(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 2 FINAL round 10]PW[Catalin Taranu]PB[Joon Sang Kim]WR[5p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-08]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board 2 FINAL round 10]RO[10]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[HW9x9]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Up so early?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
chrpa [1d\]: hello, is there a pairing web page?
mcw85 [7k\]: Who does Dinerstein play?
mcw85 [7k\]: Not yet.
mcw85 [7k\]: Nevermind.
mcw85 [7k\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1500
mcw85 [7k\]: There is. It was hiding.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: game will start in 22 minutes
lazzy000 [14k?\]: guess we will have quite a bit to wait
sefil3k [2k\]: nice fuseki so far ^^ looks even
lazzy000 [14k?\]: no it is not, white has komi
lazzy000 [14k?\]: so, now, white wins
sefil3k [2k\]: yes i agree , my bad
porcinet [1d\]: 8 komi
mcw85 [7k\]: 7.5
porcinet [1d\]: no no 8
xDragon [15k\]: technically its 8
xDragon [15k\]: but black wins ties so its really 7.5
Chilltime [2k\]: hm but black has sente
Chilltime [2k\]: so black should be leading
Onmyoji [2d\]: q16
xDragon [15k\]: r15
xDragon [15k\]: r16*
MoonCrash [5k\]: who won on board one yesterday?
MoonCrash [5k\]: eunkuk?
einalem [4k\]: yes
MoonCrash [5k\]: hes playing pretty well this tournament
xDragon [15k\]: so basically these are the only two that can win it all now?
oddalot [7k\]: i don't know, there are two guys ranked above them
oddalot [7k\]: maybe this game is for second place
Onmyoji [2d\]: q16 d4 r4 d16 p3 
oddalot [7k\]: but, i guess catalin won the european title
Onmyoji [2d\]: w lead
xDragon [15k\]: in another game they said that oh chi-min could win it all but its out of his hands
oddalot [7k\]: so maybe that means if catalin loses, and he wins
oddalot [7k\]: so therefore if oh chi min wins, and catalin wins, catalin will be #1?
sefil3k [2k\]: nice game so far
svrcd [?\]: only 1 player have 9 wins )
R [1k\]: stones on board are not trim enough. it need to place stone with more precision
R [1k\]: white stones are more accurate than black stones :)
xDragon [15k\]: i like white stones better. black ones always feel bad
xDragon [15k\]: tho im so weak i always play b at my go club
MoonCrash [5k\]: on my board, white stones made out of diamonds
MoonCrash [5k\]: they feel pretty good
MoonCrash [5k\]: black are diamonds too, only uncut
MoonCrash [5k\]: only cost me a tril
softwind [3k?\]: lead stones are the best
MoonCrash [5k\]: video link?
R [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
MoonCrash [5k\]: thx
Nande [2d?\]: how many wins do catalin and dinerstein haveß
noned [2d\]: www.egc2009.nl
Nande [2d?\]: thx
sefil3k [2k\]: and the links to see results is?
WorkerBee [10k\]: Who is leading in the league?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info
svrcd [?\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
WorkerBee [10k\]: thank you
sefil3k [2k\]: arigatou
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: game will start any second now
xDragon [15k\]: im too lazy to click, cliffnotes?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
WorkerBee [10k\]: That's amazing . . . the top 30 places are almost in perfect rank order
pafy [3k\]: hai catalin
svrcd [?\]: go, Kim! )
xDragon [15k\]: yall should have broadcasted some of the 30k games just for fun
Suicide [-\]: Is it illegal to have a computer while playing?
xDragon [15k\]: well, woulda been fun for me
WorkerBee [10k\]: There are 30k games at the Euro Go Congress?
xDragon [15k\]: yea there were 30k players in this tourney
Onmyoji [2d\]: w thinking so long
WorkerBee [10k\]: ......
Onmyoji [2d\]: reading deep
Onmyoji [2d\]: b
xDragon [15k\]: check the link posted and scroll down
mcw85 [7k\]: Who's winnin?
xDragon [15k\]: w
xDragon [15k\]: komi
pafy [3k\]: w
pafy [3k\]: pls
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV, there is a stone on a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 , etc.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
WorkerBee [10k\]: Oh, Kim has arrived
xDragon [15k\]: too lazy to find it, stream link?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Suicide [-\]: Finally! Imagine his disappointment when he sees the board is already full...
silveret [?\]: Is there a reason why the stones have to be lined up like that to start?
noned [2d\]: eurogotv, is 2nd board on that same room?
xDragon [15k\]: to show that there are 181 black and 180 white pieces
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;B[pd]C[noned [2d\]: or the board with alex
xDragon [15k\]: should be
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;W[dc]C[wotan123 [2d\]: start with hoshi
kumbhaka [3d\]: W+R
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;B[dq]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: b win
kumbhaka [3d\]: w
whatisgo [1d\]: B+R
Onmyoji [2d\]: b
wotan123 [2d\]: nice opening
Suicide [-\]: EGTV, where are you? Behind the camera?
MoonCrash [5k\]: d3 running for its life
WorkerBee [10k\]: Onmyoji, you forgot to count the komi
mcw85 [7k\]: Little early to call for resignation.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
WorkerBee [10k\]: -white- wins :P
sefil3k [2k\]: joon is solving tsumego problems in the magazine :P
mcw85 [7k\]: Tengen!
WorkerBee [10k\]: omg 2:30 hours?
softwind [3k?\]: my inner child always smiles when i see christian pop...
wotan123 [2d\]: tengen will loose the game
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, who wants a tight game?
Suicide [-\]: Tengen is certainly getting big, mcw...but not yet, methinks
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;W[co]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: Mult succes Catalin! Iti tinem pumnii
mcw85 [7k\]: If white doesn't take, black will get. Tengen is double sente.
StefanRadu [2d?\]: o sa fie o dimineata tare lunga
pafy [3k\]: da
xDragon [15k\]: ita austin powers!
pafy [3k\]: asai
pafy [3k\]: dupa ce la batut pe alex ar fi drept sa castige
WorkerBee [10k\]: What do MMS, SOS and SOSOS mean?
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;B[dk]C[mcw85 [7k\]: MMS MacMahon Score.
mcw85 [7k\]: SOS Sum of Opponent's Score/
mcw85 [7k\]: SOSOS Sum of SOS.
kane955 [4k\]: so whos in first place to win tourny?
Onmyoji [2d\]: go catalin gooo
mcw85 [7k\]: Kim Enkuk.
Suicide [-\]: *SOSOS - sum of opponents' SOS's
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, thanks for the correction.
wotan123 [2d\]: this opening will not be lead to a boring moyogame
Suicide [-\]: Np, just wanted to be clear
Hokusai [3k\]: ce korean obraznic...
oddalot [7k\]: c8 b3 of e5?
oddalot [7k\]: or*
oddalot [7k\]: or d6 of e6 maybe?
Hokusai [3k\]: adica sfidator...
MoonCrash [5k\]: w just jump e5?
Suicide [-\]: I say f5
mcw85 [7k\]: E5 might be bad.
mcw85 [7k\]: Double kakari looks good.
wotan123 [2d\]: f4 or f5
softwind [3k?\]: e5 slow and double kakari inefficient, w has no stone at q4 area
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: can you read the clock (in fullscreen)?
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes.
oddalot [7k\]: yeah, just barely though
Baccano [2d\]: indeed can
jumpdragon: 2:27 - 2:21?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 227 224
oddalot [7k\]: yeah, i see 224
oddalot [7k\]: or saw at least
jumpdragon: guess i have bad eyes :)
oddalot [7k\]: now it says 223
Suicide [-\]: f4 seems like a bad idea to me, too easily cut. On the other hand, it makes a nice fight for b to get solid on both sides
Baccano [2d\]: seijo =)
Dogen [5k\]: are these the last games, or do they play again tomorrow?
macgill [2k\]: why are so many people wandering aroud?
xDragon [15k\]: why not?
Baccano [2d\]: how is seijo doing those days?
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't think we need time updates right now.
Athanor [-\]: because it's the finals
oddalot [7k\]: so i catalin already the european champion?
Suicide [-\]: mac, because it's still early in the game
Athanor [-\]: everybody is nervous round here
xDragon [15k\]: no catalin has to win to have a shot
svrcd [?\]: this is last round
Dogen [5k\]: is this the champianoship game?
Athanor [-\]: yup
oddalot [7k\]: but he beat alexandre
jumpdragon: final roudn of euro go congress
softwind [3k?\]: f4 is a normal move suicide, but after g3 , since d9 is far away hard to apply pressure
xDragon [15k\]: kim eunhuk has 1 more win at 7d than everyone else
oddalot [7k\]: yah, but the koreans aren't european
Suicide [-\]: Yes softwind, I just mean for this move
oddalot [7k\]: they can't win european championship right?
wotan123 [2d\]: right
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;W[fo]C[Suicide [-\]: And when I said 'b on both sides', I meant w. >_>
wotan123 [2d\]: korea does not belong to europe
xDragon [15k\]: why are they letting them in if they cant win then?
oddalot [7k\]: so that must mean catalin is already champion?
jumpdragon: european champion is something else
oddalot [7k\]: or maybe if catalin loses, and alexandre wins, alexandre will be euro champ?
jumpdragon: like a side quest
softwind [3k?\]: side quest...this is not a rpg :)
wotan123 [2d\]: g3
jumpdragon: sadly, those are the only words that c ame to my mind to explain it
xDragon [15k\]: so its pointless
jumpdragon: no
jumpdragon: you get money probably
jumpdragon: and prestige
jumpdragon: which brings in more students
Suicide [-\]: xDragon, if you only focus on winning, you will never be strong enough.
jumpdragon: and money
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, if catalin loses and dinerchtein wins dinerchtein will proberbly be the champ
WorkerBee [10k\]: Is Kim an amateur?
Baccano [2d\]: e5! heh
jumpdragon: yes
lepeksiy [-\]: yes. if catalin loses and alexandre wins alexandre will be the champ 
WorkerBee [10k\]: Insei or amateur?
kane955 [4k\]: what are the prizes?
wotan123 [2d\]: e5 also possible
jumpdragon: if these people dont have P next to their names, its 100% likely they are amateurs
mcw85 [7k\]: Dinerstein has an easy game against a 4d.
xDragon [15k\]: theyre concentrating on winning something else however
Baccano [2d\]: probably bad wotan tho ;-) need something around q4 or closer probably
MoonCrash [5k\]: f3? slow, but g3 is bad
MoonCrash [5k\]: looks bad anyway*
Suicide [-\]: I think I like d5 here, or g4
wotan123 [2d\]: yes baccano
MoonCrash [5k\]: g4?
Suicide [-\]: yesh
sefil3k [2k\]: d5 is joseki right?
leger [1d\]: g4 is begging for cut
Baccano [2d\]: I think g3 is the move now, as you suggested
wotan123 [2d\]: i would play g3
Suicide [-\]: I think so, sef. I'm not big on joseki
Baccano [2d\]: *nods* *nods*
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;B[gq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
sefil3k [2k\]: i dont know joseki
MoonCrash [5k\]: me neither..
sefil3k [2k\]: i should learn some tho
WorkerBee [10k\]: Baccano, will you just play the game out for us? I don't have 5 hours :P
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;W[di]C[Suicide [-\]: we all should ;-p
wotan123 [2d\]: dont learn joseki!!!
Baccano [2d\]: heh
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;B[fk]C[RedMahura [5d\]: mooncrash/ f3 is not slow. g3 is not bad either.
MoonCrash [5k\]: ah, thx :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: picture and sound ok?
Suicide [-\]: O_o where is kim going?
wotan123 [2d\]: but this is all joseki now
WorkerBee [10k\]: yes, EuroGo
Suicide [-\]: picture's great
softwind [3k?\]: pic+sund is great
xDragon [15k\]: tho it is nice to see someone not named dinerchtein on stream this time
WorkerBee [10k\]: Hmm, maybe in Korea they have the concept of "Chuen" like in Hong Kong?
Tiny81 [5k\]: hmm I though this kind of playing F5 and D11 ends up with b playing around D14 and w having 2 week groups
wotan123 [2d\]: "chuen"?
MoonCrash [5k\]: c14?
WorkerBee [10k\]: Hard to translate
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
lepeksiy [-\]: catalin is fighting for european champion. joon sang kim is fighting for the tournament champion. so this is double champion game  :)
PAUCHOK [?\]: euro, a link please
Baccano [2d\]: h5? I'd like to h4 but doesn't look possible here
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
MoonCrash [5k\]: h3?
PAUCHOK [?\]: tx
MoonCrash [5k\]: h5*
wotan123 [2d\]: h4
MoonCrash [5k\]: c9?
Suicide [-\]: r4
wotan123 [2d\]: and the rumble in the jungle begins
R [1k\]: c3 
WorkerBee [10k\]: "chuen" translates to arrogance, I guess. But it's not quite the same, a bit of deliberate provocation, a bit of acting cool
wotan123 [2d\]: thx
wotan123 [2d\]: seems dinerstein is a friend of "chuen"
Suicide [-\]: Kim looks at the observers and thinks 'Are the pictures coming out ok, or should I lean on my other hand?'
Tiny81 [5k\]: Kim Eunkuk has to loos his game so that Kim Joon Sang can win the tournament... or?
JEGO [10k\]: it depends of sos
sefil3k [2k\]: which one is kim's table?
WorkerBee [10k\]: How many points is a win worth? I can't work it out
mcw85 [7k\]: 1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1
WorkerBee [10k\]: Sensei's says you only get 1 point?
jim [6d\]: this joseki should be interesting
wotan123 [2d\]: and SOS
xDragon [15k\]: well basically kim eunhuk has to lose his match for anyone else to have a chance
WorkerBee [10k\]: But how come they have 40 points after 10 rounds? Are there like 30 bands?
mcw85 [7k\]: The players start with a certain number of points depending on the bands.
xDragon [15k\]: so see if he loses first
Suicide [-\]: w can afford to tenuki here, no?
sefil3k [2k\]: i thought this one is first table
Suicide [-\]: board 2
Baccano [2d\]: white has to help c5 and f3 stones
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
JEGO [10k\]: will Catalin H5 move
Suicide [-\]: Probably h4
Baccano [2d\]: I'd like to H4 too, but it's not lot safer than tenuki imho :P
xDragon [15k\]: uh oh its the fan
WorkerBee [10k\]: See, now there is some fan action
Baccano [2d\]: probably h5
lepeksiy [-\]: if kim eunkuk loses and kim joon sang wins then  kim joon sang will win the tournament.
wotan123 [2d\]: so one kim will win
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not sure
xDragon [15k\]: i heard that oh chi-min has a shot too
lepeksiy [-\]: kim joon sang has the highest sos
os [?\]: I'd find fan use distracting if I were the opponent
xDragon [15k\]: well youre assuming joon sang will win
JEGO [10k\]: so Catalin must win this game
qgo [4k\]: Is that you again Harry? Have a nice day
Suicide [-\]: os, no wonder they're so popular
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx qgo
Suicide [-\]: I have those bowls. O_o
Zeniching [6k\]: white is taking a long time on this hand
Suicide [-\]: He doesn't want to give away what he's holding.
Baccano [2d\]: the more he thinkgs, the less I think he'll go for H5 heh
ColdFront [4k\]: Great kibitz Suicide
ColdFront [4k\]: very inciteful
wotan123 [2d\]: h4
jim [6d\]: H5 is not korean style
Zeniching [6k\]: teniki
wotan123 [2d\]: never tenuki
Suicide [-\]: He's thinking about how hard it will be to live well if he takes the last corner...
JEGO [10k\]: h5 for Catalin probably to test joon intention or play elsewhere?
jim [6d\]: maybe Catalin will chose a variation wich is not popular in Korea
jim [6d\]: this joseki 
wotan123 [2d\]: and which one could it be?
MoonCrash [5k\]: a1 variation?
Kuros [8k\]: the one not devolving into pure chaos
JEGO [10k\]: no at this stage G3 is a bad move
jim [6d\]: Catalin is good at this joseki too
mcw85 [7k\]: EGO: You should have instructions on how to instal flash plug-in for browsers. ^^
xiaoMao [14k\]: something not clear for me when you are 1 P you are suposed to be stronger than (dan?
xiaoMao [14k\]: 9dan*
jumpdragon: ...
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, i know, was too lazy for that
ColdFront [4k\]: ...
xDragon [15k\]: ,,,
jumpdragon: they are two different systems..
xiaoMao [14k\]: ys i am stupid
wotan123 [2d\]: no
Suicide [-\]: Chrome users just click on the place where the plugin is needed...pretty simple.
jumpdragon: 1p means you are professional and you study/ make money out of this game
xiaoMao [14k\]: ok
jumpdragon: it is your living
jumpdragon: job etc
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;W[ce]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hui
ColdFront [4k\]: I just did the "..." because everyone else was.  I am sorry we made you feel stupid.
jim [6d\]: nice
xiaoMao [14k\]: ah so 1P and one dan equivalent?
wotan123 [2d\]: surprise,surprise
jumpdragon: so how strong they are, yes they are usually strong
mcw85 [7k\]: Hmm, Catalin left handed.
AKeshi [5k\]: 1P is one-dan professional
sefil3k [2k\]: who is that lil girl?
jumpdragon: most 1p are 9d + because it IS their job and they study all day for it
MoonCrash [5k\]: on kgs maybe 1p is 9d, maybe less
Suicide [-\]: xiao, p ranks are not a measure of strength, so 1p will often be stronger than 1d.
xiaoMao [14k\]: ok thank s guys sorry to bother
wotan123 [2d\]: who was the one , who say tenuki?
AKeshi [5k\]: Most 1p's are 9d in KGS. With EGS ratings, there's a difference about 2-3 stones between amateur and professional dan levels.
pafy [3k\]: hia
Zeniching [6k\]: that would be me
Zeniching [6k\]: lol
sefil3k [2k\]: c15 is not a tenuki
jumpdragon: why is there an empty corner?
jumpdragon: seriously?
ColdFront [4k\]: c15 is the shizzle, very shapely
mcw85 [7k\]: "Usually" should be added. 
WorkerBee [10k\]: xiaomao
WorkerBee [10k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Rank
jumpdragon: black p4
jim [6d\]: now maybe black will think long
xiaoMao [14k\]: thanks workerbee
jumpdragon: so biggest moves are empty corner, and k17
Novalys [2k\]: b can get H5 ?
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;B[hp]C[RamenBoya [4d\]: 7d often as strong as 1p.  1 p often as strong as 9p.
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: is the time correct up there? (150:00  for each player?)
Novalys [2k\]: h4 : /
Novalys [2k\]: slower
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
jumpdragon: WHYY
Novalys [2k\]: More solid though
tsuchigumo [-\]: Without first c4 etc
RamenBoya [4d\]: i liek this move
wotan123 [2d\]: h4 is the key point for both
AKeshi [5k\]: H4 attacks the two weak stones
mcw85 [7k\]: Good move, in my opinion.
AKeshi [5k\]: It's a good move.
wotan123 [2d\]: so w tenuki, b takes it
jim [6d\]: I was expected also C4 first
Novalys [2k\]: Oh mr elephant kibitzing :)
RamenBoya [4d\]: w maybe more comfortable if h 4 first then c 15
Novalys [2k\]: c15 a bit of overplay already
KlerChazal [-\]: there's only one dude left with no loss in the egc !
noth1ng [2k\]: does b have account on kgs?
wotan123 [2d\]: i hope catalin will not play alex style
jumpdragon: klerchazal, they all have one losses
mcw85 [7k\]: Everyone has at least a loss.
WorkerBee [10k\]: What is Alex style?
RamenBoya [4d\]: what is alex style?  i dont know much about these people
Novalys [2k\]: dinerchtein
wotan123 [2d\]: sinogi
RamenBoya [4d\]: ?
KlerChazal [-\]: @jumpdragon, no, a 7k is unbeaten :)
Gattsu [8k\]: i hope catalin wins this..
mcw85 [7k\]: At least all the top players.
jumpdragon: i always thought dinerchtien's style was territorial
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i would play c3 now
Novalys [2k\]: and tricky, he loves tricks
MoonCrash [5k\]: b3 here?
Novalys [2k\]: like twoeye :p
jumpdragon: he likes trick moves
silveret [?\]: yes. Their styles are completely different
jumpdragon: but he doesnt play them
jumpdragon: not in tournaments
WorkerBee [10k\]: shinogi is territorial isn't it?
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
RamenBoya [4d\]: shinogi wa nan desu ka
WorkerBee [10k\]: That is Sakata's style?
mcw85 [7k\]: Shinogi is living inside opponent's sphere of influence.
MoonCrash [5k\]: g7?
Novalys [2k\]: no one has sakata style except sakata ;)
wotan123 [2d\]: so some groups have to work hard
WorkerBee [10k\]: uh huh.
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: on wikipedia it says Catalin Taranu started playing go at 16, is this true???? :O
RamenBoya [4d\]: ??
RamenBoya [4d\]: shinogi nani nani?
brocolli: they both escapers
suaviento [6k\]: hehe
sfrex [1k\]: EUROGO who won yesterday alex or catalin
xDragon [15k\]: yea he started go at 16
Tiny81 [5k\]: catalin won
xDragon [15k\]: james kerwin 1p began playing go in college
wotan123 [2d\]: ramenboya can you translate?
svrcd [?\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
sfrex [1k\]: thxs
RamenBoya [4d\]: what does shinogi mean?  i can't remember
WorkerBee [10k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shinogi
MoonCrash [5k\]: type of noodle
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
tsuchigumo [-\]: c4 would seem normal, if c3 then b3
WorkerBee [10k\]: It is a kind of ninja
xiaoMao [14k\]: if ay question ask to> workerBee ^^
kane955 [4k\]: where they going with that camera
RamenBoya [4d\]: oh shinogi sounds like me, at least my old style
WorkerBee [10k\]: Or search on Sensei's . . . 
kane955 [4k\]: is there another live feed?
xiaoMao [14k\]: lol
Novalys [2k\]: the game catalin played against diner was weird
Novalys [2k\]: i did not understand at all dinerchtein choices in the game
wotan123 [2d\]: cho chikun is considered a master of it
RamenBoya [4d\]: DInerchtein should not be "Breakfast", but "Dinner"
MoonCrash [5k\]: strange, my live feed froze, anyone else trouble?
WorkerBee [10k\]: Dinner is somebody else
Sylth [?\]: what does 5p stand for?
WorkerBee [10k\]: Dinner is scary
wotan123 [2d\]: i am glad that catalin won against alex
Novalys [2k\]: 5d pro
Sylth [?\]: oh...
mcw85 [7k\]: Dinerstein is breakfast.
RamenBoya [4d\]: it didn't freeze, Catalin froze
WorkerBee [10k\]: No, I mean, look at user "dinner" in the archives
Novalys [2k\]: lol
mcw85 [7k\]: Oh, yeah.
WorkerBee [10k\]: tenuki master
qgo [4k\]: MoonCrash: log ou and in again
mcw85 [7k\]: There is a dinner, maybe there is a lunch, personally I like brunch.
MoonCrash [5k\]: ah, works now :)
Albast [9k\]: is this the last round ?
wotan123 [2d\]: w c3?
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes.
Albast [9k\]: thx
wotan123 [2d\]: but then b gets outside
mcw85 [7k\]: Chi-Min Oh was undeafeated in the Rapid tourney.
mperahia [3k\]: catalin won against dinerchtein?
JustA [6k?\]: I wonder why they can't show up to date time.
egc2009gro: catalin won against dinerchtein
wotan123 [2d\]: catalin won against alex
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
mperahia [3k\]: thx
egc2009gro: and eunkuk against in seong
wotan123 [2d\]: any idea for w now ?
JustA [6k?\]: any guesses on white's next move?
RamenBoya [4d\]: w feels awkward
MoonCrash [5k\]: b3?
RamenBoya [4d\]: black's move is excellent
wotan123 [2d\]: i have no
sefil3k [2k\]: w c3 is what i am expecting
wotan123 [2d\]: seems all bad
mcw85 [7k\]: P3.
Badduck [5d\]: q3 q4
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
RamenBoya [4d\]: but c 3 gets chopped, despite territory...
wotan123 [2d\]: the next tenuki
Suicide [-\]: I was thinking f7 for some reason
RamenBoya [4d\]: here, it is unacceptable because middle black sre supposed to be left as weak as possible, from white's point of view
RamenBoya [4d\]: otherwise the joseki fight is hacked
sefil3k [2k\]: w cant play q3 -4 move before he strenght his c5 f5
Tiny81 [5k\]: if w playes C3 F4 will be cut off
Tiny81 [5k\]: F5 I mean
Badduck [5d\]: w cant ....
Novalys [2k\]: thinking for a long time
mcw85 [7k\]: Andy Liu won the NAIM last night by defeating Mingjiu Jang.
wotan123 [2d\]: i think w cannot allow b for closing in
WorkerBee [10k\]: how will F5 be cut? D5?
zc3k [1k\]: semifinal?
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;W[ho]C[mcw85 [7k\]: No, Final.
]
;B[io]
;W[hn]C[RamenBoya [4d\]: this is the only thing that looks possible
Suicide [-\]: Pretty good for b...
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;B[hk]
;W[jm]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Oh lala.
Novalys [2k\]: k9 not to run from behind ?
Suicide [-\]: Nice...now j6 puts d3 at risk
MoonCrash [5k\]: b take lower right now?
TeeSushi [3d\]: k9 first i think
Novalys [2k\]: w getting K9 looks painful 
Novalys [2k\]: B has to get it
TeeSushi [3d\]: yes i think so too
Novalys [2k\]: ^^
Suicide [-\]: Nov, I think w disagrees.
qgo [4k\]: large scale strategy
mcw85 [7k\]: EGO: Ask Yanqi to come back?
Novalys [2k\]: Maybe they won't play honte
JEGO [10k\]: catalin
RamenBoya [4d\]: and which moves are honte?  ;p
Tiny81 [5k\]: can b tenuki and take the open corner now?
Suicide [-\]: I would pay $1000 to see this end in a huge seki
Baccano [2d\]: I'd k4
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;B[in]
;W[im]
;B[hm]
;W[fn]C[Novalys [2k\]: well not letting w  K9 and get ahead is honte
TeeSushi [3d\]: oh wth
Novalys [2k\]: then cut works too =)
mcw85 [7k\]: Seems bad for white.
RamenBoya [4d\]: i thought maybe...when b j 6, w tenuki for g 8 peep first
RamenBoya [4d\]: just one idea..
WorkerBee [10k\]: Isn't W shut in now?
RamenBoya [4d\]: ah but the otherpeep,
RamenBoya [4d\]: maybe now
Baccano [2d\]: yes WBee, but white cut, so it's ok
Novalys [2k\]: i'd dream about b letting w live gote and getting k9- after
Suicide [-\]: There's enough aji to work with for the moment, Bee.
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;B[gm]C[JustA [6k?\]: this seems tense
Thew [3k\]: he is, workerbee, but professionals dont mind that if they can live
Baccano [2d\]: Seijo watching =)
RamenBoya [4d\]: oh i forgot it was b turn XD
qgo [4k\]: cut at j 4 ?
AKeshi [5k\]: G7 for shape..
Gattsu [8k\]: w can live somehow.. 1 eye at b4 , 1 eye around d6
Baccano [2d\]: EGO, how is seijo doing? Is he still healthy? :)
wotan123 [2d\]: seijo smoking menthol cigarettes
Novalys [2k\]: burk
Baccano [2d\]: heh
golife [1d\]: w j4
Novalys [2k\]: menthol are disgusting
Zeniching [6k\]: f3 
wotan123 [2d\]: but he do so
HandA [1k\]: board 1 should be the Kim Eun game
Novalys [2k\]: black got cool shape, and separated w, cool job
xDragon [15k\]: dont hate on menthol now
zc3k [1k\]: b like bloody battle
kuvvetmira [3k\]: who was champion of egc2008?
suaviento [6k\]: i like j 4
WorkerBee [10k\]: funny, I am looking at that too
mcw85 [7k\]: Some shady deal just transpired...
suaviento [6k\]: j4...as qgo said
wotan123 [2d\]: j4 is very attracting
modgethanc [14k\]: is there a video feed for this match?
tnba [1k\]: i thought w j4 will be played quicky
WorkerBee [10k\]: j4 k4 j3 k5 ?
silveret [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
modgethanc [14k\]: thank you
qgo [4k\]: first cut, then think
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
MoonCrash [5k\]: w probably will go for life first? 
Suicide [-\]: First think, then cut, then think.
wotan123 [2d\]: the first cut is the deepest
silveret [?\]: would w try to approach the empty corner?
WorkerBee [10k\]: But there are so many problems after that sequence for W
R [1k\]: kuvvetmira, the previous egc2008: http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/scoreboard/ 
monk316 [1k\]: yo eurogov1, isn't winning this tournament and becoming european champion the same thing?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
Suicide [-\]: silveret: not before helping f5 and such
WorkerBee [10k\]: I guess W can extend right though
silveret [?\]: ok
kuvvetmira [3k\]: tx R
Hoyuk [12k\]: tenuki?
wotan123 [2d\]: i would be surprised
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;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[iq]C[golife [1d\]: g4
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;B[hq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: j2
Gattsu [8k\]: b still has the belly tesuji
Gattsu [8k\]: w in trouble
golife [1d\]: l3
zc3k [1k\]: hunter
mirlipili [1k\]: L4
zyklop [1d\]: b wants short game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: j2 tp play l5 or f3!
monk316 [1k\]: isn't this tournament called European Go Championship?
Novalys [2k\]: congress
jim [6d\]: black want but maybe J6 to optimistic
kumbhaka [3d\]: W+R
zyklop [1d\]: european go congress
TeeSushi [3d\]: its an open championship
golife [1d\]: l4 has toomuch aji...L3 i enough
TeeSushi [3d\]: so anyone can participate
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is the European Go Congress that has 2 tournaments running in the main event
Novalys [2k\]: b will have some power in the center in this game
Novalys [2k\]: that's nice
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: i just noticed, Catalin seems to be Left Handed
Muscadet [?\]: l3 is terrible, b  plays l4 and captures
SunnyD [2d\]: what are the top prizes?
TeeSushi [3d\]: you are too so maybe you should become pro leibniz?
WorkerBee [10k\]: l3 l4 m3 ......
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I have much to learn
TeeSushi [3d\]: me too :D
SunnyD [2d\]: B making lovely shapes
wotan123 [2d\]: not easy position
Tiny81 [5k\]: @workerBee: l3 l4 m3 k3
Muscadet [?\]: k3 with snapback
golife [1d\]: c7 safety
Novalys [2k\]: You cannot play c7 and let J3
WorkerBee [10k\]: l3 l4 m3 k3 k2 k4 j2 
MoonCrash [5k\]: maybe w try f3?
Novalys [2k\]: it would be too much to sacrifice
Muscadet [?\]: k2 j2
Suicide [-\]: WorkerBee, you mean k2 j2 k4 k3
WorkerBee [10k\]: oh, I see
Suicide [-\]: snapback
golgo13 [12k\]: two empty triangles in less than 30 moves???? is this a new world record or somthing?
WorkerBee [10k\]: yeah, that is trouble isn't it? ^^
TeeSushi [3d\]: fighting triangles
Novalys [2k\]: removing libs triangles ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: i think j2
AKeshi [5k\]: At least not B2 bombers
Suicide [-\]: 2 more empty triangles, and Kim can have a segmented square.
MoonCrash [5k\]: least not squares
golife [1d\]: c7 is not bad to play c3 or c9
dqdfd: w K4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: j2 only move
iggy [1k\]: L4
BenSenTen [?\]: l5
Zeniching [6k\]: i'm think j2
Onmyoji [2d\]: b1 
JustA [6k?\]: l3?
sefil3k [2k\]: that result looks good for b
Albast [9k\]: how about l4 ?
JustA [6k?\]: l4 bad
Tiny81 [5k\]: but what with b j2 w l4?
Baccano [2d\]: don't talk about "result" yet :p
Albast [9k\]: why ?
Tiny81 [5k\]: sorry
Tiny81 [5k\]: w j2 b k4
JustA [6k?\]: liberty shortage in a fight
zc3k [1k\]: L4
wotan123 [2d\]: L4 leads to bad shape
Silvan [9k\]: hmm, the US and European Go congress takes place around the same time?
JustA [6k?\]: what wotan said
TakokaT [4k\]: l3 then?
AKeshi [5k\]: L3 L4
Suicide [-\]: F3
Onmyoji [2d\]: w resign
JustA [6k?\]: haha
Onmyoji [2d\]: :(
BenSenTen [?\]: b will be champion if he kill f6 group
WorkerBee [10k\]: So many psychics in this kibitz
AKeshi [5k\]: Joon is at two losses
Suicide [-\]: Ben, you were done before 'if'
Hoyuk [12k\]: e3?
modgethanc [14k\]: aw, cute kids. do they play? :D
xDragon [15k\]: kim eunhuk has to lose his game if anyone else is to have a chance
SunnyD [2d\]: maybe the kids can help
Tiny81 [5k\]: what sould w play after w j2 b l4?
JustA [6k?\]: Well, white is broken up into weak attackable groups
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;W[ko]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ah
Gattsu [8k\]: finally
qgo [4k\]: the nose-play
AKeshi [5k\]: Uu, tesuji
wotan123 [2d\]: tne nose
JustA [6k?\]: ahh, white trying to consolidate
Gattsu [8k\]: a move worth looing into
golife [1d\]: for sente
Gattsu [8k\]: looking , even
SunnyD [2d\]: taranu got married??
TakokaT [4k\]: w going to sacrifice for thickness?
Albast [9k\]: hm, and everyone saying ah I expected that move...
JustA [6k?\]: think so
silveret [?\]: wrong hand
BenSenTen [?\]: l5, w also think like psychics, ...
Zeniching [6k\]: it doesn't work
Onmyoji [2d\]: b needs d1
sefil3k [2k\]: l5 l4l l3 w wall 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i still think white should have j2 before
Suicide [-\]: l5 l4? O_o
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;B[jp]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: might want to push b down, build wall, then take corner?
Baccano [2d\]: EGO, I'm not sure if j2 really threats anything worthy at f3
BenSenTen [?\]: psychics still better than insect
kimball [5d?\]: must live first
Novalys [2k\]: he cannot build a wall
AKeshi [5k\]: White's shape is broken
TakokaT [4k\]: seems like he can only wall in gote, otherwase b can cut
AKeshi [5k\]: I don't think wall is his first priority right now =)
Suicide [-\]: k3 l4 l3 m4 f3
Onmyoji [2d\]: this position is good for resigning
wotan123 [2d\]: this position is worth long analysis
Baccano [2d\]: I mean, b j2 wouldn't mean f3 and l5 miai, at all
Baccano [2d\]: I meant w j2
SunnyD [2d\]: so what is the top prize?
Onmyoji [2d\]: 5000€
wotan123 [2d\]: not bad
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a date with Zhang Yanqi
silveret [?\]: I also think k3
SunnyD [2d\]: for euro or main?
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
jumpdragon: lol
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
jumpdragon: eurogotv1 , best answer ever
wotan123 [2d\]: i would take 5000 eus
SunnyD [2d\]: pic of zhang?
Silvan [9k\]: what if a woman wins?
sefil3k [2k\]: who is zhang yanqi?
Onmyoji [2d\]: she is cute
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: she walks in from time to time
Tiny81 [5k\]: what is catalin thinking about ... he must have expacted K4 aswer
Zeniching [6k\]: a date with chow yun fat
Suicide [-\]: Silvan, then it's a lucky woman.
wotan123 [2d\]: 5000 eus also cute
Silvan [9k\]: heh...
Bembelbote [-\]: the little taiwanese girl?
SunnyD [2d\]: eurogo, alert us when she is in
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
sefil3k [2k\]: with 5000 euro i would get many dates :P
SunnyD [2d\]: or call her to the table 
BenSenTen [?\]: taiwanese? not chinese?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: chinese
Bembelbote [-\]: oh, ok :)
sefil3k [2k\]: isnt she hungarian?
Bembelbote [-\]: but 6d right?
Gattsu [8k\]: oh come on, k3 already..
BenSenTen [?\]: hungarian maybe related to chinese according to history
wotan123 [2d\]: zhang yangi sounds not hungarian
sefil3k [2k\]: pls show zhang yanqi :P
Silvan [9k\]: we're all related through africa...
Muscadet [?\]: w wants to pay e3 - e2; d2 
wotan123 [2d\]: 100 000 years ago
JustA [6k?\]: everyone is related
JustA [6k?\]: currently
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;W[ir]C[JustA [6k?\]: *everyone*
wotan123 [2d\]: haha
wotan123 [2d\]: j2
Bembelbote [-\]: if she is the girl i think she is a date will not be a good price because she has a boyfriend :P
silveret [?\]: ooh
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: nah, its the Finns
JustA [6k?\]: I think it's within 6-8 degrees of seperation
BenSenTen [?\]: a kgs admin did say zhang is only 15, n we should not think about dating her...
wotan123 [2d\]: j2 is the key point
Kuhzin [13k\]: hi, what is 5p @ Catalin Taranu?
globax [4d\]: miai L4 and f3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: she is 21
Zeniching [6k\]: i can date her, i'm only 17
Onmyoji [2d\]: http://lapedra.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/yangqilp.jpg
JustA [6k?\]: ...Don't
globax [4d\]: l4
Suicide [-\]: Time for me to go back in time and win this thing...
globax [4d\]: no choice
Novalys [2k\]: yanqi zhang ? bensenten ?
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;B[jq]C[BenSenTen [?\]: yes
Novalys [2k\]: she's 22
Silvan [9k\]: thanks
Novalys [2k\]: T_T
wotan123 [2d\]: taking libs
JustA [6k?\]: teenage girls are a headache like none other, and teenage boys don't rank much higher.
BenSenTen [?\]: oh, thx
Gattsu [8k\]: now i don't like w's position at all..
SunnyD [2d\]: not dateable, she looks too blurry
Novalys [2k\]: She's a very nice person by the way ^^
Gattsu [8k\]: i preferred k3..
JustA [6k?\]: why did white j2?
Silvan [9k\]: nice people are dateable
wotan123 [2d\]: nice gattsu
JustA [6k?\]: aiming at f3?
BenSenTen [?\]: but she really like 15 when u watch the live show at eurogotv
WorkerBee [10k\]: The level of kibitz on this game is very high
Gattsu [8k\]: good question  justa
Suicide [-\]: k2 here
Novalys [2k\]: I know, i was astonished when she told me "i'm 22" I thought she was kidding me lol
JustA [6k?\]: ...I thought l4 was better response to k4
qgo [4k\]: nose-play again at f 3 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i still think k5 was not good
Suicide [-\]: not yet, qgo
Baccano [2d\]: you meant l5 EGO?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
veteran [1d\]: must k2
SunnyD [2d\]: why W thinks so long again if he was thinking earlier
Novalys [2k\]: w is falling apart with all his groups
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: maybe w wants F3
sefil3k [2k\]:  w is thinking about k2 instead of f3
Suicide [-\]: k2 gains a lib for f3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: alert
JustA [6k?\]: Depends on what you want from a relationship. and why not k4-l4?
wotan123 [2d\]: k2 only if it do some usefull things , cauze crawling second line
Novalys [2k\]: i have to go, where can i find the sgf of the whole game later ?
BenSenTen [?\]: how many of us, kibitzers, think w can win this game?
Baccano [2d\]: here's zhang
SunnyD [2d\]: TOO QUICK
sefil3k [2k\]: k2 also sente cos w has l3 after k2
zc3k [1k\]: J2 good?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Very difficult position, the sacrifice/squeeze has implications for the corner, ie w has options
JustA [6k?\]: I think white is in a pinch, and is trying to work through it.
Suicide [-\]: Novalys, in EuroGoTV1's info.
Novalys [2k\]: Suicide, the game is a demo
Suicide [-\]: So?
Novalys [2k\]: it'll disappear once everyone leaves
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;W[cq]C[Suicide [-\]: It will be saved, I'm sure.
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
tsuchigumo [-\]: Expected
Opul3nce [8k?\]: b in trouble
mirlipili [1k\]: no
wotan123 [2d\]: no
Onmyoji [2d\]: zhang was just in the room <3
BenSenTen [?\]: w in trouble?
wotan123 [2d\]: b not in trouble
Novalys [2k\]: see you guys, enjoy the game ;)
BenSenTen [?\]: bye
modgethanc [14k\]: j2 group looks sad 
wotan123 [2d\]: ciao
veteran [1d\]: c3 was better than cut at j4
Zeniching [6k\]: white in trouble yes
OHHDANG [8k\]: K2?!
Opul3nce [8k?\]: look at the top left, and f5 will likely live
BenSenTen [?\]: but j2 likely die
Opul3nce [8k?\]: assume j2 is dead, and k3 lives...so what...
Suicide [-\]: I'm surprised w finds c3 bigger than k2
Opul3nce [8k?\]: w can create wall by threating to kill k3
wotan123 [2d\]: k2 is in some kind painfull
Opul3nce [8k?\]: and with that influence expand out
Marsalkka [19k\]: This is the final of the congress?
zyklop [1d\]: yes
sefil3k [2k\]: lil blonde girl is also 6d?
Marsalkka [19k\]: ty
golife [1d\]: e2 looks like good for w
WorkerBee [10k\]: Oh, what rank is that little girl?
Suicide [-\]: lil blonde girl just read out the whole game
Onmyoji [2d\]: 9p
Suicide [-\]: She knows the winner.
egc2009gro: 6d
BenSenTen [?\]: i think b will let w crawling at the 2nd line if w k2
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
wotan123 [2d\]: and this is painfull
sefil3k [2k\]: dude where is xhang yanqi
Suicide [-\]: Ben, w only needs an extra lib with k2, to kill g3
BenSenTen [?\]: cannot understand w would start up the game like this
golgo13 [12k\]: what happens if the girl flips the board?
zyklop [1d\]: depends what happens to the left then
Suicide [-\]: Wotan, she came and went
Marsalkka [19k\]: How's the clocks?
jleone [5k\]: k2 helps w to capture the 2 stones g3h3h4
Suicide [-\]: golgo, they ask EGTV what it looked like.
wotan123 [2d\]: the 5000 euro girl?
Suicide [-\]: yes, her
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
SunnyD [2d\]: diner is losing a lot of hair 
wotan123 [2d\]: because his style
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;B[ep]C[BenSenTen [?\]: result would be b let w alive n b has the 3 stones
Suicide [-\]: Too much breakfast can do that.
zc3k [1k\]: E3
kumbhaka [3d\]: is there a link with the prizes?
jleone [5k\]: now w seems to be in trouble ..
Zeniching [6k\]: d5 
BenSenTen [?\]: e4 is strong
WorkerBee [10k\]: It is amazing, every time one side makes a move, the kibitzers think the other side is in trouble . . . 
wotan123 [2d\]: e4 preparing for c2
Suicide [-\]: High level games swing back and forth well into midgame.
Zeniching [6k\]: white has been in trouble all this while
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe also prepare for d6
SunnyD [2d\]: this game could end in 60 moves
wotan123 [2d\]: its an multidimensional move
Suicide [-\]: That would make this move well into midgame. ;-p
Thew [3k\]: c8
StefanRadu [2d?\]: jim, ce parere ai?
wotan123 [2d\]: c8 would be ambigious
Marsalkka [19k\]: How abut e or d 7 ?
Marsalkka [19k\]: about*
BenSenTen [?\]: painfully d5?
Jocky [3d\]: Eurogotv ...
Marsalkka [19k\]: im a newbish
Albast [9k\]: white has an easy life 
wotan123 [2d\]: imagine w c8 and then b d6
SunnyD [2d\]: D2
BenSenTen [?\]: b d6 then
Lakotnik [5k\]: w k7 and l5 stones look funny
wotan123 [2d\]: d6 a key point
zyklop [1d\]: w d7
WorkerBee [10k\]: d7? I don't understand that one
Marsalkka [19k\]: I would play d6 or d7
Marsalkka [19k\]: i mean d7
Marsalkka [19k\]: just intuition
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
mirlipili [1k\]: :D
Marsalkka [19k\]: go by the flow
Marsalkka [19k\]: hehe 
zyklop [1d\]: :)
wotan123 [2d\]: flow is good
kane955 [4k\]: f3
WorkerBee [10k\]: Why D7 when you can D6?
mirlipili [1k\]: e4 is really strong!!!
wotan123 [2d\]: d7 looks pseudo
zyklop [1d\]: s d6 must be prevented
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: d2
LugPaj [2d\]: my bet is w d6
golgo13 [12k\]: d5
zyklop [1d\]: maybe it is
jleone [5k\]: d2 
acket [1d\]: B is in favour
silveret [?\]: d6 looks safe...
zyklop [1d\]: but slow
golgo13 [12k\]: who won nigiri?
wotan123 [2d\]: d2 is a good idea, but...
silveret [?\]: yes
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe w not in good condition today, he was very strong yesterday
monobrow [7k?\]: did he beat breakfast?
Suicide [-\]: d7 c4 ko woul be interesting...
Suicide [-\]: *would
mirlipili [1k\]: d6 w safe gote
acket [1d\]: W group is weak and destroyed
BenSenTen [?\]: yes
BenSenTen [?\]: he did beat breakfast yesterday
rydberg [2d\]: have you considered d4? maybe not worth saving h5
monobrow [7k?\]: wow, thx
WorkerBee [10k\]: What happens if W E2?
just9x9 [-\]: not saving h5 gives the game to  black imho
acket [1d\]: but Diner will become Champion
jleone [5k\]: d2 to capute the 3 stones, and make b running away with 2 groups
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe breakfast played too much handi games, he did move like k yesterday
wotan123 [2d\]: w has not an easy task here
Zeniching [6k\]: white looks stressed
kane955 [4k\]: f3!
zc3k [1k\]: how much  money for finalist
WorkerBee [10k\]: f3 doesn't work, I think
wotan123 [2d\]: i´m glad that i can kibitz and relax
acket [1d\]: Diner-Taranu 3:3 in EGC
Marsalkka [19k\]: no f3
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;W[dr]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
silveret [?\]: wow
Jocky [3d\]: ko
Jocky [3d\]: :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: finally he listens to me
Marsalkka [19k\]: didn't see that coming
jleone [5k\]: yes
wotan123 [2d\]: yes eurogotv1
just9x9 [-\]: c2 would have been to good apparently
Suicide [-\]: Is that BUM?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Marsalkka [19k\]: EuroGoTv1, who is the clocks?
Marsalkka [19k\]: im ean how
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
SunnyD [2d\]: W is surely losing, played my move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cou can see for yourself in fullscreen
rydberg [2d\]: this is consistent with the d4, if b cannot c4
StefanRadu [2d?\]: you esn mean
StefanRadu [2d?\]: ean*
Curiot [2k\]: it is too early to be broken up like this
BenSenTen [?\]: d2 is good move...n probably both alive
wotan123 [2d\]: e2 or c4 or c2?
zc3k [1k\]: E6 aji?
SunnyD [2d\]: SunnyD [2d\]: D2 BenSenTen [?\]: b d6 then
Suicide [-\]: xD
xcut [1d\]: if both live, the result will not be great for W
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: 2d says d2?
os [?\]: b 2:06 w 1:25
just9x9 [-\]: maybe w gets corner and outside squeeze?
Marsalkka [19k\]: is this the last game?
wotan123 [2d\]: and 7d say d7?
BenSenTen [?\]: i would e2, the most simple way
wotan123 [2d\]: e2 is the simple way
wotan123 [2d\]: but the best?
Jocky [3d\]: c4  now?
KerLaeda [-\]: does b play here on kgs?
BenSenTen [?\]: i m not sure, maybe the best to a k
Curiot [2k\]: not that we know of
KerLaeda [-\]: ok
Suicide [-\]: c4 ko, kill everything or die trying...
siulongbao [6k\]: k2 ?\]
Jocky [3d\]: 50 cent :D
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
wotan123 [2d\]: BenSenTen: yes, e2 if someone is not sure and want play safe
avsdvsdv: who won the USgo tournament?
Tsumugari [4k\]: white played a bad joseki
zyklop [1d\]: s d6
BenSenTen [?\]: what is yr move, wotan
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;B[dn]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: BAM!
wotan123 [2d\]: d6 ;-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very nice
Marsalkka [19k\]: What now biaaaatch?!
Marsalkka [19k\]: =)
sefil3k [2k\]: who was that pink top lady?
rydberg [2d\]: d6 more consistent with e4, good compromise
SunnyD [2d\]: SunnyD [2d\]: D2 BenSenTen [?\]: b d6 then
Curiot [2k\]: looks like a knock out blow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: e3
StefanRadu [2d?\]: e2 looks nice.
BenSenTen [?\]: :P
wotan123 [2d\]: d6 is the prize for d2
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah how come w didnt play to d6
Suicide [-\]: I like e3 without k2
wotan123 [2d\]: like h4 was
zyklop [1d\]: looks terrible for w now
Albast [9k\]: the bamboo looks pretty much captured now
BenSenTen [?\]: w lose..
golgo13 [12k\]: f5 stones dead?
Onmyoji [2d\]: resign
Jocky [3d\]: lol
globax [4d\]: m4-k2?
Jocky [3d\]: no 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
wotan123 [2d\]: peronally i prefer b, because he has mor momentum
LugPaj [2d\]: almost half of w stones are dead
sefil3k [2k\]: dude honestly this w shape doesnt look like pro shape to me
SunnyD [2d\]: what is W playing with in his hand
BenSenTen [?\]: 3 stones on b's wall crying
Jocky [3d\]: to connect stones 
zc3k [1k\]: weak pro
BenSenTen [?\]: w was strong yesterday
zc3k [1k\]: korean too strong
Suicide [-\]: Pair of Aces.
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;W[eq]C[sefil3k [2k\]: dude seriously, no joseki no potential no future development by looking at these w stones
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Onmyoji [2d\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am getting better
noth1ng [2k\]: ^^
jim [6d\]: white not so bad
BenSenTen [?\]: if b match with yesterday catalin, b would not lead the game like this
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;B[dp]C[zyklop [1d\]: hot fight
expat [4d?\]: wow, alex dinerstein got an easier draw than catalin today for sure he? :)
wotan123 [2d\]: hot dogs
Albast [9k\]: oh, white might be able to save some stones
veteran [1d\]: k2
seishiro [6k\]: f4?
WorkerBee [10k\]: gotta f4 right?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: f4 was the plan
janssensei: alex had already got the heavy stuff
tsuchigumo [-\]: I wish idiot kyu players would stop dissing pros like Catalin
softwind [3k?\]: diner is probably thinking mwahahah..now you suffer catalin
Revenje [3d\]: if w  lives in corner comfortable and    also takes    first move in open corner  is ahead right?
golgo13 [12k\]: I would rather lose j2 stones...
sefil3k [2k\]: i would prefer f3
tsuchigumo [-\]: Does it make you feel better
plusguy [-\]: not rly
Jocky [3d\]: my opinio is .b mistake here :D
plusguy [-\]: black is ahead
Muscadet [?\]: d5
wotan123 [2d\]: w f4 looks really bad
Suicide [-\]: c2
Godaisuki [1k\]: f3 then c4 and white plays someother place?
qgo [4k\]: are they creationg a new joseki ?
Ranye [8k\]: l6 in sentee after all for b is big?
wotan123 [2d\]: cauze b e2
WorkerBee [10k\]: But won't W die if he doesn't F4?
rydberg [2d\]: ws shape needs fixing, e3 looks like yose only
gogonuts [5d\]: what a cool position
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: time for K2?
BenSenTen [?\]: seems w 3 stones can connect to corner
expat [4d?\]: f4 f3 e2 g6
mof [3d?\]: l6 is not sente here
mof [3d?\]: it is not as if w will try to save those stones
Ranye [8k\]: i mean after
zyklop [1d\]: w k2 now
Suicide [-\]: c2 should kill d4 or connect to j2
mof [3d?\]: not if h5 dies
wotan123 [2d\]: you mean the day after?
almaya [4d\]: k2 
LugPaj [2d\]: k2  bad i think
sefil3k [2k\]: k2 is nice yes good timing
rydberg [2d\]: c4 seems the obvious move here, fixing shape in sente
SunnyD [2d\]: C4
monk316 [1k\]: this looks really, really bad for w
almaya [4d\]: k2 m3 f4 
monthadar [5k\]: F4 E2 F3 C2 ... black takes corner?
wotan123 [2d\]: i vote for c4
Suicide [-\]: c4, boom
Draxt [7k\]: D5?
zyklop [1d\]: baamboo stones are important
Onmyoji [2d\]: its still only joseki
WorkerBee [10k\]: what kind of joseki is this???
Onmyoji [2d\]: new korean joseki
monk316 [1k\]: this is a joseki?
expat [4d?\]: the kind of joseki that loses the game on time :P
Suicide [-\]: A good one.
WorkerBee [10k\]: Kogo's joseki ended at G9......
gogonuts [5d\]: yeah :-)
gogonuts [5d\]: top notch
Revenje [3d\]: f4 f3 d5?
wotan123 [2d\]: but for my feeling w position looks overstressed
just9x9 [-\]: hehe will end at g9 you mean? ;)
spiridush [3k\]: f4
gogonuts [5d\]: its certainly stressed :-)
BenSenTen [?\]: w just not natural
Revenje [3d\]: then take stone   the  w c4   and d7?
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe overplayed too much
Suicide [-\]: hmm...b2 looks nicer than c2 to me
gogonuts [5d\]: but w can still move at k2 so i dont know what to make of it
avsdvsdv: w better
wotan123 [2d\]: c15 tenuki was the bad guy for me
BenSenTen [?\]: w butter
donzet [?\]: 17 black stones and 7are diying
sefil3k [2k\]: 7?
avsdvsdv: magnificient 7, all dead
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w definitely stressed out
monobrow [7k?\]: b q16 is nearly dead
IGoofy [1d\]: its ok. they had a nice life
zyklop [1d\]: so unclear what will die
wotan123 [2d\]: something
jleone [5k\]: w f4 will settle nicely the group
sefil3k [2k\]: dude f3 is the only move besides k2
minismurf [-\]: (making outside cutting stones useless)
avsdvsdv: w f4 ends in gote
WorkerBee [10k\]: f4 already shown to die, jle
gogonuts [5d\]: f4 is possible
jleone [5k\]: no, wrong
Chashn71 [11k\]: what happens after w k2?
zyklop [1d\]: w f4 b e2
WorkerBee [10k\]: f4 f3 e2 g6 ?
jleone [5k\]: f4 mk life
gogonuts [5d\]: because w still has k2 there is some hope in f4
avsdvsdv: f4 lives but gote
jleone [5k\]: unfortunetely gote, but b has to run anyway
wotan123 [2d\]: w f4 with the plan of d5 cut?
Revenje [3d\]: if f4 is answered f3 crner becomes big though
CookieMon [11k\]: still 35??
expat [4d?\]: f4 doesn't work, black can f3
expat [4d?\]: w is short of liberties
sefil3k [2k\]: running out time
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe f4 better choice, keep h7 disconnected
CookieMon [11k\]: w is dead already?
Revenje [3d\]: f4 f3 d5 e5 e6 e2 c4 e3 d7 
sefil3k [2k\]: this game born death!
monk316 [1k\]: f4 still allows time for b to e6 i think
WorkerBee [10k\]: After G6, B can play F7
CookieMon [11k\]: at least those 4 
Uberdude [5d?\]: c15 was bad?
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;W[fp]C[expat [4d?\]: !!
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
avsdvsdv: yes reven but gote
jleone [5k\]: yes
gogonuts [5d\]: only move with hope
BenSenTen [?\]: then d17 was bad
golgo13 [12k\]: double triangle = 2 negatives = - - = +
WorkerBee [10k\]: well, I guess we will find out for sure now, won't we?
rydberg [2d\]: oh my, thisll get interesting
expat [4d?\]: catalin sensei has a plan
monk316 [1k\]: e2
wotan123 [2d\]: the only move for hope, but hope is some kind of weakness
avsdvsdv: w needs to find a way to end in sente
Majeste [10k\]: black is dangerous now
sefil3k [2k\]: dude b e2 kills everything
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
Revenje [3d\]: btw i think even if catalin looses this he becomes first european
SunnyD [2d\]: Catalin is very nervous now
expat [4d?\]: no e2 doesn't kill everything
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;B[fq]
;W[do]
;B[er]
;W[eo]
;B[cr]C[avsdvsdv: dinerchteitin wins for sure, so catalin will be 2nd in EGC?
]
;W[cp]
;B[ds]C[wotan123 [2d\]: d5 cut;-)
Onmyoji [2d\]: omg
WorkerBee [10k\]: huh???
Revenje [3d\]: no
Silvan [9k\]: wah
siulongbao [6k\]: k2 ?
Suicide [-\]: k2
Revenje [3d\]: if catalin loose and diner  wins is tie and catalin will have more sos
Marsalkka [19k\]: should
Silvan [9k\]: I wasn't expecting thatr
Curiot [2k\]: looks still dead
rjngmk: no
avsdvsdv: terrible result for w
gogonuts [5d\]: not very good for w, but better than catastrophic
Hojo [2k\]: very bad for w isn't it?
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: this not so good for w
rjngmk: breakfast has better sos
BenSenTen [?\]: d7 for life?
Tulkas [12k\]: okay don´t like w
mope: B won
Albast [9k\]: hm, at least white is alive
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: terrible
Revenje [3d\]: better sos now but not after this round
Draxt [7k\]: isn't D7 enough to live?
LeoDorst2: w had to salvage the cut somehow, or the game would be over
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;W[bl]C[expat [4d?\]: ouch
trebleclef [2k\]: w not bad
avsdvsdv: looks hopeless for w...
Marsalkka [19k\]: no K2 ?
Suicide [-\]: W really gunning for those b stones now.
wotan123 [2d\]: wotan123 [2d\]: w f4 with the plan of d5 cut? ;-)
SunnyD [2d\]: B9
avsdvsdv: W really gunning for life
BenSenTen [?\]: w not just bad, is very bad
Albast [9k\]: d9 stones are a bit weak ?
avsdvsdv: d9 fine and in great shape
rjngmk: d9 are strong
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;B[bk]C[rydberg [2d\]: at least w holds onto the cutting stones
expat [4d?\]: k2 would make black very strong
gogonuts [5d\]: J7 and k7 remain useful so its still a game
wolokom [5k\]: w alive
Tsumugari [4k\]: white can resign soon
Tsumugari [4k\]: no ?
BenSenTen [?\]: j2 die
Suicide [-\]: c8 c9 f7?
seishiro [6k\]: too soon to resign
rjngmk: cutting stones useless if both groups are strong...
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;W[cl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
]
;B[ck]
;W[dl]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ah :-)
BenSenTen [?\]: :)
avsdvsdv: poor w
wotan123 [2d\]: sorry, for me b has a clear winning position
Ranye [8k\]: is there allowed undo?
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
Suicide [-\]: No
OHHDANG [8k\]: lol
Albast [9k\]: sure
Suicide [-\]: ;-p
Hoyuk [12k\]: e7?
OHHDANG [8k\]: yea
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Marsalkka [19k\]: finger on the stone
OHHDANG [8k\]: undo only after ur opponent responds
golgo13 [12k\]: they can undo once per game
KoReNJe [3d\]: l6 strong
Revenje [3d\]: sure  you  just have to pay 5 euro to your opponent to undo
OHHDANG [8k\]: lol
]
;B[el]C[Korea4K [2d\]: when a player  agianst korean will win, he should avoid fight.
rydberg [2d\]: b building thickness as a result, its sure a losing strategy... how will w retribute?
wittel [3k?\]: both players can undo 3 times every 50 moves
wotan123 [2d\]: and now c15 is disproved
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;W[ej]
;B[ek]
;W[em]
;B[cg]C[wotan123 [2d\]: haha
expat [4d?\]: right, settled, back to the game :)
avsdvsdv: w starts building lower right now
donzet [?\]: now a new game begin for catalin
Suicide [-\]: w is intimidated
avsdvsdv: w desperate now
climbtrees [6k\]: w needs to start building something
Porkypine [8k\]: TURN YOUR FLASH OFF WOMAN
Porkypine [8k\]: god how rude
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
Marsalkka [19k\]: brutal
Tsumugari [4k\]: tenuki
trebleclef [2k\]: m3
zyklop [1d\]: hello korea4k :)
Albast [9k\]: please be polite porky
WorkerBee [10k\]: gee, what's the big deal . . . the territory is almost the same, W just has to build the corner and keep those center stones alive
Porkypine [8k\]: I am polite.
Porkypine [8k\]: I'm not the one flashing 300 people and the two players in the face
Korea4K [2d\]: now catalin should choise another tactic for ex play for territory
Marsalkka [19k\]: How about K2 ? shouldn't w play there?
Silvan [9k\]: did someone take a picture?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: the game is still on.
Korea4K [2d\]: Hallo zyklop
Albast [9k\]: hm, you distract 500 people with caps lock porky
IGoofy [1d\]: doesnt look w had a tactic before
Baccano [2d\]: k2 horrible now
Suicide [-\]: Many people have taken pictures so far...
zyklop [1d\]: k2 wuould destroy aji
Marsalkka [19k\]: ok
Suicide [-\]: Almost all with flash.
jleone [5k\]: k9 or something around ..
gogonuts [5d\]: m3 maybe
Porkypine [8k\]: Hardly, if you're watching the chat you're already doing something else.
Silvan [9k\]: of course w had a tactic, he wouldn't have thought so long otherwise
noth1ng [2k\]: on this level game is over for w
Hashishin [-\]: k2 nothing for w or j2 is dead?
zyklop [1d\]: maybe w wants l3
WorkerBee [10k\]: k2 l3 l2 m3 etc......
sefil3k [2k\]: w is running out of time
Suicide [-\]: k2 too small
Suicide [-\]: W doesn't want to crawl while b profits.
trebleclef [2k\]: k2 = resign
quicksand [1k\]: k2 helps b
Baccano [2d\]: k2 not small, k2 going in negative :p
mof [3d?\]: ja
Kirigo: d13 ?
mof [3d?\]: it is better for w to try to squeeze in some way
Curiot [2k\]: n3 would be better for B
StefanRadu [2d?\]: q4
ilonaellen [8k\]: what about the last corner
dqdfd: K17
monk316 [1k\]: w needs to think of a very very clever way to use k7 stones
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah, white q4 ?
rydberg [2d\]: how about w playing in the lower right corner
Marsalkka [19k\]: so j2 is dead?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: wow, catalin doesn't look too hot in this position
Suicide [-\]: I was thinking r4 if w plays that corner
Zeniching [6k\]: everytime i look at the game, black is missing
Revenje [3d\]: q3  looks  better than q4
rydberg [2d\]: k9 also looks really big
avsdvsdv: what are you talking about warfreak, catalin easily the hottest player at that congress!!
avsdvsdv: by far
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i mean on the goban
avsdvsdv: ah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
gogonuts [5d\]: he might just go for c12
jleone [5k\]: m3 is sente ?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if you want mr europe 2009 then my vote is for boo :>
muliny [1k\]: lol. tenuki :P
pendulum [3k\]: how much time left for catalin eurogo?
WorkerBee [10k\]: nuclear tesuji?
mof [3d?\]: effect of coffee is over...?
rydberg [2d\]: m3 is too close to thickness
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but anyway, c13 is exactly the kind of move a strong player plays against me and then i realise, hold on, this is terrible for me
mof [3d?\]: has he fallen asleep?
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;W[ch]C[sombrerro [-\]: sorry warfreak, but boo is taken
Badduck [5d\]: not allowed to play in lower right?
gogonuts [5d\]: m3 is sente, but i cant tell you if its kikashi or aji keshi
zc3k [1k\]: anyway undo was ok?
Mukti [4d\]: wow
expat [4d?\]: w is clawing back his money!
R [1k\]: empty corner so far
Suicide [-\]: The girl came back. O_o
Warfreak2 [5d\]: sombrerro, i'm allowed to admire from a distance, aren't i?
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;B[dg]
;W[eh]C[sombrerro [-\]: you can try, i'd rather not mess with sophia though
hanniibal [6k\]: il veux provoque la faute 
Curiot [2k\]: W looks so amateurish
Crowno [10k\]: fighting spirit!
mof [3d?\]: he is an amateur :)
WorkerBee [10k\]: Who is boo?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: 9d
hanniibal [6k\]: profesionnal
macgill [2k\]: 5p was nothing but before
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h9 dead?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :-)
expat [4d?\]: the k player comments in this tournament have been pretty disrespectful :S
golgo13 [12k\]: he wants to temp fate?
lemuria [3d?\]: seems like game over ?
Albast [9k\]: boo`s first name is bam
]
;B[al]C[expat [4d?\]: should line them up for some simultanous slaughter one day
sombrerro [-\]: or whoops, i thought you meant an entirely different boo
expat [4d?\]: black wants to make f7 sente?
gogonuts [5d\]: if b can make a9 sente b12 connects
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this looks au
IGoofy [1d\]: b wondering why he gets such an easy snack in the last round
]
;W[bn]C[just9x9 [-\]: yeah he is pity for his sos :)
mof [3d?\]: catalin should call in that cool strong girl that plays for him online
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
mof [3d?\]: she'd soon even the score
Rossk [-\]: well, a9 still not sente?
Korea4K [2d\]: B15?
Albast [9k\]: is there a little time gap before the video relay ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
WorkerBee [10k\]: Yes, Albast
trebleclef [2k\]: w looks good
Silvan [9k\]: I don't see what black can do for those two stones
zc3k [1k\]: B13
Hojo [2k\]: the empty corner looks quite big
WorkerBee [10k\]: It seems like it to me, I see the moves before they are played on the video
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;B[bm]C[Albast [9k\]: me too workerbee
Revenje [3d\]: i dont think you can blame  k players for disrespect  is just ignorance of their ignorance
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am doing this so long i know what they think
Albast [9k\]: lol
Jadeite [?\]: hehe
Korea4K [2d\]: b will kill^^
Badduck [5d\]: :-) eurogotv
golgo13 [12k\]: setting up for ko fight?
Zeniching [6k\]: you should join the tourney then
Warfreak2 [5d\]: there is no boo but boo and his name is boo
trebleclef [2k\]: b will get killed
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that would be boring
donzet [?\]: black will get a9in sente
Tulkas [12k\]: eurogo´s are really cool dude´s^^
Suicide [-\]: Discordian, War? ;-p
Uberdude [5d?\]: a9 is still sente
Marsalkka [19k\]: they just pretend to be cool
zyklop [1d\]: w just c6
Marsalkka [19k\]: they aren't even dudes!!
IGoofy [1d\]: ko for the corner
Tulkas [12k\]: xD
Badduck [5d\]: w c6 and a9 sente?
Marsalkka [19k\]: omg, newsflash! BAM!
lemuria [3d?\]: actualy just wc6 is fine
WorkerBee [10k\]: Hmm, a gang just came in
lemuria [3d?\]: dont know what w is thinking about
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white is not at the board
Zeniching [6k\]: white isn't at the table
Bembelbote [-\]: whats wrong with c7?
avsdvsdv: everybody in the netherlands is 2m tall :D 
avsdvsdv: poor asians
Badduck [5d\]: he is asking this smart girl for help?
TeeSushi [3d\]: c7 and happily alice ...strange
lemuria [3d?\]: c7 makes a9 sente
donzet [?\]: miss referee is about 1m65
TeeSushi [3d\]: no?
Rossk [-\]: how so?
Albast [9k\]: when I just learned the game I played the corners first, guess those players forgot that
Silvan [9k\]: how does c6 work?  wouldn't black just D7?  or are thoose 3 stones too small to worry about?
WorkerBee [10k\]: uh W connects if B D7
expat [4d?\]: silvan if black d7 w c7 and capture
Pungyeon [1k?\]: Can anyone register at the EuroGOTV website?
Albast [9k\]: yes
sunmoon [2d\]: very strong this move
Pungyeon [1k?\]: I tried to register yesterday, and I didn't get any mails
Suicide [-\]: Albast, it's hard to play all the corners when the third corner is turned into a huge fight
Bembelbote [-\]: w is thinking about tenuki? xD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what is the problem 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: have you checked your junk mail?
Pungyeon [1k?\]: I don't have a junk mail
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: did u use the correct email?
Pungyeon [1k?\]: yes
IGoofy [1d\]: i guess b get ko or b12 connection
Badduck [5d\]: special case of tenuki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: give me your emailadres
gogonuts [5d\]: w must live without making a9 b sente
golgo13 [12k\]: maybe w went home?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pm
gogonuts [5d\]: c6?
WorkerBee [10k\]: Can somebody explain to me A9?
Orc [4d\]: A10 sente u mean?
sefil3k [2k\]: why not w c7 simply?
gogonuts [5d\]: if b gets a9 b12 connects
Suicide [-\]: because c7 not so simple.
donzet [?\]: c6 is smaller but doesn't give black  a9 sente 
lemuria [3d?\]: no c7 because of c7 a7 a6 a9 b2 c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 
Rossk [-\]: well how is a9 sente after c7?
lemuria [3d?\]: :p
Namaskar [1d\]: C6 might loose a couple of points and feels submissive but keeps things safe
just9x9 [-\]: c7 a7 a6 a9 and if w prevents connection on top b has c6 d7 b5 and kills
expat [4d?\]: does b12 connect?
Draxt [7k\]: is after A7 white obliged to play A6?
Orc [4d\]: A9 and C12 doesn't look like connection
OttosMops [2k\]: c6
trebleclef [2k\]: i think is to make f7 sente eye
Suicide [-\]: draxt, not really
Zeniching [6k\]: the prize is only to the winner?
Draxt [7k\]: ok
trebleclef [2k\]: making sure f9 group is not in danger i guess
trebleclef [2k\]: so can run d13 group the attack d11 group
]
;W[cm]
;B[am]C[expat [4d?\]: b12 does not connect
donzet [?\]: wc7 ba7 wa6 ba9 if white pass bc6 and b5  w is  dead
expat [4d?\]: it's a rumour :)
Larrave [3k\]: doublecrosscuttesuji
Larrave [3k\]: XD
donzet [?\]: c6 was better
Albast [9k\]: is tenuki an option ?
lemuria [3d?\]: poor w ... this game is going to end before move 100
Orc [4d\]: white can live in sente here
acket [1d\]: W alive
Baccano [2d\]: how can b kill if tenuki?
donzet [?\]: white pass then die
acket [1d\]: not sente
avsdvsdv: :)
trebleclef [2k\]: c6
Larrave [3k\]: white passes twice
Baccano [2d\]: right
]
;W[an]C[trebleclef [2k\]: then there is the b5 cut
]
;B[ak]C[Namaskar [1d\]: looks like a case of accepting more trouble rather than playing submissive c6 
Badduck [5d\]: a6?
Draxt [7k\]: b12?
avsdvsdv: c6 would have helped nothing
zyklop [1d\]: strange
expat [4d?\]: f7
just9x9 [-\]: b4 for life now
Orc [4d\]: not sente, B4 is necessary
gogonuts [5d\]: not yet alive
Badduck [5d\]: y not b4 without a6?
R [1k\]: b11 
expat [4d?\]: true, need a move inside
StefanRadu [2d?\]: f14
]
;W[br]C[mi1 [1k\]: ?(
Larrave [3k\]: bad result for white or?
expat [4d?\]: black's group pretty much has 2 eyes 
lemuria [3d?\]: lol ?!
lemuria [3d?\]: what is b2 ?
Cassis0 [5d\]: what b2 for? 
Lukan [4d\]: ko for life?
Larrave [3k\]: living
expat [4d?\]: otherwise black will c6
Rossk [-\]: thought it didn't work ..
]
;B[de]C[gogonuts [5d\]: how about d15, trying to make 
Kuros [8k\]: c6 kills
R [1k\]: aaaa... c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 c6 
gogonuts [5d\]: b12 a connection :-)
expat [4d?\]: black c6 would have killed w
]
;W[dd]
;B[be]C[shinobi33 [2d\]: if white doesn't play b2, blacks pulls out a ko
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if not Bc6 comes into play
zc3k [1k\]: too too strong
rapit [2k\]: what a mess so early in the game...
donzet [?\]: black is heavy there
gogonuts [5d\]: w must play c16?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: thats 1k move. not necesarily strong strong move.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bc6  Wd7  Bb5
seishiro [6k\]: c14?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: false eye
golgo13 [12k\]: w is being throughly abused
Badduck [5d\]: c6 wont kill
adwue [4k\]: what about c14
]
;W[ee]C[OttosMops [2k\]: b c6 sth like 11pts in gote?
lemuria [3d?\]: how come badduck ?
Orc [4d\]: white is behind now, lost control in center
lemuria [3d?\]: sequence please ?
IGoofy [1d\]: isnt c6 ko ?
lemuria [3d?\]: yes it is a ko
macgill [2k\]: but c 6 means f 9 group is fine 
]
;B[cf]C[gogonuts [5d\]: c12connects now
gogonuts [5d\]: b12
gogonuts [5d\]: i mean
Orc [4d\]: c6 does nothing other than wast ko threat
szaloony [5k\]: wow this is whole board fight
Badduck [5d\]: c6 is nothg imo
zyklop [1d\]: third empty triangle
IGoofy [1d\]: c6 squezze eye than a2
zc3k [1k\]: B12 bridge
Baccano [2d\]: 4th Zyklop
expat [4d?\]: now b12 works 
Larrave [3k\]: black got 5 empty triangle^^
shinobi33 [2d\]: empty triangle is the best move sometimes
golgo13 [12k\]: b need to make another empty triangle to erase badness of this one
zyklop [1d\]: oh, thx , baccano
Baccano [2d\]: e3 doesn't count as one, captured a stone :p
RyuuGan [3k\]: c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 c6 b1 ?
RyuuGan [3k\]: how about this?
OttosMops [2k\]: :)
donzet [?\]: to avoid ko when Bc6 then  Wb4 but it's cost 4 stones too black 
Ranye [8k\]: new theory of go says that empty triangle is very powerfull
Badduck [5d\]: b1 a2
rydberg [2d\]: having w d14 and then b e13 looks so broken...
zc3k [1k\]: why korean so strong in go?
gogonuts [5d\]: still, b c13 want the safest way, wasnt b c12 good and simple?
Orc [4d\]: A2 then A3, it doesnt work
IGoofy [1d\]: hen b1
zyklop [1d\]: for me empty triangle is like boomerang, very difficult to work with
BenSenTen [?\]: it's kind of compensation...
golgo13 [12k\]: good thing that b's sensei is not a japanese, otherwise there would be a talk of hara kiri and what not
donzet [?\]: in fact Bc6 has no problem for W
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: whire looks dead to me...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white
OttosMops [2k\]: donzet: that's 11pts then?
RyuuGan [3k\]: thanks
RyuuGan [3k\]: Badduck and Orc
Denniskutl [3d\]: b1 a2 a4 
Orc [4d\]: A2 B1 B3 A3
]
;W[cd]C[BenSenTen [?\]: w doesn't play like a 5p
]
;B[eg]C[Orc [4d\]: I mean white can A3 after A2 B1 B3
R [1k\]: like a 6p?
gojustingo [8k\]: go Catalin!!!!
Larrave [3k\]: did bbw win yesterdayy?
Badduck [5d\]: b1 a2b4a4
BenSenTen [?\]: no
BenSenTen [?\]: bbw lost
Korea4K [2d\]: f13 is important for both
donzet [?\]: Be sure that if Black don't play that's because white is alive
Korea4K [2d\]: e13 sorry
RedPanther [7k\]: bbw won
kumbhaka [3d\]: Time left?
GreGorMIF [22k\]: b4, a2 or b1
monobrow [7k?\]: yeah, bbw won
R [1k\]: who is bbw?
Larrave [3k\]: bbw gonna raise to 9p immediatly;P
DocFaust [4k\]: a killer ^^ 
mi1 [1k\]: bigbadwolf
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i fell asleep during the game but i am sure he would win
golgo13 [12k\]: big beautiful woman
IGoofy [1d\]: lady killer
BepMyT [2k\]: check usgo1
BenSenTen [?\]: yesterday usgo match, bbw lost to tartrate
Orc [4d\]: beautiful women are never big :P
shinobi33 [2d\]: white g12
avsdvsdv: bbw won the usgo :D
climbtrees [6k\]: commented North American ING final game is available
mi1 [1k\]: yesterday he won some 7p
golgo13 [12k\]: taylor swift is
kuvvetmira [3k\]: yes he won the usgo
]
;W[fg]C[Silvan [9k\]: geez, how do amateurs beat p's
shinobi33 [2d\]: wow
avsdvsdv: bbw won the usgo, check usgo.org
R [1k\]: hane...
Larrave [3k\]: if he won he beat already 3 p
avsdvsdv: bbw beat 3 pros
Orc [4d\]: catalin is beaton too here
Silvan [9k\]: oh, THAT was bbw
golgo13 [12k\]: d12?
Larrave [3k\]: yes
Orc [4d\]: BBW beat 3 pros if I am not wrong
Korea4K [2d\]: korean 7dan is almost pro level
Larrave [3k\]: bbw is no beautiful womanXD
climbtrees [6k\]: bbw won NA Ing, US Go today
avsdvsdv: pros are not what they used to be.. .:)
golgo13 [12k\]: bbw is woman, there is even a magazine titled as such!
StefanRadu [2d?\]: b dies?:)
Tulkas [12k\]: when he beat 3 pros you can´t even say" well he was lucky against one or so" he is just strong like hell
mi1 [1k\]: no
trebleclef [2k\]: b12 connects
R [1k\]: contr-hane
]
;B[bh]C[cccqqqq: these are not real active pros
Silvan [9k\]: I saw the last game, he played really well
Korea4K [2d\]: sente first
Larrave [3k\]: usgo cam is 24h/7 online?O.o
]
;W[ff]
;B[pp]C[rydberg [2d\]: uh-ho... w is really badly off here, isnt he
R [1k\]: hoshi. proper time :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b11
Silvan [9k\]: isn't that black group too weak to tenuki?
rydberg [2d\]: b is safe
mi1 [1k\]: he is connected
Larrave [3k\]: safe and connected
]
;W[bi]C[Korea4K [2d\]: b played Q4?
daladim [1k\]: isnt b c6 still ko ?
golgo13 [12k\]: c112
Marsalkka [19k\]: there should be like a boxing commentary
]
;B[dh]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: AAAAND HEEE CONNECTSS!!!!
]
;W[ci]C[mi1 [1k\]: imo isn't
rydberg [2d\]: a11 dos it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a11 now?
gojustingo [8k\]: check out that eurobabe...she's hot
Orc [4d\]: I might find something, what if blk C6 D7 A2 B1 B3 B4 A4? look like a KO
MatchFree [-\]: i dont like whites position here..
cccqqqq: I think most pros outside of Asia can not make top 20 amateurs in China or Korea
]
;B[ai]C[rydberg [2d\]: f12 first maybe
Tiny81 [5k\]: but there is F12 cut... isnt it?
daladim [1k\]: agree with Orc
StefanRadu [2d?\]: i w trying to kill the upper b half?^^
Silvan [9k\]: wow, for some reason I never would've played those moves
]
;W[fh]C[IGoofy [1d\]: w would b4 after bc5
Jocky [3d\]: gote 
trebleclef [2k\]: ==
Korea4K [2d\]: N17 enough
LugPaj [2d\]: b k16 now
Zeniching [6k\]: becasue we tend not to consider moves on the first and seconf line
Acemi [?\]: white trying too hard to keep connected
avsdvsdv: gote and b got to play q4
avsdvsdv: terrible
MatchFree [-\]: white gote again..
minismurf [-\]: K9 now is thick though
shinobi33 [2d\]: black q10
]
;B[nc]C[Badduck [5d\]: n17 or so?
dgjkp: white sligthly better
trebleclef [2k\]: really thick
tildebis [?\]: game over
Korea4K [2d\]: small but big
]
;W[bd]C[sdsd: very hard game for w
]
;B[bf]C[Acemi [?\]: desperate
TheGoose [2d\]: game over
StefanRadu [2d?\]: k9!
avsdvsdv: w solid but has to invade heavily now
minismurf [-\]: hmm, b 2 eyes already
trebleclef [2k\]: a13
TheGoose [2d\]: b did get 2 tenukis
trebleclef [2k\]: 1 eye still
LugPaj [2d\]: g8 second eye
kumbhaka [3d\]: time?
expat [4d?\]: eurogo? what is the time on their clocks, please? hope nobody asked recently..
Orc [4d\]: when blk play A2 without the exchange of B5, then there seems to be a ko
avsdvsdv: expat so polity
Marsalkka [19k\]: wtf? black looks like a teenager
LugPaj [2d\]: no, he looks korean ;).
Zeniching [6k\]: looks like w 1:53, b 0:44
Korea4K [2d\]: for w is K17 bigst
Arctic [5d\]: Orc, in your sequence white can play a4 instead of b4 
MatchFree [-\]: ah.. white wants 2 win on time :)
Silvan [9k\]: he's just skinny, that's all
Badduck [5d\]: k7 seems a bit too weak for attack
]
;W[qn]C[shinobi33 [2d\]: black has the upper hand
tildebis [?\]: game is already over
Arctic [5d\]: besides, white can always gice up c8  stones
zc3k [1k\]: Q4 n O17 very big
]
;B[np]
;W[mp]C[macgill [2k\]: b is much AHEAD
Orc [4d\]: if white play A4, blk tenuki, blk have the advantage of capture 2 stones
meuns [2k\]: seems even
shinobi33 [2d\]: white is desperate
Marsalkka [19k\]: who was that emo-boy
MatchFree [-\]: still hard 2 win a won game though..
Marsalkka [19k\]: lol
MatchFree [-\]: so white always still have a chance
JoostC [4d\]: Maybe black could have played M3 instead of o4
JoostC [4d\]: To kill all the aji
zc3k [1k\]: K2 aji
Tulkas [12k\]: is black really that much ahead?
daladim [1k\]: c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 c6 b1 b4 a2 a3 and ko ? can w live without ko ?
Korea4K [2d\]: L6
Marsalkka [19k\]: w looks like he doesen't believe he can win
zyklop [1d\]: b left side group still has one eye ^^
Silvan [9k\]: black looks really ahead to me
]
;B[nq]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: but he just cant resign yet
Denniskutl [3d\]: daladim b1 a2 
Larrave [3k\]: p never resigns
StefanRadu [2d?\]: m2
]
;W[rp]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: r7
Hometet [9k\]: hey eurogo is 24hours?
rapit [2k\]: @marsalkka f7 is say a sente eye for black. so black is pretty stable there
JoostC [4d\]: After M2 black k2 and the three white stones never come alive again
TeeSushi [3d\]: n4 o3 good exchange i think
MatchFree [-\]: r7 looks on the edge..
Korea4K [2d\]: L16 is big
Lion [2d\]: i'm sure that the p give him "handi"
Lion [2d\]: and let him this lead,
Hometet [9k\]: bbw is the champion no?
TeeSushi [3d\]: its an even game
Tsumugari [4k\]: korean amateur are like pro
Lion [2d\]: to make the game better
TeeSushi [3d\]: the p is in no position to give such a player a handi
Wizzos [2k\]: how come w isn't just dead? c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 c6 a4 or something like that no?
tildebis [?\]: R7
dqdfd: and european pros are like amateurs
trebleclef [2k\]: lol the referee guy is funny
daladim [1k\]: ah yea sure i didnt see b4 after a4 denniskutl
Shadowrun [6k\]: what if catalin loses and dinner wins?
Renju [-\]: not a chance Lion, a pro plays for winning, especially in a tournament, that what made them pros in the first place ;)
Korea4K [2d\]: for me L16 is best move
minismurf [-\]: please comment on game instead of comparing strengths in various systems... it has been done before :-)
expat [4d?\]: wizzos: white can answer c6 at A4 and throw away 4 stones in the worst case
TeeSushi [3d\]: c6 d7 b5 e6 c6 d6 a5 c6 b1 a2 ...alive
avsdvsdv: EGC has been done before, too
Tulkas [12k\]: this will never stop^^
shinobi33 [2d\]: black r8
Tsumugari [4k\]: the better move is on the left side
Shadowrun [6k\]: who is european champ pif cata loses and dinner wins?
pendulum [3k\]: someone tell eurogo that a move has been played
Wizzos [2k\]: mmm ok, i was reading that a4 doesn't work either actually
NT9x [3k\]: b r7
jutsu: test
losanios [2k\]: s11 better
Shadowrun [6k\]: *if
]
;B[qm]C[hghgfgdf: Taranu the best!!!!!!!!!
Tsumugari [4k\]: like i said
TeeSushi [3d\]: c6 d7 is still alive
Tsumugari [4k\]: :)
jutsu: A+
Korea4K [2d\]: hm...
shusaku1 [-\]: dinner has better SOS
ilonaellen [8k\]: it's manja
meuns [2k\]: 5p is lsing :s
Korea4K [2d\]: b play real good
Zeniching [6k\]: anybody care to explain that move?
hghgfgdf: He MUST win
mi1 [1k\]: europeaon p is fake p :P
zc3k [1k\]: R7 winning move
zyklop [1d\]: c6 is just a ko threat
BenSenTen [?\]: this is a korean move
Larrave [3k\]: korean move
MatchFree [-\]: r7 is a joseki,
Larrave [3k\]: ^^
Larrave [3k\]: yes
hghgfgdf: And he WIL win
expat [4d?\]: indeed, r7 is korean joseki
donzet [?\]: when Bb1 Wa2 there's no way for black to make dead shape around a4
hghgfgdf: WILL*
MatchFree [-\]: but might get a little complicated now..
TeeSushi [3d\]: r7 is maybe 10-15 years old i think ^^ ... many complicated variations
yuuubeiiii [6k\]: time?
Suicide [-\]: q7 usually correct, no?
Zeniching [6k\]: wouldn't white r3?
]
;W[pm]C[NT9x [3k\]: q7
donzet [?\]: so white has no problem
]
;B[ql]C[Pungyeon [1k?\]: Joon is using no time at all wtf...
MatchFree [-\]: as white m2 has aji aswell..
Orc [4d\]: I like R7 move
mof [3d?\]: jä, 24/7, next up is the go king of Kirrie competition.
MatchFree [-\]: hard 2 see where this figthin will lead 2
IGoofy [1d\]: how about starting at a2 ?
macgill [2k\]: W IS HELPING B MOVE
Marsalkka [19k\]: Black seems like he is bored
mof [3d?\]: w is a gentleman
expat [4d?\]: compared to the normal joseki, white doesn't have a peep at p5
Tsumugari [4k\]: i've said r7 first ^^ 
BenSenTen [?\]: i did that in my last rengo game here n won
shinobi33 [2d\]: white q6
TeeSushi [3d\]: q6 possible now ... new move i think
qgo [4k\]: n 2?
zc3k [1k\]: b very tough
Marsalkka [19k\]: HEY THAT BOY IS FROM FINLAND
Orc [4d\]: Blk  A2, white A4, blk can capture B2 stone but not big now
Marsalkka [19k\]: in the white t-shirt
JoostC [4d\]: Why is black so agressive, making an extra group. White wil find a moment to play m3.
]
;W[rn]C[MatchFree [-\]: q6 s6 makes bad shape for white..
svrcd [?\]: caps off pls
bolb [-\]: Marsalkka : stop southing please
IGoofy [1d\]: true
]
;B[qq]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: sorry
BenSenTen [?\]: we want to hear the GIRLS r from finland...
Marsalkka [19k\]: getting excited
cccqqqq: western and japanese pros still have the same problem: as soon as mid-game starts, they crumble
Marsalkka [19k\]: :D
Zeniching [6k\]: q6 
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: no such thing as western pro :p
Longshi [-\]: kgs kibbitz has reached an all-time low it seems
meuns [2k\]: p5
Orc [4d\]: yeah they are weak at fighting in middlegame
Korea4K [2d\]: K2 and L6 miai
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah, nothing beats a 10 year old finnish girl huh?
IGoofy [1d\]: w woul dhave time to fix the squeeze
shinobi33 [2d\]: eurobabe's back
Silvan [9k\]: hey, some of these young players are eerily good
macgill [2k\]: oh god , i think the game will moderately be over 
Craw [?\]: eurobabe watching so long, is she a pro?
Marsalkka [19k\]: nah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no old
shinobi33 [2d\]: not a go pro, I guess
avsdvsdv: lol
cccqqqq: too much textbook reading, not enough practice and experiment
Craw [?\]: hehe
IGoofy [1d\]: are there non black haired female pros  at all ?
expat [4d?\]: cccqqqq do you have any sense of historical perspective? take it easy
expat [4d?\]: these players are pioneers :)
avsdvsdv: igoody, lol
donzet [?\]: she is polish pro
avsdvsdv: pro in what`/
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: she?
shinobi33 [2d\]: white o6
Marsalkka [19k\]: well, polish woman.. a pro... need to ask?
cccqqqq: don't live in the past, expat :))
]
;W[pl]
;B[qk]C[MATb [2d\]: blonds never make it to a pro level
macgill [2k\]: ways of thinking should change, so does styles if necessary
oOiOo [1d\]: b ahead ?
golgo13 [12k\]: madam curie was a pro
]
;W[pk]
;B[qj]C[Pinchilei [2d?\]: wrong
Pinchilei [2d?\]: svetlana did
]
;W[no]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: she's a fake blonde
shinobi33 [2d\]: focus on the game, guys
Zeniching [6k\]: n5 
Orc [4d\]: she is a real blonde
TheGoose [2d\]: b should not play too relaxed
golgo13 [12k\]: q10
MATb [2d\]: no-focus on blonds
Marsalkka [19k\]: you sure that aint just tupee?
cccqqqq: I mean Redmond became pro like what? 20 years ago?
meuns [2k\]: you are blonds
cccqqqq: no real improvement since
shinobi33 [2d\]: white is aiming at taking sente and playing r13
TheGoose [2d\]: w is making the max out of his stones
TheGoose [2d\]: i agree shinobi :-)
expat [4d?\]: the improvement is, dinerchtein and taranu came back and teach the rest of us
qgo [4k\]: hwite fighting like a lion now
Orc [4d\]: P5 seems to be natrual move
meuns [2k\]: yes
Marsalkka [19k\]: w shaking his head
]
;B[mq]C[shinobi33 [2d\]: white is not so happy
expat [4d?\]: b killed the aji
TheGoose [2d\]: b really annoyed by the aji
Marsalkka [19k\]: why so serious
cccqqqq: yes, the base is broader undeniably, but the top of the pyramid has not risen
golgo13 [12k\]: n3 erases k2 aji?
Denniskutl [3d\]: w wants to protect q6 cut in sente and play r14
Denniskutl [3d\]: or r13
ataraf [8k\]: becose b wininng
shinobi33 [2d\]: white r13
ZeroPoint [?\]: the sudden demise of Japanese Go is closely related to its economic boom, youngsters have too many good things to distract their atttentions, while hungry communist countries people have plenty of time on Go board, that is how I explain the collapse of Japanese Go
Tulkas [12k\]: w only 34 min b 1:47
IGoofy [1d\]: the master of  desaster
Baccano [2d\]: really tempting to resign :-/
shinobi33 [2d\]: catalin is just considering r13
]
;W[qd]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: its always even if you are winning baccano ;)
Denniskutl [3d\]: aha
Zeniching [6k\]: uppper right corner looks big
shinobi33 [2d\]: oops
Longshi [-\]: and south korea is communist country zero ?
TeeSushi [3d\]: so crappy games i play xD
]
;B[qe]
;W[re]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: it is a contact game
]
;B[qc]
;W[rd]C[Driftwood [?\]: hm communism = good go oder bad living conditions = good go?
macgill [2k\]: why not r12?
]
;B[qf]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: i count b +23.5
just9x9 [-\]: does someone know the name of the clock model? seems an improvement over the DGT 2010? at least another colour?
Driftwood [?\]: both sound wrong
Korea4K [2d\]: w surcide? cant live
Marsalkka [19k\]: I head a rumor. North Korea is genetically altering humans to create a perfect go player
Baccano [2d\]: r18
ZeroPoint [?\]: Koreans are not cpmmunist, but they have fairly limited life choices
IGoofy [1d\]: its not easy for a pro to have a position like that within 100 moves. so it needed time.
shinobi33 [2d\]: white s13 and r18
golife [1d\]: r12
turk [6d\]: r18, can live
cccqqqq: actually the collapse of japanese go is in the last 10-15 years, japan's economic boom was in the 60's-80's
zc3k [1k\]: what w doing?
jleone [5k\]: white plays ..really bad, stupid moves
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;W[rc]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: s17 wtf Oo
expat [4d?\]: s17?
Baccano [2d\]: O_o
Marsalkka [19k\]: s15 deaaad
shinobi33 [2d\]: what?!
meuns [2k\]: you are bad
Denniskutl [3d\]: w can live?
rapit [2k\]: isn t r18 necessary?
macgill [2k\]: why did't w choose  r12 
shinobi33 [2d\]: oh, white is aiming at r12
Denniskutl [3d\]: ok w lives
Orc [4d\]: white S17 is R18 in book?
meuns [2k\]: hehe
ZeroPoint [?\]: North Koreans don't have professional systems but they are believed to be equally strong as Chinese pros
avsdvsdv: w figthing on too many fronts
Rossk [-\]: everyone so quick to judge..
softwind [3k?\]: north koreans don't even participate in international tournaments zeropoint, you're just trolling right now
TeeSushi [3d\]: wmsg
TeeSushi [3d\]: @softwind
softwind [3k?\]: pro tourneys
Jadeite [?\]: ZeroPoint, why are you having this discussion in this game broadcast as opposed to the chat room?
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;B[pc]
;W[rf]
;B[qg]
;W[qb]
;B[pb]
;W[rb]C[golgo13 [12k\]: if my memory is not failing too badly, n korea had a world ama champion beofre s korea did
RunningFox [1d\]: i was wondering if R13 better than r16
Marsalkka [19k\]: sudden moves
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;B[jd]
;W[pj]C[ZeroPoint [?\]: I have read reports of Norrth Koreans travelling to china and having friendly games with Chines pro , and they win a lot
macgill [2k\]: the influence of the w group is amolst zero now!!
expat [4d?\]: good invasion for w
avsdvsdv: w still behind, not cathicng up at all
jleone [5k\]: not at all ..
shinobi33 [2d\]: white is aiming at the left black group
cccqqqq: NK never won world ama. 
shinobi33 [2d\]: but I don't now how can he kill it
Marsalkka [19k\]: what is that? black talking to mobile phone?
LugPaj [2d\]: left black is alive
just9x9 [-\]: NK will win soon with nuclear tesuji...
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;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[ph]C[Zeniching [6k\]: thats his fan
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;W[hc]C[Marsalkka [19k\]: ok :D
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;B[ic]C[LugPaj [2d\]: they play fast
Marsalkka [19k\]: sure do
TheGoose [2d\]: b making w overconcentrated
IGoofy [1d\]: hes calling his mom he will be home earlier
rjngmk: strange that wite still playing ^^
Acemi [?\]: what is left for white?
avsdvsdv: w corner also big
golife [1d\]: m4 and j9
golife [1d\]: sorry k9
jleone [5k\]: if w wins, he is really something ..
shinobi33 [2d\]: black has at least 80 points
cccqqqq: Korean journalist interview said these are second tier amateurs in S korea
Shadowrun [6k\]: the address link please
macgill [2k\]: but w never has the chance
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Dear Pungyeon,   Tnx for joining our Go-TV-channel!  Your password to login is: 9p1nenglb7  You can change this password when you complete your subscription.  ;-)  The EuroGoTV.com subscription team
egc2009gro: kim is returning to the board
avsdvsdv: ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oww
expat [4d?\]: o12?
ZeroPoint [?\]: the reason why I talked about NK players it to illustrate why Japanes pro have this much troble. as we see now from W 
just9x9 [-\]: lol
noned [2d\]: *hups*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :-(
Orc [4d\]: can I change the password before him? LOL
Shadowrun [6k\]: link please eurogo
MATb [2d\]: looks like w is winning
seishiro [6k\]: w can reduce b moyo
hanniibal [6k\]: black+25 p
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;W[ib]
;B[jb]
;W[hb]C[softwind [3k?\]: communism has nothing to do with the game these two are playing right now..your logic is horrible
golgo13 [12k\]: I think the blonde euro babe is tring2distract the korean guy  :0
meuns [2k\]: lol
shinobi33 [2d\]: black leads by 20 points at least
Coinche [5k\]: shut up with things not linking with the game please...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
shusaku1 [-\]: wrong shinobi, not more than 10 points
SpiderWeb [3d\]: even game so far
Korea4K [2d\]: L6 now
jleone [5k\]: another strange move ..what is the strategy of w ? why not moving around k12 ... ?
qgo [4k\]: did I hear someone say european pro's crumble in the middle-game?
avsdvsdv: b attack lower right w, build central moyo, game over
shinobi33 [2d\]: how strong r u, shusaku?!
Silvan [9k\]: the game looks kindof close to me right now
Marsalkka [19k\]: honinbooo
golife [1d\]: k9 very big
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;B[mi]C[jleone [5k\]: voila ..big move
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;W[kf]C[shinobi33 [2d\]: chaos
RunningFox [1d\]: hehe
Nemu91 [3k\]: too deep??
jleone [5k\]: that is disparate move ...
hanniibal [6k\]: h16 
TeeSushi [3d\]: should be fine
SpiderWeb [3d\]: who does a better job in mid area will decide the winner
ataraf [8k\]: shusaku1 about 8 p master
MatchFree [-\]: q7 group doesnt seem all that solid..
Silvan [9k\]: I never know what to do in positions like this
zyklop [1d\]: l14 looks good
qgo [4k\]: desparate or adreneline ?
expat [4d?\]: mhm, b 10 points ahead
leger [1d\]: i think it's within 10 points too
avsdvsdv: god, that annoying ovice... must be go yuan :D
expat [4d?\]: too late to change that i think :S
leger [1d\]: about 10 points for b
jim [6d\]: I bet on Catalin, he is not ahead now but he will won
seishiro [6k\]: yep
gabigo [9k?\]: sa speram
Marsalkka [19k\]: no way
zyklop [1d\]: n11 unclear
Marsalkka [19k\]: too late to wake up
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;B[hd]C[Suicide [-\]: Doesn't catalin play here?
avsdvsdv: w playing on the fact that b got too comfy and slack
Baccano [2d\]: sharp
calin [1d\]: with all respect, but low kyu comments are not relevant...
ZeroPoint [?\]: that is a wrong move , it seems
Ninjan [6k\]: calin is not relevant
calin [1d\]: also
avsdvsdv: haha
ataraf [8k\]: i bet on joon sang
roestvrij [2k\]: why is he looking at taranu all the time?
leger [1d\]: calin.. you're only 1d, like me, stay polite
Samowar [1d\]: h16 fine
avsdvsdv: he fancies him
golife [1d\]: w l18
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;W[ik]C[suaviento [6k\]: hehe...calin is funny
Ninjan [6k\]: everyone should ha the right to comment the game with their reflections
calin [1d\]: it would be great to have high dan's comments
Nemu91 [3k\]: did taranu loose a game already in this tournament???
shinobi33 [2d\]: eurobabe is so patient...
bolb [-\]: several
Larrave [3k\]: he lost 2
Baccano [2d\]: yep
Ninjan [6k\]: two games I think
RunningFox [1d\]: oh...
Korea4K [2d\]: F7 sente
Samowar [1d\]: l18 looks bad^^
Nemu91 [3k\]: thx
seishiro [6k\]: thats not true calin
avsdvsdv: nemu.. he lost to some french noname 5d :D
bolb [-\]: he's not noname
rapit [2k\]: thomas debarre
avsdvsdv: quite embarassing
just9x9 [-\]: taranu lost yes, for example to thomas debarre, the french wonderchild
Nemu91 [3k\]: lol, trop fort les français ^^
bolb [-\]: Thomas is strong
Samowar [1d\]: Golife, u sure that u can make life there?
Coinche [5k\]: I am not sure Catalin lost already... there is a lotta point on the board
DanOneHalf [4k\]: hey Geert Groenen
Tulkas [12k\]: fj sag mal was zum game^^
Korea4K [2d\]: F7 sente 
shinobi33 [2d\]: eurobabe is at least 40
ZeroPoint [?\]: how old is thomas debarre?
just9x9 [-\]: 15 maybe?
donzet [?\]: 16
egc2009gro: who is eurobabe
bolb [-\]: 16
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;B[fm]
;W[cn]C[zyklop [1d\]: b tried to win by fierca attack, this failed so he might loose now
golife [1d\]: where samowar?
Samowar [1d\]: how big is a move arround o12?
Samowar [1d\]: l18
zyklop [1d\]: fiece
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;B[hj]C[Samowar [1d\]: ,l18, Golife
shinobi33 [2d\]: she likes tennis, look at her arms
Rossk [-\]: how big was c6?
expat [4d?\]: getting C6 is a success!
xxxxxxx [5k?\]: euro-grandma maybe ...
golife [1d\]: sory   l17 is very good
Silvan [9k\]: haha
expat [4d?\]: at least 5 points i guess
Samowar [1d\]: agreed
Direct [4k\]: l6 is big
Samowar [1d\]: at least much better than l18:)
just9x9 [-\]: c6 was 12 points i'd say
Zeniching [6k\]: not following japanese rules?
golife [1d\]:  ı wrote wrongly
Marsalkka [19k\]: where did b go
Coinche [5k\]: nothing to care about it
Silvan [9k\]: they're using japanese
Majeste [10k\]: h10
shinobi33 [2d\]: eurobabe likes catalin
ZeroPoint [?\]: looks like some of W stones will drop dead
shinobi33 [2d\]: she stays just for him
avsdvsdv: who doesn't
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;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[kc]C[golife [1d\]: who is eurobabe
shinobi33 [2d\]: she's a fan
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;B[jc]
;W[he]
;B[id]C[zc3k [1k\]: w gotta more aji
]
;W[fd]C[Silvan [9k\]: b2 bomber
Marsalkka [19k\]: golife, that old blonde hag
Larrave [3k\]: hehe
Tulkas [12k\]: rude^^
avsdvsdv: b2 gote
Silvan [9k\]: clearly black will win now
Larrave [3k\]: b2 bomber will cruh l14
Larrave [3k\]: crush
Coinche [5k\]: no
zyklop [1d\]: b2 jet now, dangerous ^^
ZeroPoint [?\]: j14
losanios [2k\]: not clearly
IGoofy [1d\]: sum has stolen sth
TheGoose [2d\]: l14 in trouble
losanios [2k\]: w gonna win in yose
hanniibal [6k\]: j14 
expat [4d?\]: l14 is in trouble?
zima [3k\]: j13 
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;B[le]C[escada [4k\]: time?
Larrave [3k\]: bottom so big
avsdvsdv: pity for the stream eurob not 2 yrs younger :)
avsdvsdv: *20
golgo13 [12k\]: looks like helen mirren
avsdvsdv: catalin fine
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah, i know what this kibbits would be about if she was 20 yrs younger...
avsdvsdv: artem, what is your estimate?
Larrave [3k\]: yes^
Larrave [3k\]: artemXD
zyklop [1d\]: w seems ahead now
Pylon [2k\]: too sad artem didnt participate
shinobi33 [2d\]: I guess eurobabe's got her own viewers
LugPaj [2d\]: yeh
DanOneHalf [4k\]: 20, she is not that old!
Iodine [3d\]: b still ahead i think
KoReNJe [3d\]: w has 0% chance to win
expat [4d?\]: still b+10 i think
InABuzz [5k\]: n4 isnt huge?
avsdvsdv: there was an asiababe now :D
zyklop [1d\]: haha, horenje
IGoofy [1d\]: is more euromom than babe
sefil3k [2k\]: dude she was yanqi right
zyklop [1d\]: korenje
Silvan [9k\]: was she?
shinobi33 [2d\]: white m14
KoReNJe [3d\]: what
Silvan [9k\]: she looked young
avsdvsdv: yes
Tulkas [12k\]: lol she was like 14
avsdvsdv: teenage for sure
Zeniching [6k\]: m15 allows h14 ?
macgill [2k\]: i could sense her slpeey
LugPaj [2d\]: avsdvsdv:that was zhang yangi, 6d
KoReNJe [3d\]: p5 huge for b
jleone [5k\]: n4  might be sente for b
avsdvsdv: thank you lugpaj
Larrave [3k\]: black about 50 points?
donzet [?\]: white has to shake board to win
Silvan [9k\]: white might be ahead...
losanios [2k\]: white is ahead
MythRealm [1k\]: m 14
Tsumugari [4k\]: b2 bomber
InABuzz [5k\]: i count 52-53b
seishiro [6k\]: p12
VeryBadDay [1d\]: how is w ahead?
Silvan [9k\]: how can you count already?
Tlina [7k\]: did catalin win yesterday ?
avsdvsdv: yes tlina
softwind [3k?\]: w is not ahead..ppl are counting all center as w, which is incorrect way of doing it
Tlina [7k\]: thx
Larrave [3k\]: bottom is about 30 and top 20 i counted
InABuzz [5k\]: silvan
zyklop [1d\]: j14 seems sente now
InABuzz [5k\]: not that hard
sefil3k [2k\]: dude who is that blondie?
Samowar [1d\]: i think that's a very rough estimation, InABuzz
Larrave [3k\]: white got 25 top at best
LugPaj [2d\]: b+20
donzet [?\]: Black leads by 15pts
ZeroPoint [?\]: what is the web link of game records so far?
Marsalkka [19k\]: that blondie is the eurobabe
MATb [2d\]: bottom is 22,not 30
InABuzz [5k\]: ii count for center 2-3 points for w now, is that correct?
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;W[lf]C[losanios [2k\]: i was incorrect
golife [1d\]: o12
losanios [2k\]: the game is pretty even tho
Larrave [3k\]: why 22?
Marsalkka [19k\]: W running out of time soon?
Tsumugari [4k\]: n15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
MATb [2d\]: l3 is still open
expat [4d?\]: w may resign in 30 moves or so
ApplePie [5d\]: w is lost, that is for sure
zc3k [1k\]: J14
zyklop [1d\]: w will win
Silvan [9k\]: is it really that sure?
Larrave [3k\]: a yes l3 really big
InABuzz [5k\]: no
zyklop [1d\]: of course not
Samowar [1d\]: so, who will be the european champion?
InABuzz [5k\]: its not sure
Malysz [6d\]: m3
ApplePie [5d\]: i would wish, but no way from here
expat [4d?\]: it's pretty sure
TheGoose [2d\]: really, b shout cut at j14 or so
andg99 [?\]: Dinerchtein came to the board ,that means he has finished his game/
expat [4d?\]: these are not muppets playing
MatchFree [-\]: d17 stone looks really nice :)
macgill [2k\]: w is aiming at n11
LugPaj [2d\]: andg99: no
Larrave [3k\]: but 50 point is still good estimation for black or
R [1k\]: b n9 
ZeroPoint [?\]: j14 is still a crucil point
InABuzz [5k\]: w still has chances to make more cash, looks like b has a much more defensive yose
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Wj12 and o13
Denniskutl [3d\]: w needs to get at least 10 points form o7 area
]
;B[ji]C[golgo13 [12k\]: b ahead by less than 10pt
shinobi33 [2d\]: wow, cool move
InABuzz [5k\]: i count +20 still
golife [1d\]: d17 is look very effective.:)
MatchFree [-\]: w needs 2 watch out not getting killed in q7 area
Badduck [5d\]: b p5?
zyklop [1d\]: so many big endgame moves left
Denniskutl [3d\]: b has at least 55 point w has barely 45
golife [1d\]: big combat
MythRealm [1k\]: poor W , needs to do both reduction and protecting his group
Hoyuk [12k\]: is centre lost for w?
mof [3d?\]: everything is lostj
softwind [3k?\]: it's still in contention
mof [3d?\]: ust the funeral pyre left
donzet [?\]: white has many problems now
R [1k\]: can B sacrify the bomber for  k7 ?
LugPaj [2d\]: somebody farted right now?
MatchFree [-\]: B wont let k17 die..
golife [1d\]: pls be respectfull  for players
MythRealm [1k\]: party pooper
MatchFree [-\]: its not possible for white 2 kill it right now :)
Shadowrun [6k\]: time plz
shinobi33 [2d\]: black's play require a lot of calculation
golgo13 [12k\]: w ots = 12 LL + 21 UL + 6 UR =40
zyklop [1d\]: b´s upperside territory is vanishing when he prevents w getting points in the center
ZeroPoint [?\]: Q6 can still be cut and that will be deadly for W
shinobi33 [2d\]: white hasn't got much time left
avsdvsdv: how old is zhang yanji?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 21
MatchFree [-\]: k11 really is a impotant move for black..
avsdvsdv: tx
InABuzz [5k\]: 10LL
Coinche [5k\]: H10 ?
MythRealm [1k\]: who is that child on the screen?
InABuzz [5k\]: 18UL
MatchFree [-\]: seems quite a portion of k8 area will become lback
macgill [2k\]: his son
InABuzz [5k\]: 5 UL
InABuzz [5k\]: you count to much golgo
Pungyeon [1k?\]: lol at the clock shot, that was great
Shadowrun [6k\]: 18min vs 1h36
Silvan [9k\]: wow, black has all the time he wants for thinking and white has...none
InABuzz [5k\]: count sure points only
Coinche [5k\]: Kim will be soon on byo yomi :)
zc3k [1k\]: w hv more aji
MatchFree [-\]: only 18 min left for black
golgo13 [12k\]: b pts = 30 Lower side + 4 left + 23 
Pungyeon [1k?\]: damn, now the camera man is going rogue
zc3k [1k\]: i think b+ already
VvVvVvVvV [2k\]: actually moving camera :O
Silvan [9k\]: I don't care about that game
RunningFox [1d\]: c w next move...
Bembelbote [-\]: K11 looks pretty much like game over, no?
golife [1d\]: how is l18
InABuzz [5k\]: lower side 25
golgo13 [12k\]: HnG fan
InABuzz [5k\]: left side 2
avsdvsdv: m4 big
Arwenia [1d\]: I think that moyo of white is more fragile. B+R :)
Shadowrun [6k\]: black is waiting that w resigns
InABuzz [5k\]: 15 rest maybe
losanios [2k\]: oh no
jleone [5k\]: EuroTv, please, how is the time now ?
losanios [2k\]: white is losing
InABuzz [5k\]: w has much better yose
Shadowrun [6k\]: 16min vs 1h36
gabigo [9k?\]: daca pierde catalin si diner castiga ia diner titlu nu?
golife [1d\]: not yet
kenjiro43 [8k\]: White will win :)
Marsalkka [19k\]: no he wont
Marsalkka [19k\]: no way in hell
cccqqqq: w has to gamble the life of the q7 group
softwind [3k?\]: taranu said yose is his weakest point
KlerChazal [-\]: gabigo si
GocchiSama [2d\]: white is behind
Coinche [5k\]: but we are not yet in yose
mazboy008 [3k\]: whats yose?
KlerChazal [-\]: this is yose.
golgo13 [12k\]: w is behind but not hopelessly so
Silvan [9k\]: end game
xpolyplus [4k\]: o7  cut?
mazboy008 [3k\]: ok
Shadowrun [6k\]: black is  impatient
calin [1d\]: at my level this situation seems very complex
SpiderWeb [3d\]: b has a good chance to win
Luhmann: w isnt alex, bet catalin would resign if he thinks theres no way to win still
gabigo [9k?\]: it's still chuban i think
jleone [5k\]: w still has a chance to win ..
Direct [4k\]: yes
Luhmann: who knowa
Zeniching [6k\]: white has been behind for a long time though
Korea4K [2d\]: N14 really sleeping move. the pro expected for answer
jleone [5k\]: go catalin !
sefil3k [2k\]: how about w n5?
Shadowrun [6k\]: w is counting the whole yose moves now
Emperor40k [3d\]: hi, can the camera show board 1 players again for a little change please? ^^
Korea4K [2d\]: M14
Korea4K [2d\]: sorry
zc3k [1k\]: b gootta a n b
SpiderWeb [3d\]: less than 5% for w to win
Luhmann: n5 huge but gote
Ryoji [1k\]: can we see board 1 in the stream please?
Shadowrun [6k\]: board 1 isnt interesting for the european championship
sefil3k [2k\]: n5 not gote imho... after w n5 w has l3
jleone [5k\]: i would say 25% for w
losanios [2k\]: id say 11%
Ryoji [1k\]: thanks
Direct [4k\]: 50%
Luhmann: ok but if b awsners its ajikeshi
Shadowrun [6k\]: both do the smell attack tesuji
Luhmann: cause w wanna l3 it seems?
Zeniching [6k\]: if white manages to keep all groups alve then he would win
leger [1d\]: 5% chance to win for w, according to me
cccqqqq: L18 just go for broke
sefil3k [2k\]: w n5 also helps w n10 
Silvan [9k\]: yay, for probabilities that are made up
Malysz [6d\]: how about L11?
MythRealm [1k\]: i would try n 15
Luhmann: l11?
mof [3d?\]: jä goferbrok is the right attitude
golgo13 [12k\]: what is the thing next to sink?
Venomous [?\]: the guys who wins this game will be seeded as?
zc3k [1k\]:  b no hole so oOo
Marsalkka [19k\]: titanic?
leger [1d\]: n15 maybe
Luhmann: malysz: n5 ajikeshi or?
SpiderWeb [3d\]: there is no more place to mess up for w
avsdvsdv: so... w rip a new one :D
golife [1d\]: w can win
sefil3k [2k\]: this game is b's imho
zc3k [1k\]: cute korean
golife [1d\]: w need m8 territory and sente
jleone [5k\]: the next move is decisive ..w must find a tesuji sequence to close the center in sente
Malysz [6d\]: if B connect stones K11 and N11 - it will be "cutting wall" - white will loose. This strategy have to be spoiled
jleone [5k\]: go Catalin !
cbus [15k\]: eurogotv, great angle on the camera!
SpiderWeb [3d\]: I bet on b
Nemu91 [3k\]: same
Luhmann: maybe
golife [1d\]: how is L11
Luhmann: looks strange
Luhmann: dunno
mof [3d?\]: I think for mere humans it is not impossible for w, but it has to be something severe
cccqqqq: L18 and hope b respond K19 :))
mof [3d?\]: with perfect play I do not think white has a chance as it is
mof [3d?\]: but who knows
Korea4K [2d\]: L11 is not good w cant b capture
leger [1d\]: jleone.. forget it, w is not trying to close center in sente
Coinche [5k\]: Kim will lost by time ? I thought he's roughly in byo yomi
Luhmann: simple n15, id do
Marsalkka [19k\]: Kim has like 1h20mins?
Marsalkka [19k\]: how can he lose by time? huh?
softwind [3k?\]: coinche prob saw that as 1 min 20 sec
jleone [5k\]: leger, what do u mean ? just say it ..
Tulkas [12k\]: b has more time
Rossk [-\]: .
donzet [?\]: i think somethink is missing on eurogotv broadcast
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what?
Luhmann: l3 now?
Luhmann: have you discussed l3 allready?
Korea4K [2d\]: problem is...  M14 bring nothing
donzet [?\]: we need some exhibisionist squad making events
Coinche [5k\]: Fred, both players are gone I think
ilonaellen [8k\]: donzet: different board
Tulkas [12k\]: i think w is running out of time
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, i hired one, but got arrested before entering the room
Luhmann: what about l3?
donzet [?\]: girls kissing camera , i love eurogotv teeshirt
Mem0r3x [1k\]: What about m16?
avsdvsdv: i want to see zhang yanji again
pendulum [3k\]: eurogo how much time do the players have left?
Badduck [5d\]: w resigned?
donzet [?\]: theater improvisation etc
milenium01 [3k\]: time?
mof [3d?\]: they have good ales there around, maybe he went for a trappist?
seishiro [6k\]: big time difference right there
Tulkas [12k\]: lol b over 1 hour w 5 min
Coinche [5k\]: Badduck ? why should white resign ?
just9x9 [-\]: oh, w has 1h36min while b has 0h5min ?
softwind [3k?\]: yes
just9x9 [-\]: sry, other way round
softwind [3k?\]: except switch that
Tulkas [12k\]: other was 
Marsalkka [19k\]: what
Silvan [9k\]: they get one minute byoyomis
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah, catalin is out of time
daladim [1k\]: what is the byo yomi ?
just9x9 [-\]: 1min/move
porcinet [1d\]: 1 min
daladim [1k\]: ok
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;W[if]C[mof [3d?\]: yay
mof [3d?\]: a move
DanOneHalf [4k\]: she s still standing
Luhmann: ui
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah, shile black could just go get a cup of coffee
Marsalkka [19k\]: while*
TheGoose [2d\]: so painful
Korea4K [2d\]: who is she?
Badduck [5d\]: 1 € on p5
sefil3k [2k\]: isnt this a gote move?
Tulkas [12k\]: w center is gone now or not?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very strong; captures the bomber or k and n11
Luhmann: i bet j14 has a plan badduck
Luhmann: not sure about tenuki
LugPaj [2d\]: EuroGoTV1 : never
softwind [3k?\]: j14 was mutual good point
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
zyklop [1d\]: j14 threatens l18
Shadowrun [6k\]: now b is thinking ^^
golgo13 [12k\]: w +8 with that move
TheGoose [2d\]: "how can i attack w's group'
sefil3k [2k\]: w j10 is fierce?
qgo [4k\]: EuroGo can you tell me when Brouwer Debarre is ended ?
Ryoji [1k\]: so many people moving around
expat [4d?\]: b is stroking a non-existent beard
Korea4K [2d\]: for me L6 is next move
Luhmann: for me j15 is soo sente
Luhmann: j14
massoud [2d\]: o6?
Luhmann: n15
cccqqqq: i think k14 is better than j14
LugPaj [2d\]: m4
poukram [1d\]: b played tenuki ??
Luhmann: at least b MUST awnser or k18 dead imo
Shadowrun [6k\]: i hope catalin wins - black s impatient behaviour is too arrogant
xxxxxxx [5k?\]: black just played, where's his move ?!
gabigo [9k?\]: why isn't m4 move shown on the board?
jleone [5k\]: where the black played .. ? is the tourn of w now, EuroTV are u there ?
Luhmann: n15!
avsdvsdv: yes, b too confident
Luhmann: honte
LeoDorst2: B played M4: eurogotv at lunch?
cccqqqq: b k15 sente, then attack bottom
cadaver [1k\]: he played m4
porcinet [1d\]: Joon Sang Kim  is absolutely not arrogant
gabigo [9k?\]: mayebe eurogotv took a brake
Shadowrun [6k\]: confident is ok but he is arrogant
avsdvsdv: how so?
porcinet [1d\]: no
R [1k\]: k18 costs 20-25 points, not very much
Santigre [2k\]: did catalin beat alex yesterday?
porcinet [1d\]: you don't know him
donzet [?\]: popic happy winner
avsdvsdv: pop with a beer, he won his game :D
Shadowrun [6k\]: just watch him 
Renju [-\]: he butchered alex
Luhmann: not very much??
Kurotsu [1k\]: tell us 6k
Luhmann: both about 50 so 25 is very much
ilonaellen [8k\]: reading the bulletin?
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;B[lp]
;W[mo]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: wow that is really arrogant
R [1k\]: :)
golife [1d\]: l6
globax [4d\]: b leads
Pungyeon [1k?\]: lololololol
TheGoose [2d\]: m4 feels strange
Shadowrun [6k\]: he is very strong but he needs to learn how to behave
expat [4d?\]: breaking news
globax [4d\]: n15 enough
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Luhmann: l6  oeplay
mof [3d?\]: about realia, it says catalin is 5p. Where did they come from?
Denniskutl [3d\]: you have improved your video quality a lot, eurogotv congrats.
Luhmann: n15
ZeroPoint [?\]: Q6 still can be cut, and that may be the last bone of contention
avsdvsdv: mof, catalin is romanian
Badduck [5d\]: p5
jleone [5k\]: i can't undersant whay w answer to this ..we can atack the upper side 
Crowno [10k\]: time for catalin?
softwind [3k?\]: this is more urgent jleone
Korea4K [2d\]: ach so.. M7 sente to cut on Q6
avsdvsdv: jleone, w note alive yet :)
Tulkas [12k\]: eurogotv was always this good eurogotv us was bad
Luhmann: cause if b n5 w has a weak group
gabigo [9k?\]: is it byo-yomi yet?
gabigo [9k?\]: for catalin
jleone [5k\]: so what, it can make an exchange
avsdvsdv: s3 really burning now
jleone [5k\]: in any case he can win the game like that
jleone [5k\]: is far behind
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, i started with the same quality as eurogotv-us
Korea4K [2d\]: now M7
avsdvsdv: but top bigger
LugPaj [2d\]: funny how b suddenly looked at the bomber and said hu?
Luhmann: l18 is just to big now to allow ithink
MythRealm [1k\]: k9?
Marsalkka [19k\]: if he exceeds byo-yomi, he will lose, right?
macgill [2k\]: s3
Luhmann: k9 soo small
Luhmann: n15 or p5
massilia [1d\]: m7
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;B[mk]C[Luhmann: o
shusaku1 [-\]: EuroGoTV the time plz
Luhmann: nice
Denniskutl [3d\]: i dont remember when exactly but about 2 years ago, picture didnt seem that precise i remember
Korea4K [2d\]: b will cut on Q6
Shadowrun [6k\]: w hasnt 2 eyes...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.29  w 0.01
avsdvsdv: m3?
shusaku1 [-\]: thanks
porcinet [1d\]: P6 next b move
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;W[po]C[porcinet [1d\]: ah no
ZeroPoint [?\]: oh dear
massoud [2d\]: w's getting crushed ^_^
kane955 [4k\]: white only has a min left?
porcinet [1d\]: MM6
ZeroPoint [?\]: last chance gone
avsdvsdv: j2 still adji
kenjiro43 [8k\]: nope massoud
expat [4d?\]: if white lives and black plays n15 it's resign time
Marsalkka [19k\]: byo-yomi
sefil3k [2k\]: b +5-10 pts
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;B[lo]
;W[mm]C[LugPaj [2d\]: b+ way more
jleone [5k\]: no more adji, and in sente ...great
R [1k\]: so fast answer...
Luhmann: still aji
jleone [5k\]: small aji !
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w 1 second left
jleone [5k\]: just nothing ..
Marsalkka [19k\]: referee :D
zyklop [1d\]: so much aji 
Luhmann: :D
avsdvsdv: alol@referee :)
donGoku [5k\]: who is ahead?
Silvan [9k\]: black
porcinet [1d\]: Joon Sang Kim 
donGoku [5k\]: thx
avsdvsdv: referee looks out of breath :)
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;B[ln]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: trferree is cute
jleone [5k\]: ar u kidding , what big aji there ?
]
;W[lm]C[ilonaellen [8k\]: big belly gone
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;B[me]C[Luhmann: n15
donGoku [5k\]: yesterday BBW kicked his 3. pro opponent-i think this is sensation!
expat [4d?\]: resign
Luhmann: ^game over
Luhmann: expat again :P
jleone [5k\]: w is losing points, and this move put the end of the game 
avsdvsdv: yes, bbw amazing
expat [4d?\]: :)
Coinche [5k\]: not sure
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i hope EuroGoTV-US pressed the record button
massoud [2d\]: n14 played
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;W[mf]C[jleone [5k\]: w could at least to try atack the upper side ...
avsdvsdv: eurogo, why?
BenSenTen [?\]: did bbw beat tartrate yesterday?
Luhmann: w can read jileone
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: otherwise i cannot see the end as i fell alseep watching the last game
jleone [5k\]: w 20 points behind ?
donGoku [5k\]: EGTV,where can i found Andy's Ing games on KGS?
just9x9 [-\]: no ben
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: USGO1 account
porcinet [1d\]: w's gonna cut  with K10
Coinche [5k\]: Why J10 can be bad for white
donGoku [5k\]: there is an arcivement?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
donGoku [5k\]: ok,thx
Luhmann: k10 nice idea!
BenSenTen [?\]: thx, just, that what i saw yesterday, bbw lost to tartrate
losanios [2k\]: who is bbw
BenSenTen [?\]: big beautiful women
avsdvsdv: bbw is KGS nr.1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bbw great player
iTengen [3k\]: bbw > tartrate
losanios [2k\]: whats his account name?
Marsalkka [19k\]: bbw?
globax [4d\]: big bad wolf, 9d since co
IGoofy [1d\]: the ref has eaten a football at once 
Marsalkka [19k\]: who is that?
Luhmann: big bad woolf?
Marsalkka [19k\]: ok
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;B[hh]
;W[ne]C[Luhmann: b saw the cut :P (of course)
sefil3k [2k\]: dude who is that red girl?
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;B[ke]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: a girl who left
avsdvsdv: red shirt babe watching eurobabe
kenjiro43 [8k\]: :D
losanios [2k\]: tartrate is better
AyoLogie: can i have link for the video ?
kenjiro43 [8k\]: who is tartrate please
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Luhmann: captain would m3
daladim [1k\]: lol
KnifeEye [7k\]: tartrate old kgs legend
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;W[oh]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: OK
AyoLogie: thanks
just9x9 [-\]: captain can read ladders luhmann
Kurotsu [1k\]: he was like Sai
Marsalkka [19k\]: black to cut?
kenjiro43 [8k\]: is tartrate KGS nick?
GocchiSama [2d\]: white make no points!
Kurotsu [1k\]: xD
IGoofy [1d\]: pop is so good because he can always watching the games
XY0908 [-\]: I thought Catalin was a lady until this morning... Thanksto EuroGoTV.
TheGoose [2d\]: w plays dame all the time
just9x9 [-\]: lol xy
Coinche [5k\]: M10 !
Marsalkka [19k\]: xy, me too!
Luhmann: captainm3 and there is a chance of 20% r3 would die
LugPaj [2d\]: He is a lady.
avsdvsdv: is not
losanios [2k\]: is he?
Marsalkka [19k\]: he is a she?
Marsalkka [19k\]: omg
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a ladykiller
avsdvsdv: :)
Marsalkka [19k\]: didnt see that coming
ZeroPoint [?\]: O14 cut seems the best move
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah
XY0908 [-\]: I wasn't joking and I wasn't trying to make a fun of him. Sorry.
avsdvsdv: who would you vite for Miss EGC? and mr. EGC?
Luhmann: o14 dosnt work
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;B[nf]C[Luhmann: or?
Luhmann: lol
ZeroPoint [?\]: yep
just9x9 [-\]: i know xy
ZeroPoint [?\]: good boy
Marsalkka [19k\]: XY, i thought so too. The name Catalin somehow sound like a lady
Luhmann: catalin sounds smart to me
sefil3k [2k\]: b + 102.5 :P
jleone [5k\]: no, catalina is for lady 
avsdvsdv: btw taranu = peasant :)
LionelLee [7k\]: he is the 1st european pro if im ot wrong
kenjiro43 [8k\]: in Romania Catalin is man name
losanios [2k\]: he looks male to me
LionelLee [7k\]: from romania
Luhmann: catalina was a man! dude
Luhmann: roman empire
Silvan [9k\]: catalin seems like caitlin
Lion [2d\]: who lead
Lion [2d\]: ?
LionelLee [7k\]: i knew he is male... senseilibrary has his pic
jleone [5k\]: was, but a nick name is not a name
Marsalkka [19k\]: silvan, true
losanios [2k\]: no wonder she is losing
donGoku [5k\]: Katalin in Hungary woman
Godaisuki [1k\]: males play better go =/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+T
Luhmann: thats why romanian sounds like italian language
Godaisuki [1k\]: okay I am being a sexist
Lion [2d\]: hoo5
Godaisuki [1k\]: what @@? B+T?????
sefil3k [2k\]: what?
Badduck [5d\]: w doing well
sefil3k [2k\]: time
Godaisuki [1k\]: -.-
Godaisuki [1k\]: ...............
Badduck [5d\]: w resigned now?
donGoku [5k\]: Romania has new latin language
iTengen [3k\]: romanian is a romance language, 
avsdvsdv: lol
Godaisuki [1k\]: Eurogo are you serious?
sefil3k [2k\]: resigned?
shinobi33 [2d\]: catalin resigned
xxxxxxx [5k?\]: white resigned
Godaisuki [1k\]: >_<
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+T
Ryoji [1k\]: what is going on?
Shadowrun [6k\]: resigned or time?
Godaisuki [1k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: time
donGoku [5k\]: hehe
xxxxxxx [5k?\]: ah, time
Godaisuki [1k\]: black won on time
Godaisuki [1k\]: =/
kenjiro43 [8k\]: Man-Time
zyklop [1d\]: (:
sefil3k [2k\]: lost by time?
Godaisuki [1k\]: nice way to say I could have won the game
Ryoji [1k\]: how is that possible?
avsdvsdv: was osing anyway
Badduck [5d\]: very g g for b
softwind [3k?\]: b was ahead
Luhmann: wow!!
IGoofy [1d\]: b shoul dhave add time
XY0908 [-\]: So many pros got beaten by amatuers this year.
Luhmann: alex won euogotv?
Luhmann: pls
DevilFish [4k?\]: not yet
Godaisuki [1k\]: eurogotv is not a participant
queenofgo [4k\]: refree coming:)
Godaisuki [1k\]: =/
Luhmann: so if alex wins hes ahead again right?
Luhmann: or joon ahead?
LionelLee [7k\]: so who won?
avsdvsdv: referee: all in order, carry on\\
sefil3k [2k\]: 5p looks frustrated
LionelLee [7k\]: icic B
Godaisuki [1k\]: -.-
wolokom [5k\]: who is ahead?
expat [4d?\]: catalin looking unhappy :S
Ryoji [1k\]: why does he lose on time?
Godaisuki [1k\]: so what happened?
lepeksiy [-\]: now if alex wins he will be european champion
Luhmann: really? oO
Marsalkka [19k\]: wtf white is a pro?
Ryoji [1k\]: haha harry ^^
Luhmann: i hoped for catalin after that stupid game yesterday:(
ZeroPoint [?\]: euro pros who became pro in Japan should hand back their pro title, as they prove to be worthless
donzet [?\]: go javier go
Porkypine [8k\]: If kim wins will he be the european champion? :O
Sakeus [18k\]: loool
avsdvsdv: kim just won
Sakeus [18k\]: hah
Marsalkka [19k\]: yeah he just won
Porkypine [8k\]: oh
Porkypine [8k\]: sweet
Marsalkka [19k\]: gg
Sakeus [18k\]: best european will be european champion :)
Luhmann: high level game
Godaisuki [1k\]: how to lose on time lol @@
Sakeus [18k\]: korean cant be :)
XY0908 [-\]: Catlin forgot to put back the cover of the bowl.
sheery [?\]: ZeroPoint, do you realize that Catalin focuses more on teaching than competetive tournament games?
avsdvsdv: asia babe os back \\o/
XY0908 [-\]: It's amazing that both players didn't shake hands nor smiled after the game.
IGoofy [1d\]: finally a good match to see
globax [4d\]: thx eurogo tv1
ZeroPoint [?\]: sheery, good teacher doesn;t need a bogus pro title
ZeroPoint [?\]: just need to be humble and honest
sheery [?\]: Catalin was 5p in Japan and played quite well in pro tournaments
Ninjan [6k\]: did white loose?
Shadowrun [6k\]: XY - the arogant attitude of kim - I wouldnt shake his hand neither
ZeroPoint [?\]: there are so many weak japanese pros who should not be called pros in the first place
Sakeus [18k\]: asia dont shake hand :)
macgill [2k\]: no
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