(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 5 board 1]PW[Jun Sang-Young]PB[Kim Joon Sang]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-07-31]EV[European Go Congress 2009 round 5 board 1]RO[5]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[E. Wester]C[mcw85 [7k\]: What rank is White and Black?
igoplayer [14k\]: hi all
Uberdude [4d?\]: mcw, it says 7d
Uberdude [4d?\]: but that's just a trick
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Hello there, just finished with setting the info
Uberdude [4d?\]: they are really 25k
mcw85 [7k\]: I was joking.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Board 1 and 2 are swapped, so board 2 is on a live feed
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 is actually board 2
mcw85 [7k\]: How confusing.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: The game has started
scurge [5d\]: where are the results of the 4th round please? ( i mean all the results)
holynec [?\]: where is eurogtv2
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;B[pd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I was eurogotv2
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;W[dd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but harry stole my board :P
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;B[pq]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Now, kids, remember what I toaught you about stealing?
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;W[dp]
;B[fq]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: don't trust harrys? 
meuns [2k\]: h3 c3 d3 ?
mandelbrot [1k\]: don't get caught?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Results will be posted during this round I expect
holynec [?\]: so no one is scribing board 2? :k
Ruutana [?\]: The video works fine.
mcw85 [7k\]: Partiall results were posted already.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 2 is scribed
Tobamf [7k?\]: how many players are competing in this tournament?
holynec [?\]: I agree with the video feed
holynec [?\]: I like watching the video match a lot more than any of these -.-
meuns [2k\]: what is doing w ?
meuns [2k\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 2 is in the eurogotv room atm
Tobamf [7k?\]: EuroGoTV1: How many players in total are competing in the tournament?
to [-\]: >.^
Reym: where is board 2 then? i see 2 eurotv3 but no 2
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he forgot to switch rooms
meuns [2k\]: wants he to try an experimental opening ?
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;W[cn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I think there are around 250-260 boards, so over 500
Tobamf [7k?\]: oh geez
Tobamf [7k?\]: how many rounds have been played so far?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is round 5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: of 10
Tobamf [7k?\]: okayt, so each round, then # of players is reduced by 1/2?
TeeSushi [2d\]: no
TeeSushi [2d\]: always same amount of players
TeeSushi [2d\]: macmahon system
Tobamf [7k?\]: okay
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;B[qk]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: who is winning then?
meuns [2k\]: !
Tobamf [7k?\]: or who leads in the tournament?
nhc [1d\]: yes
meuns [2k\]: h3
Nemerid [-\]: ah ah chinese fuseki
nhc [1d\]: this is fun opening
Spinaltap [3d?\]: how do i get to the other room
nhc [1d\]: there was an article discussing this opening in go world
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;W[eq]C[meuns [2k\]: chinese opening is too passive ^^
meuns [2k\]: like sanrensei
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: eurogotv2 now entered english room
Nemerid [-\]: meuns, with F3 stone, this is not really passive
meuns [2k\]: no this stone is attacked
BlitzOff [6k\]: ahh, too many good game to watch!
meuns [2k\]: so
Nemerid [-\]: it aim to pincer if w come at N4
derp [1k\]: usually j4/k4 or so instead of r9
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;B[fp]
;W[jp]C[meuns [2k\]: b can pincer without it... why does he give a weak stone to the opponent ?
meuns [2k\]: seems wierd
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live broadcast of board 2 (not this board) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;B[mp]C[songha [1k\]: wow this is way too many games to watch at once @_@
Nemerid [-\]: I suggest you to explain it at kim joon sang 7d
meuns [2k\]: xD
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;W[hp]C[meuns [2k\]: if you read it, explain me, i am interested 
meuns [2k\]: ^^
qqqqthd: are the korean guest players dominating the tournament so far?
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes
Email [3k\]: always
meuns [2k\]: they are just better ^^
meuns [2k\]: where is fan hui ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: these 2 are the only ones with no loss yet
qqqqthd: is Jiang playing?
TeeSushi [2d\]: (in the super group)
bistrogo [3d\]: who play against ThomasDebarre  today?
Nemerid [-\]: black can pincer without it, of course, but it is better for black if w want to play like this. Because, generaly w answer with P5 and w aim to counter-pincer. But with F3 this is more difficult
qqqqthd: is Fan hui playing?
Email [3k\]: ceirtanly indeed
meuns [2k\]: so b give a weak group to disable the w pincer
Nemerid [-\]: qqqqthd : fan hui never plays egc
qqqqthd: how did he do?
qqqqthd: oh nvm
qqqqthd: nemerid, why not?
Nemerid [-\]: because he is in china
MssrBlanc [3k\]: every year?
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;B[fm]C[meuns [2k\]: !
qqqqthd: moved back or?
Nemerid [-\]: yes every year he goes back to china for one month
meuns [2k\]: black have a plane !
meuns [2k\]: plan
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;W[en]
;B[fn]
;W[go]
;B[fo]
;W[im]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: heavy
Onmyoji [2d\]: 5 in row, nice
meuns [2k\]: nice stick
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;B[dl]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]: lol
derp [1k\]: interesting shapes
meuns [2k\]: b8 ?
Lancetre [1k\]: b8 too passive
Markes [2d?\]: f 9 ?
meuns [2k\]: b8 makes b floating
Reym: e8?
Lancetre [1k\]: h4 is not completely stable
truestyle [20k?\]: thick wall
meuns [2k\]: but next c14 is frustrating
Reym: sorry e8 bad ladder
ilkaRUS [9k\]: d11?
pegu [1k\]: e7 cut?
poukram [2d\]: but then f8 will be weak ?
modgethanc [18k\]: e8 cut?
meuns [2k\]: no
meuns [2k\]: ladder
modgethanc [18k\]: i see
meuns [2k\]: how to restond to b H6 ?
meuns [2k\]: respond*
Cassis0 [5d\]: h6 j6? 
fhtjtj: tenuki
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;W[dj]C[meuns [2k\]: h6 j6 h5 ?
Cassis0 [5d\]: j5 
Cassis0 [5d\]: et blanc dit merci :p 
meuns [2k\]: ah ok
meuns [2k\]: ^^
meuns [2k\]: w prevents c14 !
meuns [2k\]: or not ^^
globax [4d\]: b8 2ème ligne = yose = game finished
meuns [2k\]: yes ^^'
fhtjtj: b wins the game.
meuns [2k\]: hard to say
poukram [2d\]: not yet, it's ko now 
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;B[cm]C[meuns [2k\]: ko ?
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;W[dn]C[fhtjtj: this is ironic, i'm sitting here wayching it on kgs
fhtjtj: while a 20m walk could get me a real-life view
AntiAngel [5k?\]: where are the results for round 4 ? 
fhtjtj: internet
fhtjtj: if not, ask and i'll tell you
modgethanc [18k\]: yes, but can you make snarky comments over the game like we are now? :)
meuns [2k\]: snarky ?
meuns [2k\]: snaky ?
fhtjtj: that, and i would have to stand
qgo [4k\]: goedemorgen Harrie
AntiAngel [5k?\]: they should upload a new walllist 
meuns [2k\]: i don't like w here
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I'm not Harry, he's eurogotv2 today
fhtjtj: it's not harry :)
qgo [4k\]: well good morning anyway
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: He snitched my board :P
fhtjtj: @angel: any specific questions?
fhtjtj: i have the list here
meuns [2k\]: w is sealed ?
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;B[ej]C[WatariWill [6k\]: is white that korean female pro?
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;W[di]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both male
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;B[ek]
;W[gl]C[WatariWill [6k\]: both korean ex-insei (or whatever the korean word for insei is)?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you mean Yoon Youngsun
WatariWill [6k\]: yes that's the one :)
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;B[hm]C[meuns [2k\]: fight !
WolfRayeT [6k\]: but its young-soon^^
thekaiser [2d\]: lvl please?
WolfRayeT [6k\]: or?
WolfRayeT [6k\]: 79 xD
WolfRayeT [6k\]: paladin^^
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;W[il]
;B[hl]C[meuns [2k\]: ho ho ho !
meuns [2k\]: B L O O D
poukram [2d\]: is that some korean joseki ?
meuns [2k\]: maybe ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 2:15, b: 2:12
fhtjtj: korean joseki = super cut
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;W[ik]
;B[hk]C[meuns [2k\]: b settled
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;W[ij]C[meuns [2k\]: G8 was an overplay ?
fhtjtj: there is no overplay when koreans play
Ruutana [?\]: White doesn't look so bad.
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;B[hn]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: can you enter whites next move on board 2 since harry is gone?
meuns [2k\]: lol
fhtjtj: lol
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;W[in]C[fhtjtj: there you go
meuns [2k\]: 5 in a row !
meuns [2k\]: koreans like this game :D
modgethanc [18k\]: stick fight!
Sebastian [2k\]: yeah all koreans on the world sure..
modgethanc [18k\]: who can grow theirs the longest? :)
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;B[df]
;W[ei]
;B[gi]C[meuns [2k\]: wow !
Spinaltap [3d?\]: thats what she said? 
meuns [2k\]: b is agressive !
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tried to fix board 2, but Harry came back before I could check the status
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;W[gh]C[zifir [-\]: w is also too meuns ^^
meuns [2k\]: now this game will be a mess
meuns [2k\]: ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: h11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white plays very aggressive it seems to me
meuns [2k\]: f3 maked him angry ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: h11 or f11
meuns [2k\]: f11 seems good for w :s
Spinaltap [3d?\]: this whole time ive been wondering what happens on c3
meuns [2k\]: c3 d2 ?
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;B[ff]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ah
wotan123 [2d\]: surprise
meuns [2k\]: this game will be short ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: i think it will be very fighting game
fhtjtj: 2 top koreans
fhtjtj: what else do you expect
wotan123 [2d\]: nothing else
fhtjtj: still a weird fight
meuns [2k\]: if D16 sealed by b, b wins this game
tsuchigumo [-\]: b looks alive already as he has h5
meuns [2k\]: if E11 captured, b also wins
wotan123 [2d\]: yes h5 helps a lot
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;W[eg]
;B[ef]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: and probably an eye at the bottom as well
wotan123 [2d\]: therefore b played tenuki
tsuchigumo [-\]: so focus moves to top
wotan123 [2d\]: agree
Spinaltap [3d?\]: and f16?
qqqqthd: i would expect this kind of fight from two koren 4-5d amateurs, but not top amateurs
wotan123 [2d\]: i like this semeai games
qqqqthd: korean
fhtjtj: why not
meuns [2k\]: they are stronger than lee kibong
Spinaltap [3d?\]: all they do is fight heh
fhtjtj: lee sedol plays like this
meuns [2k\]: and lee kibong is a top korean amateyr
songha [1k\]: leakybong
meuns [2k\]: ^^
fhtjtj: all korean pros are like this, so why not the 7 amateurs
BernD [6k?\]: when black played r 9 after approaching with f3 there was no real chance to compromise
fhtjtj: 7d
meuns [2k\]: g17 ?
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;W[gj]C[meuns [2k\]: f16 
qqqqthd: fighting, but not so much contacts so early
qqqqthd: even for koreans
wotan123 [2d\]: run to the hills, run for your life
Larrave [3k\]: ^^
Larrave [3k\]: iron maiden
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
fhtjtj: i have a nice quote from catalin taranu:
qqqqthd: it's rare
fhtjtj: i killed a big group
fhtjtj: too bad it was mine
qqqqthd: unusual
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
Larrave [3k\]: hehe
Larrave [3k\]: y
Larrave [3k\]: catalin peaceful;p
wotan123 [2d\]: catalin is a nice guy
fhtjtj: any1 knows if he plays basketball?
fhtjtj: just missed my chance to ask him
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;B[fi]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: my guess is white f10
meuns [2k\]: ^^
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yep
meuns [2k\]: too big trade
Spinaltap [3d?\]: guess b not worried about stick group 
wotan123 [2d\]: f12
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;W[fj]C[meuns [2k\]: !
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
kukulis4 [2d\]: white group goes unede attack
MssrBlanc [3k\]: is wotan123 the name of a show for children?
MssrBlanc [3k\]: I hope it is
wotan123 [2d\]: dont know 
meuns [2k\]: wotan is an old religion ?
wotan123 [2d\]: dont look shows for children
kukulis4 [2d\]: my guess is black F12 now
qqqqthd: seems b miss
CoolSoul: >.>
tonyp [3d\]: I have to admit that F11 really durprised me
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;B[fh]
;W[hj]C[tonyp [3d\]: surprised me too
rikiyu [5k\]: Wotan (Wagner: Das Rheingold; Die Walküre; Siegfried). Bass-Baritone. Ruler of the gods. Husband of Fricka and father of the Valkyries by the earth-goddess Erda. He has also fathered mortal children. Before the start of the opera, he gouged out one of his eyes in his quest to acquire wisdom. His ambition to rule the world leads to the downfall of the gods.
MssrBlanc [3k\]: yes, I was imagining a children's show about pagan religion
qqqqthd: w can f8
kukulis4 [2d\]: I guess black F13 now
kkwett [2k\]: group D10 weak
wotan123 [2d\]: dont like the term pagan religion
fhtjtj: koreans give me headache again
meuns [2k\]: d10 dead
kukulis4 [2d\]: and white F8
bv4 [2k\]: or d13 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: d13 :)
wotan123 [2d\]: pagan sounds prejudge
kukulis4 [2d\]: looks good to me
Spinaltap [3d?\]: if b doesnt g9 f8 looks like it kills just about everything 
sacrifice1 [12k\]: I think D 12 is a good choice
qqqqthd: b in big trouble
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;B[fl]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]: well maybe he can find some life underneeth and still kill d10
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;W[fg]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Good move i think
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;B[eh]
;W[dg]C[fhtjtj: as i said, b wins
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;B[dh]
;W[cg]
;B[ch]C[meuns [2k\]: big trade....
meuns [2k\]: what was i saying
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;W[bg]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: I think white got more
meuns [2k\]: he secures D16
TeeSushi [2d\]: i wonder what top pros think about this game so far ^^
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;B[bh]C[fhtjtj: depends on the nationality
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;W[ce]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: i think b is ok
Sebastian [2k\]: depends on the pro
meuns [2k\]: and sente !
kkwett [2k\]: c10 ?
meuns [2k\]: F14 will suffer and w will get the top !
meuns [2k\]: just cute
tonyp [3d\]: w b10 seems threatening
bv4 [2k\]: b has sente?
meuns [2k\]: no
xxxstar [7d\]: this aji too bad..
meuns [2k\]: w have sente
bv4 [2k\]: k
sacrifice1 [12k\]: D15 is good =))
tsuchigumo [-\]: which aji are you referring to
meuns [2k\]: no
wotan123 [2d\]: f17
xxxstar [7d\]: K16.. .. hehe
meuns [2k\]: ^^
Nemerid [-\]: black should add c10 ?
kkwett [2k\]: h15 for white
globax [4d\]: yes, c10 mandatory
kukulis4 [2d\]: black must prevent c10
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
wotan123 [2d\]: i see now
wotan123 [2d\]: but damn gote
meuns [2k\]: w have sente !
wotan123 [2d\]: sente claus
meuns [2k\]: w is winning this game on this trade
qqqqthd: a13 b sente!
TeeSushi [2d\]: if corner is alive with no problems then i think this is good for w
wotan123 [2d\]: agree
meuns [2k\]: indeed
meuns [2k\]: very good ^^
dogbert [3d\]: are they playing go? or something like a connect5:)
LeT63 [1d\]: but on the right are only black stones
sefil3k [2k\]: k16
meuns [2k\]: top can't be black here
Muscadet [?\]: c8 = ko aji in the corner
Spinaltap [3d?\]: its a shame for b to have to go back and play c10 here
Yanwangye [-\]: ^^
meuns [2k\]: he choosed to play yhis way... maybe he have a good plan
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;B[fc]C[odolany [3k\]: h13 first   ok?
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
BlackLotus [9k\]: I dont see this item in video why?
meuns [2k\]: !
meuns [2k\]: he wants the top 
meuns [2k\]: !
Spinaltap [3d?\]: wow
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;W[ec]C[Yanwangye [-\]: for wich contry are they playing?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: video feed is on board 2
wotan123 [2d\]: he decided c10 gote is to painfull
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;B[fd]C[meuns [2k\]: he sacrifices 25 points here !
Spinaltap [3d?\]: oh i see
dogbert [3d\]: j16
meuns [2k\]: whatta game ! /D
Spinaltap [3d?\]: if b10 c10 heh a little oversight
sefil3k [2k\]: k16
copyright [2d\]: b10 
meuns [2k\]: b10 is maybe too small
meuns [2k\]: w should attack F16 before
kukulis4 [2d\]: it looks that black doesnt need b10
reilgh [3k?\]: b10 c10
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yeah we all misread it
kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah
tsuchigumo [-\]: I see no kill for w at all
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;W[id]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: b has aq13 sente
tsuchigumo [-\]: a13*
Spinaltap [3d?\]: or at least i did hehe 
tsuchigumo [-\]: makes a difference
kukulis4 [2d\]: so if black played b10, it would be almost like pass and f14 group would be absolutely dead
scampadour [3k\]: c17
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be j17 ?
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;B[hf]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: I love the way b correct shape
Andokai [-\]: which contries are them playin´for?
fhtjtj: lol@tsuchigomo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Both Korea
jinkidie [15k\]: video link has scrolled off
wotan123 [2d\]: im not sure, but the left side looks ko with b11
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;W[hc]C[truestyle [20k?\]: hn
qqqqthd: b will regret this (not giving up the d14 stones)
huggy [3k\]: h11?
Andokai [-\]: but I thougt its an european  cup?
wotan123 [2d\]: yes it is
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: open cup, just the strongest european becomes champion
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: last year, Catalin became champion but was 5th in the tournament
Yanwangye [-\]: but why they are play for korea? xD
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: You play for yourself, it's just their nationality
Andokai [-\]: thats why i asked which countries are them playing for? or is that cup just organisated by eupeans?
Athanor [-\]: wseveral koreans went here to promote their baduk academy
TeeSushi [2d\]: last one
meuns [2k\]: incredible game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the cup is organized in Europe and it is the European Championship, but the tournament is open to the world
pirx [1k\]: i also read ko
Andokai [-\]: thx  =D
Yanwangye [-\]: ok thx euroGO
wotan123 [2d\]: what is good for the european players
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;B[ie]C[wotan123 [2d\]: so they can learn a lot
qqqqthd: it's good for the top european players to play more against some of the top amateurs from CJK, otherwise if they just play each other every year they will not improve much
meuns [2k\]: i prefer to watch koreans than europeans players
meuns [2k\]: ^^
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;W[je]C[wotan123 [2d\]: qqqqthd: thats the point
feafft: catalin got beat by that kid yesterday?
meuns [2k\]: ^^
meuns [2k\]: just too strong ^^
meuns [2k\]: another big trade ?
truestyle [20k?\]: :D
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;B[fb]C[meuns [2k\]: h11 
wolokom [5k\]: g 15?
rikiyu [5k\]: b is so strong that Chuck Norris might not kill all his stones...
Spinaltap [3d?\]: so complicated 
songha [1k\]: their moves just ooze with power
meuns [2k\]: chuck can cut a bamboo joint and fill eyes
songha [1k\]: chuck can suicide
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
meuns [2k\]: ^^
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;W[ge]C[wotan123 [2d\]: but mister miyagi was stronger than chuck
duha: chuck could eat all stones and goban and shit a pian
Spinaltap [3d?\]: Chuck Norris would just order b's stones to kill themselves silly
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;B[gf]
;W[jf]C[duha: *piano
meuns [2k\]: hoho
fhtjtj: is b dying right now
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;B[cc]C[modgethanc [18k\]: chuck norris can win even after giving you a 361 stone handi
KlerChazal [-\]: so is w
shifter [2k\]: chuck norris jokes are in fact not funny
meuns [2k\]: no 360 stones ^ 
Spinaltap [3d?\]: lol
wotan123 [2d\]: for all chuck norris fans look the fight chuck versus bruce lee
meuns [2k\]: suicide isn't permitted by japanses rules
jinkidie [15k\]: but thats self atari
KlerChazal [-\]: lol meuns
meuns [2k\]: d18 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w contemplating b11 it seems
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;W[bi]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and played
wotan123 [2d\]: my ko!!
shifter [2k\]: says the guy who places stone on the board
shifter [2k\]: how easy is that!
shifter [2k\]: :p
LeT63 [1d\]: its their ko
Spinaltap [3d?\]: no clue whos dieing and whos living here 
meuns [2k\]: quick game !
wolokom [5k\]: e 18 ?
KlerChazal [-\]: yea spinal
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;B[ci]C[KlerChazal [-\]: just enjoying the show :)
meuns [2k\]: d18 bad
huggy [3k\]: meuns!
meuns [2k\]: yes?
huggy [3k\]: i love ur exclamation marks!
meuns [2k\]: !
huggy [3k\]: soo authoritative!
meuns [2k\]: ^^'
Hanne [3k\]: lol !
KlerChazal [-\]: tyst !
meuns [2k\]: please don't copy !
Hanne [3k\]: why would i !
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;W[cj]C[duha: please ban me i have to go back to work!
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;B[bj]
;W[bk]
;B[ai]
;W[ck]C[meuns [2k\]: where is javaness ?
KoshiKun [6k\]: H11?
KlerChazal [-\]: in EGC maybe
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;B[bl]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: oh noes
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;W[ak]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: other group dead then
meuns [2k\]: c10 was necessary ?
meuns [2k\]: ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: its ko
Hanne [3k\]: B NEEDS A VERY BIG KO THREAT
KoshiKun [6k\]: b needs chuck norris!
wotan123 [2d\]: c10 was damn gote
meuns [2k\]: this ko is damn big
meuns [2k\]: ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: yes, not little
stalkor [4k\]: game deciding ko
meuns [2k\]: maybe
murai [3d\]: no
meuns [2k\]: i like the right side on this board
meuns [2k\]: ^^
TsuiokuHen [6k\]: same :D
murai [3d\]: lot of space for black in the east
Threepwood [-\]: hard to find ko threat :/
kukulis4 [2d\]: this si two steps ko for white I think
kukulis4 [2d\]: or
wolokom [5k\]: but the west
KlerChazal [-\]: no
kukulis4 [2d\]: I mean white first to find a threat
wotan123 [2d\]: the sun is rising in the east
Hanne [3k\]: a ko of this size will collapse into a singularity sooner or later
wotan123 [2d\]: singularity ;-)
tonyp [3d\]: b can't support this ko
meuns [2k\]: the math term ?
wotan123 [2d\]: also in physics
kukulis4 [2d\]: Hanne: what you mean singularity?
veteran [1d\]: B can push at c14 then cut at b15 so he can play a10 and win semeai with 7 stones below
legendia [2k\]: a10 a13 a 8 a 12 c8 then h11 and d9 eat no ?
mccrusty [2k\]: black hole
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
Hanne [3k\]: see here for a graphic illustration: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/BH_LMC.png
wotan123 [2d\]: i see goplayers are well  educated people
Icare [1d\]: c14 b14 b15 a10 and no ko b win ?
PooH [5k\]: is there any threats for b?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black a8, white a10, black c8 white b11, black a12, white a13, black b10
meuns [2k\]: blakc hole ?
veteran [1d\]: however that will give W advantage in semeai above.  This is W strategy
sacrifice1 [12k\]: black should play  H11
Spinaltap [3d?\]: d14 
Spinaltap [3d?\]: er.. c14
KoshiKun [6k\]: not really
sacrifice1 [12k\]: H11
veteran [1d\]: c14 or ko
KoshiKun [6k\]: sacrifise
KoshiKun [6k\]: b h11 w K12
KoshiKun [6k\]: K12*
kukulis4 [2d\]: hanne: this picture is made by computer, or it is a photo ?
KoshiKun [6k\]: j12*
sacrifice1 [12k\]: h11
Spinaltap [3d?\]: c14 looks like it kills without ko actually
tamagoshi [?\]: useless h11 ^^
Hanne [3k\]: it's computed, of course
Spinaltap [3d?\]: c14 b14 b15 and w has to spend for for a3
MaLa [2d\]: @spinaltap still ko for bottom group
Spinaltap [3d?\]: er.. a13
BernD [6k?\]: i think black uses this stones to get forcing moves on both side to stabalize...then the fight will turn to the right
Goatliness [4k?\]: Oooh, a twitterism.
wolokom [5k\]: all the b are suffering
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b h11 ,w k12 , b j12
MaLa [2d\]: @spinaltap white can get a kolib on his Cc7 group, then cut at C8
KoshiKun [6k\]: sacrifise
KoshiKun [6k\]: its b h11 w j12
KoshiKun [6k\]: not k 12
Spinaltap [3d?\]: oh wait yea its still ko from just the h11 side
MaLa [2d\]: yeah, but that side is also huge
Yanwangye [-\]: koshi shut up pls, thx
sacrifice1 [12k\]: then b play k11
MaLa [2d\]: even though the topleft would be already black
meuns [2k\]: two step ko for w...
Spinaltap [3d?\]: im going to give up trying to read this, hurting my brain
meuns [2k\]: too bad
]
;B[cd]C[sacrifice1 [12k\]: b h11 ,w j12 ,b k11
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
MaLa [2d\]: uh???
meuns [2k\]: resignation is coming
KoshiKun [6k\]: wow
Icare [1d\]: sacrifice
meuns [2k\]: no
KoshiKun [6k\]: unexpected
rikiyu [4k\]: !@#$$%^&*()
meuns [2k\]: two step
fhtjtj: b wins
meuns [2k\]: now it's one step
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: noone at board atm
Icare [1d\]: it had never been a two step ko...
evave [4k\]: a13 
PooH [5k\]: so now white has a problem to get f3 to live
TeeSushi [2d\]: a13 and capture the black stones?
duha: lunch break?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: a13 no good i think cause of c14
veteran [1d\]: a13 no good
veteran [1d\]: d15 possible
MaLa [2d\]: not really
TeeSushi [2d\]: oh sry xD
wotan123 [2d\]: both need a cup of coffe now
veteran [1d\]: b15 better I suppose
Icare [1d\]: black try to make nearly life in the corner with forcing move and then c14 to kill or A8 to ko depending on w move
evave [4k\]: h11 then
wolokom [5k\]: a small h(i)ystery game
starsailor [8k\]: d15 bad for w
norgkost [12k\]: why d15 bad?
Umaguma [3k\]: it dont gain no libs ....I belive
wolokom [5k\]: something must live
evave [4k\]: b15 its not bas .. its still one step ko n that will bebad
]
;W[de]
;B[be]C[evave [4k\]: d15*
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
]
;W[cf]C[evave [4k\]: wow
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:48, b: 1:36
evave [4k\]: im always wrong
]
;B[cl]
;W[aj]C[zyklop [1d\]: terryfying ko
bv4 [2k\]: this game will provid some nice problems fo goproblems .com
evave [4k\]: huge ko
veteran [1d\]: W stakes game on ko
veteran [1d\]: with d15
KoshiKun [6k\]: how many bios and how much each bio?
geronimo [1d\]: no choice
]
;B[eb]
;W[bi]
;B[cq]C[evave [4k\]: wth
evave [4k\]: b let w have it?
veteran [1d\]: but B has ko ammo
MaLa [2d\]: nice :)
wotan123 [2d\]: c3 the big aji
norgkost [12k\]: says 1 time 1 minute
Spinaltap [3d?\]: ouch
tsuchigumo [-\]: w can win ko but lose 2 corners - gain for b
huggy [3k\]: this looks good for b 
veteran [1d\]: y
veteran [1d\]: first blood to B
]
;W[er]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: ko is only 30 points, so b needs more than 2 x 15 to profit
evave [4k\]: doesnt look too good to me
MaLa [2d\]: only 30 points???
MaLa [2d\]: what do you count?
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
bv4 [2k\]: f8 is not save any more remeber...
wotan123 [2d\]: this ko is uncountable big
MaLa [2d\]: blacks group below, whites group above are not alive yet...
tsuchigumo [-\]: b stones = 20, and b catored only 10 points with proper yose
tsuchigumo [-\]: captured*
evave [4k\]: btw its still ko for b in gote
]
;B[bj]C[veteran [1d\]: ko about 50
tsuchigumo [-\]: issue is for b to play threats that secure life for his group below
]
;W[bd]C[vingol [1d\]: ko is about 65 points
]
;B[bc]C[huffle [1d\]: more like 70
]
;W[bi]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: how do you figure that?
evave [4k\]: ??
]
;B[cp]C[evave [4k\]: y?
wotan123 [2d\]: this ko is so big, that counting is not needed
jinkidie [15k\]: looks like this could all blow apart at any second
huffle [1d\]: w stones above also
bobstep [4k?\]: because top w stones will die too
veteran [1d\]: diff between B +30 and W + 20
Icare [1d\]: b play is so cool
evave [4k\]: b6  better?
tsuchigumo [-\]: w must win the ko, so the value is only 30 +, ie the loss to b compared with previous status quo
norgkost [12k\]: if white wins KO, G14 dead?
veteran [1d\]: no must win tsuchi
vingol [1d\]: 10 stones*2 b + 19 stones *2 w +around= 65-70p
veteran [1d\]: wrong way to count
tsuchigumo [-\]: no no, this is a wrong was to calculate it
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
tsuchigumo [-\]: way*
zyklop [1d\]: w b6 and , w connects and b gets the corner ^^
YusufS [2k\]: norgkost g14 is not dead if white wins ko 
tsuchigumo [-\]: b is planning to lose the ko
tsuchigumo [-\]: but take more profit
norgkost [12k\]: ok thanks
geronimo [1d\]: but f3 will be
]
;W[bn]C[veteran [1d\]: value of ko is difference between W wins it and B wins it
zyklop [1d\]: :)
wotan123 [2d\]: ah
wotan123 [2d\]: both are so cool
zyklop [1d\]: yes
kkwett [2k\]: if b win the ko, game is over
fab [-\]: there are (at least) two different questions you can ask about a ko, tsuchigumo : "what do I gain or lose by playing this ko ?" (this allows you to decide whether to play it or not) and "how much is it worth ?" (when playing it)
Spinaltap [3d?\]: ahh nice now he can take and connect underneeth
bv4 [2k\]: troubles of b seem to get worse
]
;B[bj]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
bobstep [4k?\]: h11
]
;W[dc]C[wotan123 [2d\]: this position is needs a long analysis
Spinaltap [3d?\]: c4 supprized me thought he was gona do b6 to stop that
tsuchigumo [-\]: I expected b6 too
wolokom [5k\]: now i have headake
rikiyu [4k\]: A8
che [-\]: Strong game :)
bobstep [4k?\]: or b5
zyklop [1d\]: really fun game
KlerChazal [-\]: could we have an idea of the remaining time?
jinkidie [15k\]: no headaches here :)
evave [4k\]: d9 
che [-\]: always much time left ^^
starsailor [8k\]: w*d15-b*c14-w*b14-b*b15-w*b16-b*a15-w*a16-b*a8-w*a10-b*c8-w*b11-b*a12-w*h11-b*b11- and ko
fab [-\]: the problem is, D9 or A8 is still a ko for black
KoshiKun [6k\]: each one has like an hour left
pirx [1k\]: a8 game over
fab [-\]: I don't think black can overturn this game
veteran [1d\]: good game for a lesson!
zc3k [1k\]: every plr here
wotan123 [2d\]: for many lessons
huggy [3k\]: b can ignore and still live in corner?
evave [4k\]: c4  was bad
veteran [1d\]: game just beginning, fab
evave [4k\]: b can live but cnt win ko
zyklop [1d\]: i like c4
vingol [1d\]: but it may soon be over
wotan123 [2d\]: or not
veteran [1d\]: not likely
evave [4k\]: the problem with c4 is b6  .... if w takes ko, b have to a8 
geronimo [1d\]: b has still ko threats at the bottom
Lino [1d\]: evave if w wins ko why would he want to connect underneath ?
geronimo [1d\]: to save b6 stones
veteran [1d\]: nothing wrong with d18
zyklop [1d\]: now b f2 will threaten to connect to c3 , c4 that brings life to b´s downleft group
vingol [1d\]: d18 OK but he thinks about tenuki
evave [4k\]: hmmm ....lets say b plays a threat that can kill d6 , but now w can take ko first n then respomce
zc3k [1k\]: game over?
veteran [1d\]: tenuki being d9?
tamagoshi [?\]: a8 seem to be cool for b ?
vingol [1d\]: a8 better then d9
evave [4k\]: d18  no choice
veteran [1d\]: choice a8, d9, d18
geronimo [1d\]: who kills first at the top if b a8
evave [4k\]: g14  bigger than bottom
rikiyu [4k\]: are they having lunch?
mithmartin [3d\]: b has only the H11 threat.. 
evave [4k\]: lol .. h11 self kill
evave [4k\]: :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:43, b: 1:22
Spinaltap [3d?\]: a8 why not lol
wolokom [5k\]: was this a ko THREAT?
mithmartin [3d\]: ah, h11 doesn't work :)
zc3k [1k\]: res time soon?
veteran [1d\]: no
jinkidie [15k\]: well if res= respirator....
mithmartin [3d\]: so, black has no threats..
veteran [1d\]: not any time soon
bartosh [4k\]: how much time do they have in egc?
geronimo [1d\]: a8 looks good
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: top board 2.5 hours
Mocramis [4k\]: hmmm what is the tv assotiated
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and 1 min byo
veteran [1d\]: c5 is ko threat
bartosh [4k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tv is on board 2
Mocramis [4k\]: it don't look like the movie on eurogotv1 ....
mithmartin [3d\]: no, c5 its not good.. cause white can connect at a8 now
mithmartin [3d\]: its not big enough
yithril [2d\]: its nice cuz i know when breakfast will play so i can watch this :)
evave [4k\]: h11works i guess
veteran [1d\]: a8 loses lib
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: We prefer to film two Europeans ;)
evave [4k\]: ??
Mocramis [4k\]: ok
rikiyu [4k\]: please MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mocramis [4k\]: how many time for both ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I just told time
geronimo [1d\]: a8 kills
che [-\]: this is so hard to read
yithril [2d\]: do the korean players have citizinsihp in their respective countries
copyright [2d\]: ignored
yithril [2d\]: citizenship
copyright [2d\]: a8 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:43, b: 1:18
evave [4k\]: some1 please ping me when they play next move
zc3k [1k\]: wait till girl's kiss
pirx [1k\]: d18 and c6 is dead
zc3k [1k\]: death everywhere
wotan123 [2d\]: che: i dont read this now, i will analyse it later in some parts
wotan123 [2d\]: its really not easy
]
;B[db]C[evave [4k\]: yes
evave [4k\]: :)
albundy [2k\]: ping
wotan123 [2d\]: pong
evave [4k\]: ty
lesid [4k\]: their heads are going to explode
]
;W[bi]C[Kyuss [1k\]: i doubt it
pirx [1k\]: a8
evave [4k\]: c5  wont wok
Kyuss [1k\]: their ears might redden tho
wotan123 [2d\]: the red ear tesuji
kukulis4 [2d\]: black e4
]
;B[fr]C[Kyuss [1k\]: seems too small
gojustingo [8k\]: who was playing on eurogotv1 this time yesterday?
veteran [1d\]: next e4
tsuchigumo [-\]: oh, this looks like compromise
bobstep [4k?\]: I would ignore, w probably won't
ben0 [5d\]: difficult to see who is dead and who is alive -___-
veteran [1d\]: good threat
]
;W[al]C[copyright [2d\]: hehe
wolokom [5k\]: NOT at all
tsuchigumo [-\]: Cannot figure why b allowed b6
Spinaltap [3d?\]: told yall that connection would come in handy hehe
]
;B[do]C[wotan123 [2d\]: exchange and ending this headache ko
che [-\]: tenuki
]
;W[nc]C[che [-\]: :)
evave [4k\]: e5  small?
]
;B[pf]C[evave [4k\]: o17  big
mithmartin [3d\]: e5 doesn't work
]
;W[qo]C[ben0 [5d\]: e5 doesn't work
ben0 [5d\]: oups
]
;B[qp]C[ben0 [5d\]: too late :)
]
;W[op]C[wotan123 [2d\]: now the game is again fluid
tsuchigumo [-\]: So, the swing from the ko was 30 ish points, b got the top left corner and and most of lower left
Spinaltap [3d?\]: so whos ahead?
wolokom [5k\]: b
che [-\]: I prefer b but I dont have a clue who's ahead
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count b+20.5
gojustingo [8k\]: p3 
PooH [5k\]: i would say b is ahead, but still easy for white do reduce 
tsuchigumo [-\]: Impressive game.
tsuchigumo [-\]: These 2 look stronger than the rest of the field to my untutored eyes
PooH [5k\]: and reduction aound p6-12 gives nice moyo
vingol [1d\]: it all depends on w reducing skills
wotan123 [2d\]: looks even to me
Spinaltap [3d?\]: that wall looks like it'll be a good help in reducing 
PooH [5k\]: i think white wall makes it a bit easier to reduce b
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
gojustingo [8k\]: a sacrifice at r12  may help w's reduction
wolokom [5k\]: but at the end perhaps 1/5 point
]
;B[pp]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: empty triangle ;)
wotan123 [2d\]: at the end 0.5 for one side ;-)
veteran [1d\]: looks even , maybe B +=
zyklop [1d\]: nice shape
]
;W[oo]C[che [-\]: empty triangle= good korean shape
vingol [1d\]: they call this fighting triangle
]
;B[oq]
;W[po]C[derp [1k\]: actually no 0.5 pts, they play with 8 komi and b wins ties
]
;B[mn]C[veteran [1d\]: and B got 3 big ko threats left
gojustingo [8k\]: q12 q11 
MaLa [2d\]: which is the same as 7.5 komi
wotan123 [2d\]: yes che, korean players proves that empty triangle is good shape
MaLa [2d\]: ...
che [-\]: no draw games possible?
meuns [2k\]: whatta game
gojustingo [8k\]: p8 
sfrex [2k\]: 肯定是黑好
derp [1k\]: yes, but strictly speaking, it won't be 0.5 game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 8 points komi, black wins with draw
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
fractic [1k\]: but draws are quite hard in the first place
PooH [5k\]: well sometimes even books says that empty triangle is the best move
fractic [1k\]: requires sekis with odd number of dame
che [-\]: I prefer it when jigo is possible
meuns [2k\]: no jigo
veteran [1d\]: if another ko which you would tend to rule in for a Korean fighting  game
]
;W[nm]C[meuns [2k\]: b seems ahead here
wotan123 [2d\]: seems
sefil3k [2k\]: m16
gojustingo [8k\]: n7 
vingol [1d\]: now w profit from wall
che [-\]: what superko rules apply in this tournament?
meuns [2k\]: the classic
Violence [-\]: ING superko rules
meuns [2k\]: ing !
fractic [1k\]: no it's simplified ING rules
]
;B[pi]C[fractic [1k\]: so it's just normal positional superko
Violence [-\]: no repeated positions with same captured stones and same player to move
meuns [2k\]: Q11 :s
wolokom [5k\]: but every trepp is for white this is huge
meuns [2k\]: b is ahead
huggy [3k\]: !
meuns [2k\]: :D
Kyuss [1k\]: do the rules really matter? i bet the result would be the same with jap rules
kukulis4 [2d\]: can white afford to play r17 ?
PooH [5k\]: it is starting to look really worrysome for w
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: at most 1 point off
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: unless sekis etc
wotan123 [2d\]: i would chose also b, but this does not mean b is ahead
che [-\]: Kyuss not if a seki is on the board
meuns [2k\]: e5 sente no ?
gojustingo [8k\]: w will never play n5 
Mocramis [4k\]: the result could be one point different qitn japanese rules
evave [4k\]: w screwed up :P
evave [4k\]: what seki?
hellas [7k\]: 40 moves w resign i bet a nut for
veteran [1d\]: I think B ahead
Cassis0 [5d\]: r17
tsuchigumo [-\]: b seems to have more possibilities
wolokom [5k\]: r 17 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: no other points except killed black group for white
MythRealm [1k\]: +w still has weak group
tsuchigumo [-\]: and solid everywhere
sefil3k [2k\]: r17 hurts o17
PooH [5k\]: now its hard for white to use the wall efficiently
veteran [1d\]: W has 3-3 top right?
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
evave [4k\]: q18 soft
wotan123 [2d\]: but it is enough?
meuns [2k\]: sansan is gote no ?
Mocramis [4k\]: yes
evave [4k\]: ya
kukulis4 [2d\]: if white can survive with R5, then r17 is the only move, I think
]
;W[qc]
;B[pc]C[SuperSonic [-\]: ppl, pls count - then judge
]
;W[pb]C[mazboy008 [2k\]: ya ya
]
;B[qd]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ...
truestyle [20k?\]: :o
evave [4k\]: wow
wotan123 [2d\]: no question about it
gojustingo [8k\]: r18 
evave [4k\]: i thought b wud p18 
meuns [2k\]: s18
]
;W[mm]C[Mocramis [4k\]: O_o
wotan123 [2d\]: hui
SakanaEio [3d\]: clever
TeeSushi [2d\]: black is ahead on teritory
kukulis4 [2d\]: weird
veteran [1d\]: why not s18?
gojustingo [8k\]: o6 
sefil3k [2k\]: p18
tsuchigumo [-\]: smakll force by w  before n7 which was urgent
kukulis4 [2d\]: black P18 not good ?
meuns [2k\]: seems greedy and gote
Obsession [9k\]: stop asking questions
meuns [2k\]: (p18)
hellas [7k\]: b o15
MythRealm [1k\]: W might try make teritory in middle
kukulis4 [2d\]: black P18, white S18
Moyonnaise [?\]: What did white gain by playing R17 and q18, but not playing s18?
tsuchigumo [-\]: w can still live after p18
evave [4k\]: n16 ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: b p18 makes ko in the corner 
veteran [1d\]: p18 looks good
gojustingo [8k\]: if white returns aprox ten pts?
tsuchigumo [-\]: r18 is better i think
fhtjtj: b wins.
sefil3k [2k\]: b l3 also big
Mocramis [4k\]: would'nt r18 be enouth for black ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: b r18 is worse than the simple q18 
sefil3k [2k\]: l3 big but gote
kukulis4 [2d\]: white tries to complicate a game
fatihsulak [2d\]: if black plays r18 he will be forced to a worse position 
evave [4k\]: b p18 w s18 
fatihsulak [2d\]: if he plays p18 there is a ko in the corner 
fatihsulak [2d\]: so best answer is p18 for black imo 
evave [4k\]: no
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may simply play R18
evave [4k\]: how ko?
tsuchigumo [-\]: maybe b can use cut at k16 somehow
]
;B[kq]
;W[rb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: if black R18, white p18, black gets sente
]
;B[rc]
;W[qb]C[wotan123 [2d\]: dont forget the komi for w, so i think its even
]
;B[jd]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: n7 seems sente 
SakanaEio [3d\]: L3 is to prevent N3 I presume?
gojustingo [8k\]: k17 m15 
]
;W[jc]
;B[kd]
;W[kc]
;B[ld]C[gojustingo [8k\]: n14 
tsuchigumo [-\]: i like this b builds thickness, trims side which still has an open skirt
]
;W[me]C[gojustingo [8k\]: n17 
kukulis4 [2d\]: white has H15 backdoor  move
thekaiser [2d\]: l14
SakanaEio [3d\]: still, can't cut F15 though?
zyklop [1d\]: b will reopen that ko on the left ?
anapazapa [2d\]: and b has h16 i guess
Sephi [5k?\]: l14
starsailor [8k\]: m17
sefil3k [2k\]: l14
play234 [-\]: wow thomas debarre defeated catalin?
Kratzdrink [2k\]: yes
Mocramis [4k\]: really ?
JoK [6k\]: how can the ko on the left be reopened? f b b10, w connects with a7... and if ba7 w a12
sefil3k [2k\]: no its just a joke
evave [4k\]: m15 
feafft: funny, i see him reviewing his gameson youtube..now he beats him
MythRealm [1k\]: j 18 j 17 m 17
tsuchigumo [-\]: Catalin not the player he was, no hunger at the moment 
evave [4k\]: funny ... i don know who he is in ^^^
]
;B[kf]
;W[ke]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: danger here
SakanaEio [3d\]: N16?
fatihsulak [2d\]: it seems black will lose some points here 
kukulis4 [2d\]: tsuchigumo: how hunger helps playing go ?
gojustingo [8k\]: o16 
zyklop [1d\]: b can get out
SakanaEio [3d\]: or not
Jintanakar [5k\]: k13
fatihsulak [2d\]: black cannot avoid wtihe center ponnuki 
zyklop [1d\]: it seems to me he could
dutch2dan [?\]: b n16?
SakanaEio [3d\]: the ladder works
]
;B[le]
;W[lf]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: and white can make a strong shape in the center without addind a move at m17 
zyklop [1d\]: b n16
zyklop [1d\]: no way to stop
gojustingo [8k\]: n16 
Sephi [5k?\]: yep
evave [4k\]: n16 
fatihsulak [2d\]: n16 o16 
SakanaEio [3d\]: n16 o16 k13 
evave [4k\]: l13?
Mocramis [4k\]: n16 -> o15...
Blubbel [8k\]: are those amateures?
wotan123 [2d\]: pro amateurs
]
;B[md]C[Sephi [5k?\]: o15 o16
Sephi [5k?\]: np
Spinaltap [3d?\]: looking for some way to make b10 work inconjunction with h11
fatihsulak [2d\]: i think white can sacrifice  n15 
Mocramis [4k\]: o16 ->p16
KopiPeng [6d\]: these 2 players are strong. They are definitely much stronger than KGS 7d
Zaros [5k\]: why not n14?
KopiPeng [6d\]: Why are they still 7d?
Sephi [5k?\]: p15
Sephi [5k?\]: not a pb
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are not professional
TeeSushi [2d\]: they would be kgs 9d
copyright [2d\]: o16 
TeeSushi [2d\]: because 7d is the highest rank in europe
Vaske [-\]: they are still amaters, but already strong like 1p
fatihsulak [2d\]: white can make a good shape by playing o16 if i did not miss anything
KopiPeng [6d\]: but they are kgs 7d now?
iaznab [-\]: they are not professional, but they are professional strength
iaznab [-\]: no, they are not on kgs
toto [3k\]: did someone know how many professionnals are they in the all world?
]
;W[nd]C[iaznab [-\]: EurogoTV1 is bringing us the game
TeeSushi [2d\]: they are real life 7d
KopiPeng [6d\]: ??
iaznab [-\]: the players themselves are not on kgs
Cassis0 [5d\]: I think they are easily 9d kgs 
TeeSushi [2d\]: nothing to do with kgs 
]
;B[jg]C[KopiPeng [6d\]: I see. thanks teesushi
]
;W[kg]
;B[if]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: wow
]
;W[kf]
;B[mf]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: anybody expected this ?
SakanaEio [3d\]: squeeze
fatihsulak [2d\]: yep 
wotan123 [2d\]: yep
lesid [4k\]: nop
MegaStrong [1k\]: yep
modgethanc [18k\]: yes n_n
Cassis0 [5d\]: double bad shape 
copyright [2d\]: k12 
modgethanc [18k\]: i was hoping for it! it's more exciting :D
Cassis0 [5d\]: m17
]
;W[lc]
;B[ne]
;W[mc]C[modgethanc [18k\]: dumplings
kukulis4 [2d\]: they squeeze each other :)
]
;B[me]
;W[kh]
;B[hd]
;W[ic]C[evave [4k\]: n10 ?
]
;B[mg]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: I take back my comment about k16, I missed w n15
KopiPeng [6d\]: The KO exchange for two corners was good play by black.
]
;W[ql]
;B[rl]C[Jocky [3d\]: where i can see a clasament ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: I think black is winning this game
wotan123 [2d\]: SE agree
KopiPeng [6d\]: What is SE?
wotan123 [2d\]: score estimator
fractic [1k\]: wrong?
zyklop [1d\]: w cent seems demolished
zyklop [1d\]: center
]
;W[pk]
;B[qj]C[fhtjtj: black still wins
]
;W[jq]C[fhtjtj: as i said at move 10 or something
kukulis4 [2d\]: nice timing of h16
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:29, b: 0:58
]
;B[jh]C[KopiPeng [6d\]: Why are Koreans playing in the European Go Congress?
KopiPeng [6d\]: They are invited?
wotan123 [2d\]: its open
Cassis0 [5d\]: for money 
Chilltime [2k\]: open tournament
Cassis0 [5d\]: strange question
Arhiman [3k\]: k12 nice 
Chilltime [2k\]: but they cant win the european title
Mocramis [4k\]: hmmm J12 ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: This is a world tournament?
PooH [5k\]: d12 group still has some aji
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: open, so world can play yes
thekaiser [2d\]: impossible for w to win
Chilltime [2k\]: as long as they dont are european citizens
Ninjan [6k\]: is there any link?
KopiPeng [6d\]: I see. Thanks for the replies.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for board 2
Onmyoji [2d\]: they came to get the easy monies
kukulis4 [2d\]: J12
wotan123 [2d\]: is the winning price so much?
Onmyoji [2d\]: 5000
thekaiser [2d\]: k11
wotan123 [2d\]: calculate the fly
]
;W[ji]C[Chilltime [2k\]: 1 billion money
Onmyoji [2d\]: €
]
;B[ig]
;W[ah]
;B[ki]
;W[kr]C[wotan123 [2d\]: 5000 eus is not bad
]
;B[lr]
;W[dq]C[KopiPeng [6d\]: Black is very strong.
wotan123 [2d\]: w too
Mocramis [4k\]: what is that move ?
Sephi [5k?\]: ^^
kukulis4 [2d\]: bkacj E4
Mocramis [4k\]: i don't understand it ....
thekaiser [2d\]: the move i won't let you win
fatihsulak [2d\]: probably i miss something but why not m11/m12? 
SakanaEio [3d\]: ko possible here?
madhat [?\]: that can wait...
KopiPeng [6d\]: white has a 2step KO at the corner of C2
SakanaEio [3d\]: guess so...
Mocramis [4k\]: EurogoTV, how about the time please?
KopiPeng [6d\]: e4 c5 e5 c2 e1 d2 b2 b3 b4 a2 a3 b1 
SakanaEio [3d\]: probably white's only chance
thekaiser [2d\]: c5
Jintanakar [5k\]: c5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:27, b: 0:55
Sephi [5k?\]: but just c5 now ...
Highwayman [1d\]: m11 does not help to save those stones
TeeSushi [2d\]: e4 
kukulis4 [2d\]: thanks KopiPeng
Mocramis [4k\]: thanks eurogoTV
SakanaEio [3d\]: c5 c2 b2 b1 a2 e5 e4 d1 ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: black c5, white will C1 first
KopiPeng [6d\]: i mean C2 first
TeeSushi [2d\]: e4 
TeeSushi [2d\]: i think easiest
sempaii [3k\]: that like evil overplay
NitramF [3k\]: Harry wat wil je drinken?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may avoid a ko after white c5, black instantly to play e1
fatihsulak [2d\]: i cannot follow the game now... really very complicated 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Harry zit op bord 2
zyklop [1d\]: s e4 w c2 
kukulis4 [2d\]: less points in corner, but black still alive
NitramF [3k\]: emile wat wil je drinken?
KopiPeng [6d\]: black can play the KO, and give the KO to white, while black takes 3 moves eslewhere. 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: doe maar ijsthee
hellas [7k\]: e4 ...e5...c5...c2...e1 d2...b2
KopiPeng [6d\]: Black L10 is big.
NitramF [3k\]: In welke room zit je op KGS?
evave [4k\]: e4 
KopiPeng [6d\]: oh... but the F2 black group is still not alive
KopiPeng [6d\]: This KO will decide who wins
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: english, Martin
thekaiser [2d\]: but seems hard ofr w to win this ko, no?
Cassis0 [5d\]: b thinking about the better choice 
kukulis4 [2d\]: what about sequence: e4, c5, e1, e4, d2, d5, b2 ?
SakanaEio [3d\]: perhaps that's why white spent 2 moves at K3 and L2
Cassis0 [5d\]: maybe c5 is better
SakanaEio [3d\]: for this
tsuchigumo [-\]: yes this is all about f2 group - henced k3 and l2 preparations
siulongbao [7k\]: doesnt black have one eye atm ?
evave [4k\]: ko?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: cant be just connect underneeth?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: english room bedoel ik dus
DrH0use [2d\]: this cant work for w
zyklop [1d\]: w cannot accept a connection underneath i think
SakanaEio [3d\]: ah yes 
hellas [7k\]: w has to die there
SakanaEio [3d\]: b can simply connect
tsuchigumo [-\]: b thinking about connection vs.ko
KopiPeng [6d\]: @kukulis4, but black is not alive even if black connects from 1st liner
thekaiser [2d\]: c5 is ok i think
zc3k [1k\]: e5 anyway
]
;B[eo]
;W[cr]
;B[br]
;W[bs]C[lesid [4k\]: why not c5 simply?
wolokom [5k\]: nett
SakanaEio [3d\]: B3 then D1 for black?
SakanaEio [3d\]: oops doesn't work
zc3k [1k\]: all death
zyklop [1d\]: s d1 ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: This is another story of black leading all the way and fell down just 1 step before the finishing line :(
wolokom [5k\]: b is still ahead
fatihsulak [2d\]: any idea why e5 is better than c5?
DrH0use [2d\]: why does b choose dificulty
hellas [7k\]: e5 left w doin the press on c3 group ...doesnt seem good 
zyklop [1d\]: no
SIsen [2k?\]: b3, e3?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: i think connection would of been just fine
]
;B[bq]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: i thought it was for D1, Fatih
]
;W[fs]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: and it was, i guess
kukulis4 [2d\]: last chance for white
KopiPeng [6d\]: hmmm.... maybe white has nothing there....
fatihsulak [2d\]: thx 
ftroiset [2d\]: ko at least
KopiPeng [6d\]: if black can get G1 and H2, at least black F2 group is alive
kukulis4 [2d\]: ok, and white gets big corner ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: and the KO is just the KO for the 4 black C3,C4,B2,B3
Muscadet [?\]: looks like a yose ko
zyklop [1d\]: it seems s e4 would have worked for b
hellas [7k\]: yes ... bad idea to leave the e4 lib to w
Chilltime [2k\]: no?
zc3k [1k\]: b on kiss in the dark
thekaiser [2d\]: even if w take c3 stones b's got l12
Chilltime [2k\]: if u take the lib u extremly danger b3
Spinaltap [3d?\]: those koreans and their good shapes
SakanaEio [3d\]: yes, I prefer E4 to connect under, i guess
fhtjtj: b wins...
wolokom [5k\]: many new moves
Warfreak2 [5d\]: black prefers not to give white c5 in sente as then white makes a second eye
]
;B[ds]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: oh c12 is captured
Warfreak2 [5d\]: that's unfortunate :>
Mocramis [4k\]: now h2 non ?
SakanaEio [3d\]: ha3
Mocramis [4k\]: no*
Mocramis [4k\]: H2 sorry*
Mocramis [4k\]: G2*
]
;W[cs]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: G1 now?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: weird
Mocramis [4k\]: O_o
Spinaltap [3d?\]: why not e1
MegaStrong [1k\]: nice :)
weggy [-\]: This KO seems bad for w
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be e1
kukulis4 [2d\]: then e1 again
Lepenski [1k\]: c5
Spinaltap [3d?\]: instead of c1
kukulis4 [2d\]: and then h2
]
;B[gs]
;W[es]C[zyklop [1d\]: s c5 ^^
]
;B[hr]
;W[co]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]: guess it doesnt matter either way
BernD [6k?\]:  when f2 group is alive, even white gets the corner then l 10 for black might be enough
]
;B[ep]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]: still w must c1
madhat [?\]: b has a1
Lepenski [1k\]: kooo
hanskrens [7k\]: does white think he can get a ko?
fatihsulak [2d\]: big succes for white imo 
]
;W[dr]C[Mocramis [4k\]: ko for white no ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: if white takes the ko black needs to live 
SIsen [2k?\]: a4
evave [4k\]: b5 ?
]
;B[as]
;W[ar]
;B[aq]C[nolimits [2d\]: a1 was to play first by b no ?
SakanaEio [3d\]: yes, but if black gets sente for L10, not much
Lepenski [1k\]: a1,a2,ae
Mocramis [4k\]: no
nolimits [2d\]: e4 was a threat
MaLa [2d\]: not really
TeeSushi [2d\]: no it wasnt
Mocramis [4k\]: white as some intenal threats
Sephi [5k?\]: ^^
fatihsulak [2d\]: btw i am not sure if white m11 saves that group 
MaLa [2d\]: but d2 would have been a threat for white
nolimits [2d\]: not yeah 
LeFourBe [5d\]: E4 was a liberty for white
nolimits [2d\]: yeah bad reading 
TeeSushi [2d\]: there are no internal threats in this ko
easytokill [1d\]: any treats for w?
KopiPeng [6d\]: This game is exciting till the last move.
Mocramis [4k\]: ho soory
kukulis4 [2d\]: black will play k2 for sure
hellas [7k\]: b loves the thrill it seems
fatihsulak [2d\]: white will play his threat now i think 
Lepenski [1k\]: f10
SakanaEio [3d\]: H3 first for all or nothing?
fatihsulak [2d\]: without playin a4 or b4 
kukulis4 [2d\]: b+r
Direct [4k\]: w+t
wolokom [5k\]: s 15
kukulis4 [2d\]: you mean b+t ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:22, b: 0:42
Mikki [2k\]: wah
]
;W[li]
;B[kj]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: this doesn't work
Icare [1d\]: ?
Direct [4k\]: yes
fatihsulak [2d\]: works as a ko threat 
zhiwei [6k?\]: w building ko threats
Icare [1d\]: strange move
fatihsulak [2d\]: white cannot win ko for sure
Lepenski [1k\]: white in problem
kukulis4 [2d\]: b+r
zhiwei [6k?\]: better try than give up
fatihsulak [2d\]: he needs to play something to have a big ko threat 
fatihsulak [2d\]: if he starts ko now black can end it with one move
Spinaltap [3d?\]: nice game by both 
fatihsulak [2d\]: now black needs 2 moves
]
;W[bp]
;B[as]
;W[lh]
;B[lj]
;W[ar]
;B[jr]C[zhiwei [6k?\]: take
Mika147 [8k\]: k2 so big?
calme [4d?\]: no
]
;W[ap]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: l1
Icare [1d\]: how to win a won game ?
MegaStrong [1k\]: more like J3
calme [4d?\]: b lead now
zhiwei [6k?\]: b is saved
fatihsulak [2d\]: m11 makes center bigger for black 
kukulis4 [2d\]: j3 lets make white L4 forcing move
SakanaEio [3d\]: game pretty much over now?
Lepenski [1k\]: black is better
fatihsulak [2d\]: i am not sure 
fatihsulak [2d\]: black better but not over 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white is not happy
SakanaEio [3d\]: w have to do something with M11 if he wants to have any chance
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes we can see why
KopiPeng [6d\]: Black plays more seriously than PROs. Commendable.
kukulis4 [2d\]: black kills M11 stones and wins the game
Cassis0 [5d\]: blanc need j3? 
SakanaEio [3d\]: but I can't find any :(
Warfreak2 [5d\]: white not happy because he just lost points by playing m11/m12
]
;B[nj]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: wow
antonk [4k\]: J2
MegaStrong [1k\]: J2?
fatihsulak [2d\]: white needs to use the aji of m11 
]
;W[ir]
;B[ks]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: H3 then?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black lives localy ?
]
;W[is]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: o10 not needed in my reading
Kaos [3k\]: with h3 an g9 maybe?
antonk [4k\]: b have to resign now
KopiPeng [6d\]: seems black is dead?
TeeSushi [2d\]: how is black gonna live Oo
copyright [2d\]: hehe
modgethanc [18k\]: wow
modgethanc [18k\]: i didn't see that coming 
KopiPeng [6d\]: but black is so much stronger than myself
Mocramis [4k\]: how to lose a won game ?
Arhiman [3k\]: nobody has to resign
zhiwei [6k?\]: i read b dead =3
Spinaltap [3d?\]: lol
calme [4d?\]: why O10
fatihsulak [2d\]: is white happy now? 
RyuuGan [3k\]: h3 j3 g4 h5 g9 ?
KopiPeng [6d\]: so maybe black sees something that I cannot see
XCMeijin [3k\]: magic
fatihsulak [2d\]: to eliminate aji i guess 
ben0 [5d\]: ...
wolokom [5k\]: b is  w tries 
TeeSushi [2d\]: h5 ?
fhtjtj: black is winning
Kaos [3k\]: that what i read ryu but there's h1 still
fatihsulak [2d\]: if black lives here game over 
SakanaEio [3d\]: h3 then H5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black just sighed
Spinaltap [3d?\]: cant belive he didnt just play j3
kukulis4 [2d\]: black sacrifices h2 and g1 to get g4, H5 in sente, and then play G9 to make two eyes
calme [4d?\]: O10 not necessary 
SakanaEio [3d\]: then pray
ben0 [5d\]: oh it's alive
Hanne [3k\]: oh wow 
zyklop [1d\]: bh5 shouold do for live
TeeSushi [2d\]: h5 j5 h3 j3 g4 ?
antonk [4k\]: w is winning!!!!
geruempel [3k\]: B H3 alive
gdghgjd [1d\]: could you turn the camera?
antonk [4k\]: 27 points
Warfreak2 [5d\]: ryuugan, after your sequence, g2 throw in removes eye
kukulis4 [2d\]: black H3 now
fatihsulak [2d\]: not alive 
PooH [5k\]: g3 one eye and g8 2nd
fatihsulak [2d\]: h3 j3 
zyklop [1d\]: alive
calme [4d?\]: b dead
Spinaltap [3d?\]: looks dead to  me
ben0 [5d\]: h3 j3 h5
Hanne [3k\]: h3 
dragonik [2d\]: h3
ben0 [5d\]: alive
zyklop [1d\]: h5
fatihsulak [2d\]: g2 is eye stealing tesuji 
SakanaEio [3d\]: h3 j3 h5 g4 j5 
telchar [1d\]: i vote life
veteran [1d\]: j5
Sephi [5k?\]: alive
KopiPeng [6d\]: black is dead
Hanne [3k\]: h3 j3 h5
zhiwei [6k?\]: i hope b can do magic
zyklop [1d\]: :)
wolokom [5k\]: ben how
copyright [2d\]: not alive
Jocky [3d\]: dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ben0 [5d\]: alive -____-
copyright [2d\]: black dead
evave [4k\]: resign
Mika147 [8k\]: lol
zyklop [1d\]: magic not necessary there
Pingu007 [3d\]: h5?
dragonik [2d\]: h3 h5 j5
Jocky [3d\]: j5 first
kukulis4 [2d\]: black played this for us, to watch more interesting game till the end :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black threw the stone back into the pot
fatihsulak [2d\]: locally not 2 eye 
TeeSushi [2d\]: h5 first if he wants to live
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: taking a long hard look again
antonk [4k\]: no
fatihsulak [2d\]: black needs some smart play 
Muscadet [?\]: h5
RyuuGan [3k\]: h3 now
calme [4d?\]: b alive in fact
TeeSushi [2d\]: h5 g4 j5 k5 j3 
]
;B[lm]C[LYB [1d\]: i wanna see his face... wad site?
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
SakanaEio [3d\]: what!!???
telchar [1d\]: lol
antonk [4k\]: b is dead
MegaStrong [1k\]: oh
Hanne [3k\]: what the heck
fatihsulak [2d\]: big trade again?
Jocky [3d\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tell Harry on board 2
kukulis4 [2d\]: black misread
Jocky [3d\]: :D
zyklop [1d\]: b thinks bigger
hellas [7k\]: b doin suicide?
modgethanc [18k\]: tenuki? ;)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I don't control the camera
Mocramis [4k\]: eurogotv4, how does black look like ?
zyklop [1d\]: great show
Sephi [5k?\]: he's so alive that he doesn't need to protect his group lol
Coffeeman [4k?\]: wow...
Mocramis [4k\]: tv1 sorry*
LYB [1d\]: i know.... where to view live ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: Sephi: lol
tsuchigumo [-\]: got to like b'a approach
copyright [2d\]: black now lead
calme [4d?\]: lol
telchar [1d\]: i hope i will never be high dan, these guys are too crazy
fatihsulak [2d\]: kill black 
calme [4d?\]: well b want kill the right
RyuuGan [3k\]: new quest :) kill black %)
Cassis0 [5d\]: what's hapenning Oo
dragonik [2d\]: b win if w dead
zhiwei [6k?\]: w h5 now
Striker [-\]: w win if b dead ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: He just sighed again
Sephi [5k?\]: this game is wonderful ^^
hellas [7k\]: they die were they shouldnt and live were i couldnt ... ill never get it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b I mean
thekaiser [2d\]: r5 not alive too
SakanaEio [3d\]: O10 will be losing move if b lose
LeFourBe [5d\]: b just bet to kill white ;)
fatihsulak [2d\]: what is the best way to kill? 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Kim Eunkuk is in front of the board
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be black preparing for h3, then h5, then j5
wolokom [5k\]: w is struggelig for live
TeeSushi [2d\]: n9 ?
Lepenski [1k\]: bg9
KopiPeng [6d\]: black sighing might be a trick to  put white off his guard.
Lepenski [1k\]: B g9 alive
zhiwei [6k?\]: it's a trap!
fatihsulak [2d\]: good idea kopi :-) 
TeeSushi [2d\]: g9 h5 dead
wolokom [5k\]: s 5
veteran [1d\]: B j5 W k5 B h3 W j3 B h5 W j4 B g4 makes miai of g9 and h1 to live
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what's bigger? Killing group at f5 or at q5?
suaviento [7k\]: M6!
DrH0use [2d\]: l6
KopiPeng [6d\]: I always see many people using such tricks in competitions :(
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
suaviento [7k\]: m6 l6 m5
KopiPeng [6d\]: Thats why playing GO online is good.
thekaiser [2d\]: yeah sometimes not proud of...
Prodigious [5d?\]: Or maybe he's just sighing
fatihsulak [2d\]: i will try it next tournament :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: nothing wrong with using psychology to defeat your opponent
SakanaEio [3d\]: a sigh could also mean 'why doesn't he resign...'
telchar [1d\]: i do this all the time
tsuchigumo [-\]: b looking to get a stone at l7 then play h5
kaibaibo: killingat f5 looks bigger,,
evave [4k\]: o6 
MegaStrong [1k\]: sakana: I usually sight to say that ^^
kaibaibo: but is it winning  exchange?
evave [4k\]: g3  is dead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: look at feed
fatihsulak [2d\]: all stones on the left side are dead
MegaStrong [1k\]: the feed's great, thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now he sighed again twirling his head ;)
LeFourBe [5d\]: black is dead at F5
]
;W[kn]C[veteran [1d\]: W needs 1 more stone to kill left
kukulis4 [2d\]: EuroGoTv1: how old the players are ?
]
;B[ln]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: well usually people don't do it when winning :)
zhiwei [6k?\]: *gives black oscar award*
KopiPeng [6d\]: EuroGOTV1 is funny :)
derp [1k\]: don't think h3, j3, h5 works, because w can g4, j5, j4 and run to the right, anyone read this?
DrH0use [2d\]: DrH0use [2d\]: l6
fatihsulak [2d\]: here comes big trade
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: young, I don't know what age
]
;W[qm]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: the big trade just happened
veteran [1d\]: now left dead
zyklop [1d\]: wow
Warfreak2 [5d\]: l6 is necessary to keep black dead
anapazapa [2d\]: the w group is much smaller even if it dies
kukulis4 [2d\]: white not dead yet
sacrifice1 [12k\]: w wins
Sephi [5k?\]: black alive
Youssev [5d\]: not so easy to kill w
veteran [1d\]: because of l6
KopiPeng [6d\]: I think black will resign now.
mm3 [4d\]: g3
SakanaEio [3d\]: ah...
KopiPeng [6d\]: Judging from black sighs for 3 X
RyuuGan [3k\]: half of the desk will be black's if w dies =)
MegaStrong [1k\]: xD
evave [4k\]: p8 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black must kill to win now
wolokom [5k\]: but how
veteran [1d\]: now if B j5 W j4
Cassis0 [5d\]: i dont get this at all 
fatihsulak [2d\]: if white dies who is leading? 
tsuchigumo [-\]: Incredible miss by b.
dragonik [2d\]: b can be alive on the left
SakanaEio [3d\]: h3 j3 h5 g4 j5 k5 j4 g9  <--- this explains why b is dead and why M7 then L6
kukulis4 [2d\]: black s7 the only move
DrH0use [2d\]: h3 give life
]
;B[rm]
;W[rn]C[Sephi [5k?\]: not necessary, if b can't kill, he can live in f5
]
;B[rp]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: lets see
Warfreak2 [5d\]: dieeeee
evave [4k\]: o9 
kukulis4 [2d\]: if white gets a ko at least, then white may win the game
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go joonsang
InABuzz [5k\]: looks alive
wolokom [5k\]: p 8?
veteran [1d\]: must try o9
InABuzz [5k\]: 5kyus would p8
gdghgjd [1d\]: last fight of the game
zhiwei [6k?\]: i would play p8 but i cant read till the end
mm3 [4d\]: h3
Warfreak2 [5d\]: p8 dies speedily
geruempel [3k\]: Sakana .. why H5 ? G4 makes one eye in sente an G8 or G5 will besecond eye
LugPaj [2d\]: Sant will win
fatihsulak [2d\]: game may be still close even if white dies there
wolokom [5k\]: n 9
KopiPeng [6d\]: o9 n9 p8 is shape
Stelios [5k\]: that fight all the game
fhtjtj: b wins
anapazapa [2d\]: b is alright if he kills unconditionally
KoshiKun [6k\]: is the G1 group dead?
fhtjtj: cha cha cha
fatihsulak [2d\]: m8 for example 
SakanaEio [3d\]: geruempel, maybe u miss G2 throw in?
kukulis4 [2d\]: G1 is dead
GorsNaze [2d\]: black would be clearly ahead if white dies here
KoshiKun [6k\]: what if black H3?
fatihsulak [2d\]: white m8 and if m8 lives game close again 
Stelios [5k\]: O9
Warfreak2 [5d\]: o9 n8 
geruempel [3k\]: t y skana ... missed the filled liberty
Stelios [5k\]: may be life
SakanaEio [3d\]: sure :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: that's what happen when you give too much time to think to koreans 
KopiPeng [6d\]: making alive is easy to count than trying to kill
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:11, b: 0:35
KopiPeng [6d\]: and white P9 is alive
zyklop [1d\]: now left b group seems dead, h3 doesn´t help agains g2
huffle [1d\]: after h5?
kukulis4 [2d\]: the game is incredible
fatihsulak [2d\]: o10 may be the losing move if black cannot kill white
kukulis4 [2d\]: how much eforts must give each player in such a game ...
Sephi [5k?\]: yeah
Sephi [5k?\]: why o10 !!
KoshiKun [6k\]: zyklop
Kuzuryusen [-\]: to kill white ?
wolokom [5k\]: they fight to get headake!
SakanaEio [3d\]: o10 proves black is still human
KoshiKun [6k\]: imma duplicate this game i
KoshiKun [6k\]: can u come in and show me why it doesnt work please?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sadly, humans can't win this tournament ;)
zyklop [1d\]: not to play e4 created big problems
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
SakanaEio [3d\]: true, Euro
SakanaEio [3d\]: lol
Hoyuk [13k\]: squirrels can ^^
kukulis4 [2d\]: EuroGoTV1: and who wins the tournament ?
KoshiKun [6k\]: chuck norris
kukulis4 [2d\]: superhumans ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
Kuzuryusen [-\]: go no kami ;)
InABuzz [5k\]: simple p9???
DrH0use [2d\]: who call me?
evave [4k\]: ko
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Chuck Norris is probably the only person who does not need to play and still win the tournament
kukulis4 [2d\]: bruce lee from China ;)
InABuzz [5k\]: how b would awnser p9?
PooH [5k\]: q7?
SakanaEio [3d\]: after P9, I'm reading Q7, but not sure about that
TeeSushi [2d\]: show what koshikun?
Fajnymis [3d\]: if w dead than b +10
rafito [3k\]: o10 proves black is insane
PooH [5k\]: koshikun the magical move is w g2
evave [4k\]: akshay kumar from chandi chauk :P
Stelios [5k\]: Euro humor?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b is looking at the center of the board and to the right
Hoyuk [13k\]: does any body know vernon koekemoer?
Stelios [5k\]: about Chuck???
Stelios [5k\]: :P
kukulis4 [2d\]: white N9 may be ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: open the copy koshikun and i will  show you
Hoyuk [13k\]: chuck has a tattoo of vernon on his bum
KoshiKun [6k\]: thanks
Muscadet [?\]: b can still live with h5 - l6 does not protect the cut
SakanaEio [3d\]: or maybe, b should've H3 instead of L1
Warfreak2 [5d\]: muscadet
SakanaEio [3d\]: that way no G2 throw in
Warfreak2 [5d\]: w sacrifices three and then connects at g9
evave [4k\]: p8 o9 ?
DrH0use [2d\]: zzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Spinaltap [3d?\]: h5 h3
copyright [2d\]: q7 is kyusho
huffle [1d\]: h3 h5
LeFourBe [5d\]: b groups at F5 is dead
LeFourBe [5d\]: 3 stones dead :)
Stelios [5k\]: s5?
GorsNaze [2d\]: B+R
fatihsulak [2d\]: yep l1 may be the biggest mistake black made in this game 
Warfreak2 [5d\]: l1 is fine
kogamiyata [12k\]: l
Warfreak2 [5d\]: h3 instead of L1 does not live any more
PooH [5k\]: just should not have ignored j2
fatihsulak [2d\]: how to kill black if h3 not l1?
Sephi [5k?\]: o10 is the mistake but it'a not over
SakanaEio [3d\]: H3 then J1 perhaps?
che [-\]: f5 is dead no?
wolokom [5k\]: i ask what are they thinking?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the same way white kills black now
PooH [5k\]: black lost about 27 points in trade of
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the L1/J1 exchange doesn't affect the sequence for white to kill black at the moment
che [-\]: h3 j3 
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's just changing the order
SakanaEio [3d\]: i'm getting headache
]
;W[ll]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: lol
InABuzz [5k\]: o
InABuzz [5k\]: noone said m8
MegaStrong [1k\]: wtf?
fatihsulak [2d\]: i said :-) 
BenjaminGl [12k?\]: wow that room exactly like the one from the european go congress game
kukulis4 [2d\]: everybody is getting headashe  here
msheroher [4k\]: is the black group in the lowerleft corner dead?
prescott [1d\]: is the f8 group dead?
MaLa [2d\]: yes
che [-\]: YES
SakanaEio [3d\]: but then, if H3 J1 then J3 
che [-\]: no
che [-\]: h3 j3 easily
prescott [1d\]: then b should resign
SakanaEio [3d\]: H3 J3 then G4, che
SakanaEio [3d\]: H5 and G9 miai
Youssev [5d\]: no sakata
che [-\]: h5 then
Youssev [5d\]: sakana sorry
madhat [?\]: ..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: clocks on board two are almost equal
fatihsulak [2d\]: l1 still seems to be the biggest mistake to me 
che [-\]: and still has g2
evave [4k\]: n9 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 1:03, b: 0:33
fatihsulak [2d\]: we are talking about if balck did not play l1 j1 exchange could he live 
SakanaEio [3d\]: mm just to make sure, what I'm talking about is if B played H3 instead of L1
SakanaEio [3d\]: are we in the same page?
wolokom [5k\]: p 8?
evave [4k\]: n9 n9 n9 n9 n9 n9 n9 
kukulis4 [2d\]: fatihsulak: I was thinking about it too
zyklop [1d\]: w on the right seems big enough to live
huffle [1d\]: does h3 not live?
MaLa [2d\]: @evave multiple moves at the same place are not possible, if the stone is not captured before
zyklop [1d\]: not any more
fatihsulak [2d\]: h3 dead with j1 
Hanne [3k\]: this must be madness !!!!!!!
huffle [1d\]: j1 g2
TeeSushi [2d\]: no this is spartaaaaaaa
evave [4k\]: i can creat tower og go stones at same place :P
fatihsulak [2d\]: if black cuts at n8 white group may die and white can win the game 
SakanaEio [3d\]: then B played 2 careless moves in a row with O10 and L1
zyklop [1d\]: w g2
lesid [4k\]: lol
che [-\]: Sakana sorry I did not understand you right
evave [4k\]: ohh .. we hv fish here :P
SakanaEio [3d\]: sure che, it gets confusing with all this crowded discussion :)
fatihsulak [2d\]: but o10 and l1 makes it exicitng 
KoshiKun [6k\]: wow che u play so many 9x9 games
evave [4k\]: i wanna pic of my goldgish playing go
che [-\]: better I stop kibbitz and only read my own stuff on the board :)
KoshiKun [6k\]: do u have a ranked account aswell?
che [-\]: me Koshi?
]
;B[nk]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: yes
purin: ひかるの碁しってる
evave [4k\]: no
sacrifice1 [12k\]: =.="
evave [4k\]: this doesnt work
che [-\]: i do, but thats not important
evave [4k\]: n9 
sacrifice1 [12k\]: yeah
]
;W[kl]
;B[ml]
;W[mk]
;B[nl]C[purin: おおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおお
]
;W[mj]
;B[mi]
;W[lk]
;B[mh]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: :-)
purin: おおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおお
]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]C[evave [4k\]: wowowowo
evave [4k\]: what?
]
;W[rd]C[Pingu007 [3d\]: eh
]
;B[re]C[purin: おおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおお
]
;W[sc]C[anapazapa [2d\]: admin!
evave [4k\]: w + ?
purin: おきおきおきおきおきおきおきおきおきおきおきおきおき
fatihsulak [2d\]: good work :-)
Hoyuk [13k\]: why am i seeing alot of squares?
purin: o
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you're on a go server
KoshiKun [6k\]: i dont see them
Warfreak2 [5d\]: *ba-doom ching*
Fajnymis [3d\]: u nedd asian fonts
evave [4k\]: u need specs
Hoyuk [13k\]: i need ice
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he's spamming oki a lot
Fajnymis [3d\]: anyway u lack something:\]
yumeKa [6k\]: sore wa dame...black is sente
SakanaEio [3d\]: now they need to finish yose, great game :)
Fajnymis [3d\]: even game now with such big trades quite unbelivible
bobstep [4k?\]: gone, maybe admin got him
djaffar [12k\]: what is to be   sente ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white winning haha
fatihsulak [2d\]: black leading imo 
PooH [5k\]: j19
go1d [4d\]: white +14.5 :D
]
;B[se]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: typical of strong players, crazy fights ending with close game
sutex [4k\]: w q7 dead?
Novalys [2k\]: yes
che [-\]: g18 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: g18
]
;W[kk]
;B[lg]C[derp [1k\]: very close game
SakanaEio [3d\]: H18 a little better than G18 i think
siulongbao [7k\]: l7 ?
Novalys [2k\]: not really close derp
che [-\]: maybe g18 bad as b g17 catches g15
siulongbao [7k\]: white h 17
che [-\]: in sente ten
fatihsulak [2d\]: black leading a lot 
fhtjtj: b wins
]
;W[hb]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: at least 5 points 
siulongbao [7k\]: wat if white does l7 ?
]
;B[km]
;W[ko]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: maybe 10 
]
;B[jm]
;W[jn]
;B[gc]
;W[od]C[seppy [?\]: t15 small?
]
;B[oe]C[sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers shfuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapersfuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheepraperseeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers 
sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers
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sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers
sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers
sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers
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sdafggfs: fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers fuck you all mother fucker donkyfuckers sheeprapers
]
;W[lo]C[Novalys [2k\]: lol
sutex [4k\]: lol
]
;B[mo]
;W[ga]C[huggy [3k\]: ;)
che [-\]: w leading by 3 points
]
;B[sd]
;W[rc]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]C[anapazapa [2d\]: i know how ya feel. admin!
Novalys [2k\]: java master squirrel kick me this \\o/
]
;B[js]
;W[iq]C[siulongbao [7k\]: g9 
go1d [4d\]: B+18.5
sempaii [3k\]: great game
erkkierkki [7k\]: r14
PooH [5k\]: j19 seemed a lot bigger then  t15
Arhiman [3k\]: b+2 ?
che [-\]: go1d dont forget that SE cant estimate chinese rules
siulongbao [7k\]: g9 or else its not sente
]
;B[af]
;W[bf]
;B[ad]
;W[ee]C[Pingu007 [3d\]: go1d changes his mind all 3 moves about the winner :)
]
;B[fe]
;W[fa]
;B[ea]
;W[gb]
;B[jj]
;W[ii]C[siulongbao [7k\]: why doesnt whiute g9 O_o
]
;B[jl]
;W[jk]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: this game goes by chinese rules?
]
;B[ed]
;W[hi]C[siulongbao [7k\]: or else itsn ot sente
]
;B[ae]C[siulongbao [7k\]: since w has an eye
]
;W[ag]C[Fajnymis [3d\]: B+3,5?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: They are counting
TeeSushi [2d\]: white won
SakanaEio [3d\]: great game :)
che [-\]: w+4
]
;B[hg]
;W[ih]C[SakanaEio [3d\]: counted w won too
Stelios [5k\]: b wins
siulongbao [7k\]: can someone explain to me bout the sente ?
Stelios [5k\]: for 0,5
zyklop [1d\]: ?
derp [1k\]: se says b+0.5, can't be right
Arhiman [3k\]: w+4
cuicide [2k\]: w+5
Jocky [3d\]: :D
djaffar [12k\]: B wins here 
Jocky [3d\]: white wINNNNNNN
Jocky [3d\]: L:L)))
Jocky [3d\]: L))
TeeSushi [2d\]: 3 or 4 pts
Jocky [3d\]: :))
weoirz234: wait for the official result then
TeeSushi [2d\]: for white
rafito [3k\]: How to lose a won game!
hellas [7k\]: i still think e5 was the losing move in this game
kukulis4 [2d\]: nope
zyklop [1d\]: l10 was second
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes
Jocky [3d\]: say
Jocky [3d\]: :D
Jocky [3d\]: result
Jocky [3d\]: :D
TeeSushi [2d\]: why e5 and not e3
GorsNaze [2d\]: W+4.5
dragonik [2d\]: b won
TeeSushi [2d\]: e4
kukulis4 [2d\]: O10 was a loosing move
meuns [2k\]: whatta game !
Jocky [3d\]: b win
SakanaEio [3d\]: O10 and L1
Jocky [3d\]: w i
Jocky [3d\]: win
playgo2: score?
siulongbao [7k\]: by how much ?
Sephi [5k?\]: who won the game ??? lol
SakanaEio [3d\]: two consecutive mistakes
Jocky [3d\]: GOOo result
meuns [2k\]: who is winning ?
zyklop [1d\]: eurogotv1 please tell us the result
KoshiKun [6k\]: they're counting
Stelios [5k\]: rules?
weoirz234: ing
meuns [2k\]: chinese rules ?
bohica [5k\]: w seems ahead
bolb [-\]: i,g
KoshiKun [6k\]: he will tell u the result as soon as its here
erkkierkki [7k\]: Ing
bolb [-\]: ing
Stelios [5k\]: chinese?
TeeSushi [2d\]: simplified ing
Jocky [3d\]: Romanian
dragonik [2d\]: W+4.5
Jocky [3d\]: :)))
jleone [3k?\]: if w win, the loosing move was b k2
Kokono [21k\]: korea rule =))
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w+5
Jocky [3d\]: white winnnnnnnn
Jocky [3d\]: yeyeyeye
Jocky [3d\]: :D
Jocky [3d\]: :))))
calme [4d?\]: oO
che [-\]: thanks EuroGoTV for broadcasting
Warfreak2 [5d\]: :-)
weoirz234: thank you!
zyklop [1d\]: thx euro
InABuzz [5k\]: crazy game
aomori [11k\]: wow.
meuns [2k\]: whatta game
KoF [7k\]: thx
SakanaEio [3d\]: thanks Eurogotv :)
hellas [7k\]: with e4 killing the corner b had won safely without any prob
go1d [4d\]: :D
DrH0use [2d\]: corleone
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: You're welcome ;)
wahnsinn [?\]: thx
TeeSushi [2d\]: thanks eurogo :)
modgethanc [18k\]: thank you! amazing game.
zyklop [1d\]: so painful for b
kukulis4 [2d\]: w+0.5
SakanaEio [3d\]: b must be very sad
globax [4d\]: thx eurogo tv1
Warfreak2 [5d\]: hellas, maybe your reading is not quite as good as kim joonsang's
XX124: result: draw
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Official result: w+5
meuns [2k\]: w+0.5 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: (not counting the .5)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thanks EurogoTV 
zyklop [1d\]: thx for transfer
meuns [2k\]: ha ok
LugPaj [2d\]: komi is what
playgo2: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: komi is 8 points
hellas [7k\]: yes maybe warfreak ...... did u proove it?
dragonik [2d\]: poor b
rafito [3k\]: I feel sorry for black
albundy [2k\]: the game was suspicious... need an investigation
rafito [3k\]: Yes
djaffar [12k\]: can  we watch real players on tv?
djaffar [12k\]: or internet,
Sephi [5k?\]: so w won by ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Well, black did mistakingly put 4 black stones in white's territory at first, but corrected it himself later ;)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: (for the 8 komi)
wolokom [5k\]: s 0.5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: As I'm not a referee I can't say anything about it
hellas [7k\]: so result not done yet?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is, black corrected it himself
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and then w+5 was result
Sephi [5k?\]: ok
hellas [7k\]: th euro
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Have fun with board 2 and 5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: byebye
badukwang [3k\]: thx
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