(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 5 board 5]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Csaba Mero]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-07-31]EV[main]RO[5]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[RO]BT[HU]US[kamyszyn]C[Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Go Popic *\\o/*
gogonuts [4d\]: there's no way a korean is gonna win this game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Harry agreed to switch board number so I can relay 5th board
TeeSushi [2d\]: what was 4th board`?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: oh chi-min with thomas debarre
TeeSushi [2d\]: would have been interesting too :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: but more one sided than this one
Baccano [2d\]: We'll get video of this board? :-)
TeeSushi [2d\]: propably
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: video only on 1st board
Baccano [2d\]: aaaaw too bad =)
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: where are boards 1 and 2?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there should be soon available on accounts eurogotv1 and 2
TeeSushi [2d\]: board 2 is up now
TeeSushi [2d\]: just board 1 missing
gogonuts [4d\]: <chide>thursdays results should in the wall list</chide>
Nemerid [-\]: the yesterday's results are still missing, what a pity
Cassis0 [5d\]: thomas a battu catalin, c'est tout ce qu'il faut savoir :p 
Javaness [2d\]: the organisers have a lot more to do than keeping the website up to date
Nemerid [-\]: ce serait encore plus un exploit qu'il batte o chi min
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are still not here
gogonuts [4d\]: keeping the website current seems important to me. They could have prepared an import script in advance
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there is some top results here http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1480
gogonuts [4d\]: thx
kyokunomi [1k\]: https://77.167.221.121/Go/Results.aspx
kyokunomi [1k\]: complete in the Intranet
kyokunomi [1k\]: ignore the messages
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: both players are reading daily bulletin now
gogonuts [4d\]: great result for Geert Groenen yesterday
Uberdude [4d?\]: who he beat?
Javaness [2d\]: he is beated strong payer?
Javaness [2d\]: seems antoine fenech
holynec [?\]: eurogotv3, double micro, very strong
BurzoS [2d\]: hello 
BurzoS [2d\]: EUROGOTV you won't broadcast Cornel's game against  INSEONG HWANG ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: looks like it
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;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
]
;W[dd]
;B[nc]C[BurzoS [2d\]: OK < thank you , and send to my brother all good wishes
gogonuts [4d\]: O17 is pretty vexing
MssrBlanc [3k\]: why is it vexing?
gogonuts [4d\]: think 15 minutes, then play Q5
gogonuts [4d\]: its the shimari that makes the most territory, unless you invade it
Uberdude [4d?\]: strange descritption
Uberdude [4d?\]: r15 o17 p15 makes more territory
gogonuts [4d\]: if you invade to early b gets too much thickness
Uberdude [4d?\]: unless you invade it
boatlord [5d\]: I like w side shimari on left, lots of territory
boatlord [5d\]: unless...
Uberdude [4d?\]: ;-)
BrYanwithY [5k\]: It vexes me
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I'm terribly vexed
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
whatisgo [1d\]: so where should w play?
Javaness [2d\]: popic will Q5 I guess
gogonuts [4d\]: after 15 mins :-)
BrYanwithY [5k\]: It vexes me that I can't scroll through the moves without cloning.....when I'm watching all four games and want to kibbitz.... :(
Ruzinus [5k\]: all four?
songha [1k\]: damn i need more monitors
BrYanwithY [5k\]: all for EuroGoTV games....yes, there's four :)
Uberdude [4d?\]: BrYanwithY, yes, that's one of kgs's worst "features"
Ruzinus [5k\]: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: I'm watching on one small laptop screen :P
Ruzinus [5k\]: theres an extra one today
Ruzinus [5k\]: awesome
Ruzinus [5k\]: I completely wouldve missed that
Uberdude [4d?\]: i don't understand wms's thinking
gogonuts [4d\]: van Zeist - Dinerchtein almost the same, Rob choose Q5
Javaness [2d\]: clone was a late addition i think
Javaness [2d\]: it used to crash the server
Uberdude [4d?\]: yeah, but why disable them
Ruzinus [5k\]: ah, in order to show breakfast
Uberdude [4d?\]: my only explanation is he thinks demos will have lots of variations, and he thought if you scroll moves you lose the head var
Uberdude [4d?\]: but that could easily be solved by the double right going to head var
Javaness [2d\]: hurry up popic
]
;W[po]C[atomix [1d\]: is this also relayed also on IGS?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
atomix [1d\]: only KGS?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
atomix [1d\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only pair go final was relayed on igs
]
;B[pl]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: who got 3rd on pair go?
Javaness [2d\]: popic magic sword?
holynec [?\]: oOOOOOOoooooooo
BrYanwithY [5k\]: magic sword....fun
Nemerid [-\]: magic sword if w play p3
Nemerid [-\]: but, the classic move is N4 nowadays
Americano [8k\]: or N3?
holynec [?\]: i say go un-classic ;)
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I thought just these three stones were the magic sword....
BernD [6k?\]: right nemerid....but magic sword is nowadays also used for the n4 variations...at least in one of the last articles in go-world
Americano [8k\]: what magic sword?
holynec [?\]: p3 starts it
holynec [?\]: 4 stones
BrYanwithY [5k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?MagicSword
holynec [?\]: this is just a 2 space high pincer
BrYanwithY [5k\]: "The Magic sword of Muramasa is a common name for the two space high pincer of the 3-4 point one-space high approach"
BrYanwithY [5k\]: That's how it was referred to in a book I looked at on chinese fuseki as well, I think....
holynec [?\]: alright leme open my book ;)
BernD [6k?\]: the "classical" term  for magic swors is like nemerid said
holynec [?\]: the book does say that starts it :o
holynec [?\]: apologies
Javaness [2d\]: anyway I guess popic will N4
]
;W[mp]
;B[oo]C[Ruzinus [5k\]: whence this nickname?
]
;W[on]
;B[no]
;W[pp]
;B[nq]
;W[qq]
;B[oq]
;W[nn]
;B[mo]C[Americano [8k\]: mm, now N4 seems weak
globax [4d\]: from french go congress in 1997, possibly
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I think I like white, but I'm not sure
Ripples [7k\]: why
Javaness [2d\]: R2
Americano [8k\]: e double peep at bamboo is said not to be good
BrYanwithY [5k\]: because white's stones seem to be doing more interesting things, more outward facing....but, with lots of weakness, so, idk..
holynec [?\]: even
Highwayman [1d\]: R2 or S3 ?
Qthulu [-\]: its a joseki
holynec [?\]: s4
Highwayman [1d\]: sorry R2 or S4 ?
Qthulu [-\]: r2 possible and it leads to fun ladder breaking stuff :-)
M4TTY [2k\]: r2
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I think not all joseki is really even
Americano [8k\]: then is not joseki
Qthulu [-\]: if they werent they they are not joseki anymore
BrYanwithY [5k\]: no, it's a matter of perspective
Americano [8k\]: read definition of Joseki
BrYanwithY [5k\]: question what you read
BrYanwithY [5k\]: "Joseki are generally agreed-upon sequences of play, mainly in empty corners, resulting in what is considered a fair outcome for both players. "
Javaness [2d\]: joseki should be rote learnt and played without thinking
Nemerid [-\]: S4 is the move now
BrYanwithY [5k\]: considered by whom, though?  People have different reasons for playing joseki.  I remember shyghost showing a position, and saying "the chinese generally think black is better here, and white has a disadvantage.  Koreans tend to prefer white, saying white has a better fighting position, and black has the disadvantage".  Something like that...
BrYanwithY [5k\]: sorry that was long :)
Nemerid [-\]: R2 is considered as less good
Qthulu [-\]: BrYanwithY your not strong enough to see those differences
BrYanwithY [5k\]: You can't tell me what I can and can't see :)
Americano [8k\]: ok, you are Cho Chikun
BrYanwithY [5k\]: ?
M4TTY [2k\]: omg r2 comeon!
Javaness [2d\]: is popic hungover? or just thinking a lot today?
BrYanwithY [5k\]: Anyways, my strength has nothing to do with my point, which is valid :)
Americano [8k\]: "your actions speak so loud that I cannot hear what you say" --Emerson :-)
Americano [8k\]: White is regreting the N4, i guess
BrYanwithY [5k\]: eh.  Maybe shyghost was wrong
MssrBlanc [3k\]: n4 is a common move here, americano
Americano [8k\]: i know is common, but there are other options
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;W[rp]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]: it just ends up being a sacrifice
Americano [8k\]: considering the ladders
kukulis4 [2d\]: ladders no impact after s4
kukulis4 [2d\]: ladders important if white R2
]
;B[jq]C[globax [4d\]: r14 at once ?
]
;W[pi]
;B[nl]C[Americano [8k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighApproachTwoSpaceHighPincerOgeimaChosVariation-- here a variation played by Cho Chikun
BrYanwithY [5k\]: here's the link he tried to post: http://senseis.xmp.net/?34PointHighApproachTwoSpaceHighPincerOgeimaChosVariation
Americano [8k\]: yes, sorry
Javaness [2d\]: R14?
Javaness [2d\]: In the Romanian, Czech, Hungarian jokes - who is the stupid one?
]
;W[mn]
;B[qg]
;W[lo]
;B[lq]
;W[ok]C[Americano [8k\]: no national stereotyping please
Javaness [2d\]: don't like white here
]
;B[ol]C[Americano [8k\]: I like Black more
Nemerid [-\]: m8 ?
]
;W[lp]
;B[mq]
;W[mk]C[Americano [8k\]: that was fast
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;B[ml]
;W[lk]
;B[qj]C[Americano [8k\]: preparing to fly
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;W[km]C[aware [1d\]: r11 too slow or good, save, solid?
Nemerid [-\]: r11 necessary...
]
;B[pj]C[aware [1d\]: so much for r11^^
Americano [8k\]: problem with Go is that you cannot play in 2 places at the same time
]
;W[hq]C[BrYanwithY [5k\]: house rules
Americano [8k\]: H4?
]
;B[ll]
;W[kl]
;B[kk]C[Javaness [2d\]: popic has a very fluid style
BrYanwithY [5k\]: where now?
Javaness [2d\]: jump
]
;W[kj]
;B[jk]
;W[jj]
;B[ik]C[huhuhu: o11?
]
;W[ni]
;B[oi]
;W[oh]
;B[oj]C[Seishiru [5k\]: n11 
Javaness [2d\]: this still looks a bit revolting for white to me
]
;W[ij]
;B[hk]
;W[lh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:18, black 2:09
photios [1d\]: euro, pls give the link to the live broadcast again
Javaness [2d\]: look in eurogotv's info
photios [1d\]: right :D
Pata [6k\]:  live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
]
;B[hp]C[drumsofwar [6k\]: that is the game between alexander dinerchtein  and an zeijst
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;W[gq]C[photios [1d\]: i see
photios [1d\]: but i believe they are switching between the boards
]
;B[jo]C[BrYanwithY [5k\]: every time I've looked it's been the same
Novalys [2k\]: w forced to make defensive move
Javaness [2d\]: I think Popic will tenuki onto top side
Javaness [2d\]: seems too slow to answer
BrYanwithY [5k\]: I was just thinking that
BrYanwithY [5k\]: but I thought I would be refuted, so I stayed silent :D
sameasyou [2d\]: I think he has to play locally
BrYanwithY [5k\]: at this point, white's move is slow no matter what.....amiright!
sameasyou [2d\]: Mero is doing a nice game
BrYanwithY [5k\]: yeah
Javaness [2d\]: why is popic going so slowly?
]
;W[jn]
;B[in]C[scurge [5d\]: difficult for popi
]
;W[im]
;B[kn]
;W[jm]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: hm
kukulis4 [2d\]: white alive in corner anyway
kukulis4 [2d\]: white alive with l10
kukulis4 [2d\]: black has runing group H9
kukulis4 [2d\]: I would  definately say that white has advantage
kukulis4 [2d\]: but this is my opinion of course :)
Baccano [2d\]: h7
]
;B[lm]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white J5 now
Baccano [2d\]: not g7?
]
;W[ln]C[Baccano [2d\]: I don't get it
Baccano [2d\]: why don't they focus more on center? whatever happens near those 4 black stones looks bigger
]
;B[hj]C[Baccano [2d\]: I'm happy now
Baccano [2d\]: :D
]
;W[hi]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]
;W[ii]C[Jocky [3d\]: GOOOO POPICU
Jocky [3d\]: \\
]
;B[fh]
;W[gg]
;B[fj]
;W[fg]
;B[eh]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]C[sameasyou [2d\]: I like b position more than w
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 0:52, black 1:53
songha [1k\]: hey it's that interviewer guy
songha [1k\]: oops wrong chat
]
;W[dg]
;B[kc]
;W[ch]
;B[ci]
;W[bi]C[donGoku [5k\]: f17!now!
]
;B[bh]
;W[cg]
;B[bj]
;W[di]
;B[cj]
;W[ej]C[sameasyou [2d\]: can a high dan tell us why didn't b choose c10 instead of b10?
]
;B[ko]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: j5
]
;W[io]C[BurzoS [2d\]: nice combo
sameasyou [2d\]: j4
]
;B[ip]
;W[hn]
;B[dj]C[Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
Alexios [3d\]: black looks good this game
malvita [1d\]: l2 bad aji
Javaness [2d\]: popic can still trick him
Alexios [3d\]: pop very strong
Alexios [3d\]:  but  csaba also and black looks better to me
Javaness [2d\]: time for pop to use the magic hat
Warfreak2 [5d\]: the one you made him wear?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: how is reading?
Javaness [2d\]: no
maligo [4d\]: pop better pray
Javaness [2d\]: don't you remember the Oza tournament
Warfreak2 [5d\]: in reading?
Javaness [2d\]: one of the players was bad, so they switched off the heating
Javaness [2d\]: it was in Amsterdam
sameasyou [2d\]: how was he bad?...beating the high dans when they went out to smoke?
Jocky [3d\]: yep
]
;W[jr]C[Javaness [2d\]: feels like white losing
Alexios [3d\]: exept if he kills bottom group:P
sameasyou [2d\]: b bottom very much alive
]
;B[kr]
;W[kp]
;B[jp]
;W[ir]
;B[kq]C[sameasyou [2d\]: g5 sente now?
]
;W[fo]C[sameasyou [2d\]: yes
malvita [1d\]: tat was magic hat for popy :)
sameasyou [2d\]: not sente
malvita [1d\]: it is sente
sameasyou [2d\]: if w q2 then b gets seki
sameasyou [2d\]: not sente
sameasyou [2d\]: e9
Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
Javaness [2d\]: white want to kill it all
Jocky [3d\]: why/.
Jocky [3d\]: :))
malvita [1d\]: q2 p2 r2and black dead?
donGoku [5k\]: kill l3 against a 6d?-thats a joke!
sameasyou [2d\]: no malvita
sameasyou [2d\]: after r2 b playes n2...that is seki
malvita [1d\]: how can you gat a seki?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: 1d doesn't know this shape?
malvita [1d\]: p11?
malvita [1d\]: p1?
]
;B[qn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: n2, m1, l1, o1, p1 and n1...that is seki
]
;W[pn]
;B[pr]
;W[qm]
;B[ek]C[sameasyou [2d\]: damn...Mero is in great shape 
]
;W[co]
;B[hc]C[Javaness [2d\]: come on popic
Javaness [2d\]: show some palinka spirit
sameasyou [2d\]: palinka is hungarian...and it seems mero has it :)
Javaness [2d\]: must fight fire with fire
sameasyou [2d\]: b is very tight
dado [1k\]: palinka is romanian not hungarian
sameasyou [2d\]: palinka is hungarian
BurzoS [2d\]: dado shut up
sameasyou [2d\]: romanians imported the term
BurzoS [2d\]: palinka = whiskey 
sameasyou [2d\]: not true
dado [1k\]: but I drink very good one in romania and was made there
sameasyou [2d\]: dado the word is hungarian
dado [1k\]: palinka is  made from plumes
Javaness [2d\]: why did i mention it )
dado [1k\]: ok
Javaness [2d\]: white has to break into the top somehow
BurzoS [2d\]: p17 maybe?
Javaness [2d\]: no way to build more, have to steal
dado [1k\]: I shut up...but so good is romanina palinka more than hungarian
Javaness [2d\]: P17 maybe yes
Javaness [2d\]: C17 open as well for black, looks impossible to win
Adin [2d\]: there are quite a lot of hungarians living in romania and usually they make palinka
Adin [2d\]: traditional romanian drink is tuica
dado [1k\]:  tuica?
dado [1k\]: ok
Adin [2d\]: yes
BurzoS [2d\]: tuica is in south of romania 
BurzoS [2d\]: 35% alcohol
dado [1k\]: ok
dado [1k\]: good
BurzoS [2d\]: palinka has 55% -60% alcohol in noth of Romania 
BurzoS [2d\]: Q16 also might be an invasion 
dado [1k\]: but this 2 are made with the same technology?
Javaness [2d\]: read about it on wikipedia dado
BurzoS [2d\]: yes , the diff is that in north they repeat 2 times the burning 
dado [1k\]: ok
dado [1k\]: thx
]
;W[fc]C[Javaness [2d\]: I would consider P16 now
dado [1k\]: b k16?
Javaness [2d\]: maybe H15?
dado [1k\]: b q12?
pcar [8k\]: is w looking to r11?
Javaness [2d\]: R11 is not working
pcar [8k\]: ok
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 0:25, black 1:32
dado [1k\]: b r8 sente
dado [1k\]: or s7
delperier [4k\]: p15?
globax [4d\]: p13 ?
Alexios [3d\]: wow
Alexios [3d\]: w  protected 2 corners
Alexios [3d\]: both*
]
;B[cc]C[dado [1k\]: ok
dado [1k\]: the fight will begin
dado [1k\]: w c16?
delperier [4k\]: yes
Javaness [2d\]: funny move
delperier [4k\]: ko?
]
;W[eb]C[Jocky [3d\]: tesuji
Jocky [3d\]: :D
sameasyou [2d\]: how much time do the players still have?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:18, black 1:22
sameasyou [2d\]: w under time pressure already
sameasyou [2d\]: is Mero out for a smoke?
globax [4d\]: b14-b13-b16 ?
]
;B[db]C[Javaness [2d\]: overtime is quite slow i guess
sameasyou [2d\]: 1 minute I think
]
;W[bd]C[sameasyou [2d\]: Pop wants some kills
nolimits [2d\]: Of course he wants, or else he loses
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Go Popic *\\o/*
]
;B[he]C[Javaness [2d\]: mero goes back to the normal game
delperier [4k\]: w f16
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Go Popic!
]
;W[gd]
;B[if]C[Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
pcar [8k\]: J16?
delperier [4k\]: no
Jocky [3d\]: no
sameasyou [2d\]: j16 bad
]
;W[kf]
;B[gb]C[sameasyou [2d\]: b 10-15 ahead now
]
;W[kd]
;B[jc]C[delperier [4k\]: w q16?
globax [4d\]: p17
plusguy [-\]: game is still close
]
;W[dc]C[photios [1d\]: time?
globax [4d\]: p13 still big for b
]
;B[go]C[sameasyou [2d\]: EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:18, black 1:22...this was like 5 min ago...w didn't use more than 2 min since
sameasyou [2d\]: cut where u can cut
luciangela [7k\]: cine a cistigat ?
]
;W[gn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: still playing
luciangela [7k\]: sau e live
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Sper ca Popic
luciangela [7k\]: cornel  ce a facut ?
]
;B[fn]C[luciangela [7k\]: catalin ?
]
;W[gp]C[photios [1d\]: habar nu am
]
;B[ho]C[photios [1d\]: e live
Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
Javaness [2d\]: what white do
delperier [4k\]: f7
Jocky [3d\]: yeh
meuns [2k\]: pop dead ?
meuns [2k\]: ^^
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nope
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Popic never dead
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Jocky [3d\]: :DD
pcar [8k\]: in repose
Javaness [2d\]: pop is so dead
Warfreak2 [5d\]: by admin decree
sutex [4k\]: aint this qiute big loss for w?
]
;W[pc]C[sutex [4k\]: go csaba go!!!
XY0908 [-\]: Will there be any Korean players today?
]
;B[qc]C[A1R [8k\]: are there any other results? on the other boards?
Jocky [3d\]: popicu is confused
Warfreak2 [5d\]: you just missed them
]
;W[pd]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: two koreans on board 1
A1R [8k\]: its over
XY0908 [-\]: And they are finished?
A1R [8k\]: board 1
A1R [8k\]: w+5
]
;B[pe]C[XY0908 [-\]: Thank you.
gdghgjd [1d\]: who won on board 4
gdghgjd [1d\]: ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still playing
]
;W[od]C[gdghgjd [1d\]: thx
A1R [8k\]: board 6?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: the same
]
;B[pb]C[A1R [8k\]: thx
sutex [4k\]: board 247??
XY0908 [-\]: I recommend all to become a VIP of EuroGoTV.
]
;W[oe]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: whats the advantag of it?
LeFourBe [5d\]: F7 and push on B7 dont work ?
pebarefoot [-\]: G'morning , XY
XY0908 [-\]: You will support it to grow.
XY0908 [-\]: Good morning pe.
Lepenski [1k\]: Bf7
Warfreak2 [5d\]: hmm
XY0908 [-\]: Why F7?
Lepenski [1k\]: Be6
XY0908 [-\]: If I were to play around that area, I would play at E6
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i wonder if eurogotv could employ a strong player to provide commentary
Warfreak2 [5d\]: in that case i would subscribe :-)
]
;B[oc]C[XY0908 [-\]: That's an idea.
]
;W[ob]C[Javaness [2d\]: I think the strong players find commenting on these games boring because they take so long
]
;B[nb]C[XY0908 [-\]: The players take too long?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: comment on all three at once :-)
]
;W[qe]
;B[re]
;W[pf]
;B[rf]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: simul reviewing
]
;W[ph]C[donGoku [5k\]: who is leading now?
Jocky [3d\]: me
Jocky [3d\]: :))
sutex [4k\]: leader
]
;B[rk]C[donGoku [5k\]: hehe
donGoku [5k\]: who wants smoke with me a joint?
XY0908 [-\]: ...
donGoku [5k\]: -sorry-
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white enters byo yomi
donGoku [5k\]: offtopic:D
Jocky [3d\]: f7
XY0908 [-\]: E7
]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]C[huhuhu: c8
]
;W[qh]C[Jocky [3d\]: lol popicu
sameasyou [2d\]: f6
XY0908 [-\]: No place to provoke a fight...
Jocky [3d\]: e6 better
]
;B[rm]
;W[rn]
;B[ql]
;W[qo]C[Jocky [3d\]: now popicu lose
sameasyou [2d\]: e6 I meant :)
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
]
;B[rr]
;W[qr]
;B[qs]
;W[sm]
;B[rl]C[donGoku [5k\]: KO already
]
;W[rq]C[donGoku [5k\]: nooo
sameasyou [2d\]: w gote
donGoku [5k\]: t5?
Javaness [2d\]: ai ai ai
donGoku [5k\]: ok,i shut up
huhuhu: no, please talk ^^
Jocky [3d\]: lol
donGoku [5k\]: :-)
Jocky [3d\]: :))
Jocky [3d\]: nah 
Jocky [3d\]: r12 bad move
huhuhu: yes I agree
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: he was in BY
donGoku [5k\]: e6 not enough big now?
huhuhu: I think e6 is very big
]
;B[rh]C[Naurul [8k\]: w f 7 ?
donGoku [5k\]: s12 seemd unneccessary
]
;W[qb]
;B[oa]C[Novalys [2k\]: why let w destroy your points in sente ?
huhuhu: b could live without s12 but s12 has very big yose value
Novalys [2k\]: Better play S12 ^^
donGoku [5k\]: okay^^
Novalys [2k\]: b7
]
;W[en]
;B[fm]
;W[em]
;B[fl]C[dimitriy [1k\]: b8 
donGoku [5k\]: c8
]
;W[bl]
;B[cm]C[Naurul [8k\]: Why e6 and no f7??
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Go Popic!
]
;W[bm]C[donGoku [5k\]: ga Csaba!
]
;B[eo]C[donGoku [5k\]: go...
]
;W[fp]C[Jocky [3d\]: shut up
Jocky [3d\]: whit csaba
huhuhu: Naurul, f7 didnt work. b could connect or live in the corner
Jocky [3d\]: :))
donGoku [5k\]: and how do you do in Dallas Jocky?:)(
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Go Popic *\\o/*
huhuhu: is that *lol* ? :P
donGoku [5k\]: Csaba has hungarian power as me,he will win!!!
sameasyou [2d\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Maybe he has hungarian power
sameasyou [2d\]: Csaba is a great guy
kenjiro43 [7k\]: But I guess hell lose
sameasyou [2d\]: still I pray Pop wins :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: He'll
huhuhu: dongoku, where do you hide that power? :P =)
donGoku [5k\]: :)
IcarusDes [3k\]: we will see the result :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeap
donGoku [5k\]: in my muscle:)
]
;B[ld]
;W[le]C[huhuhu: so you can throw goban to me :)
]
;B[jd]C[donGoku [5k\]: depends on how far do you live?
donGoku [5k\]: from Hungary:)
]
;W[je]
;B[ie]
;W[md]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: You little Schwartzenegger
numuri [2d\]: csaba always a hungry man !
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Lol
donGoku [5k\]: my best only 3500 miles with a midi goban
dado [1k\]: the game is close very close ...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: And modest too
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: quite close
]
;B[ke]
;W[rb]C[huhuhu: haha then you certainly will hit me :)
]
;B[rd]
;W[kd]
;B[lc]
;W[jg]C[globax [4d\]: s16 before= one more threat, pop tired..
]
;B[dn]
;W[do]
;B[dm]
;W[hd]
;B[id]
;W[gc]
;B[hb]C[huhuhu: b13
]
;W[nk]C[Kukker [6k\]: o10?
sutex [4k\]: go csaba, go!
sutex [4k\]: o12?
dado [1k\]: go pop go
huhuhu: Go Mero Go
delperier [4k\]: b f18
sutex [4k\]: :-)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: thomas debarre lost to oh chi-min
]
;B[ke]C[A1R [8k\]: resign?
]
;W[nd]C[huhuhu: game is very close
sameasyou [2d\]: anybody has any idea what Catalin Taranu and Cornel Burzo did?
A1R [8k\]: i mean if thomas has resigned
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: cornel is still playing
Qthulu [-\]: they played go probably
sameasyou [2d\]: thank you :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: catalin is in other room
sameasyou [2d\]: when Cornel game finishes will u, please, let us know who won?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ok
sutex [4k\]: catalin didnt realy have a good start in the tour, did he?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 2-2 after 4 rounds
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeah, but one lost to a korean player
]
;B[jf]
;W[lf]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]C[sutex [4k\]: whos winning?
delperier [4k\]: white?
]
;B[el]C[donGoku [5k\]: i think b
delperier [4k\]: h13?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thnk twice
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
donGoku [5k\]: ok,i want b
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I knew that
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;W[nj]
;B[bn]
;W[cn]
;B[bo]
;W[bp]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[en]
;W[dq]
;B[gf]
;W[ff]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]C[Kukker [6k\]: loool
Kukker [6k\]: j13
jantiff [-\]: \\o\\ \\o/ /o/ csaba !
Kukker [6k\]: no?
globax [4d\]: c8 
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
Kukker [6k\]: or c8
sameasyou [2d\]: j13 first
tomash [3k?\]: or q 13 first
sameasyou [2d\]: c8 after
]
;B[pg]
;W[og]
;B[qf]C[Jintanakar [5k\]: w win
]
;W[hg]
;B[pe]
;W[of]C[delperier [4k\]: i think no
tomash [3k?\]: why r 14 not j13..
AhSayuni [4d\]: I counted that b wins =/
jantiff [-\]: b game now...
Javaness [2d\]: if white wins this i am asotnished
Jintanakar [5k\]: 555555555555555555
Jintanakar [5k\]: hmmhmm
AhSayuni [4d\]: seems pretty close anyway
tomash [3k?\]: f19
bro [3d\]: seems like white is winning for sure
Kukker [6k\]: f19, then c8?
dado [1k\]: i have right go pop go
Baccano [2d\]: I count b+ as well
tomash [3k?\]: f19 j 13 c 8... but I count w+ :(
baduk4all [-\]: w+
Baccano [2d\]: my money on B!
donGoku [5k\]: i known b will win-thats all
AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe W+1
]
;B[cl]
;W[bk]
;B[ak]
;W[mc]
;B[mb]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: but not more
]
;W[pk]C[Kukker [6k\]: c9
AhSayuni [4d\]: c9 not so great I think
akula [1d\]: w 0,5
qwertu [1d?\]: just r9
globax [4d\]: c9 1 point gote or reverse sente
globax [4d\]: both 1.5 point
jantiff [-\]: C9 sente for b...
donGoku [5k\]: then a7 not better?
AhSayuni [4d\]: so is a7
globax [4d\]: yes..
globax [4d\]: then r9 sente..
dado [1k\]: ?
jantiff [-\]: R9 ~ C9
globax [4d\]: f19 also
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: cornel burzo lost to hwang in-seong by 3 points
sameasyou [2d\]: thank you
sameasyou [2d\]: damn
bro [3d\]: :(
Jintanakar [5k\]: T8
donGoku [5k\]: ...only 3points...
andreiraz [5k\]: 0.5 diference
dado [1k\]: gg for Cornel
donGoku [5k\]: Korea sparkling^^
jantiff [-\]: b F19 !
Baccano [2d\]: is f18 better? next w f19 not as sente as f18 if b f19?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: komi is 8 points
Javaness [2d\]: can't believe pop made this close
Baccano [2d\]: good point eurogo
Javaness [2d\]: is he wearing the magic hat?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: maybe invisible one
donGoku [5k\]: or he hearing christian rock?
akula [1d\]: if komi is 8, then popic win
jantiff [-\]: F19 better
andreiraz [5k\]: 1.5+w
donGoku [5k\]: i cant understand this high komi against a higher dan player
pel [2k?\]: no handicap
Jocky [3d\]: whu win here?
Javaness [2d\]: it's an even game
Jocky [3d\]: whu win here?
Jocky [3d\]: popicu win this game?
A1R [8k\]: diner won
donGoku [5k\]: POP (7d)-Mero (6d)
]
;B[al]C[Jintanakar [5k\]: w win
]
;W[an]
;B[ig]
;W[ih]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: w seems confident
AhSayuni [4d\]: not playing r9
]
;B[ck]
;W[ao]
;B[fa]
;W[ea]C[gdghgjd [1d\]: will there be broadcasting tomorrow?
Jintanakar [5k\]: b have 1 p
jim [6d\]: black ahead? or I mistake counting
donGoku [5k\]: komi:8
jim [6d\]: I hope to mistake
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Me too
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Jocky [3d\]: :D
donGoku [5k\]: i hope not
jim [6d\]: yes I know komi is too
Jocky [3d\]: white win 
Jocky [3d\]: :D
]
;B[js]
;W[is]
;B[ks]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: tomorrow is a weekend tournament but probably also with broadcast
Jintanakar [5k\]: a 13
Javaness [2d\]: black was so far ahead, is strange it is this close
]
;W[qk]
;B[rj]C[Gresil [-\]: black leading by 5-6?
]
;W[fb]C[jim [6d\]: well I just open the game
Kukker [6k\]: j3
donGoku [5k\]: but you are 6d jim!
jim [6d\]: 6dan on kgs 
BenSenTen [?\]: that's 9d in africa
Kayres [16k\]: xD
donGoku [5k\]: Csaba 6d kgs and 6d EGF
jim [6d\]: not in South Africa
sameasyou [2d\]: Csaba deserves 7d here easy
BenSenTen [?\]: then 2p in central africa
]
;B[iq]
;W[hr]C[che [-\]: Scaba is aromo?
Zebrabw: that means nothing
Jadeite [?\]: yes che
MegaStrong [1k\]: yes che
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes
telchar [1d\]: yes che
che [-\]: tx :)
LugPaj [2d\]: i am 9p on mars
BenSenTen [?\]: that means alot..
MegaStrong [1k\]: lol
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Beating all  the martians
che [-\]: i am 34k on jupiter
Javaness [2d\]: T8
BenSenTen [?\]: that's means some creatures do exist onmars n play go
]
;B[sl]
;W[sn]C[donGoku [5k\]: i am a woman on Venus
kenjiro43 [7k\]: He said it
LugPaj [2d\]: 34k = you cannot even move a stone? i guess thats right on jupiter
Jintanakar [5k\]: a10
che [-\]: therfore I am too weak
Leibnix [8k\]: how much would a go stone weigh on jupiter?
cuicide [2k\]: W+3
BenSenTen [?\]: u may, u invite those creatures to the spaceship to play with u
LugPaj [2d\]: more than you here, Leibnix
]
;B[ga]
;W[ag]
;B[ai]
;W[pm]C[jim [6d\]: yes white wins sure
kenjiro43 [7k\]: True
sameasyou [2d\]: lol...Pop is amazing
]
;B[ah]
;W[af]
;B[aj]
;W[am]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: As I said
Jintanakar [5k\]: 555555555555
Jintanakar [5k\]: w win
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Pop never dies
AhSayuni [4d\]: W+1?
jim [6d\]: Pop will be european chapion
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
jim [6d\]: champion
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: close.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: True
wintogo [7d\]: 1/2
donGoku [5k\]: has Pop account on KGS?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
TeeSushi [2d\]: q15 ko is important
Javaness [2d\]: Pop uses Solaris
Pata [6k\]: solaris
donGoku [5k\]: what his name?
donGoku [5k\]: thx
jim [6d\]: Pop uses many account
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b +5
Adante [1k\]: solaris & cpop
che [-\]: cpop for example 
TeeSushi [2d\]: rules are wrong eurogo its 8 komi not 6.5
meuns [2k\]: b wins ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: w wins
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b + 5
che [-\]: w win
sameasyou [2d\]: they are already counting ...let EuroGOTV to tell us who won
Highwayman [1d\]: W + 1
Ephemere [2d\]: depend on the q15 ko?
TeeSushi [2d\]: w+1 is my guess as well
Shinichi [3d\]: B+0,5
che [-\]: TeeSushi Uberstong
Shinichi [3d\]: :)
tomash [3k?\]: B+0,5
]
;B[rs]C[TeeSushi [2d\]: i guess they played it and eurogo missed
]
;W[sr]C[Highwayman [1d\]: W + 0,5 or B + 0,5, it depends on Q15
Shinichi [3d\]: NO
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Popic wins
tomash [3k?\]: yes highwayman
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Shinichi [3d\]: B +0,5 for sure
TeeSushi [2d\]: popic wins 
Leibnix [8k\]: I checked, things are just 2.3 times heavier on the surface of jupiter
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b + 5
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: komi 8
Shinichi [3d\]: because there's couple of KO
Shinichi [3d\]: komi 8?
Shinichi [3d\]: exciting
TeeSushi [2d\]: yes
Ephemere [2d\]: komi 8, w win
tomash [3k?\]: white wins jigo?
Zebrabw: wtf
TeeSushi [2d\]: no black
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black wins jigo
tomash [3k?\]: so black wins
tomash [3k?\]: :D
Highwayman [1d\]: where is the other ko ?
LugPaj [2d\]: now you know how i made my 2d...trying to fool others ;)
Jocky [3d\]: :))
donGoku [5k\]: hey,nobody knows who is winning?!:)
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b wins
Violence [-\]: this game is really really close...
Jocky [3d\]: 0,5
Nael: jigo ?
tomash [3k?\]: r15 and black won?
Youssev [5d\]: seems W+1
che [-\]: thisa is confuzzing me
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Popic+Magic Hat *\\o/*
Leibnix [8k\]: why not add .5 to the komi instead?
mind3: w+3
BenSenTen [?\]: maybe they r same as us, still not sure who is winning
Violence [-\]: B+tiebreak...
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b +5
tomash [3k?\]: not add  - it's more like substract (cos black wins jigo)
Violence [-\]: Since Black wins ties, it's a b+0.5
Nael: can someone explains to me what jigo means ?
tomash [3k?\]: (so komi is like 7,5)
elsirenito [1d\]: p1 bad aji?
Leibnix [8k\]: aha
Violence [-\]: a tie, Nael
cancerwa [5d\]: w+0.5
cuicide [2k\]: w+1
TeeSushi [2d\]: w+1
Nael: a tie ?
Youssev [5d\]: +1 ( Ing rules )
Nael: hum ..
donGoku [5k\]: jigo=equal
Ephemere [2d\]: w+1
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b +5
Javaness [2d\]: palinka magic
meuns [2k\]: w+10
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;B[qe]C[donGoku [5k\]: hehehJava
]
;W[np]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Not palinka
]
;B[op]C[sacrifice1 [12k\]: b +5
]
;W[sq]
;B[ps]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Tuica rules
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;W[mm]
;B[nm]
;W[om]C[donGoku [5k\]: palinka best drink all over the world!:)
]
;B[ss]C[jim [6d\]: white last dame
Cassis0 [5d\]: 5000 euros for best korean 
poukram [2d\]: nice ...
Cassis0 [5d\]: :) 
Komachi [3k\]: Thank you, EuroGoTV3.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thank you Euro
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Javaness [2d\]: I just don't understand how Pop managed to win :)
Elandal [3k\]: In 2007 looks like 10000€ prize pool for open, 5000€ for egf members, so 3000€ for win and 1600€ for top egf player.
]
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che [-\]: +1
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Drink tuica and rachiu first
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: don
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b wins
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
bejenie [12k\]: neah, ţuica de prune is the best :)
meuns [2k\]: w 73 - b 88
Javaness [2d\]: How is?
meuns [2k\]: no ?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeap
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Tuica rulezzz!!!
che [-\]: +1
sacrifice1 [12k\]: b +5
Nael: tie ?
TeeSushi [2d\]: should be w+1
donGoku [5k\]: i test it,i promise kenjiro!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: OK Don
andreiraz [5k\]: 0.5+w
che [-\]: TeeSusch UberStong
andreiraz [5k\]: popic won
andreiraz [5k\]: :))
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: who won.?
Javaness [2d\]: in Japanese rules Csaba won
che [-\]: popo
meuns [2k\]: b
Violence [-\]: Black should win
andreiraz [5k\]: Cristian Pop
Warfreak2 [5d\]: every game, the kibbitzers don't agree on the result even after it's finished
andreiraz [5k\]: by 0.5 
Mocramis [4k\]: w+1
Javaness [2d\]: Ing Rules white wins by 0.5?
che [-\]: Sind wir denn alle nicht nur Pipis und Popos?
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: lol@warfreak...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: And the winner is...
LeFourBe [5d\]: Chinese rules.. SE cant count.. that s why
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: very true...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Cristian Pop
wintogo [7d\]: white won by 0.5
Gresil [-\]: Ing rules, not chinese
meuns [2k\]: w 73 - b 88
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: W+1
esko [2k\]: lol che
TeeSushi [2d\]: wintogo there is no 0.5
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
meuns [2k\]: arg !
Ephemere [2d\]: yes!
jim [6d\]: hehe
jim [6d\]: great
Violence [-\]: oh jeez
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeah!
poukram [2d\]: it's fourb rules 
donGoku [5k\]: NOOOOO!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Bravo Popic!
TeeSushi [2d\]: told you the whole time
Javaness [2d\]: Eurogotv3, can you tell Popic he was lucky
bejenie [12k\]: zes
sacrifice1 [12k\]: nooooooooooooo
sameasyou [2d\]: amazing
wintogo [7d\]: ing rule?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Told you Don
kenjiro43 [7k\]: No chance against Popic
tomash [3k?\]: yeah last dame for white was crucial...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Lol
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
donGoku [5k\]: im so miserable now:)
wintogo [7d\]: 1 point
Javaness [2d\]: Popic too tall
jantiff [-\]: what is the official result ?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Don't be
donGoku [5k\]: and go to drink a palinka
Javaness [2d\]: White+1
jim [6d\]: well you need luck to be European champion
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Go on
Leibnix [8k\]: w won because of h14? lol
TeeSushi [2d\]: thanks java
jim [6d\]: very good Popic
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Cheers
Koreangrl8 [3k\]: yey!!
shusaku1 [-\]: congrat popic!!!
jantiff [-\]: graaaaaaaouuuuu the villain won by 1 in both games :(
donGoku [5k\]: cheers everybody
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Good work Popic!
sameasyou [2d\]: jantiff...there is no villain here
andreiraz [5k\]: Good work Popic! :) :))
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Cheers Don!
jantiff [-\]: ing rules are wicked !! ^^
andreiraz [5k\]: ^_^
sameasyou [2d\]: Pop and Mero are good friends
kenjiro43 [7k\]: We wait european title from Popic
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
che [-\]: now they leave as enimies
kenjiro43 [7k\]: It is true
luciangela [7k\]: go romania go
jantiff [-\]: ok, thanks for relaying
WoolyMaCha [5k\]:   Is Pop from Romania?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: They are friends
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes, he is
poukram [2d\]: what are the prizes in the tournament ?
])