(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 10 board 4]PW[Alexandre Dinerchtein]PB[Javier-Aleksi Savolainen]WR[3p]BR[4d]DT[2009-08-08]EV[main]RO[10]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[RU]BT[FI]US[kamyszyn]C[Suola [7k\]: meh, go finland
dxxd [-\]: \\o/ assuu!!
xDragon [15k\]: i like w here. komi ftw
noned [2d\]: Go Javier!!!
pafy [3k\]: go Javier
pafy [3k\]: nu ne dezamagi
HandA [1k\]: Not much trouble for Alex
noned [2d\]: b already beat 2x 6dan
pafy [3k\]: but alex is 3p
SNSD [3d\]: b gonna win :)
Lacrimosa [1d\]: b beat a chinese 6d, benjamin teuber and antoine fenech
pafy [3k\]: hai catalin
Lacrimosa [1d\]: one place below ilya now
Lacrimosa [1d\]: b spent a year studying go in korea
adoreme [-\]: Javier should be ranking at about 6dan :)
pafy [3k\]: go go go black
pafy [3k\]: catalin will be champion
svrcd [?\]: go Alex!
dxxd [-\]: still, even if b were 6d...w heavily favorited
dxxd [-\]: but sure we all hope the best :)
svrcd [?\]: if Alex win and Catalin lose then Alex will be champoin)
ColorCoded: it will be all more sweat when b wins and steals even more GoR
SNSD [3d\]: when this starts
Akamaru [1k\]: how did sweat get into the picture?
magners [2k\]: sweet :|
]
;B[qd]C[SNSD [3d\]: yay
]
;W[pp]
;B[dq]C[HandA [1k\]: This is the final round right? Alex lost 3 games already and there's one guy who has lost only 1 game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
]
;W[cc]
;B[co]C[HandA [1k\]: How is Javier's chance for 1st place if he wins this game?
]
;W[oc]C[svrcd [?\]: no
TeeSushi [3d\]: zero chance
ligeti [1k\]: no chance, just a great opportunity for a young player to play against pro in tournament setting :)
svrcd [?\]: see table http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
MaxMakinen [2k\]: Javier didn't even start in the supergroup, so ofcourse he has no chance to finnish on the top
snowman [-\]: so unfair
MaxMakinen [2k\]: how come we didn't see snowman this year at  the egc?
Fredrik [-\]: "finnish on the top" ^^
MaxMakinen [2k\]: *g*
ligeti [1k\]: its melting hot in holland? :)
ColorCoded: this all seems pretty screwed up to me... how exactly is turnament winner decided? number of wins? mcmahon score?
snowman [-\]: our family decided for sicily instead of holland...
MaxMakinen [2k\]: sicily sounds like a good choise aswell :)
snowman [-\]: and i trust assu to do his job
ligeti [1k\]: colorcoded, mms + sos and sodos ranking criteria
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sosos not sodos
ligeti [1k\]: ah sorry
]
;B[md]C[snowman [-\]: if assu wins, catalin will probably win the title
snowman [-\]: if dinerchtein wins, catalin needs to his game too
snowman [-\]: win
SirEttin [2d?\]: B will be 4p if he wins this one?
noned [2d\]: no doubt
]
;W[oe]C[zyklop [1d\]: no
snowman [-\]: n16 was a new move in the whole board context :)
]
;B[qg]C[magners [2k\]: there's a kgs plus lesson "New moves, played on European Go Congress" coming in 22.8. by breakfast. assu wants to be quoted :)
dxxd [-\]: this looks funny somehow
snowman [-\]: wider hasami is normal
SirEttin [2d?\]: even wider?
jim [6d\]: did black play on KGS?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Assu
snowman [-\]: meaning m16 or l17 instead of n16
MaxMakinen [2k\]: yes, some years ago i think with the papirkutya account
]
;W[pf]C[snowman [-\]: a year ago, max
Juippi [1d\]: w looking for a place to resign now
MaxMakinen [2k\]: ok
silveret [?\]: This isn't being broadcast live, is it?
MaxMakinen [2k\]: yes, it is
snowman [-\]: this is a great day for finland, assu will do his best and we'll see how far it will take him
silveret [?\]: ...I mean, video? I can't find it.
MaxMakinen [2k\]: aah, don't know about video
magners [2k\]: snowman, so... guesses on the number of moves before resign?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: video only 2nd board
silveret [?\]: Oh. Too bad...
Lacrimosa [1d\]: yes, assu is so handsome
gospiller [9k?\]: lol
silveret [?\]: assu?
snowman [-\]: damn, dinerchtein knows this joseki
Lacrimosa [1d\]: b
snowman [-\]: pardon my language
snowman [-\]: the next six moves should be automatic
R [1k\]: dinerchtein knows all joseki, he doesn't?
veteran [1d\]: looks like B has more than one response
zyklop [1d\]: all ?
R [1k\]: he is pro, and he comments pro games a lot
veteran [1d\]: r14 looks natural
snowman [-\]: the past and the future :)
TeeSushi [3d\]: i found q14 in no game record so far
dxxd [-\]: the game pace is similar to geert vs alexandre -_-
veteran [1d\]: s12 might be possible
snowman [-\]: q14 is quite recent
]
;B[qf]
;W[qc]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: i found 1 rec with b+r
snowman [-\]: q14 has guaranteed a win in all six games i've got in the database :)
TeeSushi [3d\]: ^^
TeeSushi [3d\]: i only checked eidogo
]
;B[jc]C[snowman [-\]: another new move
magners [2k\]: assu is creative?
snowman [-\]: he's refuting the old theory
]
;W[rd]C[Werfeus [5d\]: tapa se
rjngmk: it will be fast game...
Muscadet [?\]: this is a large corner for w
snowman [-\]: white appreciates the profit, for sure
Mukti [4d\]: This feels awful for black...
Mukti [4d\]: K17 seems inconsistent with his tough pincer before
Dogen [5k\]: Q17?
Dogen [5k\]: no, sorry, Q16
]
;B[qe]C[Dogen [5k\]: oh, B is just a 4d...
Dogen [5k\]: he's going to get pummled
snowman [-\]: yeah, he didn't find your q16
Dogen [5k\]: lol
Dogen [5k\]: now Q16, then P16?
Dogen [5k\]: take the outside?
Dogen [5k\]: hoping Alex can't develop those two stones...
ww [?\]: we can call him a special 4d, getting this far
snowman [-\]: a rating-challenged 4 dan
Mukti [4d\]: Tough decision, how to defend now...maybe O16 - even though it feels slightly odd...
Mukti [4d\]: P16* i mean, sorry
rjngmk: I like q17 but I'm weak ^^
R [1k\]: w have to fix shape somehow: q17 or o18 
]
;W[pc]C[R [1k\]: :)
]
;B[qj]C[SirEttin [2d?\]: are they playing 5-in-a-row
]
;W[iq]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: How many tournament games Alex actually won out of how many?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 6/9
PAUCHOK [?\]: tx
]
;B[gq]C[Muscadet [?\]: g3 looks very small in scale. B seems to have too much respect.
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;W[nq]C[ww [?\]: how does w play if b plays d16
Dogen [5k\]: the right direction is to play D17, no?
ww [?\]: i guess so
Fredrik [-\]: g3 is very big
ww [?\]: and b would not get very useful wall ?
R [1k\]: b will not play d16 :)
Fredrik [-\]: but the upperright corner seems too good for w
Dogen [5k\]: D15 seems better
snowman [-\]: i wonder if dinerchtein ever plays d16 kind of move
Dogen [5k\]: B can't do much on the top, he needs to hope to make territory on the left
snowman [-\]: about assu, he might
noned [2d\]: d11?
minismurf [-\]: Dinerschtein commented several times on his site that D16 gives white too much territory
Fredrik [-\]: d16 looks wrong
Fredrik [-\]: maybe c14
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;B[ce]C[minismurf [-\]: Alexandre is pretty good at this kind of game
Fredrik [-\]: c15 feels too close, very easy for w to invade the leftside
Fredrik [-\]: then feels b wont have enough
]
;W[fc]
;B[ch]C[R [1k\]: very low game (the third line)
Wirtuoosi [3d\]: left side feels too low
Fredrik [-\]: yes
snowman [-\]: c15 is possible though, given b k17
]
;W[mb]C[Fredrik [-\]: isnt R5 bigger than N18?
Fredrik [-\]: maybe Dinerchtein felt the challange by B also playing low positions
Fredrik [-\]: challenge*
R [1k\]: w doesn't show any respect to b's ideas in fuseki
]
;B[hc]
;W[ql]C[Dogen [5k\]: lol... why should he?
hylie [3d\]: snowman, he assu lost to three 4 dans in the weekend tournament.
snowman [-\]: ah, i didn't know that
Fredrik [-\]: maybe he was hangover
Fredrik [-\]: :)
hylie [3d\]: take look at the detailed results I posted on suomigo-wiki
magners [2k\]: what's the time settings in weekend tourney?
hylie [3d\]: one hour
hylie [3d\]: class A tournament
hylie [3d\]: looks bad for him
dxxd [-\]: no matter what he played in the weekend if main goes this well
zima [3k\]: d17 , d9 or p11 
hylie [3d\]: if he loses this, he's done just barely good enough for me to recommend his promotion to 5 dan.
snowman [-\]: what is wiki?
hylie [3d\]: the last time you promoted someone only based on the main tournament, that player played one stone weaker for two years.
Kalmah [-\]: well assu is definitely atleast 5d level 
snowman [-\]: i have seen funnier dan promotions recently, hylie
hylie [3d\]: sure, but 5 dan is 5 dan.
Onmyoji [2d\]: w win
snowman [-\]: don't take it too hard, but i ignore you in this matter
hylie [3d\]: I wouldn't have expected anything else from you. 
Fredrik [-\]: maybe S6?
Juippi [1d\]: get a room
dxxd [-\]: :) lovely
Kalmah [-\]: :P
magners [2k\]: just a regular way to get along among dear finns
]
;B[fe]C[R [1k\]: price of tenuki...
hylie [3d\]: Anyway, the evidence as a whole supports Assu's promotion, IMO, as I slightly emphasize the main tournament.
Fredrik [-\]: we dont care
Onmyoji [2d\]: wwho is assu
ColorCoded: black
hylie [3d\]: Fredrik, you like to play an undgraded punk 4 dan Assu? :)
Fredrik [-\]: Assu should be 5 dan, but this has nothing to do with the game
hylie [3d\]: anyway, this fuseki looks alright for black
R [1k\]: after B's move :)
hylie [3d\]: heh
hylie [3d\]: what do you think b should do with the group on the right?
hylie [3d\]: before white does
Fredrik [-\]: i think S6 looks funny, as mentioned earlier :)
Onmyoji [2d\]: if b wins he will be promoted to pro?
ColorCoded: yes, and worshipped
hylie [3d\]: you mean it looks fun?
ColorCoded: golden statue will be build in helsinki
snowman [-\]: it looks even game on the board and komi might be too much for black
Dogen [5k\]: can B play S4 on the right and get away with it?
snowman [-\]: but personally i wouldn't know who'll win
snowman [-\]: given anonymous players...
hylie [3d\]: let's hope its assu
]
;W[dd]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: 4d cant beat pro or he should be promoted to pro
ligeti [1k\]: happens all the time in korea :)
hylie [3d\]: you gonna pay his salary?
]
;B[de]C[hylie [3d\]: when do you think white shall attack the black group on the right?
Onmyoji [2d\]: what salary
ColorCoded: if everyone who
hylie [3d\]: pro's get paid, you know-
ColorCoded: whos won against a pro would be pro, there would be many amateurs left soon
zima [3k\]: i think tenuki better
Onmyoji [2d\]: he can teach to make money
Onmyoji [2d\]: or win tournaments
zima [3k\]: d15 seems passive
Juippi [1d\]: now w just needs to invade deep and die
zima [3k\]: hmm..
]
;W[gd]C[snowman [-\]: yeah, something big is going to happen :)
globax [4d\]: d6 enough?
ftroiset [2d\]: h14
IgorR [2d\]: B5 enough 
snowman [-\]: f8, like yoda would play
]
;B[he]C[IgorR [2d\]: 3 stouns a top good target for w
R [1k\]: h15 isn't shape here
ftroiset [2d\]: h14 was usual
R [1k\]: h14 was usual, j15 was possible, but h15 ...
IgorR [2d\]: may be J14 better  
ftroiset [2d\]: no, h15 is ok too
ligeti [1k\]: its hard to judge these players' moves based on heuristics
IgorR [2d\]: Alex like a profit ):
]
;W[io]
;B[gn]C[ligeti [1k\]: seems to become a nitty gritty moyo game
Kantid [4k\]: it's going to be interesting
Onmyoji [2d\]: kill
Gresil [-\]: they're already packing their parachutes
gospiller [9k?\]: f 10 maybe :)
snowman [-\]: guerilla time
zima [3k\]: f10 seems deep
R [1k\]: j7 and p8 after
ligeti [1k\]: c6 probe and then something higher on the c-line?
snowman [-\]: dinerchtein surely remembers yesterday's invasion
R [1k\]: invasion for weak, scared players ;)
Kantid [4k\]: bo killing, no invading. make love - no war... peacefull go
R [1k\]: fearless man plays j7 :))
]
;W[cn]C[hylie [3d\]: fearless leader
hylie [3d\]: invading w's framework will be difficult for b as b has a weak group on the right.
ligeti [1k\]: hey i called it
Uberdude [5d?\]: c8 is all out move
ftroiset [2d\]: c8
Werfeus [5d\]: j7 is all out move
]
;B[cl]C[ftroiset [2d\]: he he
ftroiset [2d\]: if alex has trouble enough hezre , it could be the chance  b need
Onmyoji [2d\]: kill
ftroiset [2d\]: of course, but at what price ?
Onmyoji [2d\]: kill
expat [4d?\]: hard to kill he?
]
;W[go]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: must be a strong 4d, if he's on board 4
expat [4d?\]: it's a lucky draw for alex compared to catalin's draw
ftroiset [2d\]: anyway, black has no time to kill
]
;B[fo]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: don't say that yet
]
;W[fn]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: finnish 4d
expat [4d?\]: well, he's the strongest 4d in the tournament
Warfreak2 [5d\]: isn't catalin ahead of dinerchtein anyway?
expat [4d?\]: yes but they'll be equal if he wins
ftroiset [2d\]: as catalin beat dineschtein...
expat [4d?\]: and dinerchtein will win on SOS i think
Dogen [5k\]: F4
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's not lucky draw, though, since catalin is doing better of course he will get a stronger opponent
hylie [3d\]: Assu studied baduk at myongyi university for a year, he returned recently.
ftroiset [2d\]: h4 is possibble
magners [2k\]: baduk, also known as go
Werfeus [5d\]: Yu chang-hyok baduk school, not myongji
hylie [3d\]: assu aka javier-aleksi savolainen
Werfeus [5d\]: and no university
hylie [3d\]: good to know.
expat [4d?\]: g7
macgill [2k\]:  b is werid
ftroiset [2d\]: weird??
Onmyoji [2d\]: kill¨
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;B[gm]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: good
hylie [3d\]: "good, i can feel your hatred..."
ftroiset [2d\]: w is getting in trouble
ftroiset [2d\]: but he likes that
hylie [3d\]: how is the empire going to strike back?
ftroiset [2d\]: then driving?
hylie [3d\]: drive-in tesuji
ftroiset [2d\]: d5, next driving?
expat [4d?\]: b could not let white play g7
hylie [3d\]: d5?
]
;W[do]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: h6 bad shape getting pwned
dxxd [-\]: heh, he likes the shape...c6-d5-f6-g5...see top :))
snowman [-\]: maybe f4 now
]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]C[hylie [3d\]: then white d6
TheGoose [2d\]: miaia
rjngmk: end
acket [1d\]: W alive
]
;B[bo]C[acket [1d\]: connect
]
;W[dn]C[hylie [3d\]: b6
]
;B[bn]
;W[fp]C[hylie [3d\]: h5
]
;B[ho]
;W[gp]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]C[gu00 [4d\]: oh, this 4d is really strong
Juippi [1d\]: STONG
hylie [3d\]: sutorong!
hylie [3d\]: velii sutolong!
hylie [3d\]: can b e4?
hylie [3d\]: should?
hylie [3d\]: or just f3?
sdsd: e4 is better for left center moyo
hylie [3d\]: i think just f3 is better
expat [4d?\]: i also like f3
hylie [3d\]: maybe bad aji in the corner
sdsd: but b may have damezumari here
Onmyoji [2d\]: b nice kill
snowman [-\]: f3 is natural, black doesn't lose any territory
expat [4d?\]: e4 leads to bad shape
expat [4d?\]: but after f3 black will be split, alas
snowman [-\]: f3 and j3 after that
snowman [-\]: j4 i mean
hylie [3d\]: sounds best
]
;B[ep]C[hylie [3d\]: oh
expat [4d?\]: uh oh
hylie [3d\]: kireru!
Onmyoji [2d\]: wrong move
expat [4d?\]: i think black did not like the idea of white splitting him at e8 afterwards
sdsd: correct move :)
Onmyoji [2d\]: wrong
expat [4d?\]: it would have made g7 weak
]
;W[fq]
;B[eo]C[sdsd: see?
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
sdsd: reason?
Onmyoji [2d\]: wat
sdsd: why you didnt like it
Onmyoji [2d\]: b could kill all
hylie [3d\]: nice forcings if w does not capture immediately
gospiller [9k?\]: but now e10 area for b?!
sdsd: so give us a sequence to kill them all
expat [4d?\]: don't think so onmyoji
Onmyoji [2d\]: i do
sdsd: w had h6 , not posible to kill
expat [4d?\]: well, i guess that's why he is playing on board 4 at the EGC
Onmyoji [2d\]: why
gospiller [9k?\]: Still h6 now?
sdsd: h6 is slow now
gospiller [9k?\]: but big?
]
;W[hk]C[meuns [2k\]: just j6 ?
snowman [-\]: i wonder how white feels about this position
expat [4d?\]: i think w should feel good
expat [4d?\]: i think w is ahead, what do you guys think?
Eilinen [6k\]: can i ask, who is leading?
hylie [3d\]: now the forcings
Onmyoji [2d\]: kill r13
sdsd: h9?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: R4 soon
Onmyoji [2d\]: t12
expat [4d?\]: i feel w+10 as it stands
Eilinen [6k\]: why r4 ?
snowman [-\]: not W+14.5, incidentially :)
expat [4d?\]: what's that? se? :)
expat [4d?\]: if w can jump p8 to attack black, he may not need r4
ftroiset [2d\]: j8?
]
;B[jl]C[R [1k\]: wow
ftroiset [2d\]: not far ;-)
ftroiset [2d\]: anyway, thats b only chance
snowman [-\]: when the dust settles, which groups end up dead?
ftroiset [2d\]: probably none
R [1k\]: may be d6 ?
ftroiset [2d\]: unless you count d6 as a group
OhmyGod [-\]: d6 is nothing more than aji i think ^^
R [1k\]: p9 now
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:32,  black 1:03
]
;W[ge]C[snowman [-\]: he plays so slowly, i would have lost this game an hour ago...
]
;B[gf]C[noned [2d\]: you're too hasty
noned [2d\]: like merri and pippin
Onmyoji [2d\]: better to lose early than late
hylie [3d\]: assu is using this opportunity to learn.
]
;W[hf]C[magners [2k\]: bah, opportunity to get fame
hylie [3d\]: if he plays well, he may get a commentary from diner for free!
R [1k\]: let's check this b shape (h15)...
losanios [2k\]: is there TV broadcast for this game?
Lacrimosa [1d\]: why get 15 minutes of publicity when you can spend all 150
R [1k\]: only the second board TV  broadcast
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: broadcast only board 2
ftroiset [2d\]: j15
avsdvsdv: llol funny how dinerchteisn talked badly about catalin, and now catalin beat him :D
dxxd [-\]: what did he say?
]
;B[gg]C[hylie [3d\]: j15
hylie [3d\]: decided to give away to whole side
]
;W[hd]
;B[ie]
;W[id]
;B[je]
;W[jd]
;B[ke]C[dxxd [-\]: seeems the only way
dxxd [-\]: now h9 better target
R [1k\]: because b played h15 instead of h14 
ligeti [1k\]: after k8 it sort of makes sense
Erimies [4d\]: w has lot cash
hylie [3d\]: uncle scrooge
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count b+19.5
snowman [-\]: white can't allow all black moyo to materialize
ligeti [1k\]: b will need to do something in lower right soonish
Seagal [1d\]: diner gonna do sumthin with h9 ?
minismurf [-\]: this way I think black looks relatively happy
Seagal [1d\]: maybe live?
Akamaru [1k\]: tengen
Akamaru [1k\]: but
ftroiset [2d\]: L14 is quite large
ftroiset [2d\]: L16
Peks [2d\]: this game still looks ok for black I think
ftroiset [2d\]: yes
R [1k\]: may be p12 now ?
ww [?\]: i say k9 since no one said it
Erimies [4d\]: ww might be 
ligeti [1k\]: i say dog since its synonymous :-P
]
;W[jk]C[ligeti [1k\]: yay
snowman [-\]: a dog shall it be
Daoloth [-\]: game-deciding fight coming up
ww [?\]: \\o/
ftroiset [2d\]: not with alex
snowman [-\]: and who said that go is not a sport :)
papamisha [2d\]: I thought H7 is better
]
;B[kk]C[dxxd [-\]: papamisha, me too
ftroiset [2d\]: thats why you are 2d and he is 3p :-)
Erimies [4d\]: cross
ftroiset [2d\]: j8 is possible
snowman [-\]: cross-cut, extend k7, then what?
Erimies [4d\]: many variations but l10 looks ok too
Seagal [1d\]: j8 only move
dxxd [-\]: hehe, h7 now
snowman [-\]: white needs to be careful
ftroiset [2d\]: l 10 is usual, but here wrong direction , i  believe
]
;W[il]
;B[im]C[losanios [2k\]: k7
]
;W[bm]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: what is w doing?
TeeSushi [3d\]: i wonder myself
snowman [-\]: is that preparing ko threats or what
Daoloth [-\]: looks like he wants to use those dead stones somehow
]
;B[cm]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: it is a ko threat
]
;W[kj]C[noned [2d\]: biggish ko coming then :)
Daoloth [-\]: i'd be slightly worried about the corner as black
ftroiset [2d\]: dont worry, be happy
minismurf [-\]: well, b must start with the atari anyway, not much to think about? except if they should pause for lunch...
]
;B[kl]C[ftroiset [2d\]: atari -> ko
Seagal [1d\]: and w would win that ko i believe
TeeSushi [3d\]: j11 or h11 maybe?
Daoloth [-\]: tengen
Alife361 [6k\]: Simple k10 is sente (due to k7)?
ftroiset [2d\]: yes, a simple connection could be enough
ftroiset [2d\]: but k 7 is over optimistic
hylie [3d\]: does b have to kill the center?
hylie [3d\]: or can he extract enough influence to wreck the white formation below?
ftroiset [2d\]:  lets hoe he doesn't have to, because thats impossible
hylie [3d\]: mustalainen oikeudessa: se oli pakko tappaa
kar1 [?\]: looks like R3 corner still open for invasion
ftroiset [2d\]: hope
ftroiset [2d\]: always was
ligeti [1k\]: just to keep the momentum going so he can enforce the weak r13 and think about options to reduce LR
hylie [3d\]: if b turns at l16, he'll not lose the entire side
ligeti [1k\]: if w dies in the process, all the better :)
magners [2k\]: l16 horrible passive?
Seagal [1d\]: where can i see this game later??
hylie [3d\]: of course not now!
noth1ng [2k\]: if Diner wins this game he becomes champion?
KlerChazal [-\]: if catalin looses yes.
Cetoo [2k\]: are U turns allowed in go?
magners [2k\]: i didn't mean now, but not even in near future
expat [4d?\]: catalin is losing atm
hylie [3d\]: right
ftroiset [2d\]: European champion, perhaps, if catalin lose
tsuchigumo [-\]: seems to me like w's sequence at the top was not best timing, make b thick before you have settled your stones.....
hylie [3d\]: magners, the turnor m17 is big yose
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;W[lj]C[magners [2k\]: yes, but why mention it at this point of game, besides it's kinda obvious move :)
hylie [3d\]: smartass :)
hylie [3d\]: it's far from obvious when to play it
]
;B[jj]C[hylie [3d\]: it ties into the overall strategic possibilities
magners [2k\]: fair enough
sameasyou [2d\]: is it possible that b wins this game?
Erimies [4d\]: yes
sameasyou [2d\]: this 4d is amazing
ftroiset [2d\]:  push along the 11 line ?
sameasyou [2d\]: how old is he?
]
;W[ji]
;B[ik]C[Samowar [1d\]: breakfast beaten b such a noob;)
noned [2d\]: 16-17?
ilmotiski: 18
sameasyou [2d\]: congrats to him
ravishing [6d\]: w wont lose
ftroiset [2d\]: h11
]
;W[ii]
;B[ig]C[sameasyou [2d\]: how much time do they still have?
sameasyou [2d\]: why are they playing so fast?
KlerChazal [-\]: 79 moves in 3 hours...
]
;W[kd]C[Erimies [4d\]: very fast
Seagal [1d\]: maybe byo yomi already?
Erimies [4d\]: :s
sameasyou [2d\]: I see
ftroiset [2d\]: yes, I would have play L16 instead of J13
sameasyou [2d\]: p10
Erimies [4d\]: j13 shud be l16?
magners [2k\]: breakfast must be happy to see european youngsters having such a great interest in go to get near his level. he certainly has had impact on it
Erimies [4d\]: yeye
]
;B[oj]C[sameasyou [2d\]: who's the 6d now? :)
ftroiset [2d\]: m13?
sameasyou [2d\]: or p8?
Lunamarie [13k\]: I think Javier has been wiping the board with 4-6dans in tournament, but no 7dans yet :(
magners [2k\]: lunamarie, he lost to one 6 dan in main tourney
Seagal [1d\]: yea but today hes gonna beeat 3p
royalty [3d\]: wins against 4dans and 5dans
ftroiset [2d\]: p8 dnot prevent r3
Lunamarie [13k\]: oh yeah, 1 loss to 6d
Lunamarie [13k\]: and 1 or 2 to 7dan
noned [2d\]: csaba that was
noned [2d\]: and zeijst
hylie [3d\]: aleksi is a finn but his father is peruvian. the family lives in helsinki.
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shiu Chang-Li  - Pop Cristian  0-1 (board 6)
avsdvsdv: that explains everything
hylie [3d\]: that explains his first name javier-aleksi
avsdvsdv: hooray for romania :)
]
;W[ph]C[Hanezeki [2k\]: does egc end today?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
hylie [3d\]: degiri?
]
;B[mi]C[sameasyou [2d\]: wow
hylie [3d\]: that's better
sameasyou [2d\]: he has balls :)
hylie [3d\]: perfectly round ones
expat [4d?\]: he's giving a lot for the centre
expat [4d?\]: let's hope it works out :P
sameasyou [2d\]: expat n11 defends against r12 too
hylie [3d\]: he's gotta play flexibly in order to have a chance
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
gabigo [9k?\]: who's ahead?
Samowar [1d\]: b, for now
hylie [3d\]: at least he's giving diner a run for his money.
royalty [3d\]: dunno
royalty [3d\]: depends on what happens here
Seagal [1d\]: no way w can afford to lose those canter stones
Seagal [1d\]: center
noned [2d\]: eurogotv, how much time?
ftroiset [2d\]: with alex, dont be so sure
enkidu [4k\]: how much time left?
]
;W[mj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:02 black 0:45
]
;B[ki]C[noned [2d\]: this looks interesting
]
;W[kh]C[expat [4d?\]: w wants o11
hylie [3d\]: is assu by some miracle wins, he needs an award from the finnish go federation.
expat [4d?\]: maybe capture p10 on large scale
Daoloth [-\]: this looks like white is playing badly
hylie [3d\]: can b connect?
royalty [3d\]: can he not
hylie [3d\]: connect and m13 doesn't seem to work
hylie [3d\]: but what about n12
losanios [2k\]: he can but he sholdnt
Peks [2d\]: why play L11 if not connect now?
Erimies [4d\]: greedy
hylie [3d\]: or does m13 work after all
]
;B[li]C[expat [4d?\]: he played l11 very quickly
Peks [2d\]: R12 is workin for w soon
hylie [3d\]: no
]
;W[ni]C[royalty [3d\]: pretty much forced sequence
kar1 [?\]: not very beautiful
royalty [3d\]: empty triangle, go
]
;B[mh]C[losanios [2k\]: n13
royalty [3d\]: well, this aint good for black
hylie [3d\]: sheer elegance
expat [4d?\]: o10 would hurt a lot
royalty [3d\]: i would just go with o12, r12
losanios [2k\]: this is too simple
expat [4d?\]: and let black play o10, royalty?
royalty [3d\]: black forced to o10 himself and then q7 or something
drojdie [2k?\]: if black survives here, he can win the game
hylie [3d\]: if the black side lives assu's got a chance
royalty [3d\]: well, white o10 possible
royalty [3d\]: probably recommended
losanios [2k\]: o10 too passive
royalty [3d\]: seems pretty sente against n12 to me
sameasyou [2d\]: o10 it is I think
ftroiset [2d\]: n13, no?
losanios [2k\]: alex is not sure
royalty [3d\]: *shrug*
Hiropro [7k\]: N13
royalty [3d\]: does it have some benefit to it that o10 doesnt have
royalty [3d\]: is it aji keshi in any way
royalty [3d\]: or bad forcing
Daoloth [-\]: there could be at least a ko in the lower right later
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the ko is usually not played
Warfreak2 [5d\]: black prefers moves like r4 to get a result without ko
royalty [3d\]: unless he happens to have ko threats
expat [4d?\]: i'd say o10
royalty [3d\]: but quite rare style lately
Warfreak2 [5d\]: well, no
Warfreak2 [5d\]: even if you can live in the corner it's usually not the best you can do locally
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's a very small life
ben0 [5d\]: too much trick move by breakfast...
royalty [3d\]: trick?
losanios [2k\]: o10
ben0 [5d\]: b7 c6 d6 f6 k11 etc etc
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yes, breakfast looks like he's being cooked
losanios [2k\]: too late for n13
sameasyou [2d\]: Warfreak
hylie [3d\]: russian breakfast
sameasyou [2d\]: Dinerstein will take him more serious and get back in the game...u'll see
mi1 [1k\]: n13 possible 
SpiderWeb [3d\]: w is dead
sameasyou [2d\]: n13 will not hold
Werfeus [5d\]: ch hard even when it reads above
Warfreak2 [5d\]: sure, breakfast is better when cooked
monk316 [1k\]: i think that w is a very territorial player and sometimes he doesn't react quick enough to moyos
losanios [2k\]: he would put n13 earlier
losanios [2k\]: now he sees its a bad move
SpiderWeb [3d\]: n13 only move for w
rausku [-\]: times,please?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:51 black 0:42
rausku [-\]: thank you
Cassis0 [5d\]: this is very good for black
iTengen [3k\]: GO B
kryft [1k?\]: Hmm, what about black's group on the right side?
acket [1d\]: W counts killing right side
Warfreak2 [5d\]: has b beaten pros before?
royalty [3d\]: i havent counted but white atleast kills r13 and threatens p10 stones alot with just pure o10..
royalty [3d\]: is it not enough?
losanios [2k\]: w counts too much
acket [1d\]: if lose center then m.b. get all right side
kryft [1k?\]: Warfreak2, Not that we know of. :)
ftroiset [2d\]: hard to kill all
]
;W[mg]
;B[nh]C[Erimies [4d\]: fighting spirit
royalty [3d\]: okie, went with n13 forcing move first..
]
;W[lg]C[royalty [3d\]: oho
royalty [3d\]: i didn't expect this
kar1 [?\]: hmm¨
snowman [-\]: this is plan b, i suppose
kar1 [?\]: somehow this looks very heavy for white
sameasyou [2d\]: p11
]
;B[ng]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: hmm, b beat viktor lin in 2008
Nekros [3k\]: n15
sameasyou [2d\]: this feels a bit greedy
Erimies [4d\]: viktor 5d?
ftroiset [2d\]: very dangerous for w now
kar1 [?\]: both played badly here :)
sameasyou [2d\]: p12?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: viktor lin 5d, austrian champion
Erimies [4d\]: :p
expat [4d?\]: o14, then m15?
]
;W[nf]C[Nekros [3k\]: oh
]
;B[nj]C[royalty [3d\]: i'm still not quite convinced this plan b was better than a
kryft [1k?\]: Plan b for whom?
SpiderWeb [3d\]: j12
Nekros [3k\]: k13?
mi1 [1k\]: k13 :P
ftroiset [2d\]: o14->k12
]
;W[ih]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: r4
kryft [1k?\]: Is r6 viable?
]
;B[le]C[Erimies [4d\]: r5 looks fun
]
;W[gh]C[royalty [3d\]: okie, i think i'm convinced now
Uberdude [5d?\]: hmm shouildn't b k13?
]
;B[hg]C[snowman [-\]: later, dude
]
;W[me]C[kryft [1k?\]: :D
royalty [3d\]: i think i'm ready to put my chips on white
globax [4d\]: k13 bad since j11 could be damezumari
SpiderWeb [3d\]: w wins now
globax [4d\]: and keep ko threats
snowman [-\]: how many points is m16?
royalty [3d\]: 20 something?
Erimies [4d\]: not that much
zyklop [1d\]: or q13
globax [4d\]: about 14
R [1k\]: Taranu lost by time, so...
Erimies [4d\]: no need answer yet
snowman [-\]: r4 is bigger though
Nyrckes [1k\]: Oh assu is playing :)
just9x9 [-\]: taranu resigned by time would be the better way to put it?
hylie [3d\]: at some point black has to dive in to the white moyo?
hylie [3d\]: snowman, m16 is worth 10-15 points
royalty [3d\]: would i have been better for black to omit o13?
royalty [3d\]: *it
martin3141 [3k\]: b should do something to rescue his stones on the right, for if w gets p11 in sente, w is leading much
Daoloth [-\]: m16 looks boring and not very urgent
Luhmann: nned an update pls: what happends if alex wins pls? (after catalin lost)
hylie [3d\]: that's right
]
;B[ld]C[hylie [3d\]: but it's good to be aware of it
Erimies [4d\]: b lost
expat [4d?\]: :S
snowman [-\]: r5?
Erimies [4d\]: r5 wonderful point
losanios [2k\]: m17
Luhmann: no update:((( ???
Uberdude [5d?\]: m16 does what?
minismurf [-\]: m16 probably wasnt biggest?
hylie [3d\]: agree
avsdvsdv: connecy
Erimies [4d\]: smallest
royalty [3d\]: no, t19 was smallest
Uberdude [5d?\]: connefct useless
Uberdude [5d?\]: b should use his thickness
Erimies [4d\]: indeed
Uberdude [5d?\]: attack r8
Erimies [4d\]: to attack r8
cwelsh [2k\]: alex presumably wins, as his sos is much better. taranu is 5 behind, after this game he gets 8 more, alex gets 7 more
Erimies [4d\]: y
Luhmann: m16 gave some nice sente follow ups
Erimies [4d\]: not sente luhman
Warfreak2 [5d\]: alex might lose
Luhmann: thx cwelsh!
Luhmann: m16 not sente sure but all net moves
Luhmann: next*
losanios [2k\]: next move?
Larrave [3k\]: whos candidate for title?
avsdvsdv: catalin/diner
zyklop [1d\]: m16 seems endgame move
volcano [3k?\]: how to  log in to the vieo?
Luhmann: this is endgame
rikiyu [1k\]: m16 is huge
svrcd [?\]: if diner win then he champion)
Daoloth [-\]: it has a big continuation for b
losanios [2k\]: m16 is ok
losanios [2k\]: \\
just9x9 [-\]: u are right cwelsh except that the MMS is added to the SOS, not the number of won games afaik
royalty [3d\]: sometimes endgame moves are big enough
royalty [3d\]: but i'm not strong enough to judge
royalty [3d\]: m16 seemed like 20 points to me
Erimies [4d\]: r5 or f12
expat [4d?\]: m16 was 16 points i think
royalty [3d\]: r4 prolly bigger
cwelsh [2k\]: yes, correct, but same effect
mope: small move
Luhmann: r5 better than r4?
Uberdude [5d?\]: this might have sente follow up
Uberdude [5d?\]: but r4 or whatnot was sente
just9x9 [-\]: yes, no difference  for the outcome
volcano [3k?\]: anybody know the password and username?
cwelsh [2k\]: mms of opponents differ by 1
Uberdude [5d?\]: b can probably do stuff in lower right in setnbte
mope: Thisis loss 
losanios [2k\]: p13 looks like sente
escada [4k\]: p13
Luhmann: dont ge your p13
tanoq: when are the finals?
martin3141 [3k\]: q13 looked pretty for b
cwelsh [2k\]: taranu had an unlucky draw, which is why sos is just a lousy tiebreaker
mope: no sente
ilmotiski: no luck involved, he lost early
cwelsh [2k\]: not really
cwelsh [2k\]: same sequence as dinerchtein
tanoq: this tournament will end this coming  sunday?
cwelsh [2k\]: i lie
avsdvsdv: ends today
cwelsh [2k\]: losing game 4 was bad
avsdvsdv: these are the last few games
tanoq: oh really - how many games are left?
R [1k\]: is this game continuing?
expat [4d?\]: yes, catalin should have won game 4
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;W[pi]C[losanios [2k\]: nice move
ligeti [1k\]: the moral champion would of course be catalin, but its about consistency in tournaments
avsdvsdv: dead
cwelsh [2k\]: moral champion?
Luhmann: this works?
hylie [3d\]: this is the last round
expat [4d?\]: not the moral champion
avsdvsdv: with tied score, catalin wins because he beat dinerchstein?
R [1k\]: ko at p14 ?
snowman [-\]: not so avsetc
avsdvsdv: that sounds reasoabke
avsdvsdv: no?
royalty [3d\]: just s11 or something
just9x9 [-\]: sos decides avs
avsdvsdv: and who wins on sos?
just9x9 [-\]: diner
averoes [?\]: me
avsdvsdv: lol
escada [4k\]: Q11 = overplay?
Tiny81 [5k\]: so if alex win he wins because of sos
svrcd [?\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
just9x9 [-\]: yes
Luhmann: why schould w overplay?
losanios [2k\]: q13
Luhmann: no reason
avsdvsdv: so diner champion although obviously beaten by number 2?
avsdvsdv: funny :P
Tiny81 [5k\]: yes
expat [4d?\]: so what? it's not a 1 ono 1 tournament
ftroiset [2d\]: what is the sanction, escada?
Shadowrun [6k\]: SE is funny
mope: ko
escada [4k\]: r11
svrcd [?\]: korean player can't win title of european champion
Shadowrun [6k\]: it shows 2 groups that are next to each other both as dead lol
R [1k\]: SE is very realistic now 
Shadowrun [6k\]: but q12 AND r13 cannot be both dead at the same time
escada [4k\]: sorry
Luhmann: both alive
royalty [3d\]: everything.. dead
escada [4k\]: q10
royalty [3d\]: i see dead groups
Nyrckes [1k\]: r11
rikiyu [1k\]: q10
Shadowrun [6k\]: but it isnt possible that 2 groups are dead if they are diagonally attached
losanios [2k\]: q13
Luhmann: p11^
ilmotiski: the funny thing is, they don't know they are dead themselves
R [1k\]: they cannot be dead, but we can estimate them as dead ;)
pcar [8k\]: b connect to attack r8 ?
]
;B[pj]C[snowman [-\]: shoot them in the head!
hylie [3d\]: that's the way
rikiyu [1k\]: thats my move
Shadowrun [6k\]: no 1 group has to be alive - everything else doesn t fit the go rules
zyklop [1d\]: m16 was toov slow
hylie [3d\]: sell r13 for a good price
nouziller [2d?\]: s11 nice no,
royalty [3d\]: what gotta go, gotta go
Shadowrun [6k\]: s11?
Luhmann: p13
mope: b r5
cwelsh [2k\]: head to head a conceptually a better tiebreaker, but difficult to apply in an understandable way when you've got 6 or 8 people on the same number of wins.
escada [4k\]: r11
royalty [3d\]: or p11
mope: W r5
expat [4d?\]: the ko around p14 is not without danger for w, because of o16
royalty [3d\]: oh, nevermind me
cwelsh [2k\]: even among Europeans, you'll have a few on 7 wins
ilmotiski: r5 long overdue
escada [4k\]: p11 provokes black to delete white agi
royalty [3d\]: nah, nevermind p11 becouse black r11 works
Luhmann: p13 
royalty [3d\]: white cant draw back n9 becouse of liberties with q11
ilmotiski: b p13 is annoying now, w needs to defend or q11 was a loss
]
;W[rh]C[Luhmann: p  direct
Luhmann: direct
royalty [3d\]: anyway, w+r sooner or later
Hightway [6k\]: R4
martin3141 [3k\]: w fears not p13, for semeai is good for him
hylie [3d\]: s10?
Luhmann: 20 points^^
]
;B[qq]C[Hightway [6k\]: R3?
royalty [3d\]: see, black chose ko
Hightway [6k\]: no R4?
R [1k\]: r3 for the ko-threats, not only for scores
Luhmann: ko not sure here imo
]
;W[qp]C[shusaku1 [-\]: Eurogotv time left plz
]
;B[rp]C[R [1k\]: ko at p14 
Luhmann: sure?
]
;W[ro]
;B[rr]C[Luhmann: w can connect or?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:27 black 0:29
shusaku1 [-\]: thanks
MoogleOo [-\]: Q3
MoogleOo [-\]: q2*
Luhmann: tenuki
A1R [8k\]: is board 3 still playing?
avsdvsdv: w take corner, let r13 live
losanios [2k\]: m8
mope: It seems Dinershteyn wants to lose
Hightway [6k\]: q2
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes a1r
A1R [8k\]: ok 
MoogleOo [-\]: q13=)
Luhmann: alex just killed r15
A1R [8k\]: thx
royalty [3d\]: q2 is preeetty risky fight
avsdvsdv: dinersthetin lost will to live, after the crushing defeat yesterday
Luhmann: dans pls: ko or not ko?
royalty [3d\]: better to just q3, q2, p2, mayhaps
gospiller [9k?\]: How do you see that?
escada [4k\]: s11?
losanios [2k\]: ko
Luhmann: no ko
Luhmann: ia pretty sure 
Regenbogen [1d\]: b has many ko threats
R [1k\]: give up corner, w r6 
mope: q11 and s12 are very poor moves. Better to r5
ftroiset [2d\]: k13 is first b rthreat
Luhmann: there is no ko!
Hightway [6k\]: black alive
expat [4d?\]: how come black didn't q3?
losanios [2k\]: b didnt see that
Luhmann: r13 dead for sure without ko
R [1k\]: :)))
avsdvsdv: b just a 4d..
Hightway [6k\]: tenuki seems to be good there
Hightway [6k\]: "just" 4d x)
helloworld [3k\]: white studying how to play out ko
ligeti [1k\]: w is assessing ko threats
Luhmann: helloworld: still
expat [4d?\]: white is studying if he wants to kill b directly
royalty [3d\]: even cho chikun must have started as a 4dan..
Luhmann: there is no ko
Hightway [6k\]: Catalin losse again again "just" a 4d at the begining of the tornment
avsdvsdv: no
expat [4d?\]: luhmann: sequence?
peterl [6k\]: hell everyone started as 30k
avsdvsdv: he didn't
mope: Still white win, because anything black look 
Hightway [6k\]: 5d sorry
KlerChazal [-\]: thomas debarre is 5d yes
Nemerid [-\]: 5d which is almost 6d...
expat [4d?\]: if white wants no ko, he has to play q2 now
Luhmann: q13 p13 p12 and w connects in sente
Hightway [6k\]: he is 16 yo°°
]
;W[oh]C[Luhmann: maybe not :::((((
Luhmann: o my reading sucks that much?
]
;B[mk]C[Luhmann: i will have a look oflline
Nyrckes [1k\]: and this just "4dan" has beated two 6dans in this tournament
royalty [3d\]: hmh..
expat [4d?\]: is w eliminating threats to play ko at bottom?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: b had a ko to save r14
avsdvsdv: beating 2 classes difference is nice, but no biggie
Warfreak2 [5d\]: this eliminates it
avsdvsdv: 4d beating 3p, big biggie
royalty [3d\]: warfreak, a pretty heavy ko at that..
cognitive [3d\]: Does Q2 really work?  wQ2 bQ3 wP2 bR5 then what?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: very heavy ko, yes
]
;W[sp]C[snowman [-\]: pretty heavy ko for both
Luhmann: ahh forgot about r11 expat lol
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but it's removed in sente, now
]
;B[sq]
;W[rq]C[Nyrckes [1k\]: well then lets just hope that Assu will win this game :)
Nemerid [-\]: savolainen has more the level of a good 5d
Warfreak2 [5d\]: heavy ko is what b wants, if he is losing
Warfreak2 [5d\]: w prefers to keep game simple
expat [4d?\]: so savolainen is sandbagging? :P
avsdvsdv: i like that korean 6k sandbagger -- winning all 10 of his games :D
expat [4d?\]: somebody promote him
Arctic [5d\]: black should have taken o11 instead of n9 
]
;B[jg]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: maybe he thought it was gup
]
;W[jh]
;B[rp]C[avsdvsdv: lol
Nemerid [-\]: expat, he will be 5d after this tournament
hylie [3d\]: assu's performance go in main+weekend is 2475 if he loses now.
hylie [3d\]: performance GoR
avsdvsdv: lol warfreak
royalty [3d\]: artic, i thought so too
Nyrckes [1k\]: so not enought to get 5 dan :/
Warfreak2 [5d\]: uberdude once registered for oro as 10 kyu because he thought it was gup
Zanpaktou [3d\]: he won´t be 5d unless finnish go association promotes him 
hylie [3d\]: i think he'll be promoted because the main is more important than the weekend
avsdvsdv: who is uberdude
expat [4d?\]: if black had taken o11 w would need another move
hylie [3d\]: I'm for it.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: a dude who is uber
Uberdude [5d?\]: me
Regenbogen [1d\]: b8 is good threat
mope: eurogotv, as played by Shikshin, please
avsdvsdv: aha :)
]
;W[so]C[Nyrckes [1k\]: well i bet that assu wont get promoted if he loses this :D
]
;B[pq]C[bobstep [2k?\]: r12 good threat for b
royalty [3d\]: he'll get pro promotion if he wins this
Zanpaktou [3d\]: losing against dinerstein is ... unacceptable
]
;W[rq]C[Luhmann: n9 gives a poinst at k9
Nemerid [-\]: yes too bad :)
Erimies [4d\]: even if wins no 5d ;f
iTengen [3k\]: b is finnish?
Nyrckes [1k\]: yep
Gigot [5k\]: yes
royalty [3d\]: yes, he is finnished
Erimies [4d\]: ;S
expat [4d?\]: lol
gospiller [9k?\]: lol
avsdvsdv: game over now, even when corner lives
Mem0r3x [1k\]: f16 is a threat?
Luhmann: m18
]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[rp]C[iTengen [3k\]: mm he looks a bit stuffed
]
;W[oq]C[R [1k\]: r5 
expat [4d?\]: come on, cut!
Regenbogen [1d\]: could b have play p3 instead ko threat?
expat [4d?\]: :P
royalty [3d\]: everything went downhill for black after l11
avsdvsdv: sure
hylie [3d\]: assu
Luhmann: i think q10 mistake
hylie [3d\]: 's gor will be less than 2475 after this tournament. 2475 is level of performance in main+weekend.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i think f16 is a threat, yes, but not to capture the j16 stones
royalty [3d\]: luhmann, yes it gives away much
marwan [-\]: P2 alive
ataraf [8k\]: r 5 @e 6?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you just live on the top costing a lot of points if w ignores f16
Arhiman [2k\]: p2 not alive
Warfreak2 [5d\]: or alternatively capture the corner
expat [4d?\]: safe way to live is q2, but
expat [4d?\]: b will lose on territory
avsdvsdv: corner alive
]
;B[qo]
;W[rq]C[Erimies [4d\]: uuh
royalty [3d\]: fighting spirit
Zanpaktou [3d\]: kiai!
hylie [3d\]: violence
TeeSushi [3d\]: kihap
sameasyou [2d\]: I lose this 4d!!!
royalty [3d\]: kind of unreasonable though
expat [4d?\]: quite unreasonable
ataraf [8k\]: e 6?
expat [4d?\]: no choice though :)
ataraf [8k\]: or g 2
KlerChazal [-\]: makes the ko riskier for white
expat [4d?\]: yes but turns it into a 2 step ko for black
]
;B[lb]C[Erimies [4d\]: ign
hylie [3d\]: hmm is that big enough?
ataraf [8k\]: ?
martin3141 [3k\]: though, makes the ko more worth ... not much threats that fit this kind of ko anymore
just9x9 [-\]: b can connect ko if he wins it and still profit at top
expat [4d?\]: w will ignore
ataraf [8k\]: write
sameasyou [2d\]: ignroe
sameasyou [2d\]: ignore*
]
;W[sr]C[hylie [3d\]: i guess it is
]
;B[ic]C[hylie [3d\]: skirufuru
Daoloth [-\]: f16
just9x9 [-\]: still profit from r5 that is, it was no two step ko imho
snowman [-\]: fair exchange, i'd say
Gigot [5k\]: why does it seem small?
royalty [3d\]: snowman, give us a sequence black can win with
Tien [8d\]: Fair exchange = white still leads
Erimies [4d\]: cant
snowman [-\]: that can't be helped, tien
Tien [8d\]: Indeed it cannot
royalty [3d\]: k4 to start reduction?
Regenbogen [1d\]: w will get sente now
]
;W[gb]C[hylie [3d\]: 018?
Arhiman [2k\]: or gote
hylie [3d\]: ach
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's sente
Regenbogen [1d\]: but then good points
Luhmann: sure its sente
Nyrckes [1k\]: yep needs to connect now
expat [4d?\]: sentissimo
avsdvsdv: connect in sente, then tenuki
]
;B[kc]
;W[mc]C[Luhmann: maybe b o18 before
royalty [3d\]: perhaps yes
Luhmann: now w got n17
Luhmann: this is bad
]
;B[ec]C[royalty [3d\]: well w would get n17 with o18 too but maybe in gote
Luhmann: nice!
kryft [1k?\]: What about black M17 instead of L17?
royalty [3d\]: or can black squeeze a sente from here..
Luhmann: bet ales is surprised
avsdvsdv: ales cursing in russian
expat [4d?\]: very nice
Nyrckes [1k\]: :D
hylie [3d\]: who is ales?
]
;W[fd]C[just9x9 [-\]: hehe catalin is european champion, congrats :P
martin3141 [3k\]: just e18 next
]
;B[ed]
;W[eb]C[avsdvsdv: not
hylie [3d\]: and why would he be cursing in russian?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: because he's russian
expat [4d?\]: lol
Luhmann: expat: after yesterday you want javier to win, too, right? :D
hylie [3d\]: ales cieply?
martin3141 [3k\]: too bad for black this don't work
expat [4d?\]: not really luhmann, i have no favourite in this game :)
]
;B[lc]C[globax [4d\]: o18 protected in sente
Luhmann: ok
hylie [3d\]: ales cieply is czech
]
;W[dc]C[avsdvsdv: almost the same
losanios [2k\]: e15
Tien [8d\]: B16 feels much bigger
bobstep [2k?\]: don't tell him that
Luhmann: why thinking here???
hylie [3d\]: you do realize how insulting that is to both russians and the czech :)
]
;B[ri]C[Luhmann: uff
]
;W[qh]C[Luhmann: ok kikashi
royalty [3d\]: black needs some points
Luhmann: b needs e15 gote
expat [4d?\]: dinerchtein is good at the endgame, so that's bad news for B
]
;B[ee]C[hylie [3d\]: diner is just human. eats breakfast and all
expat [4d?\]: he
royalty [3d\]: we'll see if he is a mere human
expat [4d?\]: black l4 would be interesting no?
snowman [-\]: b16 is biggish
expat [4d?\]: L4
expat [4d?\]: that is
avsdvsdv: not
Luhmann: btw i like n9
]
;W[bd]C[R [1k\]: o6 
Cassis0 [5d\]: wow, b managed to lose the ko and r14
royalty [3d\]: o6? really?
avsdvsdv: yes cassi :D
globax [4d\]: f12 big
R [1k\]: I mean o6 for w
Onmyoji [2d\]: w win
avsdvsdv: m4
globax [4d\]: l4?
Luhmann: o18
Daoloth [-\]: tenuki
R [1k\]: b h6 
snowman [-\]: the dust has now settled and r16 group ends up dead
avsdvsdv: settled long time ago
expat [4d?\]: o18 is no good luhmann, n19 is the endgame there
Shadowrun [6k\]: m3
snowman [-\]: you didn't win in the quiz
Genotive [3k\]: any link to the live cast?
Luhmann: hmm
Aoiro [8k\]: off air it says
Aoiro [8k\]: channel 1 is there, but 3 is off air
]
;B[fj]C[avsdvsdv: w three huge corners, black one meagre -- resign
royalty [3d\]: well, if he can get big amount of territory here, block b15 and reduce bottom..
Luhmann: not sure expat since b has o16 in sente
Luhmann: dunno iam weak
losanios [2k\]: g10
]
;W[gj]
;B[fk]C[expat [4d?\]: luhmann yeah but w answers o18 at o18 and black will get gote
Cassis0 [5d\]: m18 was a very big mistake 
Zanpaktou [3d\]: o18 still gote ..
expat [4d?\]: at o17 sorry :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: r3 was dubious too
losanios [2k\]: e12
]
;W[er]
;B[dr]C[rapit [2k\]: black should have forced with f2 g2 e3 earlier d2 would have been sente then
royalty [3d\]: would be quite miraclous if assu won here
Tien [8d\]: Nah
snowman [-\]: even ko threats then
Tien [8d\]: It would just be Dinerchtein making a simple mistake
royalty [3d\]: which requires a piano to fall on him
Luhmann: hehe
avsdvsdv: where?
Tien [8d\]: Still possible, but not miraculous
royalty [3d\]: i would call sucha mistake miracles
royalty [3d\]: opportunities sent from heavens
Onmyoji [2d\]: w+6.5
avsdvsdv: w+r
royalty [3d\]: you should, as heaven's punishment, understand that
Luhmann: r15 has much mistake-aji^^
]
;W[ko]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: no
hylie [3d\]: ok that's it
KlerChazal [-\]: huge
dxxd [-\]: nevertheless, excellent tournament...hard to expect to win european champion yet
]
;B[mo]C[threeoone [4k\]: w lead more than 15 i say
snowman [-\]: L5 might be the win sealing move
Tien [8d\]: Good game from Assu anyway
TB [8d\]: I want to ask
avsdvsdv: who is assu?
TB [8d\]: black is 4d
TB [8d\]: or 4p?
sameasyou [2d\]: damn...w got e2 and b16
Tien [8d\]: 4d
Luhmann: 4dan
Nyrckes [1k\]: 4dan
TB [8d\]: ....
TB [8d\]: I came in later :9
Luhmann: 8dan schould "read" this^^ or?
sameasyou [2d\]: black did a fantastic tournament
royalty [3d\]: tb, welcome
KlerChazal [-\]: alexandre dinerchtein is registered as 7d.
avsdvsdv: b got some lucky draws,
Elandal [3k\]: Black's EGD profile: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14001537
KlerChazal [-\]: b played well those last 2 weeks
snowman [-\]: ah, it was all about luck then
avsdvsdv: yes, catalin should have won for example
]
;W[mp]C[royalty [3d\]: snowman, this is go, what do you expect?
royalty [3d\]: skill?
snowman [-\]: that escapes me
]
;B[qm]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: no skill in go
expat [4d?\]: is black in byo yomi?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
expat [4d?\]: ty
snowman [-\]: this stone is useless, imho
bobstep [2k?\]: when you lose it's luck, but when you win it's skill--simple
]
;W[rl]
;B[lo]
;W[lp]C[Luhmann: the skill is: must learn not to smoke while plaing tournamnts
Shadowrun [6k\]: how old is black?
Tien [8d\]: 18
Luhmann: makes me always 5 stonnes weaker
royalty [3d\]: i dont know what you are smoking, but the smog might be useful to blur opponent's vision of the board
TB [8d\]: his name is too long- -
Gresil [-\]: how do you make the smog opaque to only the opponent?
]
;B[sh]
;W[sg]C[royalty [3d\]: with great skill
bobstep [2k?\]: blow it in his direction
expat [4d?\]: maybe black could g2 to keep it in reserve
]
;B[sj]C[Luhmann: another skill is not to break out in loud laughing when this nerds fan their stupid hikaru-blower
]
;W[si]C[royalty [3d\]: wait, what
]
;B[rm]C[snowman [-\]: nothing
]
;W[sm]
;B[sh]C[Luhmann: told ja about r15-mistake-aji
gabigo [9k?\]: is that ko important?
Shadowrun [6k\]: s13
]
;W[bp]C[maksymko [6k\]: i didn't get t10
]
;B[en]
;W[si]C[MoussDiouf [11k\]: time left ?
xxxsds: f12 big?
maksymko [6k\]: why not b t11?
Luhmann: b wanna ko
Shadowrun [6k\]: why doesnt w just play s13
bobstep [2k?\]: s13 sente for w due to threat on r7?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:04 black 0:11
papamisha [2d\]: he will have Q8 as sente
Nooob [30k\]: hey
MoussDiouf [11k\]: ty
expat [4d?\]: this ko is important for byo yomi :P
Shadowrun [6k\]: hi nooob
]
;B[be]C[Nooob [30k\]: someone want game?
Nyrckes [1k\]: lets see if diner loses on time too :D
gabigo [9k?\]: isn't h6 ko threat?
]
;W[fi]
;B[sh]C[MKv2 [2d\]: another sandbagger 30k...
Shadowrun [6k\]: yeah he is prolly 28k
]
;W[rg]
;B[hh]C[Luhmann: b schould e1
Luhmann: i mean could
sfrex [1k\]: 30k? how do u get 30k?
Luhmann: ending in sente
snowman [-\]: g11 now
]
;W[hi]
;B[fh]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: ko
TB [8d\]: this 4d is strong
TB [8d\]: or this 3p is weak?
xxxsds: maybe both ^^
Larrave [3k\]: or both
Larrave [3k\]: O.o
]
;W[ei]C[qwertu [1d?\]: a bit of both I think
]
;B[gi]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: if b loses this ko he can resign
magners [2k\]: nice to have ko when w's soon (already?) in byo
]
;W[dm]C[expat [4d?\]: black has some nice threats in the top left
]
;B[dl]
;W[gh]C[Luhmann: e1 is a threat
xxxsds: p13 
gabigo [9k?\]: h6?
rapit [2k\]: white can afford to lose it imho, q7 or so should be enough
expat [4d?\]: p13 gives w threat in return
MKv2 [2d\]: you're right rapit
tttt: f18
xxxsds: no w has that threat now
MKv2 [2d\]: white is already leading without even winning the ko
Luhmann: e1
expat [4d?\]: mhm, true xxx
Shadowrun [6k\]: p2?
studyy: The ko is big
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Luhmann e1 g11 then what?
maksymko [6k\]: b can't win this ko
Godaisuki [1k\]: F18 big enough?
xxxsds: b needed q8 but can not have both ko and q8 now
gabigo [9k?\]: is h6 threat?
expat [4d?\]: then g2 mem0r3x, but w would answer e1
MKv2 [2d\]: this ko is a win right now or win later by breakfast battle
Mem0r3x [1k\]: g2 h6 ...
expat [4d?\]: the ko is no burden on W
KlerChazal [-\]: h6 threatens nothing big
]
;B[gr]C[gabigo [9k?\]: the f3 group
rapit [2k\]: h6
rapit [2k\]: ?
Shadowrun [6k\]: h6?
expat [4d?\]: h6 is costly
Luhmann: e1 better imo
expat [4d?\]: then black can connect underneath
gabigo [9k?\]: if w doesn't respond to h6 then g2 
dantesxx [5k\]: f2?
rapit [2k\]: aah i see
]
;W[fr]
;B[gi]C[dantesxx [5k\]: hehe
gabigo [9k?\]: so h6 should have been a threat right?
expat [4d?\]: no gabigo
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white in BY
Luhmann: ok still e1
plamen [1k\]: e7 ?
]
;W[em]
;B[el]
;W[gh]
;B[es]C[sameasyou [2d\]: question is who will be european champion? Dinerstein or Catalin?
royalty [3d\]: javier
]
;W[hr]C[sameasyou [2d\]: they have same number of wins now
KlerChazal [-\]: if diner wins, diner
]
;B[gi]C[KlerChazal [-\]: better SOS
sameasyou [2d\]: Javier can't
dantesxx [5k\]: If dinner wins, dinner. :)
expat [4d?\]: this game is deciding the winner
MKv2 [2d\]: i really like alex's style, it reminds me of lee changho, having in mind the obvious differences
TB [8d\]: I hopr black win this game ^^
TB [8d\]: it can be funny
sameasyou [2d\]: me too :)
expat [4d?\]: lol TB
sameasyou [2d\]: but chances are very small now
]
;W[og]C[royalty [3d\]: this situation looks quite a bit more favourable to black as to what it looked like a couple of moves ago
]
;B[lk]
;W[gh]C[Luhmann: seems b must waste r18 for this ko now
Luhmann: o he just did
]
;B[kg]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: w got so lucky, he got the 4d opponent and catalin got a korean opponent
]
;W[lh]C[sameasyou [2d\]: yes :)
xxxsds: we always support amateurs but unlikely b wins
]
;B[gi]C[Elandal [3k\]: I guess Assu goes back to Korea and will take revenge next year :)
MKv2 [2d\]: have you conted? i mean white's advantage is very big?
MKv2 [2d\]: big without interrogation
]
;W[ae]C[KlerChazal [-\]: well, looking to the SOS of dinerchtein, he played against harder opponents.
sameasyou [2d\]: the 4d is studying in Korea?
Nyrckes [1k\]: yes
royalty [3d\]: was atleast
Luhmann: ignore??
dxxd [-\]: was
sameasyou [2d\]: KlerChazal look again...that is not true
KlerChazal [-\]: a15 big
expat [4d?\]: no, b must answer i think
gabigo [9k?\]: b still has g17
gabigo [9k?\]: as a threat
Luhmann: g9
Larrave [3k\]: well catalin fell in the middle of the tournament 
expat [4d?\]: also b will get c16 as a threat
Gresil [-\]: f18 first
]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[bf]
;W[gh]
;B[db]
;W[cb]
;B[gi]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: i still don't understand why f18 isn't big enough
KlerChazal [-\]: sameasyou : SOS 441 - 438.
avio [2d\]: if both audouard and Bogacky win Catalin and Alex will be equal on SOS
]
;W[pm]C[KlerChazal [-\]: oh
Luhmann: huh?
KlerChazal [-\]: debarre won ?
Lukan [4d\]: yes
xxxsds: q7 says I have enough
sameasyou [2d\]: Alex managed to beat places 8 and 7 from top 10...Catalin managed to beat places 9, 7 and 6...that would be Dinerstein himself
Godaisuki [1k\]: q7 says you lose
expat [4d?\]: o5
avio [2d\]: of course if yesterday wallist was correct
aitkensam [-\]: p7
royalty [3d\]: q7 is mute
MKv2 [2d\]: game over
Godaisuki [1k\]: why not A5 ir A6 furst?
Lukan [4d\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1500
xxxsds: oh then he uses sign language to tell us
KlerChazal [-\]: roln didnt play an outstanding tourneyy
Luhmann: ir a5 furst? whats up?
sameasyou [2d\]: yes...I was expecting so much more from Ilya
KlerChazal [-\]: he played good this week end though :)
avio [2d\]: debarre, mero and burzo won for Catalin
sameasyou [2d\]: that is good
avio [2d\]: hwang and fenech won for Alex
sameasyou [2d\]: that is not so good :)
]
;B[gh]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: won for?
KlerChazal [-\]: if eunkuk wins so..
avio [2d\]: today there were only 3 points difference in SOS
Uberdude [5d?\]: you mean beat?
aitkensam [-\]: catalin lost for alex :p
avio [2d\]: so Catalin needs another 2
xxxsds: they won for themselves ^^
sameasyou [2d\]: lol aikensan :)
]
;W[hn]
;B[om]C[royalty [3d\]: uberdude, with sosses you win for other people
aitkensam [-\]: hane!
Gresil [-\]: if you beat player X, all of X's wins benefit you
avio [2d\]: i was talking about SOS
aitkensam [-\]: SOS is the reason to win all your games
]
;W[pn]C[aitkensam [-\]: far too much thinking otherwise
Luhmann: why not p6??
royalty [3d\]: becouse!
KlerChazal [-\]: w won big.
TeeSushi [3d\]: b should resign
aitkensam [-\]: how is the byo-yomi in this tournie? slow enough for b to count?
drojdie [2k?\]: it seems close game, why resign?
Luhmann: 1min i think
expat [4d?\]: 1 minute
avio [2d\]: there will be 4 europeans with 7 wins
expat [4d?\]: enough to count
Onmyoji [2d\]: w to strong for b
aitkensam [-\]: hmm not much counting then i guess
expat [4d?\]: can find a forcing move and count :)
studyy: It would be sad if a por lost to a 4d
studyy: *pro
]
;B[ol]C[Gresil [-\]: there's a slovakian shodan who already has 8/9 before today
Luhmann: remember ales yetsreday teesushi
Luhmann: i never would resign against him
Warfreak2 [5d\]: captain beat janice kim
aitkensam [-\]: sad?it would be awesome :)
Elandal [3k\]: I think it's more of an ego thing. Assu resigning is unlikely.
Luhmann: alex*
]
;W[no]C[expat [4d?\]: b has decided to play it out?
Nyrckes [1k\]: yep
Tien [8d\]: Futile
royalty [3d\]: all your points are belong to us
]
;B[nn]
;W[on]C[KlerChazal [-\]: hard to know who is first also.
Luhmann: still dreaming of connecting r16???
]
;B[oo]C[Reiter101 [-\]: who is leading the main tournemant eurogotv????
just9x9 [-\]: oh, b is Assu on kgs?
]
;W[np]C[KlerChazal [-\]: eunkuk resigned
aitkensam [-\]: nice royalty :p
]
;B[pl]C[getafix [4k\]: yes
]
;W[qn]C[Luhmann: assu 4dan?
Luhmann: or?
getafix [4k\]: yes 4d
Luhmann: thx+
royalty [3d\]: yes, 4dan pro
Nyrckes [1k\]: :D
Luhmann: so he is doing quite well at all
TeeSushi [3d\]: 12 pts for w
TeeSushi [3d\]: w+12
]
;B[ln]
;W[kn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: don't place all your eggs in one basket 
]
;B[lm]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: don't cook all your eggs for one breakfast
dantesxx [5k\]: Depends on how many eggs you have :)
dantesxx [5k\]: haha Warfreak
]
;W[hb]C[acket [1d\]: W +20
snowman [-\]: white's bottom territory got too big
Yippie [2d\]: yeah w + alot
royalty [3d\]: it's horribly wasteful to buy lots of baskets
Nyrckes [1k\]: n19
]
;B[cd]
;W[bc]C[globax [4d\]: time to res
Yippie [2d\]: not enough to force a resign though
sameasyou [2d\]: eh...he played this far it is ok to finish
expat [4d?\]: well, we have to suspect he can't resign because he's in byoyomi after all
dantesxx [5k\]: It's also horribly wasteful to have a lot of eggs... They'll spoil.
]
;B[in]
;W[ip]C[sameasyou [2d\]: n19
Warfreak2 [5d\]: depends how many you're cooking for, dante
globax [4d\]: ok, correct to finish that far, 
Yippie [2d\]: o16 
Sabacc [4k\]: o18 ?
Luhmann: n19 aji keshi or?
Nyrckes [1k\]: first n19 then o16
Shadowrun [6k\]: L2 and live in cho chikun style ^^
xxxsds: o16
]
;B[hl]C[royalty [3d\]: not directly o17?
dantesxx [5k\]: Also depends on what you're cooking, Warfreak... :)
]
;W[nd]
;B[ma]C[Luhmann: hehe nice
]
;W[na]
;B[la]
;W[nb]C[xxxsds: j18
Warfreak2 [5d\]: wedding cake might take more than 70 eggs
Yippie [2d\]: w+ 10-15
]
;B[ib]C[dantesxx [5k\]: Who wants a wedding cake anyway.
Luhmann: stroong 4dan!
royalty [3d\]: people about to get married
Warfreak2 [5d\]: people getting married
Alife361 [6k\]: Taranu lost?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: and everyone who likes cake
dantesxx [5k\]: Only because it's a tradition.
Yippie [2d\]: the cake is 'still' a lie
acket [1d\]: very strooooong!
royalty [3d\]: or lots of people who like cake
]
;W[ha]C[dantesxx [5k\]: I'd rather have chocolate cake than a wedding cake.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: since when was tradition the reason we eat cake
Tien [8d\]: Cake or death?
sameasyou [2d\]: k6
dantesxx [5k\]: I mean, sure we can eat cake at a wedding, but why such a special, big wedding cake?
]
;B[jn]
;W[jo]C[Elandal [3k\]: I consider any cake served at wedding a wedding cake.
ignus [1k?\]: man.... a 3p losing to a 4d
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you can have whatever cake you like
ignus [1k?\]: shows that anything is possible in Go
Alife361 [6k\]: Taranu lost? Who knows?
royalty [3d\]: ignus, where? where?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but if it's big enough to be a wedding cake, it can take 70+ eggs
ignus [1k?\]: and noone should lose hope
xxxsds: because there are a lot of people in a wedding
]
;B[gk]
;W[hj]C[expat [4d?\]: yes alife
sameasyou [2d\]: yes Alife
just9x9 [-\]: taranu lost by time
Alife361 [6k\]: thanks expat
]
;B[rk]C[Alife361 [6k\]: and just9x9 :)
]
;W[qk]
;B[pk]
;W[rn]C[ignus [1k?\]: royalty right here
]
;B[gc]
;W[fb]C[acket [1d\]: W+10
aitkensam [-\]: nice effort by b
Alife361 [6k\]: and sameasyou too :)
xxxsds: p11 
]
;B[oi]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: p11
Luhmann: eurogolink pls
Nyrckes [1k\]: f1
]
;W[ia]
;B[ja]C[Luhmann: wanna see bs face
]
;W[fs]C[Luhmann: pls:D
Gresil [-\]: i don't think there is a feed of this oe
Gresil [-\]: one, not kenzaburo
]
;B[ds]C[royalty [3d\]: we must ask someone to describe his face
Luhmann: hehe
DooM [5k\]: -*-
]
;W[km]
;B[hm]
;W[ho]C[Nyrckes [1k\]: r11
Shadowrun [6k\]: t11
acket [1d\]: W+9.5
]
;B[qi]
;W[si]C[Yippie [2d\]: w+11.5
royalty [3d\]: too bad white has no room for dame mistakes either
expat [4d?\]: hehe
]
;B[rj]
;W[sh]C[xxxsds: nice b
]
;B[sk]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: r11 cost a point then
]
;W[sl]C[royalty [3d\]: yup
expat [4d?\]: yeah
]
;B[ij]C[expat [4d?\]: should t11
Shadowrun [6k\]: t11 better
Tien [8d\]: Oh, so strong!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yes
Tiny81 [5k\]: w +12 (komi is 8)
]
;W[jm]
;B[eq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are counting
Warfreak2 [5d\]: official result: b+resign
royalty [3d\]: alexander if filling in tax forms
expat [4d?\]: lol
mi1 [1k\]: b + resign ? :O
expat [4d?\]: alexander is having a vodka
ignus [1k?\]: he needs one
ignus [1k?\]: after such a game
expat [4d?\]: so he's european champion
Luhmann: oOo i had yesterday :((
acket [1d\]: alex champion!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: seems not very fair
drojdie [2k?\]: eurogo, what is the result between rob and csaba?
ignus [1k?\]: no, catalin champ
Luhmann: camera link pls
ere3: csaba won
Warfreak2 [5d\]: dinerchtein and catalin both tied for champion, catalin beat dinerchtein when they played
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yet dinerchtein wins the tournament
maksymko [6k\]: tv link?
Alife361 [6k\]: Ура новому Чемпиону Европы!
Zanpaktou [3d\]: dinerstein has more sos 
svrcd [?\]: ура)
murrr: рано!!
Zanevski [6k\]: +1
WinPooh [3k\]: Александру Великому!
GoIsBoring [1d\]: диннер выйграл?
svrcd [?\]: в самый раз)
Zanpaktou [3d\]: sos is a tiebreaker, not direct comparison i think
GoIsBoring [1d\]: в смысле чемпионат?
tupinoz [5k\]: честитке новом шампиону европе
acket [1d\]: 7-кратный
vg [2d\]: Ура семикратному Чемпиону Европы!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: W+11
mi1 [1k\]: среди европейцев
Msharingan [4k\]: did catalin win all his games ?
Rocker [4d\]: privet comrades!
just9x9 [-\]: thx euro
expat [4d?\]: thx eurogotv
WinPooh [3k\]: А не 8-ми?
Nyrckes [1k\]: thanks
snowman [-\]: nice game, komi was too much
svrcd [?\]: титул присуждается только европейцам
Alife361 [6k\]: hi, Rocker
magners [2k\]: gg Assu
ignus [1k?\]: thanks eurogotv
svrcd [?\]: корецы за деньги дрались)
Rocker [4d\]: hello
Alife361 [6k\]: thanks
mi1 [1k\]: :O
drojdie [2k?\]: eurogo, who is the champion?
Rocker [4d\]: who is the winner?
GeorgKat [11k?\]: То есть Динерштейн таки чемпион?
GoIsBoring [1d\]: т.е.победили корейцы но титул оставили диннеру?
Highwayman [1d\]: Alex win euro title for 1 points of Sos i think
Nyrckes [1k\]: diner
Greenbudda [6d\]: why b+ ?
svrcd [?\]: ага, динер завоевал титул)
Shadowrun [6k\]: b+r
TeeSushi [3d\]: w+11
GeorgKat [11k?\]: Круто! ) ви ар вэ чемпионз! )
Rocker [4d\]: diner lost?
Greenbudda [6d\]: but w has more
TeeSushi [3d\]: diner won 
Shadowrun [6k\]: just kidding
Rocker [4d\]: ok
mi1 [1k\]: so maybe it was a trick by dinner lose to catalin
Shadowrun [6k\]: that is excactly what i thought as well m1
Shadowrun [6k\]: mi1
mi1 [1k\]: :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: mi, that's silly - if he beat catalin he'd win also
Luhmann: poor catalin, he played a blunder today?
Hasshii [?\]: no way
Luhmann: why he lost?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: even if dinerchtein then lost and catalin then won, in the last round
Shadowrun [6k\]: ok
Warfreak2 [5d\]: dinerchtein would also win on sos in that scenario
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