(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 8 board 5]PW[Rob van Zeijst]PB[Cornel Burzo]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-08-06]EV[main]RO[8]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[NL]BT[RO]US[kamyszyn]C[Aiso [10k\]: eurogotv
Aiso [10k\]: why uoyr 1 and 2 not show party
Aiso [10k\]: your*
]
;B[pd]
;W[dc]
;B[qp]
;W[dq]
;B[do]
;W[op]C[Jocky [3d\]: gooooooooooooooo cornell
Jocky [3d\]: D
]
;B[fp]
;W[pn]
;B[fr]C[as12: s6?
Russianlll [4k\]: where is Rob from?
bspoel: Netherlands
bspoel: but currently lives in Japan
Russianlll [4k\]: japan.. high living expenses.. how to survive?
bspoel: work?
Russianlll [4k\]: or does he earn as a Go player there?
bspoel: no
Russianlll [4k\]: tough
gogonuts [4d\]: f2 is interesting - b5 would not be good enough now for w
gogonuts [4d\]: c5 instead?
jim [6d\]: I bet on Cornel this game
svrcd [?\]: go Cornel! ))
]
;W[bo]
;B[cp]
;W[bp]
;B[cq]
;W[bq]
;B[cr]C[jim [6d\]: this push not goodB3
turk [6d\]: au contraire
jim [6d\]: now white can not play D6
]
;W[cl]C[turk [6d\]: b3 is good when b plays f2
turk [6d\]: if b played e2, then b3 would not have been played
turk [6d\]: rob knows this sort of things very well
turk [6d\]: w could have played d6
gogonuts [4d\]: w didnt want trouble, but f2 is a success for b now
turk [6d\]: c8 is a choice
jim [6d\]: B7........
gogonuts [4d\]: d15 now?
jim [6d\]: is a big aji
turk [6d\]: b must have c10 to use b7
jim [6d\]: black B7, white C7, black B8 and hard
jim [6d\]: no black can play B7 anytime
jim [6d\]: this is why B3 is a -
turk [6d\]: b7, d6?
jim [6d\]: same no base
jim [6d\]: C8
jim [6d\]: B8 sorry
turk [6d\]: b8, c9?
turk [6d\]: or c5 first
jim [6d\]: C5 not sente
turk [6d\]: why?
jim [6d\]: why sente?
turk [6d\]: d4 gets a stone, no?
jim [6d\]: now sure
jim [6d\]: B7 is big aji to me
turk [6d\]: after d6, that is
turk [6d\]: maybe
]
;B[ce]
;W[ci]C[turk [6d\]: now b7 is mute
jim [6d\]: yes
jim [6d\]: C15.......... maybe strange a little
turk [6d\]: lower left B is strong, the question is how to use this strength
kukulis4 [2d\]: is black d16 good enough ?
jim [6d\]: I like to play R6 now
jim [6d\]: but here many ways are posible
turk [6d\]: with ladder in w's favor, d16 may be responded with c17
]
;B[cc]C[jim [6d\]: black want sente here
turk [6d\]: hane then atari
jim [6d\]: not sure
Bembelbote [-\]: why did w play c11? to compensate the profit b gained below?
]
;W[cb]
;B[dd]C[turk [6d\]: profit?
jim [6d\]: E17 my choice here
turk [6d\]: w got the profit, b had the strength
turk [6d\]: my choice would be b17
]
;W[ec]
;B[bc]
;W[hc]
;B[oq]C[jim [6d\]: H17 not my choice
turk [6d\]: you prefer g16?
jim [6d\]: no, E16  to take sente
turk [6d\]: i c
jim [6d\]: now black happy a little
jim [6d\]: Q4 for white
turk [6d\]: agree
turk [6d\]: is he thinking q3?
]
;W[pp]
;B[pq]
;W[qo]
;B[rq]
;W[rp]
;B[qq]
;W[np]
;B[qg]
;W[nq]
;B[ro]
;W[rn]
;B[sp]
;W[qc]C[turk [6d\]: r17 aims to break the territory balance
turk [6d\]: i think the game is hard for b now
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably r13 should be at r14
turk [6d\]: could be
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be black R16 and then double hane ?
turk [6d\]: sure
turk [6d\]: but w top side has big potential then
kukulis4 [2d\]: what other choice black do have ?
turk [6d\]: q17 then r18
turk [6d\]: get sente to play k17
arcades [3k\]: Q17 better
kukulis4 [2d\]: if only black gets sente after Q17
turk [6d\]: he can with r18
]
;B[qd]
;W[pc]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[nb]
;W[nc]
;B[od]C[arcades [3k\]: mm
]
;W[mb]
;B[pb]
;W[na]
;B[qb]C[turk [6d\]: 016
]
;W[ed]
;B[ee]
;W[fe]
;B[ef]
;W[ff]
;B[eg]
;W[nd]
;B[qm]
;W[qn]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: black  must play top reducing move
kukulis4 [2d\]: I guess it should be around K15
]
;B[kq]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[oe]
;B[pf]C[turk [6d\]: o12?
kukulis4 [2d\]: N13
]
;W[qj]C[Mukti [4d\]: I prefer white's position at this time - it seems more efficient and has more potential for expansion
]
;B[jf]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: currently black has more cash, but white has more potential points than black
]
;W[jh]C[drojdie [2k?\]: if b tries to connect on the right, will allow w to get big territory on the righ side
kukulis4 [2d\]: I would play L13 or J13 here
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably J13, because if L13, then white gets wall closer to right side where he may gain more territory, so black L13 would not be good
tsAii [?\]: time left?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Jipp Thomas  - Pop Cristian  0-1
]
;B[mf]C[jleone [5k\]: it was the time for Pop to win ..after 2 funcky games
]
;W[lf]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: l13 easy way
]
;B[ic]
;W[id]
;B[jd]
;W[jc]
;B[le]
;W[lg]
;B[ib]C[JoostC [3d\]: White L3
JoostC [3d\]: L17
JoostC [3d\]: If white H18 Black k18 whit l17 black M17
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:30, black 1:20
]
;W[je]C[Mope: Cornel banzai 
kukulis4 [2d\]: this is banzai indeed
]
;B[kd]
;W[ie]C[baduk4all [-\]: L18
plamen [1k\]: whot does banzai actualy mean?
plamen [1k\]: what*
uwaki [-\]: hurray
just9x9 [-\]: it means ban sai
uwaki [-\]: long live
uwaki [-\]: it depends
uwaki [-\]: it's a battle cry
just9x9 [-\]: likw geronimo?
uwaki [-\]: sort of
]
;B[kb]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: thought banzai means forward
]
;W[me]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: :)
]
;B[hb]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: every time i look at this B looks better and better
kukulis4 [2d\]: cornel banzai worked
kukulis4 [2d\]: he survived deeeply in the opponent teritory
Jocky [3d\]: m16
JoostC [3d\]: If white G2 where are two black eyes?
JoostC [3d\]: Sorry G18
Xiangqi [4k\]: k 18?
kukulis4 [2d\]: if black takes h17 stone, then he gets some aji to attack j15 stones
JoostC [3d\]: Difficult for white: direct kill looks not possible, if tenuke black plays G17
Muscadet [?\]: i think it is much trouble for b if w plays18
Muscadet [?\]: g18
]
;W[ld]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]
;W[ke]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: I looked at g18 for a long time. seems like there was a geta for B to use to escape.
Xiangqi [4k\]: but its very complicated
]
;B[kc]
;W[fb]C[pmrktp: w dead
pmrktp: *b
]
;B[gb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: not yet
pmrktp: or not
allonzo [6k\]: why?
Xiangqi [4k\]: not even close
kukulis4 [2d\]: white b18
]
;W[fg]
;B[ko]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: wow
]
;W[eh]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: tenuki
]
;B[cn]
;W[bn]
;B[cm]
;W[bm]
;B[dl]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[bl]
;B[el]
;W[bf]
;B[cf]C[arcades [3k\]: b14 mistake?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cannot afford to play b18 in sente
]
;W[kn]
;B[pj]
;W[rf]
;B[rg]
;W[pi]C[nanotech [1k\]: Deana    Benko
olive61 [6k\]: you've got an obsession
plamen [1k\]: cant W play s16?
eurogotv8: it´s ko
plamen [1k\]: thank u
tupinoz [5k\]: how abouth table 8
]
;B[oi]C[Youssev [5d\]: plamen, if S16 then  S15 , R15, Q15 and B T18: result is ko but very bad ko for W
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: they finished but I don't know result
tupinoz [5k\]: ok
erkkierkki [7k\]: most likely b+r
plamen [1k\]: youssev why is the ko bad for W if he has nothing to lose there?
Youssev [5d\]: because approach ko
Youssev [5d\]: so could be played , but not now
plamen [1k\]: ok thank u
k0n0 [?\]: youssev: why not W s16 B r14?
k0n0 [?\]: no ko then
]
;W[oh]C[plamen [1k\]: seems so W loses a move becouse of corner
Youssev [5d\]: yes k0n0 u are right, even better
]
;B[qi]
;W[ph]
;B[qk]
;W[rj]C[Cogita [3d\]: how is cornel? 5-2`?
foresthill: 4-3
bobstep [2k?\]: EuroGo, game not over?
]
;B[pk]
;W[qh]
;B[ln]
;W[nk]
;B[rh]
;W[ri]
;B[nh]
;W[og]
;B[nl]
;W[mm]
;B[mk]
;W[nj]
;B[mj]
;W[ml]C[sameasyou [2d\]: is b back in the game with this sequence?
cocaDJ [6d\]: no
kkwett [2k\]: P8
cocaDJ [6d\]: b should resign
]
;B[nm]
;W[mn]C[cocaDJ [6d\]: not yet:P
]
;B[ni]C[sameasyou [2d\]: coca go get me a coffee and concentrate more :)
]
;W[rd]C[derp [1k\]: s16 is back to ko now?
derp [1k\]: r14 is short liberties
cocaDJ [6d\]: very hard to tell after 3 hours of playing
kukulis4 [2d\]: oh no
cocaDJ [6d\]: what?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black dead ?
cocaDJ [6d\]: R14,S15,T17
Revenje [3d\]: looks like ko
Revenje [3d\]: right?
cocaDJ [6d\]: hmm
cocaDJ [6d\]: T18 inseatd of T17
cocaDJ [6d\]: oh no
cocaDJ [6d\]: I think is a ko
sameasyou [2d\]: it's a ko 100%
sameasyou [2d\]: unfortunately w has plenty of threats
cocaDJ [6d\]: if it's a ko,b has no chance
Pinguschaf [5d\]: how to make ko?
sameasyou [2d\]: s15
drojdie [2k?\]: black p14 now
sameasyou [2d\]: s15, r15, q15 r15
sameasyou [2d\]: ko
badmoves [9k?\]: p14 for b is a right change?
]
;B[of]
;W[ng]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: hm
sameasyou [2d\]: lol...if t18 I think not ko anymore now
kukulis4 [2d\]: now black is able to play T17
sameasyou [2d\]: I think t 18 better
sameasyou [2d\]: or same?
Revenje [3d\]: can b sacrifise 3 stones and make life with the rest somehow?
Revenje [3d\]: nop
]
;B[qf]
;W[re]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: game over ?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: the other ko
Pinguschaf [5d\]: t17
sameasyou [2d\]: t17
Pinguschaf [5d\]: throw in
]
;B[sb]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: huh?
sameasyou [2d\]: lol
Pinguschaf [5d\]: what?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: b is just dead now
Mukti [4d\]: ????
liberrimo [1d\]: R15?
sameasyou [2d\]: b blind?
Mukti [4d\]: just q15 to kill all
Pinguschaf [5d\]: eurogo, no missclick?
sameasyou [2d\]: q15
kukulis4 [2d\]: black 5 liberties
]
;W[pe]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: white 5 liberties
]
;B[qe]
;W[ne]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: seems not
Pinguschaf [5d\]: omg
sameasyou [2d\]: amazing
kukulis4 [2d\]: oh
sameasyou [2d\]: he kulled himself
sameasyou [2d\]: killed
Revenje [3d\]: shit:(
sameasyou [2d\]: w+R
Pinguschaf [5d\]: amazing that cornel could have given away this game
kukulis4 [2d\]: t18 should be at t17
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
sameasyou [2d\]: lack of concentration
globax [4d\]: thx eurogotv3
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black has resigned
sameasyou [2d\]: he should have played the ko
sameasyou [2d\]: I'm so nervous now
jleone [5k\]: stupid .
])