(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 3 round 2]PW[Hwang In-Seong]PB[Csaba Mero]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-07-27]EV[Main]RO[2]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[KR]BT[HU]US[kamyszyn]C[yithril [2d\]: go hungary!!!
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;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]
;W[dc]C[mikimaki: Hajrá Magyarország!!!
]
;B[ce]
;W[ed]
;B[ci]
;W[ck]C[mikimaki: Hajrá Csaba!!!
]
;B[dg]
;W[po]C[zuzka1 [3k\]: Go Csaba GO
Akisame [8k\]: go in-seong
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;B[pl]
;W[no]
;B[nq]
;W[lp]
;B[lr]
;W[qq]
;B[qr]C[duha: i'm hungry!
]
;W[np]
;B[mq]
;W[pi]
;B[nl]
;W[ok]C[takanashi [7d\]: Come on, hope all European are Csaba´s fan ....
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;B[ol]
;W[ll]C[zxccxz [2d?\]: csaba will be slaughtered
zxccxz [2d?\]: though i am hoping he could win
]
;B[nj]
;W[qf]
;B[pj]
;W[qj]
;B[qk]
;W[qi]C[hui [1k\]: even chinese and japanese are Csaba fans
duha: Where is w from?
frukk: korea
duha: tnx
]
;B[of]
;W[ni]C[yithril [2d\]: hanguk
Orc [4d\]: csaba is good player I hope he doesn't make huge misread in endgame like he did
menchi [?\]: against  who?
]
;B[oj]
;W[oi]
;B[lk]
;W[kl]
;B[mi]
;W[mh]
;B[li]C[holynec [?\]: go Hwang!
gospiller [10k?\]: Do the players have kgs-nick names?
menchi [?\]: w is crowis
gospiller [10k?\]: ok, thanks
]
;W[nc]
;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[oc]C[dutchman [3d\]: iirc b is aromo
]
;W[mc]C[menchi [?\]: yes
]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]
;B[pe]
;W[re]
;B[rd]
;W[rf]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - both players 2:06 left
duha: what's wrong with n14?
]
;B[qc]C[SSStylish [3k?\]: r17 probably :P
duha: :\]
]
;W[id]
;B[qp]
;W[qo]
;B[pp]C[M4TTY [2k\]: pls can u past link to the results? i cannot find it ...
]
;W[ml]C[frukk: yes, i can't find it either
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
M4TTY [2k\]: thx.. i found it... u have to click on WALL LIST on official page
]
;B[mk]
;W[kq]C[frukk: wes, but in the morning it wasn't there
takanashi [7d\]: how about pairings for 2nd round?
frukk: right
frukk: and winning prizes?
yithril [2d\]: c3?
Lionking [2d\]: black is small everywhere
yithril [2d\]: nah that like gives white big thing
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are not online probably
frukk: those are inportant informations...
hui [1k\]: just F3?
]
;B[cn]C[dxxd [-\]: the thing you can often see between european and asian top players is the difference in flexibility / dynamics
hui [1k\]: C3 gives a huge center to white
dxxd [-\]: imo
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there is only one game in top 8 boards that is with 2 europeans - Alexandre Dinerchtein vs Ilya Shikshin
holynec [?\]: ooooo
holynec [?\]: i wish that game was being broadcasted :[
menchi [?\]: lets hope it will find its way to gosensations :)
frukk: yeah, why just 1 board is broadcasted?
Processus [2k\]: D7 here
Kyuss [1k\]: board 1 is usually the most important
]
;W[dn]C[frukk: i know it, i didn't mean it.
dxxd [-\]: mean pointwise game vs shapewise game
frukk: just one single board is broadcasted on EGC ...
frukk: it is a big event
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 3 on kgs
frukk: they should have more
holynec [?\]: but people cant be at 2 places at once
holynec [?\]: ;)
frukk: online it is possible
holynec [?\]: would be bad to comment on 2 games at once
frukk: there were several competitions where they could solbe that
frukk: solve
]
;B[co]C[frukk: but okay
frukk: it is good to watch on KGS
Processus [2k\]: c 4
Kyuss [1k\]: d5 
jakontin [4k\]: c7
]
;W[cp]
;B[do]
;W[eo]C[Processus [2k\]: haha :P
]
;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[cl]
;W[ep]
;B[dk]
;W[kr]C[Akisame [8k\]: huge
Processus [2k\]: he has coin and moyo xD
Processus [2k\]: with is grezt
Processus [2k\]: great
]
;B[hm]C[Processus [2k\]: c 16 and he wins the game
]
;W[hn]
;B[bc]C[Processus [2k\]: j 14
Chilltime [2k\]: b is quite overconcentrated on the left side
Chilltime [2k\]: i think m12 :-)
]
;W[ef]C[Processus [2k\]: m 12 slow
Processus [2k\]: yes tobi great
]
;B[jm]C[Chilltime [2k\]: this is getting quite hard for b no?
]
;W[im]
;B[jl]C[hui [1k\]: i never see black groups so strong...
hui [1k\]: hope he could get something from this
Jocky [3d\]: Catalin taranu what bord he played?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 5
Jocky [3d\]: cristian pop?
crouik [?\]: EuroGoTV3, please see your private chat
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ok
Jocky [3d\]: lol
Jocky [3d\]: :))
]
;W[jn]
;B[il]
;W[in]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: sooo sloooowwww
hui [1k\]: internet makes time going longer
Akisame [8k\]: where can i find the pairings of round 2?
tupinoz [4k\]: where can I find results of round 1
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: results -> wall list (in menu on the left)
]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]
;B[km]
;W[lo]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:37, black 1:39
jarod57 [6k?\]: time left or time used pls ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: left
jarod57 [6k?\]: thx
]
;B[mm]C[bryan1986 [-\]: What is byo-yomi for these games?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: one minute
]
;W[nm]C[JoshDC [10k\]: l9 
JoshDC [10k\]: for snap back best here?
JoshDC [10k\]: for B
tupinoz [4k\]: thx
Rossco [4k\]: snapback
bryan1986 [-\]: not very sente-ish
Rossco [4k\]: L9?
bryan1986 [-\]: l9 l6...m7 ....worth it for gote?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Maybe l6 first.
bryan1986 [-\]: I was thinking something like that
Mem0r3x [1k\]: But black can tenuki here, if white plays l9 then black m7.
]
;B[lm]
;W[eg]C[bryan1986 [-\]: complete gote.....
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Hmmm.
bryan1986 [-\]: I wonder why not L6
Akisame [8k\]: hey seolki do u know w?
Akisame [8k\]: on board one
bryan1986 [-\]: I'm only 5k, so I don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll probably keep it up anyways.....for the record :)
seolki [8d\]: hehe he is close friend of mine
Akisame [8k\]: oh
Akisame [8k\]: whos better?
holynec [?\]: hi seolki, are you at EGC?
Akisame [8k\]: nope
]
;B[dh]C[seolki [8d\]: i wish i could but i cant
seolki [8d\]: w is better, difficult to pay a komi
]
;W[bb]C[bryan1986 [-\]: really close game according to SE...
]
;B[cb]C[holynec [?\]: and that is why you are still 5k bryan
Akisame [8k\]: i mean between eunkuk kim and yourself
holynec [?\]: the white in this game is Hwang In-Seong
Akisame [8k\]: i know
bryan1986 [-\]: I'm 5k because I don't want to improve anymore :D
bryan1986 [-\]: I'm trying to let go....but I'm an addict.....so I haven't.....
]
;W[bd]C[holynec [?\]: while you're addicted, try to get stronger :p
anapazapa [2d\]: c18 why?
]
;B[ba]C[yithril [2d\]: i wish there was methadone for go
fantastigo [1d\]: a18???
tsuchigumo [-\]: Can't see the poinrt of b's play here loses as much as he gains
boxking [5d\]: maybe other moves loses more than he gains :)
seolki [8d\]: does anyone is in tournament place here?
]
;W[ab]C[bryan1986 [-\]: EuroGoTV, the person placing the moves, is probably the only one....if I understand your question
bryan1986 [-\]: so....anyone here actually had that brand of tea?
]
;B[ac]
;W[cd]
;B[db]
;W[eb]
;B[da]
;W[ad]
;B[aa]
;W[bo]
;B[bn]
;W[fc]C[bryan1986 [-\]: What can black do now?
wanda [1k\]: is lunch break expected?
]
;B[ea]
;W[fa]
;B[gb]
;W[fb]C[Orc [4d\]: blk is behind a lot in territory
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: cristian pop lost on board 7 to jun sang-youn
zc3k [1k\]: w korean?
Orc [4d\]: sad to see all euro players are losing on first 3 borads
]
;B[gm]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: this game is not over yet
Reym: thanks for results on the other boards eurogotv!
Eiyuu [6k\]: Which one is Euro? They all look the same to me. xD
Pinguschaf [5d\]: the endgame in the center is not easy
Pinguschaf [5d\]: and endgame is Csabas´s speciality...so maybe still some chance
Eiyuu [6k\]: Yeah, but black has a lot of chances in the top. :)
Eiyuu [6k\]: With the center.
]
;W[ih]
;B[gn]
;W[go]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Pierre Audouard lost to Catalin Taranu on board 5
]
;B[gh]C[bobstep [4k?\]: j12 a reak oaub fir b though
Sheeple [3k\]: hm
bobstep [4k?\]: real pain for b
]
;W[gg]C[takanashi [7d\]: csabi grande selfconfident in yose !
]
;B[kg]
;W[jf]C[zambara [3k\]: what about : Pop Cristian - Jun Sang-Youn  on board 7, eurogotv? 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Jun won
Sheeple [3k\]: many short games today
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: by 1,5
zambara [3k\]: ok, thx
]
;B[le]
;W[me]C[Archy [1d\]: what about Ilya Shikshin?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are still playing
Archy [1d\]: ok, thx
Cunning [3k\]: the go congress comes to Finland next year i think
Cunning [3k\]: im finnish ;D
Archy [1d\]: )
Cunning [3k\]: i think i'll attend the tournament
Cunning [3k\]: there'll be many noobs like me 2
bobstep [4k?\]: he's finnish and I'm done
]
;B[hh]C[tupinoz [4k\]: how is on table 10
]
;W[hg]
;B[ii]
;W[jh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I am in room with tables 3-8
holynec [?\]: how is table 8
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still playing
holynec [?\]: how are you going to spend the rest of the day eurogotv3? :\]
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Zhang Yanqi lost to Kim Joon Sang on board 6
just9x9 [-\]: the girl from board one yesterday?
bobstep [4k?\]: boo hoo
bobstep [4k?\]: yr
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I don't know yet, in the evening I am playing in 9x9 tournament
bobstep [4k?\]: tes
holynec [?\]: are you well prepared for it ?: \]
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes, the girl from yesterday
just9x9 [-\]: i see thx
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: this is play off, I wll probably lose in first round ;)
holynec [?\]: stay confident!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sure
Warfreak2 [5d\]:  holynec [?\]: how are you going to spend the rest of the day eurogotv3? :\]
Warfreak2 [5d\]:  just9x9 [-\]: the girl from board one yesterday?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: :-D
Archy [1d\]: )
holynec [?\]: warfreak2, back to your hole
]
;B[og]
;W[pg]
;B[ob]
;W[nb]C[takanashi [7d\]: how about BUM on board 29 ?:)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: lol
takanashi [7d\]: dark horse
takanashi [7d\]: no info about dark horse ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sorry
bobstep [4k?\]: stumbled coming out of gate
takanashi [7d\]: aah:)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: wow, EGC must be massive if BUM is only on board 29
Warfreak2 [5d\]: in paris i hovered around board 20
Gims [-\]: 485 people where playing in first round if I understood
takanashi [7d\]: well lost yesterday,but that was just strategy of darkhorse
Gims [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
Warfreak2 [5d\]: poor tmark
takanashi [7d\]: come on,send some messenger on the board 29
Warfreak2 [5d\]: heh
takanashi [7d\]: Ganja power
macisajt [7d\]: :)
macisajt [7d\]: 27 ap.pa
macisajt [7d\]: where is artem?
macisajt [7d\]: Artem.
artem92 [7d\]: at home :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: bum is playing on board 27, not 29 ;P
play234 [-\]: is there a result list up from round 1?
artem92 [7d\]: Csaba lost
]
;B[kh]
;W[ji]C[dxxd [-\]: artem, how was your game against hwang in-seong?
Javaness [2d\]: palika - why aren't you playing? Did they ban you? :)
macisajt [7d\]: yes
artem92 [7d\]: hwang is good..
macisajt [7d\]: hwang is the exact power
]
;B[je]C[macisajt [7d\]: no, mano?
]
;W[jd]C[gornuf [18k\]: is there a link to wach this ?
OneLuck [2d\]: why is artem not playing?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: artem didn't fancy winning EGC?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: with tygem 9d powah? :>
BenSenTen [?\]: yeah, u can go straight to eurogotv.com
macisajt [7d\]: all hail eurogotv
Warfreak2 [5d\]: ia! ia!
gornuf [18k\]: i tried but it said that tv was offline
OneLuck [2d\]: war are you a kyu irl?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: -4 kyu
PooH [5k\]: 4d?
BenSenTen [?\]: this should be an online game...
OneLuck [2d\]: for a long time you were not the strongest kyu in here
Javaness [2d\]: did the BGA demote you again warfreak?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yeah, to 20k
Warfreak2 [5d\]: because of doping
Mot [4k\]: sorry i'm late but who won the two first table ?
Javaness [2d\]: well you deserved it i guess
sameasyou [2d\]: macisajt why aren't u in Holland?
PooH [5k\]: too much coffe?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yes
Javaness [2d\]: you should lay off the mountain dew
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but it gives me wings
Warfreak2 [5d\]: wait
OneLuck [2d\]: I know a 6d who was 5k irl. but now they finally promoted him
]
;B[ke]C[just9x9 [-\]: to 4k?
]
;W[ie]C[macisajt [7d\]: to samesyou
]
;B[ij]C[macisajt [7d\]: we gpto korea
macisajt [7d\]: for samsung cup preliminary
macisajt [7d\]: now i would exchange it for egc
]
;W[em]C[sameasyou [2d\]: I see...good luck...u have a chance now that Lee Sedol is out of the picture :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i don't know, they have cheap alcohol in korea
OneLuck [2d\]: why did not you just go there and play maci?
Javaness [2d\]: I think I go to korea for prime ministers goblet of fire tournament
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yeah, i read those harry potter biographies too
just9x9 [-\]: get your name in the goblet first, java ;)
Dikdik [?\]: hmm, lookslike a huge lead for w
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it quacks like a huge lead for w, and it waddles like a huge lead for w
Warfreak2 [5d\]: probably a huge lead for w
sameasyou [2d\]: the first european to beat an asian 7d will be european champion this year
Javaness [2d\]: hard for csabamero to win
Dikdik [?\]: 10-15 points
Javaness [2d\]: if he can live G18 he can win
just9x9 [-\]: any news on board 8?
Sheeple [3k\]: get the webfeed on this board?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still playing
Javaness [2d\]: Do you know if popic won? or taranu?
just9x9 [-\]: thx
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: pop lost, catalin won
sameasyou [2d\]: who beat Pop?
Onmyoji [2d\]: europeans cant win korean
sameasyou [2d\]: they can
Javaness [2d\]: koreans are not that invincible
sameasyou [2d\]: but rarely
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: pairing http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1473
sameasyou [2d\]: macisajt did it
Javaness [2d\]: I beat XY0908 last week for instance
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
macisajt [7d\]: also Sasha and Ilya
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
macisajt [7d\]: and Svetlana
tupinoz [4k\]: how play dusan mitic
Javaness [2d\]: dusan play dirty
tupinoz [4k\]: it is not thru
Javaness [2d\]: :)
bobombera [9k\]: the game is over
takanashi [7d\]: how about BUM?
sameasyou [2d\]: BUM is still far I think
icecream [?\]: I don't understand B c18
Orc [4d\]: is bum 6d in europe?
takanashi [7d\]: 7d
Javaness [2d\]: he is a 5d in czech republic i think
Chilltime [2k\]: bum is 5d
Orc [4d\]: but on kgs he is 6d?
]
;B[el]
;W[fl]C[Chilltime [2k\]: jan simara is 5d
takanashi [7d\]: which mean 7d in europe,no?
Javaness [2d\]: no
sameasyou [2d\]: no takanashi
sameasyou [2d\]: 8 Shikshin Ilya 	- Dinerchtein Alexandre 
Sheeple [3k\]: why can't we have the board 1 camera?
sameasyou [2d\]: this is a weird pairing
]
;B[bp]
;W[bq]
;B[ao]C[Sheeple [3k\]: the game is over
]
;W[ek]
;B[dl]C[Javaness [2d\]: you are a joker mr takanashi
Orc [4d\]: can we change the direction of the camera?
Chilltime [2k\]: f9?
takanashi [7d\]: i thought czech 5dan=EU 7d...because Danek 6dan ´,european champion
sameasyou [2d\]: takanashi Danek is not in first 20 europeans
sameasyou [2d\]: or not anymore
Onmyoji [2d\]: how much is the 1st prize?
Javaness [2d\]: takanashi, just stay away from the computer room
]
;W[jj]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: takanashi wants to believe kgs 6d = euro 7d, because then he can believe he is stronger than all of europe
sameasyou [2d\]: :)
sameasyou [2d\]: yes...probably so
Chilltime [2k\]: true
]
;B[on]
;W[oo]C[scurge [5d\]: well it might be true takanashi seiken is strong
Orc [4d\]: kgs 6d = euro 6d then?
bolbi [-\]: you can't compare
takanashi [7d\]: i am warfreak2, waht u think who beat Eu champion last year :)
Onmyoji [2d\]: kgs 6d = euro 5d
sameasyou [2d\]: more like kgs 6d europe 5d
dado [1k\]: yes
hui [1k\]: that s just a kind of dream for kgs players to compare like this
takanashi [7d\]: i didnt talk aabout kgs ranks,kgs weird
Warfreak2 [5d\]: takanashi, breakfast is playing on board 8
Javaness [2d\]: taka nashi sensei has been eating to many spoons
Warfreak2 [5d\]: that means there are 14 players stronger than him at EGC
Warfreak2 [5d\]: he's kgs 9d
takanashi [7d\]: but i heard czech rank system is very strong..Mr danek created
Pulcik [-\]: lol
sameasyou [2d\]: Ilya is KGS 8d and Oro 8d with 33600 points
xDragon [16k\]: i wish there could be replays like later in the day
Orc [4d\]: I found some players play a lot better/worse on the internet
icecream [?\]: It's only round 1, so can't tell strength from board number yet
Warfreak2 [5d\]: ssshhh, icecream
OneLuck [2d\]: breakfast is 7d
sameasyou [2d\]: breakfast is 1P
xDragon [16k\]: hes 3p
Warfreak2 [5d\]: 3p
sameasyou [2d\]: ah
OneLuck [2d\]: Last time I saw he play here on kgs
sameasyou [2d\]: sorry...u are right :)
OneLuck [2d\]: he was 7d
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time left - white 1:16, black 0:37
icecream [?\]: B L17 will be worth some points
Warfreak2 [5d\]: someday i will be a strong 3p like breakfast
hui [1k\]: 37mn?
takanashi [7d\]: of course Warfreaks: and Audouard Pierre plays on Board 5,which mean he is NO.10 on this EGCmright ?:)))
Mukti [4d\]: w seems about 15 points ahead
sameasyou [2d\]: soon w will cut at h11
takanashi [7d\]: you can say what you want, Danek Vladimir,solid 5dan from CZ is european champ,who can say that ?:)
Onmyoji [2d\]: when was he european champion?
Javaness [2d\]: nobody is stronger than danek
Javaness [2d\]: well, he was never actually european champion
Sheeple [3k\]: only cause the captain is not european
Onmyoji [2d\]: ok i dont know who he is
xDragon [16k\]: sheeple
xDragon [16k\]: captain is weak
xDragon [16k\]: could you quit the hero worship, thanks
takanashi [7d\]: how can u say that java?!
guiguistar [2d\]: L1, ez
takanashi [7d\]: marseille 93 or when
SnackBar [2d\]: Black should resign 
Sheeple [3k\]: how can you say he's weak? he always wins.
hui [1k\]: takanashi, danek was a quite strong player but he s far awy from the top now.
guiguistar [2d\]: yose should be str8 froward for 6d+
donGoku [5k\]: who leads now,b seems good for me?
xDragon [16k\]: how could you say a kgs 4d could be euro champion?
Sheeple [3k\]: cause he's the best? duh.
Orc [4d\]: dongoku thats why ur 5k
takanashi [7d\]: ihe wrote book: how i became european champion, kind of bestseller
xDragon [16k\]: see -> hero worship
donGoku [5k\]: Orc,thx,now i know
xDragon [16k\]: kgs 4d is far from the best btw
Sheeple [3k\]: in general maybe
Mukti [4d\]: he was never EC, takanashi.
just9x9 [-\]: really xdragon? didnt know that...
Chilltime [2k\]: how much time does they have left?
hui [1k\]: of course more like a 2d
Javaness [2d\]: I'm sorry I was wrong
Javaness [2d\]: http://www.eurogofed.org/results/congress/egc97m.txt
Javaness [2d\]: he win the event
takanashi [7d\]: na
xDragon [16k\]: yea 9x9, but seems like sheeple doesnt know that
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:15 black 0:31
Sheeple [3k\]: know what?
xDragon [16k\]: that kgs 4d =/= the best
takanashi [7d\]: Mukti, read the link
Sheeple [3k\]: i already said, in general i agree
Mukti [4d\]: Guo uan won that EGCC
Sheeple [3k\]: just, we're talking about thecaptain here.
Mukti [4d\]: Guo Juan*
Mot [4k\]: 1997 ^^
just9x9 [-\]: omg how could i not get that?
xDragon [16k\]: whos gotten the wrong reputation as an aggro player?
hui [1k\]: who s the captain in irl?
takanashi [7d\]: no,she didnt had EU passport
takanashi [7d\]: Danek got the trophy
sameasyou [2d\]: I think she did
icecream [?\]: W ahead by about 8-10
Sheeple [3k\]: reputation as the best.
Mukti [4d\]: Really?
takanashi [7d\]: many pictures about that:)
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]C[Javaness [2d\]: it's written that she won it ^^
xDragon [16k\]: if he was the best he would be 9p
takanashi [7d\]: book abou that
xDragon [16k\]: simple
Mukti [4d\]: Ok, I bet you are right :-)
sameasyou [2d\]: why don't u like Danek?
xDragon [16k\]: or at least some sort of p rank
sameasyou [2d\]: or u don't like europeans?
takanashi [7d\]: ök another example
Sheeple [3k\]: there is no p in the normal kgs ranking system
takanashi [7d\]: if you dont accept danek
Sheeple [3k\]: so he has to stay 4d
Mukti [4d\]: OK, I found it, he finsihed at 7th place, but was the highest native European player
takanashi [7d\]: Tibor pocsai, EU champion 88
xDragon [16k\]: your name is appropriate sheeple. being a sheep of thecaptain
Jadeite [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EuropeanGoCongress
xDragon [16k\]: its sad
takanashi [7d\]: kgs rank 4d
xDragon [16k\]: but...i must be going
takanashi [7d\]: european champion
hui [1k\]: you should go back to years 70 takanashi
takanashi [7d\]: how can?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: your name is appropriate, dragon, being a drag on our fun
Mot [4k\]: I was just born
Am [5d\]: Diner&Shikshin still play?
xDragon [16k\]: its not fun when people are being stupid
sameasyou [2d\]: u should congratulate european players that they grew with so many stones in 10 years
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes, still playing
xDragon [16k\]: but must be going now, already a bit late
Kuros [8k\]: L1!
xDragon [16k\]: bye
Mukti [4d\]: some poeple just play poorlyy on the web (myself included)
Sheeple [3k\]: only stupid things are funny
takanashi [7d\]: actually they didnt grow anything
sameasyou [2d\]: not mock of them...that's really bad spirit if I understand spirit well
Sheeple [3k\]: but this is serious of course
takanashi [7d\]: strongest european player in history will be still Ronald Schlemper 7d
guiguistar [2d\]: ^^
Lepenski [1k\]: white is good
takanashi [7d\]: which finishedsecond place in that EGC 88 btw 
Sheeple [3k\]: wasn't hans pietsch pro?
Sheeple [3k\]: he was european
takanashi [7d\]: was
takanashi [7d\]: catalin also
Orc [4d\]: I found the kgs cursor is very distracting for me, it makes me feel as if I already have stone there
takanashi [7d\]: but still weaker than schlemper
Sheeple [3k\]: when was schlemper?
Javaness [2d\]: the 80s
tsuchigumo [-\]: Schlemper had talent alright, but we will never know how strong he was
takanashi [7d\]: we know
sameasyou [2d\]: Takanashi honestly I doubt that u are Takanashi Seiken 6d pro...I doubt a proffesional player would mock other players no matter their go strenght 
takanashi [7d\]: there is prove
takanashi [7d\]: takanashi seiken is 8p dude
tsuchigumo [-\]: Lost a match against an ex Korean insei very badly
guiguistar [2d\]: genius is 1% talent 99% work
]
;B[gk]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Yoo
guiguistar [2d\]: just work dudes
sameasyou [2d\]: why are u using his name then?
just9x9 [-\]: genius is not to work ;P
takanashi [7d\]: schlemper became No.1 in insei league in japan
Rossco [4k\]: why not f7?
takanashi [7d\]: and then he quit
takanashi [7d\]: nobody,even Hans pietsch ,even catalin couldnt do NO.1
Javaness [2d\]: you think it was too easy for him?
guiguistar [2d\]: why did he quiet
guiguistar [2d\]: quit*
Javaness [2d\]: he just get bored and stopped playing?
Lepenski [1k\]: wl9 is good
takanashi [7d\]: again bad question,why did he quit and blabla
donGoku [5k\]: f7 f9 l9
tsuchigumo [-\]: No he never intended to make a career as a pro.
hui [1k\]: he was pro in music and doctor as job, maybe too busy
]
;W[oa]
;B[pa]
;W[na]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: His stay was only ever planned for one year.
takanashi [7d\]: if you asked old professional,all of them will tel lyou schlemper is strongest EU 
]
;B[pb]C[takanashi [7d\]: he became doctor
takanashi [7d\]: if you dont believe takanashi seiken,believe to kobayashi koichi or Rin kaiho:)
tsuchigumo [-\]: What about his performance against Yoo, Taka?
guiguistar [2d\]: go looks funnier imho
Orc [4d\]: I remember there was a very strong player who died, any1 knows how was that?
hui [1k\]: sclemper was kind of god , but this is not enough to deny all the new generation if players coming up 
sameasyou [2d\]: so what's your point? all these european players should stop playing Go and before the EGC they should only go online and write on a forum that Shlemper is the best european and go back to sleep?
just9x9 [-\]: that was shusaku orc :P
donGoku [5k\]: many strong player died...
takanashi [7d\]: that was Hans Pietsch
Orc [4d\]: I am a player in europe died, used to be euro chapmpion
Orc [4d\]: I mean*
siulongbao [7k\]: l17 ??
]
;W[fh]C[siulongbao [7k\]: nvm
tsuchigumo [-\]: Terry Stacey was pretty strong
swarn: What about Wimmer? Manfred Wimmer? Did you know him takanashi?
siulongbao [7k\]: i thiought whites group was covered
takanashi [7d\]: wimmer weak
tsuchigumo [-\]: And still improving when he died
takanashi [7d\]: however managed 1p
]
;B[fi]C[just9x9 [-\]: news about board 8?
takanashi [7d\]: but then he made criminal act and they kicked him out
tsuchigumo [-\]: Fact is amateur strengths have improved in Europe over last 20 years
bfm [-\]: how 1p could be weak ? :s
SnackBar [2d\]: G11 ?
InABuzz [4k\]: s5
guiguistar [2d\]: 1p is work imho
takanashi [7d\]: weak compare to hans,catalin or schlemper
sameasyou [2d\]: takanashi u didn't answer my question
takanashi [7d\]: what was your question?
just9x9 [-\]: lol
kob93 [1d\]: hello everyone
Tlina [9k\]: we in europa are weak but amateurs are young
kob93 [1d\]: does anyone know who is winning?
takanashi [7d\]: why wimmer made criminal act?:)
Tlina [9k\]: that's not like that in Japan, is it ?
sameasyou [2d\]: what is your point? what u want to prove? what should the european players do? stop playing because Shlemper was the most talented?
kob93 [1d\]: na
bfm [-\]: kob93, white lead
kob93 [1d\]: thx
takanashi [7d\]: why should they stop?
kob93 [1d\]: japan need more youth
swarn: he just want to proov that European Go is currently not at its peak :-/
takanashi [7d\]: only what i say is that schlemper was strongest player ever in europe
takanashi [7d\]: and kgs rank sucks
takanashi [7d\]: thats all:)
holynec [?\]: maybe he still plays go
InABuzz [4k\]: id s5 or g11
guiguistar [2d\]: i hope european go is not at his peak
Tlina [9k\]: you're right :)
Tlina [9k\]: takanashi
takanashi [7d\]: overally european become little bit stronger,but not many ranks,as somebody wrote
tsuchigumo [-\]: That is an assertion taka, the evidence is not clearcut
tsuchigumo [-\]: Tho I agree Schlemper was very strong
hui [1k\]: there is quiet some progress in eastern europe you could not deny
holynec [?\]: maybe he still is strong ;)
Mem0r3x [1k\]: It will be hard for black...
holynec [?\]: we will search him out for egc 2010!
Jadeite [?\]: <- look a game
kob93 [1d\]: there always is in eastern europe
kob93 [1d\]: always make many great euro sports players
takanashi [7d\]: of course,eastern europe much stronger than west europe nowdays
tupinoz [4k\]: where is WGC 2010
Tlina [9k\]: it's true for chess too
InABuzz [4k\]: in political terms? hmmm
donGoku [5k\]: they are closer to China:)
kob93 [1d\]: wgc?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: world go congress
hui [1k\]: chess is another matter
tupinoz [4k\]: egc pardon
Warfreak2 [5d\]: tampere
tupinoz [4k\]: thx
takanashi [7d\]: west europe only give asylum for korean or chinese
icecream [?\]: Feel B has gained a few points recently
takanashi [7d\]: but native europe players stronger in eastern nowdays
donGoku [5k\]: as in pingpong
Tlina [9k\]: in pingpong French are quite good
takanashi [7d\]: that i dont know how is in pingpong :)
icecream [?\]: W lead not huge IMHO
kob93 [1d\]: thx warfreak
guiguistar [2d\]: no players --> no srtong players
guiguistar [2d\]: soccer ---> no go players
guiguistar [2d\]: ez
guiguistar [2d\]: : 
hui [1k\]: well my own opinion is more something about money, too much money too weak players, so all this can still change a  lot in future
Orc [4d\]: when can we watch go program on the tv, even just a few minutes in the news
guiguistar [2d\]: u mad
hui [1k\]: neither. Look for the WAGC, was almost no media at all.
Orc [4d\]: ppl can watch on lot on the tv in aisa, i think they r strong with a reason
Onmyoji [2d\]: is the game over?
Rossco [4k\]: what's taking white so long
hui [1k\]: they are strong because they have go at schools for children.
Lepenski [1k\]: f9
Lepenski [1k\]: wf9
hui [1k\]: the yose is super fun and difficult here at least for me.
kob93 [1d\]: lepen r u lepin?
Orc [4d\]: w G11
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;W[gj]C[Lepenski [1k\]: g11h11f9
Rossco [4k\]: hmm tricky
Warfreak2 [5d\]: a curious move indeed
Orc [4d\]: tesuji?
kob93 [1d\]: hmm
Orc [4d\]: or fake tesuji
Mem0r3x [1k\]: k9?
nay4ok [1d?\]: a link somebody please?
]
;B[eh]C[Chilltime [2k\]: f9 now
Lepenski [1k\]: f9
kob93 [1d\]: no
kob93 [1d\]: i guessed wrong
bigbubbles [13k\]: j9
alastar [1d\]: f10
stalkor [4k\]: e@eurogotv, how much time is left for the players?
donGoku [5k\]: h11
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:00 black 0:23
]
;W[fk]C[stalkor [4k\]: ty
Orc [4d\]: w g11 now can capture 2 stones but might not be good
Lepenski [1k\]: yes
nay4ok [1d?\]: a link eurogo?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Will white block if black plays f13?
Lepenski [1k\]: bf10
kob93 [1d\]: if he plays f10 white will play h8
Mem0r3x [1k\]: f10 g8 :/
Weichei1 [1k\]: how much time do they have left?
nuocmam [4d?\]: would be nice for w to get l9 in sente
]
;B[fg]
;W[ff]C[nuocmam [4d?\]: well would've
donGoku [5k\]: h9
LeFourBe [5d\]: l1
Redjoker [3d\]: f7
Redjoker [3d\]: just cut xD
kob93 [1d\]: f7>h8
geruempel [3k\]: f7 does not work ... w 
Mot [4k\]: yeah imply F7 no ?
Lepenski [1k\]: h9 isl9
donGoku [5k\]: reallyÍíííí,ˇˇ
Lepenski [1k\]: wl9
Redjoker [3d\]: no f7 doesnt work :D
donGoku [5k\]: sorry
Redjoker [3d\]: h8 is answer kob93 ur right^^
kob93 [1d\]: thx
jaywon84 [5k\]: l
noned [2d\]: a3, l2 any chance now?
LeFourBe [5d\]: white seems leading by komi
]
;B[gl]
;W[fm]C[donGoku [5k\]: ...near h9:-)
Orc [4d\]: I just found there is no "i" on the board, only "L"
sameasyou [2d\]: Orc :)
Kantid [4k\]: and yose opportunitys
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Quite nice for a 4d ^^
Orc [4d\]: :P
TetsuoKaga [8k?\]: xD
Mot [4k\]: someone can show me why F7 didnt work ?
Mot [4k\]: even with H8 ?
icecream [?\]: W H8 cut
Mem0r3x [1k\]: f7 h8 g8 h9 atari
LeFourBe [5d\]: F7 is damezumari
purplecow [1d\]: Thank Korschelt for the missing letter 
]
;B[rk]C[octavius [11k\]: hi is there a link to watch it?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
donGoku [5k\]: there is byo-yomi in this battle?
]
;W[rj]
;B[aq]
;W[br]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: l1
donGoku [5k\]: or b has only 15 min left?
Mot [4k\]: oh right, i was looking on H9 instead of H8 -_-
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: byo-yomi 1 minute
donGoku [5k\]: thx EGTV3
]
;B[oh]C[Lepenski [1k\]: o12
Lepenski [1k\]: o13 is not good
gdghgjd [1d\]: EuroGoTV3, will you show some matches tomorrow?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 1 a day
]
;W[rh]C[donGoku [5k\]: anybody know what is Hwang account name on KGS?
Tristero [2d\]: has none
gdghgjd [1d\]: crowis
Tristero [2d\]: er - right :)
donGoku [5k\]: thx
]
;B[fo]
;W[gp]C[Lepenski [1k\]: results second rounde
]
;B[fj]
;W[hk]
;B[hl]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]C[tupinoz [4k\]: imaš li rezultate druge runde
tupinoz [4k\]: za naše
che [-\]: how much time have they left?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:52, black 0:10
che [-\]: tx
Mem0r3x [1k\]: They should have SE at the tournament.
Kantid [4k\]: instead of jeckster?
Orc [4d\]: cant see any chance left for blk
]
;W[cf]
;B[df]
;W[de]
;B[cg]
;W[bf]C[cashcow [4d?\]: manhood game
alexjhu [10k\]: j9 is good
JeanVidToi [6k\]: l17 ?
RSG [9k?\]: j9 is nothing, no?
alexjhu [10k\]: j9 - k9 -h10
tupinoz [4k\]: how play table 10
alexjhu [10k\]: yeha nothing
anapazapa [2d\]: csaba's lead looks stable
poirette [1d\]: ah? i just counted white ahead a bit
anapazapa [2d\]: even tho it is small
anapazapa [2d\]: no, its csaba
]
;B[fn]
;W[fp]C[yebisu [3d\]: kamys? :>
]
;B[jk]
;W[kj]
;B[kk]C[method [-\]: yebi :)
donGoku [5k\]: the komi is 7.5??is tah true?
donGoku [5k\]: that...
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: komi 8 ing rules
Eburg [4k\]: ing rules
]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[yebisu [3d\]: woooow
donGoku [5k\]: wow
]
;W[ar]C[donGoku [5k\]: :9
Warfreak2 [5d\]: there is a referee present who understands ing rules? astounding
donGoku [5k\]: hard for b
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes, there are some referees around
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but they understand ing rules?
Orc [4d\]: blk is losing, though difference is not big
just9x9 [-\]: who invent ing rules :)
]
;B[ks]
;W[js]C[purplecow [1d\]: using simplified Ing rules or the rweal ones ?
]
;B[ls]
;W[jr]
;B[mf]C[Orc [4d\]: a rich man who sponsored ING cup
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I think simplified
purplecow [1d\]: thx
donGoku [5k\]: i say the Lion:)
]
;W[nf]C[Eburg [4k\]: B did fine yose till now, but still i bet on W
lose100 [1d\]: unless w makes a serious mistake he can't win by less than 1.5
just9x9 [-\]: some news on board 8?
shusaku9p [5k\]: w win this game
nyri [4k\]: I makes one wonder. The game is some 4000 years old and still there is no consensus of the rules. And if asked, I will tell my friends that rules of Go are relly simple!
Violence [-\]: only scoring rules
Violence [-\]: and superko
Violence [-\]: are debated
Cassandra [?\]: Go has simple rules for playing   ;-))
anapazapa [2d\]: b has to make som territory there or lose
Mem0r3x [1k\]: superko?
DoubleLion [2k\]: tripleko
ChristianB [3d\]: ultrako
donGoku [5k\]: gigako?
DoubleLion [2k\]: multi mega ko
just9x9 [-\]: bent 4 with unremovable kothreats and stuff
purplecow [1d\]: disturbing ko   oops that something else
Courgette [2k\]: kézako?
]
;B[mg]C[Orc [4d\]: chinese rule is natrual but hard to count, jap rule is easy to count but stupid in some situation
just9x9 [-\]: did roln have breakfast?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not yet
purplecow [1d\]: Ing counting is the easiest 
just9x9 [-\]: i see
Kantid [4k\]: chinese rules count easy to check
Orc [4d\]: yes, but u have to wish that u didn't accidentally lose a stone
donGoku [5k\]: and in ING rules if w the same ranked sa b he got 14 stones komi?
purplecow [1d\]: Ing fill in counting method is equivalent to chinese method
badukwang [3k\]: does M14 work?
lose100 [1d\]: i never understood the controversy. ko rule makes sure game ends by saying you cannot repeat a board position (same board + same capture differential). 
Eburg [4k\]: lot of popular games have a number of rule sets, it's natural
nyri [4k\]: Japanese rules, easy to count?
Dekachan [10k\]: this is an intersting talk about go history, including scoring.  and oh mathamatics:
LeFourBe [5d\]: triple ko make same boad et same capture differential
Dekachan [10k\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjrvrH1bKIw&feature=PlayList&p=2C02F6B33145E762&index=0&playnext=1
Orc [4d\]: 4 space corner is dead in jap rule, but in chinese rule, it depends on the board
nyri [4k\]: Here is some commentary on Japanese rules and counting: http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/j1989c.html
just9x9 [-\]: oh no, not the sum link...
lose100 [1d\]: yeah, so "triple ko" is just a complicated ko, but the same rule applies
Chilltime [2k\]: jasiek -.-
Chilltime [2k\]: i dont like that word
purplecow [1d\]: the Jasiek link could become the new rickroll for go players
Cassandra [?\]: Bent-Four is not dead by a special Japanese rule
Cassandra [?\]: It depends on the surrounding, but not on the rest of the board.
]
;W[ng]
;B[nh]
;W[ne]C[Pinchilei [2d?\]: Cassandra bend-four is dead by japanese rule
geruempel [3k\]: its a name ... though Robert might be hard to get along with ... at least he tries to fix the ruling-differences
]
;B[oe]C[just9x9 [-\]: bent four wih no outside libs depends on the presence of kothreats
Cassandra [?\]: There is no rule in Japanese rule stating that Bent Four is dead
Orc [4d\]: cassandra, i dont agree, if u have a seki(big seki) somewhere on the board, then u can't start the ko fight in the coner, then its alive
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Seems a bad sequence for white...?
Pinchilei [2d?\]: yes there is
Chilltime [2k\]: m14?
]
;W[kf]
;B[lf]
;W[if]C[veteran [1d\]: thanks dekachan
]
;B[nn]
;W[ej]C[Orc [4d\]: brent 4 in the corner is dead, based on that u can erase all ko threat on the board after game finished, but in some situation u can't erase seki
]
;B[mo]
;W[mp]
;B[kn]
;W[ko]C[siulongbao [7k\]: r7 ?
]
;B[qm]
;W[fh]C[purplecow [1d\]: Fujimuras position 
siulongbao [7k\]: g11 
]
;B[ei]
;W[dj]
;B[cj]
;W[ap]
;B[bo]C[siulongbao [7k\]: m12 
Cassandra [?\]: There is an example in the commentary, in which Bent-Four is alive  ;-))
]
;W[di]
;B[fg]
;W[lq]
;B[mr]
;W[fh]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: s6 for black.
]
;B[gi]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Yose not threat.
]
;W[pn]
;B[rn]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Weird yose by white...
sameasyou [2d\]: I like Mero yose...hope he will produce a huge surprise
Reym: could black m17 be dangerous>
]
;W[sn]
;B[sm]
;W[so]C[Reym: ?
alexjhu [10k\]: w leading right?
siulongbao [7k\]: m12 
]
;B[ah]C[alexjhu [10k\]: t8?
Cunning [3k\]: t8 
]
;W[ag]
;B[ph]C[Chilltime [2k\]: uh
]
;W[qh]C[sameasyou [2d\]: I think white still leading, yes...but if the game last another hour then u never know :)
Jigo [?\]: not m17 now, b will have damezumari
Reym: ah exaCT
Onmyoji [2d\]: they are still playing
Mem0r3x [1k\]: m17 is nothing till black lacks libs.
]
;B[sj]
;W[si]
;B[sk]
;W[mn]
;B[om]C[siulongbao [7k\]: p3 
]
;W[sp]
;B[sq]
;W[qn]
;B[rm]
;W[kd]
;B[ld]
;W[lc]
;B[lh]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: p3 now
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
ben0 [5d\]: p2
Lepenski [1k\]: black go home
ben0 [5d\]: p3 *
Jr4yA [5k\]: ^^
]
;W[op]C[Jr4yA [5k\]: ^^
Mem0r3x [1k\]: t15 
Oresama [2k\]: ?
sameasyou [2d\]: sente this way
siulongbao [7k\]: sente
]
;B[oq]
;W[sd]
;B[sc]
;W[se]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Cannot black tenuki?
]
;B[lj]
;W[fg]
;B[od]C[sameasyou [2d\]: he can...but it is equal to t15 I think
]
;W[mo]C[siulongbao [7k\]: 1 ko to fite
veteran [1d\]: B about 5 behind  on the board, I think
]
;B[aq]C[siulongbao [7k\]: a3 
siulongbao [7k\]: black finished ..
Lepenski [1k\]: the end
]
;W[rq]
;B[rr]
;W[ap]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: t15/16 is 2 points gote and p3 after p4 was one point no?
]
;B[aq]
;W[rq]
;B[sr]
;W[ap]
;B[be]
;W[ae]
;B[aq]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]
;W[ap]
;B[jo]
;W[ho]
;B[aq]C[Wildcard [10k\]: funny thing with those super smal ko fights
]
;W[bm]
;B[cm]
;W[ap]
;B[kc]
;W[kb]
;B[aq]
;W[rc]C[sameasyou [2d\]: t13 for w?
]
;B[rb]C[Cunning [3k\]: what makes it funny?
]
;W[ap]C[sameasyou [2d\]: for b I mean
]
;B[cc]
;W[aq]
;B[pm]
;W[ki]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are counting
Orc [4d\]: is blk wininng? not fighting the ko any more?
Onmyoji [2d\]: w+3.5
sameasyou [2d\]: I think he knew he was losing with or without it
geruempel [3k\]: inrules ... dame is one point isnt it ?
takanashi [7d\]: last ko is not super small, its 4points
che [-\]: play with Ing rules?
poirette [1d\]: takanashi, could you explain please?
Reym: anynews from board8?
Cunning [3k\]: it was 1 point
akira04 [5k\]: chinese game
Lepenski [1k\]: w won
XeHTau [1k\]: 11
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: W+11
Cunning [3k\]: oh, chinese
anapazapa [2d\]: :(
sameasyou [2d\]: thanks...too bad
Wildcard [10k\]: 11... How?
anapazapa [2d\]: i even applied word magic
Yaruki [10k\]: chinese rulse
sameasyou [2d\]: komi + 5
anapazapa [2d\]: no use
bfm [-\]: huge win :s
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