(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 10 board 1]PW[Kim Eunkuk]PB[Oh Chi-Min]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-08]EV[European Go Congress 2009 round 10 board 1]RO[10]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[Willem]C[chrpa [1d\]: hello
chrpa [1d\]: this will be a great game, thank you for transmission
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you're welcome, Willem will be transcribing this game today
Chilltime [2k\]: why isnt hwang´s game being broadcasted he is board 3
leadri: Can Oh Chi-Min win this tournament?
Suola [7k\]: yes, but its out of his own hands already
leadri: ok, thx
lepeksiy [-\]: oh chi-min can't win this tournament
HandA [1k\]: oh really, she's only lost 2 games
IchiYuki [-\]: chi min is a he
HandA [1k\]: then he
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Both players arrived
HandA [1k\]: So what happens if Black win?
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;B[pd]C[IchiYuki [-\]: theres still a small chancefor chi min
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;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[dp]
;B[cf]C[ColorCoded: black has to win and the right people have to lose
chrpa [1d\]: this will be a tough game
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;W[fc]
;B[bd]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[ch]
;B[dh]
;W[bf]
;B[ce]
;W[cj]
;B[di]
;W[ck]
;B[cc]
;W[ic]
;B[qo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i am sorry, they went too fast for me
BlitzOff [6k\]: np, :)
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;W[fq]C[BlitzOff [6k\]: k3 normal here?
BlitzOff [6k\]: guess not... haha
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;B[jp]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: i guess its because f3 is far away
BlitzOff [6k\]: no, i ment before f3
BlitzOff [6k\]: as f3
TeeSushi [3d\]: i guess black would just invade the corner then
TeeSushi [3d\]: and white would be low on both sides
BlitzOff [6k\]: cant black play B4 invasion still though?
BlitzOff [6k\]: but i see your point
legendia [3k\]: think w should play at r10
wolokom [5k\]: r 11?
TeeSushi [3d\]: r14 
TeeSushi [3d\]: or o17 dont know which direction is better
TeeSushi [3d\]: o17 q14 q18 r17 m16  seems nice though
tsuchigumo [-\]: Slightly prefer b here, if the sequence in the upper corner had not already been played then w would play differently to B#s approach at c14, ie would more active options
tsuchigumo [-\]: w seems just a little forced/low
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;W[qf]C[jumpdragon: r10 means st0ng
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;B[qh]C[jim [6d\]: I hope Oh Chi Min to won this game
wolokom [5k\]: duppel wing
legendia [3k\]: p14 then o16 then r 10 ^^
tsuchigumo [-\]: w will counter pincer imo, s17 leaves him low at the top
]
;W[nd]
;B[pf]
;W[pg]
;B[qg]
;W[pc]
;B[qe]
;W[qc]
;B[of]
;W[pn]C[Novalys [2k\]: b will have to get a move in the bottom left
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;B[qn]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Pushes b towards his thickness
Novalys [2k\]: p3?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Difficult choice for w
tsuchigumo [-\]: if p7 then a magari at r7 has no effect on b, while q8 is looser and and gives b many option eg q7, o6, etc
tsuchigumo [-\]: if q7*
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;W[lp]C[WorkerBee [10k\]: Is there a live broadcast of this game?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no
WorkerBee [10k\]: thank you :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: Different idea, i like it, start a fight where you are stronger
chrpa [1d\]: m4 with q6 very nice
Novalys [2k\]: Now p3 will get dangerous for b
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;B[mm]C[Novalys [2k\]: n7 ? woot
plusguy [-\]: novalys p3 is what b wants
plusguy [-\]: :p
fatihsulak [2d\]: i like black's position 
fatihsulak [2d\]: o17 and b4 are pretty big after the fight 
wolokom [5k\]: l 5?
jumpdragon: m7 says fun!
jumpdragon: attach for strength
macgill [2k\]: what a move!
jumpdragon: vs attach to make heavy, who knows~
R6 [1k\]: N7 looks great
wolokom [5k\]: yes
IchiYuki [-\]: yea but can you readit out
R6 [1k\]: no, no one. It just feels good
IchiYuki [-\]: xD
]
;W[jo]C[wolokom [5k\]: q 7 or l6
AKeshi [5k\]: Looks like black's aiming for Q7 hane at some point in the fight
tsuchigumo [-\]: This will be an interesting skirmish
R6 [1k\]: Q7
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;B[io]C[macgill [2k\]:  who knows that amateur one dan = kgs how much 
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;W[ko]C[AKeshi [5k\]: Anything from 1k to 3d I guess.
macgill [2k\]: 3d? 
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;B[hp]C[macgill [2k\]: i have a friend who is 4d in china , but here he just got 3d 
AKeshi [5k\]: I know a player whose KGS rating is 3d and he is EGF 1d, so..
macgill [2k\]: i donn't know why
R6 [1k\]: ranks are vague
AKeshi [5k\]: R6 said it.
BlitzOff [6k\]: some people are just better at real boards
egc2009gro:  bad fight for white isnt it
R6 [1k\]: Q7 is looming
AKeshi [5k\]: The fight isn't favoring either side fully yet
AKeshi [5k\]: B Q7 would tip the scale though.
macgill [2k\]: w can easily live here and attack ,
AKeshi [5k\]: And if white Q7, black will split the two groups.
seppy [?\]: can oh chi-im win the tournament?
kuvvetmira [3k\]: yes 
IchiYuki [-\]: but he has to win
tsuchigumo [-\]: l7?. p4?
seppy [?\]: ok thz
AKeshi [5k\]: Top 5 are still in one or two losses. If Kim now wins, he takes the tournament as well.
AKeshi [5k\]: If he loses, then there'll be more games to settle the final score, or then they use some of that GoR / SoS magic of theirs to deduce the final scores.
tsuchigumo [-\]: b l7 looks irritating
wolokom [5k\]: a intresting game arise
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;W[in]
;B[hn]C[kuvvetmira [3k\]:  who was champion of egc2008?
]
;W[hm]
;B[im]
;W[jn]
;B[gn]
;W[il]
;B[jm]
;W[km]
;B[jl]
;W[kk]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: interesting geta
tsuchigumo [-\]: sabaki shape really
AKeshi [5k\]: White's aim is N7 now
AKeshi [5k\]: Why black pulled out J7 is unclear to me.
TeeSushi [3d\]: its not geta
TeeSushi [3d\]: geta would capture k8 
TeeSushi [3d\]: if its anything then its a squeeze
Novalys [2k\]: just a squeeze to get shape
tinca [-\]: getaish :-)
Novalys [2k\]: i'm connected to teesushi
AKeshi [5k\]: The squeeze is not good for white, as then black's center group gains enourmous power.
Novalys [2k\]: do you have any better idea ?
Novalys [2k\]: the fact is that if he doesn't get out, the whole center is b's influence
Novalys [2k\]: then it'd be very hard
Emperor40k [3d\]: well, k9?
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;B[jk]C[jumpdragon: o7
jumpdragon: or o8?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Well,  the word "geta" describes a shape, not necessaril a result, although thuis is the coomon usage nowadays. However as TeeSuchi is so punctilious I will take more care over my terms in future
Onmyoji [2d\]: loll
Emperor40k [3d\]: move, white.  i havent got all day
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;W[jj]C[badukwang [3k\]: its not their problem :)
Emperor40k [3d\]: thx
egc2009gro: oh chi min is returning to his board
Emperor40k [3d\]: if b just J8 now the result seems better for w?
Emperor40k [3d\]: but who has heard of l8..?
schwing [1k\]: why isn't tha game of Hwang In-seong being broadcast?
]
;B[ik]
;W[kl]
;B[ln]C[Novalys [2k\]: k3 first ?
]
;W[kn]
;B[dn]C[wolokom [5k\]: nice
wolokom [5k\]: f 9?
wolokom [5k\]: or protect the corner
legendia [3k\]: lol
Emperor40k [3d\]: a lamp spirit is watching the game
]
;W[ol]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: who are those 2 players we're seeing in the video now?
]
;B[mk]
;W[nn]
;B[np]C[schwing [1k\]: board 1
Emperor40k [3d\]: nice b
Emperor40k [3d\]: in the video we see a korean and a non-korean atm ^^
]
;W[mn]
;B[nj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Catalin Taranu and Kim Joon
wolokom [5k\]: o 8?
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;W[op]
;B[oq]
;W[iq]
;B[hq]
;W[bp]
;B[jq]
;W[mp]
;B[bl]C[wittel [3k?\]: looks like b is in the driving seat
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;W[bk]
;B[nq]
;W[ld]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: e18 ?
Uberdude [5d?\]: or L10?
]
;B[je]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: B decides not to invade the top but attack the centre about  invading the top eg at 
tsuchigumo [-\]: k17 seemed possible
]
;W[id]
;B[me]
;W[md]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: m7 then k12 as attack idea
tsuchigumo [-\]: perhaps
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;B[nm]
;W[om]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: taking out all the eyes
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go rusty!
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;B[lm]
;W[lo]C[R6 [1k\]: rustysword?
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;B[oo]
;W[on]
;B[ql]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: n7 was a rather creative move
GoKirby [-\]: yea black is rusrysowrd
Uberdude [5d?\]: how long did he take on it?
R6 [1k\]: thx
egc2009gro: time please
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B 1:53          W 1:16
egc2009gro: thanks
Uberdude [5d?\]: how much they start with?
egc2009gro: 2:30
tsuchigumo [-\]: Eyeless in Gaza, onus on w to live
tsuchigumo [-\]: B does not seem particularly behind on territory
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;W[jg]
;B[no]
;W[mo]C[wittel [3k?\]: l10?
Emperor40k [3d\]: would be awesome but cant yet
Emperor40k [3d\]: if b had m15 he could :/
Emperor40k [3d\]: i have no idea what i should play as b now
wittel [3k?\]: i see
tsuchigumo [-\]: l10 looks bad as after w m10 and m9 b is in damezumari
egc2009gro: why the exchange by black?
egc2009gro: o5\]
egc2009gro: o5.
Emperor40k [3d\]: well maybe M15 ^^'?
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;B[le]C[wittel [3k?\]: ;)
Emperor40k [3d\]: =D
tsuchigumo [-\]: I feel b is ahead
]
;W[ij]
;B[hl]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: g10 too for w?
muliny [1k\]: so why does B need M15 to cut Emperor?
muliny [1k\]: or how does M15 makes the difference?
ViperDee [4k\]: i feel b hair is on my head
Emperor40k [3d\]: because w can otherwise just go along with b starting with w m10
Emperor40k [3d\]: and thanks to j10 w can prevent b from getting a good result then
muliny [1k\]: can't W just net?
CardiffGo [3k?\]: Is W O9 a bad move?
botho [2d\]: l10 m10 l11 o9 ?
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;W[nk]C[kuvvetmira [3k\]: o8 
ColdFront [4k\]: looks fine to me
CardiffGo [3k?\]: Cheers
ColdFront [4k\]: Cardiff, you are awesome
CardiffGo [3k?\]: Hardly
menikmati [4k\]: Cardiff for 2k 
CardiffGo [3k?\]: ONe move maketh not a Go player
]
;B[nl]
;W[ok]
;B[mj]
;W[hj]
;B[ek]
;W[hf]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: e18 soon for b? a good time
tsuchigumo [-\]: to count
TeeSushi [3d\]: if SE is right then this wil be one one of the most interesting egcs in the past years i think
Emperor40k [3d\]: F2?
DoubleLion [2k\]: if kim lose this game he will stilll win the tourny right?
egc2009gro: no
TeeSushi [3d\]: yes i think so double
egc2009gro: joon sang will win the tourney if he wins against catalin
TeeSushi [3d\]: he should have highest sos
Ryoji [1k\]: goooo chi-min
egc2009gro: everyone else hoping for chimin to lose
egc2009gro: especially joon sang
egc2009gro: chimin to win i mean
tsuchigumo [-\]: Would b gain much by f2 even if he lived in the cormer?, w would get g2 and swallowb8 probably
]
;B[bn]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Söools like sente against the w group I
tsuchigumo [-\]: Looks*
egc2009gro: almost sente
Emperor40k [3d\]: w couldnt g2 against f2
tsuchigumo [-\]: as in almost prgenant :)
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;W[fo]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Why not emperor?
tsuchigumo [-\]: (before b6 of course)
Emperor40k [3d\]: because w had a cut at f4 previously
Emperor40k [3d\]: together with c3 aji that shouldve been enough for b
tsuchigumo [-\]: Yes but I read w will get stones at c5 and d5 in sente, so then c7 woiuld connect and cut b8
tsuchigumo [-\]: But looks like w must defend the corner after b6
Emperor40k [3d\]: not sure how you see w to play
Emperor40k [3d\]: but b could even cut immediately if w blocks at g2
Emperor40k [3d\]: so who's leading now?
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;B[cp]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: super close game?
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;W[cq]
;B[co]
;W[do]
;B[dq]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: if b gets sente here he can win?
]
;W[cr]C[egc2009gro: e2.
egc2009gro: e3, my bad
Emperor40k [3d\]: e18 and s16 becoming big
tsuchigumo [-\]: this seems all about b making connection from d6 tog6 then killing with b11
tsuchigumo [-\]: but I don't see a senteconnection
]
;B[bo]
;W[bq]
;B[gr]C[Greyish [1d\]: r9 big sente for w
Emperor40k [3d\]: funny how g2 is sente :)
Greyish [1d\]: how is g2 really sente ?
Greyish [1d\]: w can sacrifice a bit
]
;W[en]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: ew i hope b gets out well here
Emperor40k [3d\]: e7 counter hane?
TeeSushi [3d\]: d8 
]
;B[dm]
;W[em]
;B[dl]C[Ryoji [1k\]: oh chi-min, chi-min be goode
avsdvsdv: status of c10?
schwing [1k\]: depends on who plays there first
Greyish [1d\]: c10 may need a move to live now that w has reinforced b's d6 group...
]
;W[el]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: b could go for ko now if he wanted to?
rapit [2k\]: can't black e4 and cut?
negimagi: no
egc2009gro: also here, times please :)
Emperor40k [3d\]: can the camera show the board 1 again please?^^
tsuchigumo [-\]: Maybe w eyeing later cuts at e14 and d14 ? So b reluctant to play  c8
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B 1:07     W 0:44
egc2009gro: thank you
Emperor40k [3d\]: we're watching board 2 all the time, can we have a look at the faces of the board 1 players pls? :-p
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ask EuroGoTV1
Ryoji [1k\]: i also don't unterstand why they are showing board 2
avsdvsdv: because this is where european champion will be decided?
avsdvsdv: board 1 just two koreans
macgill [2k\]: e3?
Ryoji [1k\]: ah great
negimagi: Kim Eunkuk leading the tournament?
Ryoji [1k\]: they are showing it
egc2009gro: yes
egc2009gro: with 8-1
negimagi: What's rustys w/l situation?
egc2009gro: this game will decide if he wins the tournament or kin joon sang wins the tournament (IF joon sang wins his game against catalin)
egc2009gro: rusty = chiin?
negimagi: Yeah
egc2009gro: chimin*
egc2009gro: 7-2 then
rapit [2k\]: chi-min will be behind kim eunkuk even if he wins, no?
egc2009gro: just like joon sang and catalin
rapit [2k\]: by sos
egc2009gro: chimin cannot win the tournament if joon sang wins his game
egc2009gro: and in seong cannot win at all, because of less sos
]
;B[dk]C[negimagi: Looking good for Joon atm
]
;W[bi]
;B[fr]
;W[er]
;B[rd]C[egc2009gro: i hate sos deciding the first place so i hope for eunkuk for this game
]
;W[gm]
;B[lr]C[negimagi: I was rooting for Chi-Min but i guess i'm glad for Eunkuk to take it if not Chi-Min
Ryoji [1k\]: It is Chi-Min's last tournament during his stay in Europe, so I root for him
Bembelbote [-\]: this game is so sick =)
Emperor40k [3d\]: chimin's shirt is psychological weapon
Emperor40k [3d\]: causes brain moiree
]
;W[dc]
;B[be]
;W[bg]
;B[ak]
;W[aj]
;B[al]
;W[ci]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: b's groups still not 100 % alive if cut at eg d14
avsdvsdv: w more points and thicker?
avsdvsdv: game over
Altair [8k\]: will he now save J7 group or not
tsuchigumo [-\]: Looks close to me
avsdvsdv: certainly not, terrible gote
]
;B[gl]
;W[fm]
;B[fk]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: many big points c18, s18, r9 for w, q10 for b, g8, etc 
tsuchigumo [-\]: r9 now?
]
;W[oj]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: if s10 then s9 looks good
Emperor40k [3d\]: r10?
Emperor40k [3d\]: after all there is some aji in w's center
negimagi: q11?
Emperor40k [3d\]: q11 squeezes w between the b stones like tooth paste without harming him. that's usually bad
Emperor40k [3d\]: ie b is the one getting disadvantage by doing so
]
;B[mh]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: if b can mount an attack, will it be enough?
Altair [8k\]: now he treats cut at L5 I think
Altair [8k\]: L10
]
;W[qj]C[jkarta [5k\]: deep / overplay?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Clearly better than r9 emperor :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: aims at s7
Emperor40k [3d\]: r9?
Emperor40k [3d\]: ah
Emperor40k [3d\]: n12 yeah
Emperor40k [3d\]: hm dunno exactly
tsuchigumo [-\]: s18 first i guess
Emperor40k [3d\]: oh yes n12 only move +_+
jkarta [5k\]: L10 
jkarta [5k\]: atleast sente
tsuchigumo [-\]: l12
Emperor40k [3d\]: all other options were unusable
Emperor40k [3d\]: w can squeeze badly with o11
Emperor40k [3d\]: *could have
tsuchigumo [-\]: l12 threatens cut and strengthens b
tsuchigumo [-\]: But I have lost the plot, time for coffee and a cigarette
martin3141 [3k\]: but since w would get to defense the cut, it also strenghens white
monk316 [1k\]: wow, w just refuses to be forced to connect l10
jkarta [5k\]: what is KiM Eunkuk nick at kgs
Emperor40k [3d\]: hmm cant b cut L10 now actually?
Emperor40k [3d\]: oÔ
Godaisuki [1k\]: i dont think so because of N8?
Emperor40k [3d\]: any high dan pls?^^
Emperor40k [3d\]: hm
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: First push than O12?
Godaisuki [1k\]: ya
Godaisuki [1k\]: then die =/
]
;B[cb]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Surely not, w throiws in, ataris and drives up and clamps at o12
Emperor40k [3d\]: but only b m6 stones would die
Emperor40k [3d\]: he'd get advantage in the center
tsuchigumo [-\]: Big
Uberdude [5d?\]: that's what she said
]
;W[rc]
;B[fa]
;W[eb]
;B[ea]
;W[da]C[kuvvetmira [3k\]: big
]
;B[db]
;W[ga]C[kuvvetmira [3k\]: big
]
;B[ca]
;W[fb]
;B[gh]
;W[hk]
;B[il]C[Emperor40k [3d\]: catalin taranu just lost on time..
Warfreak2 [5d\]: poor catalin
IGoofy [1d\]: sum has eaten a walkman ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
tsuchigumo [-\]: Looks very lose
XY0908 [-\]: Hello EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi VIP-member XY0908
globax [4d\]: f14 big, s7also
XY0908 [-\]: How come the quality of the EGC video is 135.78% better than USGC's?
globax [4d\]: p11 prepares s7
tsuchigumo [-\]: w working on the cut aji at j13?
globax [4d\]: q11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have much better cameras since november last year
XY0908 [-\]: But not in the US?
globax [4d\]: or just l12
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet
globax [4d\]: m11 more dynamic
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: need more VIP-members for that
volcano [3k?\]: username and password?
zyklop [1d\]: game over ?
Lychee [4k\]: oh chi-min's shirt looks kind of... gay
XY0908 [-\]: ...
Emperor40k [3d\]: i suspect it's a psycho weapon
Emperor40k [3d\]: opponent is like "zomg what was i just reading?.."
Lychee [4k\]: it might be
Lychee [4k\]: i mean i cant take my eyes off the shirt right now
Lychee [4k\]: its just like wtf
LionelLee [7k\]: lol
LionelLee [7k\]: maybe the problem is not with him =)
Lychee [4k\]: all i'm saying is that he got some bad taste in clothing
tsuchigumo [-\]: w would love top eliminate cut in sente, or failing that make a couple of points/reduce b first in sente
Lychee [4k\]: white seems so bummed right now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: anyyway i am not gonne send a 2000 dollar camera to the US as long as there is no weekly broadcast
XY0908 [-\]: It's difficult to find W's next move...
XY0908 [-\]: That makes sense, EuroGoTV.
Emperor40k [3d\]: maybe M13
XY0908 [-\]: On this live feed, I can almost read the board.
avsdvsdv: L16, make life center, win
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can as i am gonne zoom now^^
Ryoji [1k\]: you can feel the pressure in the air, wachting this stream
Emperor40k [3d\]: :-o we can read the board
LionelLee [7k\]: nice
Godaisuki [1k\]: what is on the shirt?
cbus [15k\]: nice camera angle
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B 0:41     W 0:20
tsuchigumo [-\]: if l16 then l12 looks good for b
Lychee [4k\]: thats minutes right?
Emperor40k [3d\]: 0:41 - 0:20
Emperor40k [3d\]: oop
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;W[hh]C[Lychee [4k\]: what if i wanna see seconds.. that clock isnt very good
LionelLee [7k\]: the long awaited move
Uberdude [5d?\]: this move seems obvious to me
svrcd [?\]: 0:41 = 0 hours 41 min
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: second come when less then 15 minutes
]
;B[gg]C[Lychee [4k\]: ahhh camera lag
Emperor40k [3d\]: *eats lychee*
LionelLee [7k\]: woooo getting hot in here
Denniskutl [3d\]: vip member?
XY0908 [-\]: Nice camera zoom. Thanks, EGTV1.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just click and pay^^
]
;W[gf]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: have u guys checked out the fullscreen mode?
XY0908 [-\]: I am sorry to ask this, but who is the player on the right?
Ryoji [1k\]: haha yeah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Kim
Ryoji [1k\]: kim eunkuk
LionelLee [7k\]: player on right is kim(white)
Emperor40k [3d\]: P11?
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks.
LionelLee [7k\]: what are the prospects of l10
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;B[hg]C[ZeroPoint [?\]: wow W is in big trouble
volcano [3k?\]: how can I log in?
Kirigo: l10 isn't dangerous?
Ryoji [1k\]: so you click the move, before we see it in the vid. is this some method of you to increase the video quality?
LionelLee [7k\]: u need to sign up to become a member at eurogotv volcano
volcano [3k?\]: k, thanks
XY0908 [-\]: L10 is not so much dangerous because of N8.
tsuchigumo [-\]: L10 does not work at the moment, but b has moves around L12 that  make it work
tsuchigumo [-\]: Delicate situation
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;W[ig]C[LionelLee [7k\]: ahhh played it out... icic l10 doesnt work
martin3141 [3k\]: bl16 hurts!
tsuchigumo [-\]: w has an eye on the right side, so independent life is alsoa way if the whole thing gets cut from top
tsuchigumo [-\]: Question is which way brings the most points
martin3141 [3k\]: black should play l16 and cut either in whits territory or whits group off
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;B[ke]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: G16 was big  but gives b eg L12 in sente
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;W[kc]C[volcano [3k?\]: you are right, baad shirt for a go player
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;B[jc]C[XY0908 [-\]: My impression on these two tournaments, both in the US and Europe is that Go has been growing quite a lot during last 5 years in the West.
tsuchigumo [-\]: b wants p16 and o 15 in sente
Tulkas [12k\]: well yes but the top ama are all koreans in europe
Ryoji [1k\]: bit i assume the peak was reached already...
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;W[ne]C[Ryoji [1k\]: number of new players are decreasing
wolokom [5k\]: nice
Emperor40k [3d\]: b could protect in sente at M12, no?
XY0908 [-\]: And thanks to EuroGoTV, I also think Go players need serious attire updates.
Emperor40k [3d\]: hm actually..
fcarbon [2k\]: seems not to connect?
Ryoji [1k\]: lol, XY
Ryoji [1k\]: go players are not known to be fashion-people, that's true
Emperor40k [3d\]: difficult..
wolokom [5k\]: is it nessercery?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Dunna abou that, think of Matthew Macfadyen, a trendsetter 30 years ago :)
Emperor40k [3d\]: m13 also an idea
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: no more pros playing ?
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: or did they all get beat by andy. 
tsuchigumo [-\]: very hard to answer o15
tsuchigumo [-\]: vereything semms to have one drawback or another
apoplexy [3k\]: n14 seems enough
Denniskutl [3d\]: n14?
Argentum [5k?\]: who wins? whi te?
qman: OH CHI-MIN is South Korean and HOH CHI-MIN is former Vietnam presinent....^^
mope: eurogotv, as played Shikshin, please
tsuchigumo [-\]: l12 maybe
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: ugh..no ho chi min..
Argentum [5k?\]: and Sue Chi Min is a cute girl
tsuchigumo [-\]: Ho Chi Minh once worked as a dishwasher in a London hamarket hotel, not many people know that :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: Haymarket*
LionelLee [7k\]: he won a war against the americans
tsuchigumo [-\]: Still a plaque on the wall to this day - very odd I find
LionelLee [7k\]: not easy
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: time?
wolokom [5k\]: headache game
Argentum [5k?\]: W is the best on this tournament
Argentum [5k?\]: Eunkuk
qman: OH is very youngman....
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B 00:26    W 00:13
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: ty
Argentum [5k?\]: I teach people how to play and few months later they give me 6 stones
qman: Can 5K level teach anyone...????
Argentum [5k?\]: the younger are the stronger
qman: D level only can 'teach' i think....^^
marwan [-\]: ehe
thekar [8k\]: wake up
Argentum [5k?\]: gman I can teach you many things
qman: really??? welcome...I am 5D level....^^
thekar [8k\]: 5d and not less arogan
Argentum [5k?\]: i can teach you how to register, for example
thekar [8k\]: t
Koreangrl8 [3k\]:  manfaces is looking for a game..
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: many
qman: I do not register KGS...because there are so many players who's rank was high inflationed....^^
Emperor40k [3d\]: (>' ')> what a pity
Argentum [5k?\]: I can teach you English
qman: thanks...I want 'learn English...that is good idea...%^^
marwan [-\]: argentum is weak but he can teach go to beginner, gman, u're strong but useless
Warfreak2 [5d\]: who said he was strong
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;B[nf]C[Argentum [5k?\]: he said
Argentum [5k?\]: talk is one thing Do is another
Emperor40k [3d\]: b chose the mundane move :)
Argentum [5k?\]: B had no choice
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;W[lc]C[qman: OH was failed pro test some years before....^^
Argentum [5k?\]: i guess W is going to win here
Reym: is it possible to cut at L10 now?
Emperor40k [3d\]: no but b can L12 now
Argentum [5k?\]: no because has not enough liberties at M7
Emperor40k [3d\]: um wait
tsuchigumo [-\]: Careful qman, arrogance lulls you into a false sense of competence
Emperor40k [3d\]: getting tired, kibitz quality goes down ++
wolokom [5k\]: count it  reym
wolokom [5k\]: 2 to 4
Argentum [5k?\]: the black center has not enough liberties to manoeuver
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Emperor40k [3d\]: still wondering what happened if b o14 at m13
Ryoji [1k\]: hey harry, how are you doing?
wolokom [5k\]: s 7 is still hot for black
wolokom [5k\]: or
Reym: mm, ok thanks
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;B[kj]C[Ryoji [1k\]: oh
Kirigo: boom!
wolokom [5k\]: ß
Nemerid [-\]: this is evil
thekar [8k\]: np
Gigot [5k\]: kill!!!
thekar [8k\]: m8
tsuchigumo [-\]: sacrifice stone
emre35 [4d\]: i think w lost
Argentum [5k?\]: some sacrifice 
thekar [8k\]: m9
thekar [8k\]: i mean
thekar [8k\]: then m10
thekar [8k\]: for w
martin3141 [3k\]: maybe black sacrifices o7 in order to kill j10? 
emre35 [4d\]: k13 group is  going to die
thekar [8k\]: it should not work?
gogonuts [5d\]: weird cut
Kirigo: he read somme gain somewhere
wolokom [5k\]: what time?
donzet [?\]: only one way for white
Denniskutl [3d\]: aim is to give 5 stones at n7 and get j10
MadKongo [2d\]: white lost
tsuchigumo [-\]: or maybe not
MadKongo [2d\]: :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B 12 minutes, W about 8
qgo [4k\]: EuroGo ? will the prizegiving be broadcasted ?
fryskenfry [6k?\]: w n13 peeps or squeezes the center. 
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;W[if]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I don't know
Ryoji [1k\]: wow, interesting stuff
egc2009gro: will the whole world watch me win the lotery!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go rusty!
tsuchigumo [-\]: if this works then hat off
gogonuts [5d\]: now w wants to kill everything!
seppy [?\]: uhm  no streaming?
qgo [4k\]: how come you don't know ?
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;B[he]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: tip of the hat, wag of the finger
Warfreak2 [5d\]: because eurogotv2 is just the lackey, he doesn't make the decisions
qgo [4k\]: I would like to see it
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yup :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: eurogotv1 is the big boss
egc2009gro: he's walking around with a big camera here so who knows
qgo [4k\]: can I make a special request ?
gogonuts [5d\]: i really dont get k14, why the trouble?
Argentum [5k?\]: e14?
wolokom [5k\]: furikawari
AURELIE46 [3d\]: f13?
Nemerid [-\]: this fight is really good for black ?
Emperor40k [3d\]: gogonuts, because otherwise b can n8?
tsuchigumo [-\]: otherwise n8 
martin3141 [3k\]: does it seem only to me that if black gets to play o12 w is to die?
Mukti [4d\]: w has n8, martin3141
Nemerid [-\]: white has N8
AURELIE46 [3d\]: n8 but o12?
Kirigo: n11 ?
Mukti [4d\]: if b plays n8 w looks like dying however, so w has two problems...
Cassis0 [5d\]: n8 n13
Cassis0 [5d\]: no problem for the moment
Cassis0 [5d\]: oh nvm
Mukti [4d\]: n13 just b o12 and dead
donzet [?\]: i like g11
Cassis0 [5d\]: l12 enough liberties
gogonuts [5d\]: i get it now, needed to put down some stones offline
gogonuts [5d\]: these guys are pretty good :-)
Nemerid [-\]: this fight is complicated 
Emperor40k [3d\]: :)
gogonuts [5d\]: an d ruthless
wolokom [5k\]: not yet bu w  has a lot of problemes
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;W[ff]C[Argentum [5k?\]: W was behind with Dinerchtein and won at the end
Aoiro [8k\]: what happen when you click on the bystanders in the video? will they feel it?
Argentum [5k?\]: hes quite creative
gogonuts [5d\]: even if it doesnt capture L10 was great
gogonuts [5d\]: it looked so obviously implausible, but he found it
Godaisuki [1k\]: N8 now?
Nemerid [-\]: no
Nemerid [-\]: n8 doesn't work
tsuchigumo [-\]: b still has his point to prove
gogonuts [5d\]: n8 doesnt work because of w k14
macgill [2k\]: h18
gogonuts [5d\]: ws defense was also very good
Nemerid [-\]: black has a cutting point at N14
Nemerid [-\]: i don't know if black win someting in this fight
Godaisuki [1k\]: if K14 then  N13 and kill the dragon?
Mukti [4d\]: I do not understand gogonuts, what does n14 have to do with b playing n8?
Godaisuki [1k\]: oh whatever
Godaisuki [1k\]: haha
Mukti [4d\]: I still do not see what w can do if b plays n8
Nemerid [-\]: because white will push
gogonuts [5d\]: k14 you mean?
chute [2k\]: n8 m11 o11 o12 atari ? - then p11 m13 cuts
Godaisuki [1k\]: nvm
fryskenfry [6k?\]: n8 will not save the stones
wolokom [5k\]: Furikawari  
Denniskutl [3d\]: n8 n11 o11 o12 p11 n13 and b is cut mukti
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;B[gd]C[Muscadet [?\]: j18 droht
macgill [2k\]: B niw is in danger for left group
gogonuts [5d\]: without k14 b could play n8 and w would only uselessly capture n12
Nemerid [-\]: this one is not so difficult to read out
wolokom [5k\]: h 18
Mukti [4d\]: I see. I misread the center there. w does seem to have enough libs. Very hard though
Aoiro [8k\]: in history, did ever two opponents touch with their heads while leaning over the gobang?
fcarbon [2k\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: b will have to give up O8, so he need to profit enough at the top
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;B[ei]C[Argentum [5k?\]: W is not giving up anything :-)
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;B[eh]C[seppy [?\]: time?
macgill [2k\]: funy shape
Nemerid [-\]: black is going to loose because of this fight
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;W[dj]C[Denniskutl [3d\]: aha
gogonuts [5d\]: the monkey jump at f19 turned out to be aji keshi
Mukti [4d\]: w will have to defend against b K18
Denniskutl [3d\]: d10 is good
tsuchigumo [-\]: b has destroyed a lot of points in sente
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;B[ej]C[Denniskutl [3d\]: now d14 cut will hurt
Gigot [5k\]: time move?
tsuchigumo [-\]: w takes o 8 in gote
Nemerid [-\]: now white's turn to cut :)
Nemerid [-\]: or he can defend in sente
Godaisuki [1k\]: imho white cant cut
Argentum [5k?\]: g17?
Denniskutl [3d\]: d14 is sente for both corner and e10 groups
Nemerid [-\]: and then take N8
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: W playing time is over, 1 minute a move now
gogonuts [5d\]: e15, nice and stupid?
Gigot [5k\]: g9?
Mukti [4d\]: I still think w needs to defend against K18 that is just huge
Nemerid [-\]: ohhh, thank you eurogotv
Denniskutl [3d\]: now w should g9 f8 d14 
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;W[ii]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: J11???
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: B about 6 minutes
Mukti [4d\]: K18 now........
chute [2k\]: j12 was a threat
Godaisuki [1k\]: cannot E15?
wolokom [5k\]: manny things have to struggel for live
tsuchigumo [-\]: if b gets 012 and has destroyed 6 points in sente he gains
gogonuts [5d\]: mainly w gave himself the option to live locally
Mukti [4d\]: But if b K18, surely he wins by resignation?
Nemerid [-\]: k18 is not woring
Nemerid [-\]: working
chute [2k\]: j13 k12 counter-atari h11 j11 h12 and white still would threaten k11 to cut
macgill [2k\]: h18 for b
Mukti [4d\]: K18 works
Nemerid [-\]: white simply cut
Mukti [4d\]: K18, cut, J18 and w dies
chute [2k\]: sry, first move j12 not, j13
Nemerid [-\]: Mukti... no
Mukti [4d\]: why not nemerid?
Nemerid [-\]: because H17
Kirigo: e15 ?
Mukti [4d\]: then G17 ad all die Nemerid
gogonuts [5d\]: k18, k16, h18 doesnt work
tsuchigumo [-\]: not so simple mukti
Mukti [4d\]: Why not?
fcarbon [2k\]: what about e15?
Mukti [4d\]: K18, cut, J18, H17, G17, H18, G18 the end...
Muscadet [?\]: k18 works  k18 k16, j18
tsuchigumo [-\]: w gets miai of connection or capturing k18
Mukti [4d\]: oh, no I am hallucinating maybe. sorry
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;B[fd]C[martin3141 [3k\]: k18 - k16 - h18?
Nemerid [-\]: mukti...E19 and F19 atari no ?
martin3141 [3k\]: no, sorry
gogonuts [5d\]: not g18, g17 instead
tsuchigumo [-\]: w seems to be in trouble
tsuchigumo [-\]: what a great find by b
gogonuts [5d\]: remember w still has the option of d19
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;W[gk]C[Aoiro [8k\]: living move
Mukti [4d\]: Oh, no I am not hallucinating - it does work
Aoiro [8k\]: g11 and h11 now eyes
Aoiro [8k\]: g10
Mukti [4d\]: K18, cut, J18, H17, G17, H18, atarrri, w takes , b throws in and dame zumari...
Gigot [5k\]: f8
wolokom [5k\]: one g is alive 
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;B[fl]C[fryskenfry [6k?\]: f16 is not on the board
B2la [18k\]: F10 ?
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;W[fj]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Mukti read on
martin3141 [3k\]: k18 now
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;B[jb]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: now
Mukti [4d\]: I did - it works fine
tsuchigumo [-\]: not without f16
gogonuts [5d\]: it works now because of f16 - well read by b
wolokom [5k\]: d 14
Mukti [4d\]: w destroyed
Gigot [5k\]: painful for white.
Mukti [4d\]: I agreem b needed f16 first
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;W[ee]C[Aoiro [8k\]: what can white do now? I see nothing left
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;B[ed]C[gogonuts [5d\]: this is all due to the incredible L10
macgill [2k\]: w reaign
Gigot [5k\]: has still white a chance to win?
martin3141 [3k\]: cut
seppy [?\]: can cut o 11?
Nemerid [-\]: mukti i don't see you K18 before F16 working :)
Mukti [4d\]: No, I already said that
Mukti [4d\]: It needed F16
Mukti [4d\]: I misread earlier
A1R [8k\]: b+r
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go rusty
Emperor40k [3d\]: yay
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
tsuchigumo [-\]: professional class reading by black from a long way back
Nemerid [-\]: you make me crazy, you said you didn't hallucinate and I had to check 100 times !
Ryoji [1k\]: where are all going?
Mukti [4d\]: Before thatm, w would win the semeai but b could cut in sente
fryskenfry [6k?\]: is the stream so far behind from this board? 
Gigot [5k\]: Congrats Oh Chi Min!
Mukti [4d\]: sorry, Nemerid :-)
wolokom [5k\]:  the two b g are still not alive
A1R [8k\]: but i think he still won the tournament
thekar [8k\]: did w resign?
A1R [8k\]: yeas
jleone [5k\]: who won ?
wolokom [5k\]: or?
A1R [8k\]: b
Mukti [4d\]: I thought the center would die if b cut in snete but then w did something very clever
thekar [8k\]: nice
Ryoji [1k\]: great, rusty!
gogonuts [5d\]: L10 can only be played by fools and wise men
gogonuts [5d\]: or women
globax [4d\]: ^^
svrcd [?\]: euro, b+r?
Nemerid [-\]: l10 was very risky but successfull :)
Spiele1000 [3k\]: did w resign?
Larrave [3k\]: yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Yes
globax [4d\]: thx eurogotv2
seppy [?\]: so oh chi min won the tournament?
Spiele1000 [3k\]: wow, great game
tsuchigumo [-\]: Some poetic justice in the game, in the end w's bad aji with the centre group undid him.
gogonuts [5d\]: depends on the definition of risky
Uberdude [5d?\]: euro, i suggeest you say B+resign
Spiele1000 [3k\]: thank you eurogotv
Uberdude [5d?\]: saying yes is not as hrlpful
donzet [?\]: I, Chi Min Oh, declare. I will be the winner of the EGC 2009!
chute [2k\]: thanks, EuroGoTV
Larrave [3k\]: who wins now
aitkensam [-\]: surely chi min will lose on SOS?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: rusty rusty
Gigot [5k\]: So, who is the winner of the tournament ?
LevelNull [3d\]: what is the prize money? i can't find them on http://egc2009.nl
Reym: my guess would be it's Kim Joon Sang
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: The tournement results will be published online, after the prize ceremony. 
rapit [2k\]: @donzet did he say that?
jleone [5k\]: are u broadcasting the prize ceremoy ?
LevelNull [3d\]: 4 players with 42 MMS, and very close with SOS
jleone [5k\]: how much gain the winner ?
Gigot [5k\]: And four Korean players...
tsuchigumo [-\]: Big thank you to Harry et al for their selfless efforts. What a bonus for the Go community.
Larrave [3k\]: *clap*
Ryoji [1k\]: someone took the cloxk
Gigot [5k\]: But Kim and Kim have a better SOS
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