(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board2 round1]PW[Burzo Gheorge Cornel]PB[Kim Eunkuk]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-26]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board2 round1]RO[1]PC[Groningen, NL]US[E. Wester]
;B[qd]C[danigabi [6d\]: this seems most ineresting game
OneLuck [2d\]: who is kim eunkuk?
mcw85 [7k\]: Go Cornel. ^^
MssrBlanc [3k\]: he's korean
Joshua96 [5k\]: 7d from korea :p
danigabi [6d\]: its almost eunuc
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: He's from Seoul
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Cornel is not yet at the board
OneLuck [2d\]: why are not they showing the games where professionals plays? 
danigabi [6d\]: again arriving late
Joshua96 [5k\]: already started? :o
mcw85 [7k\]: Will there be video feed?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Today there's a video feed on board 1 only
Joshua96 [5k\]: who is playing at board 1?
mcw85 [7k\]: Okay, thanks. Can you go steal the camera?
Tabemasu [7d\]: Is there a site where I can see pairings
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I don't think the site is public yet, it's on an intranet
Tabemasu [7d\]: I see
mishik [6k\]: Is Cornel - the KGS+ teacher Cornel?
MssrBlanc [3k\]: Yes
mishik [6k\]: wow :)
mishik [6k\]: I played him once ^_^
MssrBlanc [3k\]: Is the main time 1:50, or 1:15? The first demonstration has a different time
BurzoS [2d\]: GO CORNELLLLLLLLLLLLL
danigabi [6d\]: biased kibitz
holynec [?\]: is it really spelled Gheorge?
danigabi [6d\]: the corruption, the humanity!
BurzoS [2d\]: GHEORGHE is in romanian 
BurzoS [2d\]: like GEORGE in english :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: The main time is 2:30 and byoyomi is 60 seconds. The first board has it wrong (little mistake)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Cornel has arrived
MssrBlanc [3k\]: wow, is that time limit just for the top section?
danigabi [6d\]: you have to give him a watch for his birthday, Burzos :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 3k would get 1:30
BurzoS [2d\]: he has one :)
MssrBlanc [3k\]: I have to make it to European congress some day.  Over here, it's 60 min for normal players, 90 minutes for top
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;W[dd]
;B[pp]C[BurzoS [2d\]: can you tell me please POP Cristian playing against who ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Sorry, I can't go check now
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;W[dq]C[BurzoS [2d\]: thank you 
BurzoS [2d\]: any link with the pairing list ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Not yet I'm afraid, it will be online later
BurzoS [2d\]: OK
mishik [6k\]: How come someone can be 7d?
BurzoS [2d\]: thanks again 
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;B[fc]C[mishik [6k\]: I thought 6ama dan is top for ama...
danigabi [6d\]: no rank discussion please
Joshua96 [5k\]: winning some tournaments in korea
danigabi [6d\]: ask outside
OneLuck [2d\]: 7d is the max
OneLuck [2d\]: but if you are really strong you can be 8d. 
OneLuck [2d\]: and if you then get even stronger you can be 10d
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: only if you win the juudan tournament
wannagame: but your EGF rank will still only say 7d :)
BurzoS [2d\]: Cornel will attack top right 
danigabi [6d\]: u  mean p16?
BurzoS [2d\]: yes 
BurzoS [2d\]: and after p17 -o17 and then tenuki
OneLuck [2d\]: lolololol go players are ugly
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;W[hc]C[BurzoS [2d\]: or smtg like that 
BurzoS [2d\]: hmmm weird 
BurzoS [2d\]: not his style :))
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;B[oc]C[BurzoS [2d\]: maybe he-s sleepy  after long driving 
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;W[cf]
;B[pj]
;W[kd]
;B[do]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white just passed 2 hours left on his clock
royalty [4d\]: i think this fuseki favours black a little
wannagame: f17 still has a lot of aji.
royalty [4d\]: hmh, he has used 30 minutes already?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: He was late
tornemhi [1d\]: lol
Dogen [5k\]: you mean if you're late the game starts?
tornemhi [1d\]: 1 bioyome 1 minute? true?
Dogen [5k\]: rather than just being a forfeit?
Tobamf [20k?\]: Are the players rankings EGF?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: The game started at 10:00
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: CET
zc3k [1k\]: cornel not 7d?
mcw85 [7k\]: That's GMT+1, I think.
Tobamf [20k?\]: not 7d EGF
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Rankings are EGF yes
zc3k [1k\]: what is EGF?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: European Go Federation
mcw85 [7k\]: European Go Federation
zc3k [1k\]: ty
Tobamf [20k?\]: what is ty?
numuri [2d\]: Is Catalin at the Congress?
zc3k [1k\]: arigado
royalty [4d\]: to
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: He is
yypo [5d\]: Exotic Go Freaks
Tobamf [20k?\]: Catalin is 5p?
mcw85 [7k\]: Breakfast is also there.
numuri [2d\]: Who is he playing?
numuri [2d\]: Catalin
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;W[fp]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: Catalin from Romania, correct?
BurzoS [2d\]: yes 
Tobamf [20k?\]: is he 5p still, or did he go up?
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;B[cq]
;W[cr]
;B[cl]C[BurzoS [2d\]: 5 pro 
Tobamf [20k?\]: ty
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;W[nq]C[BurzoS [2d\]: you need to go in Asia for moving pro levels up 
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;B[pn]C[tornemhi [1d\]: who give the pro title?
BurzoS [2d\]: Catalin came back and is trying to encourage GO game all over Europe now
tornemhi [1d\]: state go federation?
Tobamf [20k?\]: that's cool
]
;W[pr]C[tornemhi [1d\]: but who gave catalin pro title?
BurzoS [2d\]: Nihon KI federation gives the pro levels 
numuri [2d\]: Nihon Kiin
Tobamf [20k?\]: yeah
BurzoS [2d\]: Kiin**
tornemhi [1d\]: nihon kiin is.... ¿?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Catalin became pro in Japan, Alexandr Dinerchtein e.g. in Korea
siulongbao [7k\]: is this cornel .. like cornel from kgs ?
tornemhi [1d\]: internation federation or something?
BurzoS [2d\]: yes
Tobamf [20k?\]: I heard Alex got an honorary pro title though, is it true?
yithril [2d\]: yeah for studying for so long
Tobamf [20k?\]: hes still quite strong
numuri [2d\]: Nihon Kiin is Japanese Go Association
MssrBlanc [3k\]: he estimated somewhere that the korean professionals were 1 stone stronger than him
numuri [2d\]: An association of japanese go professional players
Novalys [2k\]: black C4
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Nihon Kiin also trains insei to become pro
Tobamf [20k?\]: thnx MssrBlanc
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;B[dc]
;W[cc]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: who hands out pro levels in Korea?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Korean Baduk Association I think
Tobamf [20k?\]: and China?
Novalys [2k\]: china weiqi asso ?
Novalys [2k\]: :p
mcw85 [7k\]: Chinese Weiqi Association.
numuri [2d\]: look for all that out in sensei's library :)
Tobamf [20k?\]: how do these 3 organizations reconcile pro levels?
Violence [-\]: What do you mean?
mcw85 [7k\]: They are independent.
Fuzzi [4d?\]: They do international tournaments quite often
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: If you want information not related to this game, please check senseis.xmp.net ;)
Violence [-\]: Pros don't have "levels," the ranks are measure of achievement, not skill
Tobamf [20k?\]: right, so if Japanese pro plays Korean pro, is J 1p = K 1p, or how do they match up?
Violence [-\]: Depends on the Jpn pro and the Krn pro
mcw85 [7k\]: One wins and one loses.
weirdchess [5k\]: theres not that much difference between the pro ranks
Tobamf [20k?\]: hrm, but there must be some similarity in ability, or the games would be short and boring
Violence [-\]: to prevent games from being short and boring, most international tournaments have qualifiers
yypo [5d\]: there's 'strong' 9p and 'weak' 9p
weirdchess [5k\]: a 3p is probably about 45% to win against a 6p, for example
spherical [-\]: EuroGoTV2 [-\]: If you want information not related to this game, please check senseis.xmp.net ;)
Tobamf [20k?\]: oh, good point, V
Violence [-\]: I doubt it, weirdchess
MssrBlanc [3k\]: I'm going to make a senseis page "Basic Facts About Rank For KGS Kibbitzers"
yithril [2d\]: i dont think pro ranks really should be taken as anything more than a marker of experience
mcw85 [7k\]: Include "What is [lower rank\] white?"
Violence [-\]: pro ranks are also received differently.
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;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[db]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: yithril--the new systems reward strength--you have to win major titles to get the top ranks
Violence [-\]: back in the 90s, pro rank increased differently than it does now
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;W[ed]
;B[cd]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: e.g. http://senseis.xmp.net/?NihonKiInNewPromotionSystem
yithril [2d\]: heard about it
]
;W[bc]C[yithril [2d\]: hmm
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;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[ba]
;W[eb]C[yithril [2d\]: i like black overall but that's just me
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;B[ac]C[royalty [4d\]: nothing wrong in liking black's position
Violence [-\]: I think black succeeded in the opening, personally
yypo [5d\]: i'm not too sure about the virtues of L16
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't ike f4 as an answer to the one space high appoach.
Tobamf [20k?\]: I like black as well
yypo [5d\]: but F4 definitely made life easy for b
siulongbao [7k\]: how do u draw in this game ?
yithril [2d\]: with pink
mcw85 [7k\]: Draw not possible.
siulongbao [7k\]: wats jigo ?
Tobamf [20k?\]: jigo only happens when komi is a whole number
Tobamf [20k?\]: or can only happen when
yypo [5d\]: there's nothing wong with F4 by itself, though
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;W[qq]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: when is c11 important?
Tobamf [20k?\]: c11/c10?
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;B[qp]C[yypo [5d\]: it's just, w doesn't seem to make use of his strength at C14
yithril [2d\]: also violence, its nice to know im not the only person up at 5 am
mcw85 [7k\]: 5am here as well.
MssrBlanc [3k\]: me three..I was wondering if you guys were on eastern time
dutch2dan [?\]: 5 am here too
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: It's 11:03 AM here now
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;W[co]C[yypo [5d\]: ha, C5
yypo [5d\]: i was wondering if this might be worse than w C4
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;B[cp]
;W[dp]
;B[bo]
;W[cn]
;B[bn]C[yypo [5d\]: b will happily sacrifice D5
royalty [4d\]: w losing rapidly
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;W[br]
;B[dn]C[yypo [5d\]: ooh
royalty [4d\]: the top formation too overconcentrated and this bottom not that big either
yypo [5d\]: bad for w
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;W[ci]C[Thmayu [3d\]: b n3?
yypo [5d\]: now C11 is approaching b thickness
ketchup [2k\]: k15?
ketchup [2k\]: or 16
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;B[hq]C[royalty [4d\]: well, it does build up some chance later to perhaps threaten the black group
yypo [5d\]: royal: sorry, then w really shouldn't have played C5 in the first place
silver2k4 [5d\]: counterattack? this is true strength or plain overplay
royalty [4d\]: right, c5 was bad
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;W[kq]C[royalty [4d\]: but thinking in terms of what could white possible do instead of c11, it's not that bad
yypo [5d\]: i think w C4, b C5, w B3, b C11 is ok for w
minismurf [-\]: b aiming down to F2 now?
yypo [5d\]: w takes profit, and can optionally sacrifice C14
silver2k4 [5d\]: why should white take gote with you sequence?
minismurf [-\]: not usual plan to sac. c14 though?
yypo [5d\]: for you, maybe ^^
yypo [5d\]: jk. if b has played C11, it's just a little easier to contemplate the sacrifice
Tobamf [20k?\]: black leads?
minismurf [-\]: well, next b move, F2?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: Are these games special?...
yithril [2d\]: i was thinking like k4 or something but hey
Violence [-\]: I like just jumping out to H5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w is taking a smoke break
spherical [-\]: f2 looks good to me
Tobamf [20k?\]: after all these good suggestions, it's only fitting that black tenuki's
yypo [5d\]: almost any move will work for b
silver2k4 [5d\]: it felt better for w to take sente to make sth in upper right instead of c11 which is slow
yypo [5d\]: yes. C11 running towards thickness
silver2k4 [5d\]: if he want to attack, he may wish later c11 is c10
Violence [-\]: Cornel's opening ideas always unnerved me
Violence [-\]: so odd
takanashi [7d\]: need smoke after this opening, indeed :)
yypo [5d\]: heh, b just might become over-confident
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;B[go]C[yypo [5d\]: great
yypo [5d\]: no-one suggested this move? 
yypo [5d\]: ^^
silver2k4 [5d\]: any move works, you said
yypo [5d\]: oh ok
yypo [5d\]: so, i sort of predicted this
spherical [-\]: good call, yypo
silver2k4 [5d\]: yea
yithril [2d\]: pretty much, i wouldn't think to close white in here
yypo [5d\]: b puts on maximum pressure
yypo [5d\]: to setlle himself, while leaving w few optionss
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w has returned
yypo [5d\]: settle*
silver2k4 [5d\]: white of course needs a good spliting attack
yypo [5d\]: there is none
yypo [5d\]: w too weak himself in lower left
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;W[gp]C[yithril [2d\]: i guess just living with it is unsatisfactory
]
;B[hp]
;W[ho]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: just living is resign for me
yypo [5d\]: you guessed right
yypo [5d\]: K4
yypo [5d\]: then if w L4, what?
tornemhi [1d\]: how to attack rigth side?
yithril [2d\]: ?
yithril [2d\]: attack right sight?
silver2k4 [5d\]: what right side? the living stones you mean?
yithril [2d\]: *side
yypo [5d\]: tor, yit: you didn't answer my question 
yypo [5d\]: ^^
tornemhi [1d\]: yes
tornemhi [1d\]: the living stones + the corner
yithril [2d\]: you asked a question?
tornemhi [1d\]: lol yes
yypo [5d\]: oh, never mind. is b having a pee?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Black just passed the 2:00 mark, white has 1:39 left
silver2k4 [5d\]: usually u make forcing moves like m4 m3 o4. maybe this is what you mean?
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;B[jp]C[yypo [5d\]: eh no
tornemhi [1d\]: haha no
yithril [2d\]: i guess if l4 then he can drive out
yypo [5d\]: how?
yithril [2d\]: h6 k5 combo thing but dunno if that's any good
yypo [5d\]: allright
yithril [2d\]: i have little judgement :)
yithril [2d\]: i can tell you what might appen just dunno if its good
silver2k4 [5d\]: i dont think the combo helps black here
yypo [5d\]: why not?
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;W[gn]C[yypo [5d\]: oh. w backtracks
silver2k4 [5d\]: well, cuz it feels like bad shape
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;B[lp]C[yypo [5d\]: but the books say, b J5 is bad shape
]
;W[kp]C[yypo [5d\]: because b is pushing from behind
silver2k4 [5d\]: which book?
silver2k4 [5d\]: j5 almost makes an eye
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;B[ko]
;W[lq]
;B[mp]
;W[np]C[yypo [5d\]: elementary tesuji, davies
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;B[no]C[yypo [5d\]: ishida dictionary
silver2k4 [5d\]: and the combo is not pushing from behind so? :)
yithril [2d\]: i like black more now
StefanRadu [1d?\]: succes cornel
yypo [5d\]: well, afterH6, w J5, b K5, w J6, b can take liberty on r side
yypo [5d\]: either L5 or K3
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;W[lo]C[siulongbao [7k\]: whites right side
siulongbao [7k\]: seems soo big
yypo [5d\]: and G5 still cutting
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;B[io]
;W[kn]
;B[hn]C[yithril [2d\]: lol
]
;W[fn]C[StefanRadu [1d?\]: difficult for w.
silver2k4 [5d\]: so the move on the head of two stones makes the diffence
silver2k4 [5d\]: ic
siulongbao [7k\]: how much time do they have left
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white 1:33, black 1:47
Kantid [4k\]: it minutes and seconds, or hours and minutes?
rewtr: white better now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hours and minutes
spherical [-\]: ..
Oloril [1k\]: wow, that's enough time you could kick back and take a nap
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w is taking another smoke break
Violence [-\]: nicotene infusion!
BurzoS [2d\]: he smoke only halfe of ciggs:)
BurzoS [2d\]: half**
rewtr: H8 only move for black
spherical [-\]: you sure?
yypo [5d\]: after b N5, b has an interesting option at N3, w N2, b O2
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;B[gm]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black has e5 too
yypo [5d\]: right. w has some bad aji
Rencber [9k\]: eurogotv, is there any link that we can watch this match?
yypo [5d\]: G7 another very forceful move
yypo [5d\]: presumably, b wants to hane after w F7
spherical [-\]: w must f7?
leachy [13k\]: e7
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;W[fm]
;B[fl]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: What about right side?
tornemhi [1d\]: h7 ?
yypo [5d\]: now if w E8, b cuts
tornemhi [1d\]: looks like w can hurt cutting that group
silver2k4 [5d\]: right side? no first white needs a reason for his playing in the lower side :)
yypo [5d\]: powerful play by b here
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;W[bp]
;B[cm]
;W[co]C[Badduck [5d\]: g8?
DragonXiao [7k\]: b should ignore
AshenShugr [?\]: then why not ignore the previous move?
weirdchess [5k\]: what in the world is the point of c5?
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;B[eo]C[tornemhi [1d\]: let attack b group
DragonXiao [7k\]: because the perviousmove would allow c7 follow up
rewtr: this is mistake
tornemhi [1d\]: and does cutting g8 has more sense
Badduck [5d\]: i dont believe in e5
DragonXiao [7k\]: silly badduck, no such thing as a good duck
tornemhi [1d\]: that ko is a bit danger later 
]
;W[fo]C[mafutrct [-\]: ..f2?
Badduck [5d\]: whats the point of e5?
]
;B[gl]C[rewtr: no point just mistake
DragonXiao [7k\]: im confused
tornemhi [1d\]: which dan are you rewtr
mafutrct [-\]: rewtr very strong, is able to judge mistakes without sequences
rewtr: only gain is F2 but not so much
]
;W[gr]C[DragonXiao [7k\]: why do these players have 150 minutes
DragonXiao [7k\]: but the other players only 75?
silver2k4 [5d\]: f2 for b is the only reason i see for e5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: main time: 2:30, byoyomi: 60 seconds
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: board 1 is incorrect
DragonXiao [7k\]: ahh
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it cannot be changed after start sadly
spherical [-\]: tenuki?
Badduck [5d\]: cant u add stones ?!
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;B[pq]
;W[qr]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: losing sente here is really bad
tornemhi [1d\]: r13 :?
tornemhi [1d\]: or q13
tornemhi [1d\]: looks big
siulongbao [7k\]: r13 yeh
mafutrct [-\]: r13 too flat
mafutrct [-\]: p15 possibly?
tornemhi [1d\]: looks slow :=?
silver2k4 [5d\]: n5 for b has aji
rewtr: N17
mafutrct [-\]: n17 seems wrong direction
mafutrct [-\]: w can even answer m15
silver2k4 [5d\]: n5 k5 n3 n2 o2 ?
silver2k4 [5d\]: no :)
silver2k4 [5d\]: bad sequence
rewtr: this game is over, white ahead
tornemhi [1d\]: whaaaaaaaat?
mafutrct [-\]: silver, because of k3 atari?
silver2k4 [5d\]: hehe, yea that was stupid
Oloril [1k\]: if this game is over then I am a jelly fish
rewtr: white almost 10 points ahead
mafutrct [-\]: n5 looks like a big weakness but its difficult to use, it seems :)
rewtr: with komi
mafutrct [-\]: rewtr, what did you count? :)
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;B[md]C[spherical [-\]: ah!
Uberdude [4d?\]: plonk a stone at n11 
rewtr: black prefer the wrong direction as me
rewtr: a little high
mafutrct [-\]: black plays high, unlike you ;P
silver2k4 [5d\]: why is it wrong`?
rewtr: S16 now for white
mafutrct [-\]: btw i counted b +4
rewtr: and then E10 for white
Daoloth [-\]: w should invade somewhere
silver2k4 [5d\]: he will
rewtr: not need to invade, only probe once at S16
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;W[el]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: oh still atacking mood
rewtr: this is vulgar, to early
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;B[dj]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: right side is really huge. w only has small extension and low stones
rewtr: E10 was the right move here for white
cadaver [1k\]: says oracle
mafutrct [-\]: his name is difficult to pronounce, that means he must be right :)
silver2k4 [5d\]: e10 hinders white to attack further later
Oloril [1k\]: personally I'm glad that all the guests on the server are actually 9p, it means KGS is a really strong server
expat [4d?\]: e10 could just as well be aji keshi
yypo [5d\]: i have to say, i can't really agree with E5
silver2k4 [5d\]: still e5? :) yeah looked strange to me too
rewtr: e 10 increase white moyo and keep presure on black
yypo [5d\]: b F5, w E5, b H5, w E6, b E7 and b has a solid shape
rewtr: now black safe
rewtr: now black is active
yypo [5d\]: also, any of the moves E2, F2 and H2 remain sente for b
yypo [5d\]: that seems better than E5
silver2k4 [5d\]: what do we know against 7d? :)
mi1 [2k\]: someone know when roln play his game ?
yypo [5d\]: well, you have to learn to judge for yourself, not just by ranking
yypo [5d\]: 7d also make mistakes. the problem is noticing them
silver2k4 [5d\]: actually white defended at g2 because of e5 so black got sente. that must be reason enough
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;W[qe]C[rewtr: oh white lose control, game soon over
mafutrct [-\]: b r13?
]
;B[qg]C[mpx13 [5d\]: korean 7d too strong
rewtr: not easy to beat them
Uberdude [4d?\]: sure is
Uberdude [4d?\]: use a club
expat [4d?\]: :P
yypo [5d\]: i still think, sente in lower left was not worth it
yypo [5d\]: w F5 also makes a difference for lower right aji
yypo [5d\]: and w has a chance for complications
SakuNai: what about S-1
yithril [2d\]: s16 right or what?
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;W[qh]C[mpx13 [5d\]: chaos
yithril [2d\]: wasnt expecting that
silver2k4 [5d\]: never saw that one
yypo [5d\]: w is aiming at R17
yypo [5d\]: at last, an interesting position ^^
yithril [2d\]: r14 is out. ..
arttle [3k\]: Are there a live video of this game?
yithril [2d\]: hmm
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: today only board 1 has a live video feed
yithril [2d\]: q13?
arttle [3k\]: thanks
mircofanti [1k\]: fooorzaaa Corneeel!!
yypo [5d\]: is it break time?
mircofanti [1k\]: spacca il culo a questi coreani
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: board 1 is having a break, board 2 is still busy
silver2k4 [5d\]: when is second round?
rewtr: where we can find the first round ?
rewtr: the parinring
rewtr: pairings
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=schedule but pairings are not yet publicly online
rewtr: thx
silver2k4 [5d\]: ah start is always 10am
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 10 am CET (GMT+1) yes
kairos [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1469
rewtr: wow great
rewtr: thx kairos
]
;B[qi]
;W[pd]C[yithril [2d\]: hmm
]
;B[pc]C[yithril [2d\]: s15 is iffy, doesn't look good when i read it so atari and then r 14?
takanashi [7d\]: come on ,Burnel shows so spectacular magic and we cant see his face ?!
]
;W[ph]
;B[rh]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white 1:00, black 1:15
]
;W[pg]
;B[rg]
;W[pf]C[takanashi [7d\]: now it became even worse, chinese girl cheat and we can watch her online ,whiile she is eatig apple
yypo [5d\]: mmm. Q14 doesn't even threaten to capture R16
takanashi [7d\]: analyzing the game with oh chimin, poor Igor - no chance against this mafia
yithril [2d\]: this just looks heavy
yithril [2d\]: taka you r hilarious :)
takanashi [7d\]: seriously, this is not correct
OneLuck [2d\]: I see no apple
mpx13 [5d\]: Cornel [ 6d*\]: try to play flexible shapes, not heavy ones
]
;B[di]C[silver2k4 [5d\]: they are heavy flexible
takanashi [7d\]: :))) Who is this guy ? Janssen Joris Shuko
Akisame [8k\]: where is cho seok-bin
silver2k4 [5d\]: which guy?
anicca [2d?\]: and where is oh 
]
;W[hm]C[Akisame [8k\]: cho seok-bin = bin7674
Rohirrim [4d\]: i like this (h7)
]
;B[jn]
;W[hl]
;B[hk]
;W[il]C[wikkawakka: Empty triangle is bad shape
]
;B[km]
;W[jo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: in its basic form it is, but sometimes it's the only move
Uberdude [4d?\]: empty triangle is sometimes good shape
fractic [1k\]: empty triangle bad shape, alternatives bad moves
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Yes, e.g. when butting through and cutting
Uberdude [4d?\]: 30ks play lots of emptpy trinagles
Uberdude [4d?\]: then you get to 10k and don't play any
]
;B[ep]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: then you get to pro and play lots again
]
;W[eq]
;B[ko]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: as you actually read for good moves instead of stupidly following proverbs
vdust [2k\]: an empty triangle can be good if you have plans to make it good shape in the future. 
Uberdude [4d?\]: it could be good shape now
OneLuck [2d\]: who is winning?
jSd [8k\]: me
vdust [2k\]: just count and you will have an idea
wikkawakka: We are, for getting to watch such a fantastic game :)
]
;W[gk]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b is away
]
;B[fk]
;W[gj]
;B[ek]
;W[jo]
;B[gq]
;W[fq]
;B[ko]C[StefanRadu [1d?\]: d9 maybe?
Uberdude [4d?\]: j10 ?
]
;W[qc]
;B[rd]
;W[jo]
;B[jm]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: i gues w wasn't want to compromise
Uberdude [4d?\]: and make b connect
mpx13 [5d\]: b 2 weak groups
mpx13 [5d\]: w
izuviel [-\]: go Cornel !!!
mpx13 [5d\]: izuviel [-\]: go Cornel !!!
wikkawakka: mpx13 [5d\]: izuviel [-\]: go Cornel !!!
StefanRadu [1d?\]: wikkawakka: mpx13 [5d\]: izuviel [-\]: go Cornel !!!
]
;W[ij]C[gyomome [1d\]: StefanRadu [1d?\]: wikkawakka: mpx13 [5d\]: izuviel [-\]: go Cornel !!!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Cornel went
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so now it's Kim's turn to go again :P
pantaleon [1d\]: :-)
]
;B[ko]C[bejenie [12k\]: as predicted :))
Uberdude [4d?\]: n13 feels important point
Uberdude [4d?\]: l9 too
]
;W[oj]
;B[ok]
;W[nj]
;B[mo]
;W[jq]
;B[ch]
;W[nk]C[LeDonc [1k\]: how is n13 important?
]
;B[ln]C[wikkawakka: How much time do they have left?
yithril [2d\]: n15?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white: 0:41, black: 1:00
wikkawakka: thanks
mpx13 [5d\]: Q9
StefanRadu [1d?\]: q9huge
]
;W[me]
;B[ne]
;W[mf]
;B[ld]
;W[ke]
;B[kj]
;W[re]
;B[rc]
;W[pk]
;B[qk]
;W[ol]
;B[ql]C[Daoloth [-\]: m17 is quite big as well
]
;W[bh]C[Daoloth [-\]: (for w)
]
;B[bi]
;W[cg]
;B[dh]
;W[pi]
;B[qj]C[BurzoS [2d\]: f13
KissMyBat [6k\]: cornel has taken off his shoes so to make sure he will win
KissMyBat [6k\]: hehe
dado [1k\]: F 13 IS OK FOR W
cadaver [1k\]: fantastic joke
pel [2k?\]: chemical warfare?
pony16 [11k\]: L8
opon: black still ahead in my opinion
cadaver [1k\]: m17
LugPaj [2d\]: b has many cash
dado [1k\]: yes b it is ahead
]
;W[kk]
;B[jk]C[dado [1k\]: b l17?
StefanRadu [1d?\]: depending on how this goes on . we`ll know whos the lucky winner
]
;W[jj]C[huffle [1d\]: w is clearly winning
]
;B[lk]
;W[ki]
;B[kl]C[elligain [10k\]: cleary ?
pony16 [11k\]: clearly? lol
]
;W[li]C[pel [2k?\]: i guess not so clearly
pel [2k?\]: or black would resign
StefanRadu [1d?\]: no . clearly is not proper
opon: yea clearly winning if the winner is the one that has less points on the board at the end of the game
dado [1k\]: g 12 ?
]
;B[or]
;W[nr]
;B[oq]
;W[os]
;B[hr]C[Mukti [4d\]: b seems quite Ok tio me...
pel [2k?\]: i still prefer black
dado [1k\]: w f 12
dado [1k\]: win
Uberdude [4d?\]: cornel pretty cool at centre
Uberdude [4d?\]: was b moyo
cadaver [1k\]: w got center territory from nothing
cadaver [1k\]: yeah
izuviel [-\]: w will get a lot from centre so not so bad hey
Uberdude [4d?\]: now he made it his, tohught probably not enough
opon: yea  he  made the difference  smaller
StefanRadu [1d?\]: j2
Uberdude [4d?\]: h2 hufe
Mukti [4d\]: w must eb careful to make both groups live...
elligain [10k\]: yes
Muscadet [?\]: s4
opon: live and take keep huge center looks impossible
harlej9 [2k\]: the left bottom cant be killed, so 1 probl off
harlej9 [2k\]: right? :)
Daoloth [-\]: w could tenuki here
opon: i can  only see this game developing with w getting smaller and black bigger
Mukti [4d\]: If tenuki w dies after b S3
LugPaj [2d\]: har, how about right bottom?
StefanRadu [1d?\]: j2?
harlej9 [2k\]: LugPaj, that why I said 1 probl off
harlej9 [2k\]: I would play j2 maybe
harlej9 [2k\]: what do U think?
Dita [3d\]: no way for w to win
dado [1k\]: w s3 sente?
zxccxz [2d?\]: f12 or f13 seems biggest
dado [1k\]:  w it alive can play tenuky
]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[sq]C[dado [1k\]: but is gote
dado [1k\]: now
Mukti [4d\]: S4 essential to make life
]
;B[ik]
;W[gh]
;B[ef]C[dado [1k\]: big
dado [1k\]: w f15
]
;W[de]
;B[fe]C[Mukti [4d\]: sure win for b now
dado [1k\]: yes
cadaver [1k\]: pity
dado [1k\]: yes
dado [1k\]: w play well untin now
Mukti [4d\]: These superstrong players make it look so simple...
]
;W[fd]
;B[ge]C[dado [1k\]: think s 4 was not so good
harlej9 [2k\]: h14?
Mukti [4d\]: no choice for s4
izuviel [-\]: now w center will be ruined
]
;W[lb]C[dado [1k\]: big
]
;B[mb]
;W[lc]
;B[mc]
;W[so]
;B[rn]C[dado [1k\]: w e 13 cut?
harlej9 [2k\]: not really
Mukti [4d\]: I count about 40 for white
harlej9 [2k\]: e13- d13 and f13
dado [1k\]: wh14
Mukti [4d\]: 53+ for black
Mukti [4d\]: +5 extra captures for b
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]C[Mukti [4d\]: so about 10 ahead and b is extremely solid everywhere
]
;W[if]
;B[nf]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: How big is b13?
dado [1k\]: b l17 cut?
Dita [3d\]: J17 next?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: White: 0:25, black: 0:57
elligain [10k\]: thanks
mpx13 [5d\]: b win
pony16 [11k\]: P5
Mukti [4d\]: w will prob. resign now
dado [1k\]: yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: White resigned
dado [1k\]: ok
pony16 [11k\]: GG
dado [1k\]: gg
Javaness [2d\]: thanks Eurogotv2
pony16 [11k\]: ty
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Thank you for watching this game, I hope you enjoyed it
harlej9 [2k\]: thx
Mukti [4d\]: Thanks a lot
elligain [10k\]: thanks
plusguy [-\]: id rly like an actuall european to win championship for a change
Javaness [2d\]: could happen
Violence [-\]: I never understood all that hype
Violence [-\]: but I'm not going to get into it
pel [2k?\]: actually.. a european winns the championship every time
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Bye bye, gonna have some lunch
pel [2k?\]: but they don't win the tournament so often
BigJimBeef [16k\]: to my inexperianced eye it looks like white is ahead slightly?
melvyn900 [?\]: yes white looks like it could win
melvyn900 [?\]: i may be a new person
melvyn900 [?\]: but i can tell
])