(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[1x30 byo-yomi]
GN[European Youth Championship 2011 under 20 board 1]PW[Viktor Lin]PB[Ali Jabarin]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2011-03-11]RO[1]PC[Brno, Czech Republic]US[HW9x9]C[GoShinobi [-\]: juhu viktor go !
GoShinobi [-\]: is this the 2. round ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, round 2
GoShinobi [-\]: are the results online ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet, soon
GoShinobi [-\]: ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: waiting for Viktor
GoShinobi [-\]: haha
taugenix [2d\]: any rsults online so far?
NorthWind [4k\]: I got picture of some bloke with a laptop chewing gum ..is this the right camera ?
]
;B[pd]C[dcs1: Go Viktor!
dcs1: Go Ali!
Chel1 [6k\]: go Ali )
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;W[dc]
;B[qp]C[GoShinobi [-\]: viiiiiiktooor !!!
KurataKun [11k\]: Its Kim!?!?1
Nickless [-\]: its Ali Jabarin
Nickless [-\]: not Jaberin
KurataKun [11k\]: right
KurataKun [11k\]: im from israel too
KurataKun [11k\]: :D
KurataKun [11k\]: like him
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;W[dp]
;B[oq]C[beoren [1k\]: lot of israeli fans here' me as well
glaza [1k\]: all of israel wishes ali will win this game including me
KurataKun [11k\]: right :)
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;W[qj]C[NorthWind [4k\]: here's a tip .. if you want picture of this game, choose Eurogotv2 camera not Eurogotv1 camera
]
;B[cn]C[dcs1: it looks like thier opponents from last round are playing each other
dcs1: 2 boards down
qrqr [3d\]: Ali measuring his opponent with his eyes :)
eerps [8k\]: could someone send a link pls
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;W[cl]C[psblue [4k\]: c5 is good for wN?
psblue [4k\]: white
dcs1: Ali knows rope-a-dope?
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;B[ce]C[Kayres [3k\]: that's miao, sitting next to viktor, right
gofreddy [3k\]: psblue I think not because B want d6
soulangel [4d\]: the link again pls
hermitek [10k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
soulangel [4d\]: thx
hansola [4k\]: eurogo, do you have a link for the stream?
NorthWind [4k\]: what he said
Guestguest [1k\]: d13 
Honeycake [3k\]: who is on eurogotv1 today?
soulangel [4d\]: yes it is lukas
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there are 2 streams
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;W[dg]C[Honeycake [3k\]: ing rules?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
hansola [4k\]: oh lord
Kanin [-\]: I can't understand how go players can shove their fingers down that bowl of stones and then suck on their fingers like Ali is doing, I just can'! :S
hansola [4k\]: why?
psblue [4k\]: D12 would have been better in relation with C8 ?
NorthWind [4k\]: clearly, the right side of the room is colder ... 2 people with hats and one wtih a scarf there
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am asorry for mixing up the cameras
gogadget [3k\]: he plays it in relation to d17 
SCBilly: ...
Kanin [-\]: does he not realize that every fourth person doesn't wash their hands after going to the bathroom? and the ratio is probably higher for go players...
dcs1: somebody is gonna float like a butterfly and sting like a bee
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;B[ee]C[evanj [3d\]: i'm with you kanin
blurb: maybe last player ate some tasty chocolate while playing:)
]
;W[fd]
;B[di]C[evanj [3d\]: hey who's the dude with the awesome hat
Kayres [3k\]: complicated already
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hat is Roman
gogadget [3k\]: this is basic
Kayres [3k\]: they all look soooo bored
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ruzahansky 2d
evanj [3d\]: do they call him roman ruzaHATsky? ba dum bum
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ruzhansky
evanj [3d\]: oh
NorthWind [4k\]: I guess Artem is not playing this week
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: artem has a week of
Headbiter [1d\]: how old is artem?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
NorthWind [4k\]: 18 or 19
SanekFree [4k\]: he born in 1992
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/pairing.php?lang=en
Fredda [-\]: alis name is actually ali babarin
Fredda [-\]: scribe please correct
Guestguest [1k\]: lol)
Kayres [3k\]: even jabarin is wrong?
evanj [3d\]: no it's right
evanj [3d\]: it's fine
Headbiter [1d\]: i never heard babarin
evanj [3d\]: hahah
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;W[dn]
;B[hd]C[evanj [3d\]: wow video is lagging
evanj [3d\]: i don't see why i can't have instant video transmission to my home from anywhere in the world for free
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: results 1st round: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/results.php?lang=en
ssc [1k\]: thx :)
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;W[gd]C[NorthWind [4k\]: oh, now tv2 turned up. this is confusing
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
evanj [3d\]: g16 is interesting
SenteProof [9k\]: where kgs get the moves from?
SenteProof [9k\]: eurogo tv is late
soulangel [4d\]: he is sitting next behind them
evanj [3d\]: it is an electronic board directly hooked up to kgs
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: how many seconds lag?
evanj [3d\]: well we won't know until somebody moves
SCBilly: ...
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;B[hc]C[Guestguest [1k\]: 13 sec minimum
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oeps
Kayres [3k\]: seems the camera makes em hell nervous
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thats a lot
JoostSpeed [6k\]: electronic board hooked up to kgs? =O
evanj [3d\]: yep
Headbiter [1d\]: what round of the tournament is it?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok; i will gp ofline for 20 seconds
evanj [3d\]: black and white stones have different voltages
JoostSpeed [6k\]: where are those boards sold?
NorthWind [4k\]: evanj enterprises
dcs1: off air???
Kayres [3k\]: in the internet
TemVir [15k\]: google is ur friend
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;W[ff]
;B[cg]C[evanj [3d\]: someone turned out the lights
Kayres [3k\]: :D
dcs1: back
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: better now?
dcs1: yeah
Kayres [3k\]: lights still off for me
]
;W[ld]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: reload
evanj [3d\]: refresh it
seikenguy [1d\]: Open your eyes.
pojki [5d\]: who is the broadcaster for this match?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: me
pojki [5d\]: hmm :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ;-)
hiss [-\]: EuroGoTV1 is
pojki [5d\]: okay I have my tip now :)
evanj [3d\]: lots of movign parts in this fuseki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the guy who forgat his backpack with 3 laptops yesterday in the train
Kanin [-\]: F18 slide, really big?
Headbiter [1d\]: w seems realy belligerent playing
Draxt [2k\]: really ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, i did
Draxt [2k\]: ouch
pojki [5d\]: ooh someone is playing with hat on his head? 8-o
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 hours later a go-player from Praque found it
pojki [5d\]: wow
Draxt [2k\]: lol that is luck
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in Praque, i was in Brno
evanj [3d\]: but the laptops were mysteriously missing i bet
Draxt [2k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, using them now
evanj [3d\]: they were replaced with chinese knockoffs then
JoostSpeed [6k\]: hmm, i found about netgoban, but those boards arent for sale yet..
evanj [3d\]: hi, joost, i was making (*$%& up
evanj [3d\]: there's a dude there with a laptop clickin the moves in
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://www.schaakengo.nl for go-stuff
NorthWind [4k\]: looks like every farm is going to be contested in this game
Kayres [3k\]: miao playing blitz as usual
evanj [3d\]: farm?
Guestguest [1k\]: d14?
evanj [3d\]: miao is an extremely good looking young man
Headbiter [1d\]: yea cant u see the rows of wheat and roads inbetween the fields?
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;B[df]C[NorthWind [4k\]: poetic licence :P
Headbiter [1d\]: lots of crop circles
JoostSpeed [6k\]: the thing you made up did bring up an interesting project evanj =P
evanj [3d\]: you're welcome
Kayres [3k\]: h14 k16
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;W[hf]C[sparki [4k\]: why did he play d 14?
]
;B[jd]C[evanj [3d\]: wow kayres you're amazing
Kayres [3k\]: i know
Headbiter [1d\]: d14 makes b group strong
dvvsvsa: kghin must stronger than these guys...
Kayres [3k\]: a lot stronger
dvvsvsa: kghin would crush them
Fredda [-\]: not at all
dvvsvsa: no?
Fredda [-\]: no
Fredda [-\]: in korea
Fredda [-\]: ali beat kghin in friendship game
NorthWind [4k\]: "european" is a clue
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i bet Ali would give kghin a black eye in 10 seconds
Fredda [-\]: :>
evanj [3d\]: if you're american when you go into a bathroom, and american when you come out of the bathroom, what are you while you're in the bathroom?
Jye [4k\]: european!
evanj [3d\]: correct
Sefirotj [7k\]: ?
Kayres [3k\]: nvm
Elitios [7k?\]: I'm sorry, but do they play on kgs? If so what are their pseudos?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white is Sandmann
qrqr [3d\]: black oohaah
Nickless [-\]: ali is OohAah
Elitios [7k?\]: ok, thank you very much
Kayres [3k\]: np
dvvsvsa: who said kghin would not win these guys?
evanj [3d\]: it was Fredda
evanj [3d\]: yell at him
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;W[kf]C[Fredda [-\]: lol
Griffin1 [22k\]: i was watching it live lol
Headbiter [1d\]: ali is very strong
Griffin1 [22k\]: are you the guy sitting directley next to them Euro?
evanj [3d\]: well, someday he'll be dead
Headbiter [1d\]: i would think he has a good chance to win the championship
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am behind the camera
evanj [3d\]: and then he won't be strong
Griffin1 [22k\]: oh ok
CatoMajor [1k\]: evanj, That's very buddhist of you.
dvvsvsa: name "ali" doesn't sound very european to me :)
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;B[fb]C[dvvsvsa: more arabic
Azael [1d\]: :D
bolbi [-\]: …
Kayres [3k\]: semitic
dvvsvsa: same thing?
bolbi [-\]: this is not the place to talk about that
Kayres [3k\]: fruits and apples same thing?
]
;W[ec]C[bolbi [-\]: please
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Manest [6k\]: ali is from israel
NorthWind [4k\]: I see the plan now .. they want as few points as possible so that it is easier to count
cherisse [-\]: ali please sit properly so i can get a good screeshot =.=
Manest [6k\]: israel is arabic country so... 
Sefirotj [7k\]: lol
Sefirotj [7k\]: troll
Headbiter [1d\]: bolby break out the bold
Sefirotj [7k\]: windows is better than mac
dvvsvsa: nationality of one of the players is forbidden, because his name sounds arabic?
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;B[qf]C[dvvsvsa: only on kgs...
evanj [3d\]: no, sefirotj, this is how you do it:
evanj [3d\]: breakfast is not a real pro
cherisse [-\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Sefirotj [7k\]: ^^
dvvsvsa: but he did a lot for Go in europe
evanj [3d\]: why is everyone raising their eyebrows
Kayres [3k\]: l17
Kayres [3k\]: w seems a little overconcentrated?
evanj [3d\]: hye transcriber wake up
bolbi [-\]: gone
Headbiter [1d\]: this tenuki is horrible for w
Headbiter [1d\]: if w cant kill
Kayres [3k\]: yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: huh
evanj [3d\]: l17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: did i miss something?
Draxt [2k\]: r7 
evanj [3d\]: i can see it frmo here
Kayres [3k\]: yes, l17 :p
evanj [3d\]: and i'm like 5000 miles away
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;W[kc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Kayres [3k\]: huh where are you at?
evanj [3d\]: what's the timing here?
Draxt [2k\]: well he forgot 3 laptop in a train so forgetting a move seems fair :p
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
evanj [3d\]: yeah, good point
NeHHaSs [12k\]: if w tenuki which one the best move for b
Headbiter [1d\]: its b move now
evanj [3d\]: oh, apparently i'm only 4010 miles away
Kayres [3k\]: i thought so
NeHHaSs [12k\]: if w dont play l 17
Kayres [3k\]: eastcoast!
cherisse [-\]: b looks dead already D:
Headbiter [1d\]: if w dont play l17 then b should wait until w plays a move
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;B[ke]C[Headbiter [1d\]: u lose if you play 2 move in a row
Warfreak2 [4d\]: gooooo vicky!
evanj [3d\]: how do you know, i could be in india, or siberia, or greenland
Kayres [3k\]: u aren't
evanj [3d\]: or tanzania
NorthWind [4k\]: only in our dreams evanj
evanj [3d\]: how do you know i'm not the strongest go player in tanzania
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;W[le]
;B[jf]C[tywin [2d?\]: The internet is watching you, evanj. Best not to fight it.
Kayres [3k\]: stream very slow again :x
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
cherisse [-\]: is there a solution?
Kayres [3k\]: np i can say again if you want
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
]
;W[jg]
;B[kg]
;W[lf]
;B[ig]
;W[jh]
;B[if]C[Griffin1 [22k\]: wtf was that you?
Kayres [3k\]: hahahah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Lukas
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Kreamer
chibisai [1k\]: :D
Griffin1 [22k\]: haha
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ae
CatoMajor [1k\]: Kreamer :D
psblue [4k\]: now white has 2 running groups and one week stone at R10 :(
tywin [2d?\]: ?
Headbiter [1d\]: r10 is not weak really
alfi [5k\]: nobody is talking, still impressive
NorthWind [4k\]: haha, here comes kghin to watch the game :)
evanj [3d\]: wait what happened oh my god i missed it
Kayres [3k\]: you could also not start to watch again
psblue [4k\]: it need a friend at R7 or P10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Headbiter [1d\]: if it cant have a friend at one it can make a friend at the other
evanj [3d\]: r10 is not a weak stone at all, get that thought out of your head
psblue [4k\]: :)
Bauer [1d\]: w only has one weak group, not very weak
SCBilly: ...
Headbiter [1d\]: w has a weak grup and its pretty weak 
Headbiter [1d\]: cause the other groups are strong around it
Kayres [3k\]: w played b16?
evanj [3d\]: yes
Kayres [3k\]: ok
evanj [3d\]: painful move
Kayres [3k\]: w wanted to enclose b but failed somehow
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;W[bd]
;B[be]C[Headbiter [1d\]: i think its not a good position for w
Kayres [3k\]: yeah..
Murugandi [6d\]: EuroGoTV!
NorthWind [4k\]: B sneaked in a couple of shimaris as insurance while W wasn't looking
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what is aji?
Murugandi [6d\]: haha
Foolish [4k\]: lol another game by Ali
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: please explain KGS legand Murugandi!
Foolish [4k\]: is this the second round then?
Murugandi [6d\]: HAHA
evanj [3d\]: this is all very funny but you've missed several moves
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: legend
Headbiter [1d\]: oh your that legend guy.
Kayres [3k\]: haha evanj yeah
Foolish [4k\]: Aji are stones that seem unpotentialy helpful at first and then they may make a difference
Kayres [3k\]: e13 e.g., right?
Foolish [4k\]: or anoying dead stones
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;W[eg]C[evanj [3d\]: i an't quite see
]
;B[ci]C[evanj [3d\]: f11
Kayres [3k\]: c11 now, well, yeah
Kayres [3k\]: f11 next
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;W[fi]C[Kayres [3k\]: now it's right i think
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
evanj [3d\]: it's b's turn? 
evanj [3d\]: even though ali just waked away?
Kayres [3k\]: i think so
Kayres [3k\]: k..
Goprince [3d\]: k17
Kayres [3k\]: sure?
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;B[he]C[evanj [3d\]: well w just played q17
evanj [3d\]: so unless he got two moves in a row
evanj [3d\]: ok
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;W[pc]C[Kayres [3k\]: k..
Foolish [4k\]: is this OohAah second round?
evanj [3d\]: man where do they find these transcribers
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Headbiter [1d\]: he win his first game?
Foolish [4k\]: well Ali kicked ass in his first one
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: results see EuroGoTV
Goprince [3d\]: they find them in the volunteer section...
Bauer [1d\]: now w position is ok
Headbiter [1d\]: looks like he is doing similar this game
evanj [3d\]: pick up some random bum at the train station?
Headbiter [1d\]: nah i realy think b looks better position
Kayres [3k\]: r17
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;B[qc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: normally i look at the game, but now my laptop is left from me
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;W[oc]C[Kayres [3k\]: you lost it again?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so i look at this chat only
bolbi [-\]: o_0
Draxt [2k\]: lol
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;B[qb]C[evanj [3d\]: uh oh ali's whipping out the ipod
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: luckely there is no trolling here
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;W[od]
;B[pe]C[evanj [3d\]: he's got ishida's joseki dictionary as audiobook
]
;W[jp]C[bolbi [-\]: hé hé
eatramen [8k\]: ali getting out his iod
eatramen [8k\]: *ipod
eatramen [8k\]: for some soothing music
eatramen [8k\]: lol
Draxt [2k\]: you can play go while hearing an ipod ?
Kayres [3k\]: viktor checked 
wanchan [2k?\]: lies
evanj [3d\]: i can't
Sefirotj [7k\]: he is a hardcore player
evanj [3d\]: well, while hearing an ipod just sitting there on the table, sure
Kayres [3k\]: go without music is hard
gogadget [3k\]: i never play go without music
Draxt [2k\]: does it work with phone too ?
kyuukei [10k\]: same here, I get tense without music
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;B[gf]C[flocc [4k\]: I pretty much never do anything on the computer without music, so go goes in hand
evanj [3d\]: this is sad, so many teenage boys not checking out that girl
]
;W[fe]C[chibisai [1k\]: i play on kgs with music,but not irl :)
gogonuts [5d\]: b can wedge at d5
gogonuts [5d\]: ladder is good
cherisse [-\]: what music do you listen w/ go?
Griffin1 [22k\]: Keane
Kayres [3k\]: mckennitt
gogadget [3k\]: irl also with music,  i prefer classical music during go
Nickless [-\]: death metal from the depths of hell
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;B[do]C[Emerson [4k\]: lol
Draxt [2k\]: nice call
NorthWind [4k\]: grey is clearly this years choice colour for Go players
Kayres [3k\]: because oyu have seen two wearing grey. good
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;W[eo]C[flocc [4k\]: grey clothing is designed to dull your opponent's senses, psychological warfare
]
;B[co]C[gogadget [3k\]: this looks good for b
]
;W[dm]
;B[cp]
;W[dq]
;B[cq]C[Kayres [3k\]: stream is 20 seconds off
gogadget [3k\]: not so much suddenly
Bauer [1d\]: i is only a small corner
RedStick [3k\]: i'm curious how he'll deal with the area around h7
gogadget [3k\]: expected him to cut at e4 
Murugandi [6d\]: video?
Draxt [2k\]: black seems really good now
flocc [4k\]: yeah, video, eurogotv
bolbi [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
Murugandi [6d\]: thanks
LaMomia [6k?\]: Question where are the players from ?
bolbi [-\]: welcome
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;W[bh]
;B[bg]
;W[cr]
;B[br]C[Kayres [3k\]: austria and israel afaik
]
;W[dr]
;B[bm]C[LaMomia [6k?\]: thanks
]
;W[bl]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: super sandmann
Elitios [7k?\]: Idon't get R10, can someone explain to me the purpose of that stone?
Trivia [3k?\]: so why is Israel considered Europe?
scaredycat [4k\]: is israel in europe?
eatramen [8k\]: lol
LaMomia [6k?\]: no
NorthWind [4k\]: both from KGS, home of the Go player
soulangel [4d\]: no
Kayres [3k\]: in football aswell
scaredycat [4k\]: how does it always sneak in!
LeeYoungil [14k\]: israel is in antartica
flocc [4k\]: it's so that b won't take the entire right side
bolbi [-\]: r10 is really big in this position ( hoshi and shimari)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: r10 was a very early fuseki move to put a group between black's corner so that b can't make a massive moyo there
LaMomia [6k?\]: Trivia is for political reasons, not to discuss here
Draxt [2k\]: b1 b11 miai ?
LeeYoungil [14k\]: israel is not considered europe
RedStick [3k\]: should israel compete in the asian games?
ygz5001 [5k\]: how old are they? 
bolbi [-\]: in sports, it is
LaMomia [6k?\]: they are under 20
barakeel [3d\]: is europe in Israel?
bolbi [-\]: do not troll please
eatramen [8k\]: lol
ygz5001 [5k\]: cool
tapir [2d\]: there are not many go playing countries around israel so israel egf member
Elitios [7k?\]: oh I thought you could still invade even after b invested another move in that area
Murugandi [6d\]: is Alexander Eerbeek playing Lukas Kramer?
Foolish [4k\]: Israel rocks!!!
Foolish [4k\]: :P
eatramen [8k\]: lol
Warfreak2 [4d\]: of course you can, but it's much harder
Trivia [3k?\]: shhhh don't say "invade" that's political
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes mr legend
bolbi [-\]: Elitios, in this position, you don't remind, you just play r10 :)
Murugandi [6d\]: haha thank you Euro
eatramen [8k\]: lol
Elitios [7k?\]: ah ah I see thx
LaMomia [6k?\]: R10 because was the Last Big point?
Foolish [4k\]: "LeeYoungil [14k\]: israel is in antartica"
Syptryn [5d?\]: b8 doesn't think that big yo me
eatramen [8k\]: lol
Syptryn [5d?\]: r8 
Foolish [4k\]: are you more foolish then I?
Trivia [3k?\]: R10 is common "wedge" play 
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;B[fo]C[bolbi [-\]: otake hiseo said that's the only movebut now pro play sometimes elsewhere
gogonuts [5d\]: b8 gote below but annoying above
bolbi [-\]: hideo*
Foolish [4k\]: and Israel is not very European but we are in the Eurovision so what's stopping us here? :P
eatramen [8k\]: stream has a big lag
Foolish [4k\]: and Asians are way too strong for us
NorthWind [4k\]: B needs b1 ?
cherisse [-\]: viktor smiling at that move
Foolish [4k\]: lol nice move
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;W[ep]C[Draxt [2k\]: black need B11
LaMomia [6k?\]: Turkey is also in the EGF
Syptryn [5d?\]: r-8 looks large to me
Syptryn [5d?\]: so does m3
]
;B[fm]C[Foolish [4k\]: EGF=European Go Federation? 
Syptryn [5d?\]: black don't need to play in mid so quick..
Foolish [4k\]: lol
LaMomia [6k?\]: yes Foolish
]
;W[en]C[Headbiter [1d\]: r8 and m3 probably b considers em miai
Foolish [4k\]: yay I actually guessed that :D
]
;B[im]C[LaMomia [6k?\]: you are improving
eatramen [8k\]: you have some common sense
RedStick [3k\]: f5 was an unexpected answer to my question of how to deal with that area, 
Foolish [4k\]: thank you!\\
eatramen [8k\]: not so foolish after all
Foolish [4k\]: still am though
Kayres [3k\]: seems b has won already :x
LaMomia [6k?\]: B has better position, i guess
Misreader [1k\]: ataching to w's wall doesnt seems to be a good idea
LaMomia [6k?\]: that R10 i didnt like
gogonuts [5d\]: J7 is too soft imo
Kayres [3k\]: k6 instead?
gogonuts [5d\]: h4 is important for both
cherisse [-\]: camong nothing exciting happened yet
eatramen [8k\]: maybe he wants to treat this group lightly since it's close to w wall
LaMomia [6k?\]: J7 isnt good because is away from thickness?
Foolish [4k\]: SHABAT SHALOM everyone!
Foolish [4k\]: lol
Headbiter [1d\]: i think b is puting pressure on f16 group
evanj [3d\]: what are you so happy about
barakeel [3d\]:  la coupe était-elle intéressante?
cherisse [-\]: what does that even mean
S1m0n1 [3k\]: h5 
barakeel [3d\]: bonjour
LaMomia [6k?\]: coup , cap
Misreader [1k\]: there comes a english hater
alfi [5k\]: its f6
Trivia [3k?\]: salaam aleikum
psblue [4k\]: bonjour, pas trop de gens qui parlent français ici
NorthWind [4k\]: cut
barakeel [3d\]: coupe=cut
LaMomia [6k?\]: nous compreand
evanj [3d\]: je parle français
Murugandi [6d\]: Lukas Kramer is trying to hypnotize Alexander with his movements
Misreader [1k\]: lets everybody speak diferent languages cause french people hate english
memyself [1d\]: namaste
Kayres [3k\]: hahah lukas
WildThing [3d\]: w has b11 soon
xval [1d\]: who is leading?
]
;W[cd]C[evanj [3d\]: je parle tous les langues de monde
LaMomia [6k?\]: oh coup= cut, sorry how to say cap move in French?
flocc [4k\]: didn't see that one coming
Kayres [3k\]: w+38.5
gogonuts [5d\]: c16 was a good point
Trivia [3k?\]: boshi
Draxt [2k\]: b10 
LaMomia [6k?\]: boshi is japanese
Trivia [3k?\]: le boshi
LaMomia [6k?\]: haha
psblue [4k\]: une "tête" maybee
barakeel [3d\]: noir tenuki
Emerson [4k\]: i am le tired
gogonuts [5d\]: b shouls answer
Misreader [1k\]: champagne tesuji
memyself [1d\]: well have a nap
gogonuts [5d\]: should
LaMomia [6k?\]: e10 
memyself [1d\]: then fire teh missiles
Misreader [1k\]: b b10 for life or escape?
LaMomia [6k?\]: E10 to get out
Draxt [2k\]: lifz
memyself [1d\]: w honte seems sente
Trivia [3k?\]: i think solid life
flocc [4k\]: b b10 looks good to me
Warfreak2 [4d\]: d9 is enough to prevent white b11
barakeel [3d\]: white will b10
evanj [3d\]: oh my god i know ipad 2 is here, apple, stop emailing me
gogonuts [5d\]: alternative for b is h4 now
Emerson [4k\]: ㅐㅗ ㅡㅛ 행
Kayres [3k\]: b10
memyself [1d\]: d9 b10 f9 
Kayres [3k\]: b played b10 :x
evanj [3d\]: shhh don't wake the transcriber he's napping
Draxt [2k\]: tenuki on this could lose the game no?
Kayres [3k\]: ok shh :x
flocc [4k\]: oh no, eurogotv disconnected
Warfreak2 [4d\]: he's napping./
evanj [3d\]: and the game cannot be changed until he returns
LaMomia [6k?\]: tenuki, i wont dare
]
;B[bj]C[evanj [3d\]: ok b10 then h5
Murugandi [6d\]: white H5
Murugandi [6d\]: Black M3
]
;W[ho]C[evanj [3d\]: b10 h5 m3
Kayres [3k\]: b so win
]
;B[lq]
;W[np]C[LaMomia [6k?\]: thanks dans for good comments
evanj [3d\]: you're welcome
barakeel [3d\]: Schwarz Tot
memyself [1d\]: thanks kyus for always questioning dan reading
Trivia [3k?\]: nein
cherisse [-\]: 5ds are so predictable
LaMomia [6k?\]: :-)
evanj [3d\]: kyus are cute, like hamsters
eatramen [8k\]: ^^
gogonuts [5d\]: tough choice now
eatramen [8k\]: dans are ugly monsters
memyself [1d\]: m5
NorthWind [4k\]: I am cute. it's  true
evanj [3d\]: you're damn right
eatramen [8k\]: im super cute
gogonuts [5d\]: i smell b m5 :-)
eatramen [8k\]: like hamtaro
evanj [3d\]: i SEE b m5
eatramen [8k\]: little hamsters
barakeel [3d\]: m5 for the win
eatramen [8k\]: big adventures
eatramen [8k\]: !
LaMomia [6k?\]: M5 like a man
]
;B[lo]C[memyself [1d\]: m5 o3 o2 p4 p2 
]
;W[bs]
;B[ar]C[flocc [4k\]: m5 yay
Trivia [3k?\]: M5 would be nice fight
memyself [1d\]: w cant cut effectivly
]
;W[am]
;B[an]
;W[cm]C[Draxt [2k\]: ho
eatramen [8k\]: ko
LaMomia [6k?\]: ko fight
gogonuts [5d\]: h5 hoped for sente, but it was really a line too high
Headbiter [1d\]: b can just b6
gogonuts [5d\]: b k2 will be annoying when it comes
Syptryn [5d?\]: what ko? 
barakeel [3d\]: black take
gogonuts [5d\]: strange w timing
flocc [4k\]: b b6 no hassle no fuss, why not?
Trivia [3k?\]: w A9 affect top
evanj [3d\]: b6 is awful
noobster: can any1 tell me wat is this all bout????????
evanj [3d\]: b6 you might as well shoot yourself
barakeel [3d\]: is b6 prettier than a8?
gogonuts [5d\]: lol
memyself [1d\]: its trying to threaten life of both b groups. b defends one, w attacks other
alfilporf7 [7k\]: i dont understan anything xdd
]
;B[al]
;W[ak]
;B[ap]
;W[am]
;B[bn]C[tapir [2d\]: ?
gogonuts [5d\]: hm
noobster: so who have the control
gogonuts [5d\]: what was that?
Headbiter [1d\]: why a4?
evanj [3d\]: well that didn't make any sense at all whatsoever
NorthWind [4k\]: Houston
memyself [1d\]: a4 to prevent b4
gogonuts [5d\]: a4 lost a move
tapir [2d\]: and gave away a9
barakeel [3d\]: a4 is dame
noobster: a the best
Headbiter [1d\]: you can still b4 after  w goes a4
dfer: B4 kill if not A4
memyself [1d\]: w goes b4
Murugandi [6d\]: haha what did Ali do?
gogonuts [5d\]: w b4 b a4 - nothing
barakeel [3d\]: lol
Murugandi [6d\]: he said something out loud?
barakeel [3d\]: there is something
Kayres [3k\]: theyre laughing
dfer: then white A5
dfer: and ko
memyself [1d\]: b4 a4 b3 b5  with b5 self atari or ko
dfer: sorry a3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ali was singing with his ipod
dfer: b3
evanj [3d\]: hahha
Kayres [3k\]: hhh
evanj [3d\]: what was he singing?
memyself [1d\]: was iut that hard to see or am i missing something?
flocc [4k\]: w a3 b b3 wheres the ko?
eatramen [8k\]: he is singing this song
memyself [1d\]: at a8
flocc [4k\]: oh, b3
Emerson [4k\]: where is the stream again
Draxt [2k\]: a10 a11 b11 c12 a12 a13 a11 b9 a8 d9 seems ok no ?
Draxt [2k\]: for black
eatramen [8k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpN60KKBAjc
evanj [3d\]: "i saw you walking down the street with the girl i love..."
bsaltman [3k\]: w f6 1st
Trivia [3k?\]: b4, a4, b3, dead
gogonuts [5d\]: oops, your right
eatramen [8k\]: ohh that isnt't the stream
gogonuts [5d\]: ko threatened
Trivia [3k?\]: the kyus are so dumb heh
Kayres [3k\]: "the infrared's at your head real steady, you better grab your guns cause i'm ready..."
Elitios [7k?\]: btw why is it that board  is on the eurotv board 2 link
gogonuts [5d\]: so b a8 was wrong
Headbiter [1d\]: if b played b6 first instead of eating at a8 then there is no problem
]
;W[kn]C[barakeel [3d\]: is black alive at top?
gogonuts [5d\]: connecting was better
]
;B[ln]
;W[km]C[evanj [3d\]: OH MY GOD THE DAMN ING CLOCKS
memyself [1d\]: why
]
;B[lm]C[Kachnak [2d\]: this game is so full of shoulder hits i dont get...
barakeel [3d\]: i am not sure gogonuts
gogonuts [5d\]: these pushes by b look wrong
daladim [1d\]: on the streaming, ali is at the left ?
]
;W[ej]C[bolbi [-\]: no
Trivia [3k?\]: now that D11 is not alive, im concerned
gogonuts [5d\]: greed
daladim [1d\]: ah no on the right ok
travel [-\]: does the guy on the left look like an ali?
barakeel [3d\]: hane at te head of two
Syptryn [5d?\]: d10 
kokp: b's pushing because the center is wide open
gogonuts [5d\]: now L8 cant be bad
evanj [3d\]: he looks like an A Li
kokp: b can follow up with R8 to make terirtory
Syptryn [5d?\]: l8 = dead top left?
travel [-\]: true
barakeel [3d\]: exchange
tapir [2d\]: guess i need to do more tsumego
gogonuts [5d\]: how?
barakeel [3d\]: ^^
flocc [4k\]: a10?
gogonuts [5d\]: top looks ok to me
Draxt [2k\]: d10 seems ok
gogonuts [5d\]: with the option of h13
memyself [1d\]: this is sente
Kachnak [2d\]: a10 just for kill
Syptryn [5d?\]: err I ,eam c11  group
memyself [1d\]: a10 didnt kill before
Syptryn [5d?\]: a-10 seems to kill for me
Elitios [7k?\]: f7-j7 stones looks in danger
memyself [1d\]: gotta seal first
Murugandi [6d\]: Eurogotv is on camera!
memyself [1d\]: a15 will be painful for w if be gets out wnad w corner is cut
Murugandi [6d\]: haha
barakeel [3d\]: a10 kill
Headbiter [1d\]: i think thats what e10 is trying to do
gogonuts [5d\]: w got a9 for free because of b a8
Syptryn [5d?\]: d10 
barakeel [3d\]: even with out
barakeel [3d\]: a9 was sente anyway
bsaltman [3k\]: a10 w live
]
;B[ch]C[cloudo [3k\]: how old are the two players?
]
;W[kl]C[NorthWind [4k\]: under 20
memyself [1d\]: 5d age and 6d age
gogonuts [5d\]: why was that group indanger?
evanj [3d\]: no he clearly meant put together
kokp: h11
cloudo [3k\]: thx northwind
qrqr [3d\]: viktor 19, ali 17
Trivia [3k?\]: because of A10
bsaltman [3k\]: h12
Draxt [2k\]: j12 
barakeel [3d\]: white wins
gogonuts [5d\]: i cant believe w had an attack without b c12
memyself [1d\]: no attack without e10
gogonuts [5d\]: c12 was a pass in my book
evanj [3d\]: i can't believe you can't believe that... what after a10
Kayres [3k\]: b will play yose soon
flocc [4k\]: a10 seems like a good attack to me
Syptryn [5d?\]: j12 
gogonuts [5d\]: block
Syptryn [5d?\]: b11 cut?
Lodurr [1d?\]: a10 a11 b11 
evanj [3d\]: then connect
gogonuts [5d\]: sry your right
]
;B[hi]C[gogonuts [5d\]: tomatoes on my eyes
Trivia [3k?\]: you drunk or something?
Syptryn [5d?\]: hmmm
evanj [3d\]: hm, that would explain it
Syptryn [5d?\]: I prefer j-12
gogonuts [5d\]: so a8 was *really* terrible
Syptryn [5d?\]: white can tenuk from this
evanj [3d\]: yes
alfi [5k\]: h9
bsaltman [3k\]: but you are not the champion
evanj [3d\]: a8 was epically terrible
Headbiter [1d\]: is tomatos on your eyes good for beauty?
evanj [3d\]: good for beauty, bad for reading
barakeel [3d\]: what instead of a8?
alfi [5k\]: h9 strng?
gogonuts [5d\]: but that a bad tradeoff
gogonuts [5d\]: better to be ugly
flocc [4k\]: b5 instead of a8
barakeel [3d\]: so a 9 is still sente
memyself [1d\]: nah that was still ko
Trivia [3k?\]: actually W corner is not 100% safe
flocc [4k\]: how so?
memyself [1d\]: because its dead shape
bsaltman [3k\]: w j9
Draxt [2k\]: m7 l8 exchange seems good for black now
]
;W[hk]C[tapir [2d\]: are u sure with your reading that a8 was terrible?
Syptryn [5d?\]: se
alfi [5k\]: h9 bam!
Syptryn [5d?\]: white can tenuki
]
;B[ql]C[Syptryn [5d?\]: h11 better at j12 
flocc [4k\]: j7 in trouble?
Syptryn [5d?\]: can't tenuki from J-12
Syptryn [5d?\]: j7 dead
memyself [1d\]: j7 served its purpose already
]
;W[rp]C[Trivia [3k?\]: gave it up
flocc [4k\]: ah
NorthWind [4k\]: B dreams of a giant estate in the south east
cloudo [3k\]: they are playing fast
]
;B[qq]C[psblue [4k\]: well, he is from S-E
cherisse [-\]: prince ali
Emerson [4k\]: whoa, i turn my back for 10 minutes and what happened??!?!?
cherisse [-\]: might is he
Emerson [4k\]: b just gave all that up?
memyself [1d\]: j12 also strenghtens r10
cherisse [-\]: ali ababwa
gogonuts [5d\]: r8 was huge
barakeel [3d\]: that all is only 13842 points and sente it could be worse
gogonuts [5d\]: better w r7 than h9?
Draxt [2k\]: p10 ?
memyself [1d\]: h9 feels too god
cloudo [3k\]: good too
gogonuts [5d\]: but think how good r7 would have felt :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
memyself [1d\]: you can keep my typos and in this case, you got god for free!!
Wazato [4d\]: h9 feels like theres still a lot of aji
Wazato [4d\]: with j9 or k2
guest008: this move is takeing a while
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, that too
memyself [1d\]: well true
cloudo [3k\]: i allways like things for free
gogonuts [5d\]: shapewise w would need a move like r6 now, but with the b wall that looks impossible
]
;W[qm]C[Wazato [4d\]: yes
memyself [1d\]: once you said r6 i thought r7 :
gogonuts [5d\]: so its magic time :-)
memyself [1d\]: nobi
gogonuts [5d\]: r7 also seems like an overplay
barakeel [3d\]: i believe iether white will die or give the entire left to black
memyself [1d\]: well  something north or south f r8 should die
gogonuts [5d\]: at the very least r10 will pay  :-)
Seagal [2d\]: Ali got promoted to 6d?
Draxt [2k\]: black will have choice between killing R7 or R10?
Wazato [4d\]: still not easy to answer this
gogonuts [5d\]: b has only q8
gogonuts [5d\]: no options here#
memyself [1d\]: yeah nobi seems only
cloudo [3k\]: killing r10 is not possible now
Emerson [4k\]: r10 won't die that easy
Wazato [4d\]: letting w live?
cherisse [-\]: just nobiii?
Shinichi56 [-\]: q8 ko
memyself [1d\]: r10 is floating in an area of b influence
LaMomia [6k?\]: R10 was the losing move
Emerson [4k\]: maybe b S7?
gogonuts [5d\]: i think w q8 would have been the honte - but that shows how important w r7 would have been before
Syptryn [5d?\]: r9 
barakeel [3d\]: q8 s8 
Trivia [3k?\]: well something's gotta die
Draxt [2k\]: yeah R9 nice
barakeel [3d\]: white can make lif in black 's moyo if q8
gogonuts [5d\]: imagine w r7, b r8, w tenukis at h9 - we would call w crazy
MATb [3d\]: i do not see any good moves for w here
evanj [3d\]: or totally brilliant
barakeel [3d\]: r7 was good
Syptryn [5d?\]: r9 
Syptryn [5d?\]: r-9 shouldbe fine for black
memyself [1d\]: r9 r5 s3 s8 s9 s6 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: r7 muddied the waters, but r7 before would have given w a straightforward good position
LaMomia [6k?\]: q8 
evanj [3d\]: q8 too passive
NorthWind [4k\]: much reading going on
gogonuts [5d\]: ws position isnt enviable right now
Syptryn [5d?\]: it doesn't matter if white lives on right side if r-10 dies
barakeel [3d\]: this three stones were greed
memyself [1d\]: r7 k2?
cherisse [-\]: r7 pretty brave
memyself [1d\]: still seems best w local
cherisse [-\]: seen some ali games, he wins the capturing races
cloudo [3k\]: o4 is the key
Syptryn [5d?\]: r9 r5 q10 
memyself [1d\]: ah
Misreader [1k\]: b q8
memyself [1d\]: bu then the o4 aji comes back toi life
Syptryn [5d?\]: white is still not immediately alive
NorthWind [4k\]: play B q7 and whisper "bring it on"
MATb [3d\]: looks like q7 is the only move here
Syptryn [5d?\]: q-7 gives white so many sabbaki options it not funny
evanj [3d\]: w has sabaki options no matter what
cloudo [3k\]: lol
barakeel [3d\]: q8 same
NorthWind [4k\]: maybe q8
Misreader [1k\]: q8
Syptryn [5d?\]: blacks real choices are r9 and s8 
cloudo [3k\]: sabaki sounds tasty
memyself [1d\]: q7 and w crosscut
Syptryn [5d?\]: but s-8 looks like overplay
evanj [3d\]: what's the time situation?
Syptryn [5d?\]: q7 q8 
Syptryn [5d?\]: ladder is to whites advantage due to O4
Misreader [1k\]: i guess b thougth after r7: u bastard!
Syptryn [5d?\]: it'll be a hopefuless situation for black
obsesi [-\]: b is oohaah right ?
cherisse [-\]: u know u wanna nobiii~
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
cloudo [3k\]: o4 is my hero
NorthWind [4k\]: yes obsesi
Seagal [2d\]: Ali is OohAah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k3
Syptryn [5d?\]: q7 q8 s8 s7 q9 p8 r9 q6 
memyself [1d\]: q7 q8 s8 s7 r6 s6 r5 s5 q9 p8 r9 q6  w escapes
Seagal [2d\]: Viktor is sandmann
Misreader [1k\]: well, j7 was bad idea after all
cherisse [-\]: oh
Kayres [3k\]: q8 s8 q7 
memyself [1d\]: j7 was nice
memyself [1d\]: made h5 m3 miai  for b
Syptryn [5d?\]: q-7 is generally bad
MATb [3d\]: it is either q7 or take up another game
]
;B[pm]C[Draxt [2k\]: haha
Syptryn [5d?\]: you don't want to hane when ur killing something
Syptryn [5d?\]: sigh
Syptryn [5d?\]: q-8
NorthWind [4k\]: yay
Michi12333 [9k\]: but he did
obsesi [5d?\]: w is EGF 5d and kgs 5d ! should take 2 stones against ali jabarin
inRadio [11k?\]: q7 is direction ..
cloudo [3k\]: isnt there death in the hane? :3
Goprince [3d\]: 2 stones in a blitz not serious game...
memyself [1d\]: q7 doesnt take account of r10
gogonuts [5d\]: q7 is sabaki friendly
NorthWind [4k\]: Ali has read it :D
memyself [1d\]: exactly
Syptryn [5d?\]: even s8 gives a good result for white...
Syptryn [5d?\]: even s-8 gives good result for white
cherisse [-\]: poor viktor, take ur time!
Misreader [1k\]: j7 sucks badly
]
;W[pl]C[memyself [1d\]: q8 q9 p8 s7 r6 r9  bplan?
BobWhoosta [2k\]: Wow, this is a really good game.
Draxt [2k\]: q9 ?
BobWhoosta [2k\]: High quality.
Hightime [2d\]: hm...why is ali jabarin playing?
Trivia [3k?\]: this is like an artem game
cherisse [-\]: he played so quickly :|
Hightime [2d\]: i thought he was from Israel
zazie [-\]: yes, they both play very well to my eyes
evanj [3d\]: uh, beause otherwise he'd forfeit
zazie [-\]: Israel plays in every championship, Hightime
Nickless [-\]: ali is playing because he isnt surfing
gogonuts [5d\]: now w got mopre than if he had played the honest q8 right away - b would have pulled back
zazie [-\]: (in go like in football...)
Nickless [-\]: and is not killing ppl
Hightime [2d\]: in every European champ?
Trivia [3k?\]: we discussed Israel question earlier
Hightime [2d\]: since when Israel is part of Europe i wonder
zazie [-\]: please, Nickless, not that kind of things in this chaty
zazie [-\]: if you want to stay to watch the game :)
Seagal [2d\]: debarre not playing?
Nickless [-\]: a ok
Nickless [-\]: i stay
]
;B[pk]
;W[ol]
;B[qk]C[NorthWind [4k\]: ooh
Syptryn [5d?\]: ladder works for white..
NorthWind [4k\]: and aah
Trivia [3k?\]: B choose to take R10
gogonuts [5d\]: so play it :-)
]
;W[pn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Lukas Kraemer beats Alexander Eerbeek
Murugandi [6d\]: :(
]
;B[rm]C[cloudo [3k\]: miaoo
Goprince [3d\]: kill dat shit
Trivia [3k?\]: is Artem playing?
Draxt [2k\]: or he chose ot kill S4 lol
Syptryn [5d?\]: black could have done it more reasily with r-9...
dinosaur [2k\]: artem too old now isn;t he?
]
;W[om]C[Murugandi [6d\]: by how much euro?
]
;B[rn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: surely take
JeansebL [4d?\]: lol manu....
Goprince [3d\]: lol
barakeel [3d\]: o3?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 6,5
LaMomia [6k?\]: dinosaurs are old
zazie [-\]: that's really bad for viktor, isn't it
Trivia [3k?\]: he's born in 82 cant be 20
cloudo [3k\]: o4 was the key, as i said
Syptryn [5d?\]: m8 
dinosaur [2k\]: you're only as old as you feel
inRadio [11k?\]: result very good for b
evanj [3d\]: he can if its' 2002
Goprince [3d\]: this is good for black
Syptryn [5d?\]: or o3 
LaMomia [6k?\]: a 20yrs old still a baby
Liselot [?\]: alex lost?
Trivia [3k?\]: i mean 92 lol
gogonuts [5d\]: bs play was negative, but he still got a good result - h9 was a mistake
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes :-(
LaMomia [6k?\]: so much to learn at 20
Liselot [?\]: pfff sucks
memyself [1d\]: some 90 year olds are babys
Namii [-\]: what did W gain here?
memyself [1d\]: gote g8
Hightime [2d\]: why does lukas write his own name "Krämer" when everyone else write Kraemer?
cloudo [3k\]: reduction?
soulangel [4d\]: who won?
Syptryn [5d?\]: err destroyed black moyo?
memyself [1d\]: gote m8 sorry
Draxt [2k\]: does O3 work ?
Namii [-\]: Which moyo
Headbiter [1d\]: w gained the doom of r10
LaMomia [6k?\]: ä = ae
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: because i dont have the a with ..
gogonuts [5d\]: w dreaming of o3 :-)
Namii [-\]: W has 2 weak groups now
soulangel [4d\]: euro who won?
Wazato [4d\]: maybe p8 was a mistake, shoudl had r9
Goprince [3d\]: r10 not a gorup
barakeel [3d\]: is o3 possible?
cherisse [-\]: white wants o3
cloudo [3k\]: p8 not weak
LaMomia [6k?\]: HIghtime AE isalternative way to type Ä
Headbiter [1d\]: r10 was a group once upon a time
zazie [-\]: he doesn't write Krämer, Hightime, he writes Krämer :o)
Hightime [2d\]: is it german?
Syptryn [5d?\]: I'd m-8
zazie [-\]: yes
Trivia [3k?\]: P8 is eyeless rghit now
LaMomia [6k?\]: yeß
cloudo [3k\]: it is high
Hightime [2d\]: Zazie : i don't quite follow you
zazie [-\]: it's some typographic joke about the difference between the Umlaut and ¨ :o)
LaMomia [6k?\]: read my post Hightime
SCBilly: ...
LaMomia [6k?\]: what zaie said
Hightime [2d\]: i read it, thx lamomia
cloudo [3k\]: soo
qgo [3k\]: Hi Euro
NorthWind [4k\]: my intinct would have been to try to keep the corner as B but this looks much better. interesting. point gained W with work to do
cloudo [3k\]: b enjoys his fisibubele now?
LaMomia [6k?\]: B still has the Korner
NorthWind [4k\]: yes but from line 7 or so
Draxt [2k\]: o3 seems working
Syptryn [5d?\]: o3 o5 
gogonuts [5d\]: w o3 b o5
gogonuts [5d\]: right :-)
malm: hightime, krämer is german, yes
LaMomia [6k?\]: B is i control so he can make white suffer and still win
Trivia [3k?\]: Ja, he gain the Körner
Hightime [2d\]: i knew that. i didn't believe Kraemer was at once
LaMomia [6k?\]: in control *
]
;W[ok]C[Warfreak2 [4d\]: super sandmann
gogonuts [5d\]: oh the pain for w
Goprince [3d\]: hm painful
kindgo [3k\]: n9
barakeel [3d\]: let's cry for him
Goprince [3d\]: this onl seems feasible if o3 works....
]
;B[pj]C[Goprince [3d\]: only*
Headbiter [1d\]: boooo hoooooo waaaaaha
cloudo [3k\]: ?
cloudo [3k\]: where is the pain?
MUHAHAHA [3d\]: o3 o3 o3 
Trivia [3k?\]: points for B on the platter
MUHAHAHA [3d\]: onlay chance for w now
LaMomia [6k?\]: B is full
MUHAHAHA [3d\]: *only
Draxt [2k\]: m8 ?
Goprince [3d\]: n4 first>
Emerson [4k\]: white must run with a weak group while black chases him and solidifies 4th line, uninvadable territory.  how is that not painful?
druif [3d?\]: the pain is when you have to kill your own stone.. (r10)
WVoron [4d\]: k2
cloudo [3k\]: ofcourse b got some points
psblue [4k\]: I'm not sure but if black takes the left side, white needs at least 20 pts around L13... 
cloudo [3k\]: it was his corner after all
psblue [4k\]: ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
kindgo [3k\]: m8
grco [-\]: some points? white can give up
gogonuts [5d\]: m8 is a good suggestion
gogonuts [5d\]: m8 and wait for b to mess up maybe
kindgo [3k\]: thx
]
;W[op]C[barakeel [3d\]: oups?
Goprince [3d\]: if i was w and bplay k2 i start cryin...mg
cloudo [3k\]: w still has r12
gogonuts [5d\]: a trap
LaMomia [6k?\]: m9 not better than M 8 for white now?
LaMomia [6k?\]: oh
]
;B[nr]C[LaMomia [6k?\]: o2 
LaMomia [6k?\]: no thinking
]
;W[kr]C[barakeel [3d\]: now black connected
LaMomia [6k?\]: l3 
Hightime [2d\]: l2 huge
gogonuts [5d\]: correct answer - toobad for w :-.)
gogonuts [5d\]: anwer again
Elitios [7k?\]: w cash in though
grco [-\]: this is alis game
barakeel [3d\]: but maybe m8 was not big enought
]
;B[lr]C[gogonuts [5d\]: L2 isnt exactly cashing in
LaMomia [6k?\]: o M2 , right !
Sando [?\]: i20
Elitios [7k?\]: uh? why gogouts?
LaMomia [6k?\]: i allways lose when im winning
Elitios [7k?\]: *n sry
gogonuts [5d\]: w still needs m8, so this was counter productive
gogonuts [5d\]: should have kept b worrying about o3
]
;W[ph]
;B[oj]C[memyself [1d\]: i always loose when im winning
Kayres [3k\]: hmm
Elitios [7k?\]: leave it for later? I see
kindgo [3k\]: too deep for b
Misreader [1k\]: i never notice when im winning
grco [-\]: someonehas another opinion, gogonuts:-)
Elitios [7k?\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: q12 is greedy again
druif [3d?\]: y, but w has to try something...
LaMomia [6k?\]: m9 
gogonuts [5d\]: w should have gotten solidly out of trouble first
]
;W[mk]C[grco [-\]: I think he knows that M8 will not win this game
barakeel [3d\]: now black can cut
]
;B[nj]C[Murugandi [6d\]: yes q12 does not look like a good move
]
;W[ll]C[gogonuts [5d\]: now p13
barakeel [3d\]: p13 capture all
cloudo [3k\]: wow
grco [-\]: painfull
Draxt [2k\]: k11 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: its fair :-)
cherisse [-\]: heyyy why am i lagging in kgs but video stream was ok, not fair
Emerson [4k\]: p13 ..
cloudo [3k\]: p13 would be so good looking
barakeel [3d\]: can black connect under?
barakeel [3d\]: if white p13
gogonuts [5d\]: where?
grco [-\]: k11
Draxt [2k\]: well if white P13 what good it does to him ?
]
;B[pg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: p13 is the roof collapsing on w
gogonuts [5d\]: ouch
Liso66 [6k?\]: euro there is small mistake in web site (Lisy-Mitic is U20 not U16)
]
;AE[ph]C[cloudo [3k\]: lol
Headbiter [1d\]: wow!
]
;W[oh]C[gogonuts [5d\]: oops?
liq3 [4k\]: o.O
barakeel [3d\]: tesuji
Emerson [4k\]: magic
Trivia [3k?\]: oops
emkele [1d\]: hehe
Headbiter [1d\]: anihlated the stone!
]
;B[]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good lord
Elitios [7k?\]: xD
Stefany93 [8k\]: Is Jabarin listening to music, or I am just to drunk?
Draxt [2k\]: haha
cloudo [3k\]: ??
Headbiter [1d\]: that is the hand of god!!!
gogonuts [5d\]: lol, w never played q12 :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Trivia [3k?\]: so Q12 was clearly wrong
Emerson [4k\]: indeed, rewriting your opponents move would be pretty godlike
gogonuts [5d\]: or was he allowed to move it?
emkele [1d\]: nice joke ;-)
Headbiter [1d\]: such a strong move
Trivia [3k?\]: he moved it while Ali was distracted
beoren [1k\]: what a turn off- its like the end of the sixth sense
]
;W[jj]C[cloudo [3k\]: well
cloudo [3k\]: its not much better for w
Warfreak2 [4d\]: i see dead stones
memyself [1d\]: it is its still alive
Warfreak2 [4d\]: they sit on the board just like normal stones. some of them don't even know they are dead
shier12 [1d\]: wow
shier12 [1d\]: p12 
cloudo [3k\]: it is better
cloudo [3k\]: but not much better
Draxt [2k\]: o14 ?
Stefany93 [8k\]: Viktor will win! Because he is not listening to music like the arabian
SadPlayer [-\]: k3 
barakeel [3d\]: black is ten to 15 points ahead
LaMomia [6k?\]: l5 
cloudo [3k\]: he is really listen to music?
]
;B[jb]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
memyself [1d\]: ali isnt listening to music, he is listening to josekis
Emerson [4k\]: lol
Trivia [3k?\]: what kind of music is it?
Stefany93 [8k\]: Hahhahaha :D
NorthWind [4k\]: could be CNN
barakeel [3d\]: black taking care of his group
cloudo [3k\]: wow very rude
fernobob [2k\]: his teacher is talking to him
Stefany93 [8k\]: Liten to secter josekis :D
klammer122 [8k\]: no white is ahaed isnt he
memyself [1d\]: cnn isnt news
LaMomia [6k?\]: hes listening to some spy movies music
klammer122 [8k\]: the middle bottom is whites
Elitios [7k?\]: music is perfect to keep the mind sharp
cherisse [-\]: maybe he is listening to hikaru no go...
bin7674 [9d\]: haha
bin7674 [9d\]: amzing
LaMomia [6k?\]: Lalo Schiffrin scores are great
]
;W[mi]
;B[jr]C[Nickless [-\]: bin you in japan ?
bin7674 [9d\]: he's listening to music while playing?
bin7674 [9d\]: no
bin7674 [9d\]: i'm in Europe
]
;W[ir]C[memyself [1d\]: i cant play without music
fernobob [2k\]: the correct way to ask is 'where you bin?'
Headbiter [1d\]: earthquake was scary
Wazato [4d\]: a lot of players do that :s
LaMomia [6k?\]: music is what makes the stones dance
memyself [1d\]: psytrance for sure makes them shake
]
;B[jq]
;W[kp]C[Emerson [4k\]: maybe it's actually a satellite reciever and he's getting advice LOL
shier12 [1d\]: a lot of people die in japan today,do you guys know?
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
Lesmian [1d\]: i can`t play go and listen to music simultaneously :)
memyself [1d\]: yes big tragedy
andreiraz [2k\]: bin will  you atend at shusaku cup ?
SadPlayer [-\]: j3 ?
LeT63 [-\]: j3
grco [-\]: whites middle too small
bin7674 [9d\]: yes
]
;B[iq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: hoiw about b j3
bin7674 [9d\]: i will go to shusaku cup
gogonuts [5d\]: right
barakeel [3d\]: j3
cherisse [-\]: he wants an ear plug but earphones are way cooler \\o/
andreiraz [2k\]: wow 
Trivia [3k?\]: tenukied lol
Emerson [4k\]: omg.... resign ...
Draxt [2k\]: wow
Headbiter [1d\]: i huddled in the doorframe, in fear
NorthWind [4k\]: wow , B never miss a trick
]
;W[kq]C[memyself [1d\]: j3 is clearly bigger than eat three
]
;B[ks]C[LaMomia [6k?\]: thats not a trick
]
;W[lp]C[shier12 [1d\]: a lot of people die in japan today,do you guys know??????????????
cloudo [3k\]: wowowwo
NorthWind [4k\]: sure, he gave up m5
Emerson [4k\]: victor is sitting up in his chair like an alarmed bird
gogonuts [5d\]: g3?
LaMomia [6k?\]: shier, we know, but this is tournament game
Warfreak2 [4d\]: go vicky!
inRadio [11k?\]: j3 look bigger
qgo [3k\]: giant tsunmi over north east Japan
cloudo [3k\]: yes shier, a lot of people die every day on the world, did u know?
Griffin1 [23k\]: haha lamomia
shier12 [1d\]: ...
memyself [1d\]: some people consider go to bve a matter of life and death too.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of EuroGoTV games at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2
cherisse [-\]: the games goes on
LaMomia [6k?\]: sorry, i didnt mean to joke about that
Griffin1 [23k\]: i dont consider 300 dead alot personally
memyself [1d\]: and i go even one furthere
Stefany93 [8k\]: If Viktor win this game, I will buy all my family a drink!
memyself [1d\]: its much more important!
shier12 [1d\]: k
bin7674 [9d\]: that's very pity for him
LaMomia [6k?\]: griffin, please
Draxt [2k\]: j4 
bolbi [-\]: let's focus on the game, please
fernobob [2k\]: I regularly kill more than 300 people
Griffin1 [23k\]: sorry
Trivia [3k?\]: no matter how many people die KGS will still be filled with mindless kibitz
bin7674 [9d\]: he's 5dan-6dan but acting like 15-16 kyu
Stefany93 [8k\]: Ali?
]
;B[gq]C[cherisse [-\]: who?
bin7674 [9d\]: yes, listnning to music while playing:) 
StefanRadu [1d\]: viktor i guess..
memyself [1d\]: i play better with music
shier12 [1d\]: i regularly kill more than 500 people in game
Griffin1 [23k\]: hah that room cleared out
cloudo [3k\]: thats really rude
LaMomia [6k?\]: music helps you relax and play better
fernobob [2k\]: yes, killing people is something of a game to me
obsesi [-\]: is this good for white ?
Headbiter [1d\]: no
obsesi [-\]: high dan please comment
gogonuts [5d\]: listening to wagner - nothing like a little apocalypse now
Draxt [2k\]: well if my oponent listen music in front of him i would sing to make him suffer
giuhkh: lol
Trivia [3k?\]: there's shortage of libs on L4
kindgo [3k\]: looks good for b now
grco [-\]: music is so important for viktor, he plays on many instruments
]
;W[gp]C[Nickless [-\]: why do you think that listening to music isnt good while playing go
emkele [1d\]: so its requiem for victor...
Elitios [7k?\]: bach to have a model of perfection while playig
cloudo [3k\]: listen to music is one thing
barakeel [3d\]: f2?
seikenguy [1d\]: I like listening to Chopin or Tchaikovsky, when playing serious games.
cloudo [3k\]: but isolate for ur opp is just rude
seikenguy [1d\]: Or Brahms.
jakontin [2k\]: F3
gogonuts [5d\]: or kraftwerk
]
;B[fr]C[barakeel [3d\]: or lucky luke
emkele [1d\]: im only amateur... so bar music i play best ;-)
Warfreak2 [4d\]: kraftwerk++
grco [-\]: yes, gogonuts...:-)
gogonuts [5d\]: f2?
]
;W[fq]
;B[hq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: invited f3
barakeel [3d\]: predicted
Prodigious [5d\]: i don't like listening to music while playing because i begin to associate good songs with losing games...
lubrix [7k\]: sex pistols is better
Warfreak2 [4d\]: boku wa ongaku ka, dentaku katate ni
]
;W[nq]C[Trivia [3k?\]: F5 next
Trivia [3k?\]: *J5
]
;B[pq]C[gogonuts [5d\]: f2 lost sente
]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]C[barakeel [3d\]: depend on how many point you are ready to lose here
]
;W[kb]C[amazato [3k\]: j9
amazato [3k\]: ?
cloudo [3k\]: space monkey
Draxt [2k\]: k17 
]
;B[oe]C[Trivia [3k?\]: i don't feel B gained that much by giving 3 stones
beoren [1k\]: its about the same i think
gogonuts [5d\]: b lost on the trade even with f2 i think
barakeel [3d\]: yep he lost sente
druif [3d?\]: B gained a lot there
beoren [1k\]: what is alot?
gogonuts [5d\]: w f3 was sente - simple
memyself [1d\]: b gained  about 10
gogonuts [5d\]: with w f3 it would have been better for b imo
shier12 [1d\]: who win?
giuhkh: how much time do they both have left?
druif [3d?\]: Imho b decided the game with that trade
go1d [6d\]: black has 85 points
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white 4 points time penalty
Draxt [2k\]: the lost of M6 hasn't been compensate enough
druif [3d?\]: even considering loss of sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black 2
cloudo [3k\]: lol
giuhkh: huh? 
gogonuts [5d\]: oh no - ing penalty?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep
andreiraz [2k\]: ing rules
gogonuts [5d\]: thats awful
juj [4k\]: what's that?
giuhkh: lol
cherisse [-\]: the lighting looks nice~ only two of them left playing?
emkele [1d\]: lol
Welvang [7d\]: b is ahead
go1d [6d\]: this is a very close game
giuhkh: I hate ING rules XD
go1d [6d\]: allez là c'est serré
barakeel [3d\]: i bet black will sin
Welvang [7d\]: j'ai compté noir + 5
druif [3d?\]: aaargh... Ing has been dead for a long time now.. time to abandon those rules forever..
memyself [1d\]: g3 how does ing time penalty work?
cloudo [3k\]: in ing rules the loser has to giva a finger, right?
andreiraz [2k\]: at every periode lose 2 pts pealty 
grco [-\]: everybody hate i
andreiraz [2k\]: penalty
]
;W[ng]C[memyself [1d\]: substraccted from score as points?
giuhkh: So how do they get a penalty? By playing a few sec past standard byomi?
giuhkh: ah
]
;B[fp]C[Elitios [7k?\]: ?
grco [-\]: everybody hates INGs
emkele [1d\]: can u play ing rules on kgs?
gogonuts [5d\]: cho chikun once resigned a good halpointer because he had the choice of winning the last ko and paying 2 points time penalty or losing the ko - so he resigned. that show class, and also showed how ridiculous a time penalty is
MATb [3d\]: owened
andreiraz [2k\]: lol
WVoron [4d\]: over
giuhkh: does ING still even sponser tournaments now? In europe?
memyself [1d\]: this is nasty
druif [3d?\]: y, I remember that... most ridiculous..
memyself [1d\]: w cant afford to give in
taugenix [2d\]: ING built these wonderful clocks.......
]
;W[eq]C[Liso66 [6k?\]: what about lukan? won 2nd round?
]
;B[ne]C[Headbiter [1d\]: cho chikun is the man
barakeel [3d\]: will be the end for black
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes he did
chibisai [1k\]: yay
Welvang [7d\]: tu comptes quoi david ?
andreiraz [2k\]: against to?
grco [-\]: INGs going to die
barakeel [3d\]: ca donne quoi g5?
Stefany93 [8k\]: Could you please tel me where I can read who are the paritcipants in the European Youth champion? Thank you!
druif [3d?\]: he is already dead grco
giuhkh: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pairings and results see link on eurogotv news
cloudo [3k\]: in which city is this championship?
Liso66 [6k?\]: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/results.php?lang=en
]
;W[hh]
;B[ih]
;W[ii]
;B[gh]C[grco [-\]: I mean INGs are only about money
gogonuts [5d\]: its the ghost of ing that collects the penalty points
]
;W[hj]
;B[gi]
;W[gj]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]C[memyself [1d\]: b should have j5
Draxt [2k\]: o18 ?
memyself [1d\]: instead o15
barakeel [3d\]: g5 ftw
]
;B[mc]C[go1d [6d\]: niiiice
go1d [6d\]: now black wins
andreiraz [2k\]: b+r
taugenix [2d\]: is b winning?
cloudo [3k\]: where are they playing?
]
;W[mb]C[go1d [6d\]: o18 
andreiraz [2k\]: brno 
Liso66 [6k?\]: brno czechia
grco [-\]: brno?
]
;B[mj]
;W[lj]C[cloudo [3k\]: thx
Welvang [7d\]: b was wininng already :)
]
;B[ni]C[Elitios [7k?\]: time moves?
go1d [6d\]: probably
]
;W[nh]C[go1d [6d\]: o18 o18 o18 o18 
Welvang [7d\]: :)
Draxt [2k\]: q12 
juj [4k\]: is o18 bigger than q12?
go1d [6d\]: a lot more
Headbiter [1d\]: much
kindgo [3k\]: n16
]
;B[nb]C[barakeel [3d\]: g5 still working
andreiraz [2k\]: ko
go1d [6d\]: it isn't a ko
Welvang [7d\]: where ko ? O.O
druif [3d?\]: just squeeze
go1d [6d\]: o17 p18 n16 o16 m17 q18 n17 
gogonuts [5d\]: w plays n16
dfer: some aji with G13 and H18
dfer: ?
grco [-\]: regular kill, no?
juj [4k\]: bG5 does 
juj [4k\]: look interesting
Welvang [7d\]: o17 n16 p18 m18 o19 m17 m19 l16 
barakeel [3d\]: obviousliy cant kill the three stones
]
;W[ib]C[Welvang [7d\]: on peut tuer david
gogonuts [5d\]: b has no eye trouble
NorthWind [4k\]: play safe B
]
;B[hb]C[cloudo [3k\]: m18 would be so nice for b
Liso66 [6k?\]: artem why dont you participate?
]
;W[md]C[Welvang [7d\]: n16 
amazato [3k\]: o17
druif [3d?\]: o16
gogonuts [5d\]: why did b answer J18?
inRadio [11k?\]: o17
Draxt [2k\]: m18 ?
gogonuts [5d\]: o17 instead of h18
juj [4k\]: p18?
]
;B[lb]C[barakeel [3d\]: g5.....
]
;W[nd]
;B[ob]
;W[pb]
;B[pa]C[Draxt [2k\]: what G5 does?
druif [3d?\]: y, g5 works..
Vouvray [4k\]: how?
]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]C[juj [4k\]: g5 connects k5 to m5, I think
]
;W[fh]C[cloudo [3k\]: reas it
]
;B[fg]C[Headbiter [1d\]: yea b can go e8 after g5 huh
cloudo [3k\]: read
Welvang [7d\]: don't work
Elitios [7k?\]: ko looks bad for w
]
;W[ph]
;B[qh]
;W[gg]C[barakeel [3d\]: oh yeah sorry dont work
gogonuts [5d\]: no, g5 doesnt do anything
Ruby [4k\]: lol
Welvang [7d\]: g5 h4 j4 j5 k5 l5 k6 h6 
gogonuts [5d\]: e8 is a gote cut
Headbiter [1d\]: why not looks like semedori to me
Rukis [26k\]: semedori?
]
;B[nk]
;W[nl]
;B[fg]C[Trivia [3k?\]: this can be a very long ko
gogonuts [5d\]: k5 k6
]
;W[bp]C[Headbiter [1d\]: oh lol...
inRadio [11k?\]: g5 threat\\
]
;B[bq]
;W[gg]C[Elitios [7k?\]: b4 seki threat?
Goprince [3d\]: g5 bad threat
Headbiter [1d\]: w can eat the d9 stone cause of b11 and a9
Ruby [4k\]: lol not seki
Ruby [4k\]: read
Trivia [3k?\]: B4 threat for a more expensive ko
]
;B[io]C[Headbiter [1d\]: so i guess b start withplaying at b9 first
barakeel [3d\]: is white making a come back?
gogonuts [5d\]: no
]
;W[ip]C[giuhkh: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: but a good attempt
]
;B[hp]
;W[go]
;B[fg]C[amazato [3k\]: more threats
Syptryn [5d?\]: m1 
Draxt [2k\]: e8 semedorai at least
]
;W[gr]
;B[hr]
;W[gg]C[Newstyle [4k\]:  f6 j6 e8 
]
;B[fn]C[Newstyle [4k\]: ?
Syptryn [5d?\]: mmm
]
;W[in]C[gogonuts [5d\]: also b13 will threaten the w corner
]
;B[fg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g13
obsesi [-\]: who win ?
gogonuts [5d\]: not b13
Trivia [3k?\]: e8 even more tangible
barakeel [3d\]: has black anything to lose?
Griffin1 [23k\]: right now white is winning
]
;W[ao]C[Elitios [7k?\]: ..
gogonuts [5d\]: #b doing fine
giuhkh: victor plays yugioh? lol
thekar [5k\]: ignore
Griffin1 [23k\]: nvm 
]
;B[bk]C[thekar [5k\]: this is no ko threat
Trivia [3k?\]: victor should play tetris to spite ali
thekar [5k\]: is it?
Draxt [2k\]: haha
Welvang [7d\]: ouch
gogonuts [5d\]: oops
barakeel [3d\]: woot?
TonyTiger [5d?\]: lol
giuhkh: fail?
Trivia [3k?\]: double ko
TonyTiger [5d?\]: mega fail
giuhkh: lol
Welvang [7d\]: not really
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w 6 points penalty
giuhkh: ouch
Draxt [2k\]: a8 
Welvang [7d\]: seriously ?
Trivia [3k?\]: w lost
mihi [6d\]: mega fail?
gogonuts [5d\]: thats saying too much, but b9 is ahuge detour
Rukis [26k\]: why doesnt black play b5?
Welvang [7d\]: and black ?
mihi [6d\]: double ko
mihi [6d\]: :))
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2
Trivia [3k?\]: penalty for going overtime?
Welvang [7d\]: I hate this rule -_-
AhsokaTano [3d\]: penalty ? what do that mean ?
giuhkh: ING rules should be banned imho
shambli [1k\]: b9 threatens e8
Trivia [3k?\]: ING rulez
aditsu [1k?\]: who are they on kgs?
NorthWind [4k\]: weird tournament rules
mmmd [-\]: inh rules you loose points for using too much time ... ^^
LaMomia [6k?\]: B won, why they keep playing?
Welvang [7d\]: oohaah an sandmann
Trivia [3k?\]: Ali is OohAah
weiqidevil [-\]: What is the penalty-rule?
kindgo [3k\]: seems black is sure to loose one of the ko now
tapir [2d\]: ın other rules you lose ınstantly
thekar [5k\]: e8 to kill for b?
aditsu [1k?\]: aha
Murugandi [6d\]: viktor = sandmann
fernobob [2k\]: in other ruels you get overtime before losing
Draxt [2k\]: at least a8 b5 give a10 threat
fernobob [2k\]: usual;ly at least
gogonuts [5d\]: i take it back, b9 wins 
]
;W[ck]C[NorthWind [4k\]: haha, room is empty except these 2
giuhkh: only in suddeen death games tapir
giuhkh: lol
giuhkh: sudden*
]
;B[dj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: g13
]
;W[dl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ???
]
;B[gg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: d8 is extra bad
]
;W[eb]C[Welvang [7d\]: why ?
]
;B[ef]C[giuhkh: huh?
gogonuts [5d\]: later b can still cut
Welvang [7d\]: and ?
Syptryn [5d?\]: that yikes
giuhkh: cut fails?
Syptryn [5d?\]: this so bad for white
Welvang [7d\]: It's same as e8 
soulangel [4d\]: w lost
gogonuts [5d\]: first squeeze
]
;W[jc]C[grco [-\]: cant cut imidiately
]
;B[ic]
;W[ja]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b also 6 points
cloudo [3k\]: lol
]
;B[al]C[Draxt [2k\]: e12 bigger than K19?
amazato [3k\]: still even i think
thekar [5k\]: b can use h6 aji to make g6 bigger, then play e8?
gogonuts [5d\]: ok, its just bad for ko threats
AhsokaTano [3d\]: can u get a negative score with this penalty thing ?
mihi [6d\]: M19 is big 
qrqr [3d\]: you mean 6 in total, or 6 more?
barakeel [3d\]: this ko is unwinnable for black
gogonuts [5d\]: w has to play another move though, so it never gained a point
liq3 [4k\]: Ing Time seems silly :<
]
;W[eh]
;B[aj]C[Trivia [3k?\]: B just won it bara
giuhkh: lol
NorthWind [4k\]: next B gets his ipod confiscated :)
]
;W[la]
;B[ma]C[Draxt [2k\]: f17 ?
barakeel [3d\]: this is very strange
thekar [5k\]: b h6, then after the sequence e8 for the kill?
Trivia [3k?\]: M17 anbother ko
barakeel [3d\]: i thougth connect was sente for white
]
;AE[pa][ob]AB[oa][pb]C[giuhkh: ?
gogonuts [5d\]: but w didnt want to give away the double ko
obsesi [-\]: undo ?
liq3 [4k\]: >.<
giuhkh: ahh
giuhkh: lol
Trivia [3k?\]: B had E12 then
gogonuts [5d\]: magic
]
;W[ob]C[paulcodiny [6k\]: magic
Mikho [?\]: tesuji
Sefirotj [7k\]: lol
Vouvray [4k\]: new rules again ? :p
]
;B[]
;W[lc]C[cloudo [3k\]: there is no undo in tournaments, right?
]
;B[pa]
;W[mb]C[cloudo [3k\]: set is set?
giuhkh: scriber made mistake
Elitios [7k?\]: h6?
daibangvn4 [-\]: move rev move
inRadio [11k?\]: for under 20 u can du undo :D
Stacy [2d\]: black win ?
giuhkh: LOL
cloudo [3k\]: really?
inRadio [11k?\]: No
cloudo [3k\]: :3
inRadio [11k?\]: wrong replied
]
;B[ad]
;W[ac]
;B[ae]
;W[bb]C[Lesmian [1d\]: undo costs 361 points
]
;B[lb]
;W[nc]C[paulcodiny [6k\]: the only chance after taking undo is eat more then 361 stones?)
]
;B[nf]C[Trivia [3k?\]: pretty close now
]
;W[qo]C[barakeel [3d\]: black has still da win
]
;B[ro]
;W[qn]C[gogonuts [5d\]: is it?
giuhkh: both have 6 point penalty?
grco [-\]: not so close
gogonuts [5d\]: i think b is fine
Elitios [7k?\]: SE: B+ 21
obsesi [-\]: not even close
amazato [3k\]: lol
summerwind [23k?\]: may be... does he use headphones for helping?
GoShinobi [-\]: eurogo did Lukas kraemer win the 2. round ??
]
;B[er]C[Hightime [2d\]: yup
thekar [5k\]: b is seeing e8 weakness
GoShinobi [-\]: ok thx
cloudo [3k\]: he is listening to the lates soccerdata
thekar [5k\]: now he tries to reduce ws liberties
flameneck [6k\]: b plus 5
]
;W[kd]C[Geoy [7k\]: Black doesn't have enough libs to cut yet
gogonuts [5d\]: w would need double komi to win
giuhkh: how many rounds are there?
thekar [5k\]: he can get more by h6
]
;B[je]C[Geoy [7k\]: still not enough
Geoy [7k\]: read it out
]
;W[mb]
;B[na]C[Trivia [3k?\]: i count B+10 on the booard. komi 8
NorthWind [4k\]: chinese rules
]
;W[pi]
;B[qi]
(;W[mf])
(;W[mg]C[Draxt [2k\]: e8 is only 1 point rigth ?
grco [-\]: viktor is probably listening to requiem
giuhkh: haha
beoren [1k\]: lol
]
;B[pp]
;W[po]
;B[ea]
;W[da]
;B[fa]C[summerwind [23k?\]: radio "good turn"
amazato [3k\]: i like this song
amazato [3k\]: ^^
HoTing [1d\]: who is winning?
giuhkh: b
flameneck [6k\]: b
summerwind [23k?\]: i
gogonuts [5d\]: b +5 was a pretty good estimate imo
flameneck [6k\]: ty
obsesi [-\]: i thought ali jabarin is the winner but since you said b.. it's okay
Hightime [2d\]: yes
Hightime [2d\]: b is ali jab
]
;W[ha]C[cloudo [3k\]: dung
]
;B[gb]
;W[dd]C[obsesi [-\]: is b his nickname ?
Hightime [2d\]: b = black
obsesi [-\]: ooh
obsesi [-\]: i see :)
]
;B[og]C[aditsu [1k?\]: lol
giuhkh: f17 e16 g19 better for b right?
obsesi [-\]: i'm beginner and new to go
obsesi [-\]: sorry
Trivia [3k?\]: so dumb
giuhkh: instead of g19?
]
;W[es]C[Hightime [2d\]: np
]
;B[gs]C[cloudo [3k\]: lol
Elitios [7k?\]: why didn't b f17 instead of g18
Elitios [7k?\]: ?
Elitios [7k?\]: wasn't it sente?
]
;W[de]C[Trivia [3k?\]: it was 0 point sente
beoren [1k\]: no
shambli [1k\]: to leave the possibility of e16 f17 d16 
cloudo [3k\]: at least u hide ur rank thats very powerfull
obsesi [-\]: e8 cause white lost one point
Hightime [2d\]: yes
Elitios [7k?\]: oh ok
kindgo [3k\]: d8
Hightime [2d\]: b should e8
obsesi [-\]: e8 for b now ?
thekar [5k\]: first f1?
Griffin1 [23k\]: obsesi is a 4d
obsesi [-\]: only dead
]
;B[ei]C[Griffin1 [23k\]: well 4d?
]
;W[mf]C[obsesi [-\]: i'm beginner
]
;B[fs]C[Hightime [2d\]: no you're not :)
barakeel [3d\]: e8 worth onepoint sente?
]
;W[ds]C[cloudo [3k\]: b will never play e8
thekar [5k\]: there it is
thekar [5k\]: now h6
]
;B[as]C[liq3 [4k\]: what's the penalty?
Wazato [4d\]: no one care
]
;W[el]C[NorthWind [4k\]: Go beginner, veteran troll :)
thekar [5k\]: :-(
juj [4k\]: e8 isn't worth any points
thekar [5k\]: you suck b ..
Trivia [3k?\]: E8 no points for B
juj [4k\]: since white has to play it anyway
]
;B[cs]C[barakeel [3d\]: ithought it was
obsesi [-\]: i'm totally beginner
]
;W[cf]C[juj [4k\]: if bE8, then black would play two stones inside, and white would play 3
]
;B[bf]
;W[bs]C[Headbiter [1d\]: but with e8 there its a snapback if w eats from inside
Hightime [2d\]: if b plays e8, w has to play f8, and e7, and e8
barakeel [3d\]: cause white had to play to stones
]
;B[jo]C[juj [4k\]: so also white plays one more stone inside
]
;W[ko]
;B[cs]
;W[ed]
;B[cf]C[Liso66 [6k?\]: ko is bigger in chinesse rules lik in japan
liq3 [4k\]: B+1.5?
thekar [5k\]: but im only 5k ..
mmmd [-\]: aren't ing rules with stones counting ?
obsesi [-\]: that's why i said b lost the potential to get 1 point, juj
]
(;W[bs]C[Headbiter [1d\]: no b plays one stone while w plays 3
Elitios [7k?\]: f10?
obsesi [-\]: playing e8 erasing b potential to get 1 point from white
Headbiter [1d\]: that equals 2 stones
barakeel [3d\]: yes headbiter
juj [4k\]: no, white would atari
juj [4k\]: if black doesn't connect, then white captures
Headbiter [1d\]: yes and its snapback juj
cloudo [3k\]: wow w got much points at l19...
thekar [5k\]: i believe he could have killed w or forced him to spend lots more points
])
(;W[ge]
;B[bs]C[juj [4k\]: Headbiter: yeah, you're right. that's 3 against one
]
;W[fc]C[Headbiter [1d\]: w has to eat and then conect
]
;B[gc]
;W[ia]
;B[ga]C[juj [4k\]: I was reading black has to connect
andreiraz [2k\]: b+3.5
]
;W[fj]C[mmmd [-\]: so i mean isn't this ko worth as much as dame ?
psblue [4k\]: b+10.5 after SE
thekar [5k\]: c19?
]
;B[ca]
;W[db]C[Hightime [2d\]: nope
obsesi [-\]: i can't count the point :p
Headbiter [1d\]: but b did get the ko point there at the end
Hightime [2d\]: dame is worth more than ko
thekar [5k\]: c18
daladim [1d\]: c18 b19
]
;B[cj]C[Trivia [3k?\]: ingr rules person with more groups extra points?
]
;W[dh]C[Liso66 [6k?\]: in chinesse rules every stone on board are points
cloudo [3k\]: n15
]
;B[me]
;W[oi]C[Liso66 [6k?\]: so ko is 2 points
cloudo [3k\]: yesss
Headbiter [1d\]: eated stones is not points
Stacy [2d\]: result ?
grco [-\]: even in INGs Liso
hulken [1d\]: ko is 1 point but it is 1 point for 2 moves so you count it as ½ point
Liso66 [6k?\]: ings is variant of chinesse
Liso66 [6k?\]: yes
Trivia [3k?\]: so ING playing in your own territory not a loss?
go1d [6d\]: no hulken
NorthWind [4k\]: they are counting
go1d [6d\]: ko is 1/3 point
grco [-\]: Liso do you know cheater?
go1d [6d\]: i don't know why but that's it
Liso66 [6k?\]: cheater is my son :)
Griffin1 [23k\]: B won
Hightime [2d\]: 1 prisonner in 3 moves
Headbiter [1d\]: i dont think you accomplish much playing in your own territory regardless of the rules
Hightime [2d\]: = 1/3 points
grco [-\]: I though it:-)
Hightime [2d\]: buttrue only if jap rules
cloudo [3k\]: 3 moves?? -.-
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+2
PeterPain [3k\]: B+3,5
Welvang [7d\]: ??
mmmd [-\]: no but in area scoring dame are worth as much as such a ko
obsesi [-\]: like father like son.. but why cheater much stronger than liso ?
cloudo [3k\]: b-2,333
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2.5
Trivia [3k?\]: well if there's a cut or something.... you'll need to play in your territory
giuhkh: ali plays lukan next round?
Trivia [3k?\]: that's why i'm asking if under ING there's no penalty
cloudo [3k\]: veryvery nice game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+3.5
Hightime [2d\]: komi 8 and b wins ties is ing rule
giuhkh: lol
Hightime [2d\]: so result must be integer
betty [1d\]: 3.5?
giuhkh: score keeps changing 
KurataKun [11k\]: wow
KurataKun [11k\]: 3.5?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Final score: B+3.5
Hightime [2d\]: can't be =)
Liso66 [6k?\]: in chinesse neutral point is also point
juj [4k\]: wait, in chinese rules, it is worth starting a ko when neither player has a stone "in the ko"
Murugandi [6d\]: congrats to Ali
inRadio [11k?\]: ing = hard to coung?
juj [4k\]: instead of just filling your side of the dame
aditsu [1k?\]: view offline and score it, it's 3.5
betty [1d\]: what rules are these?
flameneck [6k\]: 1,5 point away
KurataKun [11k\]: Hello Kim\\
mmmd [-\]: can be
KurataKun [11k\]: :)
Elitios [7k?\]: O.o
GoShinobi [-\]: eurogo can you say hello to viktor and lukas from LEON ^^ 
Hightime [2d\]: ing = easy to know who wins, but harder to count
cloudo [3k\]: lol
cloudo [3k\]: und form me: horst
klammer122 [8k\]: and from me: juwel
klammer122 [8k\]: =D
cloudo [3k\]: ^^
Hightime [2d\]: ask lukas if he comes to EGC this year
Hightime [2d\]: btw
klammer122 [8k\]: he comes
klammer122 [8k\]: i know
GoShinobi [-\]: hi juwel
cloudo [3k\]: that was the beste game i saw for a long time
grco [-\]: liso, dufam ze palko vyhra. marek
Simoff [1d?\]: cloudo - german?
klammer122 [8k\]: can someone send the link with the results
klammer122 [8k\]: and EuroGoTV online?
Griffin1 [23k\]: Did Lukas win his match?
obsesi [-\]: WHY I COUNTED W + 2,5 ??
soulangel [4d\]: did lukas win?
obsesi [-\]: where's my mistake ?
Liso66 [6k?\]: lukan won
Liso66 [6k?\]: if kraemer I dont know
grco [-\]: can someone post a link?
Liso66 [6k?\]: which link?
grco [-\]: to this championship
klammer122 [8k\]: with the results
klammer122 [8k\]: and pairing
klammer122 [8k\]: and so on
klammer122 [8k\]: EuroGoTV1
klammer122 [8k\]: posted it in the beginning
klammer122 [8k\]: hi leon
GoShinobi [-\]: hi :P
klammer122 [8k\]: hast du den link
klammer122 [8k\]: für die seiteß
klammer122 [8k\]: ?
GoShinobi [-\]: eurogo ?
GoShinobi [-\]: da ist nix mehr 
klammer122 [8k\]: ka
GoShinobi [-\]: mit dem video meinste ?
GoShinobi [-\]: also livestream
klammer122 [8k\]: nee
GoShinobi [-\]: sondern ?
klammer122 [8k\]: das hab ich schon so gefunden
klammer122 [8k\]: das war so ne seite
klammer122 [8k\]: die wurde am anfang veröffentlicht von EuroGoTV1 hier dem kerl
klammer122 [8k\]: und da waren die ergebnisse und pairing und so
klammer122 [8k\]: will wissen ob lukas gewonnen hat =)
GoShinobi [-\]: aso 
GoShinobi [-\]: ich glaube erste verloren 2. gewonnen 
GoShinobi [-\]: aber bin nicht sicher
klammer122 [8k\]: ja erste verloren hab ich da nachgucken können
klammer122 [8k\]: hab die seite aber dummerweise geschlossen...
grco [-\]: wei, cheater beat dusan mitic....
GoShinobi [-\]: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/results.php?lang=en
GoShinobi [-\]: hab sie gefunden 
klammer122 [8k\]: danke =D
GoShinobi [-\]: aber noch net aktualisiert
grco [-\]: https://sites.google.com/site/eygc2011
klammer122 [8k\]: und ich such mich hier dumm und dusselig =D
GoShinobi [-\]: :P
seeblick [1d\]: just load the game offline - and you can see all comments
Liso66 [6k?\]: mitic is ill
grco [-\]: no appologies:-)
betty [1d\]: must be all the travelling he deas :P
betty [1d\]: *does
eatramen [8k\]: who won
Sefirotj [7k\]: black
cbh12550 [1d\]: bann10
])))