(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 3 round 3]PW[Oh Chi-Min]PB[Kim Joon Sang]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-28]EV[Main]RO[3]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[KR]BT[KR]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[qp]
;W[dp]
;B[fq]
;W[hq]
;B[oq]
;W[qj]C[Poney [2k\]: gogogo chi min
ProGoVerb [5k\]: chi min rusty sword?
]
;B[fc]C[goomikko [1k\]: yes
]
;W[hc]C[holynec [?\]: yeah, he said he's gonna win the whole thing :o
ProGoVerb [5k\]: rusty is pretty good but my bet is catalin or alexandre
TeeSushi [2d\]: he got some good chances but i dont know kim joon sang and eunkuk kim ... if he is stronger than them i guess he will win
]
;B[cn]
;W[fp]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: all games even right?
]
;B[cq]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: yes
]
;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[ep]C[StormZ [?\]: so is this going on live atm somewhere?
]
;B[fr]
;W[bp]
;B[bq]
;W[dm]C[ProGoVerb [5k\]: www.eurogotv.com
Oloril [1k\]: rusty is a boss, I have no doubts
TeeSushi [2d\]: but only board 1
OneLuck [2d\]: wuuu goodp aires
OneLuck [2d\]: paires
ProGoVerb [5k\]: catalin didnt show up T_T
TeeSushi [2d\]: well he still got time ^^
MssrBlanc [3k\]: So, is "Oh Chi-Min" what we'd call Ho Chi MIn in english?
]
;B[cf]
;W[fd]
;B[dj]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: sorry, is it the same name as what we call "Ho Chi Min"
]
;W[cm]
;B[cc]
;W[cd]
;B[dc]C[Javaness [2d\]: no
Reym: can we say that black fuseki is better already?
]
;W[ed]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: no ... well i cant at least ... gotta ask some pros xD
horacelamb [4d\]: yeah seems even at first glance
ProGoVerb [5k\]: black my favourite so far
]
;B[fb]
;W[bd]
;B[bc]C[maligo [4d\]: w seems to be ahead
]
;W[gd]C[Nineball [2d\]: oh chi-min ftw! =D
yithril [2d\]: directly defend?
yithril [2d\]: d12 seems like a "meh" move
OneLuck [2d\]: hmm
OneLuck [2d\]: white is playing so slowly
StormZ [?\]: is black's moves to take the corner good or not?
StormZ [?\]: it seems to give him really little trritory =\\
]
;B[bk]C[OneLuck [2d\]: she is gonna have a hard time
yithril [2d\]: hmm
yithril [2d\]: okay but ....
OneLuck [2d\]: really what does white have now?
yithril [2d\]: I don't feel black strengthens himself like this
holynec [?\]: lot of influene
holynec [?\]: :\]
OneLuck [2d\]: hmm how to attack
MssrBlanc [3k\]: I've always heard that black is happy with these two pincers, but the trick is to not panic about W's influence
]
;W[ch]C[yithril [2d\]: yeah just invade
che [-\]: its more seperate than invade
yithril [2d\]: directly cover, e 12 to build outside and let the stone die but have to go back and defend
yithril [2d\]: invasions can seperate :)
]
;B[bm]C[che [-\]: ok
MilanChe [-\]: hi che
che [-\]: to me d4 / d7 formation looks somehow overconcentrated
che [-\]: Che MilanChe
che [-\]: b has three safe corners and will live on the left hand side for sure
]
;W[dn]
;B[dh]
;W[cg]
;B[dg]
;W[bf]
;B[ci]
;W[ei]
;B[bi]
;W[bg]C[Poney [2k\]: left hand side is worth nothing
]
;B[ej]
;W[fi]C[OneLuck [2d\]: black seems so much ahead
OneLuck [2d\]: f10
MadScience [6k\]: F13?
che [-\]: or +g9 
Poney [2k\]: g-9 lacks pressure on w
Poney [2k\]: F10 makes D11 cut almost impossible
che [-\]: how  pressure on w when w is strong here
holynec [?\]: white going for the early KO?
Poney [2k\]: F11 is not connected yet
che [-\]: d11 cut gote and not too important
]
;B[fj]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: I like w
OneLuck [2d\]: if white was a real pro she would resign now
holynec [?\]: isnt white a male
yithril [2d\]: wow....
tsuchigumo [-\]: Rubbish
Poney [2k\]: oh che : /
]
;W[gi]C[che [-\]: oh poney
OneLuck [2d\]: no holy
holynec [?\]: tsuchigumo, do you have other accounts here? :K
OneLuck [2d\]: g10
]
;B[di]C[che [-\]: hm
tsuchigumo [-\]: A couple
Poney [2k\]: not important he che ?
holynec [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?OhChiMin
Poney [2k\]: now G11 is endangered
holynec [?\]: appears to be a he, OneLuck
Poney [2k\]: G10 probably
che [-\]: on abstract level w is female but here w is male
Poney [2k\]: Getting ahead is worth a lot
che [-\]: g10
OneLuck [2d\]: hmm who is the 7d girl player then?
]
;W[bn]C[OneLuck [2d\]: or was I just imagining everything? Oh always sounds like a girl's name
OneLuck [2d\]: wow
OneLuck [2d\]: white is playing sooo slowly
]
;B[hk]
;W[ii]
;B[jk]C[Aldor [2d\]: with slowly?
OneLuck [2d\]: O16
Aldor [2d\]: why slowly?
OneLuck [2d\]: that is what I am asking
Aldor [2d\]: where do you see slow moves^^?
OneLuck [2d\]: everywhere
]
;W[ki]C[OneLuck [2d\]: like every 5th move
]
;B[ql]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: they arent slow ... they arent moving at all to be correct
Aldor [2d\]: you play too much on kgs xD
]
;W[qf]
;B[nc]C[che [-\]: This game is so much too complicated for me. I cannot estimate how much their moves are worth....
]
;W[rd]C[che [-\]: so weak
]
;B[kc]C[OneLuck [2d\]: L17
OneLuck [2d\]: ooh I was right
OneLuck [2d\]: I should play some lotto
gdghgjd [1d\]: very hard to make territory for white
MadScience [6k\]: M3?
Poney [2k\]: q10
Poney [2k\]: q12**
]
;W[lk]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: like it
]
;B[kp]C[MadScience [6k\]: L4 better than L3?
Poney [2k\]: w will r6 soon
Aldor [2d\]: fight incoming
maligo [4d\]: seems like b is gonna win
Nyrckes [1k\]: i think white m9 should have been around l4, but what does 1kyu know :)
derp [1k\]: b should save some territory for w
maligo [4d\]: w needs to invade
qwan [2k\]: g4 
maligo [4d\]: g4=resign
maligo [4d\]: for w
qwan [2k\]: g4 for b
OneLuck [2d\]: yeah if white now playes g4 i am gonna laugh my ass off
Poney [2k\]: W can S4 probe 
Poney [2k\]: or R6 directly
tsuchigumo [-\]: j5?
]
;W[qo]C[maligo [4d\]: yeah...
maligo [4d\]: invasion
maligo [4d\]: :)
Poney [2k\]: R5 funny move
che [-\]: does b have a kgs-id?
kacago [4k\]: b is 3d ok kgs
]
;B[po]
;W[qn]
;B[pp]C[FunGoSage [3k\]: instead of q5, i think q4 was better
Poney [2k\]: its often bad to draw back :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: I am curious as to how w will counter g4 if it comes
z21cnf [1d\]: 4g too big
FunGoSage [3k\]: oh i c what u mean, poney
che [-\]: nice right side for w?
]
;W[pn]
;B[pj]C[z21cnf [1d\]: no sure
Fedoora [18k?\]: how long play?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: both players 2:03 left
z21cnf [1d\]: w will play 11r
]
;W[pl]C[Poney [2k\]: cool shape
tsuchigumo [-\]: m9 shining brightly
]
;B[pk]
;W[qk]
;B[ol]
;W[pm]
;B[qi]
;W[rl]
;B[ri]C[Novalys [2k\]: r17 or cut first ?
]
;W[sk]C[che [-\]: cut first think later
]
;B[qc]C[che [-\]: now 4 corners
]
;W[pe]C[Easytude [8k\]: lots of cash
Easytude [8k\]: for B
]
;B[pg]C[Novalys [2k\]: p16
]
;W[oe]C[che [-\]: this game feels like w is under pressure the whole time
]
;B[ng]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[mf]C[malaczarna [4d\]: black is in danger all over the board
Fedoora [18k?\]: anyone here from england?
z21cnf [1d\]: w loss
BADMIN [2d?\]: who is this black player?
]
;B[md]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: are they playing over the internet or are they playing face to face and this is just a representation on gokgs?
njgop [4k\]: white should resign now
]
;W[oc]
;B[ob]C[gdghgjd [1d\]: face to face
Fedoora [18k?\]: cheers
]
;W[pb]
;B[od]
;W[qb]C[che [-\]: broadcast from http://egc2009.nl/
]
;B[ra]
;W[ne]
;B[pc]
;W[oh]
;B[og]
;W[ok]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: thanks
che [-\]: b has to give up s few herer?
]
;B[lh]
;W[pi]C[primetica1 [10k\]: black lose
BADMIN [2d?\]: white has to kill, but he might be able to do it
]
;B[oj]C[njgop [4k\]: as long as black save a little here, black wins
che [-\]: o10 only  move after plaing  p9 ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: what does their time usage say?
njgop [4k\]: because black has 4 corners
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:45 left, black 1:37
che [-\]: so muxh time....
che [-\]: *much
]
;W[nj]
;B[nk]
;W[oi]
;B[ok]
;W[ni]
;B[mg]
;W[li]
;B[lf]
;W[qg]
;B[gp]C[njgop [4k\]: black wins
tsuchigumo [-\]: ah, now we will see
]
;W[kq]C[che [-\]: later e can catch p9 
tsuchigumo [-\]: w had this prepared obviously
veteran [1d\]: W winning
veteran [1d\]: right side big
che [-\]: 4 corners ----> w wins
veteran [1d\]: B ok
veteran [1d\]: except dango
]
;B[jq]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: dango?
tsuchigumo [-\]: this looks like critical fight, board pretty much settled elsewehere
]
;W[jp]
;B[jr]C[veteran [1d\]: 6 stones on midright Fedoora
]
;W[kr]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: the shape
veteran [1d\]: look dead
]
;B[jo]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: sure
veteran [1d\]: this battle crucial
veteran [1d\]: W will live
]
;W[ip]C[veteran [1d\]: but B may do ok
tsuchigumo [-\]: j1
veteran [1d\]: perhaps j4
]
;B[is]C[veteran [1d\]: j1 it is
]
;W[gq]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: very tricky position as b group on left not 100 per cent alive if cut
]
;B[io]
;W[ir]C[Novalys [2k\]: p9 dead now ^^
Tobamf [20k?\]: blacks mistake was to take 4 corners
Novalys [2k\]: it was just to play against chi min
]
;B[hs]
;W[ko]
;B[lp]
;W[lo]C[Aldor [2d\]: N5?
tsuchigumo [-\]: still tricky w might have m1 ko
Novalys [2k\]: how ko ?
Novalys [2k\]: M1 K1 then what ?
zizu [1d?\]: ladder
tsuchigumo [-\]: after n5 i mean
Fedoora [18k?\]: o5?
Fedoora [18k?\]: forget it
gdghgjd [1d\]: how can white win after black n4?
Fedoora [18k?\]: (aside)i meant to say o4, 
tsuchigumo [-\]: n4 then i guess h5, h6, g6
Lovepove [7k\]: oooh
Lovepove [7k\]: p7 for white?
Falkbeer [1d\]: p7 is ugly
Aldor [2d\]: if b N4 the whole center is in danger
]
;B[mo]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: great fight
ben0 [5d\]: m1 ?
maligo [4d\]: m1 ko
zhiwei [8k?\]: m4
ben0 [5d\]: yes
zhiwei [8k?\]: n4*
TeeSushi [2d\]: m1 is ko yes ... but i guess b knows this
]
;W[ls]C[ben0 [5d\]: :)
maligo [4d\]: m3
che [-\]: waahh
ben0 [5d\]: maybe black didn't see :)
z21cnf [1d\]: b not satisfactory to both sides
holynec [?\]: p1 too!
]
;B[lq]C[Novalys [2k\]: b takesthe ko first  /
Novalys [2k\]: w better have some threats
maligo [4d\]: e17
che [-\]: big ko
che [-\]: maybe create more threats first?
gdghgjd [1d\]: black can avoid ko
Novalys [2k\]: how so ?
gdghgjd [1d\]: k1, L2
gdghgjd [1d\]: M2, sorry
Novalys [2k\]: Ah .. playing twice in a row you mean ?
k0n0 [?\]: no, W no eyes
gdghgjd [1d\]: w k1, b L2, w j3, b h5
Lovepove [7k\]: then w g1
gdghgjd [1d\]: g1 doesn't make second eye
Novalys [2k\]: tnen b h1
gdghgjd [1d\]: h1?
]
;W[ho]C[Falkbeer [1d\]: but g2 makes second eye
Novalys [2k\]: g2 g1 f1 e1 h2 f1 e3 
gdghgjd [1d\]: falkbeer is right
Novalys [2k\]: ;)
tsuchigumo [-\]: using ladder as threats
]
;B[lr]C[njgop [4k\]: I don't understand why black plays like this, can win easily if stabilize the r11 group very early on
Babibo [1d\]: since w can live, why does'nt he start the ko  ?
]
;W[mn]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: so white gets h5 and n6
Aldor [2d\]: the ko is not enought
Aldor [2d\]: white want center
StefanRadu [1d?\]: cosmic game.
]
;B[nn]C[Aldor [2d\]: lol.
]
;W[no]
;B[mp]
;W[mm]
;B[nm]
;W[ml]
;B[oo]C[Novalys [2k\]: now w kills ?
ben0 [5d\]: seems possible :)
Novalys [2k\]: especially with chi min ^^
copyright [2d\]: g10 
Novalys [2k\]: f8 or b8
StefanRadu [1d?\]: f8
holynec [?\]: black is confident
holynec [?\]: ...
]
;W[bl]
;B[ck]C[Fedoora [18k?\]: white has to join at o5 to kill?
]
;W[il]C[Falkbeer [1d\]: I don't understand your question, but probably he doesn't have to
Fedoora [18k?\]: well if w goes top7 then black goes to o8
]
;B[fl]C[Mukti [4d\]: How is b going to make a second eye here?
Falkbeer [1d\]: yes fedoora, b is connected
Fedoora [18k?\]: thanks
Falkbeer [1d\]: w can't kill p9 stones
Fedoora [18k?\]: i'm not a confident reader, as yet
]
;W[gk]
;B[gj]
;W[hj]C[Babibo [1d\]: h8 lives
Falkbeer [1d\]: I think I see two eyes
Falkbeer [1d\]: weird
che [-\]: h8 is gote though
geruempel [3k\]: one usually dies in sente ;-)
nyri [4k\]: But 80-90 points in gote is still quite good.
Babibo [1d\]: in terms of sure territory, b is ahead even if w takes j9 and b lives
Babibo [1d\]: like +10
geruempel [3k\]: one has all the corners ...so black should resign ....
]
;B[ij]C[BattleCrui [4k\]: can black tenuki? c8 or h8 miai for life?
]
;W[hi]
;B[hl]
;W[ik]
;B[hm]
;W[ke]
;B[kf]C[Mukti [4d\]: what is white planning here?
Babibo [1d\]: trying to find the 10 missing points
BADMIN [2d?\]: W can't win this anymore
]
;W[je]
;B[le]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]
;W[sp]
;B[sq]
;W[so]
;B[rq]C[Novalys [2k\]: a17 ?
Novalys [2k\]: j7 is big too.
Ameise [2d\]: j7 doesn't work
]
;W[kd]
;B[lc]
;W[jc]
;B[jm]
;W[jj]C[Novalys [2k\]: what doesn't "work"
Novalys [2k\]: wasn't j7 big for w ?
tsuchigumo [-\]: All went pear-shaped at the bottom
Ameise [2d\]: it doesn't capture anything, its small
Novalys [2k\]: it captured K5 and made pts in this area
Ameise [2d\]: no
]
;B[jl]C[Novalys [2k\]: what's your answer to free K5 ?
Novalys [2k\]: (except "no")
]
;W[nl]C[Ameise [2d\]: j7 h6 j6 k6 
]
;B[om]
;W[on]C[artem92 [7d\]: Chi-Min lost..
]
;B[np]
;W[mk]
;B[no]C[artem92 [7d\]: this black is really good
Ameise [2d\]: i cloned the ganme in egr
Novalys [2k\]: ameise... k6 and w takes J10
Novalys [2k\]: k6 k7 l6 m6 
Ameise [2d\]: come to my game
CaesarJMD [3k\]: ameise is right
]
;W[gb]C[Pylon [2k\]: artem, why didnt you participate?
Ameise [2d\]: no, he is not
Fedoora [18k?\]: ?
]
;B[ec]
;W[jb]
;B[fn]C[Novalys [2k\]: w will resign
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go rusty :>
OneLuck [2d\]: rusty is rusty
]
;W[gn]
;B[hn]
;W[fo]
;B[gm]
;W[go]
;B[ef]C[Novalys [2k\]: i'd have loved chi min to win :x
Novalys [2k\]: are the players who lose eliminated ?
]
;W[fg]C[k0n0 [?\]: no, they can still live
XeHTau [1k?\]: yes
Novalys [2k\]: lol kono
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: both players 0:57 times left
]
;B[jf]C[A1R [8k\]: ok thx
]
;W[if]
;B[qd]
;W[qe]
;B[sc]
;W[nd]
;B[oc]C[gdghgjd [1d\]: b+5
]
;W[re]
;B[kb]C[Novalys [2k\]: a3 ?
]
;W[ka]
;B[la]
;W[ja]C[veteran [1d\]: n18m honte
veteran [1d\]: n18
derp [1k\]: n17 better?
]
;B[me]C[veteran [1d\]: W can m16 n15 then n18
veteran [1d\]: not now
veteran [1d\]: a3 is big though
]
;W[jg]
;B[ff]
;W[gf]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]
;B[gg]
;W[he]
;B[fh]
;W[hg]
;B[cl]
;W[am]
;B[gh]
;W[eh]
;B[eg]
;W[sb]
;B[km]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]
;W[ad]
;B[ba]
;W[ln]
;B[ce]
;W[be]
;B[en]
;W[el]C[curacao [5k\]: thx
]
;B[ek]
;W[hh]
;B[fg]
;W[ph]
;B[kh]
;W[jh]
;B[nf]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
;B[br]
;W[kk]
;B[gc]
;W[hb]
;B[im]
;W[ij]
;B[ak]
;W[al]
;B[kg]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[gr]
;B[gs]
;W[ld]
;B[mb]
;W[eo]
;B[dl]
;W[em]
;B[fm]
;W[ah]
;B[hr]
;W[ai]
;B[iq]
;W[hp]
;B[kn]
;W[fa]
;B[ea]
;W[ga]
;B[aj]
;W[bh]
;B[sa]
;W[mh]
;B[nh]
;W[mi]
;B[pa]
;W[sd]
;B[qa]C[dakin [6d\]: white lose
]
;W[sb]
;B[df]
;W[sc]C[fantastigo [1d\]: is this game officially finished
Aldor [2d\]: how much komi?
Arhiman [3k\]: 7.5
Aldor [2d\]: hmm so w wins?
Chilltime [2k\]: Black won this game?
mcw85 [7k\]: Seems white loses/
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: B+6.5
Javaness [2d\]: thanks eurogotv3
])