(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 6]PW[Alexandre Dinerchtein]PB[Sang-Youn Jun]WR[3p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-03]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 6]RO[6]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[HW9x9]C[schwing [1k\]: wuhu, on time :D
mcw85 [7k\]: Someone needs to change that trash can.
mcw85 [7k\]: Good game. ^^
schwing [1k\]: someone for sure needs to clean the board o.O
schwing [1k\]: are there really more w stones on this board, or does it just look like?
gornuf [18k\]: just looks ike there is
Chilltime [2k\]: hey ll
CheG [5k?\]: Go Diner!
wotan123 [2d\]: go sang youn jun!
Kyuss [1k\]: go Sang-Youn :)
Crescent [1d\]: who won this game
kingbong [1k\]: b?
DokdoKorea [2k\]: i love both
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
DokdoKorea [2k\]: and love eurogotv too
DokdoKorea [2k\]: and love every 2kyu in the world
Ranye [9k\]: why i dont see any moves?
InABuzz [-\]: hen is the final pls?
Chilltime [2k\]: friday
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is round 6 of 10
InABuzz [-\]: thx
InABuzz [-\]: artem we miss you in groningen :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are waiting for the black player
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
wotan123 [2d\]: its early in the morning
Onmyoji [2d\]: q16 
xDragon [15k\]: off work tomorrow so i can finally stay up and watch some of these
Onmyoji [2d\]: w leads
DokdoKorea [2k\]: hehe
gornuf [18k\]: Eurogo theres no sound coming from the feed
Konsta [-\]: Move 13 is wierd what you think?
seppy [?\]: no sound???
tamagoshi [18k?\]: no sound on eurogotv please ?
greenpig [?\]: hi
Ranye [9k\]: where can i see the resalts of the previous rounds?
tamagoshi [18k?\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info
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;B[pd]C[snowman [-\]: silent movies are back
andrey87 [17k\]: http://www.egc2009.com/?q=node
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;W[dc]C[seppy [?\]: uhm why no sound?
Onmyoji [2d\]: why do you need sound?
dimitar [2k\]: less lag
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now?
Gzperi [2k\]: good
seppy [?\]: yes
Crowno [10k?\]: ok
seppy [?\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: forgot sorry
tamagoshi [18k?\]: cool thx
gornuf [18k\]: good on sound 
gornuf [18k\]: Thx eurogo 
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;B[qp]C[InABuzz [-\]: why dinerchtein hasten played the weekend?
InABuzz [-\]: has not*
InABuzz [-\]: his first game today?
Gzperi [2k\]: didnt feel like it probably
Tobamf [7k?\]: has Alex won all his games so far?
Onmyoji [2d\]: no
zzz [2k\]: to rest
StefanRadu [2d?\]: he has lost by half moku one game.
Tobamf [7k?\]: how many has he lost?
zzz [2k\]: 4-1
Tobamf [7k?\]: okay, to whom?
mcw85 [7k\]: This would be a great win for breakfast.
Onmyoji [2d\]: some korean
nyri [4k\]: What are the rules? Ing?
Tobamf [7k?\]: heheheh
mcw85 [7k\]: Good time to be playing it to, after a rest.
mcw85 [7k\]: Modified ING.
Gzperi [2k\]: www.egc2009.nl then wal list
Crescent [1d\]: how come only 3 moves are played
dimitar [2k\]: thatts the game so far
Onmyoji [2d\]: because they have played only 3 moves
DokdoKorea [2k\]: thinking
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
xDragon [15k\]: hes playing out the entire game in his head
Onmyoji [2d\]: first 4 moves decide the game 
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
InABuzz [-\]: d3
Onmyoji [2d\]: so this move very important
mcw85 [7k\]: First move decides.
thelo: hoshi
InABuzz [-\]: d3 is common fuseki or only KGS sytle?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: last move decides
InABuzz [-\]: style*
ColorCoded: I read from this book once that first move indeed decides the nature of the game
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't like d3.
InABuzz [-\]: i see it often
mcw85 [7k\]: I think hoshi is common.
expat [4d?\]: there are 3 stones on the board, guys
goal3k [1d?\]: haha, how cool that jun is just reading
BoGoss [2k\]: lol black bored and started readin something
Onmyoji [2d\]: joseki book
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;W[cq]C[expat [4d?\]: it's a bit hard to say d3  is bad :)
DokdoKorea [2k\]: whoever resign decide winner
wotan123 [2d\]: hui
InABuzz [-\]: o
Kyuss [1k\]: wow nice answer i think
wotan123 [2d\]: san san
thelo: hoshi is probably most common with the upper left komoku, followed by komoku in other direction
mcw85 [7k\]: I just said I don't like it.
Morgan [3k\]: someone give that guy a napkin..since he is picking his nose:)
thelo: san san uncommon
StefanRadu [2d?\]: ola san san and welcome to hawai!
mcw85 [7k\]: Territorial game for white.
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;B[oq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: san san always wins
snowman [-\]: has breakfast studied sakata's games
InABuzz [-\]: sure#
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;W[qf]C[monobrow [6k?\]: you bet
expat [4d?\]: w has 7.5 komi
mcw85 [7k\]: 8 komi.
purpnoL [14k\]: I heard breakfast saying a while back he was diggin the 3/3
Onmyoji [2d\]: b win
goal3k [1d?\]: how does eurogo knows where they play before them^^`
mcw85 [7k\]: Breakfast does play san-san often.
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;B[qh]C[BoGoss [2k\]: life stream delayed?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: its called delay
snowman [-\]: time is relative
thelo: there is video lag
A1R [8k\]: do anyboby know who is Lee Min Ho?
mcw85 [7k\]: Clairovoyant.
gornuf [18k\]: the video is delayed
wotan123 [2d\]: 8 komi for w
expat [4d?\]: sorry, yes, 8
goal3k [1d?\]: ah, thx :)
thelo: I'm very interested to see this response
expat [4d?\]: territorial game interesting for w :)
mcw85 [7k\]: san-san
thelo: r17 is probably territorial move here
gojustingo [8k\]: why not w R10?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: must be 7k to play san san
goal3k [1d?\]: wouldnt have thought of that
greenpig [?\]: hi hurry!
InABuzz [-\]: another kakari
thelo: but it looks like black's influence becomes dangerous after that joseki
mcw85 [7k\]: I wouldn't play san-san.
oleisman [2k\]: R17
mcw85 [7k\]: I would change direction.
purpnoL [14k\]: jump or r17
wotan123 [2d\]: r17
dimitar [2k\]: more reading material for black
StefanRadu [2d?\]: sal MIhai
thelo: jump seems to usualy lead to a shoulder hit
leger [1d\]: Sand-Youn, what is he reading ?
thelo: which would be bad for a territorial game
katana3 [4k\]: which style has black?
dimitar [2k\]: article about badgers
leger [1d\]: literally, the paper, it looks like a newspaper ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tournament bulletin
gojustingo [8k\]: w q7
xDragon [15k\]: that guy has a good view
gojustingo [8k\]: or o16
leger [1d\]: an european congress newspaper page ?
monobrow [6k?\]: paper copy of kgs kibitz
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
Dogen [5k\]: how many more rounds are there in the tournament?
BoGoss [2k\]: eurogoTV2 day-off today or?
Gzperi [2k\]: 5 with this one
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;W[od]C[thelo: O.O
InABuzz [-\]: hihi
wotan123 [2d\]: upsala
dimitar [2k\]: wow
mcw85 [7k\]: Interesting.
Dogen [5k\]: so ten rounds altogether? that's a lot
oddalot [7k\]: trick play coming
purpnoL [14k\]: whats this biznis
dimitar [2k\]: shinte?
Gzperi [2k\]: thats 2 week tournament
Gzperi [2k\]: weeks
expat [4d?\]: did dinerchtein use a research move?
mcw85 [7k\]: Wants to build influence here?
leger [1d\]: bad move, not a single pro would play p16 ! err.. wtf.. one just did ?!??
Xenopus [?\]: never saw that move before
gojustingo [8k\]: bless u
Gary34 [4k?\]: the prince of trickplays just did, yep
mcw85 [7k\]: Exciting. ^^
GoIsBoring [1d\]: cool move
ColorCoded: guess he wants to have something to say at his kgs lecture
Maybe5k [4k\]: trick
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
fatihsulak [2d\]: anyone knows whether this is joseji or not? 
zzz [2k\]: alex likes new moves
StefanRadu [2d?\]: it looks broked. has no flow.
GoIsBoring [1d\]: igs dans play it 
gojustingo [8k\]: p15 
mcw85 [7k\]: Not joseki
RyuuGan [3k\]: EuroGoTV... can camera be on the top of a board?
snowman [-\]: wang yang vs. zhang xuebin 2008-07-17
expat [4d?\]: must be a new move
xDragon [15k\]: can b be penalized about 10 points for bad fashion sense
leger [1d\]: but this can be devastating.. if black manages to punish
mcw85 [7k\]: Where would they play if camera was on top of board?
scurge [5d\]: he played this move last year already
snowman [-\]: chinese import, it seems
Onmyoji [2d\]: :O
expat [4d?\]: i doubt he would play it without research
zc3k [1k\]: P16 unusal
scurge [5d\]: it's his own inovation he prepared against koreans
purpnoL [14k\]: how should b respond
Chilltime [2k\]: interesting
goal3k [1d?\]: one reads, one goes away,... why dont they just play go^^
thelo: it's hard to respond, that's the point of new moves
xXxXxXxXx: new joseki? :O
fatihsulak [2d\]: thx scurge
AyoLogie: Q15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if you want to see the board from top look at kgs
Meareal [4k\]: xD
leger [1d\]: q15 is so obvious, probably the trick
thelo: this should be an interesting pattern :)
dimitar [2k\]: window the stream and kgs and put next to each other
atr [11k\]: r17
zc3k [1k\]: anyway very trickery
AyoLogie: well as long as i can't see the trick i would play it
monobrow [6k?\]: q15 w r17?
mcw85 [7k\]: I want to look at the KGS board from an angle and the real board from top!
thelo: well you write that code, and you can
dimitar [2k\]: tilt your monitor
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only VIP-members can do that
mcw85 [7k\]: :-(
Luhmann: hane i think
JoostC [3d\]: suggestion: black q15, white q17, if black r17 white r18 (ladder good for white)
thelo: euro, what's alex up to?
gojustingo [8k\]: q14 not good?
Meareal [4k\]: p16 mssclick
purpnoL [14k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Alex wants to win
WolfRayeT [6k\]: lol
leger [1d\]: in my local go club, against such a trick play and against a stronger player, i would play p15 
leger [1d\]: to show fight spirit
xDragon [15k\]: alex has time for photo op's too
gojustingo [8k\]: what country is this in?  Holland?
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
Xenopus [?\]: he wants to win? Now that's a good strategy, must try it myself...
gojustingo [8k\]: amsterdam?
wotan123 [2d\]: groningen
gojustingo [8k\]: can you smoke marijuana there?
boatlord [5d\]: perhaps q17 for b
fatihsulak [2d\]: q15 seems only move
mcw85 [7k\]: No drug talk, please.
Luhmann: q14 looks joseki hmm
Sakeus [-\]: :)
AyoLogie: q15 or p17
thelo: seems like there are a few interesting moves
Cogita [3d\]: i dont get the move... 
AyoLogie: but i m not strong enough to use p17 so i would play q15
xDragon [15k\]: honestly id play q15 just to see what w does
mcw85 [7k\]: Q14 is joseki if white o17.
purpnoL [14k\]: how much time do the players have?
RyuuGan [3k\]: w is funny =)
Luhmann: w would not o17
zc3k [1k\]: very sexy one
RedMahura [4d\]: If p16 is a trick play, it implies that this white is too weak that he only has to resort to a trick play against an amatuer.
Sakeus [-\]: o clock are on bad side :)
Maybe5k [4k\]: so many asians
wotan123 [2d\]: the next move will decide the game
svrcd [?\]: all info in http://egc2009.nl
WolfRayeT [6k\]: R16 before p17?
Luhmann: w would q15 or r15 i think
kane955 [4k\]: r17 maybe?
xDragon [15k\]: asian invasion
gojustingo [8k\]: q15 ......q14 ..........p15 ......p17 ...black will play one of these
leger [1d\]: q15 looks like the shape move, and that's why Sang-Youn can't play it.. if this is a trick play, it's probably intended to trick q15
ebola [10k\]: w is a pro, right?
yithril [2d\]: wtheck?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, i noticed to late
purpnoL [14k\]: its not a trick play if w can make a good result from any response
Youssev [5d\]: new move ??
songha [1k\]: ah mr pop
Sakeus [-\]: igo is asian game then european invasion :)
xDragon [15k\]: lol at all the people wandering in and out
dimitar [2k\]: that guy is tall
mcw85 [7k\]: Sandles with socks? Fashin faux pas!
AyoLogie: this is an asianvasion
goal3k [1d?\]: alex seems to be nhervous^^
Youssev [5d\]: go through the elefant eye says the proverb...
Luhmann: trick play means: you have a good result if your opponent dosnt know the solution and a somehow bad result if he does
Cogita [3d\]: i think p17 is nice
Maybe5k [4k\]: just think if normal joseki white goes to san-san, as long as the final result is not better than san-san is ok
Luhmann: q14
AyoLogie: maybe he just miss"put the stone"
xDragon [15k\]: i think that guy was laughing at b
yithril [2d\]: trick or no trick this is definitely new
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he made that move for us
Q161 [13k?\]: lol
Cogita [3d\]: he just told you? ^^
dimitar [2k\]: fan service
Cogita [3d\]: or what?
Lebron [?\]: maybe mis-place ;)
Sakeus [-\]: that move making oponent to much thinking because its rare then good for alex :)
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks, breakfast!
Lebron [?\]: is there a tv link?
ebola [10k\]: too much vodka yesterday
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Luhmann: q14 q15 and b gets a ponnuki and w a huge corner
Maybe5k [4k\]: kosumi R15 white extend black hane P17
Luhmann: klok jseki
leger [1d\]: not cool, this move is not in my "compendium of trick plays" book
dimitar [2k\]: maybe its time tesuji, new variation
goal3k [1d?\]: why is everyone so excited about p16...i played it when i was 21k
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Sakeus [-\]: haha :)
thelo: exactly >.<
ebola [10k\]: R17
yithril [2d\]: I love the way alexander is like stroking his chin
yithril [2d\]: "welcome to my parlor said the spider to the fly"
xDragon [15k\]: more asians
thelo: well it is go
yithril [2d\]: it's their natural habitat
Sakeus [-\]: s16
Sakeus [-\]: :)
xDragon [15k\]: woiuld yellow fever be offensive?
yithril [2d\]: ....yeah....
Xenopus [?\]: A text lecture by Alexander Dinerchtein, 3p, the lecture topic is "New moves, played on European Go Congress"
yithril [2d\]: about that
Maybe5k [4k\]: racist u.
xDragon [15k\]: jut asking
mcw85 [7k\]: Time tesuji with 2.5 hours left? Haha.
xDragon [15k\]: w+time
seppy [?\]: tenuki!
zc3k [1k\]: n i wonder still i wonder who stop the rain on P16
dimitar [2k\]: pass!!
thelo: hahaha
Youssev [5d\]: if Q15, perhaps then Q17, R17 P17 then B R18 and w Q13
Xenopus [?\]: I think he just wants to make sure he has something to talk about in that lecture for kgs+
wotan123 [2d\]: time tesuji in the beginning ;-)
gopro [1k\]: run away!!!
ebola [10k\]: it's time suji b/c it lets opponet waste time
Sakeus [-\]: resing :)
fatihsulak [2d\]: tenuki and d16 foe example :-) 
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;B[pe]C[Luhmann: q15 or q15
]
;W[pc]
;B[qc]C[Luhmann: finally
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;W[qb]C[purpnoL [14k\]: nobi!
wotan123 [2d\]: oh yes
DokdoKorea [2k\]: xDragon-yellow fever
purpnoL [14k\]: ahhh double hane
Lebron [?\]: very fast plays
leger [1d\]: this is the trick
]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
;B[qd]
;W[oc]C[ebola [10k\]: p15
fatihsulak [2d\]: so is this even? 
pafy [3k\]: go sang-youn jun
Luhmann: d15
thelo: mehthinks not
mcw85 [7k\]: Black overconcentrated.
Tien [7d\]: Doesn't look bad for black
Lebron [?\]: s18
scurge [5d\]: hm now black's shape is a bit ineffectif 
yithril [2d\]: oh god this is going to be one of those 'haha i got you by 2 points" trick plays that never convince me
gornuf [18k\]: w + 21.5
pafy [3k\]: go sang-youn jun
pafy [3k\]: go
thelo: aji with r14, despite thicknes
goal3k [1d?\]: lol, yith
pafy [3k\]: no
pafy [3k\]: but
DokdoKorea [2k\]: doreat of us _saturdaynite fever
fatihsulak [2d\]: it seems white is better 
zc3k [1k\]: P15
Mauro [3k?\]: this play was good 4 white?
Luhmann: hmm p15 looks only move
dimitar [2k\]: prefer white
RedMahura [4d\]: S18 is big
gojustingo [8k\]: b r9 
leger [1d\]: w does look better here
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;B[pf]C[Sakeus [-\]: black run
Luhmann: honte
fatihsulak [2d\]: k16 now? 
seppy [?\]: l16?
Luhmann: not p15??
thelo: note that w influence on the upper side can be large with a shimari on d17
gojustingo [8k\]: c14 
kane955 [4k\]: q17 was nice white now has tempo
zc3k [1k\]: Q14 long life
xDragon [15k\]: whats in that room thats so interesting?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 2
wotan123 [2d\]: i think its even
Lebron [?\]: cpop!
xDragon [15k\]: oh
Sakeus [-\]: its kitchen they go to cook something :)
Luhmann: wow if he would not 7dan id say q14 a bit slow, but he is
Lebron [?\]: honte
Luhmann: yup
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: can't count how many times someone made that joke, sakeus
leger [1d\]: 7d is maximum rank at this tournament, he is 9d kgs
mcw85 [7k\]: The extension here seems normal.
xDragon [15k\]: kim joon sang and cristian pop?
dimitar [2k\]: k3
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: xdragon, look at the game by eurogotv2
Sakeus [-\]: ah rly ? :)
mcw85 [7k\]: By the way, thank you EGTV1. :-) You guys do a great job.
Luhmann: id d15 now
wotan123 [2d\]: so what was the trick?
yithril [2d\]: the kid is like "wow othello"
ebola [10k\]: clap clap clap
yithril [2d\]: "so cool"
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;W[jq]C[dimitar [2k\]: woo im a 3p!
gopro [1k\]: well after the 100st time it becomes funnie again
]
;B[de]C[Luhmann: miai
fatihsulak [2d\]: white will play for territory it seems 
fatihsulak [2d\]: c15 i think 
Youssev [5d\]: pincer 
gojustingo [8k\]: why is there not an audience in some bleachers?  you would think there would be lots of spectators
xDragon [15k\]: its a small room
Youssev [5d\]: D12 only move :)
yithril [2d\]: the go players would attack each other gojustingo
yithril [2d\]: you know how violent we are
Luhmann: f16
Sakeus [-\]: c12,13
fatihsulak [2d\]: i would play f16 here but probably he will choose c15 
gojustingo [8k\]: wtf lol
xDragon [15k\]: yea we love life and death
ebola [10k\]: i dont see any cheer leaders  :(
Luhmann: aftre sansan it seems he loves corners
leger [1d\]: c13 
thelo: meh thinks go is underrated as a spectator sport
Luhmann: i hate life and death :(
Luhmann: i mean it makes me crazy often
yithril [2d\]: i think i can fit WoW and go on the same screen
mcw85 [7k\]: Taranu  is playing Cornel.
wotan123 [2d\]: c15
Youssev [5d\]: high pincer better because san san in the lower left
zc3k [1k\]: all plrs here, cnt play?
mcw85 [7k\]: Doesn't seem high or low has any relationship with san0san.
Luhmann: sure
Yanwangye [-\]: wow pro plays san san? 
mcw85 [7k\]: Oh, my. Something gorgeous on camera.
Maybe5k [4k\]: whos that girl?
seppy [?\]: d11?
dimitar [2k\]: 7d
gornuf [18k\]: ur mom
purpnoL [14k\]: hillarous.
ebola [10k\]: thats my girl
dimitar [2k\]: drinks water
gonoshogi [18k\]: lol
Luhmann: id f16 simple
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yanqi Zhang 6d
Luhmann: 2 corners is enough :P
expat [4d?\]: w likes his komi
purpnoL [14k\]: 2 corners plenty
KoshiKun [6k\]: only pros participate in this tournament?
mcw85 [7k\]: No, amateurs, too.
RyuuGan [3k\]: looks like not
KoshiKun [6k\]: so
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: everybody can
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: only 3 pros participate in this tournament
xDragon [15k\]: well given that b is an amateur
mcw85 [7k\]: Sang-yoon is amateur.
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;W[cg]C[Youssev [5d\]: I suggest D14, to remain in the same spirit as P16
Momogo [3d\]: there are 30kyu-5p
purpnoL [14k\]: oooh low pincer
Luhmann: s28 looks first yose move later ^^
KoshiKun [6k\]: 3 pros
leger [1d\]: i got it
Kyuss [1k\]: nice move
Luhmann: s18*
KoshiKun [6k\]: lol
RyuuGan [3k\]: and w is one of them?
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;B[ef]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
KoshiKun [6k\]: i wonder how many there are in the entire world
Kyuss [1k\]: f16 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: others are catalin 5p
Sakeus [-\]: AAAAAAAAAAAA I was right :)c13 :)
purpnoL [14k\]: kosumi
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and a 1p I don't remember
DeatheKid [2k\]: G17
Kyuss [1k\]: c16 ?
Kyuss [1k\]: :)
xDragon [15k\]: fenale?
DeatheKid [2k\]: g17
fatihsulak [2d\]: g17 and white will be low everywhere
Sakeus [-\]: b16
Luhmann: e13 :P
wotan123 [2d\]: g17
xDragon [15k\]: tengen
mcw85 [7k\]: d11?
fatihsulak [2d\]: g17 seems normal as well as f16 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Chang  yuan jung  1p is other pro
Sakeus [-\]: g16,h16
xDragon [15k\]: tall guy with unlit cig?
Luhmann: g16 is crap imo
gonoshogi [18k\]: a19 is big
purpnoL [14k\]: hillarious.
gonoshogi [18k\]: lol
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;W[cd]C[xDragon [15k\]: ill throw in c15 ca use its not out there
xDragon [15k\]: oh
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;B[ce]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Wow.
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
dutch2dan [?\]: a1 slightly bigger imho :)
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;W[fc]C[Kyuss [1k\]: now f16/17
mcw85 [7k\]: So territorial!
Maybe5k [4k\]: ????
scurge [5d\]: hmm?
Youssev [5d\]: this W like points, not that romantic play ...
gonoshogi [18k\]: yeah i have to say ur right
scurge [5d\]: C15 is ok?
Maybe5k [4k\]: not nice
fatihsulak [2d\]: white thinks komi is enough 
Luhmann: romatic is for hippis
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: anti-Korean style
DeatheKid [2k\]: black resign
Luhmann: good point eurogo^^
Sakeus [-\]: I want hear coment from guo juan on that :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he would never play likenthis against a Japanese player
fatihsulak [2d\]: i am not sure of c15 
mcw85 [7k\]: Black planning some attack on c13, I presume.
wotan123 [2d\]: d12
mcw85 [7k\]: Maybe just shoulder hit?
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;B[cn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gojustingo [8k\]: c10 
xDragon [15k\]: and b is wearing an awful shirt
ebola [10k\]: how old r they?
gopro [1k\]: eido go says D12 instead of C15
Youssev [5d\]: e13
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't like c10.
bwcloud [2d\]: c9
purpnoL [14k\]: how dont you like 2 space extention
Luhmann: e13 looks nice
Sakeus [-\]: i like c9
xDragon [15k\]: how bout all the way with 8
DeatheKid [2k\]: they are to shy to play the move when the other player is in the room
gojustingo [8k\]: what else is going on in that building today?
Sakeus [-\]: haha
xDragon [15k\]: asian convention
dimitar [2k\]: real pokemon battle
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nothing
gojustingo [8k\]: thx
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 600 plyers
gojustingo [8k\]: 600?!?
ebola [10k\]: that hallway is kinda busy
thelo: that's almost over 9000
Luhmann: 600 is more than we are :(
DeatheKid [2k\]: what 9000
ColorCoded: powerlevel
dimitar [2k\]: but vegeta!??
DeatheKid [2k\]: xD
blackauron [-\]: search in youtube over 9000
Luhmann: e13 korean sytle, c10 anti-korean style
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i would play f4
mcw85 [7k\]: C10 is just asking for a weak group
fatihsulak [2d\]: but white cannot win this game without fighting
seppy [?\]: looks like black is better?
purpnoL [14k\]: 2 space extention is not weak
ColorCoded: wonder if mr. dinerchtein has concenration issues, he has not been still for 10 secs entire game
kane955 [4k\]: who is qgo and has to watch his language?
wotan123 [2d\]: e4
ColorCoded: well, speak of the devil
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Sakeus [-\]: ride side is bad for white :)
fatihsulak [2d\]: f4 seems nice  locally but passive 
DangoMango [5k\]: watch the amateur beat the ppro
xDragon [15k\]: probably like me, unable to sit still
Luhmann: c13 isnt really light after the right side loos that huge allfready
thelo: purpoL, I'ma make this very clear
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: qgo got banned from KGS yesterday
xDragon [15k\]: yall see the US congress games earlier?
monobrow [6k?\]: what about d5?
thelo: 2 space extention is not ista-win
xDragon [15k\]: there was a 9p against 4d in a tourney game, the 9p won nigiri and took b
purpnoL [14k\]: indeed its not instant win, but its also not asking for a weak group
gojustingo [8k\]: can you smoke cigarettes inside the building?
xDragon [15k\]: needless to say, b+resign in 48 moves
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
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;W[ep]C[gojustingo [8k\]: d12
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;B[ck]C[wotan123 [2d\]: e4 only move
xDragon [15k\]: wheres he get the beads at?
ebola [10k\]: he comes in right on and plays
fatihsulak [2d\]: white will not fight at early stage 
Luhmann: c11 and fight
Sakae [-\]: b is korean
mcw85 [7k\]: Finally Breakfast gets on that fourth line!
Sakae [-\]: I think b win
Youssev [5d\]: e10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: f4 was better ( i am a san-san player)
dimitar [2k\]: hes trained in the art of kei-oh-ken
mcw85 [7k\]: C11 bad.
JoostC [3d\]: d10 is a nice point for white
fatihsulak [2d\]: i will not surprised to see white play n3 
Luhmann: why c11 bad?
Youssev [5d\]: d10 sorry
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;W[mq]C[Luhmann: very common id say
Youssev [5d\]: not e10
Yanwangye [-\]: eurogotv1 whats your rang?
acellist1 [4k\]: maybe e4 gives more support for a fight on left
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;B[dh]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: see? he will play for territory
Youssev [5d\]: d12
Youssev [5d\]: now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1
Youssev [5d\]: strange...
dimitar [2k\]: w trying to avoid fights?
mcw85 [7k\]: Rank 1? Haha.
Youssev [5d\]: strange style
Youssev [5d\]: from w
Youssev [5d\]: S18
Luhmann: n3 was huge and c13 still tons of aji
expat [4d?\]: now it gets interesting
Youssev [5d\]: now to be sure the corner will be W
monobrow [6k?\]: it's like, my counting is better than yours, so you get the short end if we both keep taking territory
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;W[rj]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Breakfast reall doesn't have much territory.
mcw85 [7k\]: ...
Momogo [3d\]: -.-
ebola [10k\]: is that a cheat sheet
xDragon [15k\]: more trick fun
mcw85 [7k\]: Interesting.
Luhmann: breakfast has 2.5 corners allready and a side
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't think that side is territory yet.
monobrow [6k?\]: the side is invasible
fatihsulak [2d\]: i would play r10 instead of s10 
Luhmann: ame: c13 not dead yet
Luhmann: same*
mcw85 [7k\]: Never said it was.
expat [4d?\]: s10 followup move was prepared by white when he researched p16
expat [4d?\]: can be pretty sure
acellist1 [4k\]: I think s10 is part of his style
mcw85 [7k\]: S10 threats to bring out r14.
mcw85 [7k\]: I guess.
fatihsulak [2d\]: so s10 was the all strategy 
Luhmann: what a nice move indeed
fatihsulak [2d\]: get sente and profit then play s10 
qgo [4k\]: good morning EuroGo
thelo: hmmph
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: morning mr watch out for your language
Luhmann: thelo: took salt in your coffee=?
qgo [4k\]: you see I am on again
thelo: white got corner (sort of), side influence
wotan123 [2d\]: q10
thelo: black got over concentration and aji
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you have to thank jyem qgo
qgo [4k\]: Is that you Harrie?
abak [2k\]: is s10 bigger than k16 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Harry with a Y
Luhmann: k16 gote
KoshiKun [6k\]: harry potter?
qgo [4k\]: ok
qgo [4k\]: did you help me out?
abak [2k\]: q14 seems too strong already
]
;B[ri]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: r5 now?
DangoMango [5k\]: how much tinme do they have? do all people play long games at tournaments
Luhmann: long game= 2 days^^
bwcloud [2d\]: interesting, w has only two stones on the 4th line :)
expat [4d?\]: 2.5 hours each i think?
mcw85 [7k\]: 3!
thelo: depends on which fouth line
thelo: c16 could be :)
DangoMango [5k\]: 1 is on the 6th line!
ebola [10k\]: he's balding
seppy [?\]: s10 kikashi?
abak [2k\]: r6 bad?
mcw85 [7k\]: One is o n the 18th line.
Luhmann: r5 better i think
Luhmann: w loves corners ^^
xDragon [15k\]: girl alert
DangoMango [5k\]: s4!
RyuuGan [3k\]: if r6 r14 aji works
Luhmann: ahh i need the link to the cam soon^^ 
mcw85 [7k\]: Not my girl. :-(
RyuuGan [3k\]: *were
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Luhmann: thx!!! lol
leger [1d\]: i missed the girl, or did you mean the guy with long hair ? it's common at go tournaments
Momogo [3d\]: haha
xDragon [15k\]: green shirt? im pretty sure that was a girl
ColorCoded: why am i not watching the cam when a pretty girl walks by :(
expat [4d?\]: b is more solid than w, but will have to work hard to overcome the komi
DeatheKid [2k\]: the pro thinks now
DeatheKid [2k\]: i m bored 
Sakeus [-\]: q9
mcw85 [7k\]: White tenukis here.
xDragon [15k\]: while b sips from his juice box
expat [4d?\]: watch the other 2 games too, deathekid :)
abak [2k\]: Sang Youn Jun read a paper...
Asaliuru [21k\]: lol
wotan123 [2d\]: tenuki seems not good for me
roestvrij [2k\]: what is the price money?
dimitar [2k\]: hes gonna pass
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;W[rp]C[DeatheKid [2k\]: thoghts of the pro while you are thinking i can read harry potter 1-6
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
B2la: quelqun parle francais ??
Luhmann: cxonsequent
DangoMango [5k\]: omg i said that move!!
DangoMango [5k\]: beofre he moved
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: first prize 15000 euro
KoshiKun [6k\]: yeah what is the prize money
dimitar [2k\]: you are a 3p
expat [4d?\]: white seems to be playing for confusion in this game
Luhmann: 4 wanna 4 corners and trust in the proverb
KoshiKun [6k\]: 15000 euro
expat [4d?\]: what is the time on the players' clock?
KoshiKun [6k\]: thats like
frktos [2k\]: DangoMango is GREAT!!!
roestvrij [2k\]: thx
fatihsulak [2d\]: can black play s5?
KoshiKun [6k\]: nothing compared to other "sports"
mcw85 [7k\]: Left is infamous question mark shape.
DeatheKid [2k\]: dango^^
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;B[ro]C[frktos [2k\]: what´s next move?
DangoMango [5k\]: s5
fatihsulak [2d\]: r5 it seems 
expat [4d?\]: r5
foo [-\]: cut, of course
frktos [2k\]: hahahah
DangoMango [5k\]: imeant r5
DeatheKid [2k\]: r3
DangoMango [5k\]: lol
frktos [2k\]: good call^^
DeatheKid [2k\]: r3
KopiPeng [6d\]: may i ask the european 3P is from which country please?
ebola [10k\]: w likes 2nd line
DangoMango [5k\]: r5 ftw!
xDragon [15k\]: russia
mcw85 [7k\]: RUssia.
dimitar [2k\]: europe
KopiPeng [6d\]: I see, thanks for the reply
B2la: france
xDragon [15k\]: asia
xDragon [15k\]: eurasia
bwcloud [2d\]: s5 5k move?
bwcloud [2d\]: hehe
mcw85 [7k\]: Can W be the european champ?
]
;W[qo]
;B[po]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: he has good chances
RyuuGan [3k\]: eurasia... is not a country =)
]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]C[DangoMango [5k\]: w00t i got r5 correct too
dimitar [2k\]: my asia?
xDragon [15k\]: its a combo of europe and asia
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white was European champ 7 times before
]
;W[qm]C[expat [4d?\]: b playing very fast
mcw85 [7k\]: Guess that's a yes.
]
;B[rm]C[frktos [2k\]: you should be at least1p dango
DangoMango [5k\]: haha thx
frktos [2k\]: :)
DeatheKid [2k\]: dango dango dango dango dango daikozoku
xDragon [15k\]: r3 now?
Momogo [3d\]: blk is male or female?
Maybe5k [4k\]: r they using kaya board?
mcw85 [7k\]: So, Russia is part of europe.
]
;W[ql]
;B[qq]C[xDragon [15k\]: and its a part of asia
fatihsulak [2d\]: q4 
Luhmann: part of russia is^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b is male
dimitar [2k\]: this ok for white?
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
Luhmann: question is: is azerbaidschan europe? what about gerogia?
Ebenezer [6d\]: r11
mcw85 [7k\]: Asia.
xDragon [15k\]: azerbaijan?
scurge [5d\]: s10 s11 exchange is very questionable
Ebenezer [6d\]: or q11
gojustingo [8k\]: yes, if moscow is in europe so are those countries
expat [4d?\]: s10 s11 looks strange now, yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for go a country is Europe if it is a member of the EGF
Asaliuru [21k\]: it looks bad for white
expat [4d?\]: does w have something up his sleave?
xDragon [15k\]: russia is in both europe and asia
dimitar [2k\]: they're pretty short sleaves
TomGo [1k\]: ural divides europe and asia
xDragon [15k\]: the area in western russia, including moscow and the other big cities, are in europe
IGoofy [1d\]: ws outside lokks useless and even weak
xDragon [15k\]: the ural mountains divide it
Ebenezer [6d\]: maybe o5
xDragon [15k\]: then most of russia, siberia, is asia
Asaliuru [21k\]: he hides stones there
Chilltime [2k\]: j16 now?
Maybe5k [4k\]: what kind of equipment r they using? very nice!
Luhmann: in the middle ages russia was in the north of gronongen, not in the east ^^
Luhmann: see all not that easy^
Tobamf [7k?\]: isn't all of Russia in Asia?
Sakeus [-\]: w b15
xDragon [15k\]: no
RyuuGan [3k\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Russia is Europe because Russia is a member of the European Go Fedration
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so is Israel
mcw85 [7k\]: Nope, a small part of Russia is in Europe.
TomGo [1k\]: that settles it!
mcw85 [7k\]: Israel is in europe?
xDragon [15k\]: that small part includes nearly every big city in russia
Luhmann: sure
Maybe5k [4k\]: pop
mcw85 [7k\]: Interesting geography. :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: whole Russia is Europe in Go
ColorCoded: everything important in russia is in europe
Tobamf [7k?\]: I thought after the USSR crumbled, then the bit that was Russia (all 17 million sq km) fell into Asia, and places like Ukraine were in Europe
RyuuGan [3k\]: part of Russian in Europe before Urals... and other part after Urals in Asia =)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: has nothing to do with geography
expat [4d?\]: israel is not in europe, except in competitions :) 
bERt0r [11k\]: nah thats completly wrong
mcw85 [7k\]: I think all of Ukraine is in Europe.
Dogen [5k\]: they're in the Eurovision song contest too
expat [4d?\]: like football
xDragon [15k\]: thatd be funny if i lived in vladistovok, russia which is very close to korean peninsula
Luhmann: eurogotv is smart
mcw85 [7k\]: I am not sure, though.
suiram [5k\]: and russia has many subsidaries lite bulgaria slovakia ukraine.. etc
dimitar [2k\]: anyone get what white wants with r5 group? itj ust looks like weak stones
suiram [5k\]: ;)
watergun [-\]: israel is a middleeast country
mcw85 [7k\]: Properly should get back to the game.
Dogen [5k\]: but then again so is Israel, and you'd be hard pressed to find a way that, geographically, they are part of Europe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, Israel is Europe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in Go
Tobamf [7k?\]: so Russia actually extends over the Ural mountains then. That's a good lesson for me
Maybe5k [4k\]: so many asians
watergun [-\]: i see
xDragon [15k\]: russia is a huge country tobamf
Luhmann: has nothing to do with geographie , simple with mentalities and who gives the definitions
Mikkie [10k\]: geografical center of Europe is in Ukraine
ColorCoded: http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/European-Map-L-GN0431.jpg
Dogen [5k\]: is Palestine in Euorpe then?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nothing to do with maps
suiram [5k\]: mikkie hehe
Maybe5k [4k\]: all asians taking a fan
suiram [5k\]: i r wrong
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Palestine is not a member of the EGF
Luhmann: hehe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but welcome ofcourse
Tobamf [7k?\]: yes, xDragon, almost 2 times the size of the next closest competitor in land area.
wotan123 [2d\]: what should w do with his rigth side stones?
Dogen [5k\]: other middle eastern countries?
Momogo [3d\]: how much is price
expat [4d?\]: eurogo, how much time do the players have left?
Luhmann: id escape into the center wotan, making some shape^^
Asaliuru [21k\]: poor b, he must be bored
xDragon [15k\]: k16
wotan123 [2d\]: o7
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: small countries for free i believe; maybe they even get money
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;W[qi]C[xDragon [15k\]: not even close
dimitar [2k\]: alex is gonna escape
Tobamf [7k?\]: no, black cannot be mored. When you play with Alex, he rocks in his seat, keeping you nervous all game
Tobamf [7k?\]: *be bored
]
;B[pi]
;W[qj]
;B[rh]C[ebola [10k\]: 15000€
xDragon [15k\]: girl alert
mcw85 [7k\]: Cute kids, are they high dan?
monobrow [6k?\]: p9?
expat [4d?\]: b is playing superfast
dimitar [2k\]: dwarfs!
Luhmann: how can a 21kyu say, b is bored?
IGoofy [1d\]: 6d girls
Lebron [?\]: little kids!
Tobamf [7k?\]: I should look at my atlas again
xDragon [15k\]: one of ems not asian tho
Luhmann: still thinking w is fine
ColorCoded: NOM NOM
wotan123 [2d\]: i would not surprise if w plays tenuki
KopiPeng [6d\]: I predict black will win
]
;W[rq]
;B[rr]C[DangoMango [5k\]: b is not playing superfast, he probably read out whites moves
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: the other is not asian either
KopiPeng [6d\]: and black is leading atm
Asaliuru [21k\]: if he have time to read paper while playing...
]
;W[pp]C[expat [4d?\]: dango that is irrelevant, he is still playing superfast
Maybe5k [4k\]: alex may lose thos
expat [4d?\]: meaning, he must have lots of time
abak [2k\]: both players have territory-oriented style, funny
Tobamf [7k?\]: yeah
Luhmann: thats strategy asaliuru
Tobamf [7k?\]: both play Korean style
KopiPeng [6d\]: black stones are more efficient, i think
Luhmann: both play go, right
Maybe5k [4k\]: korean=territory?
dimitar [2k\]: q4 is nice
Dogen [5k\]: what's the point of that sequence? just to make Q6 forcing?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: granted, Alex IS korean 3p
ebola [10k\]: tahts new
Maybe5k [4k\]: alex is a pro?
Asaliuru [21k\]: to annoy enemy and break their concentration ? clever
Tobamf [7k?\]: Korean = territory, + stuff that works, even if it's vulgar
Sakeus [-\]: korean playing freestyle ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: to make s8 forcing
mcw85 [7k\]: Koreans = chew bubblegum and kick...
Momogo [3d\]: why alex sitting like L
]
;B[pq]C[Sakeus [-\]: guo juan saying that :)
Brian90 [12k\]: err... was that the right move?
Maybe5k [4k\]: we got strong 7k here
Maybe5k [4k\]: only move
mcw85 [7k\]: What other move?
Brian90 [12k\]: I was looking at P4
expat [4d?\]: the rest of the game will be about B preventing w from getting too much at the top and bottom
Maybe5k [4k\]: R2 atari
dimitar [2k\]: lol p4 instead of q3 = b resign
Brian90 [12k\]: ah
ebola [10k\]: one thing for sure....
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, if p4 then r2 q3 t2
Brian90 [12k\]: ^^;
ebola [10k\]: none of these ppl will win a beauty contest
Brian90 [12k\]: yes. I see the sequence
dimitar [2k\]: a go beauty contest
xDragon [15k\]: p16 might though
Luhmann: s18 or k16 bigger?
IGoofy [1d\]: b takes koks ?
Luhmann: maybe s18 is^
Maybe5k [4k\]: both not big
Sakeus [-\]: k16
strong10k [-\]: h4
KopiPeng [6d\]: G3 looks big?
Luhmann: not big lol
IGoofy [1d\]: o6
mccrusty [2k\]: who else thinks breakfast's thighs are short relative to his torso? 
Luhmann: s18 sooo huge
pewpew [8k\]: isn't k16 huge
Luhmann: sure
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Maybe5k [4k\]: alex always wear square pattern short sleeve shirt
pewpew [8k\]: biggest i can see on board
Luhmann: dont underestimate s18
strong10k [-\]: i think k16 is faster, but s18 is solid territory
Luhmann: 20 points?
Maybe5k [4k\]: K16 not big
Maybe5k [4k\]: dun play where place already alive both sides
Maybe5k [4k\]: lol
IGoofy [1d\]: w should seal in bottom right
frktos [2k\]: 20 points? where?
pewpew [8k\]: a lot of territory up there
Luhmann: s18
TomGo [1k\]: @mccrusty: I think his head is a little too big
roestvrij [2k\]: ilya won against nr 1, good :)
xDragon [15k\]: girl alerty
dimitar [2k\]: wave back please
Maybe5k [4k\]: not much terri
frktos [2k\]: s18 around 10?
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;W[be]C[Luhmann: much more
expat [4d?\]: if w answers s18 then it's 10 points in sente
expat [4d?\]: so about 20
Luhmann: w will get t16
Maybe5k [4k\]: white should worry abt the bottm instead
Jammer [7k\]: hello'
expat [4d?\]: if w tenukis...
ColorCoded: euro: moce the cam up. need to see the girls faces, too
strong10k [-\]: this is big
ColorCoded: move*
frktos [2k\]: why would he answer?
roestvrij [2k\]: need* lol
Luhmann: cause its huge
expat [4d?\]: i don't think he would answer
Sakeus [-\]: i was thinking about it :)
xDragon [15k\]: third time the guy at board 2 has wandered over
]
;B[bf]C[frktos [2k\]: I´m pretty sure it´s gote
]
;W[bd]C[Luhmann: still big
xDragon [15k\]: oh
xDragon [15k\]: same t shirt
dimitar [2k\]: is leaving the board a competion as well
Craw [?\]: board 2 guy is Pop?
mcw85 [7k\]: Nice banner.
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes.
strong10k [-\]: need to reply
KopiPeng [6d\]: i bet black will C14
xDragon [15k\]: looks like a fun fight over there
KopiPeng [6d\]: its still big
ebola [10k\]: looks like they r playing in cafeteria
IGoofy [1d\]: pop still drunk ?
Luhmann: c14 s18 i sya
ebola [10k\]: who is that with  beard and spec?
songha [1k\]: pop
Maybe5k [4k\]: very nice board. kaya?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Cristian Pop
Luhmann: solaris
Luhmann: 9dan
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes
xDragon [15k\]: cristian pop 7d
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: &d from Romania
kenjiro43 [7k\]: 7d
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;B[nl]C[Luhmann: wow!!
Maybe5k [4k\]: alex game too boring camera showing pop
ebola [10k\]: dont they have better place ...
Luhmann: what amove
Maybe5k [4k\]: haengma!!!!
strong10k [-\]: too weird
strong10k [-\]: i think c14 better
dimitar [2k\]: haengma is sabaki?
mcw85 [7k\]: Wants a fight.
ebola [10k\]: means w dead
Luhmann:  w cant tenuki 
gisel [2d\]: what does haengma mean?
DangoMango [5k\]: seems symmetrical with q11 and q5
mcw85 [7k\]: This is sente.
wotan123 [2d\]: hope for a big fight
Maybe5k [4k\]: hang the horse! i.e haengma
DangoMango [5k\]: haengma - connection?
Craw [?\]: w group no base, so b attacks
dawid963 [8k\]: boldly play
deft [3d\]: W wouldn't die if he played tenuki
Luhmann: sure deft?
wotan123 [2d\]: attacks and  helps the centre
Maybe5k [4k\]: wont die but badly bullied
AyoLogie: alex must do little bit of sports
KopiPeng [6d\]: black is aiming at invasion at G3
deft [3d\]: yes, sure - but B would be able to build great thickness
Maybe5k [4k\]: and the thiness in the bottom will show itself
qwazidan [4k\]: b goes big
Maybe5k [4k\]: yea kopi ice
Ri: white plays very interesting
mcw85 [7k\]: This result will be good for black regardless.
KopiPeng [6d\]: maybe H3 is better invasion point
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;W[nn]C[xDragon [15k\]: b might be a bobblehead
KopiPeng [6d\]: yes, maybe5k, i m kopi ice:)
Maybe5k [4k\]: ;-)
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;B[mp]C[mcw85 [7k\]: And c14 is going to be nagging at white every move.
Cassis0 [5d\]: b must choose between moyo and invasion
deft [3d\]: H3 or G4 are the normal invasion points in a four space extension like that - hard to say which is better here
Cassis0 [5d\]: he choose to kill :) 
yithril [2d\]: "and you thought i was just going to play endgame"
yithril [2d\]: "silly alex"
Momogo [3d\]: hwaiting
mcw85 [7k\]: End games are for kids?
Craw [?\]: alex seems uncomfortable
abak [2k\]: )
deft [3d\]: he usually looks like that, Craw
Maybe5k [4k\]: is the korean dancing to some tunes?
Maybe5k [4k\]: he always sucks from the box, reads the magazine and looks so bored
wotan123 [2d\]: all  psycho warfare
Ripples [7k\]: pretty nonchalant korean
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 2.01  W 1.45 left
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks.
Luhmann: feels like w wanna resign soon
Luhmann: watch at him oO
Maybe5k [4k\]: terri balance is still ok
mcw85 [7k\]: No way.
wotan123 [2d\]: personaly i prefer b
Luhmann: b creates a huge moyo actually
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, B is better.
ColorCoded: mayby i should get a fan
ColorCoded: so i could be like super strong at kibitz
mcw85 [7k\]: Fans raise your rank by 2.
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;W[np]C[xDragon [15k\]: i thought it was 5
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;B[nq]
;W[lq]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Especially when you wave them in the face of your opponent.
gojustingo [8k\]: o5 
xDragon [15k\]: thats why cornel is 7d
antonk [4k\]: O5
ColorCoded: yes... poking eyes out with a fan
ColorCoded: sounds good
wotan123 [2d\]: if b o5 w n5 looks good for w
ebola [10k\]: fan made with ostrich feather
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;B[no]C[Maybe5k [4k\]: everyone has a fan
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;W[nm]C[royu [5d\]: fan is to help blow garlic breath into face of opponent
Luhmann: b13 or c14?
Luhmann: b13
wotan123 [2d\]: you will tenuki?
wotan123 [2d\]: want
Luhmann: no^^
Luhmann: i think s18 bigger than b13 still
Luhmann: for w at least
wotan123 [2d\]: ah ok
mcw85 [7k\]: What rank are you Luh?
songha [1k\]: how much is s18 worth?
Maybe5k [4k\]: blacks center looks promising
ColorCoded: its a zero-sum game, it can't be big for other and not for other, really
Luhmann: hehe iam weak
mcw85 [7k\]: S18 about 10.
Luhmann: s18 about 20 points
songha [1k\]: why is it 20
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;B[ml]C[songha [1k\]: i only count like 12ish
strong10k [-\]: 20 if sente
RedMahura [4d\]: s18 is more than 15pts.
Luhmann: imagine s18 and w will get t16 for sure
Luhmann: and imagine b s18 and w might q18
wotan123 [2d\]: s18 is not necessary to count, its big enough
Maybe5k [4k\]: white gotta find a ear reddening move
Maybe5k [4k\]: black center is getting quite scary
mcw85 [7k\]: B has fan, he'll be fine.
Gattsu [8k\]: n8  power-move
Maybe5k [4k\]: oh yea. forgot abt the fan
Hades [3d\]: s18 is around 16-17points
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: s18 is losing oints at this stage of the game
gojustingo [8k\]: q12 
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;W[ln]C[mcw85 [7k\]: I agree, EGTV.
Maybe5k [4k\]: S18 is no urgent at all. 
Luhmann: no but maybe bigger than c14
songha [1k\]: of course it's not urgent, im just wondering how people get 20 from it
Luhmann: thats what dinechtein expected
wotan123 [2d\]: s18 takes the base, not only big
Maybe5k [4k\]: white first need to do is secure the weak group
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;B[lm]C[Maybe5k [4k\]: then reduce the center potential while building own top potential
kukulis4 [2d\]: K16 looks big
dimitar [2k\]: n5
Gattsu [8k\]: agreed
Luhmann: schould be his manager maybe5kyu
Gattsu [8k\]: anything in the upper part looks big
wotan123 [2d\]: i think b gets some points in the centre
Maybe5k [4k\]: thank you
Maybe5k [4k\]: i am a strategist
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
Luhmann: i see
Ninjan [6k\]: link please
monobrow [6k?\]: it's stragedy
Luhmann: but question was: what is more urgent: b13 or s18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Ninjan [6k\]: thx
Luhmann: not what move next
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n6 only move?
Maybe5k [4k\]: between the two?
Maybe5k [4k\]: both not urgent
mcw85 [7k\]: Neither urgent.
Gattsu [8k\]: l7 
Luhmann: blah
Ninjan [6k\]: could someone please explain the difference between P and D?
Luhmann: what move would you play first?
mcw85 [7k\]: Well, s18 coud be urgent.
Oloril [1k\]: p is pro, d is ama
mcw85 [7k\]: Not now, though.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: p= proffesional
Maybe5k [4k\]: but i would play B13 instead of S18 given the chance
Luhmann: id s18 i  think
mcw85 [7k\]: Depends on the board, to be honest.
Luhmann: board isnt round today
veteran [1d\]: 1p = 7-8 ama
Maybe5k [4k\]: because B13 gives white a more sever follow up move compared to S18
mcw85 [7k\]: But, s18 probably better.
Gary34 [4k?\]: Luhmann, depends what happens on the top. if B gets a stone in there S18 is big because it keeps the group alive 
ColorCoded: ninjan: they say 1p = 7.3d
strong10k [-\]: b13 quite big becuase of cut
APrairie [1d\]: whats wrong with n5?
ColorCoded: each p adding 0.3d top of that
Ninjan [6k\]: okay, thanks
Luhmann: not that hard to stop b13
strong10k [-\]: well if black tanuki
Luhmann: maybe the cut right
mcw85 [7k\]: There is a lot that can be done withh the cut there.
Ninjan [6k\]: so he is like 7.9 then?
igaza: .
veteran [1d\]: m4 OK
Luhmann: he would not tenuki^
Maybe5k [4k\]: n5 is aji keshi
watergun [-\]: w in serious trouble..
strong10k [-\]: well if he would not tanuki then b13 is free points
Maybe5k [4k\]: i am 4k but my strategy and theory is 5d
strong10k [-\]: sure
strong10k [-\]: im a strong 10k
just9x9 [-\]: if u never kesh your aji then it will be gone anyway :P
strong10k [-\]: as strong as 9d
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: danoontje is watching
mcw85 [7k\]: That sounds a little pompous.
Luhmann: k16 grows and grows
Vondel [2k\]: please say hi to bram from me ;)
Oloril [1k\]: I'm 1k but I have absolutely no idea how this game works
mcw85 [7k\]: That's more realistic!
Luhmann: thats why you are 1kyu? :D
Luhmann: sorry but..
Ninjan [6k\]: hehe
dimitar [2k\]: its easy, kshshsh plop
nyri [4k\]: M4 looks fine to me.
dimitar [2k\]: and repeat
Maybe5k [4k\]: white should be thinking of tenuki and if black goes N6 he would have compensation
Gakam [8k\]: n5 is bad? 
just9x9 [-\]: b building moyo by attacking i'd say atm
Maybe5k [4k\]: so he is thinking of around the P10 region
Luhmann: i would not tenuki now
expat [4d?\]: but you are not 9d like maybe5k
Maybe5k [4k\]: no problem tenuki
wotan123 [2d\]: w has to fix his group and to do something against the centre, not easy
mcw85 [7k\]: If black goes n6 and kills white?
Maybe5k [4k\]: if black gets a stone at O11, oh my my, it will be beautiful
strong10k [-\]: tanuki is gud move
expat [4d?\]: w can try to handle the bottom as well as his group if he finds a good move
Maybe5k [4k\]: white will play around P10.
Maybe5k [4k\]: trust me. i am a strategist.
mcw85 [7k\]: ...
dawid963 [8k\]: ....
expat [4d?\]: ...
ebola [10k\]: L5
pars [10k\]: ...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: ...
wotan123 [2d\]: ..
Elendar [1d\]: p10 help black
Luhmann: p10 is poor lol
Sakeus [-\]: ..
Sakeus [-\]: .
pars [10k\]: ...
Maybe5k [4k\]: *around*
Luhmann: hehe
Draak [1d\]: lol
dimitar [2k\]: underplay
mcw85 [7k\]: Is n5 around p10?
Maybe5k [4k\]: i am strategist, alex is thining of that
wotan123 [2d\]: underplay the opposite from overplay
kukulis4 [2d\]: three black stones M7, N8, O8 works perfectly
Oloril [1k\]: your trolling strat is quite good
Draak [1d\]: i just got here but maybe time to cencor?
just9x9 [-\]: lol olo
dimitar [2k\]: m4
Maybe5k [4k\]: thank you Oloril
srtjutjr: Maybe5k is threatening AD's family for him to make p10 move
dimitar [2k\]: or m5
Luhmann: censor? what do you mean?
nyri [4k\]: @Maybe5k: And if he does not, will you shut up?
kukulis4 [2d\]: only three stones
Maybe5k [4k\]: he definitely is thinking of around there.
AyoLogie: e6 ?
Maybe5k [4k\]: no one believe me
Draak [1d\]: censor trolls, i do that often
expat [4d?\]: maybe he is looking at it on the video feed
ColorCoded: mayby5k might be right, its where he is looking at atm
mcw85 [7k\]: He is thinking "what should I have for dinner?"
expat [4d?\]: but so what
Oloril [1k\]: he's gonna play around k10, plus or minus a few rows and columns of course
Luhmann: i hate censorship anyway
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah.... wait and see.
IGoofy [1d\]: lol
AyoLogie: e6 looks big to me
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I like N5
mcw85 [7k\]: He is looking at the board.
Maybe5k [4k\]: those guys live in communist regime. they like to censor.
strong10k [-\]: i like o17 as white, it is big move
sagesse [2k?\]: n6 
wotan123 [2d\]: i have no good idea for w
ebola [10k\]: hmmm korean party crashers
Luhmann: EU censors you more than you can imagine
Luhmann: or at least will (see its plans)
Maybe5k [4k\]: there is also a sound theoretical idea why a move around P10 is important
just9x9 [-\]: living in a communist regime and liking it are two different things
TakokaT [4k\]: whats wrong with n5? seems okay to me, but i probably can't read it out
dimitar [2k\]: i hope a fly flies into that kids mouth
Maybe5k [4k\]: why?
yithril [2d\]: hmm maybe i should just get up and walk around on my opponent's turn
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;W[oj]C[dimitar [2k\]: lol
Maybe5k [4k\]: see?
dawid963 [8k\]: lol
Luhmann: haha
wotan123 [2d\]: ;-)
dimitar [2k\]: you are 3p
just9x9 [-\]: ok, good joke Eurogotv
strong10k [-\]: 2strong4u
expat [4d?\]: great, now you'll never shut up
Luhmann: nice maybe!!
Sakeus [-\]: russian isnt comunosm anymore i think :)
Maybe5k [4k\]: i am a strategist
Luhmann: you are!
ColorCoded: its no joke, its on cam too
Luhmann: wow
just9x9 [-\]: now take it back ;P
kukulis4 [2d\]: somebody quessed this move :)
kukulis4 [2d\]: guessed*
expat [4d?\]: somebody is watching the cam feed
dimitar [2k\]: aparently this is good for black
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;B[ol]C[wotan123 [2d\]: you are a great strategist
ColorCoded: he called it way before that
dawid963 [8k\]: u have cheats in mind
just9x9 [-\]: ok, now give follow zup after q19
just9x9 [-\]: *Q!='
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah, p10 is so important
just9x9 [-\]: *q10
strong10k [-\]: i think white used his iphone to look up this game on kgs and read maybe5k's comment
ebola [10k\]: paparzzzi!
boatlord [5d\]: this is like fortunetelling, if enough people give it a try someone is bound to be right
expat [4d?\]: yes, tell us the sequence, maybe5k
expat [4d?\]: i'm sure you read it out
IGoofy [1d\]: mamarazzi
Maybe5k [4k\]: P11 of course
dawid963 [8k\]: yea plz tell
Gary34 [4k?\]: reading is for tacticians 
just9x9 [-\]: lol gary
nyri [4k\]: So what now, maybe?
gisel [2d\]: yeah strategists just make wild guesses :P
Maybe5k [4k\]: u all know why P10 is strategically important?
ebola [10k\]: why there are so many bald guys?
dawid963 [8k\]: of cousre lol
nyri [4k\]: Why?
Luhmann: p11 is a cut but who knows :((
strong10k [-\]: because it cuts?
Luhmann: i trust you now maybe
ftroiset [2d\]: p11 is bad : q9
Maybe5k [4k\]: because it splits Q11 and O8, and create weak black groups
wotan123 [2d\]: p10 helps the group and try to do something against the centre
Gary34 [4k?\]: hehe ;)
Asaliuru [21k\]: there is 350 observers and only 361 possible moves (now less) someone will be right
dimitar [2k\]: q12
Luhmann: simple q10^^^
jinkidie [16k\]: w p5 double atari b p4 double capture and atari.. it's like an atari snapback
watergun [-\]: if w's r10 group is dead, with b's thickness on the outside, looks like it's gonna be hard game for w.
Maybe5k [4k\]: in the game of go, if u let opponent's group be oo comfortable, you lose.
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
Maybe5k [4k\]: always keep the pressure.
ftroiset [2d\]: Asaliura : only if they all say something different
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah....
Maybe5k [4k\]: am i talking too much as a strategist?
strong10k [-\]: p11
foxnoodles [10k\]: i say T1 is the biggest move
IGoofy [1d\]: there are 296  moves
nyri [4k\]: What's with the fans?
dimitar [2k\]: oo
nyri [4k\]: That guy is also carrying one.
Maybe5k [4k\]: there is only one possible move here
Maybe5k [4k\]: P11
Luhmann: what?
dimitar [2k\]: q12
Maybe5k [4k\]: gets him out to the center
ColorCoded: i agree with p11
jinkidie [16k\]: what would b do in reply to s8?
ebola [10k\]: how come everybody is either bald or have bad hair does?
Luhmann: p11 is nonsense for me (iam weak i know)
just9x9 [-\]: p11 q9 cuts
Maybe5k [4k\]: *hugs ColorCoded
Luhmann: thought iam stronger than maybe 5kyu but...
wotan123 [2d\]: you are not a strategist
Maybe5k [4k\]: luhmann, u said the same thing about P10....:(
Maybe5k [4k\]: but we r frens
Maybe5k [4k\]: no fighting here. ok
Maybe5k [4k\]: just abt the game.
Ninjan [6k\]: I havnt even seen the opponen yet :P is alex playing with the devil?
Luhmann: i gave you a compliment and showed you my weekness:((
Maybe5k [4k\]: *hugs luhmann
gogonuts [4d\]: why did b play q14 and not s18 instead?
leger [1d\]: white has a difficult game right now
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: yes, w should follow through with P11
ticticboom [19k?\]: what about O10
Maybe5k [4k\]: geting into the center is important
Maybe5k [4k\]: and form a "go seigen group"
abak [2k\]: if p11 than q9 do nothing
mcw85 [7k\]: o10 bad.
kukulis4 [2d\]: now white must not only to prevent of making black moyo in center, but also survive with his group
Luhmann: go seigen group sound professional 
Luhmann: so go for it
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: video is catching up
leger [1d\]: getting in the center right now may be impossible :( .. the price seems to be losing all eye shape and be cut in 2
Spinaltap [3d?\]: alex's cash grabbing may be backfireing a tad eh 
Maybe5k [4k\]: yes. go seigen group is real. check Tmark and fairbairn up
wotan123 [2d\]: luhmann it was only a joke from me, i think you are a good strategist
dimitar [2k\]: how much time do the players have eurogotv?
Luhmann: lol wotan
kukulis4 [2d\]: I guess white will try to live in center
jinkidie [16k\]: TV link plz?
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Luhmann: if p11 now iam defnetly not
Maybe5k [4k\]: Q9 will be bad for white, so how can white prevent that in a positive way?
Maybe5k [4k\]: P11 of course.
Ninjan [6k\]: isnt it 2 and a half hours main time?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: tv link is in eurogotv info
kukulis4 [2d\]: p10 may be
dimitar [2k\]: i mean how much time do they have left
IGoofy [1d\]: w wonders what a pro would do now
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;W[pj]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b got good results everywhere with common sense moves in answer to bs exotic plays, but i just didnt get q14
Luhmann: my move!
kukulis4 [2d\]: simple
Luhmann: yeah
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah. more solid
kane955 [4k\]: time?
just9x9 [-\]: lol
Maybe5k [4k\]: preventing Q9
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
gogonuts [4d\]: i think its close
Luhmann: yeah more solide than a cut indeed
ebola [10k\]: urgh  orange on green!
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;B[mn]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah
kukulis4 [2d\]: the cut
Maybe5k [4k\]: but slow
Ninjan [6k\]: the situation still looks frustrating for white
Maybe5k [4k\]: too small
Maybe5k [4k\]: white's chance now!
ColorCoded: hmm, pretty girl
wotan123 [2d\]: thinks good for b
sameasyou [2d\]: not really...w is cut now...he has to live in the center
just9x9 [-\]: game is easy to understand now at least :P
kukulis4 [2d\]: q12 may be now ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, good for black, this is why I didn't like p10/
ColorCoded: oh my, b took out fan... now w is doomed
Maybe5k [4k\]: p10 is a no choice move mcw85
Luhmann: i like p10 cause 3p thought more than 5 minutes about
Maybe5k [4k\]: oh no! the fan!
wotan123 [2d\]: the problem for w remains the same
sameasyou [2d\]: q10 was the only chance to stay in the game...if he connected b moyo would be huge
Oloril [1k\]: white doesn't have to live in the center, he could die and resign
Craw [?\]: too late - girl is gone!
mcw85 [7k\]: I mean p10 when you seugessted it before W p11.
expat [4d?\]: b invasion at bottom will become severe now
Maybe5k [4k\]: o i c
Maybe5k [4k\]: now as a strategist what will u do as white?
Luhmann: i see w will have 3 weak groups soon
wotan123 [2d\]: for me b has the momentum
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, n6 looks perfect
ebola [10k\]: time to escape!
expat [4d?\]: i like b now, too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b15 proved to be too early
Luhmann: b15 losing move then maybe
Luhmann: hehe
sameasyou [2d\]: o12 or n10
Maybe5k [4k\]: yes. run! but how to run?
strong10k [-\]: i will look up this game on kgs using an iphone to read brilliant comments
expat [4d?\]: w has played a bit too aggressively for me
mcw85 [7k\]: Indeed.
strong10k [-\]: if i was white
Meareal [4k\]: you can t escape a tournament game.
gogonuts [4d\]: may w should've played n5 before
Maybe5k [4k\]: if u r white, what r your concerns?
Meareal [4k\]: they'd chase you
mcw85 [7k\]: I am going to make breakfast, anyone want anything?
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;W[nh]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: .
Maybe5k [4k\]: number one concern is the P10 group cant die
ColorCoded: bacon and eggs, please
wotan123 [2d\]: the san san was the loosing move
just9x9 [-\]: coffee plz
Maybe5k [4k\]: so it has to run, which he just did
sameasyou [2d\]: I was right :)
Luhmann: dincerchtein loves breakfast
mcw85 [7k\]: No bacon, I am vegetarian.
expat [4d?\]: no the sansan was ok
expat [4d?\]: w has a lot of komi
HandA [1k\]: dung
dimitar [2k\]: dinnertime
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;B[nf]C[Maybe5k [4k\]: now if u r black, what will u be thinking?
Maybe5k [4k\]: of course
Luhmann: h3 id thinking about
foxnoodles [10k\]: next game
Maybe5k [4k\]: give chase and weaken the P16 group
just9x9 [-\]: "i must go strategist now"
Maybe5k [4k\]: and reduces the white top potential
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black thinks: hmmm....splitting attack
ColorCoded: leaning attack >3
Maybe5k [4k\]: now if u r white, what will u do to counter black's evil plan?
mcw85 [7k\]: s18 will become urgent.
gogonuts [4d\]: the real problem for w is at the bottom
wotan123 [2d\]: and s18 gets more important
kukulis4 [2d\]: white must live first
Luhmann: play 2 times in a row maybe?
Maybe5k [4k\]: but it cannot live in a stupid way
expat [4d?\]: w has a whole-board problem
Maybe5k [4k\]: how to live and give black maximum pressure?
royu [5d\]: now b upper is sente, and lower is another splitting attack
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;W[ld]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b will surely get to play g3
wotan123 [2d\]: expat totally agree
Luhmann: wow
Maybe5k [4k\]: so he is confident
mcw85 [7k\]: Brave.
expat [4d?\]: looks like the strategist missed it
huggy [3k\]: Maybe5k strong contender for the Most Annoying Kibitzer Award
expat [4d?\]: w thinks he has no choice but take territory
Maybe5k [4k\]: M16 elimiates two of the problems i mentioned but leaves the first unsolved
mcw85 [7k\]: Maybe only move
expat [4d?\]: w thinks he is falling behind
mcw85 [7k\]: to have chance of winning.
Maybe5k [4k\]: huggy, i am only talking abt the game.
GoIsBoring [1d\]: side is big but weak group will suffer. better to save weak group first
deft [3d\]: G3 doesn't look like the best invasion point... you have the G4 H4 H3 tesuji
wotan123 [2d\]: the lower side waits for invasion!
deft [3d\]: should invade at G4 or H3
expat [4d?\]: g3 is answered by crosscut, yes
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w will need to fight
Luhmann: h3 better than g3 i think
expat [4d?\]: h3 looks good now
royu [5d\]: g4 my choice
ColorCoded: woah, the hat-man looks weird
expat [4d?\]: but b could attack the centre group a bit first
kukulis4 [2d\]: black M10
gogonuts [5d\]: they have a competition - the one who plays s18 is an ugly duckling - so w had to play at the top
royu [5d\]: b n10 looks ok
Maybe5k [4k\]: M12
Maybe5k [4k\]: haengma.
just9x9 [-\]: oh gogo got 5d by kibitzing, thats strong :)
Tobamf [7k?\]: shouldn't a pro have a relatively easy time against an amateur, even if amateur is 7d?
expat [4d?\]: no
gogonuts [4d\]: get strong at kibitzing
expat [4d?\]: amateur 7d is open ended
Maybe5k [4k\]: i believe strong dan players here should discuss the game with us
just9x9 [-\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: 7d is a super strong
expat [4d?\]: no idea how strong he really is ;)
deft [3d\]: H3 puts more pressure on the W side group but can run into a counterattack with H5
Maybe5k [4k\]: M12 shuko sensei will play it
AoX [11k\]: it's not kgs 7d so no, it's hard to beat a 7d ^^'
deft [3d\]: ... gets very complicated very fast
Tobamf [7k?\]: yes, I know 7d Euro is super strong, but pro is strong too :)
kukulis4 [2d\]: normal amateur ranking goes up to 6d I think
Luhmann: 7dan, no?
gogonuts [4d\]: the rating algorithm takes acount of the quality of the commentary
kukulis4 [2d\]: 7d means something special already
expat [4d?\]: tobamf: he could be 3p strength.. if he plays as amateur, he can only get 7d
Maybe5k [4k\]: letting white get M12 is so bad.....
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;B[jc]C[gogonuts [4d\]: shouldnt have said that :-)
Tobamf [7k?\]: good point expat
wotan123 [2d\]: hm
Maybe5k [4k\]: wow.
just9x9 [-\]: lol
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: ahhh
wotan123 [2d\]: surprise
deft [3d\]: there are several examples of amateurs who have turned pro and have started as 5p
JoostC [3d\]: There is still some aji in white n7
deft [3d\]: so 7d can be very strong indeed
Tobamf [7k?\]: k17 is no surprise to me, that's exactly the move I would have played
expat [4d?\]: :)
Luhmann: how to fix h3 best pls?
Sakeus [-\]: 5p you cant be from start :)
Maybe5k [4k\]: K17.... wow....
Tobamf [7k?\]: deft: wow, didn't know that
expat [4d?\]: no time, luhmann hehe
gogonuts [5d\]: pretty great move - w cant ignore so b will destroy the top and the bottom
JoostC [3d\]: There is still some aji in white n7
otternase [1d\]: L18 maybe
TeeSushi [3d\]: if you start as pro you start as 1p at least in korea and japan
YusufS [2k\]: which amateurs started as 5p deft?
deft [3d\]: no, there have been made exceptions
expat [4d?\]: gogonuts just turned 5d lol
just9x9 [-\]: hehe comment on game is rewarded instantly gogo ;)
expat [4d?\]: must be the kibitz!
oneway [5d\]: n13
Luhmann: tenuki
deft [3d\]: Sakai Hideyuki and a korean I forgot the name of
gogonuts [4d\]: with my next stupid comment its 4d again
just9x9 [-\]: lol
Meareal [4k\]: xD
expat [4d?\]: tenuki, luhmann?
gogonuts [4d\]: so soon :-(
Tobamf [7k?\]: so an amateur could be stronger than the best pro, possibly
Maybe5k [4k\]: L17, 16L14 
strong10k [-\]: s18
Tobamf [7k?\]: but unlikely
deft [3d\]: HS was recognized as being too strong to start as 1p, so they decided he would play some established professionals to determine where he should start
wotan123 [2d\]: gogonuts this is magic
ColorCoded: its just natural
deft [3d\]: he won all his games, so they started him as 5p
Tobamf [7k?\]: hahaha
ColorCoded: not every strong player wants to become a pro
gogonuts [4d\]: damn, i dont know if i should be giving 4d comments or 5d comments
Luhmann: i really would hate h3
Spinaltap [3d?\]: HS?
expat [4d?\]: try 9p type comments.. "it's possible" ...
dimitar [2k\]: handicap stone
expat [4d?\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: h3 and g3 are both nasty
Luhmann: time to fix it now?
gogonuts [4d\]: b can take his pick
Luhmann: but how?
deft [3d\]: Sakai Hideyuki played on IGS as hS -- he was a medical doctor by profession
Tobamf [7k?\]: I think he meant SH, not HS, Spinal
Tobamf [7k?\]: oh I see
nosebleed [2k\]: deft, rank i pro level only means how many tounements you have placed well in...you dont need a number to play other pros in league/tourney games
deft [3d\]: Sakai is his family name
nosebleed [2k\]: in*
gogonuts [4d\]: alexandres brain is starting to smoke from the effort of getting sente at the top
deft [3d\]: ... it also determines your guaranteed income from the pro-organisation AFAIK
Spinaltap [3d?\]: weird how people who arent pros destroy pros why arent they pros themselves?
kukulis4 [2d\]: thats an invasion of black, so theorethicaly white should get sente
nosebleed [2k\]: deft, that's news to me
Tobamf [7k?\]: Apparently all English profs are 9p's, because they are masters of prose
wotan123 [2d\]: he needs sente to fix some of his problems
Luhmann: cause they love their job in a post office?
Gary34 [4k?\]: maybe it's hard to become honorary pro in asia 
gogonuts [4d\]: but w has a weak group close by
gogonuts [4d\]: and L3 doesnt patch n3
deft [3d\]: M17 not good enough?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white L17
Maybe5k [4k\]: K17 is tough....
Tobamf [7k?\]: no one even grumbled about my horrible pun
Maybe5k [4k\]: L17 is the first obvious move
gogonuts [4d\]: i mean L17 doesnt patch n17
deft [3d\]: L17 make B strong and leave weak point at N17
deft [3d\]: doesn't look good
Maybe5k [4k\]: but the follow up is not easy. E14 head is strong
Luhmann: l6? lol?
deft [3d\]: M17 is proper move
monobrow [6k?\]: it flew through right under my radar, tobamf
IGoofy [1d\]: w should backfire at bottom
jinkidie [16k\]: aything wrong with h17?
Tobamf [7k?\]: is m14 possbile here?
gogonuts [4d\]: for good odds i put my money on m15
kukulis4 [2d\]: ok, first L17, then N15
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;W[jd]C[gogonuts [4d\]: odds werent good enough
Tobamf [7k?\]: k16 was my first choice
kenjiro43 [7k\]: looks bad 4 w
Luhmann: hane
ebola [10k\]: the best move for w it to bash b's head with that thick go board
IGoofy [1d\]: h3
Luhmann: or h3 agree
deft [3d\]: warikomi
gogonuts [4d\]: thats a thick head
Luhmann: l6 gives strange options
Luhmann: maybe cmpletly wrong of me
gogonuts [5d\]: you mean L16?
nosebleed [2k\]: responding locally is more important than l6 
Luhmann: no w l6 later
Luhmann: sure for w i mean
Tobamf [7k?\]: what does attack and defense recommend as blacks next move?
deft [3d\]: what is the point of L6?
deft [3d\]: looks very slow
IGoofy [1d\]: l16
just9x9 [-\]: i go with l16
foxnoodles [10k\]: i'm sticking with T1
gogonuts [5d\]: ws brain must be toggling between J16 and L16
Luhmann: n7 still has aji, if b pushes he helps w to fix his h3 problem dunno
gogonuts [5d\]: bas brain ofcourse
Luhmann: l6*
kukulis4 [2d\]: black doesnt need to live there
kukulis4 [2d\]: if black makes a wall to the center
dawid963 [8k\]: how many time they have?
kukulis4 [2d\]: then white P10 group will be attacked
gogonuts [5d\]: noway
gogonuts [5d\]: b wont concede the top
deft [3d\]: N7 has very little aji
dawid963 [8k\]: they have left?*
deft [3d\]: since B can just squeeze
Luhmann: not that little
gogonuts [5d\]: thats why allowing m6 was surprising
nosebleed [2k\]: dawid, they are not playing online..this is a demo of what is happening
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Maybe5k [4k\]: why is the camera not showing this game?
zeph [3k\]: it works now
Luhmann: h3 now gogonuts?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white regained the confidence :)
gogonuts [5d\]: i dont think so
kukulis4 [2d\]: now Alexander left the board :)
gogonuts [5d\]: w has engaged b at the top
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;B[lg]C[gogonuts [5d\]: if w plays at the bottom he must end in sente - a heavy burden
just9x9 [-\]: my move :)
Luhmann: hehe consequent b^^
wotan123 [2d\]: my move was m14
gogonuts [5d\]: what devilry is this? :-)
dxxd [-\]: this looks cool
kenjiro43 [7k\]: b looking for a big scale kill?
kukulis4 [2d\]: big scale attack :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Vondel [2k\]: ladderbreaker ;)
deft [3d\]: strange order of moves...
expat [4d?\]: somebody tilt the camera onto the clock :P
jinkidie [16k\]: double edged sword
deft [3d\]: ladder was already broken
gogonuts [5d\]: now a pro please explain the significance of exchanging k17 for k16 first
expat [4d?\]: still a good attacking move, deft
Luhmann: and againa mojo grows
harlej9 [2k\]: w m11?
Maybe5k [4k\]: probe
deft [3d\]: yes, but as gogonuts said...
expat [4d?\]: he did not know w would play k16...
IGoofy [1d\]: b handled k17 as a probe not as invasion
expat [4d?\]: it's not like a forced exchange
just9x9 [-\]: maybe b just changed his mind
Luhmann:  expected a white tenuki after k17 too
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe w realized that k16 was taking control over the flow
Maybe5k [4k\]: its a probe
kukulis4 [2d\]: if black ends sente, then he still will be able to live in top
dimitar [2k\]: how much time do the players have left?
deft [3d\]: seems B changed his mind
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I like M11, too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.45  W 1.10
gogonuts [5d\]: if not w can make the territory in 1 move - that wasnt possible before
just9x9 [-\]: m13 erases the white thickness before its there
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;W[li]C[yithril [2d\]: did dinny lose that one game to eunkuk by 1?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: yes
yithril [2d\]: ya ta kui le
kenjiro43 [7k\]: as far as I can tell
Luhmann: l6 grows^
zc3k [1k\]: still no miss each?
yithril [2d\]: yeah that game he looked like he was suffering a lot
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;B[mj]C[deft [3d\]: L6 is nothing, since the (little) aji that exists in N7 can be played directly without L6 first
yithril [2d\]: he seems suffering to me here too, maybe he will win by a point
IGoofy [1d\]: b wants breakfast now
gogonuts [5d\]: b is really going after ws shape
deft [3d\]: this hurts :)
yithril [2d\]: gogonuts, you should be a breakfast cereal
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;W[lh]C[jinkidie [16k\]: agreed
]
;B[oi]C[yithril [2d\]: Have a bowl every morning and be 5d
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;W[ni]
;B[og]C[expat [4d?\]: b peeped at the bamboo joint, mhm
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;W[nj]
;B[kg]C[mcw85 [7k\]: B peeped the cut.
oddalot [7k\]: go go gadget nuts?
ebola [10k\]: N13 isnt player
harlej9 [2k\]: m9?
expat [4d?\]: but it takes the eye away
massilia [1d\]: j17 now :p
Luhmann: no way
monobrow [6k?\]: n10 also peeped t o10
massilia [1d\]: kgs style
strong10k [-\]: tanuki now
gogonuts [5d\]: this b maneuver is starting to look useful
monobrow [6k?\]: *at
just9x9 [-\]: b wants to attack top it seems, scary
expat [4d?\]: w tenuki, play at the top, risk it hehe
Ninjan [6k\]: I think this dragon will fall 
Spinaltap [3d?\]: think b preparing for n17
Luhmann: maybe buts a 15000 euro tournament^^
expat [4d?\]: he probably can't
strong10k [-\]: i can't see how b can kill
massilia [1d\]: dragon never die
Spinaltap [3d?\]: taking away the base
strong10k [-\]: 15000 only 
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, n17 looks the most promising at the top now
strong10k [-\]: not even a year's paycheck for normal american
msanthrope [2k\]: 400 popele wacthing\\
KlerChazal [-\]: just 15days job
deft [3d\]: N7 now is possible...
Luhmann: lerchazal lol
deft [3d\]: B can get cut off in the center
abak [2k\]: why not o11 on move 77?
strong10k [-\]: l17
Luhmann: are you in goldbuisness too, like the captain?
IGoofy [1d\]: n7 is useless
Luhmann: ahh you ment the winner here, lol
expat [4d?\]: b l10 looks like a good point
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what is the first prize at the US congress?
deft [3d\]: what do you see after N7?
nosebleed [2k\]: 1k per day...please hire me
IGoofy [1d\]: p6
deft [3d\]: n7 p6 n5 p7 p5 p4 o5 q6 
Luhmann: one dan in 2 days id hire you
nyri [4k\]: The little girl always waves to yhe camera. :)
deft [3d\]: W gets very thick in sente
strong10k [-\]: i think it is 1000 usd ish
IGoofy [1d\]: p4 after n5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so 1/15 of here
gogonuts [5d\]: i expect the boring k11
harlej9 [2k\]: ish?
abak [2k\]: please look someone on move 77, why not O11 here?
deft [3d\]: .. but then W P7
deft [3d\]: B gets cut off
strong10k [-\]: only about 500 people go to US go congress every year
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is it because there is no TV broadcast at the US congress?
deft [3d\]: the ko favours W
IGoofy [1d\]: p7 q7 atari
deft [3d\]: connect
deft [3d\]: two cut points
msanthrope [2k\]: proabably no big sponsers
IGoofy [1d\]: then q8
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no TV no sponsors
Luhmann: o11 would give w 2 eyes? ^^
deft [3d\]: then either 1) S8 is sente or 2) you cut with ko
deft [3d\]: the ko is good for W
deft [3d\]: makes his heavy group lighter
expat [4d?\]: n7 n5?
deft [3d\]: n7 n5 p6 
deft [3d\]: B is cut
ebola [10k\]: M10
expat [4d?\]: doesn't matter too much
expat [4d?\]: b moves first on the outside
deft [3d\]: B can't close W in with one move
deft [3d\]: so suddenly they are chasing eachoter
msanthrope [2k\]: usualy to get enough entries to need to have a gauranteed prize which takes somone putting up a huge prize fund then hopefully you make it back on entries
Luhmann: b still has h3 and k17 becomes stronger and stronger
expat [4d?\]: b could l7
deft [3d\]: anyway, W can wait to play P6 and instead play in the center forcing B to come back
yithril [2d\]: is jumping not enough?
Luhmann: b15 was soo wrong timing lol
massilia [1d\]: w thinking about tenuki sure!
expat [4d?\]: sounds better, deft
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the US congress should hire some European financial advisors
deft [3d\]: answer N7 at L7?
oneway [5d\]: k11
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;W[kc]C[gogonuts [5d\]: k16 is now part of the master plan
expat [4d?\]: w did tenuki
yithril [2d\]: omg
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;B[ji]C[Luhmann: all in
msanthrope [2k\]: only takes one rich enthusiest
massilia [1d\]: haha
Spinaltap [3d?\]: o my
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and me ofcourse
Luhmann: here we baduk
massilia [1d\]: i told you xD
wotan123 [2d\]: all in ;-)
yithril [2d\]: alright
expat [4d?\]: if this works, w will win
yithril [2d\]: let's see it dinny
wotan123 [2d\]: w wants to see
yithril [2d\]: make it live for mother russia
msanthrope [2k\]: like what chess did at the hb gglobal in usa was amazing te biggest calss tuiorny in histroy right in the ole usa
gogonuts [5d\]: now trouble in the center, trouble at the bottom, and J17 still works
Luhmann: sure expat?
msanthrope [2k\]: class *
Luhmann: see the left side^^
HFIRE [9k?\]: w looks in serious pain
expat [4d?\]: still some aji at the top
expat [4d?\]: m17 later if k17 can move
Maybe5k [4k\]: wow alex in quite some trouble
msanthrope [2k\]: one rich guy sponsered the whole thing 
KlerChazal [-\]: big center for black now.
yithril [2d\]: what gets me is he didnt have a move ready
IGoofy [1d\]: w can resign
Ninjan [6k\]: the guy beside the table looks masterish
deft [3d\]: even if there is aji at the top, L17 is clearly a huge move
yithril [2d\]: you'd think k11 would be obvious if ur going to tenuki
deft [3d\]: you can take a big hit in return for that
expat [4d?\]: yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is a very very strong 7p
msanthrope [2k\]: half a million prize fund
Maybe5k [4k\]: he needs the M8 cut badly. how can he set it up? this is the question in alex's head right now
zeph [3k\]: 7p ?
Luhmann: i bet the sponsor was the guy whith the strange hat and sunnglasses
gogonuts [5d\]: k11 was the most important point imo
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;W[lk]C[msanthrope [2k\]: the d class alone had a 20 k 1st prize
Spinaltap [3d?\]: not even 1 eye yet 
msanthrope [2k\]: that means a coffee shop player making 20 k
msanthrope [2k\]: a weak player that is
HFIRE [9k?\]: good money
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah i took second
msanthrope [2k\]: in my calss
msanthrope [2k\]: class 
msanthrope [2k\]: 10 k :)
expat [4d?\]: congrats ms :)
msanthrope [2k\]: thx
gogonuts [5d\]: b L6 now?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: and i got nothing
Spinaltap [3d?\]: l0l
msanthrope [2k\]: lol
mm3 [4d\]: h3
Luhmann: hehe finally l6 comes in mind
globax [4d\]: l10
massilia [1d\]: l10 m10 l8 ?
]
;B[mm]C[gogonuts [5d\]: wow
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah protects the cut
expat [4d?\]: solid
Spinaltap [3d?\]: so many GM's
strong10k [-\]: white escapes
strong10k [-\]: black lose
Maybe5k [4k\]: J10
gogonuts [5d\]: n7 has implications for the bottom
msanthrope [2k\]: i wasnt in he open
msanthrope [2k\]: i was 2000 -2200 at the itme
Spinaltap [3d?\]: lucky you heh
Luhmann: i would be to nervouse and play n9 now and have a relaxed cigarette
just9x9 [-\]: k10 now?
msanthrope [2k\]: nwo i 2350
msanthrope [2k\]: fide but back then i was a lowly expert
expat [4d?\]: 2350 elo?
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah
msanthrope [2k\]: 2347 to be precise
expat [4d?\]: that would be 3d in europe
KlerChazal [-\]: thats great
just9x9 [-\]: chess
expat [4d?\]: ah :)
msanthrope [2k\]: its ok
gogonuts [5d\]: against k10 L10 looks nasty
deft [3d\]: when I see N7 I feel like at least I understand *something* about high level go ;)
wotan123 [2d\]: what was the go term for let weak groups on board and taking points?
msanthrope [2k\]: im on a break to learn go
KlerChazal [-\]: 2340 chess kicks ass
Peks [2d\]: I think 2350elo is better than 3d in go ?
Peks [2d\]: no?
gogonuts [5d\]: w doenst have a wonderful move in the center
deft [3d\]: yes
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah 2350 fide more like 8 dan
Peks [2d\]: yeah
msanthrope [2k\]: or 1 p arguably
expat [4d?\]: shinogi
Maybe5k [4k\]: alex is thinking of a counter strike
Spinaltap [3d?\]: nah
Spinaltap [3d?\]: i think of it as around 5d
deft [3d\]: that's exaggerating
wotan123 [2d\]: thx expat, forgot it
msanthrope [2k\]: nope
msanthrope [2k\]: not really
msanthrope [2k\]: 2500 is gm
Spinaltap [3d?\]: if you convert pro=GM
msanthrope [2k\]: ok if 9 p
deft [3d\]: you can't live off chess with at 2350 rating
msanthrope [2k\]: is super gm
expat [4d?\]: ms, i thought you were talking about go :)
ftroiset [2d\]: looks very bad for w, no?
msanthrope [2k\]: which it isnt
Luhmann: all w next moves in the center will hurt the buttom even more
wotan123 [2d\]: seems w like shinogi
HFIRE [9k?\]: yup
expat [4d?\]: the elo scale in go has nothing to do with that in chess
msanthrope [2k\]: becuase only 30 super gnms in qworld
HFIRE [9k?\]: w can easily resign here
msanthrope [2k\]: muych much more 9ps
deft [3d\]: maybe 2500 is 1p/7d ama
HFIRE [9k?\]: but he'll probably see this through
msanthrope [2k\]: look at the numbers
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yea deft
msanthrope [2k\]: it doesnt support
Spinaltap [3d?\]: 7d ama= strong IM heh
msanthrope [2k\]: the thing is chesds ratings are far frm linear
deft [3d\]: which is 2700 in the GoR
Maybe5k [4k\]: yes luhmann. he needs to attack something
msanthrope [2k\]: 2700 is super gm
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;W[jj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: n7 can only be played below 56 kyu and above 6 dan
deft [3d\]: so I think it's around 200pt difference
msanthrope [2k\]: 30 in the world or so
gogonuts [5d\]: below 6 kyu
KlerChazal [-\]: i think b will win this.
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah, alex heard my advice
msanthrope [2k\]: 2500 run f the mill gm many of those
HFIRE [9k?\]: l9 
expat [4d?\]: of course it's not linear
msanthrope [2k\]: but 230 i am 2 im norms
msanthrope [2k\]: 2350
deft [3d\]: means I would be ELO 2200 if chess was my first game ;)
expat [4d?\]: it's logarithmic
gogonuts [5d\]: b has been very patient
msanthrope [2k\]: i have 2 im norms
msanthrope [2k\]: so arguably i am pro
gogonuts [5d\]: but this smells like L10 to me
deft [3d\]: you don't get paid for being IM
Peks [2d\]: suppose I start chess and go from zero... practise the same amount.. what elo I would get in chess If i got 1d in go?
msanthrope [2k\]: yes i yo dont for beiong a gm
Spinaltap [3d?\]: IM is still ama though
Peks [2d\]: egf 1d I mean
msanthrope [2k\]: you get paid for winning tournys
msanthrope [2k\]: or teaching
KlerChazal [-\]: 2000 i think
Maybe5k [4k\]: white has a N13 push. first thing white keeps in mind
expat [4d?\]: peks, the better question is, how many players have 1d
fryskenfry [6k?\]: are there no chatrooms elsewhere with chess as a topic? 
just9x9 [-\]: l10 l9 ?
expat [4d?\]: and how many chess players of that rank are there, percentage wise
nyri [4k\]: @Peks: Around 2000
deft [3d\]: 2000 is kind of regarded as 'master level' like 1d in go
msanthrope [2k\]: no
Peks [2d\]: ok
msanthrope [2k\]: 2200
msanthrope [2k\]: 2300 is fide master
msanthrope [2k\]: 2200 i national master
Ninjan [6k\]: what about all those numers?
DrH0use [2d\]: plz join the kiseido chess server KCS
IGoofy [1d\]: 1d go around 1800
msanthrope [2k\]: 200 is expert
msanthrope [2k\]: 2000
msanthrope [2k\]: 1800 - 2000 is a class
deft [3d\]: well, 1d go is also 'expert'
msanthrope [2k\]: a CALSS
Maybe5k [4k\]: possibly L11
msanthrope [2k\]: ALSO KNWION AS A CLUB PLAYER
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yea 1d=2000
expat [4d?\]: alex dinerchtein just walked out fast with a newspaper
DrH0use [2d\]: j10
msanthrope [2k\]: oopsi
massilia [1d\]: 1d go expert hmm
msanthrope [2k\]: sorry to yell
expat [4d?\]: i will assume he went to the toilet :P
massilia [1d\]: 1d is quite low i think
IGoofy [1d\]: i know 5d egf have 2100 elo
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah teh ranks are really hard to compare
Maybe5k [4k\]: L11, L10, N9, M10. white still heavy
deft [3d\]: I play chess also, I know roughly how hard it is to get 2000 compared to getting 1d in go
ohhhnooo [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?EloRating
expat [4d?\]: igoofy where do you get this from?
msanthrope [2k\]: yes
Luhmann: at least b has no time to read his magazine anymore
Maybe5k [4k\]: why cant u guys stick to this game?
msanthrope [2k\]: i got this 2k in 4 months
HandA [1k\]: well w has to pay something for L17 
Sgarobo [6k\]: b n9 leave white still with no eye...
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;B[ij]C[Luhmann: i doubt msanthophe
Peks [2d\]: I mean if someone gave me 1million to do 2000elo in chess or 1d in go in one year and i din't know neither game
IGoofy [1d\]: id just compare lines
Peks [2d\]: which one should I choose
wotan123 [2d\]: b keeps the pressure
expat [4d?\]: b centre is growing
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;W[jk]C[gogonuts [5d\]: drat, wrong again
Luhmann: not when you started as a 30kyu
msanthrope [2k\]: in another 3 or 4 i get dan if lucky
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;B[jm]C[msanthrope [2k\]: it took me years to get 2000 in chess
KlerChazal [-\]: center's gonna be huge
Ninjan [6k\]: black has the moves, the base.
IGoofy [1d\]: at what rank your are top 10% for example
gogonuts [5d\]: b jsut keeps on playing the patient move
HandA [1k\]: b destroying his own center!
expat [4d?\]: it doesn't matter, msanthrope, you don't know how different the learning process is
msanthrope [2k\]: but i think the reading i learned in chess helops me learn go faster
KlerChazal [-\]: also attacking the bottom
Maybe5k [4k\]: yea gogonuts. looks like it.
Jeremi [1k\]: b wants to atk the bottom
massilia [1d\]: time to play H4 xD
msanthrope [2k\]: if i had learned go first or masterd it chesowuld be going fast for me now
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yea ms
wotan123 [2d\]: and the lower side still waits for invading
Maybe5k [4k\]: doesnt look too severe to me but planning a pearl harbour at possibly H3
Saiya [2k\]: and left side might become huge also, even if still a weakness
msanthrope [2k\]: the readin is really quite similar imo
wotan123 [2d\]: h3 will be the atomic bomb
Luhmann: :D
expat [4d?\]: b is very solid
msanthrope [2k\]: gemoery different but its all calulation
mcw85 [7k\]: ms: Please, carry on elsewhere.
expat [4d?\]: w will sweat a lot in this game
msanthrope [2k\]: ok
msanthrope [2k\]: np
expat [4d?\]: i wish we could see the clocks?
Porkypine [9k\]: Really annoying sounds in the background lol
Spinaltap [3d?\]: j11?
msanthrope [2k\]: dont meat many chess enthusiats on this site is all
msanthrope [2k\]: meet
just9x9 [-\]: well taking profit from the second move leads to sweating, anything else would be too much to expect...
msanthrope [2k\]: most poepl dogging it all day all i can do is laugh
KlerChazal [-\]: that's why it's a go website
msanthrope [2k\]: ego driven observtions
Spinaltap [3d?\]: didnt know anybody else played chess here either...
roestvrij [2k\]: who's taken over control :)
msanthrope [2k\]: i love all games 
msanthrope [2k\]: i even play checkers
msanthrope [2k\]: lol
deft [3d\]: I also love all games, but I'm best at go
DrH0use [2d\]: plz focus
msanthrope [2k\]: im tyring :)
deft [3d\]: I played backgammon a lot, as well as chess
DrZoom [5k\]: j11 
ebola [10k\]: please focus on kibitzing
expat [4d?\]: w has cut j11 fyi :P
roestvrij [2k\]: eurogo come back :)
walkwithme [4k\]: I used to play othello on windows quite a lot before starting go =)
jinkidie [16k\]: are the spectators on some kind of time limit?
gogonuts [5d\]: i hate all games, but im least worst at go
deft [3d\]: hehe
nyri [4k\]: H3 now
msanthrope [2k\]: is it similir ?
msanthrope [2k\]: otheloo hat is ?
Spinaltap [3d?\]: all i play now for the most part is poker
msanthrope [2k\]: that *
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;W[ii]C[msanthrope [2k\]: yes poker fun
Jeremi [1k\]: focus....
Spinaltap [3d?\]: cause its the only game you can actually make money in
msanthrope [2k\]: when yu get sick of purity
Porkypine [9k\]: roooooooar stop throwing stones in the background
mcw85 [7k\]: Guys, please.
mm3 [4d\]: h3
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah or lose alot
msanthrope [2k\]: :(
just9x9 [-\]: othello has circular  black and white stones as well ;)
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;B[jh]C[foxnoodles [10k\]: GO
expat [4d?\]: b is so patient, it is infuriating haha
msanthrope [2k\]: ok so its liek go but smaller board ?
expat [4d?\]: i would hate to be w
walkwithme [4k\]: ..and you can play 9x9 go on othello board too!
massilia [1d\]: w looks nervous on brodcasting
mcw85 [7k\]: W has many problems.
Luhmann: now fix h3!!!
just9x9 [-\]: not really, u can turn the stones around to make them change colour
GoIsBoring [1d\]: LADDER!
deft [3d\]: H10 and suffer the ladder breaker...
Spinaltap [3d?\]: he has a lot of pots though 
Spinaltap [3d?\]: er.. points
Spinaltap [3d?\]: lol
deft [3d\]: better start living locally with N9
just9x9 [-\]: goal is to turn all stones to your colour, and you do that by enclosing them
Peks [2d\]: just H10 and hope for the best on the bottom
veteran [1d\]: W got a shicho on j10
DrH0use [2d\]: n9
veteran [1d\]: if he wants
GoIsBoring [1d\]: n9 is BORING
Nak0r [4k\]: shisho is good for w
IGoofy [1d\]: how are the pot odds in this game ?
msanthrope [2k\]: its si strange that good stragey players all liek poker 
Cassis0 [5d\]: poor w
monobrow [6k?\]: ladder is on for w
msanthrope [2k\]: strategy *
Rugmania [7k\]: Sure n9 is boring
deft [3d\]: shicho is bad for W, the ladder breaker hurts too much
Saiya [2k\]: no
Rugmania [7k\]: Butit's better than A9.
expat [4d?\]: since when is it the goal of go to be least boring?
deft [3d\]: even just atari out is better
msanthrope [2k\]: i like it al well but i cant figure out why
DapperDan [8k\]: A1
kishambo [2k\]: what would be best ladder breaker? sth like g7 staring at H3?
nyri [4k\]: Hey! Where did that "strategist" left?
Luhmann: good point deft^^
Luhmann: :!!
Spinaltap [3d?\]: as a game i feel that poker is the most boring
GoIsBoring [1d\]: how old is dinnerstein?
msanthrope [2k\]: ys
msanthrope [2k\]: so simple
mcw85 [7k\]: Neat ladder.
msanthrope [2k\]: and when you do every thing right and still ose
Spinaltap [3d?\]: but still the money aspect heh
msanthrope [2k\]: its so frustrating
deft [3d\]: poker is very boring, only the money makes it interesting
msanthrope [2k\]: agreed
gogonuts [5d\]: w should take the ladder and then see whats left of the bottom afterwards
strong10k [-\]: unless you lose money
GoIsBoring [1d\]: +1
MyResolve [1d?\]: n9
msanthrope [2k\]: yes :(
KlerChazal [-\]: please try to speak about the game.
expat [4d?\]: at least if w captures the ladder stone, the centre is neutralised
foxnoodles [10k\]: agreed
DrH0use [2d\]: ty clair chazal
msanthrope [2k\]: ok
Luhmann: ladder breaker + h3 and game over
MyResolve [1d?\]: n9 now or b will take it in sente
veteran [1d\]: if W shicho he must answer l10 at l9
Rugmania [7k\]: The great thingabout poker is that every man in the world thinks that he is sick at it.
just9x9 [-\]: dunno, is he off nyri? i censored long ago
msanthrope [2k\]: its not like its giong anywhere
Rugmania [7k\]: Thus, he is always willing to put money on it.
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't think W wants to worry about ladder breaker.
deft [3d\]: I would play N9, but it's a tough choice
jinkidie [16k\]: geez if w starts a ladder what makes you think b will respond?
strong10k [-\]: just go for the ladder
Peks [2d\]: I think white is very happy with his L17 and upper territory now
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;W[ik]C[roestvrij [2k\]: B15 certainly felt slow?
gogonuts [5d\]: wow
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;B[hq]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Ouch.
cucurucucu [5d\]: wow
GoIsBoring [1d\]: what ladder breaker did u suggesed?
wotan123 [2d\]: oh yeah
Rugmania [7k\]: And white takesthe coward's way out.
KlerChazal [-\]: this was expected
huggy [3k\]: here we go
deft [3d\]: W goes for maximum vulgarity ;)
cucurucucu [5d\]: h10 !
Luhmann: o no
msanthrope [2k\]: whats a gogonut ?
Luhmann: game over!!!!
Luhmann: ahhh!
expat [4d?\]: there is no vulgarity in the middle of the fight hehe
Luhmann: (sorry)
msanthrope [2k\]: someone so nutty fr go they said it twice ?
veteran [1d\]: feels like that sort of move, Luhmann
gogonuts [5d\]: a coconut that cant stop thinking about go
msanthrope [2k\]: lol
Luhmann: watcjh alex right hand
Luhmann: he will resign in  about 10 moves
cucurucucu [5d\]: h3 need balls
veteran [1d\]: tough for W now
gogonuts [5d\]: in love and go fights everything os fair
yithril [2d\]: and here i thought b would just suround center
jinkidie [16k\]: pretty tight in there hm
DrH0use [2d\]: cu rukuku stach stach
deft [3d\]: M3?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.37  W 0.48 left
Peks [2d\]: I think doesn't even need balls if you are 7d
yithril [2d\]: instead he exchanges
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks.
deft [3d\]: if B answer M3 then the G4 and hane counterattack seems feasible
kimball [5d?\]: if ladder b will split the lower side for sure and w cannot fight back
expat [4d?\]: b need to keep the pressure
cucurucucu [5d\]:  this j10 stone make me pretty nervous 
gogonuts [5d\]: h3 is another annoying early bird invasion - just like k17
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
expat [4d?\]: if the territories are consolidated right now, w is +10
expat [4d?\]: so black needs to keep destroying
massilia [1d\]: time left plse?
Peks [2d\]: score est says white +5,5
expat [4d?\]: especially the top
Peks [2d\]: black should resign
gelda [2k\]: 2 weak groups
gelda [2k\]: for w
msanthrope [2k\]: alot of cash on the top
gogonuts [5d\]: bs position i ssuperior
Spinaltap [3d?\]: b is having all the fun it seems
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;W[ip]C[expat [4d?\]: gogonuts i agree
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;B[go]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]: and top can still be reduced some
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah
expat [4d?\]: b playing so fast
Peks [2d\]: I was just kidding I agree with you guys
msanthrope [2k\]: black has laot of influencde
KlerChazal [-\]: black has the game for him. Or w defends like a charm.
expat [4d?\]: he answered like in a blitz game!
massilia [1d\]: easy for him to answer
massilia [1d\]: all are common moves that works xD
gogonuts [5d\]: and if w tries to grab territory at the bottom now b h10 will be awful for w
Luffyop [2k\]: i just read during the time of white
Maybe5k [4k\]: the bomb has been dropped
Kyuss [1k\]: EuroGoTV, how are the clocks now?
Luffyop [2k\]: he*
Processus [2k\]: what about C 10 later???
msanthrope [2k\]: do tey smacvk ther stoners down like in hikaru no go i wonder ?
Isobeutel [2d?\]: seems like b read out the sequence 20 mins ago...
Finn [2k\]: is it some kind of lean attack?
massilia [1d\]: watch the brodcast ms xD
expat [4d?\]: msanthrope, b smacked the last stone down, yeah
Maybe5k [4k\]: territorial balance anyone?
expat [4d?\]: hehe
msanthrope [2k\]: lol
msanthrope [2k\]: awesome
hztju: this big weak group on centre and game is over
msanthrope [2k\]: i need to turn it on
expat [4d?\]: "take that"
gogonuts [5d\]: this looks unusuallyawful for w
Spinaltap [3d?\]: at the korean club i go to
Peks [2d\]: white playes like me
Spinaltap [3d?\]: like every move is a smack down
dimitar [2k\]: b trying to strangle himself with his fan
Spinaltap [3d?\]: its pretty funny heh
msanthrope [2k\]: i havetn even played na real board yet
Luffyop [2k\]: what's is the time Eurogo please ?
Peks [2d\]: have weakies all around the board 
msanthrope [2k\]: lol
oneway [5d\]: h10
expat [4d?\]: b is thinking, "what am i going to do with all this time on my clock"
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i just gave the time 2 minutes ago
veteran [1d\]: game over, I think, B will keep picket fence: 1 1 1 1 1 1
GoIsBoring [1d\]: make it absurd g4 !
msanthrope [2k\]: when i do its goonaq look weird to me not suspended inthe air
massilia [1d\]: b still behind in territory
Maybe5k [4k\]: white has to sacrifice some thing
massilia [1d\]: not over yetr
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.37 W 0.45
dimitar [2k\]: he should play p16 again
expat [4d?\]: thx eurogo
Luffyop [2k\]: thx
GoIsBoring [1d\]: w have many good variants
wotan123 [2d\]: really?
gogonuts [5d\]: w is in danger of beeing crushed, not just defeated
ebola [10k\]: b has more than 2x time
Kyuss [1k\]: that would be embarassing for Dinerchtein
expat [4d?\]: thing is
msanthrope [2k\]: w needs a drastic move it seems
Luhmann: mayn good variants? see: this is board 1 not 2
wotan123 [2d\]: i think w has the more complicated task on his side
Peks [2d\]: could white capture H3 and then maybe make some kind of small life in the corner and somehow manage to live with ceneter dragon
expat [4d?\]: very strong player games often look like disaster and end with a 2 point difference
expat [4d?\]: so be patient :)
Peks [2d\]: that would be my plan with white
veteran [1d\]: must push and cut, I think, can't run towards centre
gogonuts [5d\]: w has tried a lot of drastic moves in this game ...
expat [4d?\]: i agree gogo
expat [4d?\]: w tried too hard? :(
ebola [10k\]: w like 2nd line
ebola [10k\]: too much
elohimmeth [1d\]: H4
Kyuss [1k\]: isnt b n9 sente?
KlerChazal [-\]: these are still the consequences of l17
Meareal [4k\]: and b15
IGoofy [1d\]: g17 weak d3 weak  all weak
strong10k [-\]: h2
expat [4d?\]: w is definitely unnerved on the video feed
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, L17 hastened fate
roestvrij [2k\]: status o10?
dimitar [2k\]: the white stones on the table look like a empty triangle, the ones at dinertime's arms
expat [4d?\]: b looking calm
wotan123 [2d\]: i expect also h4, but it will damage the corner
strong10k [-\]: h4
msanthrope [2k\]: g7 ?
strong10k [-\]: well white played l17 so it should be quite close
expat [4d?\]: did you count it, strong10k?
gogonuts [5d\]: L17 doesnt take the top
Peks [2d\]: h4 and cut and capture h3 and then make small life in the corner and live with the dragon
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
wotan123 [2d\]: sound wishfull thinking
Peks [2d\]: easy game
mcw85 [7k\]: Haha.
Hanne [3k\]: lolol
msanthrope [2k\]: hm  dnot look easy to me
expat [4d?\]: b has at least 40 points
msanthrope [2k\]: but im just beginner
Saiya [2k\]: i prefer E6 and atack the boring left side already
gogonuts [5d\]: h4 is out of the question
DapperDan [8k\]: wheres the video feed
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Processus [2k\]: k 3 is ok? 
mcw85 [7k\]: No
expat [4d?\]: w has about plus whatever he gets at the bottom
gogonuts [5d\]: possibly h5
DapperDan [8k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: m4 followed by l6
otternase [1d\]: H4 G4 F3 ?
expat [4d?\]: plus komi
msanthrope [2k\]: i guess h4 loks needed
Kyuss [1k\]: f3 h4 j2 h2 l2 ?
ebola [10k\]: w is covering his face shamed
dimitar [2k\]: richard dawkins
oddalot [7k\]: lol
expat [4d?\]: h4 g4 g3 f3 e3h2 d4?
wotan123 [2d\]: he only wants that b dont see what he is thinking about
expat [4d?\]: w resigns
mcw85 [7k\]: Looks nothing like Dawkins.
dimitar [2k\]: who doesnt?
gogonuts [5d\]: w needs a mr x cap now
Maybe5k [4k\]: E6 is the move
Peks [2d\]: I don't get why white played L17 in the first place
rikiyu [1k\]: B= 0.5 according to Se
gogonuts [5d\]: or dark sunglasses
Peks [2d\]: something like this was coming for sure
Zanevski [6k\]: simple f3?
rikiyu [1k\]: sorry, B+
roestvrij [2k\]: whos the old chap?
expat [4d?\]: w almost played a stone twice now
expat [4d?\]: and put it back
Aldor [2d\]: you should look at broadcasting, w so nervous
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;W[fq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm
Kyuss [1k\]: i think w k3 can live
DapperDan [8k\]: you have to log in to see it
expat [4d?\]: w strategy is consistent
wotan123 [2d\]: yes
DapperDan [8k\]: does it cost money or something
expat [4d?\]: "kill me if you can"
expat [4d?\]: i take territory :P
wotan123 [2d\]: shinogi style at his best?
ebola [10k\]: i think she's 7p
Kenjutsu [2k\]: b is like...ok....u want to die? sure...
Kenjutsu [2k\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: white center group still not alive
Peks [2d\]: H4 if white defends K3 then H10
Luhmann: b killed 2 stones yet
Luhmann: not that much^^
expat [4d?\]: now b will have to think
Maybe5k [4k\]: white center wont die so easily
Luhmann: center alive
gogonuts [5d\]: now is the time for a little precision
Luhmann: always 9
elohimmeth [1d\]: ko okokokko
Luhmann: n9
expat [4d?\]: it's not "alive"
Kenjutsu [2k\]: kill either one, mr. pro will say byebye
Kenjutsu [2k\]: lol
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;B[gq]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white H5
KlerChazal [-\]: n9 is more a huge ko threat
watergun [-\]: w's center isn't full alive yrt..
gogonuts [5d\]: g3 or h4 was a pretty tough choice
DapperDan [8k\]: man this is tough for white
Kyuss [1k\]: j2 ?
HFIRE [9k?\]: just the fact that it isn't alive (nor will be) is what makes the battle so interesting
wotan123 [2d\]: i would not wonder if w play now j6
DevilFish [13k?\]: H5
gelda [2k\]: h10 
expat [4d?\]: tsumego
gogonuts [5d\]: g3 is the move that refuses to put all eggs in one basket
Processus [2k\]: now ponuki?
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;W[hn]C[Kenjutsu [2k\]: korean style is cool
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi
expat [4d?\]: g3 has a followup against the corner
Kenjutsu [2k\]: all about blood
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;B[fr]C[dimitar [2k\]: ohhh pachick!
jinkidie [16k\]: smacko
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;W[er]
;B[fp]
;W[eq]C[wotan123 [2d\]: smacko fats
Peks [2d\]: this game is great
dimitar [2k\]: dogs go wacko
msanthrope [2k\]: what game is on the viwere ?
jinkidie [16k\]: e6
kukulis4 [2d\]: white must live with K3 too
msanthrope [2k\]: on euro go
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
msanthrope [2k\]: oh this game
gogonuts [5d\]: bs stones have never been in question the whole game
Spinaltap [3d?\]: h5 and cut?
gogonuts [5d\]: b can open a security service
expat [4d?\]: haha
expat [4d?\]: b is mr honte
madcow [1d\]: KILL HIM!
wotan123 [2d\]: i like b style more than w
Aldor [2d\]: hard to kill now
Aiolus [1k\]: b clearly ahed, isnt he?
Luhmann: remember q14^^
strong10k [-\]: no
Aldor [2d\]: count the points aiolus
Luhmann: not clearly
expat [4d?\]: terrible to play against.. everybody will think "i can play these moves, they are common sense", but you can't :P
gogonuts [5d\]: he even looks like mr honte
strong10k [-\]: white ahead
Luhmann: w still s18 and b13
Aldor [2d\]: w ahead on territory
Aldor [2d\]: but weak groups
otternase [1d\]: B has also trouble with H3 stones
strong10k [-\]: 0 weak groups
HFIRE [9k?\]: e5 
KlerChazal [-\]: he chose that aldor
Aiolus [1k\]: ~ 5 points at least
strong10k [-\]: black has 1 weak group
Kenjutsu [2k\]: white too scared...went to take a leak
msanthrope [2k\]: any one know alexandres rank ?
expat [4d?\]: quiz question, if black takes the whole left, does he win?
KlerChazal [-\]: 7d
msanthrope [2k\]: thx
HFIRE [9k?\]: mochiron
Maybe5k [4k\]: and whte takes the whole top? and nothing dies? expat?
kukulis4 [2d\]: if black kills bottom, then black wins
Luhmann: he cant expat^^
HFIRE [9k?\]: whole left is as big as upper part
expat [4d?\]: yes
Maybe5k [4k\]: white wins
DrH0use [2d\]: who is the young one usgo ?
KlerChazal [-\]: he took the whole top but now he has been running since then.
mcw85 [7k\]: What do you mean "by whole left"?
Draak [1d\]: upper part looks bigger even
watergun [-\]: w wins??
inoue007 [?\]: what is the time left for W ??
Luhmann: k17 plent much aji
gogonuts [5d\]: top isnt done
expat [4d?\]: yes, maybe
Kenjutsu [2k\]: there are actually some decent looking go players at the tournament!
expat [4d?\]: if w gets the top, w wins
gogonuts [5d\]: k16 makes n17 possible again
Maybe5k [4k\]: yea top is still so open
Xenopus [?\]: is Dinerchtein still undefeatet?
jinkidie [16k\]: why is it no spectator watches for more than a minute
watergun [-\]: ah
expat [4d?\]: b has to destroy the top or make points in the centre
ebola [10k\]: no chair
just9x9 [-\]: no, diner got defeated
gogonuts [5d\]: they have there own games
AoX [11k\]: yeh 3rd round 
wotan123 [2d\]: dinerstein is not undefeated
Maybe5k [4k\]: yup, or kill either one group
Badduck [5d\]: how to attack this w group?
beoren [1k\]: isnt b13 huge?
Xenopus [?\]: thx, 9x9
kukulis4 [2d\]: black must not let white connect bottom with center
gogonuts [5d\]: or alexandre gives them the "do you really want to stay?" look
KlerChazal [-\]: indeed
cocaDJ [6d\]: He lost to In-Seong 
madcow [1d\]: why is this so slow?
inoue007 [?\]: EuroGoTV1 : what is the lime left for W ??
jinkidie [16k\]: too late kuku
KlerChazal [-\]: about 35 minutes
gogonuts [5d\]: its so slow cuz its so hard
Aldor [2d\]: some kind of miai for w
joykafka [2d\]: seems b not enough if b simply pull the g3 group out.
madcow [1d\]: isn't C14 the best move now?
expat [4d?\]: madcow c14 loses
Maybe5k [4k\]: C14?? no way
expat [4d?\]: b is behind on territory after that
gelda [2k\]: f6 
Highwayman [1d\]: C14 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black did a move and white
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;B[fn]C[beoren [1k\]: b13 better
Maybe5k [4k\]: black has no choice but to keep putting pressure
Highwayman [1d\]: black should attack white weak groups not c14
Luhmann: c14 is maybe 10-15 points, i think more less
jinkidie [16k\]: dang i missed by a point
Kenjutsu [2k\]: i like b's style...."kill everything"
DrH0use [2d\]: h7
kukulis4 [2d\]: ah, white not yet
Luhmann: ok 20
Maybe5k [4k\]: kenjutsu, black is not killing everything.
Spinaltap [3d?\]: hmm odd to just let w connect
DapperDan [8k\]: I don't understand this game at all
wotan123 [2d\]: b is the master of solid play
gogonuts [5d\]: it was only between e5 and f6 imo
Processus [2k\]: J 7?
expat [4d?\]: if you don't know f6 shape, remember it
kukulis4 [2d\]: J7 looks so natural :)
Levino [6k?\]: thats why your 8k dan ;)
Kenjutsu [2k\]: i hope he does XD
expat [4d?\]: especially if you were tempted by e5 shape, f6 is a good lesson
Highwayman [1d\]: h10
expat [4d?\]: for k players especially
gelda [2k\]: j7 
HFIRE [9k?\]: thank you
just9x9 [-\]: hehe b c14 is there since move 53, but b preferred the attack since then
Spinaltap [3d?\]: i would of cut there in a heartbeart but then again i suck 
Ranye [9k\]: w e7?
allonzo [6k\]: j7
Badduck [5d\]: has anyone seen w p16 before?
gogonuts [5d\]: but e5 wasnt out of the question in this case
TakokaT [4k\]: yea f6 is a very nice looking move
Nekros [3k\]: b13 work?
HFIRE [9k?\]: what does f6 do beside not letting w connect the two groups yet ?
Tobamf [7k?\]: should white h10?
YusufS [2k\]: expat f6 is better b/c it keeps up pressure on the white group at j4 right? or is there some other reason too?
expat [4d?\]: hfire it makes good shape and gets black out :)
HFIRE [9k?\]: it secures more moyo for b it seems
Luhmann: better shape
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be white H4 first?
HFIRE [9k?\]: ok :)
DrH0use [2d\]: p16 modern joseki
Luhmann: w cant really peep here
DrH0use [2d\]: work with ladder
gogonuts [5d\]: f6 puts pressure on w by removing bs last weakness
YusufS [2k\]: ah ok
Maybe5k [4k\]: J7 is not a bad move eh
Meareal [4k\]: b+res move 148
HFIRE [9k?\]: will black reply with f5 to e5 now ?
HFIRE [9k?\]: or just ignore?
just9x9 [-\]: j7 connects now?
jinkidie [16k\]: b can now threathen to prance up the f line
gogonuts [5d\]: if w h8 there is still time for h10
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;W[hj]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: yes!
TakokaT [4k\]: is w lower left in any danger?
Tobamf [7k?\]: I got it
Luhmann: honte!
KlerChazal [-\]: meareal u've seen this game already too?
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah he greedy
dimitar [2k\]: 30 points!
HFIRE [9k?\]: h7 
DapperDan [8k\]: ?
Asaliuru [21k\]: who is ahead ? black ?
]
;B[ho]C[Luhmann: who knows
Maybe5k [4k\]: aiming the N13 push all these while
expat [4d?\]: w's stone at k9 became inefficient :P
Maybe5k [4k\]: too greedy is no good
expat [4d?\]: jus tkidding
mcw85 [7k\]: White has apture, must be ahead.
Spinaltap [3d?\]: there he goes heh
Luhmann: w died
gogonuts [5d\]: alexandre has been trying to provoke b into an all out attack for the last 50 moves
Luhmann: b ahead
strong10k [-\]: well pwnuki worth 30 points
mcw85 [7k\]: W died where?
DapperDan [8k\]: that's exactly what I mean
gogonuts [5d\]: his goal finally succeded
DapperDan [8k\]: now he's cut
HFIRE [9k?\]: w died in center lower half
just9x9 [-\]: hehe thats a possible way of reading the game gogo
Highwayman [1d\]: k3 looks dead
madcow [1d\]: sure, we count j10 as 30 pts
HFIRE [9k?\]: k3 
Badduck [5d\]: i like w s play really
Maybe5k [4k\]: the ponuki is not a bad decision.
mcw85 [7k\]: Give sequence?
expat [4d?\]: i reckon w is pretty strong at tsumego
kukulis4 [2d\]: H10 was fun
Tobamf [7k?\]: white k6?
Xenopus [?\]: I like how black is sticking to his own tempo of playing
HFIRE [9k?\]: sequence for what? there's only one eye at most
IGoofy [1d\]: l2
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;W[in]C[sc1003bro [3k\]: they sitting on floor?
expat [4d?\]: hfire you must be very strong hehe
Maybe5k [4k\]: it enables white to counter attack
Spinaltap [3d?\]: looks like w can connect via j6 if im reading it right
kukulis4 [2d\]: center now alive, white just need to solve last problem : life in bottom 
kukulis4 [2d\]: and white will win
madcow [1d\]: bottom alive
Aldor [2d\]: looks hard to kill
Luhmann: you like b15 badduck[5dan\] ???
Nak0r [4k\]: why J6 ?
Luhmann: sente
Youssev [5d\]: M6 is very well palced
gogonuts [5d\]: center not alive yet
Youssev [5d\]: placed
Manudu92 [2k\]: j6 strange shape
expat [4d?\]: game will be tough for black soon :S
Aldor [2d\]: J6 better for eye shape
zc3k [1k\]: cut
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;B[hl]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: best move
Badduck [5d\]: b15? 
Manudu92 [2k\]: ok
HFIRE [9k?\]: winner
wotan123 [2d\]: b rocks!!!
gogonuts [5d\]: i was too late in typing h8
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Wm4 Bn5 Wl6
Badduck [5d\]: b15   yes 4 sure
Aiolus [1k\]: b dreams of killing w
gelda [2k\]: mb not a dream
Luhmann: b does?
strong10k [-\]: he has to kill or he will lose
ftroiset [2d\]: k6
HFIRE [9k?\]: dreams? w ran two thirs of this game ...
HFIRE [9k?\]: thirds*
strong10k [-\]: but white easy to live it seems
Kenjutsu [2k\]: dragon hunting now
Aiolus [1k\]: through this attak b strenghtens the left side
Aiolus [1k\]: will be huge
jinkidie [16k\]: w groups not gonna die period
expat [4d?\]: it's not enough aiolus
beoren [1k\]: yeah looks pretty impossible to kill this uhge group
watergun [-\]: looks like b is a lot stronger than w..
KlerChazal [-\]: h13 could be a good sacrifice
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may be stronger in attack, but white stronger in territory making ;)
watergun [-\]: ;)
HFIRE [9k?\]: but all black's moves spell "power"
DapperDan [8k\]: botto m group looks like it could still die
HFIRE [9k?\]: and we all know power beats territory
Luhmann: w willprofit by attacking k13 later
DapperDan [8k\]: maybe I"m to weak to see life there
daXvinci [?\]: i can see dead peo... stones
Spinaltap [3d?\]: dont ya feel unjustified is b doesnt win here lol
HFIRE [9k?\]: power rules the world of go
Maybe5k [4k\]: black is not winning.
IGoofy [1d\]: g15
kukulis4 [2d\]: even if black makes moyo at left, white will be able to play B13 or B5  to reduce
just4fun: se says b+68
HFIRE [9k?\]: the pressure alone is sente enough ;)
daXvinci [?\]: he isnt? how can you ignore such a power? one of those groups dies
expat [4d?\]: w will go into overtime soon
Maybe5k [4k\]: where is the point of greatest pressure now?
expat [4d?\]: on the clock, maybe :P
Badduck [5d\]: hm w m4   so what?
Tobamf [7k?\]: cool, so black is ranked #1 in this tournament, and white #5
Aiolus [1k\]: if b has the opportunity to eleminate the defect  b 13 
Maybe5k [4k\]: lol
HFIRE [9k?\]: l5 b , w has only one eye . so that group is dead
Aiolus [1k\]: he wins
tellone [5k\]: i the words of monty phyton "it's not dead,  just resting"
HFIRE [9k?\]: hahaha
ebola [10k\]: dead parrot
YusufS [2k\]: power is not as omnipotent as you think hfire, have you heard of amashi? ^_^ 
YusufS [2k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Amashi
msanthrope [2k\]: its pining for the fields
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;W[jn]C[Luhmann: hmm all black does is destroying w shape, right?
papamisha [2d\]: upper group has 1 100% eye, isnt it?
IGoofy [1d\]: coward
]
;B[km]C[Muscadet [?\]: m4 w sente, so he can live with l2
hztju: now the chance B 80% W 20%
gelda [2k\]: hztju what is ur lvl ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: m5
beoren [1k\]: how did you get to that?
]
;W[gm]C[Maybe5k [4k\]: m5?
HFIRE [9k?\]: thanks for the link! interesting 
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah
kukulis4 [2d\]: "Of course, a master of amashi should also be a master of shinogi"
YusufS [2k\]: np =)
jinkidie [16k\]: n9 makes eye n10, right?
]
;B[ko]C[Gary34 [4k?\]: of course
msanthrope [2k\]: oh wait its pining ofr the fjords
Maybe5k [4k\]: the point of greatest pressure
gelda [2k\]: g8 
DapperDan [8k\]: that was a nice move
KlerChazal [-\]: what ?!
Badduck [5d\]: g7 really good?
hztju: i am weak :)
madcow [1d\]: l5 does nutting much
kukulis4 [2d\]: white G8 ?
msanthrope [2k\]: g7 seedm rather isky funny hting is i was goona suggest it
Luhmann: l6 first
Highwayman [1d\]: g8 does not connect
msanthrope [2k\]: but then i thought no way
B2la [?\]: m5
Warfreak2 [5d\]: L5 peeps at k4 cut
HFIRE [9k?\]: sooner or later b had to play l5
HFIRE [9k?\]: he just chose this moment
Xenopus [?\]: yeah, can anyone explain the meaning of l5 ?
HFIRE [9k?\]: maybe he knows >.> 
Zanevski [6k\]: f7?
yakotaki [-\]: ignore it?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: L5 is a peep, if w ignores black k4 will cut
huggy [3k\]: great comments, HFIRE, keep analysing!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: otherwise white's shape will be worse than if black didn't L5
Maybe5k [4k\]: yup warfreak
expat [4d?\]: l5 is an excellent point
expat [4d?\]: it's very painful
kukulis4 [2d\]: white L4 ?
IGoofy [1d\]: k4 no cut
Xenopus [?\]: ok, thank you, got it
Aldor [2d\]: G8 connects?
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;W[kp]C[KlerChazal [-\]: g8 schicho for black
]
;B[jo]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: my guess :)
Aldor [2d\]: no sisho
]
;W[io]C[msanthrope [2k\]: was looking at m5 alos ?
Aldor [2d\]: go geta
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;B[gk]C[Aldor [2d\]: g8 geta
DapperDan [8k\]: ooh that stung
mperahia [4k\]: oh, will w survive?
HFIRE [9k?\]: now this is fun
Maybe5k [4k\]: so dangerous.....
msanthrope [2k\]: whet taking huge risk with this g7 move
Warfreak2 [5d\]: we live in hope, mper
IGoofy [1d\]: l2
KlerChazal [-\]: read it again aldor
Cogita [3d\]: m5 first
kukulis4 [2d\]: j2 first 
msanthrope [2k\]: m5 seems ok
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;W[lp]C[Isobeutel [2d?\]: w completly raped
msanthrope [2k\]: or m4
Maybe5k [4k\]: not really Iso.
strong10k [-\]: alive
Isobeutel [2d?\]: well see
strong10k [-\]: too easy
kukulis4 [2d\]: white keeps amashi strategy indeed :)
]
;B[op]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: it's one eye
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah alive
Maybe5k [4k\]: white is leading
mcw85 [7k\]: Please try to watch your language.
expat [4d?\]: do  you guys ever read any tsumego until the end?
Luhmann: no
Aldor [2d\]: g8 g9 h9 j7 f9 g10 f11  chazal?
expat [4d?\]: thought so :P
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: mistake by B i think
msanthrope [2k\]: not when its fairly obvious
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now l6 sente
msanthrope [2k\]: sometimes i use heuristics
Kenjutsu [2k\]: did b press the clock?
Kenjutsu [2k\]: lol
sempaii [3k\]: l6 threat
msanthrope [2k\]: or a better quesiton would be do you ever use heauristics ?
just9x9 [-\]: l2 seems life
Processus [2k\]: l2
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;W[il]C[expat [4d?\]: i also think p4 is a mistake
KlerChazal [-\]: my bad :)
globax [4d\]: no, that's the problem
expat [4d?\]: now j3 doesn't work as well
DapperDan [8k\]: this is bold
HFIRE [9k?\]: j8 seems like a question from alex
IGoofy [1d\]: sure j8 first
Maybe5k [4k\]: ah, white wins.
HFIRE [9k?\]: he's asking b if he still wants to attack or focus on territory ;)
Maybe5k [4k\]: thanks.
expat [4d?\]: now j3 is gote 
msanthrope [2k\]: yeah the quesion is how do you want to lose
Luhmann: lol HIFIRE
msanthrope [2k\]: this way or this way
DapperDan [8k\]: he must think he can make life on bottom
kukulis4 [2d\]: this game is fun
DapperDan [8k\]: or else why do this
Maybe5k [4k\]: nice game
DapperDan [8k\]: or bluff
Luhmann: cut
YusufS [2k\]: lol I don
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
jinkidie [16k\]: must do, Dan
expat [4d?\]: dapperdan, it makes the h8 stone short of liberties if b cuts, that's why
Isobeutel [2d?\]: dinerstein seems relaxed now... 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B looks disturbed
msanthrope [2k\]: yes
msanthrope [2k\]: he is grimicing
YusufS [2k\]: *I don't think bulfing works in go, just pure logic =) 
mcw85 [7k\]: B looks napping.
YusufS [2k\]: wow, bluffing*
Maybe5k [4k\]: he should eurogo, he is losing
Luhmann: i bet w wins now
HFIRE [9k?\]: bluffing works
HFIRE [9k?\]: in go :)
Maybe5k [4k\]: *hugs luhmann.
expat [4d?\]: w definitely looks happier than 20 moves ago
IGoofy [1d\]: tide has changed
Luhmann: :*
jinkidie [16k\]: oh oh white just had an idea
Luhmann: finally an idea
Maybe5k [4k\]: he has one more problem to solve, i.e. the best way to secure all the terri on top
Isobeutel [2d?\]: this game is really exiting
huggy [3k\]: time to reduce top?
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;B[cf]C[Luhmann: w alive or split b
Maybe5k [4k\]: he will do that by threatening M13 group
kukulis4 [2d\]: hehe
Luhmann: wow c14 now!!!
expat [4d?\]: :-O
Luhmann: s18!
Gary34 [4k?\]: wow!
YusufS [2k\]: what? wow interesting timing 
Kyuss [1k\]: f7 
Erimies [4d\]: is there livetv?
kukulis4 [2d\]: c14 is funny too :)
mcw85 [7k\]: Secure top.
Luhmann: s18
HFIRE [9k?\]: how can b attack upper part ?
mcw85 [7k\]: /sighs
Kenjutsu [2k\]: i guess b is looking at top now
Kenjutsu [2k\]: lol
Badduck [5d\]: hm d6?
Hko [8k\]: Erimies: yes there is live TV
YusufS [2k\]: did black determine that bottom was alive?
expat [4d?\]: s18 does not kill the k17 aji
beoren [1k\]: s18 small... or am i mistaken
expat [4d?\]: it's not small, no
Kyuss [1k\]: not small
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
KlerChazal [-\]: h13 
kukulis4 [2d\]: black b5
expat [4d?\]: 10 points or so
Luhmann: g15 sente?
Aldor [2d\]: s18 very big
kukulis4 [2d\]: B5
Aldor [2d\]: J17 bigger i think^^
Luhmann: s18 20 points
Maybe5k [4k\]: H13 first
mcw85 [7k\]: S18 not 20.
beoren [1k\]: yeah thats what i thought j17 or so
expat [4d?\]: if w thinks he's ahead maybe j17
mcw85 [7k\]: 10-15
Processus [2k\]: g 15
IGoofy [1d\]: w will defend g17 somehow
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be j7 now ?
strong10k [-\]: white seems way ahead
Luhmann: b s19 might be 20 points
Badduck [5d\]: i like d6 
Maybe5k [4k\]: J17? no good. if u wanna eat, eat bigger. plus with L17, its so solid already
Boogeyman [3k\]: g15 ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: if white J7, then white would gain a strength to attack left moyo from center
mcw85 [7k\]: I think white will end end up defeding the top.
beoren [1k\]: i just cant see how s18 20 sorry
Couchi [?\]: b5 ?
Processus [2k\]: B 9 :)
Luhmann: if your opponetn awsners count double
just9x9 [-\]: b s19 might be -20 points
Luhmann: in sente*
DapperDan [8k\]: yes j7
expat [4d?\]: d6 looks dangerous yeah
veteran [1d\]: you could be right mcw85
mperahia [4k\]: w has to play j7?
veteran [1d\]: h16 perhaps
Sgarobo [6k\]: why not white h17?
Luhmann: c14
Luhmann: later s18
msanthrope [2k\]: hes counting
DapperDan [8k\]: he'll look silly if not j7 and bottom dies
roestvrij [2k\]: wtf if b j7
DapperDan [8k\]: it doesn't look particularly alive
HFIRE [9k?\]: attack continues
HFIRE [9k?\]: but later
Badduck [5d\]: nice game 4 w
expat [4d?\]: j7 is a losing move
ftroiset [2d\]: actually, if w plays j17, the game isvery close ; b probably will win
msanthrope [2k\]: it can conect or live
Adante [1k\]: I vote for d7
sfrex [2k\]: left side is more important
mcw85 [7k\]: Alex won his last game by 1. ^^
Luhmann: Badduck: how big is s18 pls?
Leibnix [8k\]: Go Breakfast!
kukulis4 [2d\]: white h4 now
kukulis4 [2d\]: H4
globax [4d\]: f7?
veteran [1d\]: he will regret not playing j7 if he loses!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Badduck [5d\]: how can i know between 5-20 pts
Processus [2k\]: B13 and C 10
msanthrope [2k\]: and he will regret not securing the top if he loses
Luhmann: cant be 5 lol
lemming [-\]: how is w doing in this tournament so far? I've seen the first game, and then nothing until now
globax [4d\]: or d6
sensemaker [4d\]: i just got here.. who's black?
KlerChazal [-\]: u can read
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
sensemaker [4d\]: someone usual on kgs?
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;W[dk]C[expat [4d?\]: it's exactly 10 points in sente if w answers, luhmann
mcw85 [7k\]: No.
kukulis4 [2d\]: nobody guessed d9 :)
beoren [1k\]: 505 views pretty nice
expat [4d?\]: but he may not, then it's more difficult to calculate
DapperDan [8k\]: woah!
Kyuss [1k\]: black doesnt play on kgs
msanthrope [2k\]: some sabaki
Kyuss [1k\]: w teaches on kgs
Luhmann: and if w plays it?
mcw85 [7k\]: ...
just9x9 [-\]: noone known on kgs sensemaker, not that i know
Luhmann: it has a follow up later
jinkidie [16k\]: yow wats dat
expat [4d?\]: of course the same
sfrex [1k\]: u cant see things?
Luhmann: its 20
expat [4d?\]: do you know how to read the endgame, luhmann?
sensemaker [4d\]: ok thanks
expat [4d?\]: you have to calculate white playing first into the answer
mcw85 [7k\]: Wants to attack those two stones?
Luhmann: "the endgame
qgo [4k\]: how many 7 dan ama's are there in South-Korea? anyone knows?
fryskenfry [6k?\]: isn't w breakfast on kgs? 
kukulis4 [2d\]: I guess black will take time to answer this move
Adante [1k\]: yup
ftroiset [2d\]: s18 is 6 points in sente (simple)
Georg [1d\]: d9 = leaning attack against F6?
Luhmann: stupid ftroset, sorry
Badduck [5d\]: d9 is rather deep
KlerChazal [-\]: d9 is strategicaly understandable but i would never have come up with it.
dimitar [2k\]: is black escaping?
jinkidie [16k\]: pretty ambitious stretch ain't it?
DapperDan [8k\]: is that overplayed
DapperDan [8k\]: D9
Spinaltap [3d?\]: they dont use dan ranks for korean ama
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;B[im]C[sempaii [3k\]: d9 test " how you answer that?
expat [4d?\]: if w plays first he gets 5 points he would nto otherwise get; if b plays first, he gets 5 points
Spinaltap [3d?\]: best is 1k
Kenjutsu [2k\]: he is like, screw it
expat [4d?\]: 10 points, that's it
Kenjutsu [2k\]: back to killing this
HFIRE [9k?\]: well , this is great
Hanne [3k\]: this game is over the hills
Luhmann: cut cut cut
luda [11k\]: we'll se what happens......
HFIRE [9k?\]: w either helps black connect and protects d9  or lets it go
strong10k [-\]: c10
KlerChazal [-\]: j7 was to be expected
IGoofy [1d\]: j2
just9x9 [-\]: we'll SE what happens? lol
ebola [10k\]: c14 was prep for J7
Ripples [7k\]: drive by pic
Ripples [7k\]: :(
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tv feed still ok?
foxnoodles [10k\]: ohdear
expat [4d?\]: yes eurogo
mcw85 [7k\]: Y
mperahia [4k\]: perfect
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
Luhmann: cut cut cut
dimitar [2k\]: how much time do they have left?
KlerChazal [-\]: cut or d9 wasnt a good move.
Isobeutel [2d?\]: perhaps zoom a little bit in?
inoue007 [?\]: eurogo.. what's time left for both players ?
Georg [1d\]: tv feed is unny ... arrives about 5 seconds late at my pc ... which makes eurogotv look like an oracle
veteran [1d\]: no cut something like d7
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.22  W 0.15
HFIRE [9k?\]: hehehe
inoue007 [?\]: thanks
Hone: do we know roughly how much time the players have left?
HFIRE [9k?\]: come on black, kill this... massacre him..
KlerChazal [-\]: :)
veteran [1d\]: d6 even
kukulis4 [2d\]: cannot see other move than H7
Isobeutel [2d?\]: thx
Korea4K [2d\]: where can get the result the games?
HFIRE [9k?\]: aggressive go much more interesting to watch than balanced stable go :)
escada [4k\]: c8
lemming [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/
expat [4d?\]: c8 would be hardcore hehe
Highwayman [1d\]: l2
otternase [1d\]: d7 ?
Korea4K [2d\]: thx
Battle [4k\]: what is byo-yomi?
mcw85 [7k\]: 1mi
kukulis4 [2d\]: c8 ??
mcw85 [7k\]: n
kukulis4 [2d\]: wow
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;W[fl]C[luda [11k\]: I can't see a thing in that imbroglio
Luhmann: i love c8^^
Adante [1k\]: either F8 or F7
Isobeutel [2d?\]: thats great eurogo
DapperDan [8k\]: ?
Isobeutel [2d?\]: thx
expat [4d?\]: w looks confident now
HFIRE [9k?\]: f9 
Ninjan [6k\]: what a slammove
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;B[dl]C[Battle [4k\]: no one knows what the byo-yomi is?
Luhmann: 5sec
Isobeutel [2d?\]: 1 min
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1x1 minte
mcw85 [7k\]: 1min, I said.
Battle [4k\]: thx =)
HFIRE [9k?\]: black to byo-yomi too ?
fryskenfry [6k?\]: isn't the ing clock obligitory at this event? 
Highwayman [1d\]: j9 has 3 gote eyes
Badduck [5d\]: w can live with 1 move at  L2 
expat [4d?\]: top boards are not using ing rules right?
kukulis4 [2d\]: white H7
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, this is a DGT
]
;W[ek]C[Kyuss [1k\]: h7 
just9x9 [-\]: having to c10 is pure pain
kukulis4 [2d\]: pro is a pro
Luhmann: omg
ftroiset [2d\]: c10 looks forced
kukulis4 [2d\]: nobody can guess pro moves ;)
HFIRE [9k?\]: g10 
expat [4d?\]: if c10, w can cut
yoshiro [3k\]: koreans 7d are stronger than 3p  i think
ronnyss [?\]: h7 first
hztju: yes
KlerChazal [-\]: should be about the same level.
Luhmann: yeah stronger than 10p
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Alexandre is 3p at the Korean Baduk organisation
hztju: yes
just9x9 [-\]: honorary 3p to be precise
]
;B[mk]C[Luhmann: haha!
Kyuss [1k\]: finally n9
kukulis4 [2d\]: no eyes for white
Luhmann: b still wanna kill
HFIRE [9k?\]: ohoo! new target
Vorador [7k?\]: black is crazy strong 
Luhmann: no old target
]
;W[lj]C[Kenjutsu [2k\]: this is cool
expat [4d?\]: 2 points in sente :P
Luhmann: g10
HFIRE [9k?\]: of course , target renewed i meant ;)
luda [11k\]: so Dinerchtein is not the favourite ?
Vorador [7k?\]: no
]
;B[hm]
;W[gn]
;B[fm]C[strong10k [-\]: black dead
DapperDan [8k\]: now the pain starts
Luhmann: no
]
;W[gl]
;B[hk]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: probably white can make an eye around s9 in gote ?
Highwayman [1d\]: j10 false eye
Sgarobo [6k\]: white e5?
escada [4k\]: d10 :(
escada [4k\]: :)
HFIRE [9k?\]: lovely
qgo [4k\]: c 10
Luhmann: first buttom^^
HFIRE [9k?\]: pure bliss
lemming [-\]: lol @ guy who needs to pee
mperahia [4k\]: w is getting destroyed
gelda [2k\]: h13 
Gary34 [4k?\]: f11
escada [4k\]: c i mean
HFIRE [9k?\]: w hammered on all sides again
Spinaltap [3d?\]: cool shape exchange there
kukulis4 [2d\]: white has a cut around N13
expat [4d?\]: w will soon play in overtime
expat [4d?\]: it'll be fun :P
HFIRE [9k?\]: it's like the beginning of the middle game again for alex
HFIRE [9k?\]: hahaha
Ninjan [6k\]: mashed, smashed, destroyed, completely geschtunkenflapped.
DapperDan [8k\]: not playing j7
DapperDan [8k\]: looks pretty stupid now
Adante [1k\]: C8
Adante [1k\]: dive in breakfast
KlerChazal [-\]: j7 was slow though
Zanevski [6k\]: h14 (13)?
mperahia [4k\]: wow, if korean amas are so strong...how strong must be a real korean 3p
Badduck [5d\]: j13 h13cfo
Badduck [5d\]: oops typo j13 or h13? :-)
Ninjan [6k\]: is Sang-Youn amateur?
sameasyou [2d\]: is this still playing?
Lion [2d\]: crazy game..
StefanRadu [2d?\]: j16 
Kratzdrink [2k\]: korean amas are as strong as real korean 3p
Lion [2d\]: w opning so crazy
Luhmann: omg b really wins now???
Arhiman [3k\]: e5 ?
Laman [2k\]: mperahia: dinerchtein is a korean 3p
Sgarobo [6k\]: if white h13 then white n13 ibecame a threat?
otternase [1d\]: w h14 ?
Processus [2k\]: what about f11 
just9x9 [-\]: he is a russian 3p
Lion [2d\]: D11
kukulis4 [2d\]: white one gote eye at L10
]
;W[fi]C[mperahia [4k\]: yeah...but rather to promote go in western countries
kukulis4 [2d\]: and may be one gote eye at S9
Processus [2k\]: yeah :)
lemming [-\]: b looked surprised just now :)
expat [4d?\]: w thinks he found a do-it-at-once move
Damaging [16k\]: yeah :)
huggy [3k\]: wouldn't l2 make life?
just9x9 [-\]: l2 makes life for bottom, not for top ;P
Lion [2d\]: it is,
Lion [2d\]: but w r5
Lion [2d\]: stiil isnt live
luda [11k\]: F11 looks bright
DapperDan [8k\]: Oo
quer: cut cut cut 
expat [4d?\]: if b had played o5 at n5, l2 would not make life :(
DevilFish [13k?\]: maybe the N13 suggestion not so weird now
ftroiset [2d\]: G11
KlerChazal [-\]: w e8 is sente on g3 
Luhmann: cut cut cut
expat [4d?\]: sorry, p4 at n5
kukulis4 [2d\]: Sang youn jun looks a bit woried ;)
Adante [1k\]: looks like black has to defend the left side now
DapperDan [8k\]: last move was rea good
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cannot play F9
ftroiset [2d\]: e10
Badduck [5d\]: w has e5 f5 d7 too?
sameasyou [2d\]: how is the time situation?
ThiGar [8k\]: Black g11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W  1.16  B 0.11
gelda [2k\]: oh
HFIRE [9k?\]: can black attack the lower left corner somehow ? by playing e5 for protection first ?
just9x9 [-\]: sure euro? not the other way round?
Damaging [16k\]: impressive move coming up
sameasyou [2d\]: good for Dinerstein :)..hope he will put B under time pressurepressure
expat [4d?\]: hfire not with f2 as it is
otternase [1d\]: w K3 is alive atm
Adante [1k\]: white is fine in the corner
StefanRadu [2d?\]: b is strong on blitz.
expat [4d?\]: the time was the wrong way round
HFIRE [9k?\]: i see. and if b plays h2 w will automatically defend corner.. maybe a ko later can fix this
mcw85 [7k\]: W or B have 11min?
just9x9 [-\]: some moves ago w had 15min
expat [4d?\]: W
mperahia [4k\]: W
mcw85 [7k\]: Thought so.
ticticboom [19k?\]: what about the remainining time ?
luda [11k\]: Dinerchtein has been the Europe champion 6 times !
StefanRadu [2d?\]: one said 7 times before.
Arhiman [3k\]: how old is Jun ?
Sgarobo [6k\]: black has to protect c10, no?
dimitar [2k\]: some say 8
mind3: eurogotv: do u know if csaba mero won?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: really doesnt matter if he cant win this game and be european champ again.
dxxd [-\]: mind3, it says on the webpage that yes
ticticboom [19k?\]: ok
Luhmann: if b does defend c10 w plays honte and wins
ThiGar [8k\]: EuroGoTV1, would it be possible to record the time on kgs along with the moves?
dxxd [-\]: also, C. pop won the korean 7d on the 2nd board
Tasselhof [4k\]: I wonder how deep they are reading from here
Tasselhof [4k\]: wish I could see all those crazy variations
just9x9 [-\]: wow poppy
Adante [1k\]: and he defended
StefanRadu [2d?\]: Pop lost.
Adante [1k\]: C10
Luffyop [2k\]: hi played c 10
huginmunin [4k\]: Yes Pop resigned
Luffyop [2k\]: he*
mind3: i havent checked yet, but thx dxxd
KissMyBat [6k\]: y pop lost
dxxd [-\]: not according to the webpage...
dxxd [-\]: but okay
Adante [1k\]: Pop got slaughtered in his game
just9x9 [-\]: maybe webpage is last round?
mcw85 [7k\]: B c10 
HFIRE [9k?\]: g12 seems enough here for b
]
;B[cj]C[strong10k [-\]: d11
strong10k [-\]: win
otternase [1d\]: if b L2 , K2 ,L6 - w can live with H2 or connect with fab. squeeze
dxxd [-\]: http://www.egc2009.com/?q=node/1490
luda [11k\]: white sente
StefanRadu [2d?\]: I watched the game..  he invaded w territory and left a group with to many cuts.
stalkor [4k\]: c10 looks like the sensible move here
kukulis4 [2d\]: black let white connect
Hanne [3k\]: e5 
StefanRadu [2d?\]: too*
]
;W[dm]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white d11 ?
luda [11k\]: temporary truce
sensemaker [4d\]: hmm anybody can kill g3
Asaliuru [21k\]: white is winning ?
yakotaki [-\]: yes
sc1003bro [3k\]: black take out fan
mcw85 [7k\]: Back to attacking. h5 
]
;B[dn]C[gelda [2k\]: w trying to kill ?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: if w wins. he has the best chances to be again european champ
Pingu007 [3d\]: in fact there is a mistake on the web site
kukulis4 [2d\]: white c8
luda [11k\]: really ?
Momogo [3d\]: cant kill
]
;W[eo]C[Adante [1k\]: E5
DapperDan [8k\]: nice
kukulis4 [2d\]: go go go
soeasy [3d\]: good move
sensemaker [4d\]: already dead
mperahia [4k\]: wasnt it obvious?
Adante [1k\]: very
DapperDan [8k\]: that hurts though
madcow [1d\]: ko!
kukulis4 [2d\]: black connects
soeasy [3d\]: simple and effective move
kukulis4 [2d\]: how black is dead ?
BurzoS [2d\]: EUROGOTV can you please tell me if you see the game board between Cornel Burzo and Catalin Taranu?
sensemaker [4d\]: c8 if connect
Adante [1k\]: black connects, then white C8?
soeasy [3d\]: its ko
KlerChazal [-\]: and roln too please
Korea4K [2d\]: b is winning
cucaiduong [3k\]: W win here
luda [11k\]: E7 ,
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i just looked; i think Catalin is winning
Damaging [16k\]: b is winning?
slim76 [2d\]: how is that ko?
sagesse [2k?\]: f5 
BurzoS [2d\]: Thank you 
veteran [1d\]: blunder by black d6
KlerChazal [-\]: don't talk about the result if you have no clue about it
HFIRE [9k?\]: f5 easy
IGoofy [1d\]: b is whining not winning
luda [11k\]: E7 ?
CoDeR [3k\]: b connects through b8 ?
Tasselhof [4k\]: f5 e6 e7 whats the problem?
mcw85 [7k\]: If W wins he is going to get trashed.
Luhmann: where black lost this game PLS?
sensemaker [4d\]: if b8.. cna cut E6
soeasy [3d\]: f5, c8
Luhmann: we all thought he wins
sensemaker [4d\]: can
CheG [5k?\]: only move f5 
CoDeR [3k\]: not now
Badduck [5d\]: f5 c8 b8 e6?
luda [11k\]: Or E7
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be black may attack center group, before connecting f5 ?
sensemaker [4d\]: quack
Luhmann: quack
]
;B[hh]C[mperahia [4k\]: kuku:)
luda [11k\]: None of them !
sc1003bro [3k\]: kupo
expat [4d?\]: b afraid of losing sente, good timing!
bobstep [4k?\]: maybe f5 c7
Korea4K [2d\]: brave move
DapperDan [8k\]: black lost
luda [11k\]: flabbergasting tenuki
kukulis4 [2d\]: I think white should play D11 before
soeasy [3d\]: nah is a struggle move to me
cucaiduong [3k\]: last hope
Adante [1k\]: G13
sensemaker [4d\]: still.. can white live?
Luhmann: b anti-timetesuji
Badduck [5d\]: hehe
expat [4d?\]: w needs to be careful
HFIRE [9k?\]: yeah, he's giving g3 for the bigger prey
Luhmann: first always ahtishapetesujis, now antitimetesujis
expat [4d?\]: b could throw away the bottom and kill the top
Badduck [5d\]: antihonte
soeasy [3d\]: kinda hard i did say
]
;W[gj]C[luda [11k\]: H12 is a Captain move
Luhmann: hehe
Levino [6k?\]: .
sc1003bro [3k\]:  
choboco [1k\]: its funny that eurogotv got 300 more people watching than the other games just because its top of list^^
just9x9 [-\]: cappy would r9
sensemaker [4d\]: how is that funny?
Adante [1k\]: black is playing a risky game
Luhmann: r9!!! lol
Adante [1k\]: funny? it's the first board game if I'm not mistaken
Damaging [16k\]: this game is just the best game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he went all in
Spinaltap [3d?\]: f9
Spinaltap [3d?\]: gota do it lol
Adante [1k\]: always more exciting
cherisse [2k\]: go breakfast! *\\o/*
alola [5k\]: f10
madcow [1d\]: resign!
]
;B[fk]C[choboco [1k\]: no way
Spinaltap [3d?\]: yea
yakotaki [-\]: w+r
luda [11k\]: resigning won't help him win
barakeel [1d\]: true
sensemaker [4d\]: i think i would lose here as white
kukulis4 [2d\]: not over yet
Luhmann: w only 5-6 minutes left
Asaliuru [21k\]: resign is worst possible move
Luhmann: and not really byomi
Leibnix [8k\]: Breakfast always wins the European chamionship
TeeSushi [3d\]: at the moment he can still fight a little
fhjk: looking for superfurika
TeeSushi [3d\]: not easy
barakeel [1d\]: g12?
sensemaker [4d\]: russia is part of europe?
Asaliuru [21k\]: 0% chances for winning :P
Korea4K [2d\]: always^^
just9x9 [-\]: partly europe yes sensemaker
Arhiman [3k\]: sometimes yes, sensemaker
Damaging [16k\]: why not d8?
choboco [1k\]: part of russia is part of europe
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be white d11 now ?
Luhmann: eurogotv: your part now
TeeSushi [3d\]: sensemaker ... the part where most russians live yes ^^
sensemaker [4d\]: sometimes?
Highwayman [1d\]: always ... but not in the last 3 years
Sgarobo [6k\]: white groups are not connected.. am I wrong?
luda [11k\]: actually Western Russia can be included into Europe
]
;W[ih]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: a very small part
]
;B[ig]C[hylie [4d\]: Russia is part of Europe and Asia. In the 19th century it was part of North America, too.
]
;W[hg]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: russia is not considered as being part of Europe
choboco [1k\]: its just too big-.-
madcow [1d\]: j12 sux
gelda [2k\]: depends
KlerChazal [-\]: grographically yes
HFIRE [9k?\]: it's only geographically a little over the ural mountains
just9x9 [-\]: moscow is europe for example, st petersburg too
KlerChazal [-\]: geo*
madcow [1d\]: h11 !
Leibnix [8k\]: west of the urals is considered europe I think
gelda [2k\]: europe is until oural
kukulis4 [2d\]: hoh
veteran [1d\]: B falling apart now
luda [11k\]: good point Kler Chazal
Badduck [5d\]: w wants n13
HFIRE [9k?\]: the state itself is not 
kukulis4 [2d\]: white will cut at n13
Luhmann: russia is in the north of dutch (in the middle ages)
Badduck [5d\]: n14 oops
Luhmann: was*
Korea4K [2d\]: i saw only Dinerstein  won one time by luck a few year ago
quer: last basttel
Momogo [3d\]: when we can see result of other games
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Wn14 threatens to capture k11
qgo [4k\]: what is europes highest mountain? Is it the Elbruz?
Tasselhof [4k\]: "for historical reasons, Russia is considered a part of Europe, even though most of it lies in Asia"
HFIRE [9k?\]: g13 
otternase [1d\]: B L15 ?
Momogo [3d\]: where i can see result?
luda [11k\]: MONT BLANC !!
choboco [1k\]: i heard diner was only promoted to pro because hes not asian
hylie [4d\]: Korea4K, an Asian nationalist, are you?
Luhmann: Pic Lenin!
sensemaker [4d\]: how do i get my country be part of europe too?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
choboco [1k\]: heard he was like 6th class and normally only first half of first class gets pro exams promotion thingie
BigDoug [-\]: please continue the discussion about what is and isn't in Europe elsewhere
qgo [4k\]: Elbrous in the Kaukasus?
Gary34 [4k?\]: choboco, probably not the only reason :p
]
;B[ke]C[lenchen16 [-\]: chobocooo :)
gelda [2k\]: sensemaker, u got oil ? welcome
choboco [1k\]: hi lenchen^^
otternase [1d\]: ;-)
sensemaker [4d\]: L15 not big threat
KlerChazal [-\]: again, a good timed move
kukulis4 [2d\]: ok, white going to win anyway
choboco [1k\]: l15 fixes the cut
]
;W[if]C[choboco [1k\]: doesnt it?!
Badduck [5d\]: game over?
otternase [1d\]: no threat - just good defence
]
;B[kd]C[sensemaker [4d\]: L15 purely defensive imho
choboco [1k\]: he used it offensive
Isobeutel [2d?\]: O_O
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Yes but black wanted it to be sente.
choboco [1k\]: ;)
]
;W[lc]C[Spinaltap [3d?\]:  woah
IGoofy [1d\]: despedado
Luhmann: b hoping for a w mistake
expat [4d?\]: b is out of options
magners [2k\]: is w in byo-yomi?
gelda [2k\]: seems over
kukulis4 [2d\]: w+
expat [4d?\]: will resign i think
choboco [1k\]: black didnt think its sente , he jsut wanted to play the biggest defensive move
Badduck [5d\]: hope dies at last
Luhmann: making the game complex in w`last 2-3 minutes
sensemaker [4d\]: L15 was a bad try at winning
choboco [1k\]: whats byo? 1 min/move?
Asaliuru [21k\]: at last ? :P
Vorador [7k?\]: yup
Hko [8k\]: yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, chocobo
just9x9 [-\]: yes coco
]
;B[jf]C[otternase [1d\]: w had he N13 cur
]
;W[jg]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: silly ko
hylie [4d\]: perhaps a more vigorous attack on white earlier...
otternase [1d\]: b had to defend
choboco [1k\]: sounds not too fast, but since they probably play real board it takes 5 seconds to drop the stone aswell^^
luda [11k\]: white has got three corners
kukulis4 [2d\]: this ko is silly
]
;B[id]C[Elendar [1d\]: w go 2 corner*
Elendar [1d\]: got
Luhmann: not that unusual
just9x9 [-\]: 5 sec to grab it 5 sec to turn it 5 sec tp place it 5 sec to let it go... really fast byoyomi
Elscouta [2k\]: f5 too small? :/
expat [4d?\]: what if white f5 now?
]
;W[cl]C[barakeel [1d\]: f5 big
quer: f5 or ko
expat [4d?\]: game over 
]
;B[bl]C[IGoofy [1d\]: fin
Badduck [5d\]: eingetütet
HFIRE [9k?\]: not until the fat lady sings
]
;W[el]C[hylie [4d\]: hfire, my words exactly.
Luhmann: resign!
esko [1k\]: lol badduck
Adante [1k\]: black can't possibly win this
kukulis4 [2d\]: now white doesnt event need to cut at f5
expat [4d?\]: resign
strong10k [-\]: yeah
strong10k [-\]: resign
Badduck [5d\]: imo very nice game for w :-)
Luhmann: can someone explain, why b lost this game????
just9x9 [-\]: white played very consistent since his second move
Luhmann: i have no clue :((
expat [4d?\]: white's shinogi strategy paid off
strong10k [-\]: black too greedy
IGoofy [1d\]: press q to quit or insert coin
weiqidevil [-\]: why didn't white play e6?
HFIRE [9k?\]: good question luhmann
strong10k [-\]: try to kill to much
Vorador [7k?\]: i hope they review this game tonight :p
sensemaker [4d\]: whats shinogi?
oapj [6k\]: you press clock after play stone, but if you kill big group, first press clock or firts remove dead's stones?
HFIRE [9k?\]: probably forced the kill too much
huggy [3k\]: wouldn't b still have an attack with g12?
kukulis4 [2d\]: e6/f5 are miai
expat [4d?\]: he did not try to kill too much
expat [4d?\]: w played a good territory strategy
weiqidevil [-\]: -.- thanks
choboco [1k\]: how many rounds till final? or is it "who wins most rounds win=points" thingie?
otternase [1d\]: i thought if w gets H10 he prob win
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is so great for European Go
HFIRE [9k?\]: no . but he tried too much to kill something
Adante [1k\]: oe Alexandre eyed his opponent
veteran [1d\]: d6 big blunder
Aldor [2d\]: why not e6??
expat [4d?\]: this will keep the tournament interesting!
just9x9 [-\]: stop clock then remove oapj
]
;B[rb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: I think when killing the big group, they stops the timer
oapj [6k\]: thanks
]
;W[ra]
;B[sb]C[DapperDan [8k\]: lol
veteran [1d\]: maybe stressed, tired
]
;W[jb]C[hylie [4d\]: How strong is Jun?
]
;B[ic]C[Elendar [1d\]: b is behind by 20 pts?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 7d
hylie [4d\]: I know his rank.
]
;W[ib]
;B[gc]C[sensemaker [4d\]: white is pro after all
expat [4d?\]: b looking for a point to resign
TeeSushi [3d\]: yeah great game alex :D
strong10k [-\]: white stronger
hylie [4d\]: Hwang Inseong is an ex-insei.
]
;W[gb]C[sensemaker [4d\]: rank is closest to represent strength
]
;B[fb]C[hylie [4d\]: How about Jun?
mcw85 [7k\]: White handles weak groups amazingly well.
choboco [1k\]: hard to count this game proper without SE^^
Aldor [2d\]: you are all funny 30 mn ago all said w was done 
HFIRE [9k?\]: of course he does
Luhmann: see how top never was white :)))
quer: what if b g12
HFIRE [9k?\]: it's his job
tajoumaru [4k\]: where is alexandre from?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black hopes for a miracle
HFIRE [9k?\]: the bread and butter of his daily life :)
]
;W[hc]C[barakeel [1d\]: ko ko ko
strong10k [-\]: i said white win easy
]
;B[ec]C[mccrusty [1k\]: b was last undefeated player
strong10k [-\]: ever since white played l17
]
;W[gd]
;B[fd]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: i don't think this was an easy win
sensemaker [4d\]: ko !!
mcw85 [7k\]: HFIRE, you declared k3 dead.
Tasselhof [4k\]: kokoko
sensemaker [4d\]: eh
CardiffGo [2k?\]: ko dear
sensemaker [4d\]: noo
]
;W[ed]C[just9x9 [-\]: wow, b engaged w in a big ko?
BurzoS [2d\]: e16
gargl: e16
]
;B[gc]C[Danel3 [3d\]: no ko
HFIRE [9k?\]: yes, i certainly hoped it would die
just9x9 [-\]: f15 lol
BurzoS [2d\]: f15 and kill
Adante [1k\]: ko doesn't work
sameasyou [2d\]: capture all
kukulis4 [2d\]: f15
barakeel [1d\]: ahaha
Adante [1k\]: just F15?
Pingu007 [3d\]: f15
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
stalkor [4k\]: urrr
Tsedaka [2d\]: lol
HFIRE [9k?\]: i must not read well enough :)
Dita [2d\]: ouch poor B
zeph [3k\]: F15 lol
TeeSushi [3d\]: f15 
Elendar [1d\]: no
JohnSmith [1k\]: Black dazed
blackness2 [2d\]: loses corner this way?
veteran [1d\]: bad luck for B after he was winning
blackness2 [2d\]: w does?
BurzoS [2d\]: f15 only move
sensemaker [4d\]: white can kill c16?
KlerChazal [-\]: ??
Miller [5k\]: tajoumaru, Dinerchtein is from Russia 
Sgarobo [6k\]: w e18?
Tasselhof [4k\]: f15 ?
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;W[eb]C[fryskenfry [6k?\]: ko for what? just time-stealing tesuji. 
Pingu007 [3d\]: ok
tajoumaru [4k\]: thanks miller
blackness2 [2d\]: nvm
just9x9 [-\]: f15 d16 was a problem
Pingu007 [3d\]: b wanted d16 cut
jinkidie [16k\]: pretty
Elendar [1d\]: f15 then b d16
veteran [1d\]: but he was a bit lucky last game
expat [4d?\]: b still looking for resignation point
kukulis4 [2d\]: white is strong indeed
just9x9 [-\]: but this works a swell
TeeSushi [3d\]: this is the correct move ^^
Spiele1000 [3k\]: helpless ponnuki
Adante [1k\]: aha
steng: e18
mcw85 [7k\]: Ponnuki 30 points.
DapperDan [8k\]: oh dear
CoDeR [3k\]: poor b
HFIRE [9k?\]: c7 
tajoumaru [4k\]: first time I see a ponnuki like this
just9x9 [-\]: good time to resign here
DapperDan [8k\]: what a mess
Arhiman [3k\]: black wanted to capture c16 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+R
kukulis4 [2d\]: white is incredible
HFIRE [9k?\]: ugly ponnuki
jinkidie [16k\]: dead ponnuki - proceless
sameasyou [2d\]: with this win Dinerstein will most probably become the new european champion
just9x9 [-\]: thx eurogotv
expat [4d?\]: resigned
sensemaker [4d\]: D16
Adante [1k\]: he resigned
MilanChe [-\]: yea dead ponuki
sensemaker [4d\]: err
DapperDan [8k\]: this is the resign point
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thanks Euro
sensemaker [4d\]: nothing
BigDoug [-\]: thanks for the relay
yanopel [3d\]: yeah
expat [4d?\]: thanks euro
mcw85 [7k\]: Great game!
DapperDan [8k\]: to embarassing
HFIRE [9k?\]: thanks for the relay indeed
BurzoS [2d\]: thanks for broadcasting 
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks, EGTV1
TeeSushi [3d\]: yeah congragts to alex :D
Adante [1k\]: thank you Euro
Crowno [10k?\]: thanks
otternase [1d\]: impressive
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice game!
weiqidevil [-\]: thanks for broadcasting and congrats to dinerstein^^
Badduck [5d\]: thank you eurogotv :-)
qgo [4k\]: thanks Euro
kukulis4 [2d\]: amazing
TeeSushi [3d\]: thats gonna be an interesting egc
jesus95 [6k\]: thx
Hko [8k\]: very exciting game
Leibnix [8k\]: Thanks EGTV for enduring us kibitzers
zord [3k\]: merci
cherisse [2k\]: powa!
Adante [1k\]: good end for a game like this 
TeeSushi [3d\]: i guess 4 players of the top group now with one loss?
Tasselhof [4k\]: Jun grabbed his forehead
qgo [4k\]: thanks Euro and thanks KGS
Luhmann: he showed h3!!
Badduck [5d\]: gg
globax [4d\]: thx eurogotv1
watergun [-\]: what's the score right now?
strong10k [-\]: he too greedy this game
ThePoint [2d\]: pls switch camera to ohchimin-inseong game
IgorR [1d\]: thx EGTV
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that game is in another room
IGoofy [1d\]: ask them to come so
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx for watching; cu all tomorrow
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: byebye
TeeSushi [3d\]: bye thank you
Sakeus [-\]: thx
Sakeus [-\]: bye
Hko [8k\]: thanks bye
HandA [1k\]: Hell yeah Alex!
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