(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 6 board 3]PW[Oh Chi-Min]PB[Hwang In-Seong]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-03]EV[main]RO[6]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[KR]BT[KR]US[kamyszyn]C[Chilltime [2k\]: in seong oh chi min here?
Chilltime [2k\]: nice
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;B[qd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[oc]C[A1R [8k\]: lets go in-seong
che [-\]: Hwang won this game in Pardubice by I think 1.5 points
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;B[md]C[rikiyu [2k\]: this game? its not live?
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;W[qk]C[Gzperi [2k\]: all the games are live.
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;B[qi]C[scurge [5d\]: I heared oh chi min is stronger then hwang, but oh usually loses to hwang because oh's style doesn't fit hwang's
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;W[qo]
;B[op]C[Yanwangye [-\]: w is rusty?
crottmann [8k\]: yes
Yanwangye [-\]: and B?
Chilltime [2k\]: i think they are about equally strong
Chilltime [2k\]: b doesnt play on kgs
Yanwangye [-\]: thx 
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;W[ep]C[che [-\]: B's id on KGS is crowis
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;B[od]C[crottmann [8k\]: chilltime, isn't b teaching in wiesbaden?
che [-\]: he lives in Frankfurt
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;W[cp]C[crottmann [8k\]: yes, and once per month teaching at WI-GO, i think. 
crottmann [8k\]: right?
che [-\]: keine ahnung
Yanwangye [-\]: b lebt in deutschlandß
Chilltime [2k\]: jo
seppy [?\]: g3?
Chilltime [2k\]: w auch
Chilltime [2k\]: b is teaching in wiesbaden frankfurt and that region
Chilltime [2k\]: there is even a possibility to get private teachings from him if u live near frankfurt
Yanwangye [-\]: COOL 0d 
Chilltime [2k\]: well kind of he teached wi-go 2 times  but right now there is no new teaching planned
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;B[jq]
;W[dj]
;B[fc]
;W[df]
;B[nc]
;W[lc]
;B[mb]
;W[hc]C[che [-\]: I met b a few weeks ago. I was relly impressed. I hope he can win the tourney
crottmann [8k\]: they both play pro-level?
crottmann [8k\]: i think alex Dinerchtein reched 5th place behinf them in the main tour
Chilltime [2k\]: hm hwang said once to me
Chilltime [2k\]: I didnt become a pro in korea because i only scored 30% against other low dan pros
crottmann [8k\]: i wisch i could score 0,003%
Chilltime [2k\]: :-)
crottmann [8k\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
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;B[dc]
;W[cc]
;B[cb]
;W[ec]
;B[db]
;W[ed]
;B[eb]
;W[bc]
;B[fd]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]
;W[he]
;B[ff]
;W[hg]C[che [-\]: In tournaments: hwang 3:2 Oh
che [-\]: (in european tournaments)
DangoMango [5k\]: communist will succeed and take over go!!!
DangoMango [5k\]: go ho chi min!
Brian90 [12k\]: it kind of seems that no matter what b does with that group, it'll only strengthen w
Brian90 [12k\]: b definitely needs to tenuki
Brian90 [12k\]: maybe try and keep sente a while
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;B[gg]C[Brian90 [12k\]: woah
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;W[hh]C[che [-\]: If b tenukied w would have killed f18 group. b needs to ensure life first
Brian90 [12k\]: all the while, white is getting influence and a hold of the center
Brian90 [12k\]: honestly, b should have B 17ed when he had the chance, I feel
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;B[gh]
;W[gi]C[delperier [4k\]: D13 or12?
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;B[hf]
;W[if]
;B[ge]
;W[gf]
;B[dh]
;W[hf]C[che [-\]: Brian: another choice for b than playing this was to play c16 instead of e18. Then he had easy life in the corner. But in this situation it would have been to good for w to seal b there
Brian90 [12k\]: hmm
Brian90 [12k\]: I kind of assumed b wouldn't be able to get as far as D 12 
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;B[dg]C[che [-\]: this needs too deep reading for me :(
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;W[cf]C[badukwang [3k\]: @Dangomango: dont say stupid things..
GoIsBoring [1d\]: omg they play so slow
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;B[ef]C[Brian90 [12k\]: watch 4 boards at once. It makes things more interesting
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;W[bb]
;B[bg]
;W[bf]C[che [-\]: or read deeper^^
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;B[cd]
;W[ce]C[Chilltime [2k\]: is b trying to kill?
che [-\]: No
che [-\]: b wants C13 sente I guess
che [-\]: cant kill
srtjutjr: is whites advantage so big that b has to think this much?
che [-\]: to me game looks quite even
che [-\]: b can use time however he wants :)
troublegum [7k\]: and if you have that much time you should use it 
Cookiex [2k?\]: is there a live feed from this match?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: only 1st board
Cookiex [2k?\]: ok thnx
Chilltime [2k\]: hm
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 2:10, black 1:17
Oloril [1k\]: have both these players lost once?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
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;B[bj]C[gisel [2d\]: against who did Chi-Min lost?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
gisel [2d\]: thanks :)
Oloril [1k\]: is this the last round?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there is 10 rounds
Oloril [1k\]: ah, so these players still have a chance to win
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: sure
Oloril [1k\]: go rusty!
bobstep [4k?\]: is anyone undefeated?
huginmunin [4k\]: jun sang youn is
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Chang Yuan Jung  - Radmacher Bernd  1-0 (board 8)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go rusty
GoIsBoring [1d\]: how old are players?
A1R [8k\]: b is 26
A1R [8k\]: w is maybe 21
IchiYuki [-\]: chi min is 22
bobstep [4k?\]: rusty has declared he will win tourney
IchiYuki [-\]: yes couse of it he should not loose anymore
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;W[cg]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[bi]
;W[ag]
;B[fi]
;W[fj]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[ej]
;W[ei]
;B[fk]
;W[fh]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Shiu Chang-Li  - Mitic Dusan  1-0 (board 5)
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;B[di]
;W[fj]
;B[ek]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]C[bobstep [4k?\]: isn't f13 sente because of cut at e13?
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;W[cm]C[Pylon [2k\]: zhang yanqi still playing?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Pylon [2k\]: thx
Pylon [2k\]: too bad i cannot watch anymore :(
Pylon [2k\]: was really a pleasure to see them play in groningen ^^
Pylon [2k\]: were u the only broadcaster on the weekend?
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;B[bl]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Pylon [2k\]: then i saw ya ^^
Pylon [2k\]: my phone just rang during one of the games... quite a shame
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I chose to relay games instead of playing in weekend myself ;)
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;W[hq]C[Pylon [2k\]: ^^
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: initially there was no plan to show weekend tournament on kgs
Pylon [2k\]: very strange
Pylon [2k\]: but good that you relayed some games :)
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;B[qp]
;W[po]C[Pylon [2k\]: do the players decide where to place the clock?
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;B[oo]C[Pylon [2k\]: cuz it was quite difficult for you to see the time
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white player always decide
Pylon [2k\]: ok
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;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[ol]
;B[pn]
;W[qn]
;B[on]
;W[nl]
;B[qm]
;W[rm]C[che [-\]: is ur and ll same size?
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;B[pl]
;W[pk]
;B[oj]
;W[rd]
;B[re]C[KlerChazal [-\]: this game is violent
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:29, black 1:05
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;W[oh]
;B[oi]
;W[qh]
;B[ri]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[qf]
;B[rc]
;W[rf]C[GoIsBoring [1d\]: w seems favorable
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;B[ok]
;W[se]C[seppy [?\]: r6 dead?
kash [5d\]: does s9 kill?
yoshiro [3k\]: after s9 s8 for w ??
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;B[qb]C[Youssev [5d\]: I think W can live without conditions
Youssev [5d\]: Afetr R8 and connection , WS4, B blocks and w plays S10
kserks [2k\]: after s4 -s6
schwing [1k\]: isn't it still dead after w s10 b s5?
Youssev [5d\]: no because w has the have at T11
schwing [1k\]: ah, sure...sorry
Pylon [2k\]: t10 better than t11
Pylon [2k\]: t11 might provoke ko
Pylon [2k\]: well, i read again, think i misread ^^
Pylon [2k\]: yeah, no ko... but t10 produces less aji
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;W[ql]
;B[pm]
;W[sl]C[gryn [1k?\]: t6
seppy [?\]: s5 s6 s4?
wintogo [7d\]: white is dead
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;B[ro]C[vingol [1d\]: if it could live it was a gameloosing mistake i guess
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;W[rn]
;B[rp]C[wintogo [7d\]: black made a mistake
seppy [?\]: wich one?
wintogo [7d\]: s5
Youssev [5d\]: yes alive now
gryn [1k?\]: t6 now
wintogo [7d\]: still dead
wintogo [7d\]: that is ok
wintogo [7d\]: not  mistake
gryn [1k?\]: oh t6 does not quite work
schwing [1k\]: due to damezumari?
Youssev [5d\]: why dead ?
Senki [2d\]: how about t10?
Pylon [2k\]: s10
seppy [?\]: r10?
wintogo [7d\]: s10 t10
GoIsBoring [1d\]: it's dead due one eye
Youssev [5d\]: S10 , T6 , T10
wintogo [7d\]: s10, t10
gryn [1k?\]: s10 t6 right?
Pylon [2k\]: t9
wintogo [7d\]: t10, s10
Pylon [2k\]: after t10 t9
GoIsBoring [1d\]: s10 t10 t9 t6 t11 s12 t12 t13 
wintogo [7d\]: s10, t10, t9 then t6
Pylon [2k\]: ok
wintogo [7d\]: still dead
yoshiro [3k\]: t6 s9 r10 
wintogo [7d\]: white t6, black t10
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;W[qj]C[seppy [?\]: t10 t9
schwing [1k\]: t6 s9 r10 s10 q11 q10 <- doubble atari
wintogo [7d\]: this move doesnot work
derp [1k\]: q10 now?
wintogo [7d\]: yes
wintogo [7d\]: schwing , it does not work
]
;B[pi]C[gargl: hm
seppy [?\]: t6 then?
gargl: alive now isnt it ?
wintogo [7d\]: black stupid
]
;W[sn]C[seppy [?\]: q10 t6
yoshiro [3k\]: alive
gargl: t10 then
schwing [1k\]: wintogo: yes, which is also shown in my variation, right?
yoshiro [3k\]: t9
derp [1k\]: without q10, t10 doesn't work
wintogo [7d\]: no
k0n0 [?\]: B q10 had some weakness?
wintogo [7d\]: you are wrong
gryn [1k?\]: s10 instead of q11 right?
derp [1k\]: q10 instead of q11
wintogo [7d\]: b should go q10
schwing [1k\]: if w instead of r10, t6 for instance, s s9 and then the sequence r10 s10 q11 q10 <- double atari. where am I wrong?
flocke [3d\]: q10 would answered with t10
gryn [1k?\]: i got your win, thank you
gryn [1k?\]: you*
k0n0 [?\]: flocke: then s10
wintogo [7d\]: no
wintogo [7d\]: not s9
pi3rrot [4d\]: q10 better at q11
wintogo [7d\]: t10
wintogo [7d\]: schwing, not s9  black play t10
schwing [1k\]: s9 works too, no?
wintogo [7d\]: no
wintogo [7d\]: it does not work
schwing [1k\]: can you give me sequence, why not?
gargl: s10
schwing [1k\]: nvm, I think I got it
wintogo [7d\]: s9 then white goes s10
wintogo [7d\]: not r10
che [-\]: wintogo t13 any good?
schwing [1k\]: didn't see the damezumari on b, thx
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:09, black 0:35
wintogo [7d\]: no
wintogo [7d\]: that is not good
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;B[og]C[gryn [1k?\]: p13 = kill the wall
wintogo [7d\]: this move is not good
gryn [1k?\]: black's position seems deflated.
gryn [1k?\]: how about k5 instead?
gryn [1k?\]: j5*
yoshiro [3k\]: maybe in seong  has headaches
kserks [2k\]: m8
wintogo [7d\]: i think 0 10 is better
wintogo [7d\]: noooo
wintogo [7d\]: o 13
wintogo [7d\]: i typed wrong
wintogo [7d\]: o 13 is better
wintogo [7d\]: now, white o 13, black q12
wintogo [7d\]: then
wintogo [7d\]: white s12
kserks [2k\]: o13-q12
MilanChe [-\]: wintogo could b kill w with q 10 instead q  11?
wintogo [7d\]: yes
TeeSushi [3d\]: go in-seong you can to it
TeeSushi [3d\]: *do
MilanChe [-\]: i don't see how, can you give me seq. pls
wintogo [7d\]: if you w, what are you going to next?
TeeSushi [3d\]: s12 would be the easy move
MilanChe [-\]: t 6 same
TeeSushi [3d\]: acording to theory p8 is dead ^^
che [-\]: Che MilanChe!
MilanChe [-\]: hi che
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;W[rh]C[MilanChe [-\]: :)
Enigmatic [5k\]: q10 t6 t10 dead
Kratzdrink [2k\]: time?
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;B[lk]C[wintogo [7d\]: yes , Enigmatic
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:58 black 0:33
Kratzdrink [2k\]: thanks
]
;W[ko]C[MilanChe [-\]: than s10 instead t 6
]
;B[lp]C[gargl: s10 t10
]
;W[lo]C[Enigmatic [5k\]: t10 again. I can't find life. For example: b q10 s10 t10 t9 t6 t11 s12 t12 t13... dead, no connection
]
;B[ip]
;W[kp]
;B[kq]
;W[mp]
;B[lq]C[wintogo [7d\]: yes, Enigmatic
]
;W[mn]C[robert [6d\]: wintogo, maybe black would not be able to answer w L4 or around there?
wintogo [7d\]: MilanChe, follow the Enigmatic's move
robert [6d\]: that aims at wN10?
MilanChe [-\]: hm....
Enigmatic [5k\]: w would need some extra stone at s13 or so.
Enigmatic [5k\]: to get connection
MilanChe [-\]: you right
MilanChe [-\]: thx
che [-\]: k8 geta ^^
wintogo [7d\]: can black kill all white?
che [-\]: does he need to?
wintogo [7d\]: no
wintogo [7d\]: he doesnot need to kill all
coser: s9?
che [-\]: is b f3 enough reduction?
wintogo [7d\]: still black is not bad
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Kim Eunkuk  - Zhang Yanqi  1-0 (board 4)
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;B[mq]
;W[kk]
;B[ll]
;W[jm]
;B[kj]
;W[jk]C[wintogo [7d\]: p 13 was bad
]
;B[mm]C[wintogo [7d\]:  Atthis situation,  black does not need p13
wintogo [7d\]: instead black can play T 13 to kill
]
;W[nm]
;B[nn]
;W[lm]
;B[ml]
;W[kl]C[bobstep [4k?\]: Dinerchtein won
bobstep [4k?\]: now no undefeateds right?
bolb [-\]: right
kserks [2k\]: f4
]
;B[fq]C[mcw85 [7k\]: 1 loss has Alex.
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;W[lj]
;B[nk]C[che [-\]: B in byo-yomi soon?
Pylon [2k\]: oh no.. yanqi lost :(
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:45, black 0:20
che [-\]: tx
mcw85 [7k\]: :-(
]
;W[hp]
;B[fp]
;W[ho]
;B[dq]
;W[cq]
;B[dp]
;W[eo]
;B[do]C[oneway [5d\]: w+
Nemu91 [4k?\]: yeah go oh chi min ^^
barakeel [1d\]: i  dont see white's strategy here
MilanChe [-\]: neither do i
Nemu91 [4k?\]: that's why we're not 7 dan XD
MilanChe [-\]: however i think b'll win
Nemu91 [4k?\]: i hope not ;p
Muscadet [?\]: to capture a stone in the center is very big. So it is important to have sente at the bottom left
barakeel [1d\]: bottom left more important at present
barakeel [1d\]: white will have sente
barakeel [1d\]: or it's a disaster
harlej9 [2k\]: I like the way w plays
harlej9 [2k\]: but dont get what's going on in this corner
Chilltime [2k\]: who is leading?
choboco [1k\]: which corner?
harlej9 [2k\]: c3
harlej9 [2k\]: that's too large to sacrifie
harlej9 [2k\]: sacrifice*
oneway [5d\]: b7
MilanChe [-\]: Euro time pls...
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:26 black 0:17
MilanChe [-\]: thx
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;W[en]
;B[co]
;W[dr]
;B[eq]C[harlej9 [2k\]: v interesting
]
;W[bm]C[harlej9 [2k\]: b5?
kserks [2k\]: b6,b4
harlej9 [2k\]: is w aiming on d12 group?
TomGo [1k\]: aiming to keep corner
harlej9 [2k\]: :)
Highwayman [1d\]: b6?
yoshiro [3k\]: b6 c8 ?
Muscadet [?\]: withb2 b gives w a dead shape or capturesd2
]
;B[cl]
;W[dl]
;B[dk]C[harlej9 [2k\]: I think that after b7 w would live in the corner
harlej9 [2k\]: right?
harlej9 [2k\]: :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white has resigned
harlej9 [2k\]: ups
Hipcio [3d\]: Oh
che [-\]: clapclap
Zeit [11k\]: oo
yoshiro [3k\]: why
che [-\]: as d3 is alive
barakeel [1d\]: cant kill black
RazorX [2k\]: b5 doesn't work ?
che [-\]: b5 b4 I think
RazorX [2k\]: yes
barakeel [1d\]: then b6 and a 7 for black
wintogo [7d\]: no
che [-\]: IN-Seong for the tournament win
Kratzdrink [2k\]: d7 better than a7
wintogo [7d\]: b5, b6
wintogo [7d\]: a4
wintogo [7d\]: E7
wintogo [7d\]: white won
wintogo [7d\]: no
wintogo [7d\]: black won
wintogo [7d\]: no more
XY0908 [-\]: haha
sameasyou [2d\]: :)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: B+R
wintogo [7d\]: yes
wintogo [7d\]: black won by resign
XY0908 [-\]: Are you there at the EGC, wintogo watching the game in real life?
A1R [8k\]: jipiiiiiiii
Youssev [5d\]: what happened, this game is no more on ?
Youssev [5d\]: cannot see it in english room
seppy [?\]: youssev B+R
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