(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress round 3 board 2]PW[Alexandre Dinerchtein]PB[Hwang In-Seong]WR[3p]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-28]EV[European Go Congress round 3 board 2]RO[3]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[E. Wester]C[A1R [8k\]: go in-seong
TeeSushi [2d\]: is there only a broadcast of board 1 and 2 today?
ProGoVerb [5k\]: its a 5 p and a 3p dont complain
TeeSushi [2d\]: i still think the koreans have better chances ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I'm afraid that there is still no video feed on board 2
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;B[pd]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: i dont talk about a video feed ... yesterday board 1-3 where broadcasted on kgs thats why i ask
]
;W[dc]C[GoIsBoring [1d\]: вааа кул
GoIsBoring [1d\]: го диннер!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: there is also board 3
Gleb81 [4k?\]: Вперед, Динер!
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes now its there ... thank you :)
yithril [2d\]: nye umyer diner!
Am [5d\]: go go, Diner...
MssrBlanc [3k\]: well, based on ratings, the gap between these two is small
]
;B[pq]
;W[dq]
;B[do]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: waiting for the hamete....
Javaness [2d\]: I wonder if breakfast prepared any new tricks
JohnSmith [?\]: Not hemete but trickplay!
Javaness [2d\]: there is only so much hamete you can play
]
;W[co]
;B[dp]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]C[Javaness [2d\]: oh avalanche
Javaness [2d\]: funtimes are here again
JohnSmith [?\]: c3!
Chilltime [2k\]: AVALANCHE
]
;W[dr]C[JohnSmith [?\]: :P
ProGoVerb [5k\]: seems like just a little snowball
]
;B[dn]
;W[er]
;B[fq]C[Chilltime [2k\]: doh!
]
;W[bm]C[Javaness [2d\]: oh B7
yithril [2d\]: hmm the crowd is not roaring
Javaness [2d\]: is that normal?
Kayres [16k\]: oh cool dinerchtein
yithril [2d\]: q9 or something
TeeSushi [2d\]: alex doesnt like avalanche here it seems ^^
oddalot [7k\]: is this on webcam?
yithril [2d\]: or that other thing people do now
papamisha [2d\]: it looks like slow
Kayres [16k\]: only 3p haha
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: look at video feed 1, board 2 is temporarily on it due to Catalin missing
Kayres [16k\]: xD
Javaness [2d\]: In-seong is eating his fan
JohnSmith [?\]: His under the pressure!!!
Kayres [16k\]: b7 was too much for him
Kayres [16k\]: its over
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;B[jp]C[Javaness [2d\]: wait he recovers
Kayres [16k\]: oh
TeeSushi [2d\]: playing on the 2nd line this early ... strange
Kayres [16k\]: !!!!
Alex7007 [1k?\]: R6
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Catalin has arrived
Javaness [2d\]: R6, thematic move?
Vogel [1k\]: i vote for showing this match on euro tv
JohnSmith [?\]: R6 quite korean!
maligo [4d\]: why is there no broadcast on eurogotv2?
papamisha [2d\]: it looks like overconcentration, I do not understand pro
yithril [2d\]: what is overconcentration?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: technical problems still with host and not enough time to deal with it still. Tomorrow is a free day, so we will have more time to fix it
maligo [4d\]: ah ok..
yuko [?\]: yeah i'd much rather watch this broadcast
yuko [?\]: than the other one
]
;W[pn]C[Orc [4d\]: white c2 is strange, not joseki
Orc [4d\]: D2
]
;B[qo]C[yuko [?\]: what's it suppose to be?
horacelamb [4d\]: d2 isn't joseki? maybe a newer pattern?
Vogel [1k\]: d2 seems like dinersteins special preperation for inseong
horacelamb [4d\]: dinerchtein is on top of his openings
YogSothoth [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?path=Avalanche&page=NadareDescent
ChemBoy613 [1d?\]: d2 is joseki too... but i don't like it as much as the connect
yithril [2d\]: the move itself seems okay to me
holynec [?\]: well b7 is better at c7
holynec [?\]: but weakness
Vogel [1k\]: oh, then b7 i s special :)
holynec [?\]: so white has to play lower
kuk [6k\]: F2
holynec [?\]: so d2 is considered a little worse ^^
Vogel [1k\]: something had to be special  ^^
yithril [2d\]: r11?
yithril [2d\]: or something to that effect?
ChemBoy613 [1d?\]: i thought r10
]
;W[qi]C[Orc [4d\]: Strange but in my dictionary there isnt D2 move
YogSothoth [1d\]: r6 so big
Javaness [2d\]: D2 is a newer way i think
TeeSushi [2d\]: eidogo says d2 is often seen in amateur games
Violence [-\]: I don't like the result for white here...
Javaness [2d\]: I'm sure I saw mingjiu play D2 once, could be wrong
yithril [2d\]: it's a really really light strategy
GoIsBoring [1d\]: О_о
MssrBlanc [3k\]: but eidogo is just kogo's, right? 
TeeSushi [2d\]: some pors played it as well 
TeeSushi [2d\]: pros
MssrBlanc [3k\]: and kogo's has a lot of identified errors
ChemBoy613 [1d?\]: i prefer r10 to r11
]
;B[qk]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: yes eidogo looses kogo ... but you can let it show some pro games with this position, there are a few :)
]
;W[qf]C[GoIsBoring [1d\]: r14 
Javaness [2d\]: you can't play R10 when you are open from downstairs
holynec [?\]: haha
Hanezeki [2k\]: found about 20 pro games with d2 using pattern recognition
]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]C[Hanezeki [2k\]: out of 40,000
]
;B[nd]C[yithril [2d\]: ultra fight
yithril [2d\]: awesome
Kayres [16k\]: pff
dogbert [3d\]: q5
GoIsBoring [1d\]: p3 
Orc [4d\]: i like blk ...
yithril [2d\]: I would think r 6 but if he doesn't mind black playing it and then leaving p3 for later...
]
;W[qn]
;B[po]C[yithril [2d\]: okay good 
]
;W[nm]C[yithril [2d\]: woah
Uberdude [4d?\]: ZOMG
Uberdude [4d?\]: what a noob
GoIsBoring [1d\]: KILL!
Hanezeki [2k\]: o9
maligo [4d\]: strange but cool
cstoner [3k\]: I smell a trap
Uberdude [4d?\]: p6 q8 ?
maligo [4d\]: no..
maligo [4d\]: b gets moyo
dogbert [3d\]: who is the diner
]
;B[pj]C[cstoner [3k\]: breakfast
Poney [2k\]: funny, i studied this opening yesterday ^^
Reym: @poney: where from?
watergun [-\]: chinese rule?
Poney [2k\]: internet ^^
Kayres [16k\]: :D
cstoner [3k\]: black seems ahead already 
Reym: ok :)
Orc [4d\]: blk seems to be pro
Poney [2k\]: well korean 7d ^^
lee1973: 7p?
Poney [2k\]: no 7d ama
k81 [3d\]: ex korean insei
lee1973: i mean 7d professional
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HwangInSeong
yuko [?\]: does alex play in jpn or in kor?
Poney [2k\]: w p12 or directly q11 ?
Javaness [2d\]: Alex doesn't play in the korean league I think
lee1973: how about w o10?
]
;W[pi]C[Poney [2k\]: o10 overplay
Poney [2k\]: (for w)
yithril [2d\]: jump now right?
Poney [2k\]: o10 ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Alex became 3-dan pro in 2008
yithril [2d\]: when they take a long time for these kinds of moves I always wonder
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Look on feed 1, they are both away from the board
yithril [2d\]: LOL
watergun [-\]: couldn't watch them online..
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: You can still see them leave the room ;)
cstoner [3k\]: what is alex doing at board 1?!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 2
watergun [-\]: can anyone show the link of this game?
]
;B[nj]C[yithril [2d\]: whew
yithril [2d\]: okay
A1R [8k\]: where can i find the pairings of round 3?
]
;W[oi]C[maligo [4d\]: o8
watergun [-\]: this game doesn't show on eurotv?
slavik1 [6k?\]: о11
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: No video feed still
watergun [-\]: i see. thanks.
maligo [4d\]: against who is playing 
holynec [?\]: its ok eurogotv2, we appreciate it
holynec [?\]: :\]
cstoner [3k\]: is there going to be a video feed for this game?
maligo [4d\]: viktor lin?
cstoner [3k\]: (you said 'still')
oddalot [7k\]: you can hear them, they are right next to catalin's game
papamisha [2d\]: make the strong stronger, strange
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: has not been a feed from the start
horacelamb [4d\]: p11 pretty important for shape
Javaness [2d\]: how about O6
]
;B[oj]
;W[oo]C[horacelamb [4d\]: interesting
Poney [2k\]: o3
horacelamb [4d\]: I had no idea what was good for white there
PwndKitty [2d\]: i was thinkin o5
PwndKitty [2d\]: p5 isnt bad
PwndKitty [2d\]: looks fine to me :) meow
Javaness [2d\]: heavy?
horacelamb [4d\]: seems so
]
;B[on]C[horacelamb [4d\]: but if he can attack r9
PwndKitty [2d\]: :O
horacelamb [4d\]: wow!
Kayres [16k\]: i wouldve done this too! xD
PwndKitty [2d\]: lol
Kayres [16k\]: i was thinking about why not
Kayres [16k\]: no why nots found
GoIsBoring [1d\]: kill! kill'em all!
PwndKitty [2d\]: hm
PwndKitty [2d\]: i'd consider sacrificing q6
PwndKitty [2d\]: but thats prolly stupid coming from me :)
PwndKitty [2d\]: i like o5
horacelamb [4d\]: I wish there were a video feed of Dinerchtein pondering this one
Kayres [16k\]: :D
Tobamf [20k?\]: who is the favorite in this game?
Kayres [16k\]: o6 is ok
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: There you go ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Watch the feed
holynec [?\]: he looks like he's getting tortured
Tobamf [20k?\]: Alexandre is so funny to watch play 
TeeSushi [2d\]: go in-seong :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: We will change between board 1 and 2 once in a while
Tobamf [20k?\]: I remember I watched him before, and he constantly looked like he was going to launch off his seat across the goban and land on his opponent
Ranye [9k\]: couldnt any body give a link to eurotv with dinner?
holynec [?\]: definitely could from this position
holynec [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Tobamf [20k?\]: so black is the favorite this game?
horacelamb [4d\]: EuroGoTV2 - Thanks!
Ranye [9k\]: thnx
Moyonnaise [?\]: o6 and then squeeze?
Javaness [2d\]: nobi
PwndKitty [2d\]: o5
Moyonnaise [?\]: Black will connect R9 down, and white ends in gote, but it's still the only reasonableish sequence I can think of. :P
watergun [-\]: dinerchtein had his slippers taken off..
Hanne [3k\]: this game is hot!
PwndKitty [2d\]: drop it like its hot
PwndKitty [2d\]: from snoopdogg lol
Moyonnaise [?\]: Were you pwnd by snoopdogg?
Hanne [3k\]: hot droppings from snoopy the dos
Ruzinus [5k?\]: ...ew.
PwndKitty [2d\]: haha
PwndKitty [2d\]: no ones made an account named snoopdogg
PwndKitty [2d\]: yet :)
PwndKitty [2d\]: i shall go do that now
papamisha [2d\]: w will sucrifice 2 stones?
PwndKitty [2d\]: probably
PwndKitty [2d\]: i would
Ranye [9k\]: it would help?
lee1973: p7?
SnoopDogg: here i am guys
SnoopDogg: lol
hokutose [?\]: r3 may be a good probe---
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;W[om]
;B[nn]C[SnoopDogg: :O
Ruzinus [5k?\]: hot damn
lee1973: q8
SnoopDogg: drop it like its hot o.o
Javaness [2d\]: now way
yithril [2d\]: hahahahahaha
Poney [2k\]: W is having troubles already
Hanne [3k\]: w made resign shape
lee1973: Q8 ?
horacelamb [4d\]: this looks horrible for white
]
;W[ro]C[horacelamb [4d\]: but hopefully he can make something good of it
Poney [2k\]: this fight looks niceto get some points in the bottom :)
Hanne [3k\]: please turn the camera back to dinerchtein game ^^
slientbird [1k\]: is it live?
Hanne [3k\]: by the way, why can we see only half of the advertisement in the background ??
Mikki62 [2k\]: dinerchtein heard u hanne
holynec [?\]: we see a quarter actually 
]
;B[rp]C[PwndKitty [2d\]: meow; im back
PwndKitty [2d\]: i have taken snoop doggy dog
Vogel [1k\]: nice picture in backgrund
Vogel [1k\]: its a tea sponsor?
horacelamb [4d\]: not many options
Vogel [1k\]: so why dont the player drink the tea?
horacelamb [4d\]: maybe considering s7 ?
yuko [?\]: is p5 dead already?
Poney [2k\]: considreing r3 maybe
cstoner [3k\]: s7 seems important now, otherwise q7 cuts in a bad way
PooH [5k\]: wouldnt q7 have given b nice result? w can take the corner, but o7 gets cut
Mikki62 [2k\]: n6?
papamisha [2d\]: I like R8
yuko [?\]: why not O5?
Mikki62 [2k\]: b n5 good for w?
Mikki62 [2k\]: n6*
Poney [2k\]: r8 looks bad shape
]
;W[qp]
;B[pp]C[horacelamb [4d\]: wow
papamisha [2d\]: O5 = 2 weak groups
glace [-\]: Nyu?
]
;W[mm]C[papamisha [2d\]: unexpected but good
Ranye [9k\]: what was r4?
FreeDoom [1d\]: q7 cut is bad for b
Mikki62 [2k\]: w could drive the ladder into b alittle and make good shape?
papamisha [2d\]: no
Mikki62 [2k\]: or w threatens m4?
Mikki62 [2k\]: no?
BoGoss [2k\]: im wondering what was the point of r4-Q4 exchange....
Mikki62 [2k\]: right.... bogoss
yabyum [2k\]: why is the q7 cut bad f. black?
derp [1k\]: puts pressure on q10 stones
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;B[no]C[horacelamb [4d\]: not too much
spherical [-\]: q8 now?
k81 [3d\]: if b cuts then w s6
k81 [3d\]: if b defends w squeze with n5 then  r3
]
;W[rm]
;B[ql]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: w has n4?
]
;W[np]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white almost took o4 back
horacelamb [4d\]: o4 takes some cajones
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oh, the feed is on it, so you saw it anyway :P
YukiStone [3k\]: did he let go?
horacelamb [4d\]: yeah his hand was hovering there
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: didn't seem so to me
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but that does not matter
papamisha [2d\]: impossible to cut, impressive
Hanne [3k\]: to cut what
ictus [4k\]: at q7
Hanne [3k\]: looks cuttable to me ..
ictus [4k\]: if cut then n5 to squeeze then r3?
cstoner [3k\]: q7 n5 p4 n6 p5 r3 ?
YukiStone [3k\]: yes
cstoner [3k\]: R8 could (possibly) be the sort of mistake that gives w a chance at saving this position
Ruzinus [5k?\]: so uh
horacelamb [4d\]: that's true
Ruzinus [5k?\]: anyone want to explain o4?
]
;B[mp]C[Ruzinus [5k?\]: because its entirely beyond me
]
;W[qq]
;B[so]C[spherical [-\]: here you see
cstoner [3k\]: looks like you might get to see
horacelamb [4d\]: already got to see
]
;W[rn]C[just9x9 [-\]: being on board two dinerstein won yesterday against ilja, right?
YukiStone [3k\]: o4 was to prevent b q7
papamisha [2d\]: N4 looks like error
]
;B[qr]C[horacelamb [4d\]: n4 seems fine
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Alex won 2nd yes
]
;W[rq]C[just9x9 [-\]: thx
]
;B[rr]
;W[sp]
;B[pm]C[horacelamb [4d\]: this is painful
horacelamb [4d\]: white isn't even fully alive yet
Ruzinus [5k?\]: he isnt?
horacelamb [4d\]: if he tenukis then he's dead
Highwayman [1d\]: t2 kill locally ?
cstoner [3k\]: Ahhh! if b t2 black can't connect
yabyum [2k\]: black can now t2
Ruzinus [5k?\]: oooh
Ruzinus [5k?\]: indeed
twold [2k\]: if t2 then t6 and alive
slavik1 [6k?\]: класно играют
Onmyoji [2d\]: game over
twold [2k\]: or not :-)
Highwayman [1d\]: no t6 make onlyy one eye
Hanne [3k\]: if b eats n7 stones, game over
IstTengen [5k\]: t2 t6 t3 s8 ?
Zairex [2k\]: wanna see diners face
A1R [8k\]: he can kill w stones or not?
YukiStone [3k\]: n5 first?
]
;W[rj]C[A1R [8k\]: s8?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: wrong direction
Violence [-\]: I like T9
TheWay [4d?\]: bad
TheWay [4d?\]: l9
PooH [5k\]: m10
TheWay [4d?\]: L9
Onmyoji [2d\]: w resign
just9x9 [-\]: l7 for b wrong direction of attack?
twold [2k\]: he would be threatening his own group that way, no?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: doesn't s10 help stabilize his top group and make miai for life or connect for bottom?
glace [-\]: L7 look nice
]
;B[kk]C[YukiStone [3k\]: m9 probably better using attacking principles
YukiStone [3k\]: drive opponent into thickness
TheWay [4d?\]: ues
just9x9 [-\]: 4d strong
Onmyoji [2d\]: no hope
horacelamb [4d\]: this looks very severe
Tien [7d\]: I'll just go ahead and censor Onmyoji
Vondel [2k\]: black looks fine right?
Vondel [2k\]: W connected on the second line
YukiStone [3k\]: white is in trouble....
glace [-\]: No hope for kyu player ;)
Violence [-\]: Black's just fine
Violence [-\]: white's the one with issues
horacelamb [4d\]: it's nice to see that even professionals can make mistakes in the opening
Lepenski [1k\]: black is good
twold [2k\]: even if they are just honorary pros that do not play actively?
TeeSushi [2d\]: dinerchtein played in some pro tournaments
TeeSushi [2d\]: i think he won a game against a 9p if i remember right
Vondel [2k\]: m17?
Tien [7d\]: Pros can easily make mistakes in the opening
twold [2k\]: yeah, i know. he was almost as strong as pro some years back
YukiStone [3k\]: black center/bottom way too large, white has to do something
Onmyoji [2d\]: this is impossible for w
horacelamb [4d\]: yeah black is probably winning by 15 points already
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Only 9p Alex won against was O Rissei
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes it was 2003 ^^ just found the game record 
YukiStone [3k\]: k5
horacelamb [4d\]: how old is Alex?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 29
horacelamb [4d\]: oh, that's not too old then - he still has awhile
]
;W[mo]
;B[op]
;W[nq]C[Bheeshma [4k\]: could you please post link for game record?
horacelamb [4d\]: !!!
]
;B[mn]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: o rissei was judan when he lost to alex :D
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
twold [2k\]: this is for m7 sente?
just9x9 [-\]: m5 now snd living on bottom, lol
horacelamb [4d\]: this variation didn't even occur to me
horacelamb [4d\]: still seems hard for white, but interesting
gospiller [10k?\]: I thought w n6 first...
YukiStone [3k\]: k3
]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[lo]
;B[ln]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: lets see if he can live there :D
YukiStone [3k\]: this seems too heavy to live
twold [2k\]: heavy?
gospiller [10k?\]: l5?
TheWay [4d?\]: M4 soon for b
Bheeshma [4k\]: life looks easy.. but will it be enough?
TheWay [4d?\]: m3
horacelamb [4d\]: life doesn't look easy to me
just9x9 [-\]: m3 fo w now, sacing two more?
horacelamb [4d\]: m4 
MssrBlanc [3k\]: if life were easy, white would be way ahead
HonFu [1d\]: lower right is unsettled
YukiStone [3k\]: its fine
HonFu [1d\]: or is it?
YukiStone [3k\]: miai life or connection
HonFu [1d\]: hm oka
slavik1 [6k?\]: l4
oddalot [7k\]: alexandre must have a closet full of those white shirts
]
;W[ko]C[horacelamb [4d\]: cool
ww [?\]: attention, attention, a move has been played
gospiller [10k?\]: a predicted, ha has
]
;B[lq]C[YukiStone [3k\]: 1 eye, 1 more to go
YukiStone [3k\]: L3.
AurelienC [2d\]: j6 ?
]
;W[kl]C[horacelamb [4d\]: ho!
Onmyoji [2d\]: :o
]
;B[kn]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: w is desperate
curacao [5k\]: i dont understandd why w forced bQ2
]
;W[lk]
;B[lj]
;W[kj]C[SnackBar [2d\]: hard to understand overplays
]
;B[jk]C[YukiStone [3k\]: L10 doesnt look like it works
]
;W[mj]C[A1R [8k\]: n9?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not t2?
]
;B[mk]C[YukiStone [3k\]: t2 s9
SnackBar [2d\]: What an awful game
]
;W[li]C[Zairex [2k\]: wasting ko-threat?
]
;B[ll]C[yithril [2d\]: wie aussichtslos
Onmyoji [2d\]: o9 
]
;W[jo]C[ww [?\]: they can make a nice looking situation
]
;B[lj]C[Biovizir [4k\]: ko!
cdocdo [6k\]: mmmm he choosed ko...
YukiStone [3k\]: j4?
SnackBar [2d\]: white is in a really really bad situation... 
]
;W[kq]
;B[kp]
;W[lp]C[A1R [8k\]: why not L2
]
;B[jq]C[YukiStone [3k\]: l2 m2
A1R [8k\]: for b
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what?
wikkawakka: I expected a pro would do better than this
]
;W[lk]C[ww [?\]: what do we know about b ?
SnackBar [2d\]: that he is stronger than Dinerchtein
spherical [-\]: dunno. he likes to kill?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HwangInSeong
zizu [1d?\]: many koreans are stronger then dino
maligo [4d\]: n3
ww [?\]: oh ^^
YukiStone [3k\]: white wants m7
YukiStone [3k\]: or to live at bottom
AurelienC [2d\]: n11 ?
A1R [8k\]: ate?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: n8 good nuff?
YukiStone [3k\]: m7 probably better
YukiStone [3k\]: i guess problem is giving k5 a base to escape with
TheWay [4d?\]: bN11
]
;B[lm]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: whites turn
TheWay [4d?\]: b should n11
YukiStone [3k\]: why?
YukiStone [3k\]: if white connects then?
]
;W[kr]
;B[lr]C[Javaness [2d\]: How can?
]
;W[jr]
;B[ir]C[YukiStone [3k\]: if n11 before?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what is white doing?
]
;W[iq]
;B[ip]C[Javaness [2d\]: J3
]
;W[io]
;B[hp]C[Novalys [2k\]: lol that's some heavy group
YukiStone [3k\]: he should have k3 or k5 before
YukiStone [3k\]: to get some aji going....
]
;W[ho]C[YukiStone [3k\]: this was heavy from the beginning 
Novalys [2k\]: it's worse here
Novalys [2k\]: At theb eginning it could jump, not so heavy
Novalys [2k\]: Now...
Corangar [4k\]: n2 w for life?
Tobamf [20k?\]: didn't this start with white saving 2 stones?
Novalys [2k\]: it's crawling like a worm
YukiStone [3k\]: yes
Novalys [2k\]: this started with P5 hane ^^
YukiStone [3k\]: but he should have k3 or k5 in my opinion since he had g2
Highwayman [1d\]: white group still has no eyes
karabos [3k\]: how can it  be good f or w
Corangar [4k\]: oh yeah ... false eye
]
;B[js]
;W[gp]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: apparenttly there was this book called "galatic go", and I read a review about it, and the author of the review said a better title would have been "embarrassing games for pros." This game sort of got me thinking about that.
]
;B[hq]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: *Galactic Go
holynec [?\]: that sounds like a book i need to buy hmm
Novalys [2k\]: cosmic maybe
YukiStone [3k\]: white waited too long for n3
YukiStone [3k\]: now its gote
oddalot [7k\]: w is attacking q3 group?
Tobamf [20k?\]: http://www.yutopian.com/go/bookeg/PAY27.html
ZothOmmog [4k\]: q3 alive easy
Highwayman [1d\]: no, q3 group is alive
twold [2k\]: n3 not important
]
;W[hk]C[Highwayman [1d\]: n3 false eye
YukiStone [3k\]: it was sente capture before
twold [2k\]: yes, but then g4 wouldn't be
]
;B[hm]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: g5
Novalys [2k\]: g5 is uber small
watergun [-\]: w is in trouble..
ZothOmmog [4k\]: for  b instead of h7
Ruzinus [5k?\]: w's been in trouble
Novalys [2k\]: that's what i say
A1R [8k\]: if he lose this group he should give up
Babibo [1d\]: any white move around G5 threatens to cut at G3
]
;W[gm]C[Novalys [2k\]: why would you spend a move to capture a stone (kikashi stone moreover)
che [-\]: b seems a lot better to me
ZothOmmog [4k\]: sorry. i ment g6 instead of h7
Tobamf [20k?\]: can white still win this game?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: ywah
YukiStone [3k\]: long way to go
ZothOmmog [4k\]: time to tenuki
]
;B[gl]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: white has big problems
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g8 doesnt look good
]
;W[hl]C[PooH [5k\]: situation in board 1 and 2 resembles eachothers :)
Tobamf [20k?\]: cross cut looks like only option
Tobamf [20k?\]: don't like it though
Novalys [2k\]: what a mess this board is
Tobamf [20k?\]: yeah
Tobamf [20k?\]: can black simply j7 here?
YukiStone [3k\]: looks like a typical kgs game
Tobamf [20k?\]: thats the problem, Yuki
Aldor [2d\]: w may sacrifie his stones and take a strong position on left
Ruzinus [5k?\]: that would be one hell of a sac
YukiStone [3k\]: at least board 1 looks more 'pro like' :))
Aldor [2d\]: if i read well he can cut at E4
silver2k4 [5d\]: how does white do that aldor?
PooH [5k\]: not quite this messy :)
Aldor [2d\]: g6 f7 h6 f6 
]
;B[im]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: white f7 here?
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 g6?
]
;W[gn]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: still hard for white like this
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b will not will 
Novalys [2k\]: G9
cdocdo [6k\]: f5 ? f8 ?
twold [2k\]: nah, this looks better, because of e4 cut
YukiStone [3k\]: whats the most sever move here? f8?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: now e4 is possible
Ruzinus [5k?\]: blacks turn though
Novalys [2k\]: i like g9 now
Ruzinus [5k?\]: G8 looks very sad
Novalys [2k\]: with F5 first
]
;B[fl]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: f8 g3 and connect
YukiStone [3k\]: black can shed d4....
Ruzinus [5k?\]: f5 might be ignored
Ruzinus [5k?\]: to attack G8
YukiStone [3k\]: now if white cuts, black plays f4 all the way up
]
;W[em]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: W+ res
dfer: white not bad
Tobamf [20k?\]: question is, can black cut here? I think not
che [-\]: b eats w for diner
StefanRadu [1d?\]: w is gettin smashed.
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b toast
Ruzinus [5k?\]: breakfast for dinner?
Exar [1d\]: brinner
yithril [2d\]: what game are you watching?
yithril [2d\]: dinerchstein made toast?
yithril [2d\]: I want some
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 only choice?
yithril [2d\]: I hope he made strawberry jam to go with it
Ruzinus [5k?\]: yknow
Ruzinus [5k?\]: they sell that in stores now.
HonFu [1d\]: dont talk about food ... still on a diet :)
ZothOmmog [4k\]: we be jammin. hope you like strawberry too
Bobsyth [5k\]: Well Alex does go by the name Breakfast.
Tobamf [20k?\]: don't think the f7 cut works. bllack must read it carefully
Javaness [2d\]: what a mess
Ruzinus [5k?\]: messy is fun
ZothOmmog [4k\]: needs more nuts
Ruzinus [5k?\]: especially when its someone elses mess
ZothOmmog [4k\]: or lycee
csgo [?\]: exchange d5?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: and especially when its someone that might just pull through that mess
nay4ok [1d?\]:  link eurogo please
XDYuj [7k\]: what time pass?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: see? g8 was teh sych
]
;B[fp]C[Tobamf [20k?\]: can black peep f5 to threaten f7y and then get g5 in sente?
YukiStone [3k\]: hm...
ZothOmmog [4k\]: e6
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 better
Tobamf [20k?\]: white e8?
YukiStone [3k\]: reduces b liebrties
ZothOmmog [4k\]: maybe g3 first
YukiStone [3k\]: g3 is gote
YukiStone [3k\]: well no... nm.
ZothOmmog [4k\]: is it?
YukiStone [3k\]: but it doesnt benefit whte
JohnSmith [?\]: What about time?
dfer: this move is so good
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I cannot see (again). The players moved it away from me. I'll take a look when one of them is away
JohnSmith [?\]: Thanks
YukiStone [3k\]: i dont really get it
]
;W[dm]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: d7 goooooood
ben0 [5d\]: f10
ZothOmmog [4k\]: f10 f9
ben0 [5d\]: or something in c14's area
YukiStone [3k\]: f10, just connect.
slavik1 [6k?\]: f7
ZothOmmog [4k\]: f7 terrible
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 1:12, b: 1:23 time left
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 f6 e6 f10 
ww [?\]: w feels like ahead now ?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: you mean e9
ww [?\]: or maybe ... impossible to say ? :o
YukiStone [3k\]: e9 better, yes
ww [?\]: or actually the middle seems like b is in control there and the attack is not over
ww [?\]: but im 1k to mention.. == I have no idea
]
;B[gj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: maybe n11 now
YukiStone [3k\]: o11 would be better than n11 but white needs to connect
ww [?\]: dont w need f7 or e9 or something now
YukiStone [3k\]: e9 looks good
ww [?\]: but b f10 and w has to defend
ww [?\]: then b just gained maybe
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 maybe best
ZothOmmog [4k\]: e9 h10
YukiStone [3k\]: those 2 stones small
Ibicus [1k\]: e6 best i think
YukiStone [3k\]: e9 would be to protect the cut
YukiStone [3k\]: if e9, h10, then c15
ZothOmmog [4k\]: then f7
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 dont work after e9...
ZothOmmog [4k\]: orly?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: e9 h10 c15 f7 then?
just9x9 [-\]: f5
YukiStone [3k\]: f6 e6 g9 f9 f10 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: f6
YukiStone [3k\]: and b is captured
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no, w has 2 libs, b has 2 libs and its b turn
ZothOmmog [4k\]: white captured
YukiStone [3k\]: b has 1 liberty after the cut
]
;W[lc]C[YukiStone [3k\]: not 2
just9x9 [-\]: yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black would have 1 liberty if he pushes through at f7
just9x9 [-\]: that was the obvious one :)
ally [1d?\]: w not connected? 
twold [2k\]: ko!
just9x9 [-\]: f7 e6 f6 f5 c6 huge ko 
twold [2k\]: yeah, except it doesn't work :-)
twold [2k\]: or does it?
]
;B[ob]C[twold [2k\]: first i thougth it does, no it doesn't, no i don't know
twold [2k\]: no=now
Zairex [2k\]: f7 e6 f6 f5 e5 c6 
Zairex [2k\]: koo
Ranye [9k\]: score is w+100
oddalot [7k\]: why that move instead of 018?
snowman [-\]: that's a very common shape in the corner
oddalot [7k\]: protects against 3x3 invasion?
snowman [-\]: leaves no aji, yes
just9x9 [-\]: o18 gives p17 i?d say
ZothOmmog [4k\]: hmm, i guess e9 f10 then
YukiStone [3k\]: why b dont push and cut/
Novalys [2k\]: C15
YukiStone [3k\]: corner i guess would have been too huge
]
;W[ej]C[Novalys [2k\]: b forced to h10 ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I wonder if the dan players are still there, I can't hear them anymore
YukiStone [3k\]: h10 maybe
Pot [3k\]: ^^
]
;B[hj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Now it is 2 against 2 liberties I guess
YukiStone [3k\]: e6 d15
]
;W[de]C[YukiStone [3k\]: wow
YukiStone [3k\]: f7 now?
just9x9 [-\]: imho white recovered nicely in this game. o3 was superb
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Any dan players shed some light on the cut at f7?
veteran [1d\]: big ko
derp [1k\]: not dan, but looks ko
]
;B[fm]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Here we go!
]
;W[en]C[just9x9 [-\]: here we ko
ally [1d?\]: begins
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: haha
AURELIE46 [3d\]: ko
YukiStone [3k\]: i missed this
Novalys [2k\]: do w cares about the ko if he gets to play another move on top ?
]
;B[fn]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: i think if black plays f7 white should play e6
Gleb81 [4k?\]: ko
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he already did, Xiangqi
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what? did i miss something?
veteran [1d\]: Novalys, dragon live or die
Xiangqi [4k\]: then im right!
ZothOmmog [4k\]: hey! f7!
nebula [2k\]: looks like ko
just9x9 [-\]: ko is about 40points
YukiStone [3k\]: is this even ko?
]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]
;W[cn]C[veteran [1d\]: but B could lose big
]
;B[go]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: ko becaUSE OF BLACK'S SHAPE DEFECT
Xiangqi [4k\]: sorry my fingers are fat
Zairex [2k\]: yohoho and a bottle of rum
Ranye [9k\]: who has more threats?
HonFu [1d\]: :D
ZothOmmog [4k\]: w is hosed
AURELIE46 [3d\]: o9
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b wins!
fantastigo [1d\]: why did white not connect
Gleb81 [4k?\]: n8 ?
]
;W[ml]
;B[nk]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: this is alex we're talking about I'm sure he didnt miss this
]
;W[fo]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: just watch
just9x9 [-\]: white took m17 instead of connecting
YukiStone [3k\]: he had to play faster
YukiStone [3k\]: was behind
]
;B[ep]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: g3
Babibo [1d\]: making the ko even bigger
ally [1d?\]: cool
Novalys [2k\]: b has no threats at all
Lepenski [1k\]: white g3
derp [1k\]: t2 is one
BattleCrui [4k\]: t3 for black
Kangur [-\]: T3 is 2 small
Babibo [1d\]: t2 is small
Novalys [2k\]: t3 tenuki
Rossk [-\]: t3 small
Gleb81 [4k?\]: g3 
Lepenski [1k\]: wg3
BattleCrui [4k\]: t3 is life
dfer: R17 now
Novalys [2k\]: w has  connection on top if black takes in gote
BattleCrui [4k\]: for dragon
YukiStone [3k\]: white cant t3.....
YukiStone [3k\]: if b t2.
YukiStone [3k\]: t2 s9
BattleCrui [4k\]: t3 t2 t1 
BattleCrui [4k\]: 2 ko threats
BattleCrui [4k\]: ?
Kangur [-\]: 0 ko treats because they are small
Hanne [3k\]: b 2 local threats
YukiStone [3k\]: s8 a threat
just9x9 [-\]: s8 same as t2
Babibo [1d\]: these local threats make the ko bigger. That's not a good plan usually
curacao [5k\]: w G3 then h2
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g3 g5
ZothOmmog [4k\]: bad
YukiStone [3k\]: b probably planning on taking regardless
ZothOmmog [4k\]: q8 good
BattleCrui [4k\]: q8 m10 ?
Tristero [2d\]: I wonder what w thought?
Xiangqi [4k\]: yeah i was going to ask about Q8. 
curacao [5k\]: w g3 permits the w H2 treat 
YukiStone [3k\]: white has to g3
Ruzinus [5k?\]: white doesnt have to play the ko
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g3 terrible
]
;W[qc]C[ally [1d?\]: wow
ZothOmmog [4k\]: huge
YukiStone [3k\]: why is g3 terrible?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g5
curacao [5k\]: more ko treats
YukiStone [3k\]: ..... g3 is only way for white to get out
AURELIE46 [3d\]: make ko
YukiStone [3k\]: that is why its a ko fight
curacao [5k\]: yes, why g3 is terrible?
Kangur [-\]: because after G3 black takes ko
Kangur [-\]: and white has no ko treats
Rossk [-\]: well w needs more ko threats, then can play g3 after
curacao [5k\]: and h2?
Rossk [-\]: just must make ko threats in sente
Lino [1d\]: h2 is no ko threat
Kangur [-\]: after G5 white G3 is in atari
Kangur [-\]: H2 is stupid
curacao [5k\]: ok
Rossk [-\]: that is one way of putting  it..
YukiStone [3k\]: g3 is the only way to go after white gets some threats
ZothOmmog [4k\]: better to just play staight ko threats than g3
Lepenski [1k\]: this game is the end
YukiStone [3k\]: which is probably what r17 is all about
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b counting
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 0:52, b: 1:11 time left
]
;B[gq]C[Rossk [-\]: so let's see what w has planned
ZothOmmog [4k\]: B+ res
tupinoz [4k\]: how abouth table 16
spherical [-\]: all your goban now belong to us!
alexjhu [10k\]: B+res mean black wins right
]
;W[re]C[Mrui [18k\]: yes
Xiangqi [4k\]: i think he was sort of making a joke
ZothOmmog [4k\]: n11
Xiangqi [4k\]: alex got 2 corners for that dragon. maybe it's not that bad.
Rossk [-\]: n11 a bit out of the context?
ben0 [5d\]: 70 pts for black
ghool: b has about 70 points?
ghool: oh
ben0 [5d\]: i think
ZothOmmog [4k\]: how is n11 out of context?
ghool: i think too
veteran [1d\]: B might save something top left after r18
ally [1d?\]: really d15 costs 40 points?
]
;B[le]C[ppc [5k\]: p11 for b
ZothOmmog [4k\]: p11 for w you mean :)
ghool: so whtie has some catching up to do
]
;W[jc]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: go hwang in-seong!
Novalys [2k\]: k15 thank you move
snowman [-\]: k15
YukiStone [3k\]: n12
Novalys [2k\]: w fixes his weakness for free
Zairex [2k\]: hwang a cool guy
Novalys [2k\]: m15 sorry*
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g17
Novalys [2k\]: g17 overplay
Novalys [2k\]: B has to live
ZothOmmog [4k\]: h17 then
Xiangqi [4k\]: white seems so solid everywhere nothing for b to really attack
Rossk [-\]: j15
goghost [5k?\]: b o11 
Mukti [4d\]: b has about 76 secure points, but still I feel w is doing better
ghool: g17 is pushing it, b needs to fix o16 group
snowman [-\]: k15 followed by n12 and black has got a good share of the territory on top
Xiangqi [4k\]: this is an amzing game
ZothOmmog [4k\]: maybe c13
Mukti [4d\]: w has at least 20 at the right + 30 in the lower left + 20 in the top left and potential+attack
YukiStone [3k\]: .... b has to live zoth
ZothOmmog [4k\]: live shmive
ZothOmmog [4k\]: damn the torpedoes
ally [1d?\]: this game is too cool to my mind
Icare [1d\]: c13
Ruzinus [5k?\]: Zoth - Disliker of Torpedoes
Xiangqi [4k\]: yeah anyone else here would have connected that dragon. alexandre just plays d15 and lets it go
YukiStone [3k\]: N12 looks like the only move to start....
A1R [8k\]: how much time left?
]
;B[rd]
;W[qd]
;B[pe]
;W[rc]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I update time every time one of them leaves
ZothOmmog [4k\]: s14
YukiStone [3k\]: what did that do?
]
;B[rf]
;W[sd]
;B[of]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: solidify
A1R [8k\]: ok
ZothOmmog [4k\]: in sente
alexjhu [10k\]: how point for black in that lower center
alexjhu [10k\]: 50+?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: 70
just9x9 [-\]: 60 :P
ally [1d?\]: %)))
lemming [-\]: 65 :)
ZothOmmog [4k\]: do i hear 65 65 65? 
Icare [1d\]: 77 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: i hear 65. do i hear 70 70 70?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: 77 
ben0 [5d\]: lot of
ZothOmmog [4k\]: 77 going once
ZothOmmog [4k\]: going twice
ZothOmmog [4k\]: sold to zothommog
mccrusty [2k\]: you over paid by at least 20
Icare [1d\]: I win !!!
veteran [1d\]: looks like B won
ZothOmmog [4k\]: you are now the proud owner of overcounting icare!
YukiStone [3k\]: b still has d18
]
;W[og]
;B[pg]
;W[qg]
;B[ng]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: o14 needed?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: how does o13 work?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lighter shape I'd say
]
;W[oh]C[just9x9 [-\]: i correct myself. lowe side is moe than 70 considering o7 and h8 area
YukiStone [3k\]: alive
ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not p15?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: for w
]
;B[mh]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: while he was in atari at p13?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: yes
YukiStone [3k\]: p15 p12
ally [1d?\]: b cool
ZothOmmog [4k\]: p16
YukiStone [3k\]: the he connects via o11...
]
;W[nf]C[YukiStone [3k\]: b doest care about 3 stones
]
;B[mf]
;W[oe]C[YukiStone [3k\]: then he capures whites 4 at m9...
]
;B[od]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b just saved his 3 stones :P
YukiStone [3k\]: it would ahve been a trade the other way
]
;W[if]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: now b gets all
YukiStone [3k\]: no b not alive
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what?
Xiangqi [4k\]: b is connected
ZothOmmog [4k\]: maybe if he tenukies a bunch
A1R [8k\]: can b play at c12?
Cunning [3k\]: SE works gr8
Xiangqi [4k\]: white is giving up that ponnuki. offering to make the border around j14
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k13
YukiStone [3k\]: n11 and b isnt connected
ZothOmmog [4k\]: n11 o11
YukiStone [3k\]: then o12....
Xiangqi [4k\]: n11 eh?
Xiangqi [4k\]: uh huuh
Xiangqi [4k\]: ok
ZothOmmog [4k\]:  n11 stones die way before o13 die
Novalys [2k\]: b  can resign
geruempel [3k\]: doesnt help that ponnuki much ... still can be caught
Rossk [-\]: b can connect i think but it doesn't seem like a good idea
Xiangqi [4k\]: of course not. not unless white forces him to
alexjhu [10k\]: black probably want to take center
Lax [3k\]: G12 seems fun
Novalys [2k\]: or not
YukiStone [3k\]: g12 looks slow
ZothOmmog [4k\]: c12
Rossk [-\]: j16
papamisha [2d\]: white is good to sacrifice all
just9x9 [-\]: c17
]
;B[hf]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 45 mins, b: 57 mins left
ZothOmmog [4k\]: sooo predictable
A1R [8k\]: thx
ally [1d?\]: korean style
watergun [-\]: ah
watergun [-\]: very aggressive..
Xiangqi [4k\]: this ought to be entertaining
iLMM [-\]: honte
ZothOmmog [4k\]: j13
ally [1d?\]: h13
A1R [8k\]: is dinerchtein an active player as pro?
ally [1d?\]: no
alexjhu [10k\]: 3p and 7d
alexjhu [10k\]: 4 rank differences
watergun [-\]: he teahes go full time i guess
A1R [8k\]: ah
watergun [-\]: *teaches
ally [1d?\]: its close enough
Novalys [2k\]: Alexjhu there is no "4 rank difference"
stefy [7k\]: j
stefy [7k\]: io
stefy [7k\]: h
stefy [7k\]: k
Novalys [2k\]: 3p doesn't mean 7d +3
stefy [7k\]: i
stefy [7k\]: ii
stefy [7k\]: ii
stefy [7k\]: ii
stefy [7k\]: i
YukiStone [3k\]: stop please
stefy [7k\]: ok
stefy [7k\]: ok
stefy [7k\]: ok
just9x9 [-\]: bye stefy :)
Novalys [2k\]: lol 
stefy [7k\]: bye
ally [1d?\]: were Hwang insei?
stefy [7k\]: bye-just9
alexjhu [10k\]: i don't get it
stefy [7k\]: :))
alexjhu [10k\]: 3p is like 3d right?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: no.
ally [1d?\]: no
Novalys [2k\]: no
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 3p is like 7d
alexjhu [10k\]: ...
watergun [-\]: nope..
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 4-6p is like 8d
ally [1d?\]: close
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 7-9p is like 9d
alexjhu [10k\]: lol
alexjhu [10k\]: i don't get the p rank system
watergun [-\]: no..
Ruzinus [5k?\]: erm.
Novalys [2k\]: it depends eurogo.. you can get to 7p just becuse you've been playing for a long time
Ruzinus [5k?\]: p just means professional
twold [2k\]: p usually (but not always) means stronger than all amateurs
]
;W[he]C[bolbi [-\]: you can't compare p rank and ama ranks
Novalys [2k\]: So.. just amateur 7d is about pro (no matter which dan pro)
Ruzinus [5k?\]: no
Novalys [2k\]: b doesn't look healthy at all
Novalys [2k\]: in the game*
twold [2k\]: h14 you mean?
juhop [2d\]: what about w then?
Xiangqi [4k\]: for every player that makes pro there are probably like 50 or 100 top rank amatures who don't make it
Rossk [-\]: well where is hwang ranked as 7d?
porandojin [9k\]: 7d = 2700 rank points,8d= 2800 rank points,1 p= 2800 rank poits 2p - 2830 rank points 3p= 2860 etc.?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: In Europe, highest rank is 7d
]
;B[hg]C[porandojin [9k\]: yeah, but special rank is 8d.
twold [2k\]: for wagc winner?
watergun [-\]: let's put it this way. when you reach 7d, you will normally get to start  as a 1p if you wanna go pro
OneLuck [2d\]: what special rank?
Tobamf [20k?\]: white has 150 points
Tobamf [20k?\]: s4 g5 m10 p14 s16  x 30 each = 150
porandojin [9k\]: 7 d can reach every single person but 8 d can't probably.
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: See http://senseis.xmp.net/?path=Rank&page=RankAmateurAndProfessional for any questions/discussions about comparing amateur and pro ranks
Xiangqi [4k\]: when you correct for life and death SE has white up by 42
Tobamf [20k?\]: so black must have 108 then
Onmyoji [2d\]: yes
Onmyoji [2d\]: b has 108 w has 150
Xiangqi [4k\]: I don't knew. i've really never learned how to count before the endgame
Tobamf [20k?\]: ponuki math is easiest way to count
ally [1d?\]: left side -- there are possible invasions
BattleCrui [4k\]: c8 +30?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: ponuki math?
Vondel [2k\]: now w e13?
Tobamf [20k?\]: yes, 30 pts per ponuki
Onmyoji [2d\]: fast and easy way to count
Xiangqi [4k\]: i would think clearly black can invade the left and live. white will still get a lot of points in both corners though
ZothOmmog [4k\]: w has ponuki at g5. 30 points
Tobamf [20k?\]: white has 5 ponukis
Xiangqi [4k\]: haha yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?PositionalJudgmentHighSpeedGameAnalysis might be a good read
ZothOmmog [4k\]: m10 another 30 poiints
Xiangqi [4k\]: thanks
ZothOmmog [4k\]: p14 35 points
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;W[ig]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: I like weakening black's connection and reducing that center all at once
ZothOmmog [4k\]: g15
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;B[ge]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: woot1
gdghgjd [1d\]: g14!
Xiangqi [4k\]: so is black gambling?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: nah
wanda [1k\]: rather reading
iLMM [-\]: black is fighting like a man
]
;W[ie]C[iLMM [-\]: crazy one but still
Xiangqi [4k\]: haha
YukiStone [3k\]: now n11 dangerous
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k12 now
Xiangqi [4k\]: h12 white is going to be a big problem for black 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: guess he needs to j12 first
David [2d\]: j15 
YukiStone [3k\]: j15 taken :))
papamisha [2d\]: black starts to understand that killing is not way to victory
Xiangqi [4k\]: hehe
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;B[df]C[ally [1d?\]: %)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Alex sighed it seemed
nay4ok [1d?\]: is there no video for us to see?
holynec [?\]: hey, how did oh chi-min look
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;W[ce]C[holynec [?\]: eurogotv2?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: He's in another room
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: So didn't see whether he was deeply disappointed
Onmyoji [2d\]: you heard him sigh from the other room?
holynec [?\]: his profile said he was going to be champion
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I said Alex sighed
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
wikkawakka: frustrated?
nay4ok [1d?\]: again, only 1st board is shown. there're no cameras on others?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not yet
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: next game I hope
meuns [2k\]: breakfast is losing badly :s
nay4ok [1d?\]: yet? you gonna have them
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;B[ff]C[nay4ok [1d?\]: oh, i see
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: We have another camera, but the network cable is the problem
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not enough bandwidth
nay4ok [1d?\]: what's up with it?
nay4ok [1d?\]: oh..
meuns [2k\]: can he kill P16 ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and very poor connection overall
watergun [-\]: c15 feels insulting?
crouik [?\]: EuroGoTV2, can you please let the organizers know that the result page of the tournament lacks the player numbers information.. so results are impossible to read
meuns [2k\]: how to kill P16 ?
pel [2k?\]: croik, no?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I will let them know after the game
crouik [?\]: yeah sure no emergency ;)
crouik [?\]: thanks ;)
nay4ok [1d?\]: p16 non killable
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;W[mi]
;B[ne]C[nay4ok [1d?\]: or so it would seem
]
;W[of]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: we'll see
pel [2k?\]: croik, just count - if the player has no number it still has one (they're in the same place - but they still have numbers according to the order)
meuns [2k\]: if w can't kill P16 the game is done
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oh that you meant, it just means they have a shared place
nay4ok [1d?\]: i hope it is. I'm rooting against AlexD
meuns [2k\]: so if w dosn't resign, p16 is killable
pel [2k?\]: yes
Novalys [2k\]: Why would w resign ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so if it's 1 ..... 4, then there's 3 1st places
crouik [?\]: still it's not written so hard to read
meuns [2k\]: w is losing badly id P16 alive
Onmyoji [2d\]: its alive
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I'm afraid it's normal and not something to change anytime soon
pel [2k?\]: crouik, they're always made like that
Novalys [2k\]: meunsnoir mène pas tant que ça
meuns [2k\]: ^^
crouik [?\]: when it says dinerchstain won "20+w0"; it's hard to figure who was the opponent
pel [2k?\]: crouik, just find player on row 20
crouik [?\]: sometimes the number is written in front of the players names, so it makes it easy to read
crouik [?\]: number the rows
meuns [2k\]: easy win if P16 alive
pel [2k?\]: crouik, you're just lazy :)
meuns [2k\]: k5 made a lot of points
crouik [?\]: anyway sorry to make this offftopic, I didn't mean to argue
crouik [?\]: I've heard a lot of people not understanding those results on KGS, it's not just me
Javaness [2d\]: I found them ok
SnackBar [2d\]: "If a player need absolutly a kill to win the game... The game is already lost"
Novalys [2k\]: Meuns, si blanc prend G17 et noir vit gote
meuns [2k\]: how does b seem ?
Javaness [2d\]: since they are produced by the draw computer i don't think they'll be altered
Novalys [2k\]: blanc est en avance
nay4ok [1d?\]: мугуль, hi ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: They won't be altered, unless there's a revolution in the european go world :P
meuns [2k\]: i can't view the streamed video
MoogleOo [-\]: привет)
meuns [2k\]: how is hwang ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: meuns, mention this on board one please
crouik [?\]: no revolution needed to put a number in front of the rows
meuns [2k\]: my flash player is done  ^^
meuns [2k\]: but thx eurogo
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;B[mc]C[meuns [2k\]: nice move ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: crouik, it would have to be another colour or something, because they now mean that e.g. in round 2 there's 5 1st places
pel [2k?\]: if they have the plain wallists available i could use the script for last years egc
meuns [2k\]: why not ?m16 
mccrusty [2k\]: its not so hard to count is it .. now that you know what the numbers mean
kaly [2k\]: w is known to be strong at endgame, no ?
SnackBar [2d\]: m16 ? 
meuns [2k\]: no end game if P18 alive
meuns [2k\]: m16 is my move !
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: take a look at http://egc2008.eu/en/congress/scoreboard/index.php, place 5
meuns [2k\]: :p
YukiStone [3k\]: m16 is bad
SnackBar [2d\]: didn't see meuns sorry 
SnackBar [2d\]: but it's mine too :)
YukiStone [3k\]: he was saying isntead of n17
meuns [2k\]: ^^
SnackBar [2d\]: m16 m18 l18 o18 alive ? 
YukiStone [3k\]: m16,, n17,..
pel [2k?\]: eurogotv2, yes - but the difference is that you can hover the mouse over scores :)
Javaness [2d\]: In seong is hard to kill
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;W[hh]C[meuns [2k\]: i see a ko
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I can ask if the organization can include that
meuns [2k\]: tenuki
meuns [2k\]: wow
pel [2k?\]: they can ask me for the script if they want
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: can you send the script to team@egc2009.nl please? ;)
]
;B[gh]C[pel [2k?\]: sure, np
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: thanks a lot
]
;W[ld]C[turk [6d\]: h12 a misread?
SnackBar [2d\]: timesuji ? 
MoogleOo [-\]: h12 to help connect the m11 maybe?
YukiStone [3k\]: maybe he wants to make sure he can connect to m11
]
;B[lb]C[Krokadel [3k\]: delicious game
meuns [2k\]: strong game
Kaisai [3k\]: black is choking himself?
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
meuns [2k\]: breakfast must win
meuns [2k\]: pro can't lose !
SnackBar [2d\]: lol..
ally [1d?\]: %))
SnackBar [2d\]: breakfast... 
SnackBar [2d\]: pro... 
SnackBar [2d\]: sounds strange
SnackBar [2d\]: :P
Krokadel [3k\]: only move
just9x9 [-\]: have a pro for breakfast
Celis [2k\]: W seems lost
watergun [-\]: don't be too hard on him. he's just a honorary pro. hehe..
]
;W[kb]
;B[mb]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: honorary 3 dan pro then :P
watergun [-\]: ;P
SnackBar [2d\]: I read n18 dead T_T... i have to improve my reading :(
]
;W[qb]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: empty triangle for the kill?
turk [6d\]: nothing wrong with your reading ^^
kaly [2k\]: r18 killing move ??
SnackBar [2d\]: thx turk *_*
Celis [2k\]: very strange indeed
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: looks good to me
Ranye [9k\]: misclick?
meuns [2k\]: dieeee !
kaly [2k\]: looks missklik to me too :)
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;B[lh]C[meuns [2k\]: i see one eye and many throw in !
YukiStone [3k\]: only 1 eye up top
Krokadel [3k\]: that is it
EPMAK [1d\]: w must win 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: what about m19?
meuns [2k\]: really hard
YukiStone [3k\]: m19, o19
Korea4K [2d\]: b alive
Korea4K [2d\]: two eyes
EPMAK [1d\]: alive by ko
meuns [2k\]: just o12 ?
Krokadel [3k\]: alive without any ko or problems
turk [6d\]: is j12 sente?
EPMAK [1d\]: no
EPMAK [1d\]: o12 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 20 mins, b: 37 mins
EPMAK [1d\]: o12 makes eyes
A1R [8k\]: w will go into byo yomi
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;W[gg]C[Ruzinus [5k?\]: they both will
]
;B[gf]C[meuns [2k\]: o12 n13 l13 ?
meuns [2k\]: b dead ?
A1R [8k\]: but w earlier^^
]
;W[kf]C[just9x9 [-\]: simplified ing rules also include buying time?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: probably?
meuns [2k\]: ugly rule...
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I don't think so
EPMAK [1d\]: no eyes
Ignatius [3k\]: l12 black connected?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: n11
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: n11 is w stone
Lovepove [7k\]: So... white is dead around k5?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: are you threatening me?
SnackBar [2d\]: yes lovepove... completely dead
Korea4K [2d\]: y dead
Korea4K [2d\]: white dead
Cunning [3k\]: o11 o12 l11 n13 m13 m14 ko for b's life
ZothOmmog [4k\]: o11 for ko
Nak0r [4k\]: o12
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;B[kh]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: b escapes!
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no ko
Krokadel [3k\]: q17 black can play when hi want
Krokadel [3k\]: for live
che [-\]: w loosin it seems 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: w  +83.5
Chilltime [2k\]: really? doesnt have w more territory?
Krokadel [3k\]: w k10 
Ruzinus [5k?\]: oh that SE
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k10 ick
Ruzinus [5k?\]: its so silly
Korea4K [2d\]: b conected
A1R [8k\]: hasn't w captured the b grp?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no
A1R [8k\]: b captured the w grPß
A1R [8k\]: *grp?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: which white group?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: the one at the bottom, yes.
A1R [8k\]: yep
meuns [2k\]: w strong
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;W[ji]C[A1R [8k\]: k12?
Krokadel [3k\]: black live, and white around m10 live but white is sente for top left situation
meuns [2k\]: black dead
meuns [2k\]: else black wins
A1R [8k\]: k12 doesnt work?
Lepenski [1k\]: ko
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: o12 alive ?
Korea4K [2d\]: O11 better than k12
Courgette [2k\]: l11 
wrathful [2k\]: lol every next moove mlack or white is dead acording to comments
A1R [8k\]: but possible?
Korea4K [2d\]: cut
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: o12, o11, M14
Nak0r [4k\]: but o11 ko for life no ?
Courgette [2k\]: L11
ZothOmmog [4k\]: not ko
meuns [2k\]: o12 
Korea4K [2d\]: w short
meuns [2k\]: no
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b just connects with o11
meuns [2k\]: o12 bad
Krokadel [3k\]: q17 is live whitout ko
kiusasori [2d\]: o12 o11 m14 easy second eye for b
meuns [2k\]: o11 ?
meuns [2k\]: o12 m13 
Korea4K [2d\]: o11 is strongmove
just9x9 [-\]: q17 m19 no life there
Ruzinus [5k?\]: oh
Ruzinus [5k?\]: o11 still works
wrathful [2k\]: 012 m13
gryn [1k?\]: kiu if o12 white can m13
dxxd [-\]: if it took 1 or 2 moves to read out..they wouldn't be playing anymore
Tristero [2d\]: yepp
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k10 is danger
Muscadet [?\]: 011 - o12 , l11 -n13, m13 - l14 ko, but w has already lost the center stones
SnackBar [2d\]: o11 o12 l11 n13 m13 m14 ko ? 
kaly [2k\]: what is SE, supposing o16 alive ?
XeHTau [1k?\]: вот свисту будет если динер такое вытащит
kserks [2k\]: l11
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b is worried about k10
A1R [8k\]: english?
EPMAK [1d\]: XeHTau, сам не свисти - динер выигрывает 
EPMAK [1d\]: XeHTau, сам не свисти - динер выигрывает
Krokadel [3k\]: sto takoe "svistu"
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;B[ni]C[curacao [5k\]: выигры  вает самj невисти ерин?
]
;W[nh]C[meuns [2k\]: ko
EPMAK [1d\]: свист - это такой звук из сдвинутых в тонкую щель губ
wrathful [2k\]: whistle
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;B[mg]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: this is the english room, so please keep it in english
ZothOmmog [4k\]: euro is english?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: no
Lepenski [1k\]: tolerance
gryn [1k?\]: whaaa, zhen de?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: its not
Ruzinus [5k?\]: its not any room
kaly [2k\]: il dit quoi le SE, en supposant que o16 est vivant ?
che [-\]: b too strong 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: "English Game Room"
meuns [2k\]: no ko
Ruzinus [5k?\]: featured games happen to show there
kaly [2k\]: (in english nobody answers)
zyklop [1d\]: w k10 ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: We enter English room, then make a game
Ruzinus [5k?\]: but theyre also active game tab
gryn [1k?\]: podus perfectus es...
Ruzinus [5k?\]: always the top for everyone
Vogel [1k\]: different laguages ok
cancerwa [5d\]: l11 k12 j12 j11 j10 h11 k8 m10 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Want me to talk in Dutch then?
Kivaa [5k\]: Ja!
SnackBar [2d\]: H11 now ? 
Ruzinus [5k?\]: as you please
Vogel [1k\]: mach doch :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Nee!
wanda [1k\]:  Dinerchtein completely outplayed
gryn [1k?\]: eurogo if it makes you happy
che [-\]: resignation seems appropriate
papamisha [2d\]: difficul ko fro white
ZothOmmog [4k\]: would w play that ko?
zyklop [1d\]: very
Larrave [3k\]: in seong got pro strength
ZothOmmog [4k\]: seems crazy
zyklop [1d\]: if there is one
meuns [2k\]: nice trade
just9x9 [-\]: game is taking place in the EGR so english should be the common language here, there is no point in discussing that
meuns [2k\]: cancerwa is true !
Lepenski [1k\]: no, its stupid in" English Room"  read English langvige
meuns [2k\]: b will trade
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;W[gi]
;B[fh]C[ppc [5k\]: l10
Korea4K [2d\]: the game should be resigned by white
che [-\]: please dont discuss the language, discuss the game
meuns [2k\]: no
ZothOmmog [4k\]: mpe ;22
Ruzinus [5k?\]: Im pretty sure that KGS allows any language discussion in a featured game.
meuns [2k\]: J5 is saved
ZothOmmog [4k\]: now l11
kaly [2k\]: tell me SE in dutch please :p
A1R [8k\]: L11???
Vogel [1k\]: sure all languages toleratet in this chat
bolbi [-\]: ruzinus is right
svrcd [?\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/languages.html
godfather1 [1k\]: I don't like w's playing 
bolbi [-\]: no language troll please
krapfen [3k\]: it´s called EUROgo - isn´t europe more than just england?
EPMAK [1d\]: w escapes
meuns [2k\]: w will win !
meuns [2k\]: he is strong, no doubt !
Ruzinus [5k?\]: both players are strong
iLMM [-\]: krapfen: zgadza sie
meuns [2k\]: l11 !
arndt [4k?\]: Other languages can be spoken in copies of this game - just clone it.
ZothOmmog [4k\]: how does b respond to L11?
YukiStone [3k\]: k12
papamisha [2d\]: no ko
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k12 j11
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;W[ki]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: b in trouble
EPMAK [1d\]: b died
wrathful [2k\]: lol
meuns [2k\]: cancerwa was fine ^^
meuns [2k\]: i am dreaming ^^
meuns [2k\]: w rules
Korea4K [2d\]: impossible for w
zyklop [1d\]: still w in trouble
Reym: i don't see how w can leave
meuns [2k\]: he is crushing b here !
Korea4K [2d\]: w too short
just9x9 [-\]: g13 some moves ago was superb imho
che [-\]: k12 
YukiStone [3k\]: white is fine
A1R [8k\]: yeah
A1R [8k\]: k12
Courgette [2k\]: don't work
meuns [2k\]: more than fin
iLMM [-\]: b in trouble w in trouble, very hard game
YukiStone [3k\]: k12, j12
Larrave [3k\]: too much aji around j9
Korea4K [2d\]: w try only
che [-\]: b can let w pull j9 off
just9x9 [-\]: h5 will live in the end :))
meuns [2k\]: everyone should read K12 J12
ZothOmmog [4k\]: no k12 j11
barakeel [1d\]: i read k12 j11 then
meuns [2k\]: k12 j12 funnier !
meuns [2k\]: :D
Larrave [3k\]: j12 works too
barakeel [1d\]: oh yeah
barakeel [1d\]: saw  it
barakeel [1d\]: double atari
Gleb81 [4k?\]: ko
]
;B[ke]C[meuns [2k\]: k12 j11 j12 h11 f11 ? j11 seems bad
PooH [5k\]: didnt see that one
meuns [2k\]: whatta game
zavion [2k?\]: k12 j12 j11 j10 h11 g9 f10 f9 and w is out isnt he?
YukiStone [3k\]: k12 j12 j11 j10 h11 g9 f11 f10 f11 j9 k8 k10 
Korea4K [2d\]: L15 genius
meuns [2k\]: k12 J12 rules
zavion [2k?\]: err of course yuki i misclicked :)
]
;W[jf]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: why f11 twice, yuki?
zavion [2k?\]: still atari
Korea4K [2d\]: k16
YukiStone [3k\]: second f11 should be g11
barakeel [1d\]: now black need a tesuji
Lepenski [1k\]: n16
just9x9 [-\]: l17
just9x9 [-\]: oh foget that
BoGoss [2k\]: can b cut off the l11 stones?
Krokadel [3k\]: q17
just9x9 [-\]: q17 m19 
papamisha [2d\]: do not see dangerouse fro black
Ranye [9k\]: plz give link to euro go tv
YukiStone [3k\]: b dead
gryn [1k?\]: white would j9 not k8
barakeel [1d\]: b dead now
EPMAK [1d\]: w win!
papamisha [2d\]: *whit
]
;B[hc]C[meuns [2k\]: p16 was dead
EPMAK [1d\]: semeai
meuns [2k\]: noooo !
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black going for the kill?
Krokadel [3k\]: if m19 than o19
meuns [2k\]: counter attack
Korea4K [2d\]: K12 works but b will all
YukiStone [3k\]: h17 doesnt work
YukiStone [3k\]: k16 and over
ZothOmmog [4k\]: h18 awsome
YukiStone [3k\]: white connects to e10
meuns [2k\]: h17 works if b plays it
Muscadet [?\]: in the end w will get his k5 stones back if b k12 
papamisha [2d\]: mission impossible
meuns [2k\]: ^ 
meuns [2k\]: hard to count liberties for the semeai
BoGoss [2k\]: time?
]
;W[gd]C[barakeel [1d\]: if semeai i bet black win
just9x9 [-\]: wow g16 not giving in an inch
Javaness [2d\]: has to play g16
Muscadet [?\]: grat fighting clap clap 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k16 now
YukiStone [3k\]: cant b just k16 ?
just9x9 [-\]: n16 lib dont forget
alexjhu [10k\]: d11 !!!
EPMAK [1d\]: b alive by m19 
Korea4K [2d\]: G16 overplay b play k16
YukiStone [3k\]: m19 o19....
ZothOmmog [4k\]: k16 works
Cunning [3k\]: m19 o19 q17 
Korea4K [2d\]: g16 please
barakeel [1d\]: k16 j16and then?
EPMAK [1d\]: k16 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: j17
Korea4K [2d\]: k16 sorry
barakeel [1d\]: i mean k16 j17
just9x9 [-\]: p19 then cunning
ZothOmmog [4k\]: j16
gryn [1k?\]: cunning q17 then p19
Cunning [3k\]: yep i saw it right away
SnackBar [2d\]: m19 doesn't work
Krokadel [3k\]: if k16 -  j17
gryn [1k?\]: black has no local life
meuns [2k\]: k16 j17 j16 h16 ?
just9x9 [-\]: but m19 could be precious sente later
meuns [2k\]: H17 captured
ZothOmmog [4k\]: h18
meuns [2k\]: hwang is suffering !
EPMAK [1d\]: b may scroll into left w's zone
meuns [2k\]: maybe breakfast is really strong ^^
meuns [2k\]: :D
zavion [2k?\]: :D
ZothOmmog [4k\]: D:
oddalot [7k\]: what is it?
Krokadel [3k\]: meuns: yea but be carifol about live for black group
Korea4K [2d\]: k16 
YukiStone [3k\]: why dont the high dans here comment
meuns [2k\]: k16 j17 j16 h16 and h17 is dead
YukiStone [3k\]: its ok to be wrong!
lazer [6d\]: Л16
EPMAK [1d\]: m.b. left B group ded?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: meuns maybe not
porkdog [6k\]: time left?
lazer [6d\]: K16 and B alive it seems
gryn [1k?\]: yuki they prefer to follow the adage: better to be silent and suspected a fool, than to speak and be known as one
YukiStone [3k\]: :))
Korea4K [2d\]: k16 anyway sente
ZothOmmog [4k\]: see? even if h17 dies, it gives life to p16
Ruzinus [5k?\]: us kyus on the other hand
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 7:21, b: 16:00 (in mins:secs)
ZothOmmog [4k\]: I say empty triangle is best
gryn [1k?\]: k16 j17 j16 h16 l17 l16 n16 l17 h18 
gryn [1k?\]: ruzi we have nothing to lose
Ruzinus [5k?\]: are wrong about go that we can speak freely, for if we get something wrong here, its not a big deal
Ruzinus [5k?\]: wrong so often*
gryn [1k?\]: to be a kyu is to be free :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i'm free!
Ruzinus [5k?\]: get back in your cage war!
ZothOmmog [4k\]: get back in dan gaol!
Muscadet [?\]: the sequence with k12 starting ends with a ko imo. so black has enough threats to live
gryn [1k?\]: war what should white do if k16 then? riddle us that.
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video feed continues here now
che [-\]: NOW this is broadcasted on Video stream
Korea4K [2d\]: i must go good luck for korean^^
gdghgjd [1d\]: Thank you for turning the camera :-)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: It's moved even :P
]
;B[fi]C[zavion [2k?\]: k12 j12 j11 j10 h11 g9 f10 f9 f11 j9 no ko i think
Ruzinus [5k?\]: !
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if k16 then j17 surely
Larrave [3k\]: black alive or dead
ally [1d?\]: where to see video?
gryn [1k?\]: war did you see my sequence, doesn't black capture white's stones then? (at least the m17 ones
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
che [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;W[jh]C[Ati [4d\]: J10
]
;B[jd]C[ally [1d?\]: thx!
]
;W[ic]
;B[id]C[mcw85 [7k\]: My link is better.
ZothOmmog [4k\]: see
]
;W[hd]
;B[hb]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: gryn, you missed an atari
gryn [1k?\]: oh i missed the atary at k16 so my sequence can't have the squeeze
gryn [1k?\]: yep
Warfreak2 [5d\]: in your sequence when white captures at l17, it's atari on two black stones
gryn [1k?\]: thanks :)
jjhhuu [4d\]: whos old fart :f
]
;W[ib]C[Cunning [3k\]: me!!!
]
;B[la]C[Lepenski [1k\]: f17
Gonzalate [2d\]: :D
Orc [4d\]: is the girl with a fan pro 2?
uhjgj: oh
uhjgj: great move
A1R [8k\]: no
Ranye [9k\]: ?
Cunning [3k\]: hmm
A1R [8k\]: 8k player
Cunning [3k\]: he makes eyes now?
jayantu [4k\]: no
LYB [1d\]: what if the girl digs her nose now?
Highwayman [1d\]: not yet
wikkawakka: Alex looks troubled
che [-\]: Can B still become pro?
Larrave [3k\]: where is in seongs girlfriend?XD
Cunning [3k\]: it's said "picks her nose" ;)
Lovepove [7k\]: How did the 5ps game end?
Hanne [3k\]: o2, no problem
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of board 2 on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
A1R [8k\]: he is 26
Larrave [3k\]: catalin lost
maligo [4d\]: the girl with fan is nice
bensenseii [-\]: B dead ?
Lovepove [7k\]: ok thanks larrave
che [-\]: by 13 points
Javaness [2d\]: hehe
]
;W[gc]C[Larrave [3k\]: didnt he gave up becoming a pro?
che [-\]: diner nervous
mcw85 [7k\]: Koreans need a default handicap/
meuns [2k\]: h17 captured !
gryn [1k?\]: black lives in gote now
wikkawakka: The way he goes to put a stone down then changes his mind would drive me nuts
Bheeshma [4k\]: who's the female with the fan?
Ruzinus [5k?\]: ....uh oh
Orc [4d\]: blk O19 live... has white still chance?
jjhhuu [4d\]: no
A1R [8k\]: a freind of in-seong
gryn [1k?\]: yes everyone let's concentrate on chasing tail.
bensenseii [-\]: Resign
A1R [8k\]: or more i dont know
]
;B[kd]
;W[kc]C[Lovepove [7k\]: Why isn't o19 for black life?
Jadeite [?\]: gryn, good idea :)
Violence [-\]: it is
gryn [1k?\]: love it is
boatlord [5d?\]: I think w still in contention, but a few points behind
Cunning [3k\]: b lives but w still ahead i think
]
;B[kg]C[barakeel [1d\]: gote life is bad
meuns [2k\]: now i like w
Lovepove [7k\]: ok gryn
]
;W[dg]C[Dreamland [3k?\]: gote life is better than sente death here
ZothOmmog [4k\]: o19 p19
Cunning [3k\]: rather live in gote than loseunconditionally
ZothOmmog [4k\]: then seki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of board 2 on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
jjhhuu [4d\]: alex is mad or something
gryn [1k?\]: cunning, i read that as live in gote than love unconditionally.
jayantu [4k\]: b is dead no ?
Larrave [3k\]: if you think like that you wont reach high dan;P
che [-\]: c8 good peep?
silver2k4 [5d\]: o19 f18 of course
Orc [4d\]: the chair seems to be too small for alex
Cunning [3k\]: love is better than winning a go match :D
zavion [2k?\]: liar!
Cunning [3k\]: i never lie
wikkawakka: the guy behind alex is smexy
CaesarJMD [3k\]: did taranu win or lose?
bensenseii [-\]: Victory is all that matters
zavion [2k?\]: u just did!
bensenseii [-\]: Taranu lost
Cunning [3k\]: love's the ultimate power
jayantu [4k\]: come help me 
bensenseii [-\]: Victory is all that matters
ZothOmmog [4k\]: why didnt b f18 after h16 or so?
jayantu [4k\]: is b dead or not
gryn [1k?\]: love makes self atari legal
Cunning [3k\]: love is victory
ZothOmmog [4k\]: that is the question
Fey [2d\]: b is alive
Orc [4d\]: blk is dead if white play 2 moves together
Fey [2d\]: in top right
]
;B[dh]C[gryn [1k?\]: black can die by winning a ko fight elsewhere
jayantu [4k\]: if white plays o 19
A1R [8k\]: with o18 for life
bensenseii [-\]: Go is all that matters. Well, there are other things in life, but they are gote and worth less than 10 points.
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b m14 and something on top are miai
jayantu [4k\]: yes i c
ZothOmmog [4k\]: white should f10
Violence [-\]: ok...
jayantu [4k\]: one eye at L 14
Violence [-\]: I think black's behind by around 5 points
]
;W[cg]C[Cunning [3k\]: bensenseii, that's very conserning xD
Rossco [4k\]: black behine?
watergun [-\]: catalin lost against an insei . b+13 :(
Violence [-\]: I think so, doing a count of the situation
A1R [8k\]: B WAS INSEI?
seppy [?\]: Have a question, how good are the amateurs that play the tournament  in Korea??
ZothOmmog [4k\]: what about w j9
gospiller [10k?\]: Oh, I see the game again after a while. W has turned the tables?
seppy [?\]:  i mean, among korean amateurs
zavion [2k?\]: is that rustysword ?
gdghgjd [1d\]: I do not count, because I totally failed at catalin's game
Orc [4d\]: I think they r insei and near pro strength
Violence [-\]: you should check the games of the recent Korean reps to the WAGC, seppy
zavion [2k?\]: in the background
Violence [-\]: and they can't be insei, Orc
Violence [-\]: Insei don't play in amateur championship games
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: don't thnk so zavion, isn't that oh chi-min?
silver2k4 [5d\]: oh chi min is rustysword
gryn [1k?\]: white has 78.5, black 70+?
zavion [2k?\]: yes rustysword = oh chi min
Orc [4d\]: they are ex insei, failed insei
gospiller [10k?\]: What about Catalins game?
watergun [-\]: insei had a big win. :(
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: person in back isn't oh chi-min
Violence [-\]: err... since they're Korean, I guess you mean Yeonggusaeng
zavion [2k?\]: ah ok t:)
asrai [7k\]: .
bensenseii [-\]: Yongusaeng
A1R [8k\]: -:-
ZothOmmog [4k\]: is that like a rusty trombone?
]
;B[dl]C[maligo [4d\]: w+0.5
Jocky [3d\]: Rushsword
YukiStone [3k\]: someone rush alex to the hospital after the match, he looks like he is about to have a nervous breakdown
Orc [4d\]: is the guy with glasses korean 5P?
watergun [-\]: we are counting on dinerchetein now..
seppy [?\]: but i mean among korean amateurs, how good are they?
A1R [8k\]: 7d ama
A1R [8k\]: orc
Orc [4d\]: ok thx A1r
watergun [-\]: most of then are korean inseis..
watergun [-\]: them*
A1R [8k\]: were
gryn [1k?\]: white won this game now no way to lose
gospiller [10k?\]: What about Catalins game?
fakesuji [3d\]: ex-younguseng u mean
bensenseii [-\]: Where's Oh Chi-Min's game ?
A1R [8k\]: catalin lost
watergun [-\]: yeah
IGoofy [1d\]: how many fans do they munch during a game ?
seppy [?\]: so top amateur players in korea?
derp [1k\]: what's the time situation?
A1R [8k\]: chi min lost too
gospiller [10k?\]: oh, thx
Javaness [2d\]: it's 4 years since In Seong was a trainee pro
Jocky [3d\]: guys tell me a good movei 2009
HighWisdom [14k\]: eh? i thought caitlin won B+13 or something?
Javaness [2d\]: maybe more even
Jocky [3d\]: pls pls
bensenseii [-\]: Catalin lost by 13
jayantu [4k\]: was caitlin white or black ?
Violence [-\]: haha, Java sticks to using an unambiguous term
HighWisdom [14k\]: black
bensenseii [-\]: W
HighWisdom [14k\]: eh?
jayantu [4k\]: black won the game
]
;W[el]
;B[ek]C[A1R [8k\]: wasnt he tv commentor?
]
;W[cm]C[Violence [-\]: High, Catalin lost
watergun [-\]: a big lost against an insei..
bensenseii [-\]: Catalin was W
Jocky [3d\]: guys tell me a good movei 2009 
Jocky [3d\]: guys tell me a good movei 2009 
Nak0r [4k\]: catalin was w
Jocky [3d\]: pls
HighWisdom [14k\]: oooh...the KGS game had him as B
Onmyoji [2d\]: no good movei
royalty [4d\]: jocky, tengen
Mandjames [5k\]: Against who played catalin ?
A1R [8k\]: eunkuk kim
bensenseii [-\]: Againts me
bensenseii [-\]: *against
Javaness [2d\]: look and see Mandjames
FreeDoom [1d\]: w win
watergun [-\]: our western pros don't even on par with their inseis.. :(
royalty [4d\]: w wins? really?
Dreamland [3k?\]: our western pros somehow have  a life also
Violence [-\]: Yongusaeng are strong
gryn [1k?\]: yes white has komi lead at least
che [-\]: game is very close
maligo [4d\]: w+0.5
maligo [4d\]: :)
Mandjames [5k\]: what is the website adress with the result
Javaness [2d\]: it was shown in eurogotv1
royalty [4d\]: i was under the impression that black was fairly ahead
Javaness [2d\]: just join his game
Doublewing [6k\]: simply E10 ?
Orc [4d\]: It looks blk ahead
Doublewing [6k\]: d10 ?
fakesuji [3d\]: im training in korea right now, and I can tell you that korean 7d ama can give canadian 5d 4 stones.  canadian 5d is stronger than aga or japan 5d.
Violence [-\]: I counted black behind by around 5 a while back, royal
che [-\]: royalty me too but then count
Violence [-\]: but I have to check it out again
gryn [1k?\]: mand, http://thefuture.com/2009/07/28/go/tournaments/egf/board2.sgf
mcw85 [7k\]: SE's grip on reality is shakey.
Ruzinus [5k?\]: I thought canada used AGA
Javaness [2d\]: the SE is using a different ruleset to this game
A1R [8k\]: but i think in-seong is 6d in korea like chi-min
fakesuji [3d\]: no, we dont use aga
mcw85 [7k\]: Not referring to ruleset as much as L&D
che [-\]: d9 only move?
gryn [1k?\]: how many points do you count B? I count about 70-75
Javaness [2d\]: do they actually have 7d amateurs in korea?
Javaness [2d\]: or do they just tell the western students that
maligo [4d\]: 78
fakesuji [3d\]: canadian 5d is like 5 or probably 6d aga.  2d canada 3-4d, i think..
Orc [4d\]: among yensei there is strong and weaks
royalty [4d\]: i sitll dont think white wins
Jocky [3d\]: guys need a movei 2009 ?
Jocky [3d\]: tell me
Onmyoji [2d\]: no thx
adoreme [-\]: they have 7dan in korea
zavion [2k?\]: hangover
royalty [4d\]: jocky, tengen
royalty [4d\]: tengen is always a good move
YukiStone [3k\]: d9, d10
hanen [-\]: i think they lie
jayantu [4k\]: w+25
maligo [4d\]: i have beaten 2 japan 6 dans and i am 3dan egf
hanen [-\]: they say, 7d "amateur" for show
CBlue [1k\]: afaik 6d is usual max, while kor 7d is for special achievements, verfy/falsify please?
fakesuji [3d\]: well egf 3d is like 6d in japan
Javaness [2d\]: yes, is 7d a special rank?
Orc [4d\]: jap 6dan = euro 3-4dan
wanda [1k\]: time left?
fumikazu [21k?\]: http://www.hikaruhoninbo.webs.com/
fakesuji [3d\]: i also beat a couple japanese 6d without a great deal of trouble, though im probably the same level u mentioned
Ati [4d\]: some Jappaness 6d very strong, some not
adoreme [-\]: 7d is no special rank
fakesuji [3d\]: yes im sure they are many very strong exceptions in japan
Cunning [3k\]: euro, do u mind telling how much time left?
fakesuji [3d\]: ...lol.
Javaness [2d\]: interesting
adoreme [-\]: their ama ranking system goes up to 7d
Violence [-\]: ok....
donzet [?\]: dan level in japan depends on top player in the go club
janwil [?\]: SE: W+121.5 :)
Fedoora [19k?\]: why do professional games end even though there are moves left?
Jocky [3d\]: cool HongOver 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: In The Netherlands you cannot get 7d unless you go abroad
Orc [4d\]: a jap 5d never win a game against me after more than 10 games
Violence [-\]: I think that Black is ahead by 3.5
Warfreak2 [5d\]: how long until we have a european pro go association?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: E.g. Rob van Zeijst
Orc [4d\]: im euro 4d
Onmyoji [2d\]: 2 weeks
fakesuji [3d\]: japanese 5d is like 2 maybe 3d kgs, probably ^^
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i'm euro 3d :>
CBlue [1k\]: guo juan in the netherlands should start one, warfreak^^
Nyrckes [1k\]: i am euro 2kyu
Javaness [2d\]: Europe needs big sponsor to get a pro system
Warfreak2 [5d\]: japanese 5d is not kgs 2d or 3d
bensenseii [-\]: I'm Euro 12k
bensenseii [-\]: And KGS 1k
EPMAK [1d\]: w is ahead by 2.5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Yes, it costs money to pay people to play fulltime
wanda [1k\]: Euro  - what`s time left?
YukiStone [3k\]: i know a japanese 5d and he does play at the 2-3 d level here
]
;B[dj]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: this tiger?
Ati [4d\]: e'
ben0 [5d\]: hum ??
Warfreak2 [5d\]: huh?
jayantu [4k\]: atari
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: can you hear the byoyomi?
nolimits [2d\]: ?
YukiStone [3k\]: f9....
Violence [-\]: geh
Ati [4d\]: ko
]
;W[fk]C[ally [1d?\]: wow
Violence [-\]: this...
]
;B[gk]C[yabyum [2k\]: who has better endgame? come on dans
Violence [-\]: what?
]
;W[dk]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: why tiger?
Nyrckes [1k\]: ups move by black :)
jayantu [4k\]: white wins
Warfreak2 [5d\]: solid connect was fine, no?
Violence [-\]: what was this!?
YukiStone [3k\]: solid connection then d10
A1R [8k\]: diner in byo yomi??
Violence [-\]: why D10 instead of D9?
YukiStone [3k\]: white had aji there
Mikki62 [2k\]: why not b d9???
fumikazu [21k?\]: http://www.hikaruhoninbo.webs.com/
]
;B[ch]C[maligo [4d\]: diner pissed
Warfreak2 [5d\]: ghmm
jayantu [4k\]: e 13
Lovepove [7k\]: b d9 makes the entire k5 group to live
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so Alex has entered byoyomi
Warfreak2 [5d\]: tiger better than solid connect?
jayantu [4k\]: but why? maligo
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 min byoyomi
Lovepove [7k\]: because white just takes at g9
]
;W[hi]C[maligo [4d\]: what why?
]
;B[fj]C[jayantu [4k\]: why pissed
Cunning [3k\]: e11 better :P
]
;W[eg]C[maligo [4d\]: cant you see his face...so red..
]
;B[fg]C[EPMAK [1d\]: diner wins yose
jayantu [4k\]: yes looks like
]
;W[cj]C[zavion [2k?\]: he is becoming dinersaurus!
A1R [8k\]: the cam is too slow
EPMAK [1d\]: good!
]
;B[di]C[Violence [-\]: I guess I have to recount
vroom [7k\]: is there a video stream?
GoBlonde [4k?\]: is this the final game or there be more?
jayantu [4k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
vroom [7k\]: thanks
gdghgjd [1d\]: They play for five hours now, is that right?
YukiStone [3k\]: well white gained
Ruzinus [5k?\]: more than
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 2.5 hours main time yes
A1R [8k\]: each
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 min byoyomi, so more than 5 hours
jayantu [4k\]: puuh
GoBlonde [4k?\]: i  missed it, was fun to watch?
RuF [2k\]: time left?
PooH [5k\]: can someone count whats the situation?
]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]C[bohica [5k\]: w ahead a little
bohica [5k\]: imho
GoBlonde [4k?\]: seems at first sight that White is agead
maligo [4d\]: t2
kitten85 [4k?\]: prima facie
gospiller [10k?\]: Has Pop played?
gornuf [19k\]: HEy did kim beat catalin? I had to leave and miss the end of the match
YukiStone [3k\]: j10
Violence [-\]: I'm getting white ahdead by like 5 pt
Ati [4d\]: black dis mistake in end game
Violence [-\]: ahead^
GoBlonde [4k?\]: simple question: is this the final game or there are more to be played?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: pop won
jayantu [4k\]: kgs w+44
k0n0 [?\]: after the large capture in the beginning, B enlarged his territory by 5 points only
damashii [5k\]: m14 sente
]
;W[lf]C[Violence [-\]: there are many rounds to the Euro Open, GoBlonde
watergun [-\]: pop/
gospiller [10k?\]: tx euro....
watergun [-\]: pop?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cristian
GoBlonde [4k?\]: thank you
SpenceR [?\]: b winnwing?
]
;B[pa]C[Cunning [3k\]: usually there are 5 rounds in tournaments
maligo [4d\]: gabriel
watergun [-\]: oh
Gonzalate [2d\]: do you know results of motoki , ilya and zhang yanqi ?
Highwayman [1d\]: this is the third game GoBlonde
jayantu [4k\]: yes
HighWisdom [14k\]: o19
dxxd [-\]: round 3 of 10
Bheeshma [4k\]: white ahead i gues?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: zhang has won
watergun [-\]: who did pop won agianst?
jayantu [4k\]: o 18 then
bensenseii [-\]: Yanqi won ?
watergun [-\]: does*
GoBlonde [4k?\]: did I guess right?  white ahead?
Gonzalate [2d\]: :) yeah!
Javaness [2d\]: look at the pairings
bensenseii [-\]: Cool.
jayantu [4k\]: w+44
]
;W[ij]
;B[ik]C[bensenseii [-\]: I wanna In-Seong to win
GoBlonde [4k?\]: i cant read websites at this time in the morning
bensenseii [-\]: No Hope i think
A1R [8k\]: yes me too
Cunning [3k\]: b12 looks big
GoBlonde [4k?\]: i hardly see the text here
YukiStone [3k\]: e15
swarn: w should get B12?
Onmyoji [2d\]: s8 
Violence [-\]: e9 feels huge to me
Onmyoji [2d\]: t1
Onmyoji [2d\]: 2
Cunning [3k\]: a12 
lemurov [-\]: s9 b's sente
EPMAK [1d\]: W wins about 10 pts
maligo [4d\]: f16
]
;W[pb]
;B[oa]C[YukiStone [3k\]: e15 looks better than f16
meuns [2k\]: w +10 ?
A1R [8k\]: doesnt live  the  upper group?
GoBlonde [4k?\]: only squirrels have 260 degrees view
jayantu [4k\]: f 16
Ati [4d\]: very close i think
A1R [8k\]: sry my fault
GoBlonde [4k?\]:  lol, i mean 360 
Babibo [1d\]: i bet w+2
]
;W[hs]C[jayantu [4k\]: w+20
Violence [-\]: jeez
Violence [-\]: this endgame is huge...
]
;B[fd]C[maligo [4d\]: s8
EPMAK [1d\]: W+10 (komi 6.5)
StoneDown [?\]: komi is 7.5
]
;W[fc]C[GoBlonde [4k?\]: i dont like much Dinner style , but hes awfully efficient
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: actually 8, but effectively 7.5
EPMAK [1d\]: W+5 ok
royalty [4d\]: no dinner etiquette
jayantu [4k\]: what is hisstyle like ?
]
;B[bh]C[Novalys [2k\]: so meuns, d'you still think b wins big ? :p
Ruzinus [5k?\]: look at the board.
Ruzinus [5k?\]: thats his style.
A1R [8k\]: cant b kill the w grouip on the lower right side?
YukiStone [3k\]: no
]
;W[bf]C[jayantu [4k\]: no
jayantu [4k\]: alive
A1R [8k\]: oh
GoBlonde [4k?\]: N + O = no
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w played in last second of byoyomi
Violence [-\]: C9!
]
;B[rk]C[jayantu [4k\]: nope - pe = NO
SnackBar [2d\]: t1
papamisha [2d\]: T2
SnackBar [2d\]: t2*
Babibo [1d\]: b9
jayantu [4k\]: T3 then
TheMagic [3k\]: only one period of byo-yomi?
]
;W[sr]C[jayantu [4k\]: yes good idead
StoneDown [?\]: yes
jayantu [4k\]: t2 !
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think b is in byoyomi too
Violence [-\]: c9!
]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, themagic
maligo [4d\]: a14
maligo [4d\]: :P
TheMagic [3k\]: ok
papamisha [2d\]: I think F16 is bigger than H1
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: afaik
GoBlonde [4k?\]: p16?
ally [1d?\]: b11
PooH [5k\]: b9
]
;B[fr]
;W[fs]C[jayantu [4k\]: black t2 before could havekilled the lower white group
YukiStone [3k\]: b9 fails
A1R [8k\]: why not ko on the right buttom
Babibo [1d\]: yep b9 fails...
Violence [-\]: jayantu, white can always connect to S10
PooH [5k\]: how?
Javaness [2d\]: b9 looks fine to me
BenjaminGl [12k\]: how about c9?
yabyum [2k\]: no ko t1 s1
YukiStone [3k\]: b9 b10
PooH [5k\]:  c9
maligo [4d\]: a10
Ati [4d\]: A10, e9
swarn: my biggest fear is that dinersteyn gets problems with clock like last egc 
]
;B[ak]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: b9 b10 a10 a11 a9 b11 c9 c8 a12 
YukiStone [3k\]: c8
GoBlonde [4k?\]: ATR, see basic life and death shapes in the Catalin Taranu website
YukiStone [3k\]: b9 b10 c9 c8
GoBlonde [4k?\]: or senseis library
]
;W[bk]C[jayantu [4k\]: stupid me yes
YukiStone [3k\]: 3 to 2, white wins
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yuki, why c9
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's your liberty
jayantu [4k\]: he can connect 
]
;B[ek]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: b9 works
Onmyoji [2d\]: b9 b10 a10 
]
;W[ck]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: but a9 is better b9 gives white c8 in sente
jayantu [4k\]: kgs w+36
Warfreak2 [5d\]: making this ko not as good for b
BenjaminGl [12k\]: e11?
siulongbao [7k\]: whites still winning ?
siulongbao [7k\]: how ? 
Violence [-\]: a11?
jayantu [4k\]: yes
YukiStone [3k\]: hm...would be ko ?
jayantu [4k\]: try kgs calcualtion
maligo [4d\]: w+alot
]
;B[cq]
;W[cr]C[jayantu [4k\]: +30
GoBlonde [4k?\]: look at SE and you'll see whos ahead
meuns [2k\]: w rules !
]
;B[ef]C[watergun [-\]: don't trust se. chinese rule.
bin7674 [9d\]: but black is better now?
]
;W[ee]C[meuns [2k\]: really ?
Rossco [4k\]: hmm I woulda thought black was ahead
Warfreak2 [5d\]: hi bin
meuns [2k\]: what is your count bin ?
jayantu [4k\]: cause he got a big white group
GoBlonde [4k?\]: SE can show you the areas, even it doesnt see whats alive or dead
Violence [-\]: White has too much....
Violence [-\]: White +5?
jayantu [4k\]: + 30 for w
che [-\]: w+2
bohica [5k\]: not +30 get real
]
;B[fe]C[YukiStone [3k\]: haha
Cunning [3k\]: + 40 white
jayantu [4k\]: yes
Onmyoji [2d\]: w+35
YukiStone [3k\]: so the consensus is, no one can count
YukiStone [3k\]: :)))))
jayantu [4k\]: lol
meuns [2k\]: bin can
jayantu [4k\]: thats why were not pros
Lovepove [7k\]: What is bigger, A10 or the ko?
meuns [2k\]: and he is thinking b is fine
]
;W[fk]C[Violence [-\]: I definitely think black has problems..
A1R [8k\]: c14?
GoBlonde [4k?\]: even with all right side for Black, W is 10 points ahead
Cunning [3k\]: b13 
]
;B[qj]C[mccrusty [2k\]: about w+5 i guess
Cunning [3k\]: w+40
jayantu [4k\]: +30 
]
;W[ri]C[XeHTau [1k?\]: i think its about 2-3 points
che [-\]: dont miss this is chinese rules which SE cant estimate
HighWisdom [14k\]: B needs the E9 ko to make life on the left
zambara [3k\]: B +15
Violence [-\]: it feels to me like W+5
jayantu [4k\]: w+30 my last word
mamutik [1d\]: is SE broken?
Onmyoji [2d\]: w+35
GoBlonde [4k?\]: of course, it is chine rules, you ppl are counting wrong
twold [2k\]: finally your last word
Cunning [3k\]: w+40 cause right corner lives
]
;B[ai]C[watergun [-\]: if w is 10 pts ahead, b could have right. correct me if i'm wrong.
jayantu [4k\]: w+40 - komi ?
mccrusty [2k\]: stop using SE you guys
EPMAK [1d\]: very close
YukiStone [3k\]: L1 is a thread
]
;W[al]C[SpenceR [?\]: w+10 or 15
GoBlonde [4k?\]: -- captured stones dont count - only area on the board
watergun [-\]: right=resigned*
Violence [-\]: jayantu, I will personally pay for KGS plus for you if you're even 10 points within the result
silver2k4 [5d\]: w+2
]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]C[mamutik [1d\]: I´m just wondering :)
EPMAK [1d\]: W+2.5
zavion [2k?\]: i dont see w ahead by much
jayantu [4k\]: hey great
silver2k4 [5d\]: or less
jayantu [4k\]: ok i say w +30
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: captured stones mean points missing on the board for that person
zavion [2k?\]: w+30 just cant be right ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so they do count, just not in the 'counting' ;)
jayantu [4k\]: violence if im wrong what do u want to have
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count w+35
meuns [2k\]: when i play a poor yose manually, i count w + 15 so
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: points being stones
Mukti [4d\]: B84 W83,5 wow....the ko must be decisive...
barakeel [1d\]: 70 fo wr white
Novalys [2k\]: humiliating loss for b
meuns [2k\]: w + 5 is probable
Onmyoji [2d\]: what w points did you forget jayantu
Violence [-\]: nothing, I'm just awesome like that
Rossco [4k\]: if it was that big a spread black would've resigned
ben0 [5d\]: b13 c
]
;B[bq]
;W[br]C[jayantu [4k\]: about 38 - komi
jayantu [4k\]: does kgs count komi too ?
meuns [2k\]: lol
EPMAK [1d\]: ko desides
watergun [-\]: chinese rule guys..
GoBlonde [4k?\]: Javantu, pay me KGS plus if you are wrong
twold [2k\]: you are seriously demented jayantu :-)
A1R [8k\]: its so close
Rossco [4k\]: isn't he Korean?
meuns [2k\]: chinese rules is about the same
twold [2k\]: how can you repeat something so wrong 10 times?
A1R [8k\]: jes
]
;B[ek]C[A1R [8k\]: yes
Javaness [2d\]: do not look at the score estimator
YukiStone [3k\]: L1
jayantu [4k\]: what did twold  say ?
Mukti [4d\]: My guess is if w wins the ko he wins the game, if b wins the ko it's up for grabs...
bohica [5k\]: Jayantu, a tip - change to Japanese rules if you are going to use SE.
]
;W[sk]C[Muscadet [?\]: jave - the k5 group is dead
]
;B[sl]
;W[sj]
;B[rl]C[maligo [4d\]: q8
barakeel [1d\]: w+2.5
maligo [4d\]: ko for seki
GoBlonde [4k?\]: bohica - is not Japanese rules here
Jocky [3d\]: ko
damashii [5k\]: t7 sente?
bohica [5k\]: No, but SE only works with Japanese
Warfreak2 [5d\]: t7 costs points
Cunning [3k\]: q8 r7 p8 makes seki
Warfreak2 [5d\]: black can s1 in sente at the moment
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think japanese counting and chinese counting don't deviate more than 1 point
Warfreak2 [5d\]: s1 t6
damashii [5k\]: because white could force a seki if he wins ko around m9
bohica [5k\]: And different rules give almost the same count
maligo [4d\]: ko for seki
Mukti [4d\]: ? now w makes a seki
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's better than t7 t6
YukiStone [3k\]: a10
meuns [2k\]: wow
]
;W[fk]C[Cunning [3k\]: ko how?
meuns [2k\]: q8 funny
maligo [4d\]: m9 
maligo [4d\]: ko
GoBlonde [4k?\]: SE doesnt care the game settings, works the only way it can
Violence [-\]: white has to have won now...
Mukti [4d\]: I do not get it, w can make a sente seki...
Cunning [3k\]: aah, indeed
]
;B[rs]C[jayantu [4k\]: no
Sar [5k\]: GoBlonde, that's not right
Nyrckes [1k\]: q8 r7 p8 ko for seki
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: in chinese counting, dame points are worth points
jayantu [4k\]: mukti
bohica [5k\]: GoBlonde test yourself, it DOES matter
jayantu [4k\]: m 10
zavion [2k?\]: i count w 75 with prisoned stones and b 85  so with komi i think b is ahead by only 3 points
donzet [?\]: in one game with the last ko tthe change was once 3points
ganesha4 [1k\]: W+0.5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so even the last dame point has to be played
]
;W[sn]C[GoBlonde [4k?\]: you cannot change SE rule settings
]
;B[ek]C[meuns [2k\]: w + 7 maybe
Violence [-\]: q8...
Violence [-\]: isn't that an issue?
kaly [2k\]: Q8 P8 isnt ko for seki ??
Sar [5k\]: yes you can
ganesha4 [1k\]: GoBlonde - view offline first
meuns [2k\]: yes violence
ganesha4 [1k\]: then change
meuns [2k\]: infinite threats
jayantu [4k\]: yes its ko for seki
Mukti [4d\]: w must have counted he cannot win the ko after making the seki at M10
BoGoss [2k\]: n16 
GoBlonde [4k?\]: that doesnt work
barakeel [1d\]: it(s not seki its ko
Warfreak2 [5d\]: q8 costs points to start the ko
Warfreak2 [5d\]: white will not play it if he is winning
meuns [2k\]: humm
kaly [2k\]: ok ^^
copyright [2d\]: q8 
Seb [-\]: q8 ?
]
;W[aj]C[ganesha4 [1k\]: seki?
meuns [2k\]: it costs 2 points
Cunning [3k\]: this is absurd, why do they fight over few points when w clearly wins with even less?
Violence [-\]: white judges optimistically
qwertu [1d?\]: m10
meuns [2k\]: E11 bigger
ganesha4 [1k\]: h8 captured
EPMAK [1d\]: w +2.5
qwertu [1d?\]: q8 is difficult to win I think
siulongbao [7k\]: how come white is + 25 according to kgs .. ?
swarn: q8?
Lovepove [7k\]: ingrules people
Violence [-\]: but it's still a hanami lp
Violence [-\]: ko^
bensenseii [-\]: Q8
GoBlonde [4k?\]: KGS never said + 25
]
;B[bg]C[Mukti [4d\]: Even if w would win otherwise, he would still want to play the ebst move, cunning -and so does black
]
;W[cf]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: if you start the q8 ko and lose it, you locally lost 2 and 2/3 points
yabyum [2k\]: but q8 is a seki, if white win the ko
siulongbao [7k\]: SE 
EPMAK [1d\]: estimator  lies
siulongbao [7k\]: cehck
che [-\]: a14 
meuns [2k\]: se looks not so bad
GoBlonde [4k?\]: you ppl need to elarn how to use KGS tools
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: until captured stones have been removed, the SE will be wrong I guess
Javaness [2d\]: The score estimator is using Japanese Rules, the game is using Ing Rules
bensenseii [-\]: Aw
Warfreak2 [5d\]: in fact 3 and 2/3 points
GoBlonde [4k?\]: learn *
bensenseii [-\]: Didn't see the ko
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: since every stone is a point on the board
]
;B[af]C[Violence [-\]: A14 is 3 pt
GoBlonde [4k?\]: learn first, talk later
jayantu [4k\]: estimator doesnt lie purposely
]
;W[ae]C[Jadeite [?\]: lmao
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you should not start such a ko unless you will win, or you can get a ko threat worth more than 4 points
crouik [?\]: the game relay should use AGA rules if the game is played using ing rules
YukiStone [3k\]: q8 time
]
;B[ag]
;W[fk]
;B[ad]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: white will not q8 if he is winning
Onmyoji [2d\]: what does it matter crouik?
]
;W[be]
;B[ek]C[kaly [2k\]: that's why i'm 2k, warfreak :)
jayantu [4k\]: black c 17 ?
Mukti [4d\]: I agree, b has too many threats for w to play for the ko-seki
]
;W[bi]C[YukiStone [3k\]: i see cause it costs him 2 pts?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: costs 3 and 2/3 points
Onmyoji [2d\]: ???
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if you lose the ko
Violence [-\]: ignore this?
siulongbao [7k\]: e11 ..
crouik [?\]: suicide is not allowed in chinese rules, but it is in AGA and ING. So it could stop the relay if set in the wrong way
Warfreak2 [5d\]: sorry, 4 and 2/3 in fact!
crouik [?\]: not aga, NZ sorry ;)
jayantu [4k\]: black c 17
Warfreak2 [5d\]: b gains two extra captures at q8 and p8, a territory at q8 
Warfreak2 [5d\]: that's 3 points
jayantu [4k\]: doesnt work ;(
]
;B[cc]
;W[bc]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: b also gains the m9 stone (one point) rather than it being a a ko worth 1/3, so an extra 2/3 points
GoBlonde [4k?\]: cant believe what they say, since when AGA rules allow suicide?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: finally, b gets k13 in sente for another point
crouik [?\]: sorry, I meant NZ
Jadeite [?\]: jayantu it's a ko threat
Warfreak2 [5d\]: another half point rather
barakeel [1d\]: no
Warfreak2 [5d\]: so it's 4 and 1/6
GoBlonde [4k?\]: you are confusing the new players
Javaness [2d\]: Ing is very close to chinese
GoBlonde [4k?\]: spreading misinformation
]
;B[ei]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: 5/13 points lost
Warfreak2 [5d\]: AGA rules do not allow suicide, only NZ
Violence [-\]: jeez
siulongbao [7k\]: wow 3p vs 7d just eralised
iancho [1d\]: Warfreak strutting his stuff.
crouik [?\]: sorry I made a mistake and admitted it, still I think NZ is a better ruleset to relay ING games
Violence [-\]: this is a really dynamic endgame...
Warfreak2 [5d\]: AGA or chinese are closest
leito [5k\]: who won in eurogotv 1?
Onmyoji [2d\]: b win
crouik [?\]: if such a suicide move is played during the tournament, the relay would not work :(
YukiStone [3k\]: j1
Warfreak2 [5d\]: crouik, ing rules do not allow suicide
]
;W[lj]C[A1R [8k\]: k13
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Kim Eunkuk won
Violence [-\]: whoa!
Violence [-\]: Now Q8?
crouik [?\]: Warfreak2: really? you should fix sensei page about it maybe
SnackBar [2d\]: R7
HighWisdom [14k\]: warfreak  - multiple stone suicide is allowed in ING
GoBlonde [4k?\]: crouk, please open a window for freah air, or go take a walk to the park
watergun [-\]: kim won by  13 pts..
]
;B[pl]C[Javaness [2d\]: which Ing Rules?
crouik [?\]: window is open, thanks
sutex [4k\]: is this the netherland stuff?
GoBlonde [4k?\]: :-)
]
;W[qa]C[YukiStone [3k\]: hm why not j1 first
GoBlonde [4k?\]: now W G2?
GoBlonde [4k?\]: and game is over
]
;B[ci]
;W[ah]C[bolbi [-\]: acoording to this page, ing allows suicide : http://www.britgo.org/rules/compare.html
]
;B[cb]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: strange
]
;W[bb]C[crouik [?\]: according to sensei's library too
YukiStone [3k\]: I dont get why not J1.....
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ing allows suicide
Babibo [1d\]: in AGA rules, is the referee allowed to suicide during the tournament ? 
crouik [?\]: hehe Babibo
]
;B[ai]C[alkar: J1 is gote :-)
crouik [?\]: EuroGoTV2: yes that's why it's probably better ro relay using the NZ KGS ruleset
ganesha4 [1k\]: j1 is bad
twold [2k\]: j1 g1 leads to ko, no?
]
;W[nb]C[GoBlonde [4k?\]: no J!, must be G1
Bheeshma [4k\]: what's suicide?
]
;B[na]C[YukiStone [3k\]: no
]
;W[ah]C[Violence [-\]: Whoa
Violence [-\]: what...
Violence [-\]: I just recounted
Warfreak2 [5d\]: twold, go back to the beginners' room - do not pass go
Violence [-\]: black's ahead by 3
]
;B[ss]C[Violence [-\]: when did this happen?!
Zairex [2k\]: how is j1 gote
]
;W[sq]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: because g1 throwin
crouik [?\]:  Bheeshma: see http://senseis.xmp.net/?Suicide
silver2k4 [5d\]: g1 after j1 is nothing
GoBlonde [4k?\]: now Q1 works
twold [2k\]: huh, warfreak?
Bheeshma [4k\]: thx
A1R [8k\]: L19
A1R [8k\]: ?
]
;B[ai]C[Mukti [4d\]: j1 - b take, w must come nback, so gote
]
;W[bj]C[bensenseii [-\]: J1 big threat
GoBlonde [4k?\]: J1 is bad
]
;B[jj]C[Mukti [4d\]: j1 is not a threat, it is gote
YukiStone [3k\]: j1 is not bad it just ends in gote
bensenseii [-\]: Yes it's gote
SnackBar [2d\]: j1 g1 g2 h2 
GoBlonde [4k?\]: ends in Gote at Yose = BAD
XeHTau [1k?\]: b + 1
Zairex [2k\]: but j1 works as threat?
Onmyoji [2d\]: b+0.5
royalty [4d\]: not if it's big enough gote
bensenseii [-\]: I never play yose
bensenseii [-\]: Resign before
Violence [-\]: j1 is gote 1 pt
isbhal [-\]: .K?.
SnackBar [2d\]: no j1 doesn't work 
Violence [-\]: it's pretty small
bensenseii [-\]: Or win before
jayantu [4k\]: what to do now 
SnackBar [2d\]: g1 was a threat
]
;W[ka]C[GoBlonde [4k?\]: of course this is not big enough gote
Mukti [4d\]: No, even if b does not answer, w cannot do anything
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: there's also parity, goblonde
isbhal [-\]: ^^
royalty [4d\]: party time?
bensenseii [-\]: Snackbar you're saying something idiot =D
indianayk [5d\]: b should have played l19 first
SnackBar [2d\]: hééé ><
Violence [-\]: hmmm...
Bheeshma [4k\]: suicide takes up an extra move?
siulongbao [7k\]: white win ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: getting the last 'something' is good
SnackBar [2d\]: j'ai dis quoi d'idiot :(
]
;B[is]
;W[gs]C[bensenseii [-\]: Que G1 était une menace
bensenseii [-\]: 7>.>
GoBlonde [4k?\]: haha
CBlue [1k\]: w+0.5?
Onmyoji [2d\]: b win
yithril [2d\]: wow this just went on and on i see
StormZ [?\]: hasnt this game been going on for 5 hours?
Zairex [2k\]: i still think j1 would work as threat. because if b tenuki, then white can save l2 because g1 doesnt work for black because he cannot approach
damashii [5k\]: j11 is good
siulongbao [7k\]: how can white lose soo badly .. if hes 3p
SnackBar [2d\]: j'ai jamais dis ça :x
]
;B[ii]
;W[ih]C[SnackBar [2d\]: sujet clos
Warfreak2 [5d\]: h2 still a point
Rossco [4k\]: it's not badly
Mukti [4d\]: True, Zairex, 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: started at 10:00, so 5:39
Violence [-\]: Every time I count
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 6 hours in 20 mins
Violence [-\]: I get B+3.5
XeHTau [1k?\]: h2 -1 point
monk316 [1k\]: n16
watergun [-\]: he's an honorary 3p. don't be too hrad on him.
]
;B[hr]C[watergun [-\]: *hard.
gdghgjd [1d\]: did you get lunch eurogotv2?
]
;W[ij]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no
Onmyoji [2d\]: :(
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nonstop game
Warfreak2 [5d\]: unfair to have lunch in front of the players
HVAA001 [3k\]: any komi?
jayantu [4k\]: SE fooled me
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they could've called for a lunch break though, with a sealed move
Violence [-\]: thanks for your hard work, Relayers
]
;B[ah]
;W[ii]C[lonsan [1k\]: yes, thank you
]
;B[me]C[Javaness [2d\]: *hugs eurogotv2*
]
;W[bd]C[watergun [-\]: thanks.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: :>
HVAA001 [3k\]: any handicap?
]
;B[gr]
;W[es]C[siulongbao [7k\]: tell me hu wins
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the eurogotv chaps are cool dudes indeed
YukiStone [3k\]: white needs k19
siulongbao [7k\]: and whats a honourary pro ?
copyright [2d\]: k7 ?
YukiStone [3k\]: ?
]
;B[db]C[BenjaminGl [12k\]: a pro thats not
Javaness [2d\]: K7 too slow isnt it?
]
;W[gb]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: g19
Larrave [3k\]: wow
Warfreak2 [5d\]: uh, g18 i mean, yes
Larrave [3k\]: you saw that face of alex after d18^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: haha
Mukti [4d\]: w trick move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of board 2 on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[md]C[Mukti [4d\]: b I mean
]
;W[je]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: scare tactics?
]
;B[jg]C[yithril [2d\]: did catalin resign?
]
;W[qm]C[BenjaminGl [12k\]: what face?
]
;B[eh]C[A1R [8k\]: no
Violence [-\]: Well, I mean, when you do a lot of tesuji books
]
;W[sm]
;B[lg]C[Violence [-\]: you see the situation at the top quite often
Violence [-\]: or things similar to it
siulongbao [7k\]: b19 ?
watergun [-\]: a pro title that's given to western players in order to promote go in western countries.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: not a trick i think
Violence [-\]: so it's pretty scary
EPMAK [1d\]: W Win!!!
Rossco [4k\]: no he did not resign
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: last dame point played
kiddai [6k?\]: if u watched the live tv broadcast then u would've seen his face
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so end of game
BenjaminGl [12k\]: how'd it look?
Violence [-\]: I think black's slightly ahead
Warfreak2 [5d\]: hmmm
isbhal [-\]: pass*
XeHTau [1k?\]: b+1
donzet [?\]: black +10,5
ViandoX [10k?\]: B+0.5
Rossco [4k\]: too many captures I think b ahead barely
Hegel [2k\]: w+50.5
Hegel [2k\]: :p
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: White plays 4 stones in black's territory for the 8 komi
Reym: i count w+2
siulongbao [7k\]: lol haha
Violence [-\]: This is a ridiculously close game
EPMAK [1d\]: W=2.5
GoBlonde [4k?\]: captures doesnt count for chinese rules
Warfreak2 [5d\]: white should defend simply because it doesn't cost a point :>
YukiStone [3k\]: w +13.5
isbhal [-\]: lol
barakeel [1d\]: b+1.5
siulongbao [7k\]: w + 50.5 /
siulongbao [7k\]: ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: captures can be ignored from this point since there's exactly 180 stones for each
noned [2d\]: komi 8?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 8 komi yes
siulongbao [7k\]: wats the final score ?
siulongbao [7k\]: 50.5 ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not done yet
Gleb81 [4k?\]: w+5
Kangee [3k\]: b+1.5
Violence [-\]: yes, it's clearly 50.5
siulongbao [7k\]: why not w+50.5 ?!?
jamt [?\]: w+2
Violence [-\]: just looking at the board
monk316 [1k\]: where else is there to play?
siulongbao [7k\]: SE is ALWAYS correct
Violence [-\]: it's so obviously 50.5
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 point
lonsan [1k\]: yeah, no way that m19 can live
Mukti [4d\]: does b win by 0,5?
Reym: tiem for the alling under the table stone tesuji
BenjaminGl [12k\]: wow SE sucks
murai [3d\]: where can we see the results
murai [3d\]: ?
siulongbao [7k\]: i say b + 3.5
A1R [8k\]: ??
watergun [-\]: don't trust se..
Verti4go: B +5
MoogleOo [-\]: Euro who win?
seppy [?\]: b+1?
ally [1d?\]: who wins?
siulongbao [7k\]: lol wat did i do ?
Violence [-\]: B+1.5...
Rossco [4k\]: wat happened
BenjaminGl [12k\]: It thinks o16 is dead
Sar [5k\]: b+1
Onmyoji [2d\]: b winn
Doing [1d\]: white wins
Larrave [3k\]: ^^
seppy [?\]: eurogo result?
Rossco [4k\]: by 1?
Highwayman [1d\]: B + 1
Violence [-\]: what a crazy game
kiddai [6k?\]: wow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+1
A1R [8k\]: oh
BoGoss [2k\]: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Reym: wow
StefanRadu [1d?\]: =))
Orc [4d\]: oh dear
play234 [-\]: gg
zavion [2k?\]: *applause*
Jocky [3d\]: :::))))))))))))))))
Warfreak2 [5d\]: poor dinerchtein
siulongbao [7k\]: B +1 ?
nhc [1d\]: gg
siulongbao [7k\]: wow nice
kiddai [6k?\]: gg
che [-\]: !!!
A1R [8k\]: yes
siulongbao [7k\]: very close
lonsan [1k\]: thanks again eurogotv
leito [5k\]: B+1.5
jamt [?\]: oh, damn, missed 3 points ^_^;
siulongbao [7k\]: a long game
Javaness [2d\]: can you use the score tool perhaps to show everyone?
siulongbao [7k\]: but finalyl finished
chicane [2k\]: how about komi?
murai [3d\]: where can we see the results of preceding rounds ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black wins with 1 point
watergun [-\]: err.. our 2 western pros lost to korean inseis :(
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