(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 7 board 8]PW[Rob van Zeijst]PB[Cristian Pop]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-04]EV[main]RO[7]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[NL]BT[RO]US[kamyszyn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 7th round pairing http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1493
danigabi [6d\]: this is second most iteresting game
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: which is first ?
danigabi [6d\]: breakfast game
danigabi [6d\]: How is Rob doing?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 4-2
danigabi [6d\]: who did he lose to?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: wallist http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
InsanePat [-\]: don't you want to do the board 9 too, i'd love to see thomas again... asking too much, me ? 
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: in my room are board 3 to 8
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: if you want to see thomas again he has to win today ;)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I hope 3rd board today will not be too fast
Revenje [3d\]: i hope  black crushes white as soon as possible
danigabi [6d\]: why?
Revenje [3d\]: becouse  pop is a nice guy :)
StefanRadu [2d?\]: verry nice:P
StefanRadu [2d?\]: White shall be crushed
Revenje [3d\]: also hope tommorow he will crush direchtein  also so he becomes top european
Revenje [3d\]: \\o/
jewel [1k\]: don't you know that nice guys never win?
Revenje [3d\]: catalin won last year
Revenje [3d\]: will be cool if he win again btw
StefanRadu [2d?\]: maybe solaris this year.
Revenje [3d\]: i chear for both
]
;B[pd]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: good job Revenje. 
Revenje [3d\]: ohh csaba vs catalin today i  also wanted to see that :(
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I can't relay 3 boards ;)
]
;W[dc]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]
;B[de]C[Revenje [3d\]: yep i know 2 is already plenty :)
jewel [1k\]: csaba will be "beaten like hell"
Revenje [3d\]: do you know  how strong Yoshihara Kazuo is  btw?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no idea
StefanRadu [2d?\]: aromo is quite strong.
Revenje [3d\]: gogo pop!
]
;W[dh]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: catalin will have a tough match.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Catalin cu Mero?
Revenje [3d\]: catalin  favorite against all european players though
StefanRadu [2d?\]: da.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: mda
kenjiro43 [7k\]: cam greu
Revenje [3d\]: greu means difficult   right?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: It is True
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Revenje [3d\]: and cam means  very?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Greu= difficult in romanian
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Cam=almost
Revenje [3d\]: aah
kenjiro43 [7k\]: cam is aproximating
StefanRadu [2d?\]: Mero is in a good shape while Catalin had alot of other stuff to handle lately. But i still put my bet on Catalin^^
Revenje [3d\]: yea assosiation and federation stuff
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Me too
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Revenje [3d\]:  and i  bet on catalin also
Revenje [3d\]: who wants to bet against
Revenje [3d\]: ?
Revenje [3d\]: i bet on pop on this one also
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Me too
Revenje [3d\]: 2 beers
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
StefanRadu [2d?\]: :D "lemmie have it! "
Revenje [3d\]: want  to bet against him?
Revenje [3d\]: g16 
Revenje [3d\]: next move
Revenje [3d\]: i vote
kenjiro43 [7k\]: maybe f16
Revenje [3d\]: will see
mmok: usual joseki is g16 preferred
]
;B[gd]
;W[ee]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]
;B[dd]
;W[fc]
;B[cc]
;W[ec]
;B[ff]
;W[ge]
;B[bd]C[mmok: hmm didnt the ladder work?
]
;W[kc]
;B[fq]C[Revenje [3d\]: to push  c18 you mean?
mmok: yes
Revenje [3d\]: yea
]
;W[jp]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: rob playing lots of hasamis', isn't it?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: what is he up to?
Revenje [3d\]: LOSS
Revenje [3d\]: :P
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Good point
Revenje [3d\]: /o/ popic\\o\\ 
Revenje [3d\]: c5 i vote
Revenje [3d\]: c6*
Revenje [3d\]: can someone strong  say what is normal move here?
Revenje [3d\]: ok  wait and see then:(
boatlord [6d\]: normal choices are c6, d6, d7 maybe?, c3 I think
Revenje [3d\]: oki thanks
boatlord [6d\]: I would try to play something that doesn't make d12 useful here
boatlord [6d\]: taking corner looks uninteresting
boatlord [6d\]: I would play c6
Revenje [3d\]: cool:)
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Rob is sleeping
]
;B[dr]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Strange choice
]
;W[cq]
;B[hp]
;W[cm]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: Pop style :)
Kyuss [1k\]: Pop didnt do as well in the tournament as other people expected..
dfers: well , you can consider also that Pop not losing yet to any european, same as Alex of course
kenjiro43 [7k\]: he was defeatedv only by 2 korean players
Pinguschaf [5d\]: he only lost to the Koreans so far, thats exactly the result i would expect :P
WonderGoma [4k\]: what is strange?
]
;B[mp]C[Kyuss [1k\]: its funny when the koreans dominate the egc
]
;W[qj]C[Revenje [3d\]: GOGO popic!!!!
Revenje [3d\]: what is the correct side to attack now?
Revenje [3d\]: r12 or r8?
Revenje [3d\]: or r13?
jim [6d\]: hard to say
Revenje [3d\]: i d play r 13 i think
Revenje [3d\]: so propably is the worse thing to do:P
jim [6d\]: R12 I prefer
AhSayuni [4d\]: why didn't b play c18?
Revenje [3d\]: b16 also joseki
Revenje [3d\]: matter of choise i guess
AhSayuni [4d\]: I know
]
;B[qh]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: but it's dissappearing from pro games
]
;W[qm]
;B[qo]C[jim [6d\]: anyway I d-ont think this game wiil end in yose, both like fighting so maybe soon fight will start
AhSayuni [4d\]: since it's hard to attack d12
Revenje [3d\]: hope  black crush him
jim [6d\]: I hope too
Revenje [3d\]: r17?
jim [6d\]: black need to be active to win
Revenje [3d\]: i meant r17 for w
jim [6d\]: white must defend I think
Revenje [3d\]: jump?
jim [6d\]: maybe P7
Revenje [3d\]: possible  for black to attack k4  somehow if w p7?
Syptryn [3d\]: that corner tooo big :p
jim [6d\]: if white d\\ont defend, black will start double attack in some way
jim [6d\]: cornet not big, P2............
jim [6d\]: or O2
jim [6d\]: some big aji
jim [6d\]: white can invade
jim [6d\]: so black must protect corner by attacking
Revenje [3d\]: i hope black kills something big soon
]
;W[oj]C[jim [6d\]: Q9 peep for probe
jim [6d\]: if R9, black O17
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Totally right Jim
]
;B[jn]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
jim [6d\]: wow
Revenje [3d\]: yey attack k4
kenjiro43 [7k\]: White defended
Revenje [3d\]: :D
jim [6d\]: I d-ont expect this
Revenje [3d\]: white  general will soon  perish after brave black warrior attack
jim [6d\]: white maybe R17 or R14 now
Revenje [3d\]: ooh
jim [6d\]: K4 is not easy to eay, he can run or play O2 anytime
Revenje [3d\]: mhmhmh
kenjiro43 [7k\]: destroy upper right corner first?
just9x9 [-\]: i like o2
jim [6d\]: O2 makes miai R3 and M3
]
;W[io]C[jim [6d\]: oh black decide to run, this is bad
jim [6d\]: now white is heavy
Revenje [3d\]: thats nice:)
Revenje [3d\]: first heavy then dead
jim [6d\]: hehe
Revenje [3d\]: sound interesting  follow up
Revenje [3d\]: h7 normal now?
jim [6d\]: now is hard to say wich is normal
kenjiro43 [7k\]: it depends on what black choose, right?
scurge [5d\]: k6 doesn't look right does it?
]
;B[dm]C[Revenje [3d\]: HOHO
Revenje [3d\]: spectacular   game
kenjiro43 [7k\]: As far as I can tell, Rob is former insei too
jim [6d\]: both are good at fighting
kenjiro43 [7k\]: yeah
kenjiro43 [7k\]: similar style of playing too, I guess
]
;W[fp]
;B[gp]
;W[fo]C[Revenje [3d\]: looks like this is the game deiding part
]
;B[cl]C[jim [6d\]: white d-ont gain nothing
kenjiro43 [7k\]: tiger mouth for b next?
]
;W[cn]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: on left?
Revenje [3d\]: cool
Revenje [3d\]: so b in advantage now
kenjiro43 [7k\]: d9?
jim [6d\]: I think black gain a little in this fight
]
;B[gn]
;W[in]C[Revenje [3d\]: i like  g6
]
;B[hn]
;W[im]C[jim [6d\]: D8
Revenje [3d\]: just connect  d8?
triveNge [16k?\]: i think this is amazing to see people like these guys who are pros
triveNge [16k?\]: but the only problem
jim [6d\]: maybe
]
;B[dl]C[triveNge [16k?\]: is im new to the game and i never really understand each move to its full understanding quite yet
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
triveNge [16k?\]: i hope i get it some day :(
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Wise Go elephant
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Congrats Jim
jim [6d\]: well J5 was heavy
Revenje [3d\]: l6 proper?
Revenje [3d\]: for w?
triveNge [16k?\]: jim are you from the usa?
jim [6d\]: no from Romania
triveNge [16k?\]: oh snap
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Romania
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
triveNge [16k?\]: nice :D
Revenje [3d\]: c2 sente for black now?
jim [6d\]: yes C2 sente 
Revenje [3d\]: is huge
]
;W[fi]C[Revenje [3d\]: i vote c2
]
;B[dn]C[jewel [1k\]: overruled
Revenje [3d\]: wait
Revenje [3d\]:  i have   benefit of dought  as long as moves are played around there
kenjiro43 [7k\]: complicated fight
Revenje [3d\]: would be fun if white corner died altogether somehow
Revenje [3d\]: :P
kenjiro43 [7k\]: it is live, as far as I can tell
Revenje [3d\]: yep me too
kenjiro43 [7k\]: alive
kenjiro43 [7k\]: But I was talking about the central area
Revenje [3d\]: but would be  awsome if it didnt
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;W[do]C[Revenje [3d\]: c2 now?
jim [6d\]: I like C2 now
jim [6d\]: but black need also a move around G8
Revenje [3d\]: so  no time for c2
Revenje [3d\]: ?
jim [6d\]: C2 can wait  maybe
]
;B[cr]C[Revenje [3d\]: \\o/
]
;W[fn]C[Revenje [3d\]: black warrior is fearless
jim [6d\]: this is strange I expect white E7
jsha [?\]: "My sente is bigger than yours"
Revenje [3d\]: aaah e7  nice
]
;B[fm]
;W[eq]
;B[er]
;W[gq]
;B[fr]
;W[gm]C[jim [6d\]: white shape is poor here
Revenje [3d\]: but alive
Revenje [3d\]: h7 or h3 ?
jewel [1k\]: F8?
jim [6d\]: H7 maybe a must
]
;B[hm]
;W[gl]
;B[fl]
;W[hl]
;B[hq]
;W[bl]
;B[bk]
;W[am]C[jim [6d\]: well C2 not a sucess
Revenje [3d\]: :(
]
;B[dj]C[Revenje [3d\]: so game is even ?
jim [6d\]: well hard to say , if white G10, black make life in a eay
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i think white gained
jim [6d\]: a  little yes
jim [6d\]: C2 was early
]
;W[di]C[jim [6d\]: well this is gready
jim [6d\]: G9 now
Fredrik [-\]: not so greedy
jim [6d\]: not so greedy but maybe a little agresive
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i think white is searching for a reason to protect cut at J8
Fredrik [-\]: yes
]
;B[gk]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: if he plays G10 there wont be a good way to protect the cut anymore
Fredrik [-\]: g9 j8
Pinguschaf [5d\]: now j9
Fredrik [-\]: white is easy to play i think
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i agree
]
;W[il]C[Fredrik [-\]: then white can turn at g14 later
Kyuss [1k\]: why not j8 to begin with?
Kyuss [1k\]: does the d11 g9 help him?
Fredrik [-\]: whites shape had cutting problems
Pinguschaf [5d\]: d11 keeps sure that black has to struggle
Fredrik [-\]: dont want to let black connect his groups
Kyuss [1k\]: i see
Pinguschaf [5d\]: and its an usual technique to make ur shape weaker if u want to protect anyway^^
jim [6d\]: if white simple G10 will be hard also for black to connect
jim [6d\]: now white G10 white maybe G14 and black J10
jim [6d\]: black G10
Fredrik [-\]: how about c12 after g10?
jim [6d\]: hane and cut of 2 stones remain
]
;B[hj]C[Fredrik [-\]: u mean c13 hane?
jim [6d\]: yes
Fredrik [-\]: then b can crosscut
Fredrik [-\]: will be complicated
Pinguschaf [5d\]: black played a bad shape, this proves it was a success for white
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i would also just G14 now
pmrktp: where is the bad shape?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: H10 is bad shape
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Bogackyj Dmytro  - Oh Chi-Min  0-1 (board 4)
Gzperi [2k\]: that was quick
pmrktp: why h10 is bad shape?
jim [6d\]: black ok now
pmrktp: no empty triangles possible or so i think
pmrktp: due to e10?
]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]C[tupinoz [4k\]: how abouth table 10
]
;W[gi]C[totototo [6d\]: Popic has shape problem
jim [6d\]: yes H10 was a little..............
jim [6d\]: H9 now maybe
Kyuss [1k\]: because w can do g11 in sente? :P
Fredrik [-\]: becuase w can cut at f9
totototo [6d\]: h9 impossible !
Fredrik [-\]: very hard to fix the shape..
totototo [6d\]: maybe connect k10 and then live f cut
jim [6d\]: H9 defend cut, I d-ont see another move
pmrktp: e10?
totototo [6d\]: J10 sorry i mistake
Kyuss [1k\]: j10 g10 ?
totototo [6d\]: g9 h9 c11
kenjiro43 [7k\]: b g 10?
jim [6d\]: and Alex won
]
;B[hk]C[jim [6d\]: J12
totototo [6d\]: grmpf
]
;W[ih]
;B[jj]C[jim [6d\]: well game is  not over
kenjiro43 [7k\]: k11?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:46, black 1:27
]
;W[jh]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: now b has some chances i think
Pinguschaf [5d\]: attack! :)
Fredrik [-\]: yes
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i still believe it was better for white to play just g14
Pinguschaf [5d\]: he wanted to make use of blacks bad shape
Pinguschaf [5d\]: but this way his lower groupe got pretty weak
Fredrik [-\]: though blacks shape is still very bad
Pinguschaf [5d\]: europeans dont care about shape :)
Fredrik [-\]: lets hope popic finds a good way to attack
Pinguschaf [5d\]: o10 :D
Pinguschaf [5d\]: thats what vladimir would do
]
;B[kk]C[jim [6d\]: black defend bottom right corner in this attack and get sente to play O17 he will win
Revenje [3d\]:  kill j8 group!!
Tien [7d\]: Heh, j8 will never die
Revenje [3d\]: :(
Pottu [3k\]: does the O17 leave R17 still open?
jim [6d\]: yes but hard to fix form with one move in upper right
jim [6d\]: M6 is simple way
Dumbledore [11k?\]: rob van zeijst is awesome, i read all his books
Pottu [3k\]: I tougth P17 is more conventional.
Pottu [3k\]: thought
Tien [7d\]: I prefer o17 to p17
Tien [7d\]: P17 feels too slow
jim [6d\]: now so bad game now for black, if black B11 is life
]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]C[jim [6d\]: well white M8........
kenjiro43 [7k\]: j8 seemsto be in danger
kash [5d\]: sacrifice?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: m8 looks weird
kenjiro43 [7k\]: w saccrifices j8?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: its especially weird that he starts thinking now
kenjiro43 [7k\]: kash, that could lose the game for him
Pinguschaf [5d\]: l8 was obvious
]
;W[lp]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: this cant be good...
jim [6d\]: black is happy now , white lose O2 aji
]
;B[lo]C[jim [6d\]: hmm maybe we will see the sacrifice also
roestvrij [2k\]: move cam around a bit? :)
Pinguschaf [5d\]: m8-l8 exchange is so bad now
jim [6d\]: well D11 was gready
Pinguschaf [5d\]: no, mistake was H11
kash [5d\]: n3 to start the action
Pinguschaf [5d\]: he got carried away with the beautiful shape for upper side
globax [4d\]: the problem was the shape of keima f11, could be better at f12
]
;W[ho]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: maybe b tenuki?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: or m7
jim [6d\]: no tenuki
globax [4d\]: i would q9
Pinguschaf [5d\]: but i wouldnt feel like deciding the shape right now^^
BoGoss [2k\]: whats wrong about just connecting?
Revenje [3d\]: i dont understand the purpose of w  h5
Pinguschaf [5d\]: but u r right, it gets annoyig when white starts cutting
kenjiro43 [7k\]: can w live at the bottom, if b connects at g5?
]
;B[go]C[Youssev [5d\]: this H5 move strange for me
Revenje [3d\]: maybe time save move?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: its like.. ko threat.
Youssev [5d\]: fill one lib. and could be done when w wants
kenjiro43 [7k\]: b k2?
Youssev [5d\]: cannot see the meaning
kenjiro43 [7k\]: now?
Revenje [3d\]: maybe w in byo yomi?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
StefanRadu [2d?\]: w dies there.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: so no need for k2
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still plenty of tie
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: *time
Revenje [3d\]: w dies and everybody is happy
kenjiro43 [7k\]: would be overplay, right?
Revenje [3d\]: thanks euro
Youssev [5d\]: will live but with 2 or 3 points ...
jim [6d\]: Catalin and Csaba still playing?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Revenje [3d\]: and burzo?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not in my room
Revenje [3d\]: aah oki
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Galchenko Mykhajlo  - Chang Yuan Jung  0-1 (board 5)
StefanRadu [2d?\]: what is w doing?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: thinking
snowman [-\]: excerting his mental powers to get his group out of trouble
]
;W[hr]C[BurzoS [2d\]: j2j2
]
;B[ir]
;W[mq]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: L4
BurzoS [2d\]: nu
kenjiro43 [7k\]: m3?
jim [6d\]: o3
kenjiro43 [7k\]: nidan bane?
jim [6d\]: yes
drojdie [2k?\]: iwould play nissan now
kenjiro43 [7k\]: maybe suzuki :D
Youssev [5d\]: if I was B, I would kindly ask my opponent to resign , to make him not suffer a lot.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nie manners
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nice
globax [4d\]: o4 possible ?
]
;B[kp]C[jim [6d\]: wow
snowman [-\]: reading contest, it seems
jim [6d\]: Pop is good at reading
tabla1 [1d\]: (Rob isn't?)
StefanRadu [2d?\]: L4 ...
kumbhaka [3d\]: let's hope he is "more good" than rob :)
tabla1 [1d\]: :)
jim [6d\]: Rob is too
iaznab [-\]: b is looking for a ko?
jim [6d\]: M3 only move now
Revenje [3d\]: i told you w is gonna die
Revenje [3d\]: :P
StefanRadu [2d?\]: m3 b L3.
]
;W[lq]
;B[ko]C[jim [6d\]: Pop want to kill all
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeap
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Finish quickly
Revenje [3d\]: thats the spirit
Revenje [3d\]: /o/
]
;W[jr]
;B[iq]C[jim [6d\]: if white connect, black P3
Revenje [3d\]: and all die:)
]
;W[pr]C[jim [6d\]: yes
jim [6d\]: correct
jim [6d\]: trade is best
Revenje [3d\]: 18 points or so if black kills
jim [6d\]: 25 maybe
jim [6d\]: but here was black corner, white get some, so trade is resonable for white
kenjiro43 [7k\]: yes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I guess it is not a total loss
Revenje [3d\]: but maybe problems  for black if w takes o4 also
]
;B[kr]
;W[np]C[Revenje [3d\]: looks  hard
kenjiro43 [7k\]: p3 is good now?
Gzperi [2k\]: cant give away n4
]
;B[oq]C[luciangela [7k\]: eurogotv3...please...catalin vs csaba ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still playing
drojdie [2k?\]: p3 and b savaes the corner
luciangela [7k\]: thx a lot
]
;W[or]
;B[nq]C[Revenje [3d\]: n5
Revenje [3d\]: and make life in corner seperate?
]
;W[nr]
;B[mo]C[Revenje [3d\]: nop
]
;W[lr]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Popic joaca tare
luciangela [7k\]: cristi joaca ce stie
luciangela [7k\]: adik...strong
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Normal
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
allonzo [6k\]: Magic Popi is back :-)
StefanRadu [2d?\]: L1?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: could be
scurge [5d\]: popic joaca forte fain :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nice romanian ondrej
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;B[kq]
;W[ks]C[scurge [5d\]: :) was it right or not?
luciangela [7k\]: ondrej, shusaku cup is on...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeap
Pottu [3k\]: K1 better
kenjiro43 [7k\]: right
scurge [5d\]: woaow :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;B[qq]
;W[qr]C[allonzo [6k\]: Ondrej: even "scurge" is in Romanian
scurge [5d\]: i know
scurge [5d\]: it means leek 
]
;B[ms]
;W[ls]
;B[jq]C[Youssev [5d\]: still very playable game for w
]
;W[qc]C[WonderGoma [4k\]: now I see why B p17 was better to have than O17
scurge [5d\]: i think white is behind.
WonderGoma [4k\]: W invasion is easier without that stone
kenjiro43 [7k\]: w dead at the bottom?
uwaki [-\]: no
WonderGoma [4k\]: B was ahead, i dont know now
WonderGoma [4k\]: W is safe, B cannot play S2
uwaki [-\]: he would be safe with s2
Youssev [5d\]: I prefer Q17 to R16 , but what do you think ?
jim [6d\]: black  should keep game simple, he is more then 15 ahead
Youssev [5d\]: so you propose R16 ?
jim [6d\]: yes
drojdie [2k?\]: i prefered O17 to R16, followed by O15
]
;B[qd]
;W[pc]C[WonderGoma [4k\]: R 16 simpler for Black
]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[rc]
;W[rb]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]
;B[nb]C[WonderGoma [4k\]: oh
]
;W[od]C[WonderGoma [4k\]: hah, I said simpler:-)
uwaki [-\]: he had an itch
uwaki [-\]: on the finger
jim [6d\]: this is not simple, but why not O17 for white 
Youssev [5d\]: B did not played calmly
jim [6d\]: black d-ont need this fight to win
snowman [-\]: he just played this sequence because he can
]
;B[oa]
;W[rd]C[Icare [1d\]: n17
Fredrik [-\]: black is leading now?
Fredrik [-\]: i think white has good chance
Youssev [5d\]: psychologically, it may be hard for b now.
]
;B[lc]C[jim [6d\]: L18
Jocky [3d\]: t1
Jocky [3d\]: :))
WonderGoma [4k\]: not L16?
holycarp [-\]: l16 maybe bad because of l18 
Icare [1d\]: w think at atari O17 ?
as12: white o 16
]
;W[oe]C[ML [2d\]: w well ahead
jim [6d\]: nope
WonderGoma [4k\]: are you sure?:-)
ML [2d\]: no
WonderGoma [4k\]: J6 is dead
]
;B[kb]
;W[jb]C[jim [6d\]: black take stone
jim [6d\]: both are nervous I supose
allonzo [6k\]: eurogotv: timecheck, please
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:56, black 0:42
allonzo [6k\]: thank you
ML [2d\]: if r14 area w he will win
luciangela [7k\]: eurogotv3...same news about catalin ?
allonzo [6k\]: yeah, catalincheck please :-)
]
;B[rj]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: same
luciangela [7k\]: thx
jim [6d\]: white S11
]
;W[qk]
;B[re]
;W[sc]
;B[pf]C[holycarp [-\]: bow black can live there and fight upper side
jim [6d\]: well magic
holycarp [-\]: i dont like s9
holycarp [-\]: maybe its almost the same though :/
jim [6d\]: R9 was slow
jim [6d\]: now black almost alive both sides
holycarp [-\]: *r9
jim [6d\]: S14
photios [1k\]: time?
]
;W[lb]C[kumbhaka [3d\]: b doesn't look good :(
]
;B[mb]
;W[ka]
;B[nd]C[uwaki [-\]: white isn't exactly a shining star either
as12: ya, only 7d
jim [6d\]: one group alive, if black get life with both he win
]
;W[of]C[Icare [1d\]: R9 loosing move ?
]
;B[rf]C[jim [6d\]: black knows he need only life
Youssev [5d\]: q13
kumbhaka [3d\]: with both groups alive SE says w ahead
Pata [6k\]: komi is 8
]
;W[pg]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Not so fast kumbhaka
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
uwaki [-\]: SE is just to get an idea
uwaki [-\]: any many times is wrong
jim [6d\]: Q15
liberrimo [1d\]: what is SE?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: score estimator
liberrimo [1d\]: how does it work?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: you have it on options
liberrimo [1d\]: I don't!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: it gives you an idea about the possible count
kenjiro43 [7k\]: of points
kenjiro43 [7k\]: anybody has it
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
liberrimo [1d\]: do I need any sw?
]
;B[qg]
;W[qe]C[uwaki [-\]: not if he's using the KGS version from the site directly
]
;B[ri]C[liberrimo [1d\]: it's what I have
liberrimo [1d\]: but there is no SE under options
uwaki [-\]: you have to download the client to get SE
liberrimo [1d\]: I use the java applet
liberrimo [1d\]: what client do you mean?
Pata [6k\]: CGoban 3 KGS Online CGoban 3 CGoban 3 can connect to the KGS go ...
kenjiro43 [7k\]: you have the client on kgs site
liberrimo [1d\]: is it free?
Pata [6k\]: y
kenjiro43 [7k\]: yeah
uwaki [-\]: yes
liberrimo [1d\]: ok, thx
drojdie [2k?\]: now b alive on the right. ehat abot the top?
jewel [1k\]: also alive
jim [6d\]: how to close center now
]
;W[ld]C[jewel [1k\]: n16
kumbhaka [3d\]: w won :(
]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[ma]C[uwaki [-\]: you really are optimistic
]
;W[rk]
;B[ph]
;W[og]
;B[sh]C[donzet [?\]: black solve two stumego problem in a  row
]
;W[on]C[jim [6d\]: black can S3
]
;B[rr]
;W[rq]
;B[rp]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[qp]
;B[js]
;W[mr]
;B[qq]
;W[qs]
;B[sq]C[jim [6d\]: over
jim [6d\]: black can not lose this
]
;W[cf]
;B[df]
;W[cg]
;B[db]
;W[ce]
;B[cd]
;W[eb]C[kumbhaka [3d\]: se says w ahead
]
;B[cb]
;W[gf]C[holycarp [-\]: yose will tell
jim [6d\]: M13
]
;B[bq]
;W[bp]C[jim [6d\]: is a good yose
]
;B[br]
;W[bj]
;B[ak]
;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[ej]C[Jocky [3d\]: semeai
Jocky [3d\]: ?
Jocky [3d\]: :D
kumbhaka [3d\]: w dead?
kumbhaka [3d\]: hai popicule hai
holycarp [-\]: i think white is over doing there
Jocky [3d\]: da  hai :D
Jocky [3d\]: "D
holycarp [-\]: he want to keep the sente but at what cost 
jim [6d\]: Catalin and Csaba ???
holycarp [-\]: e9 
Jocky [3d\]: b5
kumbhaka [3d\]: b5 yes
kumbhaka [3d\]: time?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: w 0:36 b 0:19
derp [1k\]: d3 works?
Jocky [3d\]: w dead i see
jim [6d\]: E9 simple
jim [6d\]: and black won about 5
tsAii [?\]: b still didnt moved?
holycarp [-\]: hes thinking too long 
tsAii [?\]: time?
]
;B[ek]
;W[fj]
;B[fk]
;W[dq]C[uwaki [-\]: aaand sente moved to black
uwaki [-\]: finally
]
;B[nm]C[jim [6d\]: hmm M14 first...........
tsAii [?\]: what is sente?x
andg99 [?\]: means he has the ball
jim [6d\]: N15 is huge now
tsAii [?\]: kay=p
jim [6d\]: I think is white now N15 he can win
Pata [6k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Sente
jim [6d\]: B15 first
]
;W[om]
;B[nl]
;W[nn]
;B[mn]
;W[mj]C[uwaki [-\]: n14?
holycarp [-\]: white have fear to die understandable
jim [6d\]: now M14 didn-t work for black
]
;B[rn]C[uwaki [-\]: no, but n14 will reduce some
]
;W[be]
;B[ab]C[kumbhaka [3d\]: s6 was that big?
jim [6d\]: yes is big
kumbhaka [3d\]: b lost :((((((
holycarp [-\]: n14 maybe not enough
jim [6d\]: seems like
jim [6d\]: N14 not enough
uwaki [-\]: :(
]
;W[me]C[jim [6d\]: over................
uwaki [-\]: yes...
kumbhaka [3d\]: has taranu finished the game?
tsAii [?\]: so w wins?
jim [6d\]: and how simple was the game for black before O18
baduk4all [-\]: it was over even just after w D3
Cassis0 [5d\]: close
tsAii [?\]: time?
]
;B[ki]
;W[nk]
;B[lk]
;W[mk]C[jim [6d\]: K12 first
jim [6d\]: L12
]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]
;B[ml]
;W[ok]
;B[lm]C[holycarp [-\]: a10 big
globax [4d\]: m12-a10
]
;W[lh]
;B[bh]C[sameasyou [2d\]: indeed...it seems like o18 was negative for b
]
;W[sj]C[jim [6d\]: losing move was O18
]
;B[rg]C[BurzoS [2d\]: is Pop loosing this game?
]
;W[ne]
;B[nc]C[BurzoS [2d\]: looks very close to me
]
;W[rm]
;B[fh]
;W[dk]
;B[kh]
;W[kg]
;B[dj]
;W[ji]
;B[ij]
;W[li]
;B[eh]
;W[dk]
;B[ed]
;W[fd]
;B[dj]
;W[ei]
;B[kj]
;W[gg]
;B[en]C[uwaki [-\]: I think it's a loss
]
;W[eo]C[BurzoS [2d\]: have you count already ?
uwaki [-\]: I have :p
]
;B[bg]C[BurzoS [2d\]: ;))
]
;W[ci]C[BurzoS [2d\]: a4
]
;B[ap]
;W[bo]
;B[ae]
;W[se]
;B[sf]C[expat [4d?\]: i think w+2 or w+3 ?
XXXL [2k\]: w-2
]
;W[oh]C[eurogotv9: w+10
]
;B[pi]
;W[ao]
;B[aq]
;W[rs]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: pop did really bad endgame
XY0908 [-\]: eurogotv9, are you one of the official people for this tourney?
]
;B[sm]
;W[sl]
;B[sn]C[globax [4d\]: yes, m11 was his privilège
kenjiro43 [7k\]: WHITE WON THIS?
expat [4d?\]: also s1 was bigger than a3 i think
expat [4d?\]: not that it matters anymore
jim [6d\]: M14 are should be dame
]
;W[sr]
;B[ss]C[jim [6d\]: Popic miss M14
]
;W[af]
;B[ad]
;W[sr]
;B[rq]
;W[bf]
;B[aj]
;W[pn]
;B[no]C[globax [4d\]: a8 first..
]
;W[pe]C[olive61 [6k\]: greu de inteles cum dracu gaseste mutarile mai mici inaintea celor mai mari...
kash [5d\]: q6 was weird
]
;B[lc]C[mirmur: please, somebody knows, Taranu-Mero?
]
;W[bi]C[BurzoS [2d\]: L16
jim [6d\]: M19 now
]
;B[la]
;W[mc]
;B[gh]
;W[hh]
;B[lc]
;W[kb]
;B[ai]C[globax [4d\]: e19 sente then ?
]
;W[al]
;B[oi]
;W[ni]C[dmwit [2k\]: ?
]
;B[ea]
;W[fa]
;B[da]C[globax [4d\]: why didn't pop play a8?
]
;W[qa]
;B[pa]
;W[qf]
;B[qn]C[jim [6d\]: because A11 bigger
]
;W[pj]
;B[mc]
;W[sd]
;B[dk]
;W[ss]
;B[si]
;W[sk]
;B[ah]
;W[fg]
;B[eg]
;W[dg]
;B[lj]
;W[ch]
;B[po]
;W[ag]
;B[oo]
;W[pm]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: my mistake ;)
mirmur: huhhh
luciangela [7k\]: !!!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: mAN
globax [4d\]: pff
dmwit [2k\]: Yow, you scared us!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they are counting
snowman [-\]: shades of kisei match...
StefanRadu [2d?\]: jim. cine castiga?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: acum am intrat.
jim [6d\]: albul
StefanRadu [2d?\]: si nu imi pot da seama.
StefanRadu [2d?\]: e diferenta mare?
luciangela [7k\]: w+4
meuns [2k\]: who is winning ?
jim [6d\]: komi
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: W+7
allonzo [6k\]: w+7
sorinab [9k?\]: yesssss !
Leothelion [4k\]: w +5.5
meuns [2k\]: w is strong ^^
Leothelion [4k\]: really
jim [6d\]: thx Eurogotv3
luciangela [7k\]: catalin?
globax [4d\]: thx eurogtv3
Youssev [5d\]: tx for the broadcast
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: still playing ;)
luciangela [7k\]: thx
allonzo [6k\]: thanks EuroGoTV
scurge [5d\]: S6 Llosing move na?
])