W[cc] ;B[gd] ;W[gc] ;B[fd] ;W[fb] ;B[eb]C[tadanobu [8k\]: aims at F11 ? ChoU [2k\]: aim at nothing ] ;W[gb] ;B[gg] ;W[fg] ;B[ec] ;W[ea] ;B[cb] ;W[da] ;B[ff] ;W[gh] ;B[fe] ;W[gg] ;B[fa] ;W[ga] ;B[bc] ;W[cd] ;B[bb] ;W[bd]C[AshitaSan [5d\]: what is b doing? ] ;B[jb] ;W[ib] ;B[ka]C[pppoe [?\]: yose TomoyaKun [2d\]: getting k18 in sente ] ;W[ef]C[hvcuk: b is losing is trying to do anithing ] (;B[jb]) (;B[ca] ;W[fa] ;B[jb]C[AshitaSan [5d\]: game over since long time ] ;W[ee]C[hvcuk: yep ] ;B[ia]C[EpicPhail [1k\]: o2 ] ;W[ed] ;B[nr] ;W[ha] ;B[il] ;W[ja] ;B[iq] ;W[jr] ;B[ia] ;W[oc] ;B[nb] ;W[ja] ;B[ep] ;W[eo] ;B[ia] ;W[cs] ;B[bs] ;W[ja] ;B[fp] ;W[gp] ;B[ia] ;W[jm] ;B[ja] ;W[kg] ;B[lm] ;W[lj] ;B[km]C[CZPrague1 [?\]: counting ChoU [2k\]: add or not? ChoU [2k\]: :) Javaness [2d\]: thanks for broadcasting AshitaSan [5d\]: gg krabicka CZPrague1 [?\]: W+6.5 CZPrague1 [?\]: the next round starts in 20 minutes shusai [4k\]: any website? sinsai [4d\]: w won by komi!! CZPrague1 [?\]: shusai, I am afrais there are no online results CZPrague1 [?\]: *afraid ])))