(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[3600]OT[1x10 byo-yomi] GN[European Youth Goe Championships 2011 (Under 20, board 2)]PW[Ali Jabarin]PB[Lukáš Podpěra ]WR[6d]BR[4d]DT[2011-03-12]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/] ;B[cp]C[Javaness [3d\]: ahoy ] ;W[pd] ;B[dc] ;W[pp] ;B[nq] ;W[qn] ;B[pr]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ahoj :) ] ;W[ep] ;B[gq] ;W[cq] ;B[bq] ;W[dq] ;B[cm] ;W[bo] ;B[bp] ;W[gp] ;B[hp] ;W[co] ;B[do]C[ninchat [1k\]: c'est qui le garçon et c'est qui la fille? ] ;W[dp] ;B[cn] ;W[dn] ;B[eo] ;W[fn] ;B[ao] ;W[fo] ;B[bn] ;W[hq] ;B[fq] ;W[ip] ;B[ho] ;W[ir] ;B[hr] ;W[iq] ;B[fp] ;W[hn] ;B[er] ;W[co] ;B[bo] ;W[en] ;B[co] ;W[qq]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: huh, megaspeedo :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 ] ;B[kq] ;W[io] ;B[no]C[Javaness [3d\]: slow game this ] ;W[de]C[Javaness [3d\]: that looks really bad for white to me klammer122 [8k\]: EuroGoTVcan you post the link with the pairing? blurb: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/pairing.php?lang=en EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not yet, maybe later EuroGoTV2 [-\]: this is still 3rd round klammer122 [8k\]: thx klammer122 [8k\]: but why are there results of 3 round klammer122 [8k\]: s klammer122 [8k\]: at "results"? klammer122 [8k\]: isn't this 4th round? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ah, sorry EuroGoTV2 [-\]: this is 4th round klammer122 [8k\]: ok=) EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but title is bad cherisse [-\]: someone needs coffee ] ;B[dg] ;W[gd] ;B[dd]C[HoTing [1d\]: lots of strong european childrens Javaness [3d\]: old style ] ;W[jd]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: K16=i forgot d16 joseki ? ^^ ] ;B[ee] ;W[qf]C[gofreddy [3k\]: mayb w aims to build moyo gofreddy [3k\]: p 18 ? mihi [6d\]: hmm...D15 is big rayheart [1d\]: g16 looked fun. gofreddy [3k\]: i d15 b d 14 w can continue ? Jinni [2k\]: hows ali in the standings gofreddy [3k\]: *if mihi [6d\]: I understand white's strategy but he lost a lot of points there ] ;B[pc] ;W[oc] ;B[ob]C[rayheart [1d\]: ali is second but he had lost 1 game gofreddy [3k\]: oho Javaness [3d\]: I feel like white lost too much cash ToDie [3d\]: yes, i agree cherisse [-\]: ali lost vs pavol~ ] ;W[od] ;B[qb] ;W[nb] ;B[qd] ;W[qe] ;B[rd] ;W[oa] ;B[pb] ;W[nm]C[Jinni [2k\]: so pavol is 1st? ToDie [3d\]: yes EuroGoTV2 [-\]: results: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/results.php?lang=en ] ;B[nk]C[cherisse [-\]: now pavol is vs 2d. easy? Jinni [2k\]: i thought he was 2d ] ;W[lk]C[Jinni [2k\]: this is what w wanted rayheart [1d\]: this is fun :P ] ;B[of] ;W[ph] ;B[oh] ;W[oi] ;B[pi] ;W[nh] ;B[og] ;W[qh] ;B[ni] ;W[oj] ;B[nj] ;W[mh]C[Jinni [2k\]: i can see the corner getting damaged moi [1d\]: black is heavy on the left Jinni [2k\]: you mean concentrated ] ;B[qm] ;W[pj] ;B[pn] ;W[pm] ;B[qo] ;W[rn] ;B[ql]C[evanj [3d\]: uh, isn't the camera on the wrong board? AhSayuni [4d\]: p6 q5 s5 ? ] ;W[ro] ;B[om] ;W[on] ;B[pl]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: that was my other guess :p AhSayuni [4d\]: p5 AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe o6 AhSayuni [4d\]: o6 does look nicer EuroGoTV2 [-\]: evanj: we have two cameras and a lot of boards ;) ] ;W[po]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: ho? AhSayuni [4d\]: ko? evanj [3d\]: no? AhSayuni [4d\]: seems like a strange choice.. but I guess he judged it was hard to capture anyway ] ;B[nn] ;W[pm]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: since b can try to run with m10 AhSayuni [4d\]: hmm.. and the ponnuki would be great ] ;B[ol]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: if m10 w would take ] ;W[mm] ;B[lj] ;W[kk] ;B[lh] ;W[lg] ;B[kh] ;W[mf]C[whuang [4k\]: hello ] ;B[kj] ;W[ik] ;B[rj]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: hello ] ;W[ri] ;B[qj] ;W[qi]C[Typhon [2k\]: offer is comenting on ali's game.. ] ;B[ij]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: and Typhon is commenting about Ofer commenting Ali's game... ] ;W[hk] ;B[jf]C[Typhon [2k\]: why is 7th playing 1st and 2nd playing 4th? Typhon [2k\]: dosnt it give an unfair cahnce for the top to stay at the top? AhSayuni [4d\]: j12? AhSayuni [4d\]: there doesn't seem to be an eye at the s8 area, even in gote ] ;W[je] ;B[kf]C[Typhon [2k\]: B has enough room to run away to the left withput losing too much though dosnt he? ] ;W[le]C[Typhon [2k\]: if needed* ] ;B[ih] ;W[mq]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: ! ] ;B[mr] ;W[mp] ;B[np] ;W[lr] ;B[nr] ;W[lq] ;B[qr]C[k0n0 [?\]: there is a gote eye in the s8 area: t9 ] ;W[rr] ;B[pq]C[Typhon [2k\]: nice outcome by W i guess Typhon [2k\]: for* ] ;W[qp] ;B[rs] ;W[qs]C[Typhon [2k\]: did B just commit suicide? Jinni [2k\]: b can m5 Typhon [2k\]: pointless W would just M7 blurb: m5 l2 i guess Jinni [2k\]: then l2 chrpa [1d\]: go lukan pinish [2d\]: if he can make n1 sente than he lives so m7 for m5 is not good mtnlakes [7k\]: over Typhon [2k\]: L2 for M5 is good pinish [2d\]: yup Randomgu1 [4k\]: I like thinking about the huge brainstorm the players must be going through at times like this Jinni [2k\]: you like thinking about other people thinking about go Typhon [2k\]: nea Ali is probably thinking about the S.A.T in April Typhon [2k\]: thats what i suspect chrpa [1d\]: if black just p1 it would live right? ] ;B[lm]C[chrpa [1d\]: thats a pity Randomgu1 [4k\]: n8? Typhon [2k\]: P1 is no longer life Typhon [2k\]: W can N1 after P1 Typhon [2k\]: N6? klammer122 [8k\]: n8? ] ;W[lo] ;B[op]C[Typhon [2k\]: P2? ] ;W[mn]C[Typhon [2k\]: oh yea no need cool chrpa [1d\]: n1 ] ;B[gb]C[chrpa [1d\]: ? lamchan [3k\]: ^^ Typhon [2k\]: so N2 was needed fter all chrpa [1d\]: i would be nice if somebody enlight me (or us) Typhon [2k\]: P2** chrpa [1d\]: but n1 lives right? Typhon [2k\]: us chrpa lamchan [3k\]: ya blurb: i dont understand p4 nor n6 nor tenuki chrpa [1d\]: :) typhon chrpa [1d\]: if ali playes n1 its all clear :) Typhon [2k\]: P2 or N1 instead of N6 should have killes no? blurb: 30 points is small now? Typhon [2k\]: maybe G18 is bigger? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: :))) chrpa [1d\]: its like 40 points to loose right? tokko [1d\]: thomas debarre participe au tournoi? blurb: some high dan can explain whats goin on? ] ;W[ci]C[CGBSpender [?\]: s3 t1 t3 t4 q1 chrpa [1d\]: i guess thay really play move begin than 40 points ] ;B[bh]C[Typhon [2k\]: hey matt is alive hi spander! CGBSpender [?\]: hello typhon Typhon [2k\]: Its Whitepawn in a new dusguise blurb: oh b already dead bn1 wp1 CGBSpender [?\]: ah :) LovroKlc [-\]: lol LovroKlc [-\]: anyone can explain? chrpa [1d\]: i guess white kills now with n1 Typhon [2k\]: blurb-> Bn1 Wp1 Bp2 W? HonDaHoLa [7d\]: black group cannot be killed unconditionally, only ko left there for white blurb: o1 HonDaHoLa [7d\]: which mean good game for white from here blurb: sry Typhon [2k\]: Homdahola why did W play N6 instead of P2 or N1? HonDaHoLa [7d\]: problem is that after black Q1 white cannot connect EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game at: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 ] ;W[gr] ;B[fr] ;W[hs] ;B[cr]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: I guess white has decided he can win without fighting the ko AhSayuni [4d\]: but he can't... AhSayuni [4d\]: can he?.. ] ;W[ms]C[chrpa [1d\]: but if white n1 now? what would be black answer? HonDaHoLa [7d\]: seems so to me HonDaHoLa [7d\]: atari at Q6 ] ;B[pn]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: right ] ;W[dr]C[chrpa [1d\]: i see it now, i have to read more , thanks ] ;B[ds] ;W[pm]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: anyway, white is not playing consistently now ] ;B[rq]C[Jinni [2k\]: how much time is left HonDaHoLa [7d\]: letting a lot of threats went astray ] ;W[ss] ;B[pn]C[CGBSpender [?\]: oh ] ;W[br]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: well this why the ko was dangerous ... HonDaHoLa [7d\]: black capture now in sente Typhon [2k\]: ? CGBSpender [?\]: i had missed the damezumari above, was looking at the one below ] ;B[oo]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: nice TonyTiger [5d?\]: ....... HonDaHoLa [7d\]: black seems fine now AhSayuni [4d\]: hm? CGBSpender [?\]: execute threat Jinni [2k\]: c1 go chrpa [1d\]: is there a ko again? pinish [2d\]: b cant kill if w c1 Am I wrong? Jinni [2k\]: no chrpa [1d\]: i see ko on both sides :) (everywhere) :) HonDaHoLa [7d\]: no ko there chrpa [1d\]: aha :) Typhon [2k\]: a ko favors W AhSayuni [4d\]: s4 r5 t3 kills.. yeah Jinni [2k\]: no ko w has miai AhSayuni [4d\]: w can attempt b8 after taking Typhon [2k\]: if B plays G5 chrpa [1d\]: s4 r5 t3 t4 t5 t6 HonDaHoLa [7d\]: and then connect HonDaHoLa [7d\]: big eye chrpa [1d\]: wow aha HonDaHoLa [7d\]: but seems black can manage koafter white c1 AhSayuni [4d\]: ?.. Jinni [2k\]: ? HonDaHoLa [7d\]: playing f1 Typhon [2k\]: well no matter what C1 should be played no right? Typhon [2k\]: now* ] ;W[cs] ;B[rp]C[Jinni [2k\]: yep HonDaHoLa [7d\]: I guess it was wrong ] ;W[bi]C[HonDaHoLa [7d\]: now black has the game in his hands ] ;B[ch]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: :O AhSayuni [4d\]: b8 chrpa [1d\]: and maybe start the f1 ko for free? Jinni [2k\]: b8 is too aggressive AhSayuni [4d\]: umm.. ok AhSayuni [4d\]: what do you suggest? CGBSpender [?\]: f1 a2 ,no ? Jinni [2k\]: resigning AhSayuni [4d\]: lol HonDaHoLa [7d\]: far from resigning, a long way to go ... ] ;W[ei]C[Typhon [2k\]: i think B8 is the only thing left to do for W isnt it? ] ;B[ck]C[Typhon [2k\]: never mind Typhon [2k\]: A8? AhSayuni [4d\]: I think psychology is important now madalina: f1 a2 e3 why doesn't black play ko? ] ;W[fg]C[Jinni [2k\]: its not his turn psblue [4k\]: is A3 sente for black ? Typhon [2k\]: so is physics otherwise the board and stones will start floating whats your point ofer? madalina: jinni, instead of c9 Jinni [2k\]: no need to complicate things AhSayuni [4d\]: w needs to use b's euphoria ] ;B[eh]C[Jinni [2k\]: b is ahead AhSayuni [4d\]: hoping be got over confident madalina: that is a hanami ko; a hanami ko cannot complicate things! AhSayuni [4d\]: b* ] ;W[fh] ;B[di] ;W[dj] ;B[dh] ;W[cj] ;B[ej]C[Typhon [2k\]: D9 AhSayuni [4d\]: for sure ] ;W[dk]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: this might already b a gain for w AhSayuni [4d\]: be* Jinni [2k\]: i dont think f1 works anyway EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w in byoyomi (2 points penalty) madalina: why not? AhSayuni [4d\]: >< madalina: f1 a2 e3 anapazapa [2d\]: an eye and a half thats exactly 1.5 Jinni [2k\]: i think f1 g1 AhSayuni [4d\]: how much time left for b? Typhon [2k\]: whats does it mean 2 points penalty? madalina: f1 g1 g5 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 3 minutes to byo Jinni [2k\]: g5 g6 madalina: then e3 ] ;B[aq]C[madalina: atari ] ;W[fi]C[madalina: well jinni? ] ;B[es]C[Jinni [2k\]: i read something else madalina: misread you mean? Jinni [2k\]: no ] ;W[go] ;B[ar]C[madalina: then what did you mean? Jinni [2k\]: i mean i read something different madalina: g1 g1 g5 g6 e3 what different? madalina: f1* Jinni [2k\]: why does it matter now ] ;W[gs]C[madalina: to clarify yourself :) Jinni [2k\]: i think i did madalina: ok AhSayuni [4d\]: s18 is a decent threat too EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Typhon: ING rules are applied, basic time limit 60 minutes, Ing's overtime 3x10 min, two points penalty for each starting period, then sudden death. AhSayuni [4d\]: also using d15 I guess ] ;B[dl]C[Typhon [2k\]: so for each bo yomi youl ose 2 points? AhSayuni [4d\]: b9 AhSayuni [4d\]: ? anapazapa [2d\]: whats the point in not starting the ko right away? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes ] ;W[el]C[Typhon [2k\]: wow... harsh aloc [6d\]: is there already a list with the results ] ;B[ib]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://www.czech-go.net/eygc2011/results.php?lang=en ] ;W[bk]C[aloc [6d\]: thanks ] ;B[bl]C[Typhon [2k\]: E14? anapazapa [2d\]: the straight 30pt ko at b1? is there something i dont get? ] ;W[jb]C[Jinni [2k\]: f1 ] ;B[ic] ;W[jc] ;B[bs]C[chrpa [1d\]: white has these ko threats at s3 area psblue [4k\]: is there a ko in the lower right corner after w R5? ] ;W[as] ;B[nc]C[Jinni [2k\]: are you playing with milan smartrobot Jinni [2k\]: no ko AhSayuni [4d\]: no ko?.. psblue [4k\]: if b T3 smartrobot [9d\]: yes Typhon [2k\]: is N11a thrteat? ] ;W[mb] ;B[bs]C[Jinni [2k\]: b t3 no ko ] ;W[qo]C[psblue [4k\]: then, w T4 psblue [4k\]: B tF, w T6 psblue [4k\]: b t5, w T 6 ] ;B[sq] ;W[as]C[Jinni [2k\]: well lets see ] ;B[mc]C[Typhon [2k\]: i was sure he is going to ignore chrpa [1d\]: no ko, but many many threats ] ;W[lc] ;B[bs]C[Savate: t4 ? ] ;W[rb]C[chrpa [1d\]: t4 t5 t6 t4 Jinni [2k\]: yep chrpa [1d\]: 7dan showed me before :) psblue [4k\]: oh, no eye in the 5 pts shape :p blurb: is it big enough? chrpa [1d\]: yeap, you got it anapazapa [2d\]: b is ko threat trillionaire, w should just walk away blurb: id take sente with c2 now but what do i know.. anapazapa [2d\]: i mean vice versa sry anapazapa [2d\]: i mean theyre both Honeycake [3k\]: ko ] ;B[ra] ;W[as] ;B[pe] ;W[md] ;B[bs] ;W[sp] ;B[so] ;W[as] ;B[oe] ;W[nd] ;B[bs] ;W[sn] ;B[sp] ;W[as] ;B[rg] ;W[qg] ;B[bs] ;W[sr]C[Typhon [2k\]: T19? ] ;B[sp] ;W[as] ;B[mg] ;W[ng] ;B[bs] ;W[sj] ;B[sl] ;W[as]C[chaklun [-\]: j1 Gimli511 [11k\]: yeah j1 is nice psblue [4k\]: a 11 Typhon [2k\]: ali has a lot more threats no? ] ;B[ml]C[psblue [4k\]: sry chrpa [1d\]: there is a cut no? AhSayuni [4d\]: I think w can f1 kontkor: ignore, ko is more than 10 points bigger ] ;W[ll]C[Typhon [2k\]: W has T19 and S8 x2 and T3and D14 Draxt [2k\]: n11 ? ] ;B[bs] ;W[rp] ;B[sq] ;W[as]C[Typhon [2k\]: B N5 ] ;B[mo] ;W[ln] ;B[bs]C[Typhon [2k\]: WS8 AhSayuni [4d\]: s9? ] ;W[ef]C[Typhon [2k\]: s9 1 ko threat S 8 is 2 flameneck [6k\]: s8 better ] ;B[ce]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: well.. it's b's choice EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Time penalty: w - 4 points, b - 2 points ] ;W[as]C[chrpa [1d\]: wow Typhon [2k\]: Se really likes Ali ] ;B[ai]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: this ko is like 24 points... AhSayuni [4d\]: switch ko! AhSayuni [4d\]: ? yugen [2k\]: more yugen [2k\]: far more Draxt [2k\]: a10 safe enough? Typhon [2k\]: a10 more ko fight Typhon [2k\]: but it looks like something ali would do Draxt [2k\]: a10 e9 a12 f8 e7 f9 b13 seems ok for white kindgo [3k\]: f1 AhSayuni [4d\]: I think f1 would be fine flameneck [6k\]: no chrpa [1d\]: white has many more threats ] ;W[ek] ;B[bs] ;W[rk]C[Typhon [2k\]: lol O1 is alos a threat hilarious [2d\]: wow hilarious [2d\]: very cool game :D Typhon [2k\]: why s 9 and not S8?? AhSayuni [4d\]: hehe Gimli511 [11k\]: I wonder why he chose s9? ] ;B[rl]C[yugen [2k\]: isn't that very small ??? ] ;W[as]C[Typhon [2k\]: its 1 less ko threat GoShinobi [-\]: s8 loses points ] ;B[jk]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: this way he won't lose a stone flameneck [6k\]: p2 is ko freat ] ;W[fs] ;B[jl] ;W[km]C[kindgo [3k\]: a8 Randomgu1 [4k\]: how is P2 a ko threat? AhSayuni [4d\]: a threat for a ko, I guess kindgo [3k\]: it is not, only yose ] ;B[re]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: take 2? ] ;W[qk] ;B[rf] ;W[df] ;B[cf]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: finally se seems accurate psblue [4k\]: w + 30 ??!! ] ;W[cl]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b has also 4 points penalty hhikaru [7k\]: 4 points penalty ? Typhon [2k\]: wasnt S17 bigger than L7? ] ;B[al]C[CptHook [5k\]: someone says se cant count chinese rules mpepe16 [5d\]: Ali just so cool. AhSayuni [4d\]: :) ] ;W[ed] ;B[ec] ;W[fe]C[eric1010 [-\]: black loose T__T ] ;B[im] ;W[hj] ;B[hi] ;W[gi]C[blurb: se cant count correctly how much 1 wins but tendency is correct with chinese rules also ] ;B[hm] ;W[gm]C[Murugandi [6d\]: actually with chinese rules SE tends to be wrong a lot ] ;B[il]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: true AhSayuni [4d\]: that's why I viewed offline and changed to Japanese :p Murugandi [6d\]: yea same here haha ] ;W[jn] ;B[ns] ;W[ls]C[SadPlayer [-\]: g8 AhSayuni [4d\]: ^^ ] ;B[gl] ;W[gk]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: d7? ] ;B[hl] ;W[fl] ;B[ck] ;W[aj] ;B[ah]C[SadPlayer [-\]: h12 ] ;W[dm] ;B[hg] ;W[cl]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: o8 soon ] ;B[gc] ;W[mi] ;B[mj] ;W[if] ;B[ig] ;W[nl] ;B[ok] ;W[mk] ;B[bs] ;W[eq] ;B[cr] ;W[ds] ;B[gf] ;W[he] ;B[hd] ;W[id] ;B[hc] ;W[ge] ;B[hf] ;W[lf] ;B[ke] ;W[kd]C[Typhon [2k\]: who is winning? flameneck [6k\]: w ] ;B[pa] ;W[na]C[Typhon [2k\]: i see like a 4 points diffrence AhSayuni [4d\]: b2? flameneck [6k\]: i see 20 ] ;B[ak] ;W[bj] ;B[br] ;W[kg] ;B[jg]C[Typhon [2k\]: TV whats the panely scoreing? ] ;W[li] ;B[ki] ;W[fc] ;B[fb] ;W[ie] ;B[ja] ;W[ka] ;B[ia] ;W[fd] ;B[sh]C[gazebo [-\]: white has 22 more prisoners than black... ] ;W[rh] ;B[ff] ;W[eg] ;B[hh]C[klammer122 [8k\]: no black has the right corner ] ;W[jm] ;B[jj]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: hmm ] ;W[kl] ;B[sg]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: I guess it Is close ] ;W[sk] ;B[pk] ;W[si] ;B[in] ;W[gh] ;B[gg]C[flameneck [6k\]: w plus 24,5 klammer122 [8k\]: gks says w + 36,5 AhSayuni [4d\]: 6.5\\7.5 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: finish AhSayuni [4d\]: if there isn't a penalty difference gazebo [-\]: what's the official score? Typhon [2k\]: was my counting close? hvk [-\]: W-4 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they are counting EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Time penalty was: w - 6 points, b - 4 points hhikaru [7k\]: hum so white +4.5 ? Typhon [2k\]: whats the komi? budulinek [?\]: so w+0,5 ??? eric1010 [-\]: u_u EuroGoTV2 [-\]: W+4,5 baowmanu13: ใครชนะคับ Typhon [2k\]: wow spot on!!!! AhSayuni [4d\]: :D Typhon [2k\]: GO ALI gazebo [-\]: hmmm, thanks for the relay! hvk [-\]: THX Typhon [2k\]: oh no its a gazebo!! gazebo [-\]: but they are nice things..... gazebo [-\]: you can relax there... :) EuroGoTV2 [-\]: thanks everyone, see you tomorrow eric1010 [-\]: thanks and bye ])