(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 5 board 3]PW[Geert Groenen]PB[Kim Eunkuk]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-31]EV[main]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[NL]BT[KR]US[kamyszyn]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: same person relaying 2 games? :) 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
vampyre0 [17k\]: nice
Cassis0 [5d\]: that's brave lol 
BrYanwithY [5k\]: white is winning by 8
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b wins obviously
ZothOmmog [4k\]: duh
ZothOmmog [4k\]: please read more bry
BrYanwithY [5k\]: black has some catching up to do....
Khaos [5k\]: but even so, its still a close game :P
BrYanwithY [5k\]: he might still win, but it's not over yet
ZothOmmog [4k\]: nonsense
Violence [-\]: Black has obtained sente and can fight.
Javaness [2d\]: white's name is awesome, he has a chance to win
Cassis0 [5d\]: a chance? that's optimist :p 
Javaness [2d\]: remember, white is ahead in cash at the moment
asrai [7k\]: lol java
asrai [7k\]: Geert :)
mcw85 [7k\]: Mr. GoTV3, is Mr. GoTV1 going to be relaying board 1?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: I think i saw this problem on one of the go websites
ZothOmmog [4k\]: slighty challanging
mcw85 [7k\]: R16 is the correct answer.
MoonCrash [5k\]: whos winning?
Bipolair [2k\]: w
ZothOmmog [4k\]: b
mcw85 [7k\]: White, please resign.
MoonCrash [5k\]: eurogo, can you provide video link?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: eurogotv1 know it, I don't remember
mcw85 [7k\]: http://www.britgo.org/rules/agaexplain.html
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
MoonCrash [5k\]: thx
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;B[qd]C[che [-\]: I predict less than 150 moves
Ruutana [?\]: Nearly 400 moves!
BrYanwithY [5k\]: mcw85  predicted this move :)
Saimon [1d\]: yeah, Kim resings soon
BrYanwithY [5k\]: It appears black saw the correct solution
Ruutana [?\]: I can see why black is 6d, this opening is very strong.
]
;W[dd]C[Ruutana [?\]: 7d
]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]
;B[fc]
;W[hc]
;B[oc]
;W[cf]
;B[pj]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: heavy jokes this morning 
BrYanwithY [5k\]: interesting leaving f17 there....maybe I respond to that pincer too automatically
BurzoS [2d\]: Hello 
Uberdude [4d?\]: yes, you do
Cassis0 [5d\]: l17 is common now here
Uberdude [4d?\]: tenuki to p17 is a common fuseki
]
;W[jp]
;B[cn]C[Meareal [4k\]: what s the thought behind it?
Markes [2d?\]: white hrer cannot easily expand along the side
WhiteComet [6k\]: can white take upper left in 1 move?
BurzoS [2d\]: EUROGOTV you won't broadcast Cornel's game against INSEONG HWANG ?
Uberdude [4d?\]: p17 is a big fueski point in itself
Uberdude [4d?\]: if enter corner then w get sente
Uberdude [4d?\]: and approach at p17 is excellent
Meareal [4k\]: ah okay
Uberdude [4d?\]: so p17
Uberdude [4d?\]: if w answers at r10
Meareal [4k\]: thank you
Uberdude [4d?\]: then you got shimari in sente which is nice
Uberdude [4d?\]: and can carry on with f17
Uberdude [4d?\]: if white answers at f16 then you get nice q10
Uberdude [4d?\]: and as b has ladder can later e16 wedge
Yanwangye [-\]: when is roln playing?
Javaness [2d\]: 	Groenen Geert	- Chang Yuan Jung	1-0  nice win
ebola [11k\]: huh?
Uberdude [4d?\]: oh the taiwan 1p?
Yanwangye [-\]: roln111*
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: rroln lost yesterday so he is in another room 
Yanwangye [-\]: oh =( thx Eurogo =D
ebola [11k\]: game over already???
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Geert is thinking
]
;W[fq]
;B[dj]C[Uberdude [4d?\]: good idea in a go tournament
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they have plenty of time
sacrifice1 [12k\]: how old are they ?
radish [6k\]: over 9000
ebola [11k\]: 12 and 13
]
;W[nq]
;B[pn]C[asrai [7k\]: Eurogotv where can we find the latest sgf's from EGC?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: in info of eurogotv1 2 and 3
asrai [7k\]: thank you
ebola [11k\]: where will be next egc?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: finland
conflict: EurogoTV3, what is your middle name?
radish [6k\]: florida
ebola [11k\]: how about cheaper place like belarus???
ebola [11k\]: :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 2011 france 2012 germany
Mot [3k\]: 2011 france ? great ^^
radish [6k\]: france isnt really a country, the UN officially decided it last time they met
]
;W[kc]
;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: tomorrow evening egf meeting will decide about 2013
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: *today
qqqqthd: no need to decide, the world will end by a firey crashing steroid in 2012
Nemerid [-\]: I like this fuseki for black
radish [6k\]: anabolic or metabolic steroid?
ebola [11k\]: is b another dis-owned korean insei?
tsuchigumo [-\]: I suggest the 2013 egf be in Cuba
ebola [11k\]: seriously, I hope they decide on a cheap place
tsuchigumo [-\]: Bangladesh?
tsuchigumo [-\]: We live in a world of global outsourcing, so why not.
qqqqthd: Las vegas is very cheap now
hanskrens [7k\]: nou Geert, gaat niet zo lekker, he?
tsuchigumo [-\]: We need Turkey to join the EGF
radish [6k\]: europe doesnt recognize turkey's existance
Javaness [2d\]: Turkey is in the EGF
Sebastian [2k\]: sure bout that?
]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[ed]
;B[cd]
;W[bc]C[Javaness [2d\]: they are listed on the membership page
]
;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[ba]
;W[eb]
;B[ac]C[Sebastian [2k\]: talked to radish
]
;W[cl]C[radish [6k\]: from what i understand turkey is to europe as mexico is to the united states
holynec [?\]: very important
Sebastian [2k\]: hm who needs borders anyway
ebola [11k\]: like some americans wont recognize mexico as part of north america
holynec [?\]: ebola, werent you 10k earlier...
ebola [11k\]: I was 7k then I got demoted due to lazyness
]
;B[dl]
;W[dk]C[qqqqthd: die Turkey also kicked ass Europe 5-0?
]
;B[ek]
;W[ck]
;B[dm]
;W[cj]
;B[di]C[ebola [11k\]: I did beat a 10k today....
ModernBoy [1d\]: congratulation :|
ebola [11k\]: ty
holynec [?\]: maybe back to 10k in no tim e:\]
]
;W[ci]
;B[dh]
;W[cg]
;B[fl]C[Nemerid [-\]: white R3 now ?
]
;W[rd]
;B[rc]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: q16
]
;W[qe]
;B[pd]
;W[qh]
;B[qi]
;W[ph]
;B[ni]C[ebola [11k\]: b center looks big....
WolfRayeT [6k\]: not for long
holynec [?\]: all bad!
ebola [11k\]: connection closed??
]
;W[ng]
;B[mo]
;W[kq]
;B[pf]
;W[qf]
;B[of]
;W[nh]
;B[oi]
;W[pg]
;B[lh]
;W[nd]
;B[nc]
;W[md]
;B[or]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:13, black 2:14
]
;W[pq]
;B[oq]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[pr]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]
;B[rq]
;W[op]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[mq]
;W[os]
;B[np]
;W[ns]
;B[oo]
;W[rp]
;B[rr]
;W[rs]
;B[lr]
;W[sq]
;B[cq]C[BlueBossa [7k\]: wouldn't have been o4 better than o2 for black ?
]
;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[kr]
;B[ho]
;W[gp]C[ghool: hm nive move h5 
TeeSushi [2d\]: k6 ?
]
;B[ro]
;W[rh]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: b already win by a lot.... 
globax [4d\]: k6 bigger than the side
]
;B[ri]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: b dont think so
]
;W[jn]C[globax [4d\]: w chance
globax [4d\]: b losing move ?
]
;B[cr]
;W[mc]
;B[re]
;W[rf]
;B[sd]
;W[gn]
;B[fs]
;W[ds]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[es]
;W[gs]
;B[cs]
;W[fr]
;B[ie]
;W[jd]
;B[ge]
;W[ff]
;B[gg]
;W[fd]
;B[jm]C[watergun [-\]: b has a better position..
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 0:49, black 1:50
Optymista [4k\]: ktoś lubi pierogi ruskie? albo barszcz?
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;W[kn]
;B[il]C[che [-\]: nice kosumi
Porkypine [8k\]: B has a lot of potential but he's not in the lead, at all
Cassis0 [5d\]: lol
]
;W[km]
;B[kl]
;W[mm]
;B[ll]
;W[mn]C[Porkypine [8k\]: There's an 8 point komi for white and the bottom group is very much alive
]
;B[in]C[Porkypine [8k\]: go geer go ^_^
Porkypine [8k\]: geert*
Cassis0 [5d\]: yeah, w alive everywhere 
Pingu007 [3d\]: funny opposite corners
gdghgjd [1d\]: b can still turn the game
]
;W[kg]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: w has the lead 
Cassis0 [5d\]: b has more points 
Cassis0 [5d\]: b has the lead* 
]
;B[kh]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: "b can still turn the game" is funny :) 
Porkypine [8k\]: What? B doesn't have more points :(
]
;W[ig]C[AntiAdmin [1d?\]: W : Holland, B : Korea --> B has the lead, cqfd
]
;B[kf]C[Porkypine [8k\]: You do realise the ING rules apply here right? :(
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: so ?
sameasyou [2d\]: b is winning this game Porkypine..no matter the rules
sameasyou [2d\]: unless they make very fast a rule that says the player with more points is losing :)
]
;W[mf]C[Korea4K [2d\]: M13
Korea4K [2d\]: M13 big
]
;B[lg]
;W[hf]
;B[gf]
;W[he]
;B[hg]
;W[if]
;B[ih]
;W[jg]
;B[jh]
;W[gd]
;B[lf]C[Kratzdrink [2k\]: game is over
]
;W[ml]
;B[od]
;W[le]
;B[je]
;W[id]
;B[hp]
;W[hq]
;B[go]
;W[fo]
;B[fn]C[Pingu007 [3d\]: e6 then b5?
]
;W[eh]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[gh]
;W[bm]
;B[eo]
;W[fp]
;B[do]C[Lepenski [1k\]: black won
]
;W[ip]
;B[ag]
;W[bh]
;B[nb]C[watergun [-\]: big win by b..
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: White has resigned
chute [2k\]: thanks, Euro
watergun [-\]: thx..
Javaness [2d\]: thanks
globax [4d\]: thx
che [-\]: hm i expected only 150 moves...
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