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GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 2]PW[Eunkuk Kim]PB[Rob van Zeijst]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-27]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 2]RO[2]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[HW9x9]C[seppy [?\]: eurogo when does  game strt?
seppy [?\]: *what time
play234 [-\]: in 20 min
seppy [?\]: ok thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: game starts in 5 minutes
royalty [4d\]: i bet first move is 4-4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
matjet [1k\]: i bet 6-4
weirdchess [5k\]: 3-4
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;B[pd]C[matjet [1k\]: ....
weirdchess [5k\]: dang
holynec [?\]: royalty, i promote you to 7d
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls let me know if something wrong with sound or picture
royalty [4d\]: holynec, \\o/
seppy [?\]: is w korean?
Hanne [3k\]: d4
Violence [-\]: Ah, Rob van Zeijst...
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;W[dp]C[Hanne [3k\]: yay!
MoonCrash [5k\]: this live?
Hanne [3k\]: not unconditionally
hui [1k\]: will see...
HandA [5k?\]: What are their ranks on KGS?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes live
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if they would play they would both be 9d
play234 [-\]: rob doesn't seem very interested of the board ^^
HandA [5k?\]: Now this is worth watchingg
Violence [-\]: I dunno about van Zeijst
derp [1k\]: probably trying to assess his mood today
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;B[pq]C[beehappy [8k?\]: meditation^^
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;W[qn]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: which game is this?
Akisame [8k\]: 2nd
Akisame [8k\]: of congress
TheCutpain [9k?\]: see eurogotv Info
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;B[po]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;W[rp]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: Who is playing?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: read the names
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;B[qq]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: EuroGoTV1, who is playing in this game?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: is this joseki?
HandA [5k?\]: When can we see Dinerchtein play?
Gims [-\]: yes joseki..
TheCutpain [9k?\]: thx
outstander [2k\]: s7
ChemBoy613 [-\]: such a normal looking game
TheCutpain [9k?\]: i  never play this joseki
ChemBoy613 [-\]: s7 really is the way to go
Gims [-\]: s7 is joseki but white might o6 just for fun
MoonCrash [5k\]: so many people walking by surpised they don't close the door or something
derp [1k\]: s7, o6, even q8
ChemBoy613 [-\]: o6 often bad
royalty [4d\]: tengen, duh
Kyuss [1k\]: wow. huge coincidense
yithril [2d\]: when in doubt tengen
Kyuss [1k\]: i was just looking at this joseki
Kyuss [1k\]: s7 is OK, o6 is questionable :P
seppy [?\]: s7 or o6?? wich one is better?
royalty [4d\]: s7 is very common
Kyuss [1k\]: o6 s7 s6 n4 ?
freddygo [5k\]: are they egf 7 dan?
freddygo [5k\]: what rank is that on kgs?
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;W[pl]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9
Violence [-\]: huh
beehappy [8k?\]: ы
Violence [-\]: I actually
Violence [-\]: thought he would play this move
Violence [-\]: if not S7
Kyuss [1k\]: well, maybe w has been studying q8
seppy [?\]: trick move?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: kgs is Kyu go server
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;B[qj]C[djedje55 [16k\]: who thought q8 ?
yithril [2d\]: ugh
TheCutpain [9k?\]: me
yithril [2d\]: this is vanilla
yithril [2d\]: I want tutti frutti heath bar crunch ice cream
freddygo [5k\]: these people are 9 dan kgs?
Violence [-\]: How is this vanilla?
Violence [-\]: this is at least an unusual variation
TheCutpain [9k?\]: its korean player
yithril [2d\]: looked normal to me
mcw85 [7k\]: If they played on KGS, probably 8-9d.
Gims [-\]: hmm I dont like this for white.
TheCutpain [9k?\]: expect the unexpected
freddygo [5k\]: i didnt know they were european players who reached 9 dan
hui [1k\]: too strong to play on kgs
derp [1k\]: think o6 would be natural
spherical [-\]: look up rank conversion on senseis. this question is getting old fast
Violence [-\]: So this match, Rob will probably be playing Japanese theory lines
TheCutpain [9k?\]: yeah, make more original questions
dxxd [-\]: freddygo, there are european pro players
Violence [-\]: since he usually hangs out in Japan
Violence [-\]: vs Kim's Korean vars, like Q8
freddygo [5k\]: i know there are european pros but i was talking about amateurs
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;W[no]C[yithril [2d\]: maybe the korean stuff is normal to me :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: o5 is pushing it
Processus [2k\]: hier j'ai mangé un escalier
TheCutpain [9k?\]: im used to get killed by koreans at cyberoro
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;B[mq]C[Violence [-\]: I think this is a very positive move
djedje55 [16k\]: QU est ce que t avais faim !
Violence [-\]: black is so quick to submit though, kinda odd
TheCutpain [9k?\]: make a sandwich, djedje
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;W[ko]C[Violence [-\]: Why does black play so quickly?
jankenpon: tenuki for great justice!
royalty [4d\]: if you are confident of your moves, why think
beehappy [8k?\]: Y not?
derp [1k\]: maybe not much to think about
beehappy [8k?\]: :D
TheCutpain [9k?\]: itd eurogotv who relays slow
jankenpon: c14 please
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: Maybe he expected these moves.. =)
Violence [-\]: no, I'm watching the live feed
djedje55 [16k\]: i answer a joke to processus, cuptain
Uberdude [4d?\]: w does seem a little better
TheCutpain [9k?\]: i see
freddygo [5k\]: i like black because of his more solid territory
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: or am I giving my countryman too much credit now? ^
yithril [2d\]: I don't think he's concerned with resisting
Uberdude [4d?\]: feels black submizssive a little
yithril [2d\]: he's prolly pretty happy
TheCutpain [9k?\]: maybe he studied the game before
Violence [-\]: I think black was too slack here...
Violence [-\]: this kobayashi feels better for white, to me at least
ammon [3k\]: he might have kgs addict
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes L3 would be lame
yuko [?\]: ? is this live?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: duh
PinotNero [2k\]: M4 sente... den D15?
hui [1k\]: yes
seppy [?\]: p6?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
dxxd [-\]: if Rob had this position as white, would you think the same way
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes
jankenpon: dxxd yes
Violence [-\]: yeah, I think so
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;B[mm]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: cf joseki
Uberdude [4d?\]: w o6 and b n4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: boom
PinotNero [2k\]: w00t
yuko [?\]: what's the prize money at this tournament?
Uberdude [4d?\]: b is lower
TheCutpain [9k?\]: no money
Violence [-\]: well, yithril, you got some funky flavored ice cream now
royalty [4d\]: no wonder black isn't so interested
Akisame [8k\]: agressive
yithril [2d\]: thank god
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1rt prize 1500 euro
czy1985 [4k\]: u guys were saying b is submissive? ...
yuko [?\]: cool
Violence [-\]: he was being submissive
TheCutpain [9k?\]: prize is discount at the amsterdam coffeeshps :-)
djedje55 [16k\]: how round to win ?
freddygo [5k\]: i thought the player on the right was a girl at first
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: :p
hui [1k\]: why?
royalty [4d\]: black moves seemed all fine to me
GenVital [6k\]: what are the time settings?
spherical [-\]: they're in groningen, cut
kurohana [6k\]: me too.... an old lady i thought...
TheCutpain [9k?\]: hollans is small
freddygo [5k\]: ya
TheCutpain [9k?\]: Holland *
numuri [2d\]: Are there posted the yesterday restults anywhere?
Violence [-\]: I think... N4... then O8?
djedje55 [16k\]: EUROGO, how round to win?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 10
Highwayman [1d\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
TheCutpain [9k?\]: M4
djedje55 [16k\]: thx
Violence [-\]: Or... N5? I'm not quite sure how to respond here.
yithril [2d\]: i thought o 3 would be fun
YukiStone [3k\]: o6
numuri [2d\]: Thank you Highwayman!
Violence [-\]: The thing is that I wonder what this stone aims at
Orc [4d\]: the guy in pink seems to be distressed
TheCutpain [9k?\]: M4 is pro move
yuko [?\]: is the European player Belgian?
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think black sacrificed bottom moyo
kukulis4 [2d\]: white should attack bottom now
Violence [-\]: if white can fix properly, N7 doesn't feel like a good exchange
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Dutch
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;W[nn]C[royalty [4d\]: o6
yithril [2d\]: hokays
royalty [4d\]: duh, i was let
royalty [4d\]: late
numuri [2d\]: The Belgian player is European for sufe!
Uberdude [4d?\]: w says thank you
numuri [2d\]: sure
Violence [-\]: yeah, I don't like this exchange...
nay4ok [1d?\]: EuroGo, any russians playing today?
Violence [-\]: N7 for O6 makes white stronger
TheCutpain [9k?\]: some belgians are not from this planet :-)
Orc [4d\]: is there a result for yesterday's match? I couldnt find it anywhere
hui [1k\]: kind of kikashi answered passively
spherical [-\]: i'm sure van zeijst has considered this move
dxxd [-\]: http://www.egc2009.com/?q=node/1472
kukulis4 [2d\]: white strenghtened his group and now will attack bottom
royalty [4d\]: but n7 lessens white potential a little
Orc [4d\]: thx dxxd
royalty [4d\]: black must play m4 or such now
hui [1k\]: L3
Violence [-\]: really royalty?
Uberdude [4d?\]: that egc page we have to count form 1 to 17!
Violence [-\]: it just feels too close to white strong shape now
frktos [2k\]: d15 c15 d14 c14 d13 c13 c13 d12 c12 d11 c11 d10 c10 d9 c9 d8 c8 good for b
YukiStone [3k\]: L7
royalty [4d\]: but it has 4 liberties
beehappy [8k?\]: l8 
frktos [2k\]: b gets big thickness
Violence [-\]: I feel like it will get swallowed on a large scale, personally...
Violence [-\]: it just feels like a bad forcing move to me, s'all
royalty [4d\]: possible
EuroGoTV1 [-\]:  results and pairing:  http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472 
Uberdude [4d?\]: frktos, what stupidity
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Violence [-\]: oh nice, results
Violence [-\]: Thanks, Eurogo
yuko [?\]: lol did you guys see the sash on the ref.?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: hehe yea ^^
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: "look guys i'm pretty" ^-^
yuko [?\]: yeah must feel super important 
Akisame [8k\]: why is this the only live broadcast ? eurogotv?
TheMagic [3k\]: a tasteful name plate wouldn't have sufficed?
seppy [?\]: w o3 cut?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: "miss ref egc 2009" ^^
Violence [-\]: I opt for a cool hat.
hui [1k\]: only better as no
Violence [-\]: Everyone respects a cool hat.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: also boards 2 and 3 are om kgs
pel [2k?\]: as important as you must feel for saying that..
Orc [4d\]: is white korean?
Akisame [8k\]: ah ok thx
Akisame [8k\]: yes
Violence [-\]: yeah
Orc [4d\]: Lots of "Kim" in korea
royalty [4d\]: requesting silly hat man to make a reappearance
royalty [4d\]: didn't see him the first time
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: Agreed, a cool hat would have been a clear sign of his absolute authority
TheMagic [3k\]: I don't really like W's position, what do other people think?
royalty [4d\]: it's pretty 50/50
YukiStone [3k\]: it looks better than blacks 
TheCutpain [9k?\]: W is in winning position
MoonCrash [5k\]: b not being hasty
Violence [-\]: Comparing it to other Kobayashi positions I know of, Magic, I think this one is better for white
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont like both positions
Orc [4d\]: its hard to comment whether white has tichkness or weak grp here
kapow [12k\]: how much time do they have
yuko [?\]: what are their time limits anyone know?
BlackSmurf [2k\]: same for me eurogotv ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2.5 hours
Violence [-\]: Yeah, Orc, I think it really comes down to subsequent play
tsuchigumo [-\]: either Harry either :)
Orc [4d\]: seems white has weakness at Q9
TheMagic [3k\]: seems to me like B has already made a lot of cash
seppy [?\]: hey w o3 cuts?
yuko [?\]: themagic why would u say that?
GenVital [6k\]: 2.5 hours absolute?
YukiStone [3k\]: k4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no+ 1 miniteby
GenVital [6k\]: ty
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 minute by
Violence [-\]: if we count, the territory that black has made is substantial, but not as big as it looks, Magic
BlackSmurf [2k\]: cuts what seppy?
Uberdude [4d?\]: black not much territory yet
yuko [?\]: how deep in to the tournament is this quarter final semi etc?
seppy [?\]: n3-q3
spherical [-\]: options -> rules
Violence [-\]: Round 2.
Uberdude [4d?\]: 8 points or so at p2
BlackSmurf [2k\]: no...i dont think so
Violence [-\]: there are no quarter or semi finals, yuko
Orc [4d\]: the game is still even, no side is better
Violence [-\]: because it's a round robin
PinotNero [2k\]: w O3 b O4
Uberdude [4d?\]: 10 or right side
Violence [-\]: not an elimination
yuko [?\]: ah i c
yuko [?\]: ty
Uberdude [4d?\]: and maybe 5 poinrs at h3
yuko [?\]: that's awesome
yuko [?\]: that's the fairest system
TheCutpain [9k?\]: O 3 doesnt cut
yuko [?\]: is that how it always is for go?
Violence [-\]: That's how it is always for Euro and US Opens
Violence [-\]: but not for most international tournaments
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;B[mj]C[PinotNero [2k\]: w M3 maybe something
beehappy [8k?\]: хммм
Tobamf [20k?\]: Cool
Violence [-\]: Mmm, I think this is a nice move
Uberdude [4d?\]: elimination would be boring for most of the people
Tobamf [20k?\]: I think black used to play as Zend here on KGS
yuko [?\]: boring?
yuko [?\]: unfair maybe
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, they'd not be playing
yuko [?\]: cuz of the draw
royalty [4d\]: this was one option but n3 is going to get a little hurt, i think
spherical [-\]: elimination usually entails a phase of extreme terror followed by oblivion
yuko [?\]: lol
Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't want to go toa  2 week tournament and get knocked out in first round with nothing to do all fortnight
Violence [-\]: agree
yuko [?\]: haha i c
PinotNero [2k\]: round robin or double elimination, most fair... but takes time
yuko [?\]: double elim even isn't so fair 
yuko [?\]: unless they seat the player
Tobamf [20k?\]: complete elimination is most fair
yuko [?\]: by rank
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ^^
yuko [?\]: complete elim?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: W L3
Violence [-\]: This is why in most elimination tournaments, there are qualifiers, seeds, and each 1-2 rounds are their own events
Violence [-\]: the whole thing isn't done all at once
Tobamf [20k?\]: yeah, in complete elimination, you lose and they shoot you, so you don't have to wait.
Violence [-\]: So everyone goes home at the same time, regardless of winner or loser
royalty [4d\]: in complete elim you must win your game to get an antidote for the virus they injected you with in the beginning of the game
tsuchigumo [-\]: Anyone else remember when van Zeist and Adam Pirani were the wunderkinder of European go
yuko [?\]: ha - ha
hui [1k\]: i like this N10 nobody predict it here
Tobamf [20k?\]: black predicted it
Violence [-\]: Royalty, Hachi-One Diver much?
TetsuoKaga [8k?\]: :/
yuko [?\]: anyone know the ages of the players?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: N10 is i my book
hui [1k\]: black is not here
Uberdude [4d?\]: adam priani lost to francis roads recently
MoonCrash [5k\]: b momentarily distracted by hot redhead
spherical [-\]: zeijst looks 40-something
yuko [?\]: lol
yuko [?\]: @ hot red head comment
TheCutpain [9k?\]: 40 +? thats good, hes older
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: is it normal to just leave like that?
Orc [4d\]: I found game played here have much higher quality than the one on kgs, more time and more serious I guess
royalty [4d\]: there's a benny hill scene going behind the door
yuko [?\]: everyone's crowding in to that room now
royalty [4d\]: always happens when one player leaves his seat
Violence [-\]: L3, I see. White's pretty relentless
TheMagic [3k\]: crowding? maybe 3 or 4 people =)
Orc [4d\]: why every1 is watching 2nd board?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Pirani had a lot of talent imo
YukiStone [3k\]: eurogo, L3
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;W[kq]C[yuko [?\]: they have too much time
YukiStone [3k\]: thx
TheCutpain [9k?\]: yeah, played my move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
yithril [2d\]: lol
yithril [2d\]: im sorry that they're not entertaining you
yuko [?\]: yeah i can't follow it with any insight since im a newb
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: same here ^^
YukiStone [3k\]: s3 only move?
Hanne [3k\]: l2 = pain
yuko [?\]: maybe when they start to fight
chute [2k\]: s3 ?????
Gims [-\]: o4 +
derp [1k\]: m4 peep?
Gims [-\]: ? *
GenVital [6k\]: how much time left from beginning?
derp [1k\]: or is that bad form
tsuchigumo [-\]: Looks severe  to me
Ephemere [2d\]: k3  is likely
chute [2k\]: even l2 would be more positive than s3 - not, that i find l2 good
TheCutpain [9k?\]: m4 weak player peep
TheCutpain [9k?\]: S3 to live
YukiStone [3k\]: k3, l2
Ephemere [2d\]: never try to live when there is other possibilities...
spherical [-\]: like dying, eph?
dxxd [-\]: like dying?
Goemon [?\]: o2 is next for w imho
YukiStone [3k\]: yah but b cant hurt both groups
TheCutpain [9k?\]: sure, but I dont know other posible moves :-)
Ephemere [2d\]: k3 L2 is a good exchange for B IMHO
YukiStone [3k\]: s3 doesnt hurt j4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: guo juan 5p watching
Ephemere [2d\]: lol gys, no like going out
hui [1k\]: s3 shenggen
Violence [-\]: I think Guo Juan would approve of L3
Violence [-\]: relentless attacking move
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: Man, those referee priviliges
tsuchigumo [-\]: The sash is a killer
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: he gets drinks??
tsuchigumo [-\]: Can't get over it
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: I know right ^^
Orc [4d\]: it would be good if there is some pro/strong players make official comment on these games while it is played
hui [1k\]: sure
Hanne [3k\]: there's a 60% chance that this game will end before move 100
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: yes, i'd like that too 
nay4ok [1d?\]: i have an interesting question to EuroGoTV...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: shoot
TheCutpain [9k?\]: Orc, you gonna pay them to comment?
Orc [4d\]: hmm I d pay for the tv 
Violence [-\]: The US does that for the ING Masters Tournament top board
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: I'd give him a sash for it
TheCutpain [9k?\]: :-)
holynec [?\]: Orc, please pay
nay4ok [1d?\]: Are you allowed to bring go books like let's say on fuseki or joseki to the tournament?
Orc [4d\]: ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i think n7 was greedy
yithril [2d\]: I'd laugh at someone if they did
Violence [-\]: greedy?
takanashi [7d\]: pairing for 2nd round exist?
Violence [-\]: How is it greedy?
holynec [?\]: i do it every game
Gims [-\]: computer software that allow you to do pattern searchs then ?
yithril [2d\]: yeah greedy isn't the word i was looking for
Orc [4d\]: N7 gives white bad aji I think its good move
royalty [4d\]: black needs to consult with mogo
Violence [-\]: I think N7 is just a bad exchange, personally
spherical [-\]: but you said n10 is nice. would it be as nice without n7?
nay4ok [1d?\]: yeah, what about pocket PC's cellphones and such... I mean they can get help on a difficult positions from someone
Violence [-\]: I think so
nay4ok [1d?\]: that doesn't seem fare
Violence [-\]: I don't like the N7 exchange, but I like N10
tsuchigumo [-\]: That is why I hate go programmers, some day soon soon atg the EGC they will be scanning the toilets for laptops as is now the case in the chess world
nay4ok [1d?\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i you want to cheat you can, but live go players are no cheaters
nay4ok [1d?\]: how do you know
nay4ok [1d?\]: they go to the toilets right?
yithril [2d\]: I dunno unless they have lee sedol on the other end
yithril [2d\]: not sure who would help them
Violence [-\]: What can they check, nay?
Violence [-\]: Seriously, play someone of that level
TheCutpain [9k?\]: can you hide Lee Sedol in the toilet?
Violence [-\]: what kind of printed material do you think you can access that would give you a chance?
spherical [-\]: in the eu, all toilets are required to be monitored by closed-circuit tv for safety reasons
nay4ok [1d?\]: I mean for sure if you really really wanna win
Orc [4d\]: why the pros become 7d on the list?
TheMagic [3k\]: violence probably has it right
YukiStone [3k\]: besides that would be pretty pathetic if a 7d needed to cheat on a position
Goemon [?\]: b m3
spherical [-\]: no way to hide a sedol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 7d is the highest european rank and we play with egf ranks
nay4ok [1d?\]: you can have a cell chat with your pro teacher per say
TheMagic [3k\]: it's probably impossible to cheat unless you had a little council of go players you consulted for each move
Edelweiss [-\]: become 7d cause there is no pro in egf
Violence [-\]: And you're going to describe the situation, move for move?
yithril [2d\]: in front of your opponent?
nay4ok [1d?\]: yeah! you have 5h on your hands!
Orc [4d\]: if u have a group of pro's helping u through the phone, u will win for sure
shodansoon [-\]: nothing is for sure
yithril [2d\]: they'd prolly ask why you were calling
IGoofy [1d\]: the teacher can see th esituation here 
yithril [2d\]: "uh no reason just had a game i was having trouble with"
tsuchigumo [-\]: Tricky Carpenters Square shape? Look it up!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i doubr it; the 5 pros have all different (conflicting) styles
nay4ok [1d?\]: and after that you and group of pros will share the prize. That's a brilliant idea
yithril [2d\]: "let me see it..." "uh...not right now"
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: doubt
TheCutpain [9k?\]: imagine having  a pro waiting for your question in the toilet :-)
Violence [-\]: nay, I really doubt you can get away with it
YukiStone [3k\]: how about J3
holynec [?\]: in the toilet, or on
TheCutpain [9k?\]: in
Reym: if he has a wig you could switch with him
TheCutpain [9k?\]: must hide
Orc [4d\]: what if she is lady pro?
holynec [?\]: guud idea
nay4ok [1d?\]: then why toilets are scanned in the chess pro world?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all that to win a go book
Violence [-\]: describing a position move by more is hard enough
spherical [-\]: if in trouble, just go to the big white phone and call ralüh
spherical [-\]: *ralph
Kyuss [1k\]: you really think top european players consult eidogo?
Violence [-\]: Because, nay, computer resources in chess are much more powerful than computer resources in Go
TheMagic [3k\]: because computers can beat top players in chess
hui [1k\]: nay chess is chess and go is another game
Violence [-\]: try to use Kogo's Joseki Dictionary against Gu Li
Violence [-\]: let's see how far that gets you
TheMagic [3k\]: lol
TheCutpain [9k?\]: haha
shodansoon [-\]: you could go to the toilet and ask butterbot what to do
Lionking [2d\]: or turbogo
nay4ok [1d?\]: I'm just saying you can go to the toilet and call lets say you'r pro teacher and ask him on a position
shodansoon [-\]: butterbot says self atari
Violence [-\]: On the other hand, using ChessBase against Kramnik would get you much better results
Love4You [10k\]: butterbot doesnt even need to know the board position :D
TheCutpain [9k?\]: eidogo is for kyu cheating at 40 minutes games
TheCutpain [9k?\]: and they still lose
Violence [-\]: what kind of question?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Computers will get very strong at tsume go soon
Reym: in the toilet you could reaf the kibitz comments full of insight!
Reym: read, sorry
Violence [-\]: What kind of question can you ask?
Orc [4d\]: computer go programs are stupid, u really need to ask urself why u need help from them
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Violence [-\]: yeah, tsuchi, but in most games, a tsumego is linked to the board situation
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: so computers are pretty decent chess players now? how does that influence the pro scene?
derp [1k\]: is that his mom?
hui [1k\]: just enjoy a real life tournament one time and you will never speak again about cheating
CheG [5k?\]: Сoffee
Jadeite [?\]: cheating is stupid.
TheMagic [3k\]: is there a cash prize or something?
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;B[lp]C[TheCutpain [9k?\]: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
TheCutpain [9k?\]: B lost
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ?
Orc [4d\]: think the cash prize would be substential as its sponsorship
StefanRadu [1d?\]: hehe
derp [1k\]: was only move, obviously
yuko [?\]: 15 k euro for winner
nay4ok [1d?\]: i don't know but you can. the whole idea of the possibility of cheating that's what discomforts me
suechan [5d\]: wow
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: i think they said 1.5k
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ^^
YukiStone [3k\]: with so much time waiting.... why didnt white already have a response to this
StefanRadu [1d?\]: B going for the big fish
yuko [?\]: oh 1.5
yuko [?\]: my bad
suechan [5d\]: 150k ?
TheMagic [3k\]: lol, ok
suechan [5d\]: 15k ?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: :D
suechan [5d\]: :0
Violence [-\]: that's the thing
Orc [4d\]: 15K yen?
hui [1k\]: kuai
yuko [?\]: lol
Violence [-\]: if cheating becomes more prominent
royalty [4d\]: 1.5kilos of gold
yuko [?\]: lol
Violence [-\]: then so will security against cheating
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: 1.5k Dutch...euros.
holynec [?\]: is he picking his nose
Orc [4d\]: 1 Japanese yen = 0.00640977329 British pounds
tsuchigumo [-\]: Could be an early finish to this game
yuko [?\]: no i think he's just sniffing his wrist
Ephemere [2d\]: o2 is tempting as a probe...
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: you guys think M4 is really such a bad move?
Mukti [4d\]: B has to make this attach or his position is in shreds. wL3 so brave....
IGoofy [1d\]: they should play naked to avoid cheating and no toilet breaks
hui [1k\]: cheating apart on kgs is something which sounds very strange in the go world at least
TheCutpain [9k?\]: what can do M4?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Peter Zandveld !
holynec [?\]: IGoofy, good idea
TheCutpain [9k?\]: only makes W solid
nay4ok [1d?\]: you're right vio. still. I brought that subject up because I think I would use the oportunity to cheat
Kenjutsu [2k\]: hahaha, its too funny watching them play live....
nay4ok [1d?\]: if it were for money
Kenjutsu [2k\]: the guy is like drinking coffee
derp [1k\]: if connects, he can m5 and cut
TheCutpain [9k?\]: pls, drop the cheatig convo
IGoofy [1d\]: that would boost women tounaments too
holynec [?\]: white has a fan?!
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: yeah derp i was looking at that too
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;W[lo]
;B[kp]C[TsuiokuHen [6k\]: i wonder what that cut would accomplish
]
;W[jp]C[Violence [-\]: oh, I see
GenVital [6k\]: wow 2 fast moves
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: wowo 3 moves at once!
Violence [-\]: this is a nice plan
yuko [?\]: lol
yuko [?\]: that blew my mind
Violence [-\]: White takes little risk, but black can't avoid damage
TheCutpain [9k?\]: W wins
]
;B[jo]C[TsuiokuHen [6k\]: haha
Orc [4d\]: white N4 for exchange?
]
;W[mp]C[chute [2k\]: the only idea is to cut after l4, black would have been obliged to that having caused l4
TheCutpain [9k?\]: sure
hui [1k\]: weakness at O3 in black shape?
Mukti [4d\]: W creating lots of aji, which will help him settle his group comfortably
Violence [-\]: I like this result for white
Ephemere [2d\]: q3 stones dead...
kukulis4 [2d\]: no
fatihsulak [2d\]: big exchange?
Mukti [4d\]: and he has a cut after M3, O3, O2, N2
Orc [4d\]: blk has no choice now
TheCutpain [9k?\]: guojuan said M4 is bad
nay4ok [1d?\]: yeah, what's he thinking about?
Ephemere [2d\]: m3 o3 o2 n2 m2 p2 n1 p3 ...
kukulis4 [2d\]: cant believe q3 dead
holynec [?\]: ooo i want a camera on guojuan reviewing ^^
Mukti [4d\]: B has been tricked...
Ephemere [2d\]: q3 dead to me...
kukulis4 [2d\]: wow
Ephemere [2d\]: b tricked himself
Lionking [2d\]: resign
Lionking [2d\]: :D
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ? :/
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: you guys think
suechan [5d\]: 15k :))
yithril [2d\]: argh
holynec [?\]: well if game ends early, you get to enjoy more of congress
fatihsulak [2d\]: trade is even but black  n7 n10 useless after trade
tsuchigumo [-\]: dear oh dear
TheCutpain [9k?\]: B should read my book
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: black missed this when he played K5 ?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: it's only 1 move looking ahead..i expect him to be able to do that, frankly
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;B[lq]
;W[nq]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: b 7d?
Orc [4d\]: K5 is a mistake i think
TheMagic [3k\]: B problems
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: O2?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: resign is no problem
]
;B[jq]C[YukiStone [3k\]: o2 fails
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: how?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ah
Onmyoji [2d\]: dead corner
Neospring [4k\]: fat guy with fan...
royalty [4d\]: o2 would be fine
IGoofy [1d\]: european shouldnt play at the egc. they are too weak.
royalty [4d\]: but black prefers to have a little more thickness
holynec [?\]: lol look at breakfast's face
holynec [?\]: he frowned for a second
Violence [-\]: I think now white has a clear advantage
Orc [4d\]: the coner is still huge...
nay4ok [1d?\]: was it Dinnerchtein right now?
Mukti [4d\]: Black is one of the strongest of all amateur players, iGoofy
hui [1k\]: sure
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: bo2 wn2 bm2 wp2
holynec [?\]: he was the short one in the middle
Mukti [4d\]: He just suffered from an oversight
tsuchigumo [-\]: Not easy being an ex-wunderkind
fatihsulak [2d\]: corner is huge but game is still playable 
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: but that's already old
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: cuz he didn't play it :)\]
yuko [?\]: this isn't a pro tournament?
seppy [?\]: uhm w got 27 points corner
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ._.
royalty [4d\]: white shouldn't be even thinking of his next move
Neospring [4k\]: big sacrifc by b..
]
;W[or]C[Goemon [?\]: w 43 b 24
Violence [-\]: Yuko, it's the European Open
yuko [?\]: does open mean amateurs and pros 
IGoofy [1d\]: even if b that strong a 7d should stand more than 37 moves
Orc [4d\]: is P2 clearer capture than O2?
hui [1k\]: whhy P2 better as O2?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Goofy has the right idea, ban all European players from the European  championships.
Violence [-\]: yeah, there are pros in it
]
;B[ce]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: koreans come to european tournaments for easy money
Akisame [8k\]: ^^
IGoofy [1d\]: sure
]
;W[ed]C[Reym: are you jealou that european can play and learn against pro asians? :)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: black has to be sad abotu his result in the lower right...
Orc [4d\]: korean and chinese, japanese pro came to the congress for teaching go, not for money
nay4ok [1d?\]: b looks sad
Violence [-\]: We get that around in US too, Reym
chute [2k\]: on that level it's probably over
InABuzz [4k\]: still some aji
]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]C[Violence [-\]: An A class Korean insei came to the 2007 East Coast Oza
yuko [?\]: if black was a wonder kid how long ago was that? he seems like he's 40 something
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: black fighting spirit!
Ephemere [2d\]: b hope: attack c6  stones...
Violence [-\]: err 2008 Oza
Processus [2k\]: lol, i think the price for flying from korea to europe is more expensive than the price of the winning mzn
Processus [2k\]: man
chute [2k\]: the worst are the useless n7/10
seppy [?\]: uhm are these guys top korean ama playerS?
shika12 [2k\]: this is not a completely bad game for black
royalty [4d\]: processus, not really
chute [2k\]: two moves pffffffft
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i think n7 was mistake
Violence [-\]: it's not over, but I think white is ahead
Orc [4d\]: these are korean players living in europe
derp [1k\]: not worthless, b will get huge moyo in center
YukiStone [3k\]: shouldnt c15 be d15? or is that bad
tsuchigumo [-\]: imo the game is over, huge loss
noned [2d\]: korea-europe-korea = 700e maybe?
Violence [-\]: Kim Eunkuk is a European resident?
]
;W[co]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[eq]
;B[fr]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
]
;W[es]C[InABuzz [4k\]: noned: riga, kazachstan, china, train, train,train 400 e^^ lol
]
;B[fp]C[TsuiokuHen [6k\]: :D
Kenjutsu [2k\]: b is like testing whites ability to kill corners
Akisame [8k\]: xD
IGoofy [1d\]: b thinks he is in a hidden comedian show maybe
Violence [-\]: This corner can't be killed yet...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white has to defend cut...
noned [2d\]: train is a bit more uncomfortable maybe :)
Violence [-\]: as far as I know
YukiStone [3k\]: nah cut at d5 works
IGoofy [1d\]: w is hape kerkeling
Orc [4d\]: white can't kill now, but blk will end up gote here, so I don't like F4
Kenjutsu [2k\]: the korean dude looks like "man"
Violence [-\]: but black has to live with like... B4, I think
]
;W[dl]
;B[bp]C[Violence [-\]: Yeah...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: pincer..
menchi [?\]: why b4 not b5?
Orc [4d\]: is D8 better than E6?
Violence [-\]: So now, I guess white's going to play on the top side?
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;W[ch]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: b has lost this game
Violence [-\]: I see, this is too huge
Processus [2k\]: K 17 seems big
ChemBoy613 [-\]: pincer is too natural...
YukiStone [3k\]: thats why d8
InABuzz [4k\]: no
ChemBoy613 [-\]: d 8 was a very nice moe
InABuzz [4k\]: d8 was against the d5 cut
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: yea
ChemBoy613 [-\]: and
ChemBoy613 [-\]: this
YukiStone [3k\]: right but for extension.....
ChemBoy613 [-\]: nice move
Orc [4d\]: looks blk lost already
Ephemere [2d\]: d8 is a beautifull move... a pleasure to watch this kind of game
]
;B[dk]C[Orc [4d\]: D8 becomes perfect after C12 is played
nay4ok [1d?\]: it doesn't look to me that way
Violence [-\]: Black starts to try and mess up the situation
IGoofy [1d\]: man i have a book by rob. i will burn it.
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: haha
royalty [4d\]: well, he only has to get back about 15-20 points
Violence [-\]: I think this is Black's last ditch effort
YukiStone [3k\]: he played k5 too hastily
Orc [4d\]: I have a feeling white is much stronger at fighting than blk
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white just have to play sane
Violence [-\]: What do you mean, Chem?
yithril [2d\]: "i am losing"
Violence [-\]: Can you see all the variations?
holynec [?\]: black's hands are up
Lionking [2d\]: double hane here
ChemBoy613 [-\]: no.. .but white is ahead and strong enough... stay sane
holynec [?\]: he gives up?!
Violence [-\]: black's going to try and mess everything up, so rather than sane, I think you have to play sharply
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: yithril, you were translating his body language? ^^
royalty [4d\]: if anything europeans have learned to do is to mess up the situation when in trouble
yithril [2d\]: i was translating his move :)
Orc [4d\]: white B5 is sente, white is safe
just9x9 [-\]: hehe meet insanity with violence?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
royalty [4d\]: is that the referee or someone else
TheMagic [3k\]: C9 seems natural
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: reporter
NattyIce [1k\]: where tv2 and tv3?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: E9
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe tomorrow tv2
Violence [-\]: I think white will come up with a something special here, I don't know though
NattyIce [1k\]: thx
spherical [-\]: hanne's prediction about this game's ending before move 100 looks good
Hanne [3k\]: c9 special enough?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: C9 seems seems boring, I prefer E9
TheMagic [3k\]: lol, something special?
TheMagic [3k\]: super move perhaps
Kenjutsu [2k\]: EuroGoTV, only one game being boardcast today?
StefanRadu [1d?\]: simply c9?
YukiStone [3k\]: c9 c8
Violence [-\]: as in, something besides normal tolerating
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 on kGS 1 on EuroGoTV
bERt0r [11k\]: if e9 cut is possible again
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;W[cl]C[Kenjutsu [2k\]: thnx
YukiStone [3k\]: white has to watch d5 cut now
Violence [-\]: So I think he's aiming to E13
Orc [4d\]: blk is aiming D5 cut in fact, white might not have ladder after some exchange
Violence [-\]: err E12
YukiStone [3k\]: thats why solid is my guess
ChemBoy613 [-\]: he just wants to weaken c12 somehow
StefanRadu [1d?\]: black must e9/f9, unless hes trying to mess things up.
Orc [4d\]: who is the camera following?
]
;B[dh]C[Violence [-\]: This attachment is probably inevitable
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: japanese 9p
NattyIce [1k\]: eunkuk former 1st class insei i assume?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: how is d5 cut???
TheCutpain [9k?\]: d5 seems to die
nay4ok [1d?\]: devide
YukiStone [3k\]: d5 is fine now....
YukiStone [3k\]: if c9, black can cross cut
YukiStone [3k\]: and possibly gain an advantage
YukiStone [3k\]: since white has to keep d5 in mind
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i feel outside hane?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: I read d5 dead, whay I am missing?
just9x9 [-\]: nothing cutpain
chute [2k\]: nothing
ChemBoy613 [-\]: well, there's a weakness there
TheCutpain [9k?\]: what *
holynec [?\]: you missing nothing
IGoofy [1d\]: isnt it impolite to continue the game with black ?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: that's all
YukiStone [3k\]: cutpain, you missed everything i said :))))
chute [2k\]: they talked about crosscut sequences
Orc [4d\]: igoofy blk haven't lose yet
TheCutpain [9k?\]: ?
Violence [-\]: D12, I think...
Violence [-\]: err D13, I mean
TheMagic [3k\]: it didn't seem like the cross cut was that big a deal to me
ChemBoy613 [-\]: yeah, i agree
Orc [4d\]: blk is behind but playable
Violence [-\]: I think that's what white will play...
Ukasuhs [1k\]: d5 just dies
InABuzz [4k\]: for now :P
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;W[cg]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: white is more calm than all of us
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: so what about E6 for black
spherical [-\]: w playing super safe
TheMagic [3k\]: well he's ahead =)
Violence [-\]: I don't think this has to do with calm
Violence [-\]: I think it has to do with reading
just9x9 [-\]: d5 was an eventual issue before white defended solidly at c8, now d5 is quite gone
TheCutpain [9k?\]: he is reading calmly
]
;B[ck]C[lIlIIlIII [7d\]: k17 area is very big
Violence [-\]: ??? What does this move do?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: E6 would make D5 a threat again
ChemBoy613 [-\]: black wants to kill white's wall
dutchman [3d\]: b wants to attack the whites 
YukiStone [3k\]: he is trying to attack e1...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i just think d14...
Orc [4d\]: but blk is weak himself here
Violence [-\]: Just... E9... right?
YusufS [2k\]: black aiming at e6? 
chute [2k\]: .... and why shouldn't he - eye-space narrow there
YukiStone [3k\]: e9 d11
]
;W[ek]
;B[ci]C[hui [1k\]: trying to put in use N7 N10
TheCutpain [9k?\]: hane first
YukiStone [3k\]: or that :)))
]
;W[dg]C[Violence [-\]: now D13 looks fine
TheCutpain [9k?\]: then W can play F6
Violence [-\]: Black seems kinda farfetched
Violence [-\]: to me
YukiStone [3k\]: another huge corner
TheCutpain [9k?\]: W wins
Orc [4d\]: blk's shape is bad...
Orc [4d\]: E11 is where to secure
YukiStone [3k\]: e12 looks ok
InABuzz [4k\]: e11 gives e7 huge sente
YukiStone [3k\]: how about e15?
yuko [?\]: white has a small blader
chute [2k\]: e11 gruesome shape
TheMagic [3k\]: I don't think B can tenuki
InABuzz [4k\]: why schould he?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: B can resign soon
just9x9 [-\]: gruesome=bad?
InABuzz [4k\]: connecting is sente
TheMagic [3k\]: E15 would be tenuki, I'm just saying
Jadeite [?\]: did van Zeijst win his game in the 1st round?
YukiStone [3k\]: he can use e15 to extend e12 in sente
Violence [-\]: yes
Jadeite [?\]: must have to be board 1 I guess
just9x9 [-\]: no win no board one I'd say
Violence [-\]: or else he wouldn't be on board 1
Jadeite [?\]: :)
holynec [?\]: im gonna estimate 15 mins on this move
Ukasuhs [1k\]: bt e15 e12 defeats the purpose of b extending to e12
Kenjutsu [2k\]: korean dude is like walking around instead of sitting down
DrH0use [2d\]: are they pro?
]
;B[ei]C[InABuzz [4k\]: uff
chute [2k\]: uuuuh
TheCutpain [9k?\]: 15 minutes?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: atari...
holynec [?\]: cutpain i think you are illiterate...
holynec [?\]: ;)
YusufS [2k\]: does anyone have any information on Eunkuk Kim? I know little to nothing about him 
InABuzz [4k\]: c6 needs a move to fix imo
TheCutpain [9k?\]: F6
YukiStone [3k\]: b5 sente?
nay4ok [1d?\]: what's tome on the clock? zoom?
YusufS [2k\]: yes b5 is sente
InABuzz [4k\]: not sure
InABuzz [4k\]: might end in seki then?
ftroiset [2d\]: no, the L group is dead (and b6 is sente too)
Orc [4d\]: E10 next
InABuzz [4k\]: w not alive either
YukiStone [3k\]: f12 better than e10?
NattyIce [1k\]: artem not at go congress?
ftroiset [2d\]: in fact, b7 is sente
YukiStone [3k\]: b5 helps white get eye shape in sente though
ChemBoy613 [-\]: b7 is sente?
YukiStone [3k\]: b7 doesnt look sente
just9x9 [-\]: b7no sente imho
anapazapa [2d\]: b sente in what way?
ftroiset [2d\]: yes, b7, then d1
YukiStone [3k\]: how is that different than current situation
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ko i guess
YukiStone [3k\]: then a2....
InABuzz [4k\]: b has e6 now anapazapa
InABuzz [4k\]: wrong?
TheCutpain [9k?\]: W f6
ftroiset [2d\]: tokill after d, b5, you need to play a5
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i have to look up anapazapa
holynec [?\]: black is reading something...
Orc [4d\]: A6 is sente
blackauron [-\]: where can i find the egc results chart? is it online?
Akisame [8k\]: how old is w? 
royalty [4d\]: what is black reading?
IGoofy [1d\]: b looking for the next bus home
YukiStone [3k\]: newsletter looking thing
YukiStone [3k\]: :)))
TheCutpain [9k?\]: the newspaper
InABuzz [4k\]: isnt this called a common splitting attack?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: how is the sound of the TV feed?
royalty [4d\]: "problem in gotham city!? to the bat mobile!"
TheMagic [3k\]: not great
YukiStone [3k\]: fine eurogo
yuko [?\]: fine
Orc [4d\]: the sound is good 
ChemBoy613 [-\]: he shouldn't mess with his stones like that tho
Orc [4d\]: just no1 makes noise now
IGoofy [1d\]: sing something so we can check it
TheCutpain [9k?\]: lol
TheCutpain [9k?\]: this is not euro pop song contest
wotan123 [2d\]: better is
Hanne [3k\]: e13 or something
InABuzz [4k\]: e6 or b5?
YukiStone [3k\]: i think f12 would be better
TheCutpain [9k?\]: what is W waiting for F6?
YukiStone [3k\]: but i think b5...
holynec [?\]: sound for me is spurty
holynec [?\]: kinda like lag
yuko [?\]: curious, how many US east coast ppl in here?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i'll be there for congress
YukiStone [3k\]: <- central
chute [2k\]: after e13 black e8 perhaps
ChemBoy613 [-\]: in chicago
sefil3k [2k\]: <-- west cost
yuko [?\]: <- west
holynec [?\]: im on da west
holynec [?\]: east coast is 5:30am lol
nay4ok [1d?\]: <-east coast
sefil3k [2k\]: west r0x!
yuko [?\]: lol i know it would me one dedicated go fan
YusufS [2k\]: east coast too 5:30 and a chem exam in 12 hours 
yuko [?\]: lmao
yuko [?\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: <--Germany 11:31
holynec [?\]: 5:30pm isnt that bad :\]
holynec [?\]: lucky you wotan
nay4ok [1d?\]: east coast which cities guys?
yuko [?\]: 5 30 am lol
wotan123 [2d\]: the sun is hot and shining
just9x9 [-\]: how about some focus on the game?
lose100 [1d\]: 5:30 pm is east coast ... china
Gims [-\]: shanghai china 17:36
Hanne [3k\]: maybe w didn't play so safe in the end
NattyIce [1k\]: b about cornel's strength?
yuko [?\]: lol
ftroiset [2d\]: F12 looks important, no?
lose100 [1d\]: maybe cornel's daughter
YukiStone [3k\]: b5 a2 e6 
just9x9 [-\]: as w i would do sth about e8 cut now
InABuzz [4k\]: hey dans: dosnt w have to fix c6 group right now?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: not sure...
holynec [?\]: what do you mean fix
InABuzz [4k\]: so f12 is out of question or?
Hanne [3k\]: fix =sac
InABuzz [4k\]: e6 is a kill 
InABuzz [4k\]: B*
wotan123 [2d\]: how about b10?
holynec [?\]: what if black dies first
fatihsulak [2d\]: ne needs to fix e8 cut only... or he can attack e11 instead
ChemBoy613 [-\]: 36 is pretty severe
YukiStone [3k\]: e5 then e7...
ChemBoy613 [-\]: e6
ChemBoy613 [-\]: but maybe this attack is more severe
ftroiset [2d\]: b5 is a very bad move anyway
fatihsulak [2d\]: w can ignore e5 
YukiStone [3k\]: why is b5 very bad
InABuzz [4k\]: sure he can
holynec [?\]: b5 is sente for white too
InABuzz [4k\]: maybe b can ignore b5, too^
nay4ok [1d?\]: and he can resign after that too
YukiStone [3k\]: if b ignores b dies
fatihsulak [2d\]: corner very big 
fatihsulak [2d\]: 5 white stones is not that big 
ftroiset [2d\]: b5 is white absolute sente, so playing it now is ajikeshi
just9x9 [-\]: but giving e13 sente to b hurts, so maybe w will play fom above
Akisame [8k\]: nobi?
ftroiset [2d\]: as b6, b7 etc are sente too
IGoofy [1d\]: if you ignore b5 you are about european 7d
YukiStone [3k\]: e13 d15 
fatihsulak [2d\]: f12 seems nice and dangerous move
just9x9 [-\]: if you ignore b5 people wll start burning yourbooks... ;)
ftroiset [2d\]: I still thing f12 is best locally
YukiStone [3k\]: but white group is in danger i think
ftroiset [2d\]: b5 is absolute sente, so it is bad :-)
Neospring [4k\]: u can write books at 7d?
YukiStone [3k\]: be5  then be7 
wotan123 [2d\]: but if b ignore b5 its gote killing
InABuzz [4k\]: "making good shape" is an awsome book
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;W[eg]C[TheMagic [3k\]: neo I don't think EGF goes higher than 7d
ftroiset [2d\]: b will never ignore b5 (more than 30 points anyway, not to mention the security of white
IGoofy [1d\]: b should have read it
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white plays safe
Kyuss [1k\]: EGF uses ELO, right?
just9x9 [-\]: yes, you'll learn e11 and stuff...
ftroiset [2d\]: honte
Kyuss [1k\]: in dan ranks, it goes up to 7 but in ELO its infinite
Neospring [4k\]: would it be disrespectful if he began reading a book?
]
;B[el]C[InABuzz [4k\]: here we go
Gims [-\]: or writing one ?
YukiStone [3k\]: b has no choice but to try to kill
ftroiset [2d\]: F9 is dangerous, no?
Kenjutsu [2k\]: b played it like no choice
royalty [4d\]: well, it was the obvious move
ftroiset [2d\]: but F9?
]
;W[em]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: f9 seems super severe
ChemBoy613 [-\]: woah
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: g7 now
holynec [?\]: same the stone
holynec [?\]: *sack
YukiStone [3k\]: e5
]
;B[gl]C[InABuzz [4k\]: e5 small right now
InABuzz [4k\]: i think*
wotan123 [2d\]: g7
YukiStone [3k\]: b needs to take away eye shape
JoshDC [10k\]: f9  better than f7 i think
Kyuss [1k\]: i would e5
YukiStone [3k\]: otherwise how can he kill
hui [1k\]: yes but timing is important yuki
nay4ok [1d?\]: me too
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white wonders how he let this happen...
YukiStone [3k\]: now wb5, a2, e5 is alive
Kyuss [1k\]: w isnt doing so bad, is he, chemboy?
YukiStone [3k\]: so what better time?
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;W[bo]C[InABuzz [4k\]: alive in gote
ChemBoy613 [-\]: white's winning but i feel this is too easy on back
]
;B[eo]
;W[do]C[InABuzz [4k\]: see he ignores b5!!
hui [1k\]:  now lol
Kyuss [1k\]: e5 only move i think :)
]
;B[ar]C[ftroiset [2d\]: you only win once
Ukasuhs [1k\]: he cant ignore b5...
royalty [4d\]: you win once more on review
Ukasuhs [1k\]: e5 is just more sente than b5
]
;W[en]C[InABuzz [4k\]: i ment b5 dosnt force a2 imeediatly
Kyuss [1k\]: w looks alive
YusufS [2k\]: haha, isn't there a proverb about not treating the review like a contest? =)
ChemBoy613 [-\]: alive...
YukiStone [3k\]: so b missed his chance
Neospring [4k\]: looks like b did well here
Kyuss [1k\]: so b9 is sente?
]
;B[jc]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: black result good
]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]
;W[qd]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: double
manuel627 [2d\]: couldn't white play e10 instead of e7?
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;B[qf]C[IGoofy [1d\]: w+50
ChemBoy613 [-\]: oh this one
Kyuss [1k\]: s14 s13 s15 hmm
]
;W[rf]C[YusufS [2k\]: nice black wants sente
yuko [?\]: what's sente mean?
JoshDC [10k\]: initiative
YusufS [2k\]: sente=the initiative
royalty [4d\]: not losing initiative to get to play tenuki
wotan123 [2d\]: the opposite of gote
YusufS [2k\]: black tenukis now?
yuko [?\]: tyty
just9x9 [-\]: sente is mean
hui [1k\]: nice black moyo in perspective
InABuzz [4k\]: maybe better to understand: stente is a move your opponent will awnser locally
yuko [?\]: can we get that body language interpreter on here again?
YukiStone [3k\]: b = stumped
InABuzz [4k\]: gote is a move he can tenuki (play somewhere else he likes)
royalty [4d\]: white is taken aback
YusufS [2k\]: hmm b s13 and black still has sente right, white will have to reply?
yuko [?\]: ty 
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: "You may take this game, but I'm not giving you my hands!!"
imchampion [10k?\]: quickly
imchampion [10k?\]: thang ngu
imchampion [10k?\]: chicken
imchampion [10k?\]: hehehehehe
InABuzz [4k\]: e15 ?
YukiStone [3k\]: e15 too late
fatihsulak [2d\]: i think white plays very passively 
YukiStone [3k\]: doesnt work
fatihsulak [2d\]: if he continue like this black will have a chance
InABuzz [4k\]: i menat light yuki
royalty [4d\]: rather try f17 aiming for c18
InABuzz [4k\]: ment
imchampion [10k?\]: ngu
BHYK [7k\]: r15
imchampion [10k?\]: si tu chj phat trien? ko dong deu`
imchampion [10k?\]: hehe
InABuzz [4k\]: i bet tenuki
imchampion [10k?\]: oh ze^
imchampion [10k?\]: dugsjhmbnc vidlufhvbd,k
imchampion [10k?\]: jgsdvydkzjvzldkjljczguicjgdck zgkdyuh jkhcjg adcujgzlcuijaadgvujncvayuhvnzcyahjnfkdshc
YusufS [2k\]: but can black play s13 first then f17?
just9x9 [-\]: can someone boot the troll pls?
royalty [4d\]: if s13, s15, white p15 becomes hard to handle
bolbi [-\]: done
just9x9 [-\]: thx bolbi
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
Ukasuhs [1k\]: why has no one said b r13
bolbi [-\]: you're welcome
royalty [4d\]: that would be gote
Ukasuhs [1k\]: so is s13
InABuzz [4k\]: so tenuki^
royalty [4d\]: tenuki is pretty sente
ChemBoy613 [-\]: shouldn't black have read these out in advance? :S
TheMagic [3k\]: ?
InABuzz [4k\]: when? last years in spring?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: if tenuki... r13 is hard to handle
ChemBoy613 [-\]: no i mean before r14
ChemBoy613 [-\]: ofc white plays s14
Akisame [8k\]: board 8 is crazy:   	Shikshin Ilya 	- Dinerchtein Alexandre 
royalty [4d\]: chem sure, r10 stones will be in danger
royalty [4d\]: but i dont think black has a choice
YukiStone [3k\]: f15 e15 h14 ?
holynec [?\]: id kill to see board 8 right now
Kenjutsu [2k\]: is that lady a pro?
wotan123 [2d\]: not sure
ftroiset [2d\]: no, but she is strong :-)
royalty [4d\]: anyway, i think f17
nay4ok [1d?\]: oh... where can I see it?
nay4ok [1d?\]: Akisame
wotan123 [2d\]: the sister from roin 111
InABuzz [4k\]: f15?
nay4ok [1d?\]: can you create it?
nay4ok [1d?\]: recreate
spherical [-\]: what about q9 for b?
IGoofy [1d\]: w playing shogi in the hall
YusufS [2k\]: lol 
InABuzz [4k\]: maybe b9 first?
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;B[pk]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow
spherical [-\]: yay!
just9x9 [-\]: best call ever
royalty [4d\]: or disregard that, c18 to start with probably better
ftroiset [2d\]: Ilya is a very strong boy. His sister is a pro
wotan123 [2d\]: strong go family
spherical [-\]: now n7/10 starting to look useful again
royalty [4d\]: woman looks scared
nay4ok [1d?\]: AlexD is pro too but it doesn't say much of his strenght
wotan123 [2d\]: correct
YukiStone [3k\]: anyone count yet?
YukiStone [3k\]: how far behind is b?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: feels significant...
yithril [2d\]: k15?
wotan123 [2d\]: i think AlexD is not strong like milanmilan
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;W[ok]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]
;B[pm]C[nay4ok [1d?\]: who's miilanmilan? pro?
JoshDC [10k\]: p7 
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;W[nm]
;B[nk]C[wotan123 [2d\]: milanmilan is pro
noned [2d\]: now this is nice for b
yithril [2d\]: or l 16
YukiStone [3k\]: was p6 not possible????
ChemBoy613 [-\]: atari
YusufS [2k\]: milanmilan = pete liu chinese 2p right?
wotan123 [2d\]: oui
YusufS [2k\]: merci
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
hui [1k\]: black just catch 2 stones..K14 not bigger?
InABuzz [4k\]: n8 huge
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;W[hc]C[InABuzz [4k\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
manuel627 [2d\]: hm
InABuzz [4k\]: n8???
just9x9 [-\]: wow inducing k15?
InABuzz [4k\]: now??
just9x9 [-\]: w must be very cnfident to lead
nay4ok [1d?\]: comparing milanmilan with AlexD isn't necessary. he's still can be compared to Il'ya or other 8d's I think he's as strong as 8d KGS, no?
YusufS [2k\]: yeah moyo suddenly appears =) 
yithril [2d\]: yeah i dunno
royalty [4d\]: not big enough moyo like this
yithril [2d\]: about this plan
InABuzz [4k\]: n8 has so many good follow ups
manuel627 [2d\]: actually, black can max 70 komi or so
Reym: is w trying to kill n10 group and f8 group with a big centra lmoyo?
InABuzz [4k\]: even r3 will have aji again
nay4ok [1d?\]: h16?
YukiStone [3k\]: p6 not possible?
spherical [-\]: could b still get a ko in the top left?
manuel627 [2d\]: white has already like 70
royalty [4d\]: try reading 5 moves ahead with your p6
wotan123 [2d\]: 5 moves ahead is much
TheMagic [3k\]: P6 P7 P5 R7
tsuchigumo [-\]: w almost 70 points
InABuzz [4k\]: not n8 royalty?
TheMagic [3k\]: What's N8?
seolki [8d\]: w leads enough point
TheMagic [3k\]: it's gote and not that big
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;B[cc]C[InABuzz [4k\]: sure its big
spherical [-\]: :)
wotan123 [2d\]: nice
manuel627 [2d\]: will it work?
InABuzz [4k\]: n8 gives some sentes later
nay4ok [1d?\]: w looks asleep
yithril [2d\]: see stronger people would be far more confident
]
;W[cb]C[yithril [2d\]: unless I'm up by 30 i dont feel comfortable
Akisame [8k\]: hey seolki do u know w?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: good point yithril
ftroiset [2d\]: e15?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: my endgame is so awful i don't feel comfortable till resign
yithril [2d\]: well...there are those endgame disastrous reading mistakes
yithril [2d\]: I'm sure you'll overcome that someday
nasnad [1d\]: is this going anywhere fpr black?
just9x9 [-\]: isnt c17 a bit late after h17?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: haha yea
ChemBoy613 [-\]: i get tired
just9x9 [-\]: or preparing ko?
royalty [4d\]: end game is easy - you just pause before every move to make your opponent think you are sure of what you are doing, then overplay
bobstep [4k?\]: If I'm not up 30 I'm not even sure I'm ahead
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
InABuzz [4k\]: someone schould watch my last game misscklick
InABuzz [4k\]: last move
InABuzz [4k\]: :((
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: How long have we been watching this game
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: 1.5-2 hours now?
Sheeple [3k\]: 2h
Ukasuhs [1k\]: id think a 4d would no longer think go is about tricking your opponent...
spherical [-\]: ask in ktl, buzz
Sheeple [3k\]: games start 10am 
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: thanks
royalty [4d\]: ukasuhs, but what makes you think i would be giving away good advices?
Lionking [2d\]: go is about tricking your opponent
GenVital [6k\]: as 
telchar [1d\]: clearly
GenVital [6k\]: every game is about it
Ukasuhs [1k\]: ya... untill ur like 5kyu
wotan123 [2d\]: but avoid tricking yourself
xpolyplus [4k\]: e15 d15 d14 d16 e14 c14 ?
xpolyplus [4k\]: mhmhmm
Joz [9k\]: why is black playing at c17.. isnt his stones there quite dead..
royalty [4d\]: desperation
IGoofy [1d\]: punk go
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;B[ee]C[Ukasuhs [1k\]: with e15 he can make a ko i think
royalty [4d\]: if d15 then c16..
ChemBoy613 [-\]: empty triangle
Ukasuhs [1k\]: unless w d15 or d16
wotan123 [2d\]: go Rob!!!
xpolyplus [4k\]: d15 or maybe f15 
manuel627 [2d\]: white c16?
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: what do you think of B11
xpolyplus [4k\]: f15 d16
Ukasuhs [1k\]: f15 is where i saw the ko
barakeel [1d\]: f15 is what black wants
Ukasuhs [1k\]: f15 d16 e17 b18 b17 b16 
Sheeple [3k\]: f16
yithril [2d\]: empty triangle it up
hui [1k\]: b1 small not the time
royalty [4d\]: d16 is probably fine
hui [1k\]: b11
xpolyplus [4k\]: black can escape
Joz [9k\]: w d16 b d15 w f15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
zhiwei [8k?\]: f14
Stelios [5k\]: D15
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;W[de]C[royalty [4d\]: c16
yithril [2d\]: it's 6 am
yithril [2d\]: i need to sleep
yithril [2d\]: y am i watching go
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: ^^
TheCutpain [9k\]: they still playing?
yuko [?\]: gn
Violence [-\]: Because
Violence [-\]: They're still playing.
Violence [-\]: that's why.
yithril [2d\]: i know
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: it's noon..i should be doing something productive
]
;B[bb]C[royalty [4d\]: duh
SSMP [2k\]: answer to d16 might have been f16?
TheCutpain [9k\]: i though B resigned
InABuzz [4k\]: how huge is n8?
xpolyplus [4k\]: mhmhm
Ukasuhs [1k\]: not huge
InABuzz [4k\]: not? lol
nasnad [1d\]: b18 is good order
Ukasuhs [1k\]: why does it look huge?
hui [1k\]: n8 is so small.... forget it
InABuzz [4k\]: for b?
InABuzz [4k\]: caryz?
hui [1k\]: for both
InABuzz [4k\]: its not
Ukasuhs [1k\]: b n8 w l7
Akisame [8k\]: how much time do they left
Akisame [8k\]: *have
hui [1k\]: white just jump
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: how about Bp4 Wo4 Bp6?
yithril [2d\]: this is why i didnt get h 17, if the corner has complications
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: 3 hours
yithril [2d\]: if this lives its small
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: together
TheCutpain [9k\]: n8 is more of a jachoong move
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: dunno how much each
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: and there is byouyomi
Ukasuhs [1k\]: p4 o4 p6 p5 p7 s3 and b has short liberties
Stelios [5k\]: W plays B17
Stelios [5k\]: and kill all
Ukasuhs [1k\]: so he cant hane
TheCutpain [9k\]: C18
xpolyplus [4k\]: ifc16 b17 d18 d14 d16 c14 e14 b13 ithink
Luhmann: n8 isnt small at all
xpolyplus [4k\]: ah no
TheCutpain [9k\]: sorry C16
xpolyplus [4k\]: i made error
Luhmann: just wrong timing
xpolyplus [4k\]: c16 b17 d18 d14 d16 c14 e14 b16 maybe
Falkbeer [1d\]: p4 o4 p6 p7 p5 r7 q8 s8 and w lives
TheCutpain [9k\]: dont worry, nobody read such long sequence
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: i read it
hui [1k\]: yes luhmann just not the time for sure
Ukasuhs [1k\]: xploplus, b dies in that sequence
bryan1986 [-\]: I wish I could highlight the long sequences and have kgs play through them automatically
Ukasuhs [1k\]: the first one at last
zhiwei [8k?\]: corner is fun to read
YusufS [2k\]: some people actually did cuptain ^^
TheCutpain [9k\]: B dies in all sequences
Ukasuhs [1k\]: least*
IGoofy [1d\]: mate in 5
ChemBoy613 [-\]: a ta ri down
xpolyplus [4k\]: w is alive in down right why falkbeer you say that he isn't?
YusufS [2k\]: b17 c16 b19 a18 a17 d18 a19 d16 is trouble for white, gets caught in a double atari 
Stelios [5k\]: B17 so big :D
]
;W[cd]
;B[bc]C[TsuiokuHen [6k\]: rob doesn't look as if he's enjoying himself : (
Falkbeer [1d\]: I never said w is dead
royalty [4d\]: i'm pretty sure black c16 instead of b18 worked just fine
Luhmann: w alive but aji
]
;W[db]C[ChemBoy613 [-\]: connect
royalty [4d\]: but i suppose no-one here enjoys reading..
]
;B[bd]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: we focus on the endame royal
YusufS [2k\]: lol
zhiwei [8k?\]: ko on ko?
Joz [9k\]: lol.. this review is ahead of the stream :P
chicane [2k\]: b14 is painful for w
zhiwei [8k?\]: no*
Luhmann: no reading sucks, thats why i play go
ChemBoy613 [-\]: connect, the hane b19 soon after
Ukasuhs [1k\]: b19
]
;W[dd]C[Ukasuhs [1k\]: now
Kenjutsu [2k\]: white might just seal b in
Ukasuhs [1k\]: guess not XD
xpolyplus [4k\]: ah ok  but you said http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eryIxg_9MI&NR=1
xpolyplus [4k\]: no azz
YusufS [2k\]: connect is death for black, b19 immediate and black could ko for life I think 
Rossco [4k\]: b live?
xpolyplus [4k\]: but you said alkbeer [1d\]: p4 o4 p6 p7 p5 r7 q8 s8 and w lives
Luhmann: w lives cause b is dead
Ukasuhs [1k\]: b14 threatens connect to c11
SSMP [2k\]: b14 still dead?
Falkbeer [1d\]: and?
Falkbeer [1d\]: I see no "w is dead" there
YusufS [2k\]: yeah b14 and still dead with wc14 adn then b19 
Stelios [5k\]: no life 4 B
Akisame [8k\]: TIME?
SSMP [2k\]: just b13 after b14also ok
bloodarena [7d\]: ko for black
Ukasuhs [1k\]: can we agree that bottom right is just hopeless for b
Rossco [4k\]: yup
xpolyplus [4k\]: oo bad for blackb14 b19 b12 b13 a13 b11 a12 a14 a15 a11 a14 c10 d11 b9 d10 
zhiwei [8k?\]: agree
Falkbeer [1d\]: I agree
Luhmann: not in ko fight^
YusufS [2k\]: what did this sequence do for black, except maybe create some aji for bB11?
Luhmann: what b lost?
zhiwei [8k?\]: this sequence seems to hurt black
royalty [4d\]: cloned the game in ktl if someone wants to see an alternative path for black
tomasinski [3k\]: there is a ko
Rossco [4k\]: bloodarena said there is a ko
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;B[hd]C[tomasinski [3k\]: around c11
Stelios [5k\]: lol
yuko [?\]: anyone do a count?
ChemBoy613 [-\]: my god, can we have some sanity
bloodarena [7d\]: yes ko but cost a lot
TheMagic [3k\]: big move
allpotti [6d\]: B10 works as a kind of sente (or aji), but not easy to implement right now.
Joz [9k\]: b b14, w c14, b b13, w b15, b a15..
Joz [9k\]: or no..
InABuzz [4k\]: hehe n8 grows and grows
Kenjutsu [2k\]: b is cool, he has so many ko threats
Joz [9k\]: ok that's no good
barakeel [1d\]: ko in the corner
Ukasuhs [1k\]: n8 is not big...
Ukasuhs [1k\]: it is not growing
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: Ok, I've seen enough
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: enjoy the rest of the game guys, bye!
Mukti [4d\]: There is a ko, but it's a tough one for b to fight. He would prefer to exploit the aji remaing in the corner first by leaning on white, aiming at the ko.
hui [1k\]: lol inabuzz with your N8
xpolyplus [4k\]: b14 b19 b12 b13 a13 b11 a12 a14 a15 a11 a14 c10 d11 b9 d10  UKASUHS try this sequence
yithril [2d\]: im too drowsy to read
Mukti [4d\]: b would like for the game to be as large scale and complicated as possible, to give hhim a chance to upset white's lead.
InABuzz [4k\]: after n8 b can sacrifice q3 in sente
pi3rrot [4d\]: black c14 lives ?
hui [1k\]: allpoti nice thx for B10
InABuzz [4k\]: comapre w n9
InABuzz [4k\]: center is dame suddenly
Joz [9k\]: b c14 is no good..
Joz [9k\]: it's a wasted stone
Joz [9k\]: w b14
InABuzz [4k\]: could high dans comment n8 pls :(
Joz [9k\]: b b15
Mukti [4d\]: n8 small at this stage
InABuzz [4k\]: i mean maybe not right now but soon
royalty [4d\]: inabuzz, forget about n8
InABuzz [4k\]: ok
InABuzz [4k\]: :(
Joz [9k\]: ^^
Mukti [4d\]: the center is allimportant now
]
;W[pb]C[yuko [?\]: he he
]
;B[ob]C[Joz [9k\]: lol.. a gote-play :O
]
;W[qb]C[Mukti [4d\]: n8 makes great shape and is a nice move, but the focus is on the center now
Hanne [3k\]: move 102 :-(
Ukasuhs [1k\]: xploplus, b still doesnt live
InABuzz [4k\]: isnt n8 center? oO
yuko [?\]: wtf?
Ukasuhs [1k\]: with that sequence
Akisame [8k\]: ??? what is going on?
Joz [9k\]: oh.. black is taking a walk :P
TheMagic [3k\]: Inabuzz, it's gote, that's the problem
royalty [4d\]: how much time on black's clock?
qassaga [12k\]: 150 minutes?
Edelweiss [-\]: who's the guy who talk with rob ?
InABuzz [4k\]: sure its gote, but has sente follow ups
InABuzz [4k\]: but i trust in 4dan
Joz [9k\]: cant see good enough on the stream
InABuzz [4k\]: so n8 is bad
Joz [9k\]: so.. who knows
zhiwei [8k?\]: n8 isnt bad, just not good enough
Ukasuhs [1k\]: theres a different between bad and small but yes
chute [2k\]: besides: if black n8 white could l7, thus black will never play there
Joz [9k\]: probably he has enough as he seemingly has time for a walk :P
Kenjutsu [2k\]: he is like getting interviewed
Kenjutsu [2k\]: they paused the game or smoething
Joz [9k\]: lol..
yuko [?\]: strange
royalty [4d\]: interview time tesuji
Joz [9k\]: black has terrible hair :P
Kenjutsu [2k\]: while the korean dude is like reading the board, b is like getting famous, LOL
Joz [9k\]: well atleast w gets more time to think through his act :P
bERt0r [11k\]: m9 better than n8, if you want to play there right?
Stelios [5k\]: seems like w want to attack in Q 16
InABuzz [4k\]: i doubt m9 better
InABuzz [4k\]: cause if n8 w has no yes
InABuzz [4k\]: eyes
InABuzz [4k\]: and must take q3
Ukasuhs [1k\]: but q3 is hopelessly dead so it doesnt matter
royalty [4d\]: note that trying to separate white by playing p6 ends in painful gote
Stelios [5k\]: n8 helps B to build his cemter
royalty [4d\]: black can do that
royalty [4d\]: cant
Ukasuhs [1k\]: p6 is gote
Ukasuhs [1k\]: so it kinda ends there
Joz [9k\]: yes.. p6 and the lower right corner is a later issue..
chute [2k\]: no he hasn't, he just has to keep more inside libs there - that doesn't need many stones
Joz [9k\]: there's too many open points now
tsuchigumo [-\]: And what is it about our tea that you like so much Mr van Zeist?
Orc [4d\]: I cant see anything in P6 even for later
Joz [9k\]: black is back in the game :P
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;B[pe]
;W[qe]C[YusufS [2k\]: also if white has too later he has p6 p5 p7 r7 q8 s8 for eyes 
Joz [9k\]: there's nothing orc.. it's just a waste :P
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;B[gc]C[Jadeite [?\]: interview in the middle of a game seems crazy
Orc [4d\]: p6 p5 p7 r7 q8 s8 s9 t7 q10 r9 r11 
yuko [?\]: yeah
Orc [4d\]: blk too bad, i dont think blk ever play p6
Ukasuhs [1k\]: w gets eyes by killing q3.
hui [1k\]: rob is the last eurpean to still have a chance to win today
Joz [9k\]: yep.. and the corner has plenty of eye-opportunities
InABuzz [4k\]: thats not the question
YukiStone [3k\]: g13
InABuzz [4k\]: ist just 
chute [2k\]: p6 p7! p5 r7
InABuzz [4k\]: bad if w HAS to kill 
zc3k [1k\]: G17 fabulous
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, Ilia Shikshin plays Alexander Dinerchtein, so i am sure 1 european will win
Orc [4d\]: Csaba lost in my point of view
bERt0r [11k\]: hmm p6, p7 r7
hui [1k\]: well i mean corea/europe of course
Joz [9k\]: r7 is somewhat good for white..
bERt0r [11k\]: painful imho
Joz [9k\]: but not yet
InABuzz [4k\]: r7 is nothing
Joz [9k\]: it's about 3 points worth..
InABuzz [4k\]: lol
Orc [4d\]: in this game, blk still have chance, depends on the fight in the center
InABuzz [4k\]: n8 is about 30 points
Joz [9k\]: yes.. and i said r7 isnt good yet
Stelios [5k\]: yes for B
Onmyoji [2d\]: b+101.5
YukiStone [3k\]: joz its ok.... no need to defend bad choices.
Joz [9k\]: haha ye i know
bryan1986 [-\]: White obviously needs to look at se and resign
Orc [4d\]: white Q14 seems to be strong move
Neospring [4k\]: looks like b's comin back from bottom right
hui [1k\]: r7 is like N8... kind of joke
InABuzz [4k\]: arrogant 1kyu
hui [1k\]: :)
InABuzz [4k\]: it wasnt a joke
Eiyuu [6k\]: M9 would be better than N8
cocopuffs [1k\]: what the raniks playing?
Violence [-\]: after some counting...
YukiStone [3k\]: r8 isnt that big right now
yuko [?\]: man no go players must smoke
Violence [-\]: it looks to me like this game is still tough for black
YukiStone [3k\]: b h13 for instance is huge looking
Violence [-\]: The kuuchusen isn't easy for black either
Reym: g15 for wihte?
yuko [?\]: 5 hours of tension without a smoke would make u lose it
InABuzz [4k\]: n8 would be better than m9
Orc [4d\]: q14 r13 p17 
YukiStone [3k\]: i say g13 then h15 depending on response
Violence [-\]: plenty of famous Go players smoke
Joz [9k\]: yuko.. that's why one doesnt smoke at all... :P
telchar [1d\]: smoke is useless, but a beer would do
bryan1986 [-\]: 5 hours of tension without a smoke wouldn't make me lose it....
tsuchigumo [-\]: b has a lot of  bad aji top right
Cunning [3k\]: its not aji, it sthickness
YusufS [2k\]: yes whtie will surely capitalize on that aji Orc, will be painfully for black in oyose =)
kurohana [6k\]: violence, what does kuuchusen mean?
Falkbeer [1d\]: for w m9 seems much better than n8
InABuzz [4k\]: its weakness lol.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9 dan pro warching
Neospring [4k\]: what would happen if some kid accidnetly bumps the table and scatters the pieces..
InABuzz [4k\]: for w falkbeer
yuko [?\]: lol i love the sashes
InABuzz [4k\]: talked about b
Kenjutsu [2k\]: a pro is like watching
holynec [?\]: i see the banner
bryan1986 [-\]: I hate the sashes.... I wouldn't wear one no matter what
YusufS [2k\]: what is the name of 9d pro if I may ask? 
Eiyuu [6k\]: Then they would set it right back up the way it was Neo
yuko [?\]: that's why i love them i think
Violence [-\]: There's a professional sash!?
royalty [4d\]: did that read "professional"?
Kenjutsu [2k\]: yea
IGoofy [1d\]: lol
ftroiset [2d\]: Neospring : they are both able to replay the game at high speed:-)
yuko [?\]: haha
tsuchigumo [-\]: if w reall needed it ia ma sure he could successfully invade the moyo, but he will take no risks here
YusufS [2k\]: and black eliminates the aji 
royalty [4d\]: way to outcast pros from normal people
Violence [-\]:  I mean... why do you just just have color coded lanyards?
nay4ok [1d?\]: lol it's like a dumb's hat
Violence [-\]: don't you^
yuko [?\]: lanyards? whats that
Neospring [4k\]: they should give them capes 2
Javaness [2d\]: normally they just get colored badges
kurohana [6k\]: lol i think it's great that the pros are forced to wear that blue thingie with 'professional' written on it O_O
YukiStone [3k\]: where can one get the noob hat?
holynec [?\]: g14?
yuko [?\]: capes lmao!
nay4ok [1d?\]: that's lame
holynec [?\]: or is that h14
YusufS [2k\]: good call on o17 Orc =) that aji was large indeed 
kyokunomi [1k\]: is Shinichi Aoki SENSEI 9p
hui [1k\]: G17 gives hard time thinking for white should he invade?
bryan1986 [-\]: looks like h14
mcw85 [7k\]: I like the cape idea.
IGoofy [1d\]: the kyus should wears a clowns hat
awers [2d\]: h14 
YukiStone [3k\]: kyus should wear the "Im better at checkers" shirt
tsuchigumo [-\]: External underpants would be cool
ftroiset [2d\]: b14, btw?
Jadeite [?\]: lanyard is the string that your badge hangs from
holynec [?\]: b f16
toyuko [1d\]: and the beginner dans just the clown's nose
Joz [9k\]: lol.. what's happened here..
InABuzz [4k\]: yeah and the 1dans a crown
just9x9 [-\]: what did get b for the upper left corner? this g17?
yuko [?\]: ah got it ty
telchar [1d\]: good idea
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: where did white play?
Joz [9k\]: they're doing several moves on the stream..
Neospring [4k\]: did recoder miss a move?
arcades [3k\]: EUROGO, H14
holynec [?\]: h14
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;W[bg]C[holynec [?\]: w h14, b f16?
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;B[nc]
;W[hf]
;B[fd]C[royalty [4d\]: humh
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;W[ge]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok
InABuzz [4k\]: hoho
Javaness [2d\]: rob van zjeist always plays this joseki in the lower left
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: found it
royalty [4d\]: order might be wrong but something like that
holynec [?\]: we got you covered eurgo ;)
Joz [9k\]: no..
hui [1k\]: 4 k a N8 shirt...
Joz [9k\]: now*
mcw85 [7k\]: Fall asleep
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: bowl was in front
Joz [9k\]: there it came :P
holynec [?\]: if you need to take a break, we can scribe from the video
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;B[fe]C[yuko [?\]: i guess the pro was bored with this bord
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;W[gg]C[Joz [9k\]: hehe
Javaness [2d\]: the pros just have a quick look and decide the result
royalty [4d\]: medusa came
YusufS [2k\]: why white b13? was something there? 
InABuzz [4k\]: a ko in the corner
Falkbeer [1d\]: ko for life
royalty [4d\]: b13 was necessary after f16
YusufS [2k\]: ah ok thanks 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Javaness [2d\]: is something like G11 needed?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Once b surrounds w the ko becomes serious
holynec [?\]: biting his nails
holynec [?\]: nasty
Orc [4d\]: Hm mwhat does F16 do? dont understand
tsuchigumo [-\]: w still nearly 70 points
tsuchigumo [-\]: b way behind
tupinoz [4k\]: how is on table 10
Stelios [5k\]: I start thinking B in trouble
Orc [4d\]: blk F15 F16, white G15 G13, doesnt seem to be equal exchange
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;B[fb]C[Violence [-\]: This game feels impossible to win now
]
;W[gi]C[royalty [4d\]: well, it is
Joz [9k\]: for which player? :P
Joz [9k\]: black?
InABuzz [4k\]: ok n8 totally useless now
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;B[fj]C[InABuzz [4k\]: :(
Violence [-\]: black
yuko [?\]: inabuzz i love u haha
play234 [-\]: haha, still stuck up on n8 ^^
Orc [4d\]: blk made a few very slow move, now almost no chance left
hui [1k\]: but you got your t shirt
]
;W[jf]C[IGoofy [1d\]: corner kick
Joz [9k\]: haha
tsuchigumo [-\]: b being outplayed here
Orc [4d\]: blk made beatuiful shape but the game is decided by points
Stelios [5k\]: L11 4 W is gonna make points! :P
InABuzz [4k\]: orc. he wrote a book about shape lol^
Orc [4d\]: really?
InABuzz [4k\]: yes
InABuzz [4k\]: "making good shape"
InABuzz [4k\]: nice one^
YukiStone [3k\]: black k13 better than f18?
Orc [4d\]: no wander then, lol
Joz [9k\]: M15 for B?
hui [1k\]: K14 was not bigger as F18?
IGoofy [1d\]: the issue is making bad play
yuko [?\]: where's the beautiful shape?
bolbi [-\]: you can download "shape-up" on gobase too
Javaness [2d\]: Black was european champion once
Orc [4d\]: 10F, 18F is nice shape but no point...
Stelios [5k\]: N8 :D
Stelios [5k\]: hahahaha
tsuchigumo [-\]: compare the value of w's last 5 moves vs. b's
Joz [9k\]: lol..
hui [1k\]: loooll
icecream [?\]: W plays calmly
hui [1k\]: next time should not forget N8
YukiStone [3k\]: not at first
YukiStone [3k\]: but he has since he took the lead
YukiStone [3k\]: very aggressive initially
Cunning [3k\]: there are 4 spectatrs around the live table
IGoofy [1d\]: corner now or never
Edelweiss [-\]: What is the link for the list of players and ranks please ?
InABuzz [4k\]: grr hui, i feel i schoud beat you in a game
just9x9 [-\]: corner?
InABuzz [4k\]: i get n8 for a handicapstone
InABuzz [4k\]: and we go
timloupuce [5k\]: fan hui ne joue pas ? il est pas le plus fort joueur d'europe?
Orc [4d\]: there is no where to even fight now, blk has to resign
hui [1k\]: :) lol one of this days for sure
Warfreak2 [5d\]: fan hui is a cool dude
InABuzz [4k\]: ok :D
YukiStone [3k\]: t1 then resign
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: edelweiss see my info
spherical [-\]: p9 stones still some aji, i think 
IGoofy [1d\]: the tv man deleted the interview
YukiStone [3k\]: starting with n11
Joz [9k\]: i agree.. there's some aji at p9
Orc [4d\]: white doesnt need that aji to win
Joz [9k\]: no
Joz [9k\]: but there's still aji :P
hui [1k\]: black has no more attack to go on... game is dead
InABuzz [4k\]: sure cause b missed n8 :D
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;B[kf]C[yuko [?\]: haha
Orc [4d\]: L14 is too late...
YukiStone [3k\]: n8 not worth anything
InABuzz [4k\]: i agree now yuki^^
Joz [9k\]: :O
Joz [9k\]: attaching..
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;W[id]C[Javaness [2d\]: chaud
hui [1k\]: n8 would have been a nice opening move
YukiStone [3k\]: :))
InABuzz [4k\]: i will play it next time for sure
Orc [4d\]: how much does F15 worth? 4 points?
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;B[ic]
;W[jd]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: w too strong
Orc [4d\]: blk cant L16 now... resign
GoTypeR [6k\]: oh is BUM there?
Joz [9k\]: why cant he L16?
ftroiset [2d\]: f15 could be a misread, thinking b15 works
InABuzz [4k\]: l16 l17
Jadeite [?\]: Cornel :)
GoTypeR [6k\]: that's cornel?
YukiStone [3k\]: l16 h18 
Orc [4d\]: becos white can extend at 18H 
GoTypeR [6k\]: ok
Jadeite [?\]: Orange top
Joz [9k\]: ok that's true
yuko [?\]: that guy ties he pants on with a string
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;B[kc]C[IGoofy [1d\]: better than yesterdays
yuko [?\]: they're like kimono pants
Javaness [2d\]: ...
GoTypeR [6k\]: where is this game being held/
Onmyoji [2d\]: is this a fashion show
ftroiset [2d\]: l13
GoTypeR [6k\]: netherlands?
yuko [?\]: lol
YukiStone [3k\]: white can push again right?
InABuzz [4k\]: sure ut pushing from behind?
Orc [4d\]: L15 next?
PooH [5k\]: why not l16?
InABuzz [4k\]: l13
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;W[kg]C[yuko [?\]: nc
ftroiset [2d\]: see?
]
;B[lg]C[ftroiset [2d\]: m14
Sheeple [3k\]: w leads less than 10 by my count
YukiStone [3k\]: lol?
Sheeple [3k\]: yes.
YukiStone [3k\]: no way
yuko [?\]: sheeple is that like people sheep?
Sheeple [3k\]: count yourself, tell me what you come up with.
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count b+56.5
Jadeite [?\]: 17
tsuchigumo [-\]: w at least 20 ahead
InABuzz [4k\]: this arrogant kyus here usually dont count^^
spherical [-\]: counting myself: one spherical
IGoofy [1d\]: m14
Kantid [4k\]: anyway. SE wins. as always
InABuzz [4k\]: m12
Joz [9k\]: SE?
chute [2k\]: Onmyoji wants to be transformed to SE
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;W[lf]
;B[ke]
;W[kd]C[ftroiset [2d\]: see?
]
;B[le]
;W[ld]C[francium87 [1k\]: dang
IGoofy [1d\]: driving tesuji
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;B[jg]C[InABuzz [4k\]: trad
InABuzz [4k\]: trade
]
;W[hb]
;B[gd]C[ftroiset [2d\]: h18
]
;W[lc]C[hui [1k\]: Oo N8 is weaking up
francium87 [1k\]: resign
tsuchigumo [-\]: oh dear
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+R
yuko [?\]: ?
Onmyoji [2d\]: ok
Sheeple [3k\]: you can't say this :)
just9x9 [-\]: thx
YusufS [2k\]: sheeple on my count I got W+25 
Warfreak2 [5d\]: game over already?
hui [1k\]: thx for the job eurogo
Warfreak2 [5d\]: 132 moves is a short game for 7d
YusufS [2k\]: thanks for broadcasting the game eurogo =) 
yuko [?\]: tty eg
dxxd [-\]: b played about 7d kgs to me
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see you all tomorrow
Sheeple [3k\]: board 2 was 119 moves
InABuzz [4k\]: ok hui
InABuzz [4k\]: lets go
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but yes, thanks for showing us the game
Sheeple [3k\]: to resign
InABuzz [4k\]: i take h8 you pass
Orc [4d\]: white is much stronger than 7d...
InABuzz [4k\]: and we start
YukiStone [3k\]: they are reviewing the opening position
Sheeple [3k\]: yusufs when i counted there was still a top
InABuzz [4k\]: n8*
YukiStone [3k\]: ?
chute [2k\]: thanks EuroGo
Cunning [3k\]: b ressed
sameasyou [2d\]: hello....I only see table 1 and 3...who played on the second table and who won?
YusufS [2k\]: I love how Kim carries a fan ^_^
Sheeple [3k\]: chi-min v
Sheeple [3k\]: won against frank janssen
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