(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 10 board 5]PW[Csaba Mero]PB[Rob van Zeijst]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-08]EV[main]RO[10]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[HU]BT[NL]US[kamyszyn]
;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[qp]
;W[dd]
;B[fq]
;W[ip]
;B[cn]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[cp]
;W[cl]
;B[dm]
;W[dl]
;B[el]C[Kuros [8k\]: lively
]
;W[dj]
;B[gq]
;W[dr]
;B[ho]
;W[bo]
;B[co]
;W[go]
;B[hp]
;W[hn]
;B[io]C[Spiele1000 [3k\]: funny shape
Thew [3k\]: black wins. (b2 bomber)
]
;W[bn]
;B[ek]C[wolokom [5k\]: f 7?
]
;W[gm]C[evave [4k\]: e9 was nice read
evave [4k\]: e6 ?
nodan [2d\]: b wants to play d9 c9 c10 
]
;B[en]C[evave [4k\]: c11 ?
]
;W[ci]C[evave [4k\]: d9 was beter
evave [4k\]: this is too god for w i guess
evave [4k\]: g9 
evave [4k\]: f11 
]
;B[fi]
;W[ej]
;B[fj]
;W[gk]
;B[fk]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]
;W[fm]
;B[em]
;W[ii]
;B[hh]C[Dogen [5k\]: this looks like a kyu game
]
;W[ij]
;B[jg]
;W[li]
;B[lp]C[wittel [3k?\]: why?
]
;W[ih]
;B[ig]
;W[hg]
;B[fg]
;W[hf]
;B[fe]
;W[hd]C[evave [4k\]: i could guess almost every move after b6  :P
BepMyT [2k\]: fat dgagons
BepMyT [2k\]: dragons
]
;B[fc]
;W[ef]
;B[ff]
;W[fh]
;B[eh]
;W[gh]
;B[gi]
;W[gg]
;B[ei]
;W[eg]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: i only see one eye
]
;B[ch]
;W[cf]C[Muscadet [?\]: b10 trouble for w
Aret [1k\]: 1 eye - d6 , 1 eye b4 /C2 - no?
]
;B[bj]
;W[bi]C[Muscadet [?\]: there is no answer to this 
Muscadet [?\]: now b gets b5 stones
]
;B[bm]
;W[cm]
;B[bl]
;W[bk]
;B[ck]
;W[dk]
;B[ak]
;W[cj]
;B[bk]
;W[bh]
;B[hc]
;W[ic]
;B[id]
;W[ie]
;B[jd]
;W[gc]
;B[hb]
;W[gd]
;B[gb]
;W[do]C[evave [4k\]: f16 ?
k0n0 [?\]: now it is B's choice whether f16 or k15
SvdL [5k\]: h15  group dead ?
Muscadet [?\]: aiming at the "under the stones play" of  a7
k0n0 [?\]: a7 doesnt work
Muscadet [?\]: not now - but is a threat
SpiderWeb [3d\]: k15
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:30 black 1:09
k0n0 [?\]: a7 is just a ko threat, B must a6
Canadaboy [4k\]: for ko ??
k0n0 [?\]: W knew it would take too much of his time to decide between f16/k15, so gracefully passed the decision to B
k0n0 [?\]: canadaboy: simple ko threat, for a ko on other part of the board
wow8 [?\]: Black is dead if answer D6, after White A7
svrcd [?\]: no
k0n0 [?\]: a7 a6, i explained
ColdFront [-\]: why the hesitation then?
wow8 [?\]: White A7 - Black A7 W A5 B4 B2
wow8 [?\]: sorry, A7 - A6 - A5 _B4 - B2
ColdFront [-\]:  looking at g13  stones maybe?
gu00 [4d\]: any problem for b, i cannot seet it :(
minismurf [-\]: maybe considering something like H15 or F16
avio [2d\]: w needs b2 before a7, so no probl for b
evave [4k\]: f16 
k0n0 [?\]: wow8 explained b2 may come after a7
avio [2d\]: but b is alive
derp [1k\]: b wouldn't b4 after a5
derp [1k\]: I think b is alive, but may have to give up b9 stones
wow8 [?\]: Black will play C2 now
avio [2d\]: no
ColdFront [-\]: tenuki
avio [2d\]: w a7 b b4
ColdFront [-\]: thats the answer
avio [2d\]: and a5 b2 miai
JoostC [4d\]: black can answer at F16
avio [2d\]: b has to connect
fab [-\]: black can't connect
avio [2d\]: i would like c13, e15 and k15
avio [2d\]: k15 is huge
avio [2d\]: is bigger than f16
JoostC [4d\]: black f16, white k15, black l15
avio [2d\]: why b can't connect?
evave [4k\]: f16 and k15 same
evave [4k\]: i ll prefer f16
fab [-\]: d6 a7 b4 a6 is death by ishi no shita
wow8 [?\]: is also a ko possibility if B connects: Black D6 - White A7 - B4 - A6 - A3 - White B2 ito kill and then Black A5 ko
wow8 [?\]: But this ko is a flower ko for white...
fab [-\]: black has internal ko threats
avio [2d\]: ups, sorry
kserks [2k\]: c13
JoostC [4d\]: white D5 is to prevent an eye for black?
]
;B[fd]
;W[je]
;B[he]
;W[ge]
;B[gf]
;W[he]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]
;B[jc]
;W[kf]
;B[le]
;W[jf]C[fab [-\]: if this doesn't work, black is only wasting ko threats ^^
]
;B[dn]C[Muscadet [?\]: d6 - a7, b4 a6, c2  - a11; a4 - a10, c1 alive, but lost the b9 stones
]
;W[am]C[JoostC [4d\]: White could have played l15 and give up three stones.
]
;B[bp]
;W[an]C[LeFourBe [5d?\]: black miss A6 ?
wow8 [?\]: No :)
fab [-\]: 7d don't miss this
derp [1k\]: under the stones always easy to miss
JoostC [4d\]: Black a5 
wow8 [?\]: A3
bubakloc [3k\]: what is wrong with a4
k0n0 [?\]: W f2 is sente
wow8 [?\]: or A5 first
JoostC [4d\]: If white takes A3: ko or two eyes
derp [1k\]: bubakloc: a4 a11 a5 a10 a8 b6
bubakloc [3k\]: i see thx derp
evave [4k\]: guess b willl win ko
]
;B[ao]
;W[ap]
;B[aq]C[SpiderWeb [3d\]: why not a4?
JoostC [4d\]: White has threats at k18, l17, black at m14,m15 , E15
wow8 [?\]: because unconditional dead
Godaisuki [1k\]: a4 then a11 a5 a10 a8 b6
wow8 [?\]: White should tenuki now
JoostC [4d\]: And a threat at E5, four must be enought
evave [4k\]: y not a3  first that a5?
Muscadet [?\]: this sequence is better than the one I imagined
ApplePie [5d\]: EuroGoTv: time please?
fab [-\]: sacrifice a stone first allows you to win a step in the ko (and thus, a ko threat)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:25 black 0:43
]
;W[br]
;B[ao]
;W[eb]C[fab [-\]: too small
]
;B[fb]C[Muscadet [?\]: not small
]
;W[ap]C[wow8 [?\]: this is big
evave [4k\]: m14 
]
;B[cr]C[fab [-\]: why was this big ?
]
;W[cs]
;B[ao]C[wow8 [?\]: if not answer,  later K18 will be damaging, fab
Muscadet [?\]: b has threats with the same group
SpiderWeb [3d\]: then live wiith a6
LeFourBe [5d?\]: C1 ? oO
Godaisuki [1k\]: if not c1 black gets two eyes
]
;W[lf]C[minismurf [-\]: black should have used M14 threat though
fab [-\]: if A11 instead of C1, then b1 a2 a5 : still ko, but black has more threats to connect (and white lost yose)
Muscadet [?\]: m14 as first threat as perhaps better for b
minismurf [-\]: now two black threats turns into at least 1 for white
SpiderWeb [3d\]: dont understand why b did a5
minismurf [-\]: to avoid the "under the stones" SpiderWeb
evave [4k\]: me too
]
;B[mf]C[LeFourBe [5d?\]: b have to play A5 to win the semai
Hasshii [?\]: black missed a6
Hasshii [?\]: instead of b4
]
;W[me]
;B[ld]C[LeFourBe [5d?\]: if b A6, white take and after play B2
minismurf [-\]: c2 a bit difficult for me to understand, but i guess now that white answered he has the bigger threats for later
LeFourBe [5d?\]: i thought too at the begin, but b will die if he played A6
Hasshii [?\]: ah
JoostC [4d\]: White can take the ko now
Hasshii [?\]: dead shape umean?
LeFourBe [5d?\]: yes
LeFourBe [5d?\]: sorry my english sux :)
Hasshii [?\]: mmm
kserks [2k\]: ko
]
;W[mg]C[Hasshii [?\]: u r right lefourbe
Hasshii [?\]: i spoke too fast
LeFourBe [5d?\]: like i did :)
Hasshii [?\]: white pretty crafty if he saw that in advance
]
;B[nf]
;W[ap]C[Hasshii [?\]: maybe he just got lucky :-)
LeFourBe [5d?\]: i dont think so
LeFourBe [5d?\]: anyway M14 was big, now white got too many threat
]
;B[bs]C[kserks [2k\]: a11
]
;W[as]
;B[ao]
;W[kc]
;B[jb]
;W[ap]C[gomate [2d?\]: b3?
RobertBe [7k\]: e2
Muscadet [?\]: o13 offers another ko i think
]
;B[bq]
;W[ds]
;B[ao]
;W[ne]C[fab [-\]: I can't agree with white D1
fab [-\]: white should have played O15 immediately
Muscadet [?\]: it was right, b gets a second eye with a5 after the under the stones play
fab [-\]: white completely wasted a move
derp [1k\]: if not d1, then b a2 lives
]
;B[oe]C[Muscadet [?\]: a2 only 1 eye
JoostC [4d\]: If black p15 White give two ataris and sets up a ladder
derp [1k\]: no, can connect underneath if w b1
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shiu Chang-Li  - Pop Cristian  0-1 (board 6)
fab [-\]: p14 o13 p16 q15 m17 
kenjiro43 [8k\]: Bravo Popic!
kenjiro43 [8k\]: :)
fab [-\]: I don't understand anything to this game anymore
]
;W[ap]
;B[ar]C[JoostC [4d\]: After the second atari black plays m12
]
;W[bs]
;B[ao]
;W[lc]C[JoostC [4d\]: sorry doesn't work
fab [-\]: right, thus white has to play N12 before P16 ?
fab [-\]: sorry,misread
JoostC [4d\]: If black takes four stones he has a reasonable game
fab [-\]: it's not as if he really has a choice, is it ?
Muscadet [?\]: this he will give, w has 5 or six threats and black only 4
LeFourBe [5d?\]: if white had play P14 b would sacrifice and play 016
Greyish [1d\]: b can supress on or two w threats as it is a 2 step ko
fab [-\]: it is a direct ko
Greyish [1d\]: w has to play a11
LeFourBe [5d?\]: 4 more threat for black
fab [-\]: as soon as white plays A11, it's over
Greyish [1d\]: no, b can take it back once
Muscadet [?\]: or is h8 a threat? For b? don´t think so.
fab [-\]: than A10 and ishi no shita
LeFourBe [5d?\]: it s a direct ko
Greyish [1d\]: oh right
]
;B[al]C[Greyish [1d\]: these ones are pretty rare =)
evave [4k\]: wowo?
LeFourBe [5d?\]: not really ;)
]
;W[nc]
;B[ng]C[Muscadet [?\]: great game - very entertaining
JoostC [4d\]: White double hane?
]
;W[of]C[JoostC [4d\]: Or an ordinary move like R9
derp [1k\]: I like b here
JoostC [4d\]: I guess ordinary moves are out of date
]
;B[og]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]C[JoostC [4d\]: White will get good moves at p15 and Q17 but i like the black wall more
JoostC [4d\]: If white R15 can black just Give atari at R14 and give up Q16?
]
;W[qf]
;B[qg]
;W[rg]
;B[rh]
;W[re]
;B[mh]
;W[qc]
;B[kg]C[Samowar [1d\]: hmm
Muscadet [?\]: corner can be reduced  (n18)
JoostC [4d\]: L18 also sente for white
]
;W[qi]
;B[sg]
;W[rf]
;B[lg]
;W[md]
;B[lk]C[Muscadet [?\]: now the w dragon looks vulnerable
monk316 [1k\]: w is playing cancer style go
]
;W[mi]C[BoGoss [2k\]: cancer style?
mianreg [5k\]: ..
Muscadet [?\]: yes l18 sente for w , so perhaps b first tests the upper left
]
;B[pi]
;W[mk]C[minismurf [-\]: if w now something like N9 I wonder a bit what M9 is doing
Muscadet [?\]: w has a lot of points already . B needs at least 5o from his moyo 
minismurf [-\]: Q11 is a strange move, still leaves white with R12 when he wants, or Q10
Godaisuki [1k\]: probably black wants to entice that move to kill the dragon =D
Godaisuki [1k\]: dragon seems eyeless =(
]
;B[ll]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: no
Uberdude [5d?\]: got some gote eyes
Uberdude [5d?\]: b can destroy some in sente at f6 and e5
Uberdude [5d?\]: but too early wwastes ko threats
]
;W[ml]C[RobertBe [7k\]: e5 d3 miai
Uberdude [5d?\]: and w got f2 and k7
JoostC [4d\]: White  takes sente and come back at q10
Uberdude [5d?\]: so some backup plans
minismurf [-\]: well, b is aiming for L11 i guess
kajti [3k\]: how much time do they have left????
JoostC [4d\]: Black needs a move around Q10 of R10 before L11 i think
JoostC [4d\]: And a stone around m7
minismurf [-\]: M7 he definitely needs
minismurf [-\]: but dont think he needs Q10
minismurf [-\]: of course, something like K8 now would be a more aggressive plan, that threatens the cut directlyt
minismurf [-\]: but hard for b to get enough points i think
Uberdude [5d?\]: w got huge profit in upper right
JoostC [4d\]: after K8 w L10, b Q10 threatens N10?
]
;B[qj]
;W[lm]C[minismurf [-\]: so, what are those 2 stones doing now for black?
]
;B[jl]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: stopping w getting eyes
Uberdude [5d?\]: making cuts
]
;W[kl]C[minismurf [-\]: assuming they live, though?
fab [-\]: well, black did tenuki at R10 once, though
minismurf [-\]: sure, but still needs to live with the 2 stones
JoostC [4d\]: black l9 white connect black l8 : black can connect with l11 and K7
minismurf [-\]: otherwise, white is too strong
Muscadet [?\]: those b center stones  are in the soup. 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:04  black 0:07
fab [-\]: l9 l7 k10 ?
fab [-\]: black can save them, but it doesn't look very interesting
minismurf [-\]: but he has to,otherwise white is too thick
Muscadet [?\]: some kind of heavy  metal playing possible? l9 - l7, l11?
minismurf [-\]: in worst case, b will be thick in both cases
minismurf [-\]: w
]
;B[kk]C[fab [-\]: l9 l7 l11 l12 : how does that connect ?
]
;W[km]
;B[jj]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: K10 looks foolhardy
fab [-\]: well, it did look like the only move to connect
minismurf [-\]: w just K7 good enough
]
;W[jm]
;B[ki]C[fab [-\]: any connection around N7 is good enough for white
Uberdude [5d?\]: solid?
fab [-\]: white isn't really weak
Uberdude [5d?\]: or try something fun like n4
]
;W[mn]C[derp [1k\]: who's ahead? seems close to me
fab [-\]: black needs the whole bottom to make it close
]
;B[il]C[JoostC [4d\]: Going for the kill
fab [-\]: not automatically, this move is almost sente
fab [-\]: if black keeps the whole bottom and gets a few points on the right, he can win
JoostC [4d\]: AfterJ6 black must play K5 
bobombera [8k\]: l5
]
;W[im]
;B[hl]C[fab [-\]: ^^
fab [-\]: J6 did look better ^^
fab [-\]: white had a following move at L4 ^^
]
;W[mp]
;B[mq]C[bobombera [8k\]: agree with fab
]
;W[lo]
;B[kp]
;W[np]
;B[nq]
;W[op]
;B[pr]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[qn]
;B[pp]C[fab [-\]: black is being forced too much ^^
fab [-\]: G8 isn't enough compensation
]
;W[rn]C[globax [4d\]: d17?
minismurf [-\]: first test at Q5?
]
;B[gl]
;W[db]
;B[kb]C[fab [-\]: which was bigger, between D17 and G8 ?
]
;W[qk]C[fab [-\]: d17 c17 c18 looked painful
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black in BY
]
;B[pk]C[bobombera [8k\]: w won
]
;W[rj]
;B[pj]C[globax [4d\]: d18 too big
]
;W[ri]C[minismurf [-\]: b still has som dreams about killing the dragon
]
;B[nm]C[Muscadet [?\]: the hole at q5 makesthis not so easy to answer
litlecolek [1d\]: p8
bobombera [8k\]: 8 o
]
;W[ql]C[Lukan [4d\]: eurogotv time?
]
;B[nn]C[Lepenski [1k\]: p8
]
;W[ol]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:48 black BY
Lukan [4d\]: thx
]
;B[po]C[fab [-\]: did white lose ?
minismurf [-\]: i warned him about his dragon and he wouldnt listen :)
fab [-\]: hehe
minismurf [-\]: but i still feel w should be ok
fab [-\]: how to connect ?
]
;W[oo]
;B[pn]C[fab [-\]: white capturing back Q9 is the only thing I see
minismurf [-\]: hmm, looking exceedingly dangerous
minismurf [-\]: capturing back Q9 seems like little consolation if the dragon dies >(
fab [-\]: indeed
Mukti [4d\]: Go Rob!!!!
minismurf [-\]: too bad, need to head out for a bit... but seems game should be practically over within 10 moves
derp [1k\]: if w n7 at some point, m6 is a second eye that seems hard to get rid of
derp [1k\]: because of j4 aji
LeFourBe [5d?\]: seem over
Uberdude [5d?\]: greed is dangerous
Uberdude [5d?\]: w had good game if just defended dragon i ithnk
fab [-\]: black J6 is sente, so M6 still looks like a gote eye to me
]
;W[pl]C[fab [-\]: O_o
]
;B[nl]
;W[nk]
;B[pm]
;W[mm]
;B[ok]C[derp [1k\]: well, we'll see I guess
fab [-\]: is P11 an eye ?
]
;W[oq]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: L5 is sente?
]
;B[or]C[fab [-\]: three gote eyes at P11, F2 and L5 : it's ok
Uberdude [5d?\]: ow is p11 eye?
Godaisuki [1k\]: L5 is sente eh
Godaisuki [1k\]: P11 is eye
Uberdude [5d?\]: p11 q12 
Godaisuki [1k\]: M10?
Godaisuki [1k\]: oops
Uberdude [5d?\]: then o11
Uberdude [5d?\]: kill eye
]
;W[ko]C[Muscadet [?\]: f2 no eye
Dogen [5k\]: F2 makes false eye because of D3 cot
Dogen [5k\]: cut
fab [-\]: F2 is an eye
Godaisuki [1k\]: f2 is one eye
Dogen [5k\]: how?
]
;B[qm]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: f2 is eye
fab [-\]: how do you destroy it ?
Godaisuki [1k\]: give that one =D
Muscadet [?\]: f3 d3
Uberdude [5d?\]: f2 g2 f1 d3 e2 
Godaisuki [1k\]: omg
Godaisuki [1k\]: K4 now?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: last seconds of byo
Lepenski [1k\]: r12
]
;W[jp]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: =D yay
Godaisuki [1k\]: black in trouble
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black has resigned
fujichan [1d\]: ......
Godaisuki [1k\]: =D
fujichan [1d\]: XD
Godaisuki [1k\]: lol at that R7 kyu move
bro [3d\]: cobgratz Csaba
bro [3d\]: *congratz
Uberdude [5d?\]: r7 was  time tesuji i guess
Muscadet [?\]: sorry the game ends with this big a blunder
fab [-\]: this is not really a blunder
fab [-\]: if black answers at K5, he lost anyway
Mukti [4d\]: Iif b had played f2 instead of R7 w looks dead to me
fab [-\]: congratulations to both players though, ver interesting game
Mukti [4d\]: he could then answer K4 with L2
fab [-\]: hmm
globax [4d\]: thx eurogotv3
avio [2d\]: only one more point of SOS for Alex ahead of Catalin
])