(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 4 board 3]PW[Dmytro Bogackij]PB[Motoki Noguchi]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2009-07-30]EV[main]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[UA]BT[FR]C[ExplO [3d?\]: allez motoki
]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[cd]
;W[pp]
;B[qn]
;W[pk]C[ebola [11k\]: why q9?
Chilltime [2k\]: why not?
TKo [1k?\]: same question here :D
timloupuce [5k\]: il a dejà perdu motoki non?
FlohGo [1k\]: b 6d i think
Violence [-\]: oh wow...
TKo [1k?\]: maybe weird for high kyu to play so high and so far away
holynec [?\]: allez motoki!
]
;B[nq]C[ebola [11k\]: p5 only
Violence [-\]: Eurogotv3, do you have the sufficient micro for two boards? If so, props for that
]
;W[pn]C[Javaness [2d\]: vive la france
TKo [1k?\]: many play p6
Javaness [2d\]: Q5
Uberdude [4d?\]: p6 is favourite of bao yun
holynec [?\]: yep
ebola [11k\]: why
holynec [?\]: another joseki
holynec [?\]: more modern i think too
TKo [1k?\]: who is bao yun?
Violence [-\]: unknownplr on KGS
ebola [11k\]: q5 then r5 right?
]
;B[qq]C[ebola [11k\]: so b likes territory...
ben0 [5d\]: MOTOKI !!
Javaness [2d\]: the black stones are like a tasty glass of hot chocolate
kob93 [1d\]: with a name like motoki, u must be a great player
ebola [11k\]: b takes three corners, which means he will surely lose this game
noned [2d\]: :)
TKo [1k?\]: he surely will after taking the forth
ebola [11k\]: that was before komi...
holynec [?\]: this EuroGotV3 is very pro
TomGo [1k\]: @ebola, maybe he can cede any corner during the game, so loss is not necessary :)
Mot [3k\]: please what's w nicks on kgs ?
]
;W[pq]
;B[qp]C[ebola [11k\]: why would B cede corner when he wants it so bad??
]
;W[qo]
;B[ro]
;W[po]
;B[rn]C[danigabi [6d\]: y lost to dmytro in WAGC
danigabi [6d\]: I*
Javaness [2d\]: white was an insei once
]
;W[pm]
;B[pr]
;W[or]C[SnackBar [2d\]: Go Motoki sensei Go ^^
]
;B[qr]
;W[oq]C[SnackBar [2d\]: K4 ?
TKo [1k?\]: was he good as insei?
]
;B[jq]
;W[hq]C[SnackBar [2d\]: for sure yes
TKo [1k?\]: but he didnt make it
]
;B[nr]
;W[ns]
;B[ms]
;W[os]
;B[jo]C[TKo [1k?\]: first bs move over the 3rd line
]
;W[lq]C[ebola [11k\]: b is afraid of center fight?
Javaness [2d\]: this is a standard opening pattern
TKo [1k?\]: maybe he provoke the center fight
Q161 [13k?\]: what country w from?
Javaness [2d\]: Ukraine
Q161 [13k?\]: thx
TKo [1k?\]: what is b thinking?
erna [7k\]: m2 ?
SnackBar [2d\]: m2 a bit submissive i think
]
;B[jm]C[SnackBar [2d\]: it's what white is hoping
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black may sacrifice o2
]
;W[ho]C[SnackBar [2d\]: white is playing fast ?! 
TKo [1k?\]: enough time to think
Terminator [8k\]: strange position at N1, how that happened?
Cassis0 [5d\]: easy for black
TKo [1k?\]: he didnt want to lose sente
]
;B[cp]
;W[cq]C[SnackBar [2d\]: Cassis tu penses que motoki n'aura pas de problème a gagné cette partie ? 
]
;B[co]
;W[bq]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: non
ben0 [5d\]: bah oui motoki est plus fort !
Cassis0 [5d\]: juste que ce fuseki est trop facile pour noir 
ben0 [5d\]: j'avoue que les pierres blanche a gauche ...
]
;B[do]
;W[ep]C[ben0 [5d\]: droite *
]
;B[ck]
;W[ed]C[Normann [1k\]: l'ukraine en force
SnackBar [2d\]: tsss :/
]
;B[ec]C[ebola [11k\]: that's two corners....
TKo [1k?\]: b stays low
holynec [?\]: black 3 corners = loss righ
TKo [1k?\]: y not e15?
holynec [?\]: hard to develop
]
;W[fc]C[holynec [?\]: because black middle group weak, and bottom left group not so strong
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Isn't it: having 4 corners, you lose. Your opponent having 4 corners, you lose? :P
]
;B[dc]C[holynec [?\]: ebola makes new proverbs :p
Q161 [13k?\]: i think if b has 4 he loses, if w has 4 he wins
Javaness [2d\]: worst proverb ever
Q161 [13k?\]: dragons never die is worse
just9x9 [-\]: captain always wins is worse :P
Q161 [13k?\]: ah, touche
SnackBar [2d\]: P16 ?
TKo [1k?\]: dont tell me b plays c14 soon
just9x9 [-\]: isnt there a d15 joseki as well?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: "If Black has all four corners, Black should resign" and "if White has all four corners, Black should resign"
TKo [1k?\]: there is
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: from http://senseis.xmp.net/?BlackShouldResignIfOnePlayerHasFourCorners
Q161 [13k?\]: i was right then
just9x9 [-\]: "if game enters yose, Eurogotv will mess up" also nice proverb ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: this is not my board :P
just9x9 [-\]: i see hehe
]
;W[od]C[TKo [1k?\]: there is "my" and "your"? Look like the same
just9x9 [-\]: 2 and 3 TKo
ebola [11k\]: what will W do if b pop out of F16???
just9x9 [-\]: normally w will double approach r16 then ebola
kaly [2k\]: then g17 i think
SnackBar [2d\]: p17 ?
TKo [1k?\]: really?
Javaness [2d\]: how about P15
TKo [1k?\]: bad
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Or f16 ^^
TKo [1k?\]: p15 need some stone on the side
SnackBar [2d\]: k16 or p17 will follow
]
;B[fd]C[kaly [2k\]: cool :)
SnackBar [2d\]: :o
Q161 [13k?\]: w g16?
SnackBar [2d\]: g16 is a bad move
TKo [1k?\]: gote 
SnackBar [2d\]: g17 is the usual follow 
TKo [1k?\]: what about h17?
TKo [1k?\]: no... bad too
SnackBar [2d\]: white can g17 or tenuki
andreiand: thx.I just started learning go and it helps me very much
TKo [1k?\]: how far?
ebola [11k\]: I guess E16 becomes  a "light" stone
andreiand: 3 days
TKo [1k?\]: i mean how far did it help you?
SnackBar [2d\]: a dead one maybe... but not light
Q161 [13k?\]: g16 bad because its gote?
AurelienC [2d\]: allez motok
andreiand: don't know yet
]
;W[qe]C[SnackBar [2d\]: if white G16... black F15 and if white connecte G17... black do a pincer
SnackBar [2d\]: so it's a bad move
Q161 [13k?\]: ok
ebola [11k\]: w is asking b to take the third corner
]
;B[re]
;W[pe]C[Fosh: w is asking b to take the top
]
;B[qf]
;W[rf]
;B[rg]
;W[rd]
;B[sf]C[Q161 [13k?\]: w confusing me
]
;W[qc]
;B[gc]C[TKo [1k?\]: with which move?
Fosh: w has little
Q161 [13k?\]: well the tenuki after f16
Q161 [13k?\]: and giving b ponnuki on his side
]
;W[qh]C[SnackBar [2d\]: the sequence on the right side was a joseki
]
;B[rh]C[Q161 [13k?\]: i just thought right side would be w's
Q161 [13k?\]: cant see where he wants to make territory
Q161 [13k?\]: im sure he knows
Q161 [13k?\]: but i dont 
]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]C[ebola [11k\]: I think w is looking forward to harassing K5 stones
Cassis0 [5d\]: this game looks like w has no plan... 
Q161 [13k?\]: i dont feel alone anymore :)
TKo [1k?\]: so you choose b side
]
;W[qj]C[erwrwer: black can tenuki
Cassis0 [5d\]: not really
Baccano [2d\]: t16 then r13? or is it too submissive? After tenuki at g17 might be necessary tho?
AurelienC [2d\]: why t16 ?
TKo [1k?\]: he can i think
]
;B[pf]
;W[of]C[Baccano [2d\]: not sure about it, but might be double sente?
]
;B[og]C[Nemerid [-\]: t16 is bad
Baccano [2d\]: not if go that way tho
]
;W[ng]C[Nemerid [-\]: black want to use S17 aji later
Nemerid [-\]: (if possible)
Baccano [2d\]: yes
erwrwer: I d-ont understand Q14 black , simply L17 is ok
Baccano [2d\]: if black played r13 to live tho, then t16 becomes white's sente
Baccano [2d\]: hence play it first
Nemerid [-\]: q14 is to awake the aji of R16 stone
]
;B[nf]C[erwrwer: black no need to defende if white R13, black S10 white S9, black T10 and live
]
;W[oe]C[Baccano [2d\]: er
Baccano [2d\]: that's even more submissive :p
Baccano [2d\]: (I mean erwrwer's var)
Cassis0 [5d\]: how is t10 live? 
]
;B[sd]C[erwrwer: submissive but enough
]
;W[rc]C[Nemerid [-\]: ah ah
Cassis0 [5d\]: ah ok 
Cassis0 [5d\]: first line :p
erwrwer: yes
TKo [1k?\]: :D
erwrwer: still L17 is the point
Baccano [2d\]: to live at r13 sound better than live on first line, black keeps s9 maybe for later
]
;B[jc]C[Baccano [2d\]: in the previous pos
Baccano [2d\]: and see about t16 :p
Nemerid [-\]: good job baccano
erwrwer: so motoki agree
]
;W[qg]
;B[pg]C[TKo [1k?\]: he didnt :D
erwrwer: ah
erwrwer: Q13 mistake
Cassis0 [5d\]: ...
]
;W[nh]
;B[rj]
;W[rk]C[ebola [11k\]: ouch
Nemerid [-\]: motoki should have read, because it seems a little dangerous
pengin [5d\]: there is not much to read
Nemerid [-\]: he connects with T10
]
;B[sk]C[TKo [1k?\]: or that
AurelienC [2d\]: nemerid, t10 is ko imo
pengin [5d\]: no its just alive
Vogel [1k\]: motoki really cool :)
AurelienC [2d\]: ... of course but i mean instead of s10 , please follow
]
;W[rl]
;B[sj]
;W[in]C[pengin [5d\]: but i didnt like k17
whaaaaaaat [1d\]: how can w win this ?
TKo [1k?\]: so you want l17?
pengin [5d\]: i prefer move around e9 or h8
AurelienC [2d\]: by attacking b bottom ;)
]
;B[jn]
;W[il]C[pengin [5d\]: i think its better for black to have build up the left side
pengin [5d\]: in that case white cant play J17 anyway
gelda [2k\]: t12 is useless .
Aldor [2d\]: hard time for b now
gelda [2k\]: ...
gelda [2k\]: ?
pengin [5d\]: and this lower groupe wouldnt have been under attack
pengin [5d\]: black is still ahead in territory though
TKo [1k?\]: just a bit, right?
pengin [5d\]: not much, yeah
pengin [5d\]: thats why i didnt like k17
]
;B[hr]
;W[gr]
;B[lo]
;W[ir]
;B[kk]
;W[jj]
;B[no]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: n2
terminatrx [2d\]: btw ... in the wall list black is only 6d ... what is correct now?
gelda [2k\]: http://ffg.jeudego.org/php/listePersonnes.php
Kirigo: n2 seem only moove
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black is 6d here too, what's the problem?
gelda [2k\]: look at motoki
elohimmeth [1d\]: should attack the c9 ?
gelda [2k\]: he is around 7d
terminatrx [2d\]: yes all the last tournaments he was i know
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=12874356
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: In Europe?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Japanese amateur dan are weaker than european amateur dan
terminatrx [2d\]: its not the the first time he would go back to 6d because his rating is to low
Pinguschaf [5d\]: it doesnt really matter whether you call urself 6d or 7d
terminatrx [2d\]: sorry to disappoint you eurogotv2 ... but noguchi lives in france
]
;W[mn]C[Javaness [2d\]: he played as 7d in france for some time i believe
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I'm not disappointed, he's stil Japanese, isn't he? ;)
elohimmeth [1d\]: N2 works?
bolb [-\]: he is
Kirigo: relly beautifull moove
]
;B[mo]C[terminatrx [2d\]: he played as 7d a long time then 6d a short time then 7d again ... now maybe 6d again thats why i ask
Nemerid [-\]: he is but he is in france for years and he became 7d in france
elohimmeth [1d\]: i mean n3
dohsaku [1d?\]: b is dying
]
;W[ml]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: hmm white decided too auickly
SnackBar [2d\]: b never die
Pinguschaf [5d\]: now black is already alive
Pinguschaf [5d\]: white should have left the shape like this and first go for left side
Cassis0 [5d\]: m2
dohsaku [1d?\]: then O4
ben0 [5d\]: je suis sur que motoki hésite avec d12 :)
Nemerid [-\]: tenuki ici ??
ben0 [5d\]: on sait jamais
Cassis0 [5d\]: ou alors couper en h7+
ben0 [5d\]: enfin c'est sur que c'est beaucoup moins risqué de rajouter un coup
ben0 [5d\]: la coupe sert pas a grand chose
gelda [2k\]: si le groupe meurt il peut encore gagner? 
ben0 [5d\]: il va pas mourir -_-
ben0 [5d\]: m2 et il vit tranquille
SnackBar [2d\]: noir est trop fort en tsumego pour mourrir
gelda [2k\]: ok
Kirigo: m2 pas obligatoire?
DiGigot [6k\]: ptet pas tout de suite ?
dohsaku [1d?\]: tenuki is not possible
DiGigot [6k\]: ya ptet plus gros ?
erwrwer: m2, n3, n2, l4 and black in trouble
erwrwer: l2 sorry
]
;B[lr]C[erwrwer: black only one eye
]
;W[mq]C[ben0 [5d\]: ...
]
;B[mr]C[dohsaku [1d?\]: N3 is vulgar
erwrwer: black got nervous
Pinguschaf [5d\]: white goes for ko now?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: this loses too many pts
dohsaku [1d?\]: C11 now
]
;W[np]C[erwrwer: this is bad
erwrwer: should be L2
ben0 [5d\]: yes
roxanne: no
erwrwer: now black 2 eyes soon
roxanne: no
roxanne: a big ko
TKo [1k?\]: thought it is the same?
erwrwer: sorry but I d;ont see any ko
dohsaku [1d?\]: look closer
erwrwer: black L2 white connect, and black L3
roxanne: l1 m1
erwrwer: and 2 eyes
roxanne: is the ko
SnackBar [2d\]: i don't see two eyes with your sequence erwrwer
Cassis0 [5d\]: I dont see the 2 eyes
veteran [1d\]: this ko mor favourable than immediate l2
ben0 [5d\]: where is the ko ?
dohsaku [1d?\]: lol
veteran [1d\]: l1
]
;B[kr]
;W[mp]C[elohimmeth [1d\]: no eye
erwrwer: L3
]
;B[lp]C[dohsaku [1d?\]: 1.5 eye
erwrwer: same
erwrwer: no 2 eyes
Nemerid [-\]: he has 2 eyes
DiGigot [6k\]: he must think he can live...
erwrwer: white attack fails
liger [6k\]: otherwise he could only see half the board....without turning his head, that is
TKo [1k?\]: so do i
ben0 [5d\]: et voila 2 yeux
dohsaku [1d?\]: go C11...
gelda [2k\]: i see b alive
TKo [1k?\]: in pain
gelda [2k\]: not really
Daoloth [-\]: how about L3
gelda [2k\]: w has no point
gelda [2k\]: l3 l4 
]
;W[ip]C[Daoloth [-\]: sure
dohsaku [1d?\]: L3 = force into life
]
;B[kq]
;W[op]C[erwrwer: M6
]
;B[ln]C[Daoloth [-\]: trying to read further
]
;W[jp]
;B[kp]C[veteran [1d\]: bad move k4
TKo [1k?\]: l1 if he wants to kill
veteran [1d\]: alive now
erwrwer: O4 was poor
dohsaku [1d?\]: w wrong strategy
erwrwer: should be L2
dohsaku [1d?\]: don't kill...
erwrwer: with L2 only one eye
Turakamu [1k?\]: m8
Cassis0 [5d\]: l2 m8? 
SnackBar [2d\]: we understand erwrwer
Kirigo: what if L1?
Cassis0 [5d\]: erwrwer commenting well
veteran [1d\]: W invade left now maybe d12
]
;W[ci]C[dohsaku [1d?\]: finally
dohsaku [1d?\]: after all the aji keshi
]
;B[ek]
;W[ei]C[veteran [1d\]: I agree
erwrwer: E9 I d,ont like
erwrwer: still aji at C7
erwrwer: so black need another move to defend
TKo [1k?\]: so, where would you play?
erwrwer: better E9 at D8
erwrwer: white defend some way
erwrwer: and black N17 and easy game
erwrwer: now game still hard
veteran [1d\]: c13
]
;B[cg]C[erwrwer: C7
dohsaku [1d?\]: well, D8 doesn't look like it's enough either
veteran [1d\]: no, too early
erwrwer: white only move now is C7
dohsaku [1d?\]: E13
veteran [1d\]: easy for B now
TKo [1k?\]: c7 d8
erwrwer: D8 lose semeai
erwrwer: easy to read semeai
erwrwer: white D7 , Black E7, white cut E6 and won semeai
erwrwer: white now have 2 ways of playing
erwrwer: C7
erwrwer: or G11
erwrwer: but C7 is best I think
Kirigo: si blanc L1 que fait noir?
dohsaku [1d?\]: G11 not E13 ?
erwrwer: N7
Kirigo: merci erwrwer
erwrwer: G11 better, E13 to close to black position and also if E13, black B13, white B11, black C7, white must G11 and black N17 and won
]
;W[dg]C[erwrwer: this is poor
erwrwer: B13
dohsaku [1d?\]: ok
roxanne: c14
erwrwer: roxanee you are right
]
;B[bg]
;W[lc]
;B[gj]
;W[fe]
;B[gd]
;W[gh]C[dohsaku [1d?\]: the real fun is starting
]
;B[hi]C[Farouche [-\]: Nah koyose is not fun
]
;W[ig]C[DiGigot [6k\]: fun is irrelevant
dohsaku [1d?\]: don't speak of yose, groups are not settled
TKo [1k?\]: who spoke of yose?
]
;B[ih]C[SnackBar [2d\]: Black hopes to cut J7 ? 
erwrwer: maybe later
DiGigot [6k\]: hope is irrelevant :)
Javaness [2d\]: the killing moon
dohsaku [1d?\]: J15
]
;W[hg]C[erwrwer: F9 stiil worry
]
;B[im]
;W[hm]
;B[hl]C[erwrwer: K12
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:34, black 1:29
]
;W[fk]C[SnackBar [2d\]: erwrwer have you got a real account on kgs ?
erwrwer: no
Cassis0 [5d\]: you can start one? :) 
erwrwer: maybe I would chose another name for that
DiGigot [6k\]: remarque il le dirait ptet pas s'il en avait un
SnackBar [2d\]: and what is you real level ? 
erwrwer: I am weak
erwrwer: amateur of course
gelda [2k\]: weak 29k or weak 7d ?
cadaver [1k\]: lol
ZothOmmog [4k\]: weak 9p
erwrwer: amateur can sometimes play like 2 kyu sometimes like 7dan , so you can include me in this interval
bipbip [2k\]: your comments are nice anyway  . thx erwrwer
erwrwer: thx
TKo [1k?\]: so what now?
Javaness [2d\]: amateur can be elephant or squirrel
erwrwer: hehe
]
;B[fj]C[erwrwer: anyway winner of the congress is not on this board for sure
TKo [1k?\]: to weak for ya?
ben0 [5d\]: and winner of the kibbitz is not you for sure
erwrwer: see u later, need to go now
Cassis0 [5d\]: goodbye 
Cassis0 [5d\]: thx for nice comments
andreiand: thx
TKo [1k?\]: when is win7 on the market?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: white in trouble
]
;W[ej]
;B[el]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[gk]
;B[fl]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: I dont understand black
ben0 [5d\]: j9
ben0 [5d\]: ouais c'est chaud pour motok la
ZothOmmog [4k\]: that was odd
Rocker [4d\]: w is serbian?
Javaness [2d\]: chaud!
Rocker [4d\]: hot?
snowman [-\]: ignorant rockers nowadays
Ignatius [2k\]: w is ukrainian
ZothOmmog [4k\]: ukrain is veak
Rocker [4d\]: snowman u r already out of the tourney!?
snowman [-\]: just like you
Rocker [4d\]: hehehe u r mad!
sameasyou [2d\]: Ukraine is very strong in european Go
ZothOmmog [4k\]: *smashes goban*
Rocker [4d\]: artem is stronger than dmytro?
Javaness [2d\]: no idea
sameasyou [2d\]: not officially...but unoficially I think yes
Javaness [2d\]: what is wrong with H10
TKo [1k?\]: nothing
veteran [1d\]: wrong with h10 is j9
TKo [1k?\]: maybe a little squeezing
ZothOmmog [4k\]: h10
Eburg [4k\]: why s13 group is still not dead?
Javaness [2d\]: T8 T12 miai
ZothOmmog [4k\]: s13 alive
TKo [1k?\]: because it is alive
Eburg [4k\]: oh, yeah, missed the connection, sorry )
]
;W[ik]C[takagawa13 [3k\]: t12????
takagawa13 [3k\]: ah t8
takagawa13 [3k\]: sorry
TKo [1k?\]: and the next one :|
DiGigot [6k\]: time ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:20, black 1:14
]
;B[kh]
;W[kj]C[TKo [1k?\]: k13?
]
;B[jg]
;W[jf]
;B[kf]
;W[je]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: very difficult fight
Pinguschaf [5d\]: but i think its easier to handle for white
]
;B[mf]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: white dead
Pinguschaf [5d\]: dead where?^^
ZothOmmog [4k\]: everywhere
Animo [3k\]: ?
Edelweiss [1k\]: kyus smoke a lot on kgs :s
Farouche [-\]: F9 was really good
ZothOmmog [4k\]: nah
ben0 [5d\]: m10 ?
KingDom12 [4k\]: hmm if w playes l1  what would b do?
Eburg [4k\]: o10 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: m9
DiGigot [6k\]: (thx)
Edelweiss [1k\]: maybe there is something with J3 for B to use aji of H2 if W L1
]
;W[lg]C[AURELIE46 [3d\]: L1
AURELIE46 [3d\]: nothing
AURELIE46 [3d\]: L1,J5
]
;B[kg]C[veteran [1d\]: have to l15
ZothOmmog [4k\]: l1 j3
playtowin: I have a question?
playtowin: Why B not T12
playtowin: T12 help S12 alive
Mikkie [10k\]: it's alive
Mem0r3x [1k\]: t12 t8 
Mem0r3x [1k\]: And black connects.
playtowin: oh
playtowin: thx
TKo [1k?\]: ohh god
TKo [1k?\]: is it the 4th oder the 5th who has such question
Mem0r3x [1k\]: We are not all [1k?\] TKo.
TKo [1k?\]: hehe, even a 5d doubt about this life
]
;W[lh]C[Q161 [13k?\]: how much time on b's clock?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:57, black 0:55
Q161 [13k?\]: thanks
gelda [2k\]: m9 possible ?
sameasyou [2d\]: how much time b has?
]
;B[ld]C[Q161 [13k?\]: 55 minutes a few minutes ago
]
;W[ke]
;B[mc]
;W[le]C[ben0 [5d\]: huge sacrifice -_-
Nemerid [-\]: black has lost 
]
;B[md]C[ben0 [5d\]: GO GO MOTOKI !!
Gonzalate [2d\]: pessimists!
DiGigot [6k\]: ya pas à faire vers M9 aussi ?
jerno [3d\]: c'est que 20 pts ..
Lepenski [1k\]: p17
Lepenski [1k\]: bp17
go1d [4d\]: il a surement du compter et voir qu'il pouvait gagner en sacrifiant
ben0 [5d\]: mouais
Elendar [1d\]: ou alors il a pas eu le choix de sacrifier :')
Gonzalate [2d\]: euuh...c'est motoki, hein :)
bensenseii [-\]: Ou pas
jerno [3d\]: ya une autre theorie
]
;W[me]
;B[oc]C[jerno [3d\]: il avait pas trop le choix et tente de choper le meilleur benefice de son sacrifice
go1d [4d\]: mué
]
;W[pc]C[go1d [4d\]: bah faut compter là
]
;B[ob]C[ClemGo [4k\]: motoki prend cher
ben0 [5d\]: je pense malheureusement que c'est ca aussi -_-
ClemGo [4k\]: milena pleure pas
Gonzalate [2d\]: quoi?
ClemGo [4k\]: =)
Ephemere [2d\]: m9 deviens enorme....
Fujisuke [2d\]: Mais pk il est inscrit 6d au lieu de 7 ?
ben0 [5d\]: m7 l1 l8
]
;W[bj]C[go1d [4d\]: motoki a 60 point
]
;B[bk]C[ben0 [5d\]: parce que motoki est passé 6d sur la ffg
ben0 [5d\]: 595 *
Fujisuke [2d\]: d'accord merci
chamois [4k\]: en coupant o15 noir peut peut etre tuer le coin, non?
ben0 [5d\]: j'imagine meme pas comment motoki a hmmmmmmhmmmmer la :)
]
;W[pb]C[go1d [4d\]: et j'en compte 58.5 pour blanc avec le komi
chamois [4k\]: ou pas
]
;B[lk]
;W[lj]
;B[mk]C[go1d [4d\]: c'est très serré
ben0 [5d\]: hum
ben0 [5d\]: m7 pas possible la ??
ben0 [5d\]: ah non
ben0 [5d\]: ca marche plus
DiGigot [6k\]: à toi de voir :)
Athanor [-\]: hello milena
Ephemere [2d\]: tu es sur de ton comptage? tu as pensé a la reduction max du coin en bas a droite?
Ephemere [2d\]: (avec s7 ou t7 sente)
Athanor [-\]: c'est moi ou motoki est mal?
go1d [4d\]: oui ephemere
bensenseii [-\]: C'est toi
DiGigot [6k\]: ya aussi l'aji vers M11-O11 qui va reduire pas mal blanc non ?
go1d [4d\]: mui
go1d [4d\]: bon allez je recompte plus précisément
Ephemere [2d\]: à un moment m14 peut devenir interessant
bensenseii [-\]: Vi
DiGigot [6k\]: oui
DiGigot [6k\]: euh, non ptet pas, vu que 6k je sais pas :)
go1d [4d\]: 58 pour motoki 
Ephemere [2d\]: ca reduirai beaucoup blanc. Si motok peut le placer au bon moment je pense qu'il est devant.
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - both 0:44
bensenseii [-\]: Enfin faut avoir un bon timing
Ephemere [2d\]: oui le timing est difficile, il faut certainement travailler f13  avant
DiGigot [6k\]: ya la menace de coupe en O11 qui peut aider
Ephemere [2d\]: (vers f13)
go1d [4d\]: 68 avec le komi pour blanc
Mot [3k\]: B4 est gros aussi non ?
go1d [4d\]: enfin 68.5
DiGigot [6k\]: après tout, isolé, le groupe Q9 est pas méga frais
]
;W[ic]C[go1d [4d\]: blanc est en avance de 8 point , et c'est à lui de jouer , c'est mal parti
Ephemere [2d\]: mois serré que dans ta premiére estimation ^^
ben0 [5d\]: joli coup ca
jmh2 [2k\]: il me semble aussi que noir est en retard mais allez motok !!!
go1d [4d\]: ah pas mal !
bensenseii [-\]: Ouais
bensenseii [-\]: Là ça va être assez chaud
go1d [4d\]: Yep
Ephemere [2d\]: ouille vilain coup
bensenseii [-\]: Trop chaud peut-être
Elendar [1d\]: enfin si justement, ça fais mal comme coup :D
belldandy [3d?\]: va encore falloir revoir l'estimation je crois x)
ben0 [5d\]: j18 semble obligé -_-
bensenseii [-\]: Ouais
ben0 [5d\]: et encore si j18 ya le cross cut
]
;B[id]C[ben0 [5d\]: donc ptet meme k18 oblig" -___-
Ephemere [2d\]: peut etre avec la menace de coupe en j14 il y a quelque chose a faire... sinon c'est la fin de la partie
ben0 [5d\]: oh !
bensenseii [-\]: Ow
belldandy [3d?\]: ouch
ben0 [5d\]: my god
Athanor [-\]: l17
bensenseii [-\]: Je l'attendais pas ça...
Athanor [-\]: et fin
ben0 [5d\]: l17 ?
go1d [4d\]: euuuh
Ephemere [2d\]: l17 c'est sur
go1d [4d\]: noir va souffir non? 
bensenseii [-\]: Il se fait couper méchant
Elendar [1d\]: il fini sente non?
ben0 [5d\]: mais en plus
ben0 [5d\]: blanc peu vivre non ? :)
go1d [4d\]: il peut vivre localement
go1d [4d\]: oui
ben0 [5d\]: si 17 k18 marche non ? :)
jmh2 [2k\]: J14 est peut etre genant pour blanc....
Ephemere [2d\]: game over...
go1d [4d\]: attends faut lire
ben0 [5d\]: avec n19 sente en plus -_-
jmh2 [2k\]: c peut etre pour ca J16
ben0 [5d\]: me je vois pas ce qui gagne motoki
bensenseii [-\]: Mmmh
Elendar [1d\]: blanc peut vivre O.o
ben0 [5d\]: je crois
bensenseii [-\]: C'est un échange bon pour blanc mais il finit gote non ?
]
;W[kc]
;B[kd]
;W[jd]
;B[jb]C[ben0 [5d\]: arf
]
;W[ib]C[ben0 [5d\]: blanc peureux
Athanor [-\]: lol
bensenseii [-\]: Ouais
go1d [4d\]: blanc pouvait pas vivre
ben0 [5d\]: si
]
;B[lb]C[bensenseii [-\]: Enfin c'est moche quand même
ben0 [5d\]: enfin je crois
Ephemere [2d\]: c'est suffisant, je le comprend;;;
]
;W[ja]
;B[kb]C[Elendar [1d\]: c'est quand même du gros yose :')
go1d [4d\]: bah atta ben je clone
ben0 [5d\]: enfin oui motok se faire encore reduire -_-
Athanor [-\]: game over
bensenseii [-\]: Il a perdu quoi là ? 15 pts ?
go1d [4d\]: salle fr
Ephemere [2d\]: ABANDON BIENTÖT?
]
;W[hd]C[ben0 [5d\]: ralala
]
;B[ge]C[Ephemere [2d\]: (dsl pour les majuscule)
go1d [4d\]: viens ben >_<'
]
;W[rm]C[bensenseii [-\]: J'aime pas ça
]
;B[oh]C[bensenseii [-\]: Ah
bensenseii [-\]: On dirait que le temps arrive pour M14 ?
]
;W[ni]
;B[sh]C[go1d [4d\]: nan , blanc a prevu le coup
bensenseii [-\]: Zut
]
;W[ao]C[bensenseii [-\]: =x
bensenseii [-\]: C'est fini là je pense
Athanor [-\]: bah oui
]
;B[bn]
;W[df]
;B[nl]C[go1d [4d\]: Meuh non il va trouver un tesuji
bensenseii [-\]: J'y crois moyen
Elendar [1d\]: un tesuji à 20 pts, c'est pas facil :p
jerno [3d\]: jamais fini
Ephemere [2d\]: LE TESUJI DE TRANSFORMATION DE LA COULEUR DES PIERRES ¨¨
jmh2 [2k\]: moi j'y crois
go1d [4d\]: Si il l'oblige à prendre les pierre en l12 ca peut se faire 
ben0 [5d\]: puis on parle de motoki faut pas oublier ! :)
ben0 [5d\]: hum
Gonzalate [2d\]: :)
ben0 [5d\]: ca peut le faire ouais
Athanor [-\]: pqs tres fort motoki aujourdhui
Ephemere [2d\]: blanc p11 
bolb [-\]: si tu pouvais éviter de crier
go1d [4d\]: on voit bien que motoki attends que ca
ben0 [5d\]: déja m14 est sente
bensenseii [-\]: Athanos on te permet pas
go1d [4d\]: oui
]
;W[oi]C[ben0 [5d\]: arf
go1d [4d\]: mwarf
ben0 [5d\]: il se fait pas avoir
Athanor [-\]: je me permet tut seul
Gonzalate [2d\]: o15 avant m14?
go1d [4d\]: il a prevu l;e coup
]
;B[ff]C[bensenseii [-\]: C'est bête ça
go1d [4d\]: ca change rien
go1d [4d\]: haha
jmh2 [2k\]: P11 enorme
go1d [4d\]: il veut le faire encore
go1d [4d\]: avec atari en j14 
Gonzalate [2d\]: :D
]
;W[ee]C[go1d [4d\]: j14 
Yanwangye [-\]: ^^
go1d [4d\]: allez le piege :p
meuns [2k\]: motoki perd
Ephemere [2d\]: g13 h12 f12 ?
ben0 [5d\]: hum
ben0 [5d\]: ya un truc la c'est sur
bensenseii [-\]: j14 ?
go1d [4d\]: oui
ben0 [5d\]: mais faut trouver quoi
go1d [4d\]: ben y'a un truc je viens de le dire
ben0 [5d\]: déjà d12
Ephemere [2d\]: ah?
go1d [4d\]: si r10 n'a pas 2 yeux il devra prendre les pierre
]
;B[fh]C[ben0 [5d\]: pour voir comment il réagit
Gonzalate [2d\]: hahaha
bensenseii [-\]: Haha
Gonzalate [2d\]: motoki est vil ce matin
ben0 [5d\]: bon ok on laisse faire motoki :)
jmh2 [2k\]: go motok !!!
Elendar [1d\]: mhhh ça sent l'arnaque tout ça
go1d [4d\]: il a du trouver quelque chose
meuns [2k\]: j'ai l'impression que blanc va gagner moi ^^'
Ephemere [2d\]: il fait la sequence que j'ai donné mais a l'envers il me semble
ben0 [5d\]: meuns tu sors
jerno [3d\]: je pense qu'il cherche encore 
go1d [4d\]: ah je vois larnaque
meuns [2k\]: ^^'
belldandy [3d?\]: ca va overplay un petit peut jcrois x)
Ephemere [2d\]: bl peut peut etre g14 
go1d [4d\]: il peut pas G14 blanc
Ephemere [2d\]: a oui
Ephemere [2d\]: vu
ben0 [5d\]: g14 h14
go1d [4d\]: yep
belldandy [3d?\]: yup
bensenseii [-\]: C'est du grand motoki ça
go1d [4d\]: allez qu'il tombe dans le piege :p
meuns [2k\]: quand même...
ben0 [5d\]: mais
meuns [2k\]: c'est un 6d blanc
bensenseii [-\]: Et alors ?
ben0 [5d\]: juste comme ca, il se passe quoi si blanc f11 ?
go1d [4d\]: bah un 9p c'est déjà fait un autoatari alors 6d ...
meuns [2k\]: ^^
terminatrx [2d\]: e12 
bensenseii [-\]: Mmmh ben je sais pas
bensenseii [-\]: E12 j'ai pensé aussi mais je suis pas convaincu
go1d [4d\]: rien de spé
ben0 [5d\]: e12 ?
go1d [4d\]: ah si !
ben0 [5d\]: marche pas e12
go1d [4d\]: y'a une coupe
bensenseii [-\]: Ok
ben0 [5d\]: hum
ben0 [5d\]: ah
ben0 [5d\]: f11 r13
ben0 [5d\]: f13 *
terminatrx [2d\]: i guess i was right with noguchi starting as 6d :D
bensenseii [-\]: Ah wi
go1d [4d\]: du grand art ce coup
bensenseii [-\]: F13 et on revient à la séquence de tout à l'heure
ben0 [5d\]: t'as rien lu go1d et tu dis ca -___-
bensenseii [-\]: LOl
meuns [2k\]: maybe he is weaker than the top koreans present at the tournament
go1d [4d\]: bah si -___-'
ben0 [5d\]: motoki is 7d !
Elendar [1d\]: même avec f13 je vois rien si blanc joue pas comme un 5k '.'
bensenseii [-\]: Allez gold sors ta science
ben0 [5d\]: non mais
ClemGo [4k\]: g14 !
go1d [4d\]: bah je réfléchis aux réponses de blanc et ce que ca donne
meuns [2k\]: c'est bon c'est bon... ^^
bensenseii [-\]: -_-
Athanor [-\]: g14 foireux
bensenseii [-\]: G14 is trap
patissier [-\]: ^^
bensenseii [-\]: En fait ouais
bensenseii [-\]: Allez blanc ! G14
go1d [4d\]: g14 marche pas , f11 non plus
Athanor [-\]: salut patissier
patissier [-\]: yop 
bensenseii [-\]: Bah justement
sameasyou [2d\]: w should not take any chances...he should close the game
bensenseii [-\]: Si blanc G14 noir gagne
go1d [4d\]: oui
meuns [2k\]: si blanc gère, il gagne non ?
jerno [3d\]: f13 blanc ?
go1d [4d\]: oui
terminatrx [2d\]: imho white has won
bensenseii [-\]: Bah oui
bensenseii [-\]: S'il gère
Luffyop [2k\]: pourquoi f 11 marche pas ?
go1d [4d\]: f13 ko
bensenseii [-\]: f11 f13
go1d [4d\]: f13 h15 j15 h14 j14 g13 
go1d [4d\]: et Toc , qu'on dise pas que je lis pas >_<'
bensenseii [-\]: Haha
ben0 [5d\]: qui a osez dire ca ?
patissier [-\]: lol
Elendar [1d\]: go1d t'as sequence lle veut rien dire
Elendar [1d\]: tu t'es planté en écrivant :p
go1d [4d\]: si elendar
bensenseii [-\]: Au fait, il leur reste combien de temps ?
jerno [3d\]: héhé ok david ^^
go1d [4d\]: jai fait ctrl +click sur le goban pas possible que je me sois trompé
Elendar [1d\]: xD
go1d [4d\]: je vois pas mieux que le ko de jerno
]
;W[fi]C[bensenseii [-\]: Oh
go1d [4d\]: :O
bensenseii [-\]: F13
go1d [4d\]: g11 
go1d [4d\]: ca revient au ko
go1d [4d\]: ah non
meuns [2k\]: je vois pas de ko
meuns [2k\]: xD
bensenseii [-\]: Lol gold
bensenseii [-\]: f13 est pas bon ?
]
;B[gg]C[Javaness [2d\]: pauvre chat
bensenseii [-\]: O.o
meuns [2k\]: pourquoi donc ?
meuns [2k\]: blanc gagne
bensenseii [-\]: On savait pas
bensenseii [-\]: Bon allez, on pronostique, c'est quoi le prochain coup ?
go1d [4d\]: h12 ou g11 
raisou [3k\]: tenuki
Dreamland [1k?\]: h12
Gonzalate [2d\]: il a fumé motoki ?
Athanor [-\]: non
sameasyou [2d\]: h12
meuns [2k\]: D13 peut pas mourir
Athanor [-\]: on a bien essaye, mais il a pas voulu
Gonzalate [2d\]: :)
Athanor [-\]: pas grave, nous on gagne =)
Elendar [1d\]: moi je sens bien h15 *o*
]
;W[hh]C[Elendar [1d\]: oh :(
bensenseii [-\]: Je vois bien un truc hyper arnaquation
qwan [1d\]: o7 ?
bensenseii [-\]: Mais il lui manquerait une liberté je crois
Mem0r3x [1k\]: p8 better imo
go1d [4d\]: o7 c'est le plus gros coup maintenant
]
;B[ne]C[bensenseii [-\]: Non
bensenseii [-\]: OH
ben0 [5d\]: hummm
go1d [4d\]: :O
go1d [4d\]: il a quelque chose là
meuns [2k\]: humm
ben0 [5d\]: je pige plus la
bensenseii [-\]: Mon arnaque à la liberté qui manque
go1d [4d\]: lol
sameasyou [2d\]: m14
Skyle [4k?\]: il veut tuer le gros groupe blanc ?
bensenseii [-\]: Ben quoi ? =D
jerno [3d\]: il a reussi le semedori ?
go1d [4d\]: Si il joue comme bensenseii le dit il est sûr de perdre :p
Elendar [1d\]: ahah
bensenseii [-\]: Oui mais je dis des conneries moi
bensenseii [-\]: DOnc il va gagner
bensenseii [-\]: Parce que je suis pas 7d moi
meuns [2k\]: le semedori c'est suffisant pour rendre la partie serré
bensenseii [-\]: A peine 17k
meuns [2k\]: Mais bon
Gonzalate [2d\]: il veut recuperer des points dans le roin
jerno [3d\]: nan il va obliger blanc a le capturer
go1d [4d\]: oui
bensenseii [-\]: Sûrement
go1d [4d\]: si blanc capture il peut encore gagner
Gonzalate [2d\]: ça fait 3 pts x.x
bensenseii [-\]: Parce que la liberté manque
Athanor [-\]: la liberte abonde pour blanc
Athanor [-\]: o16
Kirigo: j11 suffit pas  à blanc pour gagner?
bensenseii [-\]: Faut euthanasier les adversaires de motok
Lepenski [1k\]: o16
]
;W[nd]C[Elendar [1d\]: blanc a peur :p
]
;B[nc]
;W[pd]C[meuns [2k\]: peur de quoi ?
Mot [3k\]: c'est ko en H14 non ?
Elendar [1d\]: louper un truc :3
Athanor [-\]: keud pour noir
ben0 [5d\]: je vois pas ce que noir a gagné -_-
go1d [4d\]: grave
Mot [3k\]: noir risque de gagner J18 ?
bensenseii [-\]: Hé gold il y a le choc des 0 là =p
meuns [2k\]: non
meuns [2k\]: noir va perdre
go1d [4d\]: ?
bensenseii [-\]: Cassis VS ben
meuns [2k\]: je vois blanc +8 ou 10
go1d [4d\]: ah xD
bensenseii [-\]: Héhé
meuns [2k\]: avec un demi yose minable hein ^^
Mem0r3x [1k\]: d12 is interesting
]
;B[dh]
;W[eh]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: ^^
]
;B[ch]C[bensenseii [-\]: Laul
go1d [4d\]: ixsé
go1d [4d\]: ixdé *
meuns [2k\]: sympa
meuns [2k\]: gros yose
bensenseii [-\]: Schöne Yose
meuns [2k\]: On revient à un ko
meuns [2k\]: mouai
bensenseii [-\]: Euuuuh
Luffyop [2k\]: pas ko ...
bensenseii [-\]: Pas de ko là
veteran [1d\]: only a few points
Lepenski [1k\]: f13
veteran [1d\]: < 4
meuns [2k\]: f13 d11 d10 c10 
bensenseii [-\]: -_-
]
;W[cj]C[meuns [2k\]: gros yose ^^
bensenseii [-\]: E14
meuns [2k\]: bah ouai
meuns [2k\]: ^^
meuns [2k\]: gros yose!
]
;B[fo]C[k0n0 [?\]: t17 big
]
;W[eo]
;B[en]C[meuns [2k\]: and sente !
Javaness [2d\]: black needs more than yose to win
meuns [2k\]: maybe
Q161 [13k?\]: go w!!
]
;W[fp]
;B[go]C[go1d [4d\]: h4 
]
;W[gp]
;B[ef]C[bensenseii [-\]: Je l'avais dit
]
;W[eg]
;B[de]C[Elendar [1d\]: '.'
]
;W[cf]C[TKo [1k?\]: go b
]
;B[bf]C[bensenseii [-\]: Noir perd encore
jerno [3d\]: hoho il remonte
]
;W[fg]C[bensenseii [-\]: Oui il remonte
]
;B[gf]
;W[nm]C[Gonzalate [2d\]: aie
Elendar [1d\]: il aurait du capturer ça avant
Elendar [1d\]: :(
]
;B[nk]C[tomash [3k?\]: m14?  sente
]
;W[ga]C[TKo [1k?\]: dead?
]
;B[fa]C[Tollpatsch [8k\]: what do you think is dead?
TKo [1k?\]: no, clear now :d
]
;W[ha]C[TKo [1k?\]: seem close, right?
Cornel [7d\]: w ahead
holycarp [-\]: w+13.5 se
]
;B[gb]
;W[fn]
;B[gn]
;W[gm]
;B[fm]
;W[hn]
;B[fn]C[bolb [-\]: thx holycarp
holycarp [-\]: but its more like 8.5
holycarp [-\]: u welcome
TKo [1k?\]: hmm... i always doubt the low playing style of B
cuicide [2k\]: se broken
holycarp [-\]: kgs se is lame
holycarp [-\]: but you can fix the mistakes
cuicide [2k\]: where is better?
holycarp [-\]: i like tygem se
]
;W[al]C[mi1 [2k\]: holycarp how ?
holycarp [-\]: and cyberoro
cuicide [2k\]: cyberoro se sucks
holycarp [-\]: both nicely accurate
TKo [1k?\]: what now?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black has resigned
holycarp [-\]: tygem no1
SnackBar [2d\]: ;'(
Gonzalate [2d\]: T.T
Lepenski [1k\]: white won?
Gonzalate [2d\]: do you know zhang yanqi's result ?
BlackLotus [9k\]: yes
Lepenski [1k\]: thx
])