(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 8]PW[Eunkuk Kim]PB[Alexandre Dinerchtein]WR[7d]BR[3p]DT[2009-08-06]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board 1 round 8]RO[8]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[HW9x9]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Haven't see White or Black play before.
oddalot [7k\]: spy vs spy today
Gary34 [4k?\]: hehe ;) 
feker: is White strong? Z_z
Draak [1d\]: good morning
tontonken [7k\]: it's a demo :P
globax [4d\]: ghost game ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Will this be Kim Enkuk versus Alexandre Dinerchtein?
Xiangqi [4k\]: I would venture that it is
Aiso [10k\]: нуу 1ые ефиду
Aiso [10k\]: 1st table
MoonCrash [5k\]: could someone provide video link?
HandA [1k\]: Ye the right board
Porkypine [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
tontonken [7k\]: when it's eurogotv1, it has to be big
MoonCrash [5k\]: thx
TeeSushi [3d\]: if alex can win  this t would be outstanding
mcw85 [7k\]: Huge game for young Alex.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV1: Do you know of Chi-Minh is stil undefeated in Rapid tourney?
Porkypine [8k\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=node/1491
Porkypine [8k\]: rapid wall list
tontonken [7k\]: they still haven't arrived at board
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, but it isn't update with round 7.
Porkypine [8k\]: Oh I see.
tontonken [7k\]: go breakfast!
yoshiro [3k\]: wich board playes oh che min ??
Sakeus [17k\]: good morning
MoonCrash [5k\]: room  is scenic!
tontonken [7k\]: white is an amateur dan, right?
MoonCrash [5k\]: nice window overlooking windmills
dmwit [2k\]: Oh!
MoonCrash [5k\]: oh, wait...
dmwit [2k\]: Seeing the board with every stone on it made me realize why the rule is 180 of each color. =)
MoonCrash [5k\]: beautiful view
tontonken [7k\]: lol
Lebron [?\]: I LIKE THIS GAME A LOt
mcw85 [7k\]: I like that banner.
dmwit [2k\]: Try the Caps Lock, it makes typing in all-caps a lot easier.
falco: some sorry, i read that as i like to troll a lot!
Xiangqi [4k\]: So Alex is really doing well.  tied for first.
falco: tied since when?
Lebron [?\]: i have a broken keyboard, some of the keys are caps, some not
mcw85 [7k\]: He's in 3rd.
falco: isnt it three way tied?
Q161 [13k?\]: since last match
Xiangqi [4k\]: 3 way tie yes
falco: but SODOS and what not matter too
mcw85 [7k\]: No, not three way tie.
Lebron [?\]: beat a korean :\]
Xiangqi [4k\]: by the end it's just going to be wins and losses
tontonken [7k\]: eunkuk kim has arrived at the table.
HandA [1k\]: lol I thought eunkim was a woman
Lebron [?\]: video feeed?
Q161 [13k?\]: colors already decided?
KoReNJe [3d\]: w should resign
gaoyakun [4d?\]: hi all~
OrangeRage [4k\]: Is kim stronger?
Gary34 [4k?\]: dunno, komi looks dominating atm 
tontonken [7k\]: kim is amateur dan
KoReNJe [3d\]: what's w's nickname on kgs?
MaLa [2d\]: not playing afaik
tontonken [7k\]: hey euro, can you set up board like \\
tontonken [7k\]: it is in the broadcast?
tontonken [7k\]: :D
tontonken [7k\]: nvm
Xiangqi [4k\]: I think black will think for a long time then play something really original like a 3-4 or a 4-4
tontonken [7k\]: cute guess.
seppy [?\]: Eurogo what's the temperature in Groningen?
xDragon [15k\]: 2-2 6-5 opening
Porkypine [8k\]: Hasn't he been playing 3-3 a lot? 
MaLa [2d\]: no 4-4 ;) 3-3 or 3-4 ;)
Porkypine [8k\]: I'm guessing 3-3
mcw85 [7k\]: Black moves first.
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;B[qd]C[Lebron [?\]: no video feed?
mcw85 [7k\]: Alex likes 3-4 and 3-3.
Porkypine [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Xiangqi [4k\]: aha! there it is
hubabuba: Go breakfast !!! ,or diner? who knows? :)
tontonken [7k\]: 3-4
mcw85 [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
tontonken [7k\]: it's breakfast
Lebron [?\]: i like how the US feed is still going
hubabuba: not diner:
hubabuba: ?
hubabuba: :)
dmwit [2k\]: You would think that go players would plan their first like... 3 or 4 moves long ahead of time.
Shukai [1d\]: its a waste of planning!
Shukai [1d\]: what says someone doesn't do tengen
Lebron [?\]: pre-game stretches?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
lose100 [1d\]: did they know yesterday (the day off) that they would be playing each other today?
xDragon [15k\]: alex is in trouble
xDragon [15k\]: hes got a fan
dmwit [2k\]: ...does white know the game started?
xDragon [15k\]: fans add 5 stones
MaLa [2d\]: but he is leading in points on the board right now
dmwit [2k\]: He's just looking at the board like he doesn't know what it is.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls let me know if something wrong with sound or picture
xDragon [15k\]: give w some coffee
oddalot [7k\]: "hmmm, should i got with the white collered shirt, or the white collered shirt today?"
qgo [4k\]: good morning EuroGO
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: morning qgo
Q161 [13k?\]: indeed, good morning EuroGo
Xiangqi [4k\]: white will try to confuse Black by playing mirror go.
Lebron [?\]: collar
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: morning all^^
Q161 [13k?\]: thanks for the video feed
Lebron [?\]: fan power
oddalot [7k\]: oh yeah
tontonken [7k\]: next move :O
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;W[dc]C[Crowno [10k\]: what is white reading?
tontonken [7k\]: euro i'm pretty sure that's three three :O
HandA [1k\]: two stones placed and then Alex arrived?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry, i am not feeling well
dmwit [2k\]: HandA: He walked out for a bit.
Q161 [13k?\]: :(
Vilya [3k\]: it's a san-san for white 1 isn't it ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Ahh.
tontonken [7k\]: nah that's three four
mcw85 [7k\]: Hope you feel better.
tontonken [7k\]: hard to see
falco: how's the weather?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hot
falco: :/
falco: air conditioned?
xDragon [15k\]: "hmm, i need material for my trick move lectures..."
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;B[dp]C[TopRock [8k\]: 7dan undo?
tontonken [7k\]: actually that was san san
leger [1d\]: no tv feed ?
xDragon [15k\]: oh 4-4
uh [1d?\]: he has a trick move store right
TeeSushi [3d\]: uh fighting game i guess
OrangeRage [4k\]: Trouble for white
Porkypine [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;W[pp]C[dmwit [2k\]: Man, this is hilarious.
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;B[ce]C[dmwit [2k\]: White isn't even watching the game. ^_^
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;W[ed]C[Terminator [7k\]: whats hilarious?
qgo [4k\]: diagonal game
mcw85 [7k\]: White is attempting to unnerve young Alex.
TopRock [8k\]: how do you know hes not watching?
xDragon [15k\]: trick move coming
Gizensha [?\]: at move 3 othing much to see in the game yet :)
Terminator [7k\]: whats wrong with diagonal game???
dmwit [2k\]: TopRock: I'm watching him not watching.
Gizensha [?\]: nothing*
Porkypine [8k\]: d7 CHECKMATE
tontonken [7k\]: diagonal game is cool.
Porkypine [8k\]: that'd be a neat trick
TopRock [8k\]: lol lol
TopRock [8k\]: how?
tontonken [7k\]: this is a nice move.
dmwit [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Lebron [?\]: p17
qgo [4k\]: usually parallel
falco: honestly, i dont think black's style is this..
falco: never seen him play diagonal
TopRock [8k\]: where do you see him?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
falco: he likes trick moves, but he plays solid
dmwit [2k\]: TopRock: ...in the video stream at the site I just linked you to.
xDragon [15k\]: even for an asian that guy looks nerdy
TopRock [8k\]: OMG!!!
tontonken [7k\]: black didn't play the diagonal
TopRock [8k\]: thats soo cool
BoGoss [2k\]: p17 
Xiangqi [4k\]: doesnt Alex like the chinese opening?
Terminator [7k\]: ehehe
Nemerid [-\]: he likes new ideas more than trick moves
Porkypine [8k\]: C10 gogo
Terminator [7k\]: welcome to go TV TopRock
Q161 [13k?\]: kosumi?
falco: c10 says im greedy
tontonken [7k\]:  http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 for people that didn't see that the first 100 times.
tontonken [7k\]: c10 says i want a fight
falco: tenuki or c11
Terminator [7k\]: nobody played C10
royalty [3d\]: o17 direction is pretty common
dmwit [2k\]: I predict a joseki will occur.
Porkypine [8k\]: C10 says pok pok pok pok :(
Terminator [7k\]: why are the 7kyus talking like they know something?
OrangeRage [4k\]: lol
xDragon [15k\]: f17!
TopRock [8k\]: so  pro doesnt realy mean enithing
tontonken [7k\]: cause the 7kyus think they do :P
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;B[ic]C[Xiangqi [4k\]: yeah at least get 6k before offing your indight
TopRock [8k\]: just a difrent way of saying dan
falco: who cares? we are here to enjoy the game
Nemerid [-\]: he chose a active way
OrangeRage [4k\]: 15K are the ones that really know their stuff though
oddalot [7k\]: with out powers combined!
xDragon [15k\]: yep, my number is bigger
OrangeRage [4k\]: exactly!
jleone [5k\]: how is these korean amateurs are stronger then european pros ?
royalty [3d\]: fighting ensues
Terminator [7k\]: 7k only knows Gote and dango
falco: says... the... 7k.. himself...
dmwit [2k\]: Hell, I didn't even know that when I was 7k.
Xiangqi [4k\]: i think this is going to be a game of small groups 
OrangeRage [4k\]: Korean equals more asian which in turn equals more strenght
xDragon [15k\]: i like dumplings
falco: please focus on game not the rank
GocchiSama [2d\]: dinerchtein is an honorific pro,h didn`t pass the same exam as korean insei
Terminator [7k\]: :-)
OrangeRage [4k\]: *strength
xDragon [15k\]: easy for you to say mr no rank
falco: yes, i like watching games
tontonken [7k\]: dango: when two stronger players play a game that complicates so much that both players lose a lot of stones, and there are a lot of kos.
Terminator [7k\]: no
tontonken [7k\]: and in which the observers complain about the moves
tontonken [7k\]: a lot.
xDragon [15k\]: they keep saying :dang"
dmwit [2k\]: tontonken: No, that's dan go. =)
oddalot [7k\]: why aren't there any older people in this tournament?
Terminator [7k\]: Dango is dumpling , Dango means potatoe in japanese
Xiangqi [4k\]: Alex is a pro because they wanted to have a russian pro to promote go in Russia. He's more than proven his worth since being made a pro.
OrangeRage [4k\]: Terminator: Your mom!
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;W[df]C[Terminator [7k\]: where?
Porkypine [8k\]: Didn't he defeat O Rissei
tontonken [7k\]: white made a move without black in the room
tontonken [7k\]: gasp.
xDragon [15k\]: now the trick play might come
seppy [?\]: mistake
Heresiarch [9k\]: Sean O Rissei? >_<
OrangeRage [4k\]: d16 , super tricky
tontonken [7k\]: d15 for break?
Terminator [7k\]: xDragon pros dont play trick move
TeeSushi [3d\]: must be some damn interesting piece of paper if he reads it while playing 
Porkypine [8k\]: White is just reading his flyer
Porkypine [8k\]: lol
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;B[cg]C[xDragon [15k\]: alex is going to give a lecture about trick plays from the euro congress
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;W[dh]C[dmwit [2k\]: Bah, pros play only trick moves.
tontonken [7k\]: white loves that flyer lol
TeeSushi [3d\]: c13 d12 was played
xDragon [15k\]: he needs material!
jleone [5k\]: but taranu have became pro in japan by the standard rules, and he is 5p
fatihsulak [2d\]: isnt this old sytle? 
falco: white refusing gote?
Terminator [7k\]: pros are all day studying serously Hikaru manga
OrangeRage [4k\]: c11 , to make a pretty pattern O.O
Xiangqi [4k\]: and I saw breakfast beat him in a different European go championships and he's got a better score in this one than Taranu
tontonken [7k\]: should black connect?
Terminator [7k\]: now I will like some high dans commentary ehre
Terminator [7k\]: here
dmwit [2k\]: No time to connect.
falco: black must live, c17 if anything?
Eldar [3d\]: Taranu has stopped playing professional games, last I heard
jleone [5k\]: who is breakfast ?
Eldar [3d\]: he's out of the game circuit
falco: alexander dinerchtein
falco: is breakfast
TopRock [8k\]: lol hes ignoring the game on perpes
OrangeRage [4k\]: breakfast is the most important meal of the day
TopRock [8k\]: to anoy the white man
Eldar [3d\]: maybe he's studying.
Eldar [3d\]: lol
dmwit [2k\]: OrangeRage: Yeah, pretty funny. =)
dmwit [2k\]: OrangeRage: And black keeps leaving, for the same reason, I think.
Porkypine [8k\]: eurogotv what is he reading?
xDragon [15k\]: egc flyer
Q161 [13k?\]: joseki info :)
falco: looks like events for the day
Porkypine [8k\]: I was at the egc. I didn't see any flyers that looked like that
falco: that's odd
Terminator [7k\]: psychological tasuji
falco: they have htem daily in feed
OrangeRage [4k\]: "English Victory Chants Made Easy"
Terminator [7k\]: haha
xDragon [15k\]: i wonder what alex does every time he wanders away
dmwit [2k\]: OMG!  Black is going to the bathroom to cheat with other pros.
Porkypine [8k\]: Psychological warfare
TopRock [8k\]: lol
Porkypine [8k\]: You read your flyers, I'm going to leave the room
Porkypine [8k\]: roar
xDragon [15k\]: its alex's turn
TopRock [8k\]: hes going to meat an 8dan to cheat
lepeksiy [-\]: b escaper?
dmwit [2k\]: hahaha
TopRock [8k\]: ahhahaha
TopRock [8k\]: lol
NigMaN [4k\]: +1
NigMaN [4k\]: :)
tontonken [7k\]: nah, alex just lost connection ;D
gogonuts [4d\]: w is trying to make J17 an overextension
biloba: where is the Ishida lexikon?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe he is getting a coffee for me?
Porkypine [8k\]: you wish!
TopRock [8k\]: escape in real life is funny XD just tet up and leav the room
xDragon [15k\]: be sure to tip your waiters
OrangeRage [4k\]: Breakfast should just punch him in the face O.O It would only be one foul and would help him the whole game through.  I bet he could make it to the end zone for a hole in one after that.
xDragon [15k\]: toprock, escapes have to be more clever than that
tontonken [7k\]: i should try that at the go club :O
magners [2k\]: eurogotv, zoom on what kim is reading :P
xDragon [15k\]: something as crude as running, or  slipping out of the bathroom window
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe b12, d13, c10
Xiangqi [4k\]: he's looking for 'get strong at the 3-4 joseki's' at the book vendor
dmwit [2k\]: Nuclear tesuji: throw the board at your opponent.
qgo [4k\]: he is reading the congress dailyu bullrtin
Porkypine [8k\]: SOLVE THIS *Throws board at face*
qgo [4k\]: daily*
Porkypine [8k\]: Epic way of teaching go for sure
dmwit [2k\]: Oh, lol, he's actually zooming in on the reading material.
dmwit [2k\]: EuroGoTV: You rock.
falco: eurogotv always the best
OrangeRage [4k\]: What was he reading?
falco: usgo was unresponsive when i watched ing memorial
tontonken [7k\]: euro could you please get a better angle :O
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV put the camera on the KGS window on your laptop so I don't need to keep switching between KGS and Firefox.
falco: i dont think i even saw him smile :(
Gizensha [?\]: as long as he doesn't harrash the players with his camera :)
xDragon [15k\]: yes, closeup of all their faces
xDragon [15k\]: get a picture of him, see how he likes it
Porkypine [8k\]: lol
dmwit [2k\]: hahaha
dmwit [2k\]: Man, this place is great.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that was the boss of Oro media
dmwit [2k\]: You wouldn't be allowed to snark like this at the actual competition. =)
TopRock [8k\]: where is this mach?
falco: you should wave to the white player and/ or oro media boss
falco: see if they wave back :)
xDragon [15k\]: admiring the wood?
qgo [4k\]: this match is ine the Netherlands, European Go Congress
Uberdude [5d?\]: who was that dud touching the board?
tontonken [7k\]: euro, people wanna see what you look like
dmwit [2k\]: falco: That's probably really bad etiquette.
xDragon [15k\]: alex might have gone back to sleep
Q161 [13k?\]: thats eurogotv
falco: waving is actually very nice imo
dmwit [2k\]: Not in a competition where concentration matters.
tontonken [7k\]: yeah, distract him :D
tontonken [7k\]: make him look away from that paper/go board
xDragon [15k\]: wasnt there that guy in a professional match who timed out with like 1 hour left after he fell asleep
KoReNJe [3d\]: eurogotv must resign
MoonCrash [5k\]: problem with video?
KoReNJe [3d\]: no :p
tontonken [7k\]: he walked out the room
tontonken [7k\]: just like alex
tontonken [7k\]: come back alex....
KoReNJe [3d\]: hairy
mcw85 [7k\]: Breakfast remembered he forgot to turn his oven off back in Russia. He is flying back, so he will brb.
Shukai [1d\]: surely b seen this move before...
dmwit [2k\]: White has time to read all the way to the end of the game!
MoonCrash [5k\]: alex getting his own hand fan
dmwit [2k\]: When black gets back, if white doesn't resign, we'll know he wins.
tontonken [7k\]: maybe alex is going on vacation
KoReNJe [3d\]: wow
xDragon [15k\]: alex will be wearing a new white collar shirt
KoReNJe [3d\]: did he buy hd camera?
MoonCrash [5k\]: maybe he got lost and he's wandreing the halls
KoReNJe [3d\]: pic quality looks better than usually :p
KoReNJe [3d\]: but no deinterlacing filter :p
billybatts [-\]: is austin powers there today?
xDragon [15k\]: hope so
xDragon [15k\]: hey eurogo
xDragon [15k\]: can we watch other match meanwhile
zc3k [1k\]: w blody fighter
xDragon [15k\]: ah its alex
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;B[ch]C[Shijiyaku [26k?\]: perfect timing
xDragon [15k\]: hit and run
falco: "hwaiting!"
waffle [5k\]: alex
KoReNJe [3d\]: was that hairy carrying camera?
waffle [5k\]: get kim back :O
che [-\]: both gone
Gizensha [?\]: listening Conan soundtrack while watching the game :D
dmwit [2k\]: Aren't there some kind of rules about this?
Q161 [13k?\]: lol neither of them seem interested
xDragon [15k\]: i kinda wanna listen to the benny hill theme song while watching this
waffle [5k\]: lol good idea.
gogonuts [4d\]: c12 feels heavy to me
mcw85 [7k\]: Nice camera.
Porkypine [8k\]: It's their time
Porkypine [8k\]: they can do whatever they want
falco: yep
mcw85 [7k\]: Eurogo, mess up the stones a little, see if they notice.
Lebron [?\]: do you prefer b12?
Terminator [7k\]: yawn
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
billybatts [-\]: b12 is a good vitamin
waffle [5k\]: zooooom :O
falco: plus, it's what 10 am? all probably hungry for breakfast
xDragon [15k\]: ive turned it to benny hill now
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;W[di]C[falco: or getting caffiene + coffee
Q161 [13k?\]: eurogo i like the messing up stones idea
waffle [5k\]: aw he played?
waffle [5k\]: you gotta turn comp back
fatihsulak [2d\]: it seems j17 will be lonely 
waffle [5k\]: they only do it once an hour.
Xiangqi [4k\]: Benny Hill is awesome
mcw85 [7k\]: Those board are nice.
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;B[ci]
;W[dj]
;B[cj]
;W[dk]C[oddalot [7k\]: boards*
xDragon [15k\]: yea, and its appropriate with the way these guys are in and out
KoReNJe [3d\]: the guy with laptop on video looks freaky
waffle [5k\]: quick turn it back :O
fatihsulak [2d\]: black trying to get sente? 
TeeSushi [3d\]: d13 e13 c8 
fatihsulak [2d\]: m17 maybe
xDragon [15k\]: except it needs to be in fast motion
Gizensha [?\]: euro: turn the camera please :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oi koren
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you look freaky to me :P
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;B[nc]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: who the heck is that guy
TeeSushi [3d\]: Oo what the heck
TeeSushi [3d\]: c9 seems big
gogonuts [4d\]: ah, b stole sente :-)
xDragon [15k\]: is that austin powers?
Terminator [7k\]: B is ahead
fatihsulak [2d\]: white must c9 now i guess
mcw85 [7k\]: Rob van Zeihst.
waffle [5k\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: Zeijst*
xDragon [15k\]: same hairdo
waffle [5k\]: it's the master of disguise.
che [-\]: c9 sente now?
mcw85 [7k\]: 7d.
mcw85 [7k\]: Alex beat him by a point.
Porkypine [8k\]: ohh frank Janssen
Terminator [7k\]: R10 bigger than C9?
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;W[ck]
;B[fq]C[xDragon [15k\]: maybe a slow motion song would work better for this game
Xiangqi [4k\]: i'm guessing alex extended just far enough that c9 isn't sente for w.
fatihsulak [2d\]: lol 
falco: what
xDragon [15k\]: like chariots of fire
Xiangqi [4k\]: hehe hit return a second too late
TopRock [8k\]: omg cant alex  stay in one place?!
waffle [5k\]: euro you played the move before it happened :O
falco: it happened before video caught it
fatihsulak [2d\]: black speedy opening 
mcw85 [7k\]: Alex has ADHD.
falco: there is obviously some delay
dmwit [2k\]: Nah, there's just a buffer in the video.
TeeSushi [3d\]: somehow i think alex will lose this 
Gizensha [?\]: theme of the Requiem for a Dream?
waffle [5k\]: oh.
waffle [5k\]: just in case one player gives the middle finger?
waffle [5k\]: or says a cuss word
fatihsulak [2d\]: b16?
gogonuts [4d\]: bs play is a little too dodgy for my taste
Xiangqi [4k\]: wow. alex really took the lead all over the place.
KoReNJe [3d\]: w is korean
waffle [5k\]: white doesn't have much
gogonuts [4d\]: i think w is better
gogonuts [4d\]: on the board i mean :-)
Terminator [7k\]: B is way ahead
fatihsulak [2d\]: i think it is even 
ramborocky [8k\]: is  alex not afraid of playing against korean like this?
Shukai [1d\]: where is white followups here?
fatihsulak [2d\]: territory vs power
Shukai [1d\]: from this wall
OrangeRage [4k\]: white has a sweet wall, black has some cash
MoonCrash [5k\]: w r10?
waffle [5k\]: black is territory-oriented?
Hanne [3k\]: white must pick a fight
Kantid [4k\]: how it can be even? W's wall aiming nothing
Terminator [7k\]: pros allways choose cash?
Xiangqi [4k\]: as far as getting out big moves in more areas he's ahead. but white is very strong in the upper right
sws4: waffe: a little bit..
Xiangqi [4k\]: er upper left sorry
leger [1d\]: I think white will win, my little finger says so, but black seems to lead
tsuchigumo [-\]: In the opening and middlegame territory is less important than the strength of groups
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: against most Korean it is a good strategie to go for territory and give them influence, but this is the only Korean i know who really likes thickness
waffle [5k\]: upper left story: white doesn't have much territory there. the end.
Draak [1d\]: i would play something like r10 here
Eldar [3d\]: I don't know about in Europe but in the USA it's pretty rude to keep getting up from the game
waffle [5k\]: are you saying the koreans are too thin?
jinkidie [16k\]: has the tv link been posted?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is a 5 hour game
Terminator [7k\]: sure, R10 next
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
waffle [5k\]:  http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Xiangqi [4k\]: upper left isnt strong becuase of the territory. it just radiates power all over the place.
waffle [5k\]: jink, it's been posted tons of times before
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: tv link is in our info
Terminator [7k\]: "radiates power "  haha
just9x9 [-\]: l17? use the wall to chase?
waffle [5k\]: euro, do you play solitaire on laptop when they stop making moves or surf the internet?
xDragon [15k\]: ok ive changed it to chariots of fire. da da-da da da... da
Kantid [4k\]: chase what?
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;W[qj]C[Terminator [7k\]: yay
ramborocky [8k\]: alex is ulucky getting to play against such a slow thinking guys at this turnament :/
Terminator [7k\]: he played my move
Xiangqi [4k\]: I know it sounds like BS but totally true ;-)
just9x9 [-\]: chase j17
Cassis0 [5d\]: Eldar, in europe it's definitely not rude
falco: it's not really rude in the u.s. either
waffle [5k\]: if it was rude he wouldn't do it :P
falco: it's a LONG game
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: or he'd use it as a tactic
waffle [5k\]: it's rude in some places in us
Oloril [1k\]: it's rude in the US?
falco: you cant sit all game, 
waffle [5k\]: falco, that's how pro games are.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i read the kibitz to stay awake
falco: waffle, they have breaks
fatihsulak [2d\]: it is not rude in WAGC too 
Shukai [1d\]: o3?
Oloril [1k\]: get up, get water, go to the bathroom, it's normal
just9x9 [-\]: some places like where?
Oloril [1k\]: or ever just wander around and clear your mind, it's your time to use as you wish
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;B[qh]C[falco: exactly
mcw85 [7k\]: I never played in a tournament, but if I did I'd be sure not to keep getting up.
waffle [5k\]: you sure?
just9x9 [-\]: i am sure u will mcw85 ;)
waffle [5k\]: be in one before you say that :P
Terminator [7k\]: why not? is good to distract the opponent
leger [1d\]: sitting 6 hours straight isn't worth it
ColdFront [4k\]: I would take my opponent out for drinks
stupidbum [3k\]: i'd have to go for a smoke very other minute
fatihsulak [2d\]: if two pros playing on your next table, you wouldn't watch them 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: most of my games were 5+ hours straight
waffle [5k\]: i would get so hammered construction workers would be amazed.
Eldar [3d\]: I'm just saying it's rude to get up on your own turn
dmwit [2k\]: Having done a few 6-hour exams, I can confidently say that it's the 20-minute break at 3 hours that makes it possible.
xDragon [15k\]: i typically dont get up during matches, mostly cause i tend to have to ask my opponent if theyve moved.
Gizensha [?\]: you get used to the opponent moving about in tournaments
mcw85 [7k\]: I've sat for a very long time for exams, etc.
tibali [3d\]: have they 3 hours for each one??
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1 min byo
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: which can mean forever
ColdFront [4k\]: what test were you taking dmwit?
Gizensha [?\]: the games can be quite long and when you are in the "zone" it really doesn't matter waht opponent is doing
fatihsulak [2d\]: fans are sometimes more distracting 
dmwit [2k\]: SATs, GREs, Putnam exam, some other math-geek exams
Xiangqi [4k\]: I got used to staying at the board. I play with an older chinese man and he's the master of the sleeve tesuji and accidently moving stones while he 'straightens' them. :-P
ColdFront [4k\]: lols, I forgot the SAT was so long XD
MoonCrash [5k\]: w Q16?
Xiangqi [4k\]: If I ever left god only knows what he's do.
Eldar [3d\]: this will be a great game to see how Kim can put his influence to use
fatihsulak [2d\]: p10 seems normal move
jinkidie [16k\]: 1pm: Black plays. 3:30 pm: White: "Oh, is it my move?"
MoonCrash [5k\]: sleeve tesuji. lol
ramborocky [8k\]: instead of waking around he should think and antisipate the next move, i find this getting up annoying aswell ^^
TopRock [8k\]: icam back from holand 2 days agoXDine
TopRock [8k\]: eded to s
Xiangqi [4k\]: for real. the guy can actually do it really slick and put the stone where he wants it
Terminator [7k\]: this game is more peacefull, the others have more action
Tsumugari [4k\]: black is playing only low moves
TopRock [8k\]: its only the begining
just9x9 [-\]: action will come here
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV: If Yanqi shows up again, can you keep us abreast with her movements about the room?
Terminator [7k\]: when I fall sleep
Gizensha [?\]: Xiangqi: i don't know the elderly gentleman but it sounds like you need better playing company :)
Draak [1d\]: k16 any good?
jinkidie [16k\]: Why r12 instead of something like say m3
Xiangqi [4k\]: nah he's great. I ignore his cheating becuase he's cool. :-)
falco: c16
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;W[oj]C[TopRock [8k\]: alex is 90% forhead
Xiangqi [4k\]: lol
Xiangqi [4k\]: of course. he's a pro.
fatihsulak [2d\]: p12 is a must i guess
jinkidie [16k\]: yup he rubbed it clean
xDragon [15k\]: you should have seen his match with geert g. toprock
dmwit [2k\]: 90% forehead and the other 90% go master
xDragon [15k\]: it was a fivehead battle
waffle [5k\]: nice move
chute [2k\]: with such a strong wall white will most probably try harder then k16
fatihsulak [2d\]: but it would be interesting to see black play j15 
Tsumugari [4k\]: p10 empty move
just9x9 [-\]: r10 is better direction for w as b can form a box like shape there with r16 and o17. m3 is a big move as well but not so attractive for b
falco: o3?
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;B[qq]C[waffle [5k\]: consider q13 noob move next?
Xiangqi [4k\]: wow
sws4: o gosh
Xiangqi [4k\]: just wow
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
fatihsulak [2d\]: lol black goes all for territory 
Xiangqi [4k\]: b is like 'ok I have enough now gg
xDragon [15k\]: speaking of geert
fatihsulak [2d\]: white needs to fight hard to win this game 
ramborocky [8k\]: hey! it was cocke man!
Meganoide [2d\]: w will put up a great fight
Hightway [6k?\]: yeah for renforce after in K3
gogonuts [4d\]: O3 is is for sissys :-)
falco: ? how so?
Terminator [7k\]: B won already
Aiso [10k\]: yeye it was geert
falco: i guess r3 is sente..
jinkidie [16k\]: let me know if you pro types see a joseki innovation ok?
MoonCrash [5k\]: q3 or r4?
gogonuts [4d\]: not so terminator
Shukai [1d\]: maybe b want to settle here then smack a point around tengen
fatihsulak [2d\]: white may take corner 
Hightway [6k?\]: I like black there
fatihsulak [2d\]: with double hane 
MoonCrash [5k\]: q3 maybe
gogonuts [4d\]: surely r4 for q3, the question is what comes then
Xiangqi [4k\]: that joseki in the upper left was pretty instructive.
falco: so until white c16, he will not play r17?
waffle [5k\]: right now i see black in a good position, yet a bad one at the same time
kimball [5d?\]: not sente, b will live there then w invades the top/right corner
Xiangqi [4k\]: I mean, I'll forget it and all. but still. If I was paying attention I'd have learned a lot.
waffle [5k\]: white should build influence towards the center.
jinkidie [16k\]: i guess he is deciding whether or not to scrap in the corner?
gogonuts [4d\]: lets ask tobias
Xiangqi [4k\]: he has to scrap. just thinknig about the right direction
Eldar [3d\]: that wasn't really joseki
MoonCrash [5k\]: Q16 ripe for invasion. is there better spot?
Eldar [3d\]: B got a better result in the upper left
xDragon [15k\]: r4?
Hanne [3k\]: w says " go ahead, make territory with your thickness"
Hanne [3k\]: *b
Hightway [6k?\]: F7 really interesting for black
Terminator [7k\]: Q3 is the right direction?
gogonuts [4d\]: sente is very important now - w cant allow b to steal the corner and the consolidate at p12
mmk [8k\]: неужели сейчас сан-сан выгоднее чем какари
jinkidie [16k\]: This is confusing. Where's Dumbledore when you need him?
Kantid [4k\]: а как бы ты ответил на какари?
Terminator [7k\]: where is TooStrong?
Eldar [3d\]: B J17 stone is slowly but surely looking too close to the wall
Aiso [10k\]: dblbvj lbyth [jxtn nthhbnjhb.
Aiso [10k\]: динер хочет территория
Porkypine [8k\]: Ahem
Porkypine [8k\]: This is an English Room
mmk [8k\]: пожулй, блокировкой угла
Porkypine [8k\]: ;_;
gogonuts [4d\]: r4, q3, o3, o2, L17
dmwit [2k\]: jinkidie: You say the strangest things of anybody here, and that's including the gibberish-speaking Russians.
dmwit [2k\]: Porkypine: No, it doesn't work that way.
gogonuts [4d\]: i want a new car if i guessed right :-)
kukulis4 [2d\]: correct dirrection r4 here ?
Xiangqi [4k\]: so it looks to me like a choice between bad and worse. either way white forces this seems good for b to me.
dmwit [2k\]: Porkypine: In the games, any language goes.
yumeKa [6k\]: сан сан для Ч это сенте
jim [6d\]: white won this already
xDragon [15k\]: r4 has to be correct direction
mcw85 [7k\]: I think r4 withought thinking.
Porkypine [8k\]: How rude
mcw85 [7k\]: Withought?
Terminator [7k\]: Porkypine, be nice please
gogonuts [4d\]: this is a position where dans love w and kyus love b
waffle [5k\]: what, euro walking in front of his computer?
ColdFront [4k\]: q3  with thought
mmk [8k\]: да, сэнте - это важно
magners [2k\]: dmwit, i've heard javaness say "watch your language", so surely not any language is ok
falco: i think breakfast has played too many online games
falco: needs top view
falco: or cannot concentrate
dmwit [2k\]: magners: Any language, but not all words in each language. =)
gogonuts [4d\]: but alexandre won with a very thin position on monday
falco: that's why he stands up heh
Muscadet [?\]: Hallo Egbert - was spielt s wenn w b15 testet?
waffle [5k\]: omigod jyem is on
kimball [5d?\]: w is planning strategy, not considering r4 or q3, it is definitely r4 here
isiolo: well black likes black and he's a 3p go nuts
mmk [8k\]: Александр решил играть в территорию, получается
Terminator [7k\]: why R4?
Terminator [7k\]: isnt better to have influence to the left?
F00 [1d\]: I love how black play this game
Kantid [4k\]: он всегда так играет.
kimball [5d?\]: was soll b15 nützen?
songha [1k\]: then it's open term
ColdFront [4k\]: black is the new white
TopRock [8k\]: aging or intence go playing
tsuchigumo [-\]: I hate how b is playing
mmk [8k\]: я мало его видел игр
gogonuts [4d\]: no, if b gets r4 p10 and r10 are very badly placed
Hightway [6k?\]: black for sure points
xDragon [15k\]: was the match against geert where alex had to call a ref cause geert was so slow
mcw85 [7k\]: Go, could you explain?
waffle [5k\]: *waitingness*
Kantid [4k\]: в оьщем наберёт везде понемножку и выйграет пол очка ^_^
gogonuts [4d\]: again, b won with this "what are you going to do about it?" style on monday
Xiangqi [4k\]: looks to me like r4 gives white about 25 solid points and B like 14 or so. b should end in sente so how is that good for white?
mmk [8k\]: )
Hanne [3k\]: how can b be sure that c13 is alive after c9 ?
ramborocky [8k\]: r4 is about the only move, what the hell is he fanning himself for?!
kimball [5d?\]: ich bin sicher b 16 ist der zug lokal
waffle [5k\]: euro, now it's time to watch the other game again :O
MoonCrash [5k\]: lol
dmwit [2k\]: I think white will tenuki.
xDragon [15k\]: might be time to switch to benny hill again
kukulis4 [2d\]: he is thinking may be few more moves ahead
yumeKa [6k\]: да так то не шибко у Ч территории.
gogonuts [4d\]: its beneath his dignity to exchange r4 for q3 and start thinking then
ColdFront [4k\]: white better tenuki
Hightway [6k?\]: O15 is a prety big 
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV, can you rotoscope the film next year?
mcw85 [7k\]: Please.
Kantid [4k\]: за то всё крепко
Adante [1k\]: he won't tenuki
soeasy [3d\]: r4 likely
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: rotoscope??
Heresiarch [9k\]: Brillant, yes rotoscope that puppy
Xiangqi [4k\]: what's that? like playing their moves in slow motion while rotating the view like the matrix?
Adante [1k\]: probably Q3
mmk [8k\]: не шибко, но пока больше чем у белых )
kukulis4 [2d\]: the competitions is going in kitchen ???
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, like A Scanner Darkly, fo example.
yumeKa [6k\]: не крепко...
jinkidie [16k\]: beats playing in the can.
waffle [5k\]: if i was playing alex i would take this long to think.
mmk [8k\]: сан-сан - это крепко )
Kantid [4k\]: по сравнению с белым так просто крепость
Kristas [11k\]: я тоже думаю так же :)
Adante [1k\]: only the first two boards are in that room I think?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
yumeKa [6k\]: белые могут 2 угла забрать и норм)
Adante [1k\]: I see
Muscadet [?\]: b15 b14 c14 b17
TopRock [8k\]: Alex has a chance... he just need to aim the glare from his forehead to Kim's eyes
fancyfood [1d\]: when is zhang yanqi playing in here?
Xiangqi [4k\]: it should be like roulette. we guess their moves and get like $20 if we happen to guess it right
jinkidie [16k\]: Ofcourse, if they were playing in the can, you could smack a stone down and then flush the urinal for added emphasis
Muscadet [?\]: b16
lepeksiy [-\]: реальной территории у черных очень мало. хотя у белых и вообще нет  :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Yanqi is playing Oh Chimin
Hightway [6k?\]: E16 is very solid move but old move no?(shusaku's kosumi)
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;W[qp]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Good luck, Yanqi!
Hightway [6k?\]: now we prefer F16
kimball [5d?\]: das kostet reichlich punkte harald
jinkidie [16k\]: q3 :)
Xiangqi [4k\]: well there is the unshocking reply
Kristas [11k\]: динера ещё нет у доски
ramborocky [8k\]: wow, thats a suprising move
Xenopus [?\]: no Shusaku in that kosumi
Xiangqi [4k\]: Q9!
xDragon [15k\]: alex takes 5 min to play q3 now
Kantid [4k\]: tenuki is always an option ^_^
zc3k [1k\]: when final?
mmk [8k\]: вот и образовалась у белого крепкая зона. это много. судя потому как долго думает Александр - сен-сан был есо-миру :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: saturday
Eldar [3d\]: Not when your 3-3 gets invaded ;)
mcw85 [7k\]: Final is in two more days.
Aiso [10k\]: александра нету
Aiso [10k\]: он ушёл куда то
mmk [8k\]: ааа
xDragon [15k\]: russian invasion
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;B[pq]C[Aiso [10k\]: пришёл
jinkidie [16k\]: tadaaa
tomason [1d\]: could you people use civilized alphabet?
mcw85 [7k\]: Better than invasion of russia.
yumeKa [6k\]: если белые выиграют сенте получив плотность, то вторгнувшись куда-нить на q-17 всё бут по равну
Xiangqi [4k\]: p3!
lepeksiy [-\]: александр не догло думает, его просто не было
Aiso [10k\]: и опять ушёл
fancyfood [1d\]: rushin' invasion
TopRock [8k\]: eny way the liuve tv thing is extremele cool
mcw85 [7k\]: Tom: Please no silly remarks.
xDragon [15k\]: perfect, benny hill playing
TopRock [8k\]: first time i was on there thx
Aiso [10k\]: оба ушли
sws4: censor them
Kristas [11k\]: ntgthm j,jb[ ytn ^)
Kristas [11k\]: теперь обоих нет )
mmk [8k\]: )))
che [-\]: double hane now
Ruso [6k\]: a huevo ya se lo frego
mmk [8k\]: вы там что-ли ?  или трансляциягде-то ддет ?
lepeksiy [-\]: интересно, что там такого вкусного раздают, что оба сбежали?
ramborocky [8k\]: they both left, the board is unattended
jinkidie [16k\]: mcw has called for seriousness. Roflcopter.
Aiso [10k\]: трансляция идёт
ramborocky [8k\]: what if someone change the layout?!
Kantid [4k\]: трансляция на евроготв
Vilya [3k\]: scream, they might hear you :D
Kantid [4k\]: так что думаю описание происходящего можно опустить
Jadeite [?\]: what layout?
Ruso [6k\]: huy bien cabron ahi mero 
ramborocky [8k\]: of the sttones
chute [2k\]: is there any move here 100% sente ? - with the double hane black could try the sacrifice variation with the low ponnuki perhaps
Muscadet [?\]: wirklich?  hatte einen Tippfehler in meiner Sequenz. b15 b16 ; b14 c14; b17 c 17; b18 - a 16; b9 oder 10 ist sente dachte ich. aber direkt b16 ist wohl wirklich besser
mcw85 [7k\]: Jink: Yeah, sorry for wanting to keep offensive comments away.
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;W[oq]C[zc3k [1k\]: how much for gold medal?
Xiangqi [4k\]: if one of these guys loses later becuase they were short of time in a complicated fight then their pro license ought to be revoked.
jinkidie [16k\]: p2!
Ruso [6k\]: dos bo0letos del metro
fatihsulak [2d\]: white will play for influence or territory? 
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;B[or]
;W[nr]C[soeasy [3d\]: o2
fatihsulak [2d\]: territory finally :-) 
Ruso [6k\]: son relentos
waffle [5k\]: s3 is useful
fatihsulak [2d\]: black may try s4 :-)
Meganoide [2d\]: 02 maybe to get sente
waffle [5k\]: not :P
Meganoide [2d\]: and not for territory
BoGoss [2k\]: s4 ?
mm3 [4d\]: s4
Ruso [6k\]: de poca madre ese movimiento
jinkidie [16k\]: s4 is good. I do it all the time.
Xiangqi [4k\]: I think blacvk will do the o3 line. 
Ruso [6k\]: siyo tambien
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may play s4 or instantly play O3
ramborocky [8k\]: haha, he doesnt know the joseki!!!
fatihsulak [2d\]: if black o3 then white will take sente 
Ruso [6k\]: no ni yo
elligain [9k\]: yes.... O3 here
Nemerid [-\]: s4 works with Q10, but with R10 it is very very dangerous
kimball [5d?\]: b9 oder 10 ist sowieso sente, wenn du so machst wie von dir geplant erscheinen schwarze steine auf c17 und 16, dann wird der weisse wall sehr brüchig
Ruso [6k\]: pero aqui estamos
mmk [8k\]: белый пытается отнять сенте
jinkidie [16k\]: so its like push white or run toconnect, hm.
Kantid [4k\]: и у него получается
Xiangqi [4k\]: I'm calling my shot. o3
Muscadet [?\]: ja stimmt 
Ruso [6k\]: si lo mepuja gana
jinkidie [16k\]: im with o3 too
Xiangqi [4k\]: hmm the 16k agrees... maybe I should reconsider
Ruso [6k\]: setardan unmadral
Xiangqi [4k\]: :-P
jinkidie [16k\]: hmmmm
Oloril [1k\]: definitly tenuki
kukulis4 [2d\]: Eunkuk behaviour a bit disturbing I guess ;)
kimball [5d?\]: wenn w b 16 und c16 muss s ohnehin antworten, w will sich nur noch nicht festlegen, bis die li. untere ecke ausgespielt ist
songha [1k\]: video feed link please
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;B[qk]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: look in our info
Ruso [6k\]: eso fue bien raro
jinkidie [16k\]: whaaaaat
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's always there
ramborocky [8k\]: how about that?!\\
kimball [5d?\]: ha, very interesting move
Xiangqi [4k\]: my oh my
Ruso [6k\]: me cae queno leentiendonimadres
Meganoide [2d\]:  uhm
fancyfood [1d\]: alex pachicked the stone and the clock
jinkidie [16k\]: uh it though ya were nnot supposed to start something by attaching
derp [1k\]: this meant as a probe?
Ruso [6k\]: se pachequeo???
kukulis4 [2d\]: what ???
Shukai [1d\]: what it do?
sws4: a probe for s4?
Xiangqi [4k\]: what a cool move
fancyfood [1d\]: keso?
Kantid [4k\]: so after all it appeared that r3 was a probe?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Nemerid [-\]: because S4 doens't works
xDragon [15k\]: theres the move i called
Meganoide [2d\]: well i will learn something new now
Ruso [6k\]: si bien fresco
Hightway [6k?\]: a move for R12 stability no?
Nemerid [-\]: so he try something to make it works
Shukai [1d\]: R11?
kukulis4 [2d\]: R9 a pro move indeed
Ruso [6k\]: ya era hora de algo interesante
Ruso [6k\]: ya se la puso bien dura
Hightway [6k?\]: R11 is that Black want
kukulis4 [2d\]: ah,  after white answers R9, black will know whenether to play S4 or O3
Ruso [6k\]: lo va a empinar en corto
kimball [5d?\]: i wonder how r 9 is related to the corner
Xiangqi [4k\]: sweet
kimball [5d?\]: secret korean invention perhaps
falco: i think wil be o3 regardless of how white answers
kukulis4 [2d\]: It is related to corner to chosse between  s4 and O3
fancyfood [1d\]: 5p
falco: r9 aji is a lot
Kantid [4k\]: i thougt w is korean
MoonCrash [5k\]: could split w if w not careful. 
jinkidie [16k\]: the relation between r9 and the corner is cear and simple. It's about 8 spaces away.
Nemerid [-\]: black doesn't want to play O3, but with R10, S4 doesn't work, so he is trying something
Ruso [6k\]: juegan bien pinche rarito
Terminator [7k\]: Rusito, si no vas a decir nada importante, mejor no dices nada
zc3k [1k\]: w chance?
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;W[rj]C[Terminator [7k\]: no uses malas palabras, por favor
tsuchigumo [-\]: This is a probe imo
falco: nemerid, why doesnt black want to play o3?
waffle [5k\]: very nice response.
falco: it seems ok
jinkidie [16k\]: so r9 is analogous to a ladder breaker/
Meganoide [2d\]:  b made the obvious move
kukulis4 [2d\]: now black will play s4
Meganoide [2d\]: let's see w plain
Nemerid [-\]: now S4
falco: disagree, i think black will play o3 still
Tsumugari [4k\]: black is very greedy
magners [2k\]: did r9 destroy future posibilities too much?, s10 seems so solid
Nemerid [-\]: faclo : you are wrong
Mukti [4d\]: Locally this costs b a lot - I do not see black's plan yet - This must be a high level new move....interesting
Tsumugari [4k\]: just reduce 
Tsumugari [4k\]: why invade
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;B[rp]
;W[ro]C[monk316 [1k\]: w is just going to o4 now
Nemerid [-\]: faclo if blakc P3, R9 is a very bad move
Tsumugari [4k\]: when we lead 
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;B[qo]
;W[op]C[waffle [5k\]: omg they actually mae fast moves
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;B[rn]
;W[rq]
;B[so]
;W[rr]C[Kantid [4k\]: ha!
Xiangqi [4k\]: holy fijoles
Ruso [6k\]: deja divertirme
mcw85 [7k\]: Nice.
Ruso [6k\]: nadiedicenada interasante
waffle [5k\]: exchange!
ColdFront [4k\]: ...
Ruso [6k\]: se tardan unbuen en jugar esoes todo
kukulis4 [2d\]: not a real exchange
waffle [5k\]: good point.
kukulis4 [2d\]: just a sacrifice
Tsumugari [4k\]: o6
falco: dont see why this is best option.. :(
waffle [5k\]: let's just consider it an exchange for white's sake!
kukulis4 [2d\]: what white move should be after R9, to force black choose O3 instead of S4 ?
Mukti [4d\]: The prior black exchange now looks dubious to me....
gnegne [4k\]: dinerchtein win his last game?
mcw85 [7k\]: Y
Porkypine [8k\]: yes
Meganoide [2d\]: agreed mukti
gnegne [4k\]: ok thanks
falco: doesnt o3 give black sente?
waffle [5k\]: eventually eurogotv will fall asleep when they stop making moves for an hour
monk316 [1k\]: i think this exchange was good for b
deft [3d\]: at the moment W has no territory except lower right
Ruso [6k\]: ese final era  100% predecible
falco: now this seems gote..
MoonCrash [5k\]: b happy, invasion diced w's influence
gogomen [6k\]: and senta
falco: surrounded by stronger white stones than before
Kantid [4k\]: q9 q10 o8 ?
chute [2k\]: in the o3 variation white would probably have played p4 n2 p5 atari and then tenuki
jinkidie [16k\]: so black will lose 3 stones for one I assume?
Xiangqi [4k\]: haha
MoonCrash [5k\]: w was already strong those 3 stones meaniningless
dmwit [2k\]: Yes, black will lose those three, but black gets much more than just one stone out of it.
waffle [5k\]: black needs to kill the wall
jinkidie [16k\]: an the ponnuki higly influntial right?
waffle [5k\]: not kill as in killi
waffle [5k\]: but destroy it's purpose.
deft [3d\]: it doesn't have a lot of purpose at the moment
MoonCrash [5k\]: wall serves its purpose just by being there
deft [3d\]: all B groups are stable
deft [3d\]: only problem is L17
falco: ?
jinkidie [16k\]: I've been sitting here wonder what would happen if w g12 or so to provoke a fight in front of the wall. Ignored i guess
Xiangqi [4k\]: so B has sente here?
falco: confusing, maybe too high level for me
gius [3k?\]: sente? black can tenuki?
falco: dont think black can tenuki without wanting to cry
Hanne [3k\]: NICE 3-3 YOSEKI IMO
Xiangqi [4k\]: of course he's got a lot better judment of these things than we do
kukulis4 [2d\]: jinkidie: white G12 doesnt provoke a fight ;)
MoonCrash [5k\]: g12 could compress w, waste wall
dmwit [2k\]: Just noticed that the board is rotated from the video.  My brain is not rotation-invariant. =P
MoonCrash [5k\]: bs point of view
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be black lives as he stands ?
che [-\]: g12  bull****
mcw85 [7k\]: The board is oriented correctly.
jinkidie [16k\]: interesting thing to say moon. let me think about that.
dmwit [2k\]: mcw85: I don't doubt it.
Terminator [7k\]: B P6? or P8?
Hanne [3k\]: dmwit, just tilt your head in a right angle
Xiangqi [4k\]: the only move he seems to need to live is s7 and white playing there doesnt look scary
MoonCrash [5k\]: i mean that w shouldn't g12 not that b should
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: put your monitor on the side
RLrogue [?\]: k3
monk316 [1k\]: just turn you monitor upside down
che [-\]: board rotated 90°
che [-\]: no
Terminator [7k\]: Why S7 when B can extend?
che [-\]: yes+
Hanne [3k\]: someone with lots of time do a rotated clone of this please
MoonCrash [5k\]: b protect upper right now
Xiangqi [4k\]: im just saying if white shuts that group in i think s7 is enough to live
MoonCrash [5k\]: otherwise imminent w invasion
Xiangqi [4k\]: so based on that amybe black has a big sente here
GuitarHero [12k?\]: S9?
waffle [5k\]: i don't think life is the problem
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the game is correct notated from black's point of view as it should be
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: camera has the wrong angle
waffle [5k\]: i think black's thinking of keeping white weak by 
dmwit [2k\]: I know, I know, it just surprised me. =)
waffle [5k\]: s9
dmwit [2k\]: Sorry if it sounded like a complaint.
GuitarHero [12k?\]: yeah, black shopuld live then
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
jinkidie [16k\]: ah yes! I see what u mean, moon. about silly g12
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV1 doesn't take kindly to criticisms, I tried to protect you from his wrath!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am sittig under the camera so i have to adjust every move
jinkidie [16k\]: it would be like starting a wall in fron of a perfectly good walll
chute [2k\]: no -s9 q9 a very strong shape
MoonCrash [5k\]: right
Gizensha [?\]: w seems tired
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: alert
Kirigo: time
Kirigo: ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Yanqi!
fancyfood [1d\]: tell her good luck from her fans on kgs!!
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;B[pm]C[jinkidie [16k\]: sensible
Xiangqi [4k\]: hmmm interesting
MoonCrash [5k\]: whos yanqi on kgs?
Cassis0 [5d\]: you should hear her name prononced in chinese, its terrifying
GuitarHero [12k?\]: a bit of influence as well?
GuitarHero [12k?\]: q7
sws4: now white should attack with R14?
GuitarHero [12k?\]: l17
GuitarHero [12k?\]: L17
jinkidie [16k\]: this is gonna be a long wait i bet
elligain [9k\]: thanks
kukulis4 [2d\]: white r10 stones becomes weak
mcw85 [7k\]: 1:55 1:49
jinkidie [16k\]: 1:48 1:55
Xiangqi [4k\]: I dont think white should attack in a way that hurts r10 myself
CatoMajor [2k\]: Hmm, this looks hard for white, but what do stronger players think?
MoonCrash [5k\]: r 14  maybe . or q16, or r15
RLrogue [?\]: b16
kukulis4 [2d\]: white must fight here first
jinkidie [16k\]: well... harrumph... :)
Terminator [7k\]: I think P12
MoonCrash [5k\]: m17
MoonCrash [5k\]: q14
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be white s8 would strengthen the white stones
CatoMajor [2k\]: But the game in general?
hylie [4d\]: Go Dinerstein!
Tsumugari [4k\]: s16 now
Tsumugari [4k\]: no ?
gogonuts [4d\]: i think p3 and o2 werent so good
gogonuts [4d\]: r9 was a fine counter
Terminator [7k\]: maybe o9 first , then P12 or P13
goal3k [2d?\]: seems, dinerchtein is not the tallest
KlerChazal [-\]: lol
hylie [4d\]: If you were Eunkuk, what would you do?
Craw [?\]: no wonder he fitted in well in Korea
jinkidie [16k\]: is there something bigger than s8 tho? 
mcw85 [7k\]: I would wave my fan.
goal3k [2d?\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: the real problem for w is that his own group on the right has gotten a little weak, so he cant invade at the top with full fury
KlerChazal [-\]: i'd play a move around my 3 stones.
Xiangqi [4k\]: s8 makes some sense
Timi [8k\]: could i have the eurogoTv1 link
Terminator [7k\]: o9 then?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: link is in info
Draak [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
hylie [4d\]: W is in a difficult spot.
MoonCrash [5k\]: i want w to dive in, get dirty
gogonuts [4d\]: w will have to invade the top now
MoonCrash [5k\]: b territory too easy
hylie [4d\]: i say reduce the black moyo
Timi [8k\]: Thanks
Xiangqi [4k\]: black is just having his way with white IMO
jinkidie [16k\]: I simply cannot begin to tell the size of s8. Anyone care to estimate?
gogonuts [4d\]: r14 played
monk316 [1k\]: w has one corner, one big wall with holes, and one little wall needing to run
mcw85 [7k\]: r14
kukulis4 [2d\]: eurogo
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;W[qf]C[Kirigo: bigggggggght now
gogonuts [4d\]: but he had to choose the softest invasion
wintogo [7d\]: L 17
sws4: yoo☺
mcw85 [7k\]: He placed it with emphasis.
Xiangqi [4k\]: wow so r14 is the move after all
Eldar [3d\]: it's very large
Kirigo: here comes the fight
elligain [9k\]: but i dont understand
Eldar [3d\]: imagine B with a stone at P12
sws4: now territory on second line is almost finished, dinerchtein must find a way to play on 3rd line too..
gogonuts [4d\]: if w cannot get to L17 in a natural way b is good
elligain [9k\]: even if w successed his invasion
Eldar [3d\]: yes
elligain [9k\]: all the top will be for b
Eldar [3d\]: B has played actively so far
Eldar [3d\]: need to get sente to play on the top side
gogonuts [4d\]: how about b J15 now - leasurely reduce the center
elligain [9k\]: yes
Xiangqi [4k\]: working those angles. 
wintogo [7d\]: P 16?
gogonuts [4d\]: p16 is possible
wintogo [7d\]: or Q 11?
Xiangqi [4k\]: p16 is awesome
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont think so
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;B[oh]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gogonuts [4d\]: i mean i didnt think q11
wintogo [7d\]: yeah
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: How come the image at EurogoTV looks better than EurogoTV-US?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: short distance :P
Terminator [7k\]: because
magners [2k\]: different equipment?
mcw85 [7k\]: ifferent cameras.
dmwit [2k\]: EurogoTV-US is just a different camera in a different place.
chute [2k\]: now q11 probably on s12
dmwit [2k\]: i.e. a wholel different country!
goal3k [2d?\]: isnt that worse for w now
chute [2k\]: another use of r9
maxp73 [3d\]: strange move
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, now that its played p12 looks good - because of the q11 option
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: whole different continent
mcw85 [7k\]: White jumps then B p16?
MoonCrash [5k\]: Q17?
mcw85 [7k\]: Video quality is well known to be better in Europe. Has to do with the earth's magnetic field being sightly weaker in Europe then in the US.
oddalot [7k\]: zing
kukulis4 [2d\]: It looks that Eunkuk Kim personality makes a big perssure on opponents; Alexandre sand up again ;)
Kirigo: corner now?
gogonuts [4d\]: w dodge to r17?
Terminator [7k\]: best quality is in the Anctartic
kukulis4 [2d\]: stand*
fghtgy: how ist the players
fghtgy: ?
Gary34 [4k?\]: alexandre must feel comfortable, for now 
mefisto [4k\]: lol
Kantid [4k\]: until w's next move?
jinkidie [16k\]: r17 is a lotta of irons in the fire aint it
Terminator [7k\]: PanguinGoTV is the best
mcw85 [7k\]: I love panguins... -_-
Xiangqi [4k\]: o3 is 2 large ko threats for later too.  
Terminator [7k\]: haha
SergeyASh [12k\]: s12 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: r17 is actually a safe move
Terminator [7k\]: Q16 is the coolest move
gogonuts [4d\]: it make miai of taking the corner and strengthening r14
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
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;W[rh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b will surely peep now
SergeyASh [12k\]: )
Terminator [7k\]: isnt peep like aji-keshi?
wintogo [7d\]: if like this
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;B[pi]C[gogonuts [4d\]: but b is checking for traps first, because q11 was so obvious
Xiangqi [4k\]: yep B is a peeper
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;W[qg]C[gogonuts [4d\]: great for b i think
]
;B[pj]C[Terminator [7k\]: oh
wintogo [7d\]: black should have played 
kukulis4 [2d\]: R9 stone comes to play ;)
Xiangqi [4k\]: but now the upper right looks pretty weak
wintogo [7d\]: Q  11 first?
Asaliuru [20k\]: b is evil
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
fghtgy: what's name of thr players?
gogomen [6k\]: ?
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont think so - ofcourse q11 first prevents the connection, but cutting of p10 is valuable and peeping is a loss in itself
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Terminator [7k\]: read the names up there
Xiangqi [4k\]: the names are above the time left
yumeKa [6k\]: omg ...omg
bolb [-\]: fghtgy : just read them
jinkidie [16k\]: I am now sending telepathic moves to Breakfast
Terminator [7k\]: 16k moves/?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: stop it jinkodie, i want him to win
Terminator [7k\]: you gonna make him lose
jinkidie [16k\]: telepathological moves actually
gogonuts [4d\]: w is making the game smaller in scale, but that is bad for his wall
kukulis4 [2d\]: white cut at Q9 is not good ?
Xiangqi [4k\]: black's game looks really impressive.  I wonder what white has planned.
kukulis4 [2d\]: black is a pro after all ..
Asaliuru [20k\]: who is breakfast ??
mperahia [4k\]: dinerchtein
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;W[rk]C[gogonuts [4d\]: from r3 on things went grat for b
olive61 [6k\]: it's the morning meal :)
Terminator [7k\]: cafe au lait avec croissants
dutch2dan [?\]: r17 maybe for w?
gogonuts [4d\]: great
Asaliuru [20k\]: lol
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: avoiding b sente at s9
mini [4d\]: is r8 just too simple?
mcw85 [7k\]: R8 honte?
Terminator [7k\]: simple is good
MoonCrash [5k\]: w satisfied but not happy
Kirigo: j15 
Spaghetti [6k\]: what's honte?
mini [4d\]: honte is honest play
Xiangqi [4k\]: r8 if it isn't REALLY needed is lame
gogonuts [4d\]: this s 9 leave a w peep after b r8
jinkidie [16k\]: s9 loses. Reason: the 16k has been thinking it was good for ten moves now.
Spaghetti [6k\]: thank you
mcw85 [7k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?honte
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Honte
Gresil [-\]: honte is not honest.
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;B[re]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lol
monk316 [1k\]: whoa, w is in first place in the current standings
kukulis4 [2d\]: black keeps his amashi style
gogonuts [4d\]: very tough answer
jinkidie [16k\]: how did that happen?
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;W[qi]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: i think p14 more actually for w. Attack b moyo. IMHO
Terminator [7k\]: honte is like spaghetti with red wine
Spaghetti [6k\]: ahhh great, thanks
kukulis4 [2d\]: black Q9
Terminator [7k\]: the proper move
MoonCrash [5k\]: ice cream with mustard
gogonuts [4d\]: now i understand honte better
Terminator [7k\]: :-)
mcw85 [7k\]: I wish kgs had a feature that whenever certain words are used like honte you can click on them to be linked to the senseis page.
Asaliuru [20k\]: kill !
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;B[pk]C[Gresil [-\]: honte is like eating the spaghetti instead of braiding it into a cable.
gogonuts [4d\]: things still going well for b
mini [4d\]: white getting to capture is a pretty big deal
Goleath [2k\]: Q9 is honte :)
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;W[bc]
;B[bf]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not so, the b wall is a big deal
kukulis4 [2d\]: black read the B14 20 moves ago ;)
Eldar [3d\]: meh
Eldar [3d\]: this is clearly alive
gogonuts [4d\]: w was unable to punish bs profit grabbing
mini [4d\]: b4
mperahia [4k\]: now attacxk in l17 area?
jinkidie [16k\]: w is in 3 little clusters. b is too... with six stones outside them as well
Xiangqi [4k\]: score estimator not giving White any love
Eldar [3d\]: L17 is more risky now
kukulis4 [2d\]: wasnt white B16 better than white B17 ?
Eldar [3d\]: bad shape
Terminator [7k\]: what little clusters? B is way bigger
MoonCrash [5k\]: w j3?
Lebron [?\]: better than good shape and dying
gogonuts [4d\]: b would respond at b15 and w would have to play there again
mcw85 [7k\]: Random question: On the wall list, why is there a zero after b or w? What does the digit signify?
mm3 [4d\]: m17
SergeyASh [12k\]: l17 ?
jinkidie [16k\]: term, what makes b bigger is the 6 free stones
jinkidie [16k\]: if the clusters are even then B is 6 stones ahead
wintogo [7d\]: B 4?
gogonuts [4d\]: b8 is sente, i wonder what the implications are for the bottom
JoostC [3d\]: If white m17 black L16?
wintogo [7d\]: B 4?
mini [4d\]: yes, i like b4
wintogo [7d\]: oh, you like
mini [4d\]: yes i like
gogonuts [4d\]: chance of c3 instead
ExplO [2d\]: it's the handicap, mcw85
MoonCrash [5k\]: i like b 4 too :)
mcw85 [7k\]: Ahh.
kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah, me too ;)
Xiangqi [4k\]: I like whatever Wintogo likes
kukulis4 [2d\]: anybody more, likes b4 ? ;)
mcw85 [7k\]: Makes sense for it to always be 0 in an even tournament.
wintogo [7d\]: b4 then C4 or C 3
Xiangqi [4k\]: at least more than what I would come up with
dmwit [2k\]: Well, personally, I think b4 is absolute rubbish.
wintogo [7d\]: then H3
SergeyASh [12k\]: q16 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: its not, its very normal
jinkidie [16k\]: h3 much too timid
mcw85 [7k\]: ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be instantly h3 is good also ?
gogonuts [4d\]: h3 not useful enough, now that b is in the center also
jinkidie [16k\]: omg i just lectured a 7d
Xiangqi [4k\]: c3!
Terminator [7k\]: ?
mcw85 [7k\]: H3 for W
jinkidie [16k\]: ah
kukulis4 [2d\]: black leading already ?
Oloril [1k\]: as we all know bigger numbers are better, and 16 is WAY bigger than 7
wintogo [7d\]: if H3 first, black go C5
gogonuts [4d\]: for now i feel b is ahead
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Lol oloril
Xiangqi [4k\]: yeah maybe he's only a kyu
Xiangqi [4k\]: but at least he has 16 of em
Xiangqi [4k\]: you only got 7 dans
jinkidie [16k\]: so winningsrat is to fill the 19 line, olorii?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: depends on the trade parity
gogonuts [4d\]: the fine play of r9 put b in a good position
kukulis4 [2d\]: Eunkuk is looking around M17 very intensively
jinkidie [16k\]: stones on th 19 line are surely worth 19 times what stones on the 1 line are worth
wintogo [7d\]: black has to pay 7 point 
gogonuts [4d\]: he has to be worried about the top after b s15
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Wintogo: if b c5 is 3x3 invasion possible?
monk316 [1k\]: tough move for w
wintogo [7d\]: yes
Terminator [7k\]: of course T19 is bigger than T1
gogonuts [4d\]: one more b move at the top could take the territory
qgo [4k\]: Eunkuk future Pro ?
wintogo [7d\]: but white is not good
mcw85 [7k\]: AGTV1: Do you know if Chi-Minh is still undefeated in rapid tourney?
mini [4d\]: looks too old
SergeyASh [12k\]: c6 or b7 better c3 IMHO. Or may be b6. Two threats. But my level too low for b6. Dont know - can it play?
Fenix [2d\]: c4?
gogonuts [4d\]: kukulis, i think you got it with m17
wintogo [7d\]: i guess, white goes C 4 area first then h3
Fenix [2d\]: agreed^^
wintogo [7d\]: this is my scenario
Xiangqi [4k\]: yeah wintogo... thats just what i was saying to myself
wintogo [7d\]: but Black will move against the scenario
Chryssie [6k\]: Why C4 area first? doesn't w have to make use of his wall with an invasion at the top?
kukulis4 [2d\]: how old is Eunkuk Kim ?
bobstep [2k?\]: can w play b9 before c4 area?
SergeyASh [12k\]: w c5 c4 b7 seems good. IMHO
Fenix [2d\]: hard to not fall sleep while waiting for next move
Xiangqi [4k\]: it better be somethig really good and hard to see.
wintogo [7d\]: because B5 is so good for black
wintogo [7d\]: no
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I like H3
Fenix [2d\]: is b5 better than c5?
Chryssie [6k\]: ok
wintogo [7d\]: C 5 is so good for black
mini [4d\]: it must be either a move like b4 or in the invasion area of l17; what other area of interest is there?
wintogo [7d\]: not b5
Fenix [2d\]: ok
wintogo [7d\]: i typed wrong
kukulis4 [2d\]: wintogo: if black wants to block the corner, whitch move is better c5 or b5 ?
Kirigo: m17 ,?
soeasy [3d\]: b4
Goatliness [5k\]: Is B9 sente against C10 group before C5?
kukulis4 [2d\]: b4 is when white has stone at c6
high5 [1d\]: i usually play b4
soeasy [3d\]: w will invade through b4
wintogo [7d\]: if L 17, black will atack by K 16
jinkidie [16k\]: so many good moves
soeasy [3d\]: w probably will k16 i guess , if w were to attack top
mini [4d\]: k16 doesn't look right
Terminator [7k\]: now W plays K9
jinkidie [16k\]: *choke* k16?
high5 [1d\]: if j17 was l17 it would be perfect
Terminator [7k\]: W needs a ear reddening move
Asaliuru [20k\]: KILL !!!
wysek [1k\]: video feed only from this game?
mcw85 [7k\]: Y
SergeyASh [12k\]: me like q16 
high5 [1d\]: something like l16 maybe
wintogo [7d\]: so the restult of this fighting is not guaranteed for white
kukulis4 [2d\]: nobody will make points in center
jinkidie [16k\]: stand by... consulting butterbot...
kukulis4 [2d\]: one wall opposing other
kukulis4 [2d\]: so is a good idea for white to make thickness on top ?
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV: time when you have a moment?
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be it is still possible to make points in center ?
mini [4d\]: no; thickness at top can't be meaningful with black having p10
wintogo [7d\]: Later, Black may come C5 as a sente to attack the left white groupe
bobstep [2k?\]: goatliness, that was my question earlier, but wintogo didn't like it
SergeyASh [12k\]: for example - q16 q17 p16 p17 o14.  
jinkidie [16k\]: w g9
wintogo [7d\]: then black will go to J 3
ramborocky [8k\]: can white make a move now?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if you play moves like g9 you will reach the end of the game and wonder why you have no points
Xiangqi [4k\]: wintogo is no fun. he only likes really good moves. not the ones we like.
IGoofy [1d\]: pop gave the proper comment
jinkidie [16k\]: points will come north of g9
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i don't think they will :>
kukulis4 [2d\]: if white K16, L16, M16, and then play B4 ?
jinkidie [16k\]: yer probly right
Warfreak2 [5d\]: remember
mcw85 [7k\]: "I recycle girls" shirt.
Warfreak2 [5d\]: corners, then sides, then centre
Warfreak2 [5d\]: bottom side is quite large at the moment
wintogo [7d\]: No, kukulis
kukulis4 [2d\]: b+t
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;W[kc]C[Terminator [7k\]: so is B4 or M17
climbtrees [6k\]: so how can w capitalize on the bottom?
mini [4d\]: finally
Terminator [7k\]: oh
mcw85 [7k\]: Doesn't seem happy with the move.
Kirigo: yyeah my moove
wintogo [7d\]: oh, he goes L 17
Terminator [7k\]: why not M17?
tontonken [7k\]: invasioN!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go kim
tontonken [7k\]: and somewhat of a pincer
wintogo [7d\]: M 17 is not strong
mini [4d\]: but what is w followup after k16?
MoonCrash [5k\]: closer to other w helping stones?
Kirigo: he has to finish sente; then corner
wintogo [7d\]: white wants to attack the black stone (J 17)
MoonCrash [5k\]: m17 too much leeway for j17?
kukulis4 [2d\]: I am going for the lunch, anyway next black move commes after half hour ;)
wintogo [7d\]: yes mooncrash
MoonCrash [5k\]: :D
Terminator [7k\]: i think we have time to make a sandwich
jinkidie [16k\]: yay sammiches! MacDonald's! Peace for you all!
wintogo [7d\]: white can attach at N 17 any time to be safe
MoonCrash [5k\]: so k16 now?
mini [4d\]: any other move but k16 looks slack
wintogo [7d\]: bring one Big Mc here, please!!!
Draak [1d\]: j15 also slack?
sensemaker [4d\]: Go Alex !!
MoonCrash [5k\]: i want them both to win
Kirigo: k15 ?
mini [4d\]: i can bet good money that both will not win.
wysek [1k\]: how could black had his stones on the left surrounded
OnTheWay [7k\]: both will win for sure
mini [4d\]: by multiple tenuki of course
wysek [1k\]: I think it's a bad result and black didn't get enough compensation
wysek [1k\]: what do u think?
OnTheWay [7k\]: one the game and the other one at least some experience
mini [4d\]: or maybe it was just 1 tenuki, but anyways tenuki
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I would F17 here
Draak [1d\]: f17?
qgo [4k\]: c 9 was strong move
mcw85 [7k\]: I woud just k16, f17 not good, in my opinion.
Orc [4d\]: K16 nxt move?
Draak [1d\]: i would j15
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;B[jd]C[tontonken [7k\]: j15 leaves it open
qgo [4k\]: ok Orc !
wintogo [7d\]: yes, J15 is slack and it is difficult to make territory in the middle area for white
Draak [1d\]: ok
Terminator [7k\]: O16?
Orc [4d\]: blk has to attack here, live locally is just too passive and hard
MoonCrash [5k\]: n 16?
tontonken [7k\]: white respond with m16 and then struggle for life?
wintogo [7d\]: O 16 is a good move
qgo [4k\]: n 17 ?
zyklop [1d\]: w m15
mini [4d\]: m16 is too slow
SergeyASh [12k\]: q16? )
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV, time?
Terminator [7k\]: O16 i learn from GuoJuan lectures
Orc [4d\]: M15
Draak [1d\]: m15 looks nice
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;W[pc]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: ups. 8-|
wintogo [7d\]: n 17 is also good move
MoonCrash [5k\]: so w lives underneath..
MoonCrash [5k\]: maybe?
zyklop [1d\]: i am very curious, this kind of situations appear often in my games
mini [4d\]: q16 p17 p16 o18 n18 n17 o16 m18 p18 is feasible sequence?
tonyp [3d\]: doesn't w risk living on the second line and give B huge central influence?
mcw85 [7k\]: 1:22, 1:33, 1:23 1:32 
wintogo [7d\]: but this fight is not guarantted for white to go B4 or H 3
mcw85 [7k\]: One of those times for either player.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 1.32  W 1.22
wysek [1k\]: mini: how about q16 p17 o16 ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks, haha.
mini [4d\]: i thought about o16 but the p16 cut just has too much bad feelings
tontonken [7k\]: this is good.....
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;B[qc]C[tontonken [7k\]: black lost a chunk of potential territory
mini [4d\]: looks timid..
Orc [4d\]: O16 then cross cut?
zyklop [1d\]: w is strong on the left so b´s central influence may not be very wothy
Kirigo: n17 ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: p17 o16 o18?
qgo [4k\]: now b getting behind
OnTheWay [7k\]: b will lose
wysek [1k\]: B trying to get white into the center to use his wall
zyklop [1d\]: tough game now
gaoyakun [4d\]: who is stronger? b or w ?
wysek [1k\]: time will tell:)
tontonken [7k\]: b i think.
zyklop [1d\]: we wiil see
OnTheWay [7k\]: white
wintogo [7d\]: if O 16, black plays N 17
MoonCrash [5k\]: seems w gutting b;s territory , and is happy with r 17
HandA [1k\]: Alex leave again...
valparaiso [2k\]: can you show time left please?
wysek [1k\]: W m15?
mcw85 [7k\]: 1:22 1:32
mini [4d\]: wintogo, what is best w move here? n17?
wintogo [7d\]: then L 16
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
mcw85 [7k\]: A little less now.
nyri [4k\]: How about Q16
tontonken [7k\]: q16 for a little seperating :P
Q161 [13k?\]: ^_^
wysek [1k\]: m15 l15 m14 
gaoyakun [4d\]: N17 i think
wintogo [7d\]: if Q 16, Q 15
wysek [1k\]: sorry, m15 l16 m16 
qgo [4k\]: p 17 ?
zyklop [1d\]: w n16?
gaoyakun [4d\]: what about N17?
nyri [4k\]: W Q16, Q16, R15, P15. Bad for white?
zyklop [1d\]: n17 maybe slow
wintogo [7d\]: P 17? , black O 16
SergeyASh [12k\]: q17 seems me not so fast as q16. May be there some threat what i am not see? Somebody can comment?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: q17 is kikashi
mm3 [4d\]: r18 s18 o16
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's not an important stone in itself
Warfreak2 [5d\]: but neither is the r17 stone
wintogo [7d\]: White  shold care of L 17
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's just an exchange so that white has a stone, presumably somewhere he thinks is beneficial
Warfreak2 [5d\]: l17 is the important stone, right
Xiangqi [4k\]: so is white really getting somewhere ?
pmrktp: o18?
Manudu92 [2k\]: can we see the game of catalin on eurogotv?
wysek [1k\]: if l17 is so important then n17 seems good
Warfreak2 [5d\]: l17 is important because it splits j17
Warfreak2 [5d\]: live locally defeats the purpose
Ninjan [6k\]: eunkuk just died
SergeyASh [12k\]: p18 ?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: white wants to escape and fight
MoonCrash [5k\]: o14?
MoonCrash [5k\]: 15**
wintogo [7d\]: the purpose of white is to attack J 17
Xiangqi [4k\]: no ownder i always lose with white.
Xiangqi [4k\]: i never attack j17
Fenix [2d\]: so n17 next?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: yeah, common mistake, xiangqi
Xiangqi [4k\]: :-(
Orc [4d\]: I will choose between M16 and M15
Warfreak2 [5d\]: typical 1d mistake is not to attack a stone at j17
Fenix [2d\]: m16 looks slow, no?
wysek [1k\]: m16 is escaping not attacking:)
MoonCrash [5k\]: n16?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: m15 is not attacking
MoonCrash [5k\]: sort of attack, escape combo
Orc [4d\]: white is not strong enough here to attack
wysek [1k\]: but does neither of them :P
Fenix [2d\]: n17 makes w stronger
SergeyASh [12k\]: if w q16 then w m16 will and attack also )
Xiangqi [4k\]: right now it's 2 attacking 6
SergeyASh [12k\]: IMHO
Orc [4d\]: escape first, attach later
gaoyakun [4d\]: n17 or n16 is the way to go, i think
wintogo [7d\]: yes N 17  or O 16
pony16 [11k\]: what about k4?
nyri [4k\]: It's L16
Xiangqi [4k\]: not urgent.
wintogo [7d\]: N 17 is a good move
Fenix [2d\]: o16? seems bad for w no?
IGoofy [1d\]: typical 7d error is not to play l16
rbw: L16 was played
fancyfood [1d\]: l16
Draak [1d\]: euro fell asleep
fancyfood [1d\]: dag nabbit
Elandal [3k\]: Alex is still somewhere spectating.
Draak [1d\]: quicky bring hi expresso
gaoyakun [4d\]: L16? no i think.  k14 is good for black
Hanne [3k\]: hard game for w, no?
elligain [9k\]: yes....
Elandal [3k\]: white played L16, just transcriber not awake.
Shock1989 [2d?\]: Euro where are you? ;)
IGoofy [1d\]: typival 4d error is not knowing which move it is
just9x9 [-\]: i'd play l16 now
Draak [1d\]: :p
tontonken [7k\]: yo euro!
Shock1989 [2d?\]: you awesome =\\
tontonken [7k\]: white played a move you know
Hanne [3k\]: w has not much of a plan except attack j17
Hanne [3k\]: ... which will escape easily
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am here
Boogeyman [3k\]: l16 press
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;W[kd]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: w played L16
tontonken [7k\]: lol
Elandal [3k\]: So now we can talk about the typical 7d, 4d, and 1d mistakes regarding next move :)
fatihsulak [2d\]: lol
mcw85 [7k\]: I would hane.
wintogo [7d\]: L 16 is ok
Terminator [7k\]: typical kgs-1d error is to think :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: q16
Fenix [2d\]: w is making funny faces on the video ^^
Orc [4d\]: K14 next
wintogo [7d\]: to attack the two stones
MoonCrash [5k\]: L15?
MoonCrash [5k\]: for b
wintogo [7d\]: K 14
Terminator [7k\]: no, K14
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;B[ke]C[Terminator [7k\]: haha
tontonken [7k\]: cut?
SergeyASh [12k\]: w threat seems weak without q16 stone (
fatihsulak [2d\]: they are playing like 5k lol 
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;W[md]C[wintogo [7d\]: N 16
Terminator [7k\]: when pros follow kibitz, something is wrong
chute [2k\]: no - they choose the most severe moves
Elandal [3k\]: I like the way alex plays his moves. Think first, then get a stone and play it. Instead of playing with the stones while thinking :)
Fenix [2d\]: M15?
Fenix [2d\]: for b
wintogo [7d\]: i think K 14 is better than L 15
MoonCrash [5k\]: b have to p16?
huggy [3k\]: players can prob read kibitz and steal ideas
just9x9 [-\]: that avoidsa misclicks elandal :))
tontonken [7k\]: o16?
holynec [?\]: *promotes wintogo to 1p*
Fenix [2d\]: hm or what about b K14 now?
Fenix [2d\]: to fix position
Terminator [7k\]: you mean MoonCrash to 1p and wintogo to 5k:-)
SergeyASh [12k\]: b p16 seems good. ?
wintogo [7d\]: even now K 14 is ok
MoonCrash [5k\]: i'd trust wintogo :)
Terminator [7k\]: ands givwe up O17?
wintogo [7d\]: oh, really?
Shock1989 [2d?\]: lol
wintogo [7d\]: who can promote me to 1P?
wintogo [7d\]: haha
gogonuts [4d\]: if not n17 now L15 didnt make sense
Fenix [2d\]: but, what after w cuts k15, gogonuts?
tontonken [7k\]: if i ever become a pro i'll remember to get up and wander around every few moves
gogonuts [4d\]: shouldve thaought about that before :-)
Fenix [2d\]: ^^'
MoonCrash [5k\]: i'll always bring fan
gogonuts [4d\]: notice, i didnt say b must play n17 now
MoonCrash [5k\]: seems to work for w
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;B[mc]C[Fenix [2d\]: diner is trying to find a fitting trick play :-s
Fenix [2d\]: oh
DERM [3k\]: выпар
BenSenTen [?\]: m15?
Kirigo: simplest, calm
Elandal [3k\]: The video is delayed by several seconds it seems. Or the transcriber is telepathic.
Terminator [7k\]: im eating some crakers with rochefort cheese
Fenix [2d\]: :-{::...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am telepathic
Shock1989 [2d?\]: ;))
Prodigious [5d?\]: It's a good skill to have
ColdFront [4k\]: I think he is a witch, burn him!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is so boring to play poker for me
MoonCrash [5k\]: play us out the next dozen moves then euro :B
Draak [1d\]: heheh
Mope: may be black, it was better to play in M15, to build the density of the center 
kukulis4 [2d\]: what poker ?
Terminator [7k\]: i come from the future, i told him the moves
Elandal [3k\]: A telepath can't play further than the player has already decided, MoonCrash :)
MoonCrash [5k\]: oh! makes sense
tontonken [7k\]: euro, the exposure :O
kukulis4 [2d\]: can future view help playing go ?
gogonuts [4d\]: this is tough, m^15 and k15 both make sense
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a bit
pers [1d\]: W attack will give big profi in future
gogonuts [4d\]: i must be tough forseeing ones own loss
pers [1d\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: mwah, i ahve enough practice with that
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: isince i lose more then i win
Wirtuoosi [3d\]: well then you can resign without making those desperation moves
kukulis4 [2d\]: if you see the move, that will be done by opponent, and after that change your moves to fight that move, then opponent surrely will not play that move
lose100 [1d\]: looks like pop is wearing a pair of diner's pants
BenSenTen [?\]: k15 would lead to fight immediately
Mope: Black is likely to fall 
gogonuts [4d\]: ofcourse diner is wearing diner pants
pers [1d\]: B would win by resignation :-)
Mope: too many weaknesses
gogonuts [4d\]: oops, missread, sry
BenSenTen [?\]: just because b is 3p?
MoonCrash [5k\]: should w just cut? or m15?
ColdFront [4k\]: what are the time settings for these matches?
SergeyASh [12k\]: in general, b looks better w. W have many work. What u think?
stride [3k\]: white seems too confident according to videa
gogonuts [4d\]: that is the question :-)
stride [3k\]: black sorry
GoShinobi [-\]: how much time left for the players ?
Kirigo: o16 
Saiya [2k\]: B wants W to cut, but even knowing it, i'd cut ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 1:06, b: 1:19
jinkidie [16k\]: I just drove to McD's, ate and returned - and they've only played 5 stones?
BenSenTen [?\]: then i hope w would build up a wall n kill l15 3 stones
GoShinobi [-\]: thx,eurogo
gogonuts [4d\]: they are actually haggling over sente again - w doesnt want to see b c5
climbtrees [6k\]: jink: McD is fast fast food
tontonken [7k\]: m15 for the safe player, k15 for the adveturous player
BenSenTen [?\]: no
tontonken [7k\]: actually k15 means it's still connected, so it seems good
BenSenTen [?\]: i cannot agree...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Mope: I would cut in k15 
Saiya [2k\]: if w cut, B can link j17, good result for both
Terminator [7k\]: cut first, lose later
zyklop [1d\]: w k15 now ^^
BenSenTen [?\]: :)
pers [1d\]: W Wall has many weaknesses
gogonuts [4d\]: after the development on the right w can no longer try to win safely
BenSenTen [?\]: all wall has weakness at beginning
tontonken [7k\]: the white wall is thickn! :D
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;W[le]
;B[kf]C[tontonken [7k\]: aw
]
;W[lg]C[pers [1d\]: evident 
tonyp [3d\]: which is in part why I was surprised w chose that continuation
BenSenTen [?\]: gogo w!!!
tontonken [7k\]: i'm still cheering for alex
BenSenTen [?\]: giant killer, beat the p
pers [1d\]: 8))
gogonuts [4d\]: b will be reluctant to push
wintogo [7d\]: this step (M 13) is pretty good.
Tlina [7k\]: b is a pro ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Will q16 ever be good for B?
BenSenTen [?\]: 3p
wintogo [7d\]: i like this move ( M 13)
gogonuts [4d\]: m13 makes m15 a good choice
Tlina [7k\]: his name sounds european
pers [1d\]: e14 is inyetesting
JoostC [3d\]: black just needs to push on L13 
mcw85 [7k\]: Russian.
zyklop [1d\]: he is european
mcw85 [7k\]: He is Russian
kukulis4 [2d\]: black to fix shape now
Tlina [7k\]: thanks
Mope: Eurogotv, as played Shikshin please
gogonuts [4d\]: pushing removes the weakness at m14
qgo [4k\]: I guess this EuroGO is not Harry ? 
mcw85 [7k\]: Can we get a zoom like that on Yanqi, EGTV?
pers [1d\]: diner is Russian profi
fancyfood [1d\]: yeah!
mcw85 [7k\]: He is Russian, but a Korean pro.
gogonuts [4d\]: k12 looks  better to me
Boogeyman [3k\]: 4p so young
wintogo [7d\]: if L 13 white goes M 12 so that white can escape smoothly 
monk316 [1k\]: what is the time situation
BenSenTen [?\]: i like to cheer for the weaker side, gogo b!! give w a lesson!!!
Kirigo: g14 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ilia Shikshin is playing Victor Lin,, a huge ko is going there
gogonuts [4d\]: still found no better move
Warfreak2 [5d\]: go viktor!
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;B[kg]C[pers [1d\]: Baduk Associatin gave him 3p but hi is really Rusiin pro!
gogonuts [4d\]: b going for dirty sente
ColdFront [4k\]: ?
Elandal [3k\]: Sente is dirty here?
Syptryn [3d\]: O13
just9x9 [-\]: f14 next for b?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i would prefer Viktors position......
kukulis4 [2d\]: now white cannot cut at K15
gogonuts [4d\]: as before with c12 ect
Warfreak2 [5d\]: :-)
Terminator [7k\]: hes from Russia but he is a korean pro
Nak0r [4k\]: did Diner win yesterday ?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: if you see viktor later, tell him i'll beat him next time
Kirigo: detroy W wall
just9x9 [-\]: diner won yes
mcw85 [7k\]: No games yesterday,
Terminator [7k\]: there is no pro asociation in Russia
just9x9 [-\]: tuesday
pers [1d\]: e14 is the ame
Tlina [7k\]: there is no pro associatio in Europa ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there will be
Warfreak2 [5d\]: dinerchtein is russian and a pro, not a "russian pro"
Tlina [7k\]: association*
Warfreak2 [5d\]: a girl can be your friend and not be your girlfriend...
ColdFront [4k\]: lies
Terminator [7k\]: korean pro
just9x9 [-\]: he is a prussian
Elandal [3k\]: Just give it a century or few.
BenSenTen [?\]: what should w do now?
mcw85 [7k\]: Pro + Russian = Prussian?
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;W[lf]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: he is a eurasian
gogonuts [4d\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: the familly name doesnt relates him to russians
fancyfood [1d\]: :D!!
ColdFront [4k\]: lol
fancyfood [1d\]: turn camera!
monk316 [1k\]: whichever player here wins is almost certainly in first place, right?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
jinkidie [16k\]: is it just me or this sequence horrendously difficult to read?
Terminator [7k\]: B is winner here
qwerzxcv: no
Aiso [10k\]: diner from tatarstan republic
pers [1d\]: "russian pro" means he is the "pro" and he is Russian
Aiso [10k\]: ?
Terminator [7k\]: W is very strong, but B will win
mcw85 [7k\]: Nobi?
ColdFront [4k\]: I hope black wins :S
BenSenTen [?\]: isn't it a live show??
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Terminator [7k\]: no pers, there are no rusian pro asociation
pers [1d\]: Diner forever!
Kyuss [1k\]: He is Russian, he got a 3p certificate from Korea, leave it alone
ColdFront [4k\]: lol
Mope: thanks,euro
mysteries [?\]: my money on L12
OnTheWay [7k\]: K12
Strudsen [16k\]: my money on pizza for tonight
Terminator [7k\]: exactly pro in korea is korean pro, no matter where you born
Kirigo: o15 
pers [1d\]: ""russian pro" - it dnt mean
Hoyuk [12k\]: my nuts on a tree
Kyuss [1k\]: who has used more time?
Nak0r [4k\]: p15
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;B[kh]C[Aiso [10k\]: euro go show time
Draak [1d\]: pls
OnTheWay [7k\]: o17 alive after p16?
Terminator [7k\]: left W wall is losing its influence?
BenSenTen [?\]: m12
Kirigo: W's wall destroyed
ColdFront [4k\]: I wonder if someone will play on the bottom soon, it look open
Kyuss [1k\]: OnTheWay, o17 vert alive
kukulis4 [2d\]: influence destroyed
wintogo [7d\]: oh, white is stupid?
kukulis4 [2d\]: not the wall
pmrktp: wintogo?
wintogo [7d\]: yes
pmrktp: why?
]
;W[oe]C[wintogo [7d\]: white should played at M 12
OnTheWay [7k\]: p16
wintogo [7d\]: i already told
Xenopus [?\]: the wall has already influenced the flow of the game
SergeyASh [12k\]: b looks very good, w looks many troubles. Can w be in time everywhere? :-|
mcw85 [7k\]: I would play q16,.
k0n0 [?\]: why W q16 didnt work?
Kyuss [1k\]: p16 q18 ...
kukulis4 [2d\]: p15 is sente
kenjiro43 [7k\]: strange game for me
BenSenTen [?\]: p15 seems like chicken move
flogo [2d\]: p15 is good
Kyuss [1k\]: i think p15 is the right move
michka [1d\]: chicken alive
Elandal [3k\]: living chicken wins over dead wolf I guess.
Hoyuk [12k\]: kentucky fried
jinkidie [16k\]: connects everything
JohnSmith [1k\]: Looks like white gained nothing at all from l17 attack
BaldEagle [2k\]: who is white ?
mysteries [?\]: sente cos threatening Q16 which is big
kukulis4 [2d\]: chickens grows and becomes dynosaurs ;)
Xenopus [?\]: p 15 - less worries in sente
SergeyASh [12k\]: kukulis4, see options\\rules
michka [1d\]: this was not that bad an invasion
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i think white's followup is p17, not q16
Warfreak2 [5d\]: so that q18 is not black's sente
mcw85 [7k\]: Who won In-Seong match?
BenSenTen [?\]: why not simply p14?
michka [1d\]: w destroyed territory and cut j17
zyklop [1d\]: now w seems better to me
OnTheWay [7k\]: p16 or p17 i bet
IGoofy [1d\]: In Seong Won
BenSenTen [?\]: this kim doesn't play like a korean...
pers [1d\]: W grabs about 10 pts from B but B got big strens in cetre
]
;B[pe]C[ColdFront [4k\]: BenSenTen: Racist
SergeyASh [12k\]: main goal of w was prevent b o15 moyo. And he make it. IMHO 
BenSenTen [?\]: no, not at all
Kyuss [1k\]: umm
ColdFront [4k\]: ok =)
Kyuss [1k\]: not racist... just not a korean style, in his opinion
BenSenTen [?\]: korean is usually fierce n fight till dead...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: also to my opinion
Kirigo: cold=stupid
Warfreak2 [5d\]: referring to korean go style is no more racist than referring to japanese cartoon style
ColdFront [4k\]: >.> I was joking
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no jokes allowed
mperahia [3k\]: not a good joke at all
ColdFront [4k\]: Kiirigo = simple minded
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;W[og]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: stop joking or be banned forever
Gizensha [?\]: turn the camera :p
michka [1d\]: ouch
zyklop [1d\]: plese stop this discussion
kukulis4 [2d\]: why didnt white play p16 after Q15 ?
BenSenTen [?\]: this is a joke..
Asaliuru [20k\]: b is ahead ??
Warfreak2 [5d\]: be careful with using irony, eurogotv, we could have americans here :>
HandA [1k\]: Camera now shooting at some other place
OnTheWay [7k\]: doesnt white p17 work?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry, forgot the cam
BenSenTen [?\]: i don't cheer for w now...
BlueBossa [7k\]: is it korean sitting style?
pers [1d\]: B seaks the point at the goban
HandA [1k\]: They haven't made any eye contacts
IGoofy [1d\]: u forgot an h bossa
jinkidie [16k\]: w ges a few points, life and walled in...
Kyuss [1k\]: warfreak, what the next big move after this part of the board settles?
BlueBossa [7k\]: :) couldn't aloud myself
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i see a red ear
IGoofy [1d\]: ^^
JoostC [3d\]: black C5
jinkidie [16k\]: i wonder if diner can bust this up
Kirigo: p13 sems shape moove
zyklop [1d\]: can b play tenuki now ?
GoIsBoring [1d\]: omg Honumbo is here!
Kyuss [1k\]: c5 is big
qgo [4k\]: I think blacks once moyo in upperright is bashed
pers [1d\]: k3 big
gaoyakun [3d\]: p13 is a good move
kukulis4 [2d\]: fierce glances of eunkuk
jinkidie [16k\]: m3
gogonuts [4d\]: ws extremely safe play is getting on bs nerves
Kirigo: agree gao
SergeyASh [12k\]: if b o15 ?
Nak0r [4k\]: p16
mcw85 [7k\]: I would p16.
kukulis4 [2d\]: black O16
OnTheWay [7k\]: l13 has to run after j15 peep and g13 from white
KlerChazal [-\]: 1h left each ?
zyklop [1d\]: b c5
kukulis4 [2d\]: BLack O16 and tenuki
jinkidie [16k\]: o16
pers [1d\]: p16 is gote
mcw85 [7k\]: Probably around there.
Nak0r [4k\]: but it makes points
k43r [2k\]: i like b play
Kyuss [1k\]: p16 
Nak0r [4k\]: not enough maybe
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, pers, but it's how I would play. :-P I am only 7k.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
pers [1d\]: p16 little
gogonuts [4d\]: possibly b c4
KlerChazal [-\]: p16 is small.
gogonuts [4d\]: b4, sry
Kyuss [1k\]: well yea
OnTheWay [7k\]: what is the variation for W p17 please
ZeNit [?\]: agree with b4
Kirigo: why not b5 
pers [1d\]: p16 is very small for the syage .
abak [2k\]: p17 p16 
michka [1d\]: p17 bad shape, p 16 better i think
zyklop [1d\]: q15 seems dubious too much aji left
ColdFront [4k\]: j3 
soeasy [3d\]: p16 = straight connect
zyklop [1d\]: but gote
zyklop [1d\]: thar would be very painful now
OnTheWay [7k\]: W p16 p17 q16 q18
Kyuss [1k\]: i think its more like p16 q18 
gogonuts [4d\]: p13 makes p17 feasible, but i dont think b will answer
gogonuts [4d\]: right now
soeasy [3d\]: c5 for b probably
jinkidie [16k\]: w p17 p16 and black very alive in corner
Kyuss [1k\]: i thought you could kill the san-san after b c6, am i wrong?
Kyuss [1k\]: or is it still ko?
Hoyuk [12k\]: i think ko
zyklop [1d\]: probably ko
OnTheWay [7k\]: so W p17 p16 q16 p18 q18 o16 r15
pers [1d\]: if B want he can q14 - p14 for defence from W p17
kukulis4 [2d\]: white gained sente with P13
gogonuts [4d\]: you can kill it, but after b c5 it will take b 20 minutes to decide on the answer to c3 :-)
Kyuss [1k\]: lol
jinkidie [16k\]: q16 atari...
kukulis4 [2d\]: after black c5 black gets standard shape in corner, it should not take too long to count answer to whtie c3 move after that
pers [1d\]: q14+p16 gives B sente
Kyuss [1k\]: p17 is too risky for w
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe just b4 for b, so that h3 has less impact
pers [1d\]: k3 big point
kukulis4 [2d\]: blak may play j3 for himself
valparaiso [2k\]: how much time left
gogonuts [4d\]: but the video suggests b will play at the top :-)
ZeNit [?\]: k3 isn't big since it leaves h3
Gizensha [?\]: how much time do the players have?
gogonuts [4d\]: and j3 smaller than c5 or b4
pers [1d\]: h3 not escapes
SergeyASh [12k\]: me like b o15 
mysteries [?\]: I don't like Q15: Q16 seems honte. Now  W still has aji
jinkidie [16k\]: OTW  that wq16 leads to quite the mess
ZeNit [?\]: j3 and white steals the corner
gogonuts [4d\]: me like ice cream
Hoyuk [12k\]: me like nuts
Warfreak2 [5d\]: i steal your icecream
Kyuss [1k\]: :O
Draak [1d\]: anarchy!
Warfreak2 [5d\]: property is theft :>
just9x9 [-\]: icecream makes u thick
gogonuts [4d\]: its "me steal your ice cream"
Terminator [7k\]: N1 for easy win
Terminator [7k\]: N11
Elandal [3k\]: N11 is easy win?
SergeyASh [12k\]: )) Really, b o15 very dangerous for w. Or not?
wintogo [7d\]: this result is  better for white
wintogo [7d\]: not
wintogo [7d\]: i mean for black
wintogo [7d\]: i typed wrong
just9x9 [-\]: lol, as 8d u will get the colors finally right :)
ZeNit [?\]: You're forgiven
Terminator [7k\]: is ok, we know B is in better position
Q161 [13k?\]: ^_^
wintogo [7d\]: the result of this fight is better for black
OnTheWay [7k\]: wintogo please tell me how b can connect o17 after p17
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;B[bp]C[bobstep [2k?\]: w forgot to attack j17
soeasy [3d\]: o.o
wintogo [7d\]: look at
kukulis4 [2d\]: haha
gogonuts [4d\]: i got one right for a change
wintogo [7d\]: i told you right
Terminator [7k\]: see, B only needs to secure the lead
soeasy [3d\]: isnt this abit too small
just9x9 [-\]: who said b14?
soeasy [3d\]: c5 seems more pt
just9x9 [-\]: b4 sry
]
;W[oc]C[chute [2k\]: gogonuts did
IGoofy [1d\]: b4 was obvious
Hoyuk [12k\]: why now?
just9x9 [-\]: sure it was...
kukulis4 [2d\]: what about top now ?
gogonuts [4d\]: b4 makes the good h3 less inviting for w
Jadeite [?\]: Alexandre seems in good form this tourni
Terminator [7k\]: B 4 was best W point to play at bottom
Draak [1d\]: diner likes to grab territory...
luda [11k\]: L18 ??
wintogo [7d\]: so white shoud have played B 4 area before invading L 17
Kirigo: p16 now?
OnTheWay [7k\]: p16 fails
Manudu92 [2k\]: p16 connect, but is it time?
just9x9 [-\]: b sacrificed those two at top
Terminator [7k\]: tengen now
]
;B[od]C[luda [11k\]: what about L18 ?
]
;W[pd]C[just9x9 [-\]: lol
Terminator [7k\]: oh
mysteries [?\]: W B4 surely B would tenuki in the top right corner
kukulis4 [2d\]: black p16 and then try to connect by the edge ?
gogonuts [4d\]: b started out with a negative playing style again, but its hard to handle as we are witnessing
OnTheWay [7k\]: my variation ^^
]
;B[nd]
;W[qe]C[IGoofy [1d\]: bridge under
Karcusrd [7k\]: BToast
MilanChe [2k?\]: no
Tsumugari [4k\]: connect
Tsumugari [4k\]: q18 connect
ZeroCool [3k\]: q18
]
;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[oa]C[gogonuts [4d\]: b is fine - he will manage there
]
;W[pf]
;B[nb]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: ugly shape for black
che [-\]: Che MilanChe
]
;W[pe]C[michka [1d\]: wasn't p18 better than q 18 ?
MilanChe [2k?\]: hi che :)
Karcusrd [7k\]: manage to butter the toast
che [-\]: who is leading this game
Terminator [7k\]: what? thats good , ot ugly
]
;B[rb]C[luda [11k\]: black is leading
ColdFront [4k\]: so many ko threats, so many
jinkidie [16k\]: looksmlike life hm
Terminator [7k\]: Winning is never ugly
Elandal [3k\]: Consensus is on black's side.
gogonuts [4d\]: i feel b stole some of ws nuts
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
Karcusrd [7k\]: W could have taken that corner 
ekku [-\]: how much time left?
kukulis4 [2d\]: you feel ?
che [-\]: both have 2 corners but nothing else
kukulis4 [2d\]: gogonuts: you feel black nuts ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w: 0:57, b: 0:53
qgo [4k\]: gote for black
gogonuts [4d\]: im to weak to say its so
michka [1d\]: w has komi
OnTheWay [7k\]: j15?
Tlina [7k\]: ugly shapes
Tlina [7k\]: espacially ws
luda [11k\]: there's been some mismanagement on the part of white in this sequence
Tlina [7k\]: especially*
Elandal [3k\]: Black got B4 in, other than that white entered with L17 and now has sente?
ZeroCool [3k\]: w top pretty overconcentrated and the wall isnt that useful
Kirigo: B has enought cash now?
Tsumugari [4k\]: h"
Tsumugari [4k\]: h3
just9x9 [-\]: j15?
pers [1d\]: is anywhere teritiry for W? exept right corner
lose100 [1d\]: h3 too far now that the corner is so solid
SergeyASh [12k\]: Similar there not very convenient armchairs...
Karcusrd [7k\]: bgained
chute [2k\]: no - not after b4, if there at most j3
kukulis4 [2d\]: black have two corners and white has two corners
gogonuts [4d\]: g3 maybe
Terminator [7k\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: h3 has too little impact now
pers [1d\]: about 30 pts
jinkidie [16k\]: h3 makes sense but what if black starts to eat the centre?
OnTheWay [7k\]: j15 and g17 are logical w moves
zyklop [1d\]: w b9
Karcusrd [7k\]: O6
IGoofy [1d\]: looks even but w has sente
wysek [1k\]: I prefer black
]
;W[gq]C[wysek [1k\]: seems hard to use d11 stones
abak [2k\]: wow
just9x9 [-\]: wow gogo
kukulis4 [2d\]: gogonuts: you feel the nuts indead
abak [2k\]: its standart invasion?
jinkidie [16k\]: "You realize, of course, that this means war!"
pers [1d\]: probe
kukulis4 [2d\]: this is not an invasion
seolki [8d\]: seems hard to pay komi for b
Q161 [13k?\]: looks weird
gogonuts [4d\]: got it again
OnTheWay [7k\]: its preparing c3 ^^
IGoofy [1d\]: invasion means sth different
Q161 [13k?\]: ooo
Kirigo: *not invasion, reduction
kukulis4 [2d\]: c3 will not be played
Q161 [13k?\]: so whats g3 for
kukulis4 [2d\]: g3 is for making territory at bottom
michka [1d\]: for settling stones here
gogonuts [4d\]: the reason g3 is good now is that b4 makes the corner comüpletely safe
Hoyuk [12k\]: to prepare fight for centre
che [-\]: g3 makes a b extension impossible
Xenopus [?\]: borrowing from the strength of b's position
chute [2k\]: neither invasion nor reduction - both words would imply, bottom were black moyo
gogonuts [4d\]: so the goal for w now is to make it overconcentrated, rather then invade
OnTheWay [7k\]: h3?
just9x9 [-\]: thx gogo for explanation, i learned a lot from that last two comments
Q161 [13k?\]: i like h3
jinkidie [16k\]: ya h3
kukulis4 [2d\]: h3 is interesting
Q161 [13k?\]: g3 looks very funny
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i hope black will win, but i prefer whites position
Tsumugari [4k\]: g3 is better
]
;B[fp]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: more agressive
kukulis4 [2d\]: white f2
che [-\]: b wanna gain sente
Karcusrd [7k\]: too c;ose
just9x9 [-\]: f2 e2 k3 now?
pers [1d\]: hane - next for W
choboco [1k\]: g3 not betterb than h3 directly
Terminator [7k\]: B wants the prize mony !!!
]
;W[fr]
;B[er]C[choboco [1k\]: oth look gote and get more or less the same
]
;W[jq]C[Q161 [13k?\]: whats prize money?
Hoyuk [12k\]: 50000 nuts
choboco [1k\]: g3 strenghens white and black more and h3 doesnt
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 20000euro first prize
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
gogonuts [4d\]: thats a lot o nuts
mcw85 [7k\]: Prize is a date with Yanqi.
Tsumugari [4k\]: g2 is big
Tsumugari [4k\]: for yose
Xenopus [?\]: eurogotv, it's in your hands to alter the position a bit, right?
che [-\]: just9x9 good call!
choboco [1k\]: 20 grand?
Karcusrd [7k\]: they are going to hang around each other alot now
just9x9 [-\]: thx
wysek [1k\]: 20k euro? really?
choboco [1k\]: thats alot, why arent there more pros playing?
chute [2k\]: this result is much stronger for white than anything that might have come from h3
kukulis4 [2d\]: black n2
choboco [1k\]: 20k euro is enough to life for a year
pers [1d\]: l4 - m.b.
mperahia [3k\]: if i would have known that, i would participate too....20 000
kukulis4 [2d\]: black n2 now
seolki [8d\]: without some happening, w might win, hard to lose this game
Hoyuk [12k\]: me trhee
choboco [1k\]: i really dont get why diner is the only pro then
Hoyuk [12k\]: *three
gogonuts [4d\]: eurogo said it, so its offiical :-)
mcw85 [7k\]: Tree pros.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 pros playing
Terminator [7k\]: hes not the only pro
che [-\]: f17 any good?
choboco [1k\]: really? didnt see any other pro game yet
DERM [3k\]: hm...
Elandal [3k\]: I think it was 20k€ prize pool. iirc 5k€ first prize.
mperahia [3k\]: catalin there too?
daal [8k\]: yes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Catalin from Romania
Terminator [7k\]: look in the game list
Q161 [13k?\]: a 5p is playing in Tv3 choco
]
;B[fc]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Alex from Russia
jinkidie [16k\]: hm n2 grabs sente?
Terminator [7k\]: Taranu is pro
choboco [1k\]: thanks q161
mcw85 [7k\]: Alexandre Dinerchtein, Catalin Taranu, Yuan Jang Chang
gogonuts [4d\]: he plonked that one down
kenjiro43 [7k\]: And the third pro?
mcw85 [7k\]: 3p, 5p and 1p.
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Thank you
Terminator [7k\]: ok, game is over, B won
Terminator [7k\]: we can sing Volga-Volga
chute [2k\]: black crushed catalin, by the way
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a lot of the 7d Koreans are stronger then most pros
ben0 [5d\]: too early to say "it's over" :)
gogonuts [4d\]: very big, c18 would be possible next
just9x9 [-\]: black? sure chute?
seolki [8d\]: hi! eurogo, could u give me a link to pairing?
Karcusrd [7k\]: way to soon
snowman [-\]: you are repeating yourself, eurogotv
chute [2k\]: y
mcw85 [7k\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1496
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: see my info Seolki!!! how are you?
Terminator [7k\]: why too early? B is ahead and will not give the lead to white
IGoofy [1d\]: its not fair to compare a lot of 7d with 1 pro
gogonuts [4d\]: and too early to say in which direction its over :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am getting old snowmen
chute [2k\]: sorry, white crushed catalin
pers [1d\]: c18 - weak pont
mcw85 [7k\]: Did Ilyawin?
pers [1d\]: and e14
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: snowman
OnTheWay [7k\]: now the white wall is useless
]
;W[fd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ilia still playing
Terminator [7k\]: I come from the future, I can tell B won :-)
seolki [8d\]: im fine, but a bit sad because im not there ^^ thx how about u?
mcw85 [7k\]: He's not doing a very good job of playing.
jinkidie [16k\]: gee they both agree thhis top stuff is bigger than the bottom
just9x9 [-\]: why u didnt go there seolki?
]
;B[gc]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Terminator, when will the economic crisis end?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
seolki [8d\]: i have to work ^^
chute [2k\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hope to see you soon Seolki
Terminator [7k\]: in 2012, earth will explode
OnTheWay [7k\]: i dont get why w hasn t played g17 earlier to attack b
seolki [8d\]: hope so too
just9x9 [-\]: i see
]
;W[gr]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Haha, Alex walked in, sat down, moved right away, got up and left again.
Tlina [7k\]: so xhere do u come from Terminator ? ^^
jinkidie [16k\]: ah g2 had some size
snowman [-\]: terminators can't play go
gogonuts [4d\]: mc terminators can
Tlina [7k\]: where*
Terminator [7k\]: haha
]
;B[de]C[Kirigo: euro, if alex wins, wins the tournament?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: big change then
qgo [4k\]: r 9 after-all was no good
Tsumugari [4k\]: now white gained something
Cogita [3d\]: alex is 6-1 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i really hope so; would be good for European go
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes
dxxd [-\]: yes, 6-1
seolki [8d\]: another teacher Mr Kim be there, so i cant, could be next year
Adante [1k\]: this is round 8, two more rounds to go I think
]
;W[ee]C[wysek [1k\]: hey, it's not the last round
Tsumugari [4k\]: bad shape ...
ekku [-\]: doesn't black need to do anything to white bottom? looks awfully big
IGoofy [1d\]: egc troll is watching
valparaiso [2k\]: how much time left do they have?
wysek [1k\]: bottom looks flat
chute [2k\]: !
Jadeite [?\]: Those sashes :)
alvar [7k\]: cut
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 0.46  W 0.50
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks.
gogonuts [4d\]: if alexandre gets away with his profit grabbing the game records will be a hard chew for the koreans
ekku [-\]: wysek, but B doesn't have anything to compensate
chute [2k\]: true also
soslow [1k\]: b c 18
just9x9 [-\]: d15 played to make c18 sente I'd say
Orc [4d\]: white looks better
kukulis4 [2d\]: better than before ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: e18
Orc [4d\]: better than blk
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or b16
IceSpectre [8k\]: g13 
]
;B[bk]
;W[bl]
;B[aj]C[chute [2k\]: nobody wants to cut ?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black cannot play c18 before that sequence
Terminator [7k\]: how is W looking better when B is ahed?
gogonuts [4d\]: working on c18
kukulis4 [2d\]: now black alive and black may play c18
Tsumugari [4k\]: black started the yose
wysek [1k\]: lol
Jadeite [?\]: seolki working at King's Baduk?
Manudu92 [2k\]: "cut then thinking" is not good idea
gogonuts [4d\]: b started the yose with move 1
Hoyuk [12k\]: think cut think
kukulis4 [2d\]: gogonuts: this is called amashi style, right ?
OnTheWay [7k\]: 13h37
mcw85 [7k\]: Yes.
Kirigo: B started yose 20 years ago
gogonuts [4d\]: yeah, its a pest :-)
OnTheWay [7k\]: 1337
Warfreak2 [5d\]: no, amashi is not yose from move 1
kukulis4 [2d\]: what is pest ? :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on Tom (chinese go server) the bettors are 100% sure white will win
jinkidie [16k\]: e13 ends the cuts, but gote
chute [2k\]: as i got it, amashi is only a style for white
mcw85 [7k\]: What do they know?
gogonuts [4d\]: b didnt just take points, he also devalued ws wall
Warfreak2 [5d\]: amashi is, neither of us will make territory, and i will win by komi
lose100 [1d\]: probably Tom said the same thing about alex's last game at move 100
Q161 [13k?\]: lol
Draak [1d\]: amashi territory grabbing style, mostly leaving a weak group
Warfreak2 [5d\]: uh
Warfreak2 [5d\]: no, amashi isn't territory grabbing style
jinkidie [16k\]: Geez the Dutch people jsut love eyesore orange
IGoofy [1d\]: maybe your chinese is not so good
Warfreak2 [5d\]: it's territory destroying style
Draak [1d\]: right
Draak [1d\]: ok
gogonuts [4d\]: then mondays game was tripple amashi :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ilia Shikshin won after killing a group in losing position against Viktor Lin
mcw85 [7k\]: Congrats, Ilya.
just9x9 [-\]: yes go ilja
Warfreak2 [5d\]: amashi means, i will invade everywhere, and i don't care that the resulting fight costs me all of my territory since i will live in all of yours
Jadeite [?\]: congrats Ilia, bad cough he has though
qgo [4k\]: again gote ?
OnTheWay [7k\]: roln teh best
gogonuts [4d\]: killing a group will do wonders for your position
Tsumugari [4k\]: a strategy for white in no-'komi' games in which he lets the opponent take good points but as compensation takes territory, aiming to 'outlast' the opponent
Tsumugari [4k\]: amashi
wysek [1k\]: is the cut really good?
Draak [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Amashi
]
;W[gp]C[yoshiro [3k\]: iss oh che min still playing ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
wysek [1k\]: e14 f14 e13 f13 e12 f12 e11 f10 f11 g11 e10 e9 d13 g9 
]
;B[fo]C[mcw85 [7k\]: There is a problem with the usage of the word "taking" that creates confusion, I think.
Karcusrd [7k\]: lets all gravitate towards the center
Syptryn [3d\]: black seems followng white around too much
Syptryn [3d\]: white is leading now
mcw85 [7k\]: Taking in this context means to destroy rather than obtain.
]
;W[cm]C[snowman [-\]: destroy and obtain, sounds like pantera to me
gogonuts [4d\]: g4 was a nice inducing move
qgo [4k\]: now b sente
michka [1d\]: b can c18
just9x9 [-\]: l4
Kirigo: k5 ?
]
;B[cb]
;W[cc]
;B[db]C[mcw85 [7k\]: B must do something about the bottom.
gogonuts [4d\]: had to
Orc [4d\]: white has sharp sense of shape and tesuji
chute [2k\]: f13 e12 ????
Tsumugari [4k\]: ouch
chute [2k\]: in that sequence ?
michka [1d\]: hehe
AURELIE46 [3d\]: l5
Karcusrd [7k\]: some sure called that move
Terminator [7k\]: W is a strong player but now cannot win this game
Tsumugari [4k\]: l5 empty move
Terminator [7k\]: B lpayed much better all the way
globax [4d\]: g12
ekku [-\]: doesn't this force white to move to the center with the wall? seems bad for b...
Syptryn [3d\]: J015
OnTheWay [7k\]: e18 to get b18 in sente?
kukulis4 [2d\]: g12 ???
gogonuts [4d\]: that was big
Tsumugari [4k\]: f14
just9x9 [-\]: g12 fears attack on wall
mcw85 [7k\]: Hi, roln111, congratulations on the win.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gogonuts [4d\]: e13 has become a real threat
globax [4d\]: i would protect
Orc [4d\]: g12\\
OnTheWay [7k\]: congrats roln
Fenix [2d\]: H6?
Fenix [2d\]: for w
]
;W[ec]
;B[eb]
;W[hd]C[just9x9 [-\]: nice w here
chute [2k\]: protecting the cut: d13 only
globax [4d\]: yes
gogonuts [4d\]: true, b does not want to see w h18
seolki [8d\]: f4 was bit strange, g4 B g3 W h4 is better shape
just9x9 [-\]: k18 now?
yann75 [5k\]: the best defense is attack ;) 
Yuura [4k?\]: and about Yanqi Zhang ? against who she plays ??
gogonuts [4d\]: g3 was before f4
alvar [7k\]: Attack bottmom!
mcw85 [7k\]: Oh chi minh.
Yuura [4k?\]: thx
]
;B[gd]C[jinkidie [16k\]: 1 stone to close 3 to patch up later
]
;W[ge]
;B[he]C[DonGOleone [2k\]: bottmom is batmans mom?
Syptryn [3d\]: H-14
pmrktp: worst joke today
jinkidie [16k\]: starting where, alvar?
just9x9 [-\]: can be worse i am sure
DonGOleone [2k\]: hehe
]
;W[hf]
;B[ie]
;W[gg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: mmm
Syptryn [3d\]: was thinking F-14
Syptryn [3d\]: but this works
DonGOleone [2k\]: wait a minute will go from bad to worse
alvar [7k\]: something like m5 maybe
Nemerid [-\]: who is leading ?
Syptryn [3d\]: black need to reduce bot now
Terminator [7k\]: F-14 is not used anymore, now they fly f-18 s
Terminator [7k\]: :-)
Fenix [2d\]: can black play K5 or is that a bad move?
mcw85 [7k\]: F14.
Kirigo: k5 
Syptryn [3d\]: L4
alvar [7k\]: gain territory in center while reducing b bot
seolki [8d\]: who is a leader of EGC so far?
just9x9 [-\]: i like l4 still
KlerChazal [-\]: i would like to play l4 too
Remember [2k\]: g5
IceSpectre [8k\]: hmm what about m7 ? 
IceSpectre [8k\]: for b 
mcw85 [7k\]: Enkuk is number one.
jinkidie [16k\]: good heavens whats this i see? points north of g9??
mcw85 [7k\]: Hwang is number two.
pers [1d\]: n6 m.b.
mcw85 [7k\]: Dinerchtein is number three.
michka [1d\]: L4 or m5 ?
KlerChazal [-\]: they are tied mcw.
seolki [8d\]: thx
Syptryn [3d\]: L3
kkwett [2k\]: hwang has won against motoki ?
mcw85 [7k\]: Tied in MMS, but not SOS.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
michka [1d\]: oops, or m5
Syptryn [3d\]: if black brave :p
kkwett [2k\]: thx
pers [1d\]: L4 or m5 or n6 etc.
Orc [4d\]: L4
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;B[mp]C[gogonuts [4d\]: ulala
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: are you also watching the live tv stream seolki?
Karcusrd [7k\]: game over
jinkidie [16k\]: diner has found a way in
pers [1d\]: region is correct!
mcw85 [7k\]: If MMS is same, then SOS. If SOS is same, then SOSOS determines rank, I think.
Terminator [7k\]: now you'll see pro destroying all center points
just9x9 [-\]: dreamin of n7 area...
KlerChazal [-\]: SOS is not the same.
mcw85 [7k\]: I know.
OnTheWay [7k\]: b will make a huge center moyo now if w prtects bot
Tsumugari [4k\]: Terminator : there is no point in the center
Syptryn [3d\]: white can't afford oto be too submissive
Syptryn [3d\]: here
Terminator [7k\]: no OntheWay
Terminator [7k\]: B has enough points
seolki [8d\]: well, im not interested in these guys ^^
alvar [7k\]: prefer SMS >MMS
jinkidie [16k\]: more points never hurts
Terminator [7k\]: thats bad habit
mcw85 [7k\]: I prefer S&M... o_O
Porkypine [8k\]: naughty
Terminator [7k\]: he only has to maje sure to keep the lead safely
michka [1d\]: b seems confident
jinkidie [16k\]: b is also pulling big aji
Syptryn [3d\]: but hard fopr white
Syptryn [3d\]: all black grousp strong
Syptryn [3d\]: white won't be able to attack this stone easily
Karcusrd [7k\]: its over Bwin
kukulis4 [2d\]: now black definately wins
mage44 [9k\]: yea
gogonuts [4d\]: how about p7?
Syptryn [3d\]: and playing at N-3 etc won't give him enough points
Fenix [2d\]: too early to say
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
pers [1d\]: k6 and o5 - next points
Syptryn [3d\]: I'd go for something like P7
Syptryn [3d\]: risky
Syptryn [3d\]: but white needs it
Fenix [2d\]: w can maybe play p7 later and then mount heavy attack
OnTheWay [7k\]: w failed by not playing g17...
seolki [8d\]: b is doing well, but w is still ahead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol, seolki
Terminator [7k\]: there is no later, tis is the end part of the game
jinkidie [16k\]: p7 p6 then what
kukulis4 [2d\]: seolki: white ahead ?????
gogonuts [4d\]: o6
mcw85 [7k\]: Seolki is biased.
Terminator [7k\]: haha
Syptryn [3d\]: I dun think white is ahead...
Karcusrd [7k\]: w ahead out the hall
gogonuts [4d\]: the position is biased
alvar [7k\]: there was something about bettors like everybody for white?
Syptryn [3d\]: points about the same...
OnTheWay [7k\]: seolki why didnt w try to use his wall to attack L12 and played g17?
Syptryn [3d\]: (after komi)
Syptryn [3d\]: but black has initiative
seolki [8d\]: sorry eurotv, if u broadcasted some nice girl's game i would watch it whole day
Karcusrd [7k\]: lol
mcw85 [7k\]: Yeah, should broadcast Yanqi's gme.
Terminator [7k\]: hehe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just a few minutes ago Carole was watching this game
mcw85 [7k\]: What is the matter with you. :-P
gogonuts [4d\]: b stones are safe, but w stones are safer
Fenix [2d\]: w ahead by like 5 points?
Fenix [2d\]: oh more, i didnt think of komi
Fenix [2d\]: oO
gogonuts [4d\]: i like w better, but surely he cant defend at m3
Fenix [2d\]: no, wait
Fenix [2d\]: w ahead by 5 i think
Karcusrd [7k\]: B has horses riding from all side to the middle
jinkidie [16k\]: It's the Klingon diplomatic corps!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
alvar [7k\]: i'd say game is not decided yet
wintogo [7d\]: B4 is bad
GoIsBoring [1d\]: n4 is good?
Tiny81 [5k\]: where is the Congress at this year?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: can you tell us something about mr Kim seolki?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: c4 maybe better, wintogo?
alvar [7k\]: but it's safe :P
OnTheWay [7k\]: B4 is not bad it is impossible i would say
wintogo [7d\]: no
gogonuts [4d\]: aw. for once i picked a move right, now your picking on it
jinkidie [16k\]: well, it's impossible now, yes
Karcusrd [7k\]: but N4ow is
wintogo [7d\]: N4 is soso
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;W[no]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wow
wintogo [7d\]: oops?
gogonuts [4d\]: the coolest possible answer
Syptryn [3d\]: mmmm
Porkypine [8k\]: wintogo could you explain why b4 is bad :( It looks okay to newbies like myself
alvar [7k\]: great mojo is dead
Hoyuk [12k\]: nice vanilla ice
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n2 now
KoReNJe [3d\]: w leading 
wysek [1k\]: ehh, and I was thinking n11 would be played long time ago:)
KoReNJe [3d\]: w+6
seolki [8d\]: hm, can u take in Carole to your camera angle? :D
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: b4 for whom?
gogonuts [4d\]: b L4?
Syptryn [3d\]: N2
]
;B[mr]C[Syptryn [3d\]: wooo
]
;W[nq]C[wintogo [7d\]: wow
gogonuts [4d\]: true, sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: l4
seolki [8d\]: getting interesting
Syptryn [3d\]: L4
gogonuts [4d\]: now L4
Syptryn [3d\]: my guess
wintogo [7d\]: white is too strong
GoIsBoring [1d\]: KILL!
jinkidie [16k\]: aji fading fast
alvar [7k\]: black wants to kill f2
hylie [4d\]: m5
wintogo [7d\]: going to kill allllll?
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: i'd just m5 aND Get out
wintogo [7d\]: either one
Syptryn [3d\]: if black separates the 2 groups
hylie [4d\]: u cant kill everyting - immediately
Syptryn [3d\]: then attack major success
globax [4d\]: l4 shape ?
gogonuts [4d\]: m5 ios awful shape
Asaliuru [20k\]: KILL
KoReNJe [3d\]: oh seolki is here :p
alvar [7k\]: m5 to weak :)
michka [1d\]: m5 or L4 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: L4 is shape imo
Syptryn [3d\]: L4
Fenix [2d\]: L4..
KoReNJe [3d\]: weren't u playing right now?
Syptryn [3d\]: I vote
GoIsBoring [1d\]: k4 
Fenix [2d\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: L2
Syptryn [3d\]: if black psycho
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: maybe l4 is ajikeshi against k4
mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV: Can you take the camera on a field trip to Yanqi's board? :-)
SaveYou [2k\]: looks like black just created a weak group
lose100 [1d\]: 설기 씨는, 지금 한국에 있습니가?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: KoRenJe why arnt you banned?
KoReNJe [3d\]: I got bannananed
Prodigious [5d?\]: Chem, there's no real usable aji there though
alvar [7k\]: n3 ;)
mcw85 [7k\]: Black want to try and live here instead of run?
globax [4d\]: k4 seems possible
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: just feels like it's making white stronger than he needs to be, maybe it's a stylistic thing?
mcw85 [7k\]: Is it possible? :-/
KoReNJe [3d\]: hey hairy who's gonna win?
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: not that k4 is bad just that m5 feels better to me
Orc [4d\]: m6
Tsumugari [4k\]: o5 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: making w stronger than he needs to be is good :-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am allways the ultimate winner
alvar [7k\]: fifty-fifty
globax [4d\]: i would k4
jinkidie [16k\]: what if o1
Syptryn [3d\]: mmm
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: m6 seems possible too, i am not sure
Syptryn [3d\]: if K4, white M3?
]
;B[lo]C[belldandy [4d\]: vous pensez qu'a des reponses de fou mais jamais aux reponses simple, voila pourquoi vous avez tout faut x)
ekku [-\]: L4
KoReNJe [3d\]: w's komi too big :p b has no chance whatever he does
globax [4d\]: oo
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
hylie [4d\]: there, you see
Syptryn [3d\]: eh
IGoofy [1d\]: m5 is the only move
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: there we go, i was right
Syptryn [3d\]: I dun even like that shape
globax [4d\]: well  !
Karcusrd [7k\]: mayby B want the whole Goban now
hylie [4d\]: i said it first
ColdFront [4k\]: I think everyone should tenuki
alvar [7k\]: if komi was -20 b would win easily
Syptryn [3d\]: haha
gogonuts [4d\]: something must have been poisoned about L4 20 moves down :-)
KlerChazal [-\]: the video is way late :D
Pzkfw [7k\]: indeed m5 was the only move, because everyone was spamming every other coordinate on the board
KoReNJe [3d\]: h9 :p
IceSpectre [8k\]: m3 
gogonuts [4d\]: m5 is really lazy shape
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: b is not that bad on this board
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: white's middle is smaller than it looks
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: do you guys see a ad in the live tv feed?
Karcusrd [7k\]: its gone
mcw85 [7k\]: No
Syptryn [3d\]: well I'd say black attack sucessful
LYMAK [9k\]: no
ColdFront [4k\]: b is the shizzle
jinkidie [16k\]: no
Hoyuk [12k\]: k5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hmm
Syptryn [3d\]: L2
Larrave [3k\]: only to support eurogotv or
lose100 [1d\]: is "USTREAM live" an ad?
IGoofy [1d\]: ive a ad blocker
Larrave [3k\]: do you mean that
Syptryn [3d\]: is a nice follow-up fo rblack
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: k5 feels normal
gogonuts [4d\]: maybe g5
GoIsBoring [1d\]: m5 not cool
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: maybe m3, m2 first
xxxstar [7d\]: s8.. hehe
Q161 [13k?\]: how much time do they have?
alvar [7k\]: random(a..t) random(1..19) <some japaneese word>
jinkidie [16k\]: ad!
OnTheWay [7k\]: b can attack and build venter moyo - my bucks on b
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Porkypine [8k\]: a1 arigato
mcw85 [7k\]: i13
Porkypine [8k\]: Your formula doesn't work
Porkypine [8k\]: ;_;
Hoyuk [12k\]: venter?
Porkypine [8k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls follow the link and pay^^
Q161 [13k?\]: eurogo wat time they have on clocks?
OnTheWay [7k\]: yes hoyuk
alvar [7k\]: 150:00
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 0.35  W 0.32
Q161 [13k?\]: thx
lose100 [1d\]: so, if breakfast wins he and hwang are the only 1-loss dudes, but the already played each other. Do they rematch?
jinkidie [16k\]: can anyone tell what kind of wood those bowls are?
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;W[jo]C[ChemBoy613 [1d\]: right, k5
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: no m7
gogonuts [4d\]: wow k5it is
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: now m7
OnTheWay [7k\]: it is written center and pronounced venter if u have no teeth anymore
Hoyuk [12k\]: i said it first
Hoyuk [12k\]: ^^
seolki [8d\]: good job lose 100, but my name is 슬기 exactly
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: i guess my reading isn't so bad
ColdFront [4k\]: according to se, white is dead almost everywhere
che [-\]: center is grass?
]
;B[kp]C[Porkypine [8k\]: SE is a tesuji master. It can kill everything
Porkypine [8k\]: and make dead things live
KoReNJe [3d\]: b making some strange moves
]
;W[jp]C[ColdFront [4k\]: it is a necromancer O.o
GoIsBoring [1d\]: aful shape
gogonuts [4d\]: L4 double sente :-)
GoIsBoring [1d\]: l2 
seolki [8d\]: w is playing too fast, he has enough time i guess
jinkidie [16k\]: These guys are really good a making the centre all one color - grey.
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: outside moe... m7
che [-\]: when b wins in-seong leads the tourney
Karcusrd [7k\]: ↥
mcw85 [7k\]: n6 ?
KoReNJe [3d\]: I wonder what rank would w be on kgs :p
che [-\]: i hope for that
Pzkfw [7k\]: 9d
wintogo [7d\]: white wants to play at S 8
wintogo [7d\]: to kill all
hylie [4d\]: 9d?
Syptryn [3d\]: L2 looks like it'll fix black shape...
Orc [4d\]: 8d
Syptryn [3d\]: but M-6 looks a little painful
alvar [7k\]: d9 is white
seolki [8d\]: is this last round?
Porkypine [8k\]: Since he's 7d in real life, I'm guessing at least 7d lol
Syptryn [3d\]: black should still jump out first I think
che [-\]: wintogo who is leading?
gogonuts [4d\]: s8 is nice and sinister :-)
KoReNJe [3d\]: is he stronger than seolki?
lose100 [1d\]: 한글 어렵지!
mcw85 [7k\]: He would be 9d easy.
]
;B[lm]C[hylie [4d\]: does anyone know if w is a former insei
hylie [4d\]: ?
Karcusrd [7k\]: ↥
seolki [8d\]: i dont think so Korenge ^^
KoReNJe [3d\]: korenje.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am afraid s4 will die
che [-\]: S$ IS HEALTHY
]
;W[rl]C[alvar [7k\]: s3 rather
Spartaaaaa [1k\]: who is winning?
Warfreak2 [5d\]: death is natural, eurogotv, you shouldn't fear it
wintogo [7d\]: yeah
ColdFront [4k\]: jinx
Fenix [2d\]: inseong is boss monster
wintogo [7d\]: i got it
gogonuts [4d\]: good call
che [-\]: O10
KoReNJe [3d\]: seolki, are u stronger than hwang in-seong?
GoIsBoring [1d\]: n11 
abak [2k\]: o7 
Kirigo: o7 
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: o7 should link up
Spartaaaaa [1k\]: tell meee who is winning?
Fenix [2d\]: uuuh tell me why
Tsumugari [4k\]: r7 is the shape
Karcusrd [7k\]: ↫
alvar [7k\]: w+7
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: r7 is the other move, it is the shape back here
ColdFront [4k\]: r7 looks too slow?
mcw85 [7k\]: o7 ?
KoReNJe [3d\]: pop also there :p
Larrave [3k\]: r7 looks needed
KoReNJe [3d\]: I almost beat pop once
Fenix [2d\]: b N8 to be on the safe side ^^
wintogo [7d\]: almost equal
gogonuts [4d\]: i dont think he will defend directly
Tsumugari [4k\]: o7 is building a moyo
kukulis4 [2d\]: can black ignore this move?
gogonuts [4d\]: L2 maybe
Syptryn [3d\]: O7 seems okay
shika12 [-\]: don why aren't you here yet...
kukulis4 [2d\]: black may be P6 ?
wintogo [7d\]: if black can go L 2,
Orc [4d\]: whte wants to kill? blk doesnt look weak
Fenix [2d\]: what happens after o7 if w peeps n6?
KoReNJe [3d\]: b should make moyo
kukulis4 [2d\]: or N6
alvar [7k\]: w wants to reduce in sente
wintogo [7d\]: i guess black is not bad
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: i think w gets weak group
kukulis4 [2d\]: I would say black N6 here
OnTheWay [7k\]: o7
shika12 [-\]: hm
Fenix [2d\]: b n8?
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: mayve n8 is safer connection
alvar [7k\]: z56
ZeroCool [3k\]: hoe are the odds in china now?
Spartaaaaa [1k\]: b+93.5
shika12 [-\]: n11 i like
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 75% white
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: china puts odds on white
alvar [7k\]: 4:1?
Pzkfw [7k\]: yeah sparta, black is way ahead
mcw85 [7k\]: on TOM
Pzkfw [7k\]: 93 is awesome
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: koreans closer to chinese than russians, i guess
shika12 [-\]: lol
Hoyuk [12k\]: this is madness...
shika12 [-\]: not that mad
alvar [7k\]: is there a lot bettong in go?
shika12 [-\]: just different
jinkidie [16k\]: b+20 incl komi 
shika12 [-\]: heck ya
shika12 [-\]: ever seen oro alvar?
Tiny81 [5k\]: @EuroGo: how much time is left for both players?
mcw85 [7k\]: About .5 hour.
Draak [1d\]: 25 min
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 0.28  W 0.32
alvar [7k\]: no
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: q6 is a weaker shape, but might help more with connecting?
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: r7 seems to best locally though
shika12 [-\]: it's a bet every other second there
Fenix [2d\]: b has 48 points, w has 38 points and komi?
Sheeple [3k\]: did chi-min win?
ColdFront [4k\]: when in doubt ... tenuki
ColdFront [4k\]: =)
alvar [7k\]: no spoilers
che [-\]: o8 maybe
shika12 [-\]: p6
shika12 [-\]: n11 
gogonuts [4d\]: s8 is causing a certain amount of headache
kukulis4 [2d\]: black N15
kukulis4 [2d\]: and then O12
shika12 [-\]: p6
IceSpectre [8k\]: too small 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n6
Porkypine [8k\]: I vote L9 :( go breakfast
Porkypine [8k\]: do iiit
Fenix [2d\]: maybe b O12?
wintogo [7d\]: L 2?
alvar [7k\]: b has many threats
gogonuts [4d\]: L2 if in any way possible :-)
wintogo [7d\]: I like L 2 for black
Orc [4d\]: l2 threat white
Fenix [2d\]: b O12 i think is sente?
Karcusrd [7k\]: B oh B + 93
belldandy [4d\]: Sheeple [3k\]: did chi-min win?< yes :s
Ruddick [9k?\]: R7
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;B[mm]C[Karcusrd [7k\]: ↫
gogonuts [4d\]: wow
OnTheWay [7k\]: lol
Porkypine [8k\]: ohhh
IceSpectre [8k\]: huh ?
Ruddick [9k?\]: )
Lentyi [2k\]: hm....
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W83% now
ZeroCool [3k\]: and people tell me i am slow *g*
alvar [7k\]: sorry??
Fenix [2d\]: what's that number?
gogonuts [4d\]: predicting that move would have invited ridicule
wintogo [7d\]: oh, too honest~~
jinkidie [16k\]: l2 l3 m3 n3?
]
;W[mi]C[Orc [4d\]: is blk winning ? such a thick move
Pzkfw [7k\]: betway odds
hylie [4d\]: n12
alvar [7k\]: 6:1 on white
gogonuts [4d\]: the good part about n7 was sente
Fenix [2d\]: O12
gogonuts [4d\]: w had to play n11
sameasyou [2d\]: how is Diner doing?
Ruddick [9k?\]: m11?
gogonuts [4d\]: dinrs not done yet
bobstep [2k?\]: Cornel lost
alvar [7k\]: m12
kukulis4 [2d\]: black L2
jinkidie [16k\]: very well. Jinkiscoromatic +20
OnTheWay [7k\]: n7 was boredom to let w catch up and make the game exciting again for all the spectators
Karcusrd [7k\]: B oh B +73
sameasyou [2d\]: :)
Warfreak2 [5d\]: bob is not playing
Ruddick [9k?\]: who is cornel? I see him on IGS usually
jinkidie [16k\]: if u believe se
SaveYou [2k\]: how many time left ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
sameasyou [2d\]: don't believe SE
bobstep [2k?\]: Cornel Burzo
wintogo [7d\]: N 7 is too honest
mez [12k\]: any stream where no login is required?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am hungry
wintogo [7d\]: it calls N 11
gogonuts [4d\]: this will be an excedingly painful endgame 
alvar [7k\]: update on betting?
Nemerid [-\]: alex is good at endgame
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: streams without login have annoying ads
wintogo [7d\]: hungry?
gogonuts [4d\]: i absolutely hate nitty gritty endgames like this
mcw85 [7k\]: Why wait?
qgo [4k\]: will b connect 2 dead groups ?
Elandal [3k\]: Alex loves them. So time to bet on alex :)
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
alvar [7k\]: n12 possible?
Karcusrd [7k\]: ye but i cant get into Eurogotv 
BlueBossa [7k\]: moi aussi
Courgette [2k\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: why not?
seolki [8d\]: w made important decistion too quickly, dont understand
ColdFront [4k\]: alvar: anything is possible if you believe
Ruddick [9k?\]: I belive I can fly..
Karcusrd [7k\]: it toled me it would send email and never ever did
maligo [4d\]: who thrusts 7k?
jinkidie [16k\]: At times like this, i construct beautiful and elegant structures optimally linked and efficiently functioned, then blunder away the critical 3 stone group.
IceSpectre [8k\]: Ruddick try it : )
Pzkfw [7k\]: why did n7 force n11 btw
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;B[nh]C[KlerChazal [-\]: what are their time left please ?
]
;W[mh]C[gogonuts [4d\]: which one seolki?
alvar [7k\]: 22:00
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 0.21  B 0.31
Fenix [2d\]: N11 i think seolki means?
qgo [4k\]: everyone is one stone stronger when watching
jinkidie [16k\]: lol
cfebh: why korean play so quickly? ☺
wintogo [7d\]: seolki, an nyoung ha se yo?
Karcusrd [7k\]: even W only group is all open
Sheeple [3k\]: so B has 2 times.
seolki [8d\]: maybe he has very optimistic viewing
alvar [7k\]: b =21+31?
KlerChazal [-\]: thanks eurogotv
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n15 now?
alvar [7k\]: and how many times has w?
maligo [4d\]: grey will win :P
Ruddick [9k?\]: Korean have bomb in their blood and becouse of that playing qiuck)
KlerChazal [-\]: 50% grey ?
wintogo [7d\]: i like L 2
Onmyoji [2d\]: GO BREAKFAST GO
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bn15 Wm16 B o13
luda [11k\]: N15 too early I suppose
maligo [4d\]: go breakfast eat diner :P
alvar [7k\]: 50 on grey, 40 on b 30 on w
KoReNJe [3d\]: n7 looks like a slip
hylie [4d\]: i don't know how o12 was good
jinkidie [16k\]: l2 not only makes a few points, it threatens whitespace
gogonuts [4d\]: they made no lunch break?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
kukulis4 [2d\]: O12 strange 
maligo [4d\]: but they did made breakfast
gogonuts [4d\]: so its a battle of bloodsugar levels
Fenix [2d\]: need a big sente now, or N15 now
MATb [2d\]: who is playing?
seolki [8d\]: how big is the komi?
KoReNJe [3d\]: m15
Karcusrd [7k\]: tubes for restroom
alvar [7k\]: b wants to give chances for w
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: n15!!!
KoReNJe [3d\]: M15
Porkypine [8k\]: Can they get food if they want? :<
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am sure
OnTheWay [7k\]: 7 or 8 seolki
KoReNJe [3d\]: yes N15
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: winning move 
b5ker: NO FOOD FOR THEM
maligo [4d\]: n15 small
maligo [4d\]: g11 
KoReNJe [3d\]: weak croat
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;B[nj]C[luda [11k\]: N15 bad
Gary34 [4k?\]: it's 8 but B wins ties, so for all practical purposes 7.5 
Fenix [2d\]: what? 8? i never heard of 8 komi in go
maligo [4d\]: stupid slovenian
jinkidie [16k\]: sigh they provides these lovely wooden ashtrays and nobody ever uses them
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
maligo [4d\]: wahts up korenje?
]
;W[mj]
;B[nk]C[maligo [4d\]: pussy
KoReNJe [3d\]: ban time
]
;W[co]C[maligo [4d\]: screv you time
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: seolki what about Bn15?
maligo [4d\]: i mean fuc* you time!
gogonuts [4d\]: stop it
Karcusrd [7k\]: imagine 3d and 4d behaving badly
wintogo [7d\]: that is why i don't like B4
Sheeple [3k\]: you too must love each other very much
cfebh: stop it milingo
Sheeple [3k\]: you two*
KoReNJe [3d\]: anyway....
KoReNJe [3d\]: w+10
jinkidie [16k\]: jinkiscorOmatic b+7
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;B[cp]C[luda [11k\]: N15 looks useless
Jocky [3d\]: undo
Jocky [3d\]: :))
MATb [2d\]: who is playing?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
wintogo [7d\]: E1?
Fenix [2d\]: K7?
kukulis4 [2d\]: e1
PowerTower [1d\]: R12 is in atari
Karcusrd [7k\]: Oh noH12
Sheeple [3k\]: what! atari!
hylie [4d\]: How many stronger amateurs than the ones at EGC now are there in Korea?
kukulis4 [2d\]: but may be e1 could be saved for future ko threats
wintogo [7d\]: N15 is not good for black
Fenix [2d\]: hmm or maybe J10.. looks somehow lukewarm though
KoReNJe [3d\]: n15 my move
Karcusrd [7k\]: H12
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i see now; not good
seolki [8d\]: w was obviously better position, but getting very close now
PowerTower [1d\]: so what is the next good move?
KoReNJe [3d\]: n15 cutting move
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;W[es]C[luda [11k\]: Black could H11
]
;B[dr]C[PowerTower [1d\]: cut what?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not cutting
wintogo [7d\]: one more
Manudu92 [2k\]: corner small
KoReNJe [3d\]: w 40, b 42
ZeroCool [3k\]: b l18 good later?
KoReNJe [3d\]: hm b actually +2 unless w makes moyo at f10
PowerTower [1d\]: which corner is small?
cbc1: Gnugo says b+1.7 (?)
globax [4d\]: g7?
KoReNJe [3d\]: h10 perhaps
OnTheWay [7k\]: g9
Pzkfw [7k\]: dunno if the term moyo is applicable at this stage
Manudu92 [2k\]: w cant use it wall to have many territories?
Sheeple [3k\]: did they do lunchbreak?
globax [4d\]: k18?
che [-\]: H10 not for sure
wintogo [7d\]: M2 for w
emre35 [4d\]: ı think w will win
Karcusrd [7k\]: H12 w resign
globax [4d\]: k18-l2
luda [11k\]: I'd even say black +1.793055 cbc1 !
Mem0r3x [1k\]: j11 
Onmyoji [2d\]: I COUNT B+10.5
che [-\]: 8 komi
PowerTower [1d\]: how can u count this?
jinkidie [16k\]: JinkiScorOmatic b+1
KoReNJe [3d\]: stop repeating after my count :p
PowerTower [1d\]: the middle is so komplex
hylie [4d\]: he counts the definite territories
MATb [2d\]: who is playing?
lose100 [1d\]: w+4 looks to me
gogonuts [4d\]: he count 18 for b minus komi :-)
mez [12k\]: times?
kukulis4 [2d\]: close game
hylie [4d\]: l2 us a big endgame point for black
PowerTower [1d\]: the middle represents the confusion of emptyness
hylie [4d\]: but there are bigger ones near the white wall
OnTheWay [7k\]: g10 
luda [11k\]: Dinerchtein will get away with a +5 victory as usual
PowerTower [1d\]: ok
gogonuts [4d\]: h10?
kukulis4 [2d\]: h10
Ruddick [9k?\]: )
Korea4K [2d\]: w leading
Kirigo: why not F12?
luda [11k\]: agree with H10 
jinkidie [16k\]: Onmyo did u count dead stones and komi?
PowerTower [1d\]: H10 or H9?
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count everything
hylie [4d\]: korea is always leading in Korea4Ks reality. :)
Meareal [4k\]: japanese or chinese rules?
kukulis4 [2d\]: ing
kukulis4 [2d\]: dont know what it mean, but its ing rules
hylie [4d\]: nothing wrong with nationalism but flaunting it in international company is kind of embarassing.
wintogo [7d\]: M2 is good
hylie [4d\]: for white?
jinkidie [16k\]: Onmyo did u try to vcount the centre?
wintogo [7d\]: yes
kukulis4 [2d\]: its white move now
che [-\]: l2 is more sente?
hylie [4d\]: i see, white gets a stone in sente
Onmyoji [2d\]: yes
jinkidie [16k\]: Oh. I didnt
jinkidie [16k\]: there the diff
Spiele1000 [3k\]: what is the time left for both?
gogonuts [4d\]: w m2 b L2
luda [11k\]: Is Kim Jong il, the North Korean dictator, good at go ?
hylie [4d\]: he is 11 dan
mcw85 [7k\]: He is god, of course he is.
hylie [4d\]: the eternal professional
Chillijan [?\]: he wins on first move every time. Tengen, I'm guessing :)
leger [1d\]: isn't he not the dictator anymore ? his newphew or son is no ?
luda [11k\]: I guess his opponents let him win
tomasinski [2k\]: achieved it by a decree
hylie [4d\]: doesn't retire even in death
gogonuts [4d\]: he almost never loses
wintogo [7d\]: black L2, w N3
cherisse [2k\]: hi eurogotv
Gresil [-\]: kim jong-il played sixteen checkmates in his first game of go
OnTheWay [7k\]: i bet it doesn t matter - he will beat every other korean player
ibd [9k?\]: lol
gogonuts [4d\]: terrible things happen to people who beat him
cherisse [2k\]: what's the time of the players used now?
kukulis4 [2d\]: devilish leader
wintogo [7d\]: w must connect at L3
ibd [9k?\]: who's ahead? w?
wintogo [7d\]: it is a sente
Karcusrd [7k\]: Ugly mental head
velmu [1d\]: what it sente
wintogo [7d\]: to kill the stone N2
gogonuts [4d\]: true, but it makes the center group weaker
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;W[ih]C[luda [11k\]: big move
Tiny81 [5k\]: moyo here we come ;-)
Karcusrd [7k\]: dont mention that idiot here please
climbtrees [6k\]: g10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: EuroGoTV welcomes zanty as its newest VIP-member
OnTheWay [7k\]: h10
Gresil [-\]: no moyo there
gogonuts [4d\]: that move looks a little optimistic to me
Porkypine [8k\]: :O
IceSpectre [8k\]: g11 
mperahia [3k\]: why didnt dinerchtein became a sports pro...he could run more
Karcusrd [7k\]: see i told H12
mcw85 [7k\]: Stream down
dimitar [2k\]: the video stopped! what did you do zanty!?
Karcusrd [7k\]: now too late
luda [11k\]: how to react to J12 ??
Soromon [1d\]: Black will probably reduce white on the bottom, L2
Chillijan [?\]: panic?
Onmyoji [2d\]: NO VIDEOO
Aiso [10k\]: i want video
IceSpectre [8k\]: g11 looks possible 
jinkidie [16k\]: ahhhhh
gogonuts [4d\]: time for the diner-troopers
globax [4d\]: f8?
Spiele1000 [3k\]: eurogo can you see the clocks?
alvar [7k\]: g11
OnTheWay [7k\]: now dinner has to count - and invade at the right spot - it will be game deciding if he invades too deep or too swallow
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;B[kr]C[emre35 [4d\]: how much time left for each other?
jinkidie [16k\]: video back
wintogo [7d\]: look at
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
wintogo [7d\]: black comes there
Aiso [10k\]: yee i can see
leger [1d\]: h7 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: if he can make that group run there will be no center
jinkidie [16k\]: Ka'plah!
hylie [4d\]: great minds think alike. :)
alvar [7k\]: odds?
jinkidie [16k\]: video gone
Chassidic [2k\]: g8 
alvar [7k\]: g11
dimitar [2k\]: i blame it on the boogie
hylie [4d\]: black can reduce white's moyo in several ways
wintogo [7d\]: i think black is better now
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh tv feed
dimitar [2k\]: tv working now
hylie [4d\]: o1 is also possibe at some point for b
wintogo [7d\]: black is ahead
leger [1d\]: g6 maybe
SergeyASh [12k\]: l2 seems small :-|
OnTheWay [7k\]: what says TOM?
gogonuts [4d\]: h8 possible?
leger [1d\]: h7 or g6 for me
qgo [4k\]: o 7 now ?
alvar [7k\]: What are odds?
hylie [4d\]: I heard Hwang Inseong is a former insei. So, he's probably a top amateur in Korea.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: broadcast window is not working
hylie [4d\]: The rest of the guys here are around his strength.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: do you still have tv feed?
Draak [1d\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: It went again.
jinkidie [16k\]: it just died third time
dimitar [2k\]: went down again
gogonuts [4d\]: broadcast window is having lunch
]
;W[gm]C[hylie [4d\]: g5=
hylie [4d\]: ?
A1R [8k\]: 6dan in korea is in-seong i think
gogonuts [4d\]: this could turn into a war
wintogo [7d\]: how about insei who is now?
alvar [7k\]: h10?
jinkidie [16k\]: now the wall counts
gogonuts [4d\]: h6
leger [1d\]: black j8 ?
hylie [4d\]: are korean inseis allowed to play in amateur tournaments?
kukulis4 [2d\]: black h6
hylie [4d\]: or do they have time?
alvar [7k\]: in hikaru they weren't :)
wintogo [7d\]: yes
wintogo [7d\]: i think so
Tiny81 [5k\]: h9
kumbhaka [3d\]: time?
Hanne [3k\]: h9 too deep
luda [11k\]: broadcast window is having lunch, and Dinerchtein is having dinner !
alvar [7k\]: odds?
dimitar [2k\]: dinnertime
hylie [4d\]: heck, if only had i found go ten years before i did (at 19 years of age)...
alvar [7k\]: TOM is having supper?
wintogo [7d\]: we cannot say former is top ama...
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;B[jl]C[gogonuts [4d\]: lucky you, iwas 23
jinkidie [16k\]: btw Kim Il Jong is undefeated at go
alvar [7k\]: insei<18
luda [11k\]: oh 
luda [11k\]: didn't know that
Nyanjilla [-\]: please keep political figures out of this
Q161 [13k?\]: isnt insei for koren kenkyuusei and not insei?
Q161 [13k?\]: korean*
gogonuts [4d\]: those that defeated him did not live to tell the tale
hylie [4d\]: would you say there are maybe hundreds or even thousands of amateurs stronger than eunkuk kim in korea?
Karcusrd [7k\]: yes please do
Hanne [3k\]: communism = 226
ApplePie [5d\]: white has clear lead
Timshel [1d\]: 226?
Youssev [5d\]: clear ?
SergeyASh [12k\]: h9 ?
seolki [8d\]: if someone become a vip in eurogotv, what is a privilige? ^^
kukulis4 [2d\]: not so clear
luda [11k\]: we consider him not as a political figure but as a go player
Q161 [13k?\]: some people going to get booted >.<
Nyanjilla [-\]: enough
wintogo [7d\]: kenkyuusei is insei
Porkypine [8k\]: Oh man, just as I was going to make a witty remark 
Porkypine [8k\]: *cries*
Q161 [13k?\]: yeah but for korea
climbtrees [6k\]: hanky to Ppine
Q161 [13k?\]: its the japanese insei that dont play amatuer tournaments
alvar [7k\]: why poltical figure?
leger [1d\]: h8, is it too shy ?
seolki [8d\]: i dont think so hylie
jinkidie [16k\]: hm w seems to have made 30 points against black's 10
Hanne [3k\]: h9 and done
docJ [7k\]: w-h9?
OnTheWay [7k\]: h9
Soromon [1d\]: h9 neglects the bottom group though
Onmyoji [2d\]: kim jong il controls kgs too, so its not wise to talk bad about him here
leger [1d\]: i like my h8 better than h9
RedQueen [5d\]: k8 cries out 'I am winning'
kukulis4 [2d\]: speaking about politics is a bad manier like swearing or something simmilar
luda [11k\]: excellent point Onmyoji !
Soromon [1d\]: k8 makes white go back to k2 I think
Onmyoji [2d\]: i was kicked right after i said that
RedQueen [5d\]: maybe also covering white p7 attack a bit
Youssev [5d\]: yes game seems to me close, even slightly better for B
ColdFront [4k\]: HOw did you come back then?
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;W[hk]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: because i didnt get banned
hylie [4d\]: i would imagine kim eunkuk and the rest of the korean 7d's here are maybe among the 100 best amateurs in korea
jinkidie [16k\]: last game it looked like diner's opponent was gonna score big late too, but it did not happen
Nyanjilla [-\]: next time is a boot, not a kick
gogonuts [4d\]: oh, i lost my connection for suggesting he doenst like to lose?
ramborocky [8k\]: b+r
KoReNJe [3d\]: n15 comes in action now
Q161 [13k?\]: is video feed working for anyone?
dimitar [2k\]: nope still down
gogonuts [4d\]: h9 looks natural
seolki [8d\]: but not many players are definitely better than them
b5ker: s5 is his best option
KoReNJe [3d\]: or something
Karcusrd [7k\]: W save arzz with that play
kukulis4 [2d\]: what does black now ?
gogonuts [4d\]: b had to expect H9, so were is his plan?
Youssev [5d\]: K2
Hoyuk [12k\]: is e13 good?
Soromon [1d\]: j2?
seolki [8d\]: k8 seems to soft
Aiso [10k\]: plsss give video
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;B[hn]C[ColdFront [4k\]: b loses now?
b5ker: WOAH
dimitar [2k\]: g2 group is dead!
b5ker: Check that out, nice move.
kukulis4 [2d\]: not yet
taoyan [2k\]: is it?
b5ker: He's got him on the ropes
gogonuts [4d\]: a kill would do fine for b :-)
ZeroCool [3k\]: the most active way
qgo [4k\]: tsume problem
Bembelbote [-\]: what's the difference between boot and kick? 
]
;W[jr]C[hylie [4d\]: it's close and up to very careful play now
Q161 [13k?\]: oooo
b5ker: You wear boots.
dimitar [2k\]: white is alive now
Karcusrd [7k\]: B should have h12 a long time before
Youssev [5d\]: tsume go ?
Q161 [13k?\]: now i get k8 :)
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably white will not die, but for the life black will invade the center
qgo [4k\]: tsume-problem solved
wintogo [7d\]: white alive?
HandA [1k\]: F1 first probably
Vibration [7k\]: alive
GoIsBoring [1d\]: w alive
gogonuts [4d\]: boot is verb and noun, kick only verb
dimitar [2k\]: i think seki
RedQueen [5d\]: if w lives then h6 looks like a loss
hylie [4d\]: i think white lives but his territory will be greatly diminished
jinkidie [16k\]: kick is noun too
]
;B[hm]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: plzz giev video
Youssev [5d\]: pity that W did not exchange D1 C1 before
hylie [4d\]: black moyo will suffer
kukulis4 [2d\]: white is not alive
hylie [4d\]: still close
seolki [8d\]: i think b should have played more tough
gogonuts [4d\]: hm, true - so one is a thing and the other an action
Karcusrd [7k\]: D1C1 thats USGC
gogonuts [4d\]: b needs a great result at the bottom
mcw85 [7k\]: DId Taranu win?
Youssev [5d\]: White has to live now
]
;W[fm]C[Nak0r [4k\]: yes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes Catalin Won
gogonuts [4d\]: should b have played h6 right away instead og k8?
abak [2k\]: o13 
]
;B[hl]
;W[gk]C[Youssev [5d\]: hum
abak [2k\]: or o15 
Youssev [5d\]: H5 severe no ?
Timshel [1d\]: i think b can kill
qgo [4k\]: and Van Zeijst? did he win ?
jinkidie [16k\]:  b e13 d13 e14  worth a try?
dimitar [2k\]: video back!
Porkypine [8k\]: yay video
Cornel [7d\]: yes, i resigned
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
gogonuts [4d\]: w is acting like the bottom is safe
mcw85 [7k\]: Awesome, Catalin.
gogonuts [4d\]: he played quickly too
HandA [1k\]: Cornel left lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: that was sweating
]
;B[ho]
;W[hp]C[qgo [4k\]: thanks Euro for the fat repair action
Karcusrd [7k\]: B5 ...6
qgo [4k\]: fast*
]
;B[io]C[ibd [9k?\]: fat
climbtrees [6k\]: "fat repair"  :)
kukulis4 [2d\]: lol
ibd [9k?\]: phat repair
Soromon [1d\]: Dooooom!
Gresil [-\]: h2?
alvar [7k\]: who wins?
qgo [4k\]: I meant fat = fast
ibd [9k?\]: f1
kukulis4 [2d\]: you
OnTheWay [7k\]: f1?
dimitar [2k\]: this looks a bit like door group
]
;W[hr]C[Pottu [3k\]: h2 or j2
kukulis4 [2d\]: white should f1 before
gogonuts [4d\]: h2
qgo [4k\]: how funny you all are
gogonuts [4d\]: wont die
Soromon [1d\]: now looks like seki
qgo [4k\]: lol?
Arhiman [2k\]: seki
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 8  W 12 minutes left
dimitar [2k\]: w can live w/o seki i think
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Black needs f1 for seki
globax [4d\]: f1
ColdFront [4k\]: j3 j4 
gogonuts [4d\]: not even seki
kukulis4 [2d\]: f1 is gote
Komachi [3k\]: Black J 1?
lth [-\]: something wrong with camera feed?
gogonuts [4d\]: setback for b
evave [4k\]: no seki
Q161 [13k?\]: should be fine now Ith
RedQueen [5d\]: b should f1 to get a couple of points
OnTheWay [7k\]: f1 j3
globax [4d\]: later, f1 threat a seki
ColdFront [4k\]: j1 is nice
RedQueen [5d\]: but k8 is not looking so clever
CsehAndrei [3k\]: w dead?
globax [4d\]: and it's w sente
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;B[fs]C[evave [4k\]: j1 does nothing
gogonuts [4d\]: no lunch was good strategy for w
globax [4d\]: :)
]
;W[iq]C[seolki [8d\]: but w gains so many point in the center
TheCamelo [4k\]: '-'
wintogo [7d\]: oh
OnTheWay [7k\]: hehe
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
Tiny81 [5k\]: f1 j3 w alive?
wintogo [7d\]: J3 is bad
ColdFront [4k\]: ?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: W alive
seolki [8d\]: actually unexpected territory
globax [4d\]: j4 better
globax [4d\]: w lost one point
KoReNJe [3d\]: w wins now
seolki [8d\]: think caputre is better for w
gogonuts [4d\]: now pretty close on the board, isnt it?
]
;B[dg]
;W[eg]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: seolki: what capture ?
Onmyoji [2d\]: w got too big centtter
Q161 [13k?\]: f1 misread?
Onmyoji [2d\]: ;E
docJ [7k\]: did catalin win?
wintogo [7d\]: white should take the black stone F1
globax [4d\]: o, i see
Sbetsho [8k\]: What is this? I see bunch of stones on a grid
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes DocJ
globax [4d\]: b5 big
evanj [2d\]: why is the EGC camera so much better than than USGC one?? :\\
matus10 [2k\]: euro time?
kukulis4 [2d\]: seolki: what stone color is at B4 ?
docJ [7k\]: thx
globax [4d\]: and still k18
seolki [8d\]: w wins almost
Fenix [2d\]: how could b give w that much territory
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: more then a 1000 dollar difference
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: camera
gogonuts [4d\]: big failure for b
matus10 [2k\]: time?
seolki [8d\]: g2
]
;B[rf]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: похоже кресла там неудобные. Парни постоянно крутятся
]
;W[ph]C[globax [4d\]: k18 time
A1R [8k\]: how much time left??
XY0908 [-\]: Can I have the live-feed video again please. Sorry.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks.
Aiso [10k\]: динер постоянно входит в свою позу потом выходит потом опять входит
Onmyoji [2d\]: b+14.5
Q161 [13k?\]: ...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for VIP-members like you i will do anything XY0908
broiler [5d?\]: L18 looks big
alvar [7k\]: b + Inf
kukulis4 [2d\]: what is anything ?
Nak0r [4k\]: n15 ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a lot^^
evanj [2d\]: you feeling any better eurogotv1?
Lentyi [2k\]: lol
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, still headache
Onmyoji [2d\]: :((
Tiny81 [5k\]: @EuroGo: how many VIPs are there till now?
gogonuts [4d\]: coffee wont help?
Fenix [2d\]: J11
leger [1d\]: I count w+4.5
Q161 [13k?\]: coffee makes headaches worse..
SergeyASh [12k\]: где, в каком месте проходит матч?
evanj [2d\]: ah, usgc game is about to begin
lose100 [1d\]: they in byo-yomi yet?
svrcd [?\]: посмотри на титул окошка)
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;B[bn]C[docJ [7k\]: 011?
svrcd [?\]: а потом в инфо транслятора
matus10 [2k\]: eurogo time???
]
;W[cn]C[gogonuts [4d\]: not so, there is actually caffeine in some pain medicines
ibd [9k?\]: o1
docJ [7k\]: gess not
Tulkas [12k\]: o
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 3 W 11 minutes left
Soromon [1d\]: 9k is right, take it while sente lasts
maxp73 [3d\]: O1?
matus10 [2k\]: thx
Q161 [13k?\]: thats because it constricts blood flow
ibd [9k?\]: :)
Draak [1d\]: thats because paracetamol make s you sleepy gogo
wheelchair [1k\]: l18?
Onmyoji [2d\]: b18 
ramborocky [8k\]: caffine brings your blood presure up^^
SergeyASh [12k\]: спасибо ). В Голландии значица
herminator [2d?\]: heb je je broodje al, Harry?
kukulis4 [2d\]: k18 big
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nee
guest1337: time?
herminator [2d?\]: grr. komt eraan
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
SergeyASh [12k\]: а какой у них счет по раундам?
svrcd [?\]: динеру надо выигрывать. все конкуренты свои партии выиграли (
abak [2k\]: n15 for b?
wintogo [7d\]: Seolki is strong
Porkypine [8k\]: Ik lust ook wel een broodje! :O Woon maar 2 uur van groningen af, kom je hem brengen? :(
svrcd [?\]: таблица турнира на сайте конгресса 
evanj [2d\]: n15 doesn't work
Fenix [2d\]: J11
OnTheWay [7k\]: SE counts funny
tomasinski [2k\]: if n15 cant cut than it is better to play l18 right?
qgo [4k\]: by heli new haring from amsterdam
evanj [2d\]: yes
]
;B[bo]C[abak [2k\]: n15 m16 o13 then?
ramborocky [8k\]: who said there wont be any territory o
ramborocky [8k\]: in the middle
maxp73 [3d\]: what
Spiele1000 [3k\]: b5?
evanj [2d\]: then n14, abak
kukulis4 [2d\]: b5 ..
wheelchair [1k\]: k18?
wintogo [7d\]: K 18?
docJ [7k\]: how much time given for byo yomi moves?
maxp73 [3d\]: K18 bigger
wintogo [7d\]: yes
Q161 [13k?\]: 1 min
kukulis4 [2d\]: why not k18 ?
Hanne [3k\]: who said this would be a fighting game?
docJ [7k\]: ok  thx
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Seolki, do yo think that white is still ahead?
sensemaker [4d\]: this game still hasnt finished?
]
;W[mq]
;B[lq]
;W[ms]C[evanj [2d\]: how long has it be going on?
wintogo [7d\]: oh
Karcusrd [7k\]: EuroGoTV1 you web site is just the worst for login in
evanj [2d\]: been*
Soromon [1d\]: Why didn't he take o1 before? x.X
njispgs: alex du bist doof
Draak [1d\]: 5 hours 
abak [2k\]: thx i misreaded
kenjiro43 [7k\]: doof?
evanj [2d\]: woof
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably if not b5, white would make a threat to make a ko to group C11
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: why bad?
seolki [8d\]: i will be vip in eurogotv, but what is a privilege for vip? ^^
wintogo [7d\]: oh
Nexik [3d\]: black is loosing in endgame
njispgs: alexander breitenstein
]
;B[lr]C[Lentyi [2k\]: Oo
seolki [8d\]: b must have played there
mcw85 [7k\]: It's not bad at all. Just click on the video link, it directs you to log-in then it directs you right back to video.
evanj [2d\]: i don't know if this is what he is talking about, but for me it says "wrong password" even if the login is successful
wintogo [7d\]: M 2 is better than M3
fantastigo [2d\]: aber er schlägt sich ganz gut
maxp73 [3d\]: yes...
leger [1d\]: w g1 seems okay
leger [1d\]: or b18 probably
Karcusrd [7k\]: me also
taoyan [2k\]: seolki, because it is sente?
k43r [1k\]: b18
Icare [1d\]: k18
leger [1d\]: yeah, k18 better than b18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls write an email about it; first time i hear this
seolki [8d\]: sure 
blueshoe [2k\]: b5 is so weak
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i cannot fix it now
Karcusrd [7k\]: yrs evanj  thasts what it does
mcw85 [7k\]: I never have any problems with the log-in.
OnTheWay [7k\]: dinner counting
emre35 [4d\]: m2 isnt better than m3 
Q161 [13k?\]: arent they on byoyomi yet?
Spiele1000 [3k\]: isn't b18 big?
alvar [7k\]: if b does nothing he loses
leger [1d\]: b18 is big, but k18 looks sente maybe
Matyi: b16 better
]
;W[jm]C[alvar [7k\]: 150:00
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b in byomi
RedQueen [5d\]: l18 is about 5 points
alvar [7k\]: so there is something wrong with clock
]
;B[ik]
;W[ij]C[Q161 [13k?\]: i guess k8 was bad 
seolki [8d\]: impossible to pay to komi
Karcusrd [7k\]: is this on ustream
k43r [1k\]: l18 > k18
evanj [2d\]: ah, us game has started...
crummy [1d\]: b n15 w m15 b o12 how does white save its group
taoyan [2k\]: seolki, you say b has more points now?
k43r [1k\]: o12 is in place already
leger [1d\]: last i counted was w 4.5
]
;B[if]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: i cant see us game
juststupid [1d\]: i counted w+2
leger [1d\]: but pro often do better than amateurs on yoe
leger [1d\]: 8yose
dsa4: ask TB ☺
ibou [7k\]: is the catalin taranu vs Jun-Sang Youn game over
alvar [7k\]: f14
evanj [2d\]: it's not up here yet, but it has started
evanj [2d\]: should be up any second
Youssev [5d\]: K18 or B18 huge
TheBard [5d\]: taranu won
Lukan [4d\]: catalin won
seolki [8d\]: w build too much unexpecterble territory in ther center
evanj [2d\]: kim 8p vs juyong koh
Onmyoji [2d\]: where
jinkidie [16k\]: JinkiScor O Matic b+1
leger [1d\]: i'm a fan of juyong koh, i recommend his games to you all
mcw85 [7k\]: USGO1
Tulkas [12k\]: evanj is ok.... we got it..
seolki [8d\]: so how is catarin's result?
gogonuts [4d\]: yes, b acted like he had an attack at the bottom
A1R [8k\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
seolki [8d\]: 7or 8 winning?
Tiny81 [5k\]: catarin won his game
TheBard [5d\]: 6/8
seolki [8d\]: i know but total result
sameasyou [2d\]: is this still playing?
leger [1d\]: juyong koh hasn't lost in us congress yet, in 6 matches, he only plays pro from now on
lonsan [1k\]: pros are like morning warmup for koh
Q161 [13k?\]: what about bbw?
OnTheWay [7k\]: time plz
lonsan [1k\]: bbw also 6-0
Q161 [13k?\]: ^_^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
taoyan [2k\]: seolki, why is white thinking, are there other moves but J13? 
evanj [2d\]: i can see the game record on the recorder's screen at USGC, not sure why it's not up on kgs yet...
Mem0r3x [1k\]: j13 allows f14
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;W[ae]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: its  a death threat
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are banned because they dont give the correct EuroGoTV link
Q161 [13k?\]: rofl
]
;B[hg]
;W[gf]C[leger [1d\]: !?! banned by kgs ?
leger [1d\]: or you
Tulkas [12k\]: hehe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both
cbc1: what is white's follow up on the left?
]
;B[ig]C[seolki [8d\]: he might in the toilet and enjoy his frist big winning
Tulkas [12k\]: nice eurogotv
xiexieni [4d\]: by the masters of the internet
]
;W[hh]C[leger [1d\]: it's sad, but you must have your reasons
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
leger [1d\]: i enjoyed watching the relays
evanj [2d\]: leger: he is joking
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
emre35 [4d\]: h13 -4 points for w 
jinkidie [16k\]: k12 you need em bud
mcw85 [7k\]: EuroGO: I always provide the eurogo link for the USGC games. 8-)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i noticed!! many thanks
evanj [2d\]: ah, usgc is up
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know why they give a link with stupid ads
seolki [8d\]: why w didnt play j13 i dont understand
]
;B[bb]C[seolki [8d\]: its huge
Q161 [13k?\]: woa
Q161 [13k?\]: bbw is rematching?
yoshiro [3k\]: is oh che min still playing
mcw85 [7k\]: Because people are lazy and complain about the five second sign up.
TheBard [5d\]: oh chi-min won
alvar [7k\]: K10
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pls continue youw work mcw85
qgo [4k\]: p8?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and explain about ads
Vibration [7k\]: w is bbw ?
klabauter [2d\]: still not over?
]
;W[nm]C[OnTheWay [7k\]: a15 was bigger than b18?
mi1 [1k\]: no
]
;B[nl]C[play234 [-\]: who leads
anda [1k\]: hi
]
;W[qm]C[RikazeMA [24k?\]: Who's winning here?  I can't tell...
ticticboom [18k?\]: Alex
dakin [7d\]: how is ohchimin's result
USGO10 [-\]: Greetings to EuroGoTV and thanks from the US Go Congress!
ticticboom [18k?\]: I think
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
alvar [7k\]: s7
mi1 [1k\]: i think w is ahead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: good luck over there
mi1 [1k\]: 2-3 points
]
;B[pn]
;W[nn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: I think b is ahead now that w didn't play j13
USGO10 [-\]: Greay set-up; it's been working perfectly
qgo [4k\]: greetings to USGO from europe
RikazeMA [24k?\]: So it's still really close then?
klabauter [2d\]: B leading by a little`imo
uhuhjkg: christian tiemann lutscht
uhuhjkg: er lutscht
kukulis4 [2d\]: r8
ticticboom [18k?\]: N + 10 ?
pmrktp: a12 does nothing?
dakin [7d\]: how is Ohchimin's result
klabauter [2d\]: Laß ihn lutschen
kukulis4 [2d\]: and m9
]
;B[kl]C[mcw85 [7k\]: He won.
Sheeple [3k\]: he won against zhang
dimitar [2k\]: nooo
mi1 [1k\]: ;o
wintogo [7d\]: oh
wintogo [7d\]: black mistake
dakin [7d\]: total result
mcw85 [7k\]: And I am not happy abouy it!
]
;W[oi]C[mcw85 [7k\]: ;-/
Sheeple [3k\]: he has 2 losses
wintogo [7d\]: yes
dimitar [2k\]: we should console zhang
dakin [7d\]: thx
Arhiman [2k\]: p11 ???
wintogo [7d\]: lose
kukulis4 [2d\]: hoho
derPlumps [3d\]: P11 ?
Soromon [1d\]: o1 was 2 point sente tho - if black counts himself behind he can a8 ko for a connection underneath
Onmyoji [2d\]: loll
mcw85 [7k\]: You mean *I* should.
Arhiman [2k\]: oh ok
Lukan [4d\]: nice move
wintogo [7d\]: two stones
ticticboom [18k?\]: what about the time?
Tiny81 [5k\]: what is the idea of the move?
FreeDoom [1d\]: nice
dimitar [2k\]: theres no me in i
k43r [1k\]: maybe error in sgf?
Arhiman [2k\]: w will q8 ?
]
;B[pl]C[FreeDoom [1d\]: w+r?
]
;W[ni]C[qgo [4k\]: eunkuk sharp
k43r [1k\]: woah?
kukulis4 [2d\]: w+
sameasyou [2d\]: auch
play234 [-\]: huuuge
wintogo [7d\]: it is sente
pmrktp: even 7d said lose 2 stones :)
jinkidie [16k\]: atari
kukulis4 [2d\]: black forced to play O15
]
;B[ne]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: seems w can win! 
ticticboom [18k?\]: What about time
kukulis4 [2d\]: white k18
ticticboom [18k?\]: ?
derPlumps [3d\]: is eunkuk kim a pro?
mperahia [3k\]: sure
Sheeple [3k\]: no
mcw85 [7k\]: I don't get that move.
taoyan [2k\]: he o ly beats them
derPlumps [3d\]: hehe
wintogo [7d\]: all black is dead
]
;W[jb]C[seolki [8d\]: many point win by w
RedQueen [5d\]: l8 should r8
]
;B[ib]
;W[lb]C[Gattsu [8k\]: not really :) s16 alive
kukulis4 [2d\]: w+
]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]C[ramborocky [8k\]: hehe, breakfast can go for dinner now^^
ramborocky [8k\]: looser :)
Gattsu [8k\]: hehehe
Mem0r3x [1k\]: a8 time
]
;B[fn]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: ok b lost
dimitar [2k\]: hes gonna kill c6 group
taoyan [2k\]: they did both great, no shame in losing
]
;W[en]C[pmrktp: what about w a12?
wintogo [7d\]: oh
pmrktp: how to respond it
Vibration [7k\]: respect ramborocky plz
sameasyou [2d\]: so the race for the european title is still on!!!
Onmyoji [2d\]: resign time
Youssev [5d\]: SO CLOSE
derPlumps [3d\]: i do respect him, vib
Youssev [5d\]: so close
seolki [8d\]: does someone give me a link where i can see a total result in EGC?
RedQueen [5d\]: a17 quite big
]
;B[ac]
;W[ad]C[TheBard [5d\]: egc2009.nl
]
;B[ab]C[sameasyou [2d\]: Dinerstein, Catalin, van Zeijst and Pop are still fighting it
bolbi [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
]
;W[bd]C[Pata [6k\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
]
;B[af]C[baian [1d\]: onmoyoji why are you dressed like sai ?
]
;W[al]C[plusguy [-\]: tbh id really hate seeing eunkuk win the egc
plusguy [-\]: i want dinerchtein to win
just9x9 [-\]: ilya is out for the title race?
plusguy [-\]: :p
Onmyoji [2d\]: i am sai
SergeyASh [12k\]: i think now every point important
bensenseii [-\]: A 12 time
]
;B[bj]
;W[gs]C[Sheeple [3k\]: in-seong has good chances
Hanne [3k\]: i think it's cool if amateur wins
Gattsu [8k\]: precisely
FreeDoom [1d\]: many amatour as pro strenght
sensemaker [4d\]: not korean amateur tho
wintogo [7d\]: white lead
jinkidie [16k\]: Euro can u get an official score after the game?
bobstep [2k?\]: what is bbw's name?
ticticboom [18k?\]: W + 40
Onmyoji [2d\]: its not cool, europeans have to defend against this korean invasion to egc!!
mcw85 [7k\]: Andy Liu
k23 [2k\]: why not sensemaker?
sensemaker [4d\]: andy liu
Arhiman [2k\]: andy liu
kukulis4 [2d\]: nothing to do
evave [4k\]: m9 ?
Gattsu [8k\]: btw are ex-pros considered amateurs ?
bobstep [2k?\]: thx
]
;B[ds]C[Sheeple [3k\]: you can't be ex-pro
]
;W[eo]C[Gattsu [8k\]: considering sometimes they let the "profession" go
Gattsu [8k\]: of course you can
ramborocky [8k\]: alex is crying ^^
Sheeple [3k\]: still keep the pro rank
Gattsu [8k\]: i see
sensemaker [4d\]: why cant i SE?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
XY0908 [-\]: Pros are like the Marines.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Didn't Dinerchtein lose his game the other day too?
FreeDoom [1d\]: w +9.5
]
;B[ja]
;W[ka]C[Sheeple [3k\]: dinerchtein has 1 loss, good chances.
ramborocky [8k\]: what the shame to the pro world!!
Soromon [1d\]: m17 first?
Yippie [2d\]: ...
seolki [8d\]: wow thoma won against catarin!
RikazeMA [24k?\]: I think it was Gronigen that beat him...?
]
;B[ia]C[Gattsu [8k\]: i got it!
Gattsu [8k\]: i know why alex lost...
]
;W[lk]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: why ?
Q161 [13k?\]: k8
seolki [8d\]: is this really last rounds?
bensenseii [-\]: Yes seolki
Sheeple [3k\]: groningen is the place the tournament is at
Sheeple [3k\]: 2 more rounds
Gattsu [8k\]: he's trying to imitate ryuzaki ... aka .. L 
bensenseii [-\]: Aw
Gattsu [8k\]: but he;s only keeping one knee up
RyuuGan [3k\]: =)
dimitar [2k\]: needs more chocolate
Gattsu [8k\]: and doesn't consume sweets..
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Geert, then, whatever.
Onmyoji [2d\]: w+55.5
bensenseii [-\]: Maybe Thomas is better than Alex
seolki [8d\]: i think there are 10 rounds always
dimitar [2k\]: and hair
bensenseii [-\]: =p
]
;B[rm]
;W[ql]C[Sheeple [3k\]: yes
wintogo [7d\]: before white could kill the black group
Q161 [13k?\]: how many byoyomi periods does b have?
TheLorax [3k\]: ... has this game been going on for five hours?
Chassidic [2k\]: these are big moves
ColdFront [4k\]: this is really depressing, I wanted b to win
OnTheWay [7k\]: n8
globax [4d\]: should protect m8
Chassidic [2k\]: k10 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1x1 minute
Sheeple [3k\]: last byo?!
globax [4d\]: l7?
Gresil [-\]: only byo
]
;B[ll]C[globax [4d\]: :)
Arwenia [1d\]: w+15 maybe
Peks [2d\]: I think white is winning by 3 points
Badduck [5d\]: who is winning?
]
;W[mk]C[Mope: Все таки зевнул
ramborocky [8k\]: last chance to loose with honor!
seolki [8d\]: there are many strong players, i thought 10 rounds is better system
RyuuGan [3k\]: он... да бывает
ColdFront [4k\]: w by 7ish
evave [4k\]: r6 
Lentyi [2k\]: что?
]
;B[ml]C[Gattsu [8k\]: t7 
Sheeple [3k\]: seolki: it is 10 rounds
ligeti [1k\]: seolki, this is round 8/10
]
;W[jk]C[ColdFront [4k\]: maybe 10-ish now :S
Gattsu [8k\]: t7 better than dame...
XY0908 [-\]: So all players have to play 10 games?
Mope: Everything looked so 
geruempel [3k\]: top group has to
gandhi [5k?\]: some play only 5
sameasyou [2d\]: w more than 10 points ahead, isn't it?
schwing [1k\]: if they want to win
ligeti [1k\]: its not that you have to :)
gandhi [5k?\]: first week, or second
taoyan [2k\]: yes i think even ahead without komi
]
;B[il]C[schwing [1k\]: as I count @sameasyou, yes
]
;W[jh]C[gandhi [5k?\]: there are that do that, actually
antonk [4k\]: second
Mope: sorry, won 
Mem0r3x [1k\]: g8 / d5 
]
;B[jc]
;W[kb]C[seolki [8d\]: sorry but someone said this is last round
]
;B[gl]C[Gattsu [8k\]: k10 
]
;W[fl]C[XY0908 [-\]: If B loses the game, what was the most significant losing move?
TeeSushi [3d\]: w won this ... not sure if alex wants to count or will resign though
sameasyou [2d\]: not last round...there are 2 more
sameasyou [2d\]: on friday and saturday
]
;B[do]
;W[dn]
;B[cf]
;W[ef]C[zanty [6k\]: w+10
suckmydi: blubb
sameasyou [2d\]: Alex is playing the small moves...he will count
seolki [8d\]: should be k8
Onmyoji [2d\]: i count w+53.5
TeeSushi [3d\]: i think o17 was a losing move
Revenje [3d\]: hope we see  direr vs taranu next  2 rounds
suckmydi: opfers
ticticboom [18k?\]: black B 10 groupe s dead ?
Djaian [3k\]: seolki, i think you said "thomas won against Catalin" and then "is this the last round?" Someone answered you "yes"
XY0908 [-\]: Yea, I think the same, seolki.
SergeyASh [12k\]: k10 ?
Djaian [3k\]: but he answered about the Thomas vs Catalin game
Karcusrd [7k\]: all that would have been stoped with H12
monk316 [1k\]: b should have moved in sooner into g10 area i think
erkkierkki [7k\]: how much they have time left?
]
;B[jj]
;W[kk]C[FreeDoom [1d\]: k6 not biggest
FreeDoom [1d\]: ?
]
;B[ki]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: Onmyoji you count?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: Can't k6
Onmyoji [2d\]: yes
qgo [4k\]: no resign = counting = ING rules fill in all dmae's and so on?
]
;W[kj]C[kumbhaka [3d\]: is twitter down?
seolki [8d\]: time is not important now, even if they only 5 seconds
jnhmsbn [2k?\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=schedule
PAUCHOK [?\]: 53.5?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: k6 l6 j6 l5 l7 m6 cut
FreeDoom [1d\]: hummm can't k6 :/
Onmyoji [2d\]: YESSS
]
;B[ji]
;W[ii]C[pmrktp: i remember b was talking about a game he won by playing a ko threat instead of taking ko with opponent being careless
OnTheWay [7k\]: b missed j11
XY0908 [-\]: seolki, where do you reside?
SergeyASh [12k\]: m11 
RyuuGan [3k\]: left is living
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i realy om kgs, igs and tom
mi1 [1k\]: w +5
TeeSushi [3d\]: w 55 pts maybe
kukulis4 [2d\]: white +4 on board +8 komi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 3 browsers
Sheeple [3k\]: tom too. hah
kukulis4 [2d\]: white +12
Sheeple [3k\]: how many obs on tom?
antonk [4k\]: w+48
schwing [1k\]: what's tom?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i cant read chinees
TeeSushi [3d\]: b i count 44 pts
PAUCHOK [?\]: the mistery of SE reveiled. SE is Onmyoji
seolki [8d\]: currently Korea ^^
Mukti [4d\]: I count w about 15 ahead
kryft [1k?\]: Looks like white made good use of his thickness on the left side after all.
dantesxx [5k\]: "chinese", Harry ;)
pmrktp: so he is likely to play this game to the end, trying all possible ways to win, including blunders
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;B[sm]C[taoyan [2k\]: tomtom is chinese yaho kinda side, with big go section
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;W[ep]
;B[eq]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: i count 11 pts difference
schwing [1k\]: ty taoyan
XY0908 [-\]: Thanks, seolki.
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;W[sq]C[ticticboom [18k?\]: could some one said me whether  B10 s dead or not
seolki [8d\]: i think bad manner that resigning now
TeeSushi [3d\]: b10 is alive
schwing [1k\]: alive
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: alive
baian [1d\]: not dead
Gnou [10k\]: alive
XY0908 [-\]: The lady in the background must have some important meeting soon.
ramborocky [8k\]: bad manner not to resign before
kukulis4 [2d\]: b10 alive with 6 points
Kohalander [14k\]: and i suppose that there is no seki there, isn't it?
Jupeli [10k?\]: SE has it's own opinion about b10 :D
ticticboom [18k?\]: why so C Goban say it s dead
kukulis4 [2d\]: w+r
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;B[ln]C[wornof [1d\]: ticticboom: It woudl be alive if black played A12 or B12, yes? Since black chooses not to do so, it must already be alive
TeeSushi [3d\]: why is resigning now bad manner?
just9x9 [-\]: a12 b12 miai there
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;W[ko]C[leachy [13k\]: never bad manners to play to the end
xiexieni [4d\]: lies
ramborocky [8k\]: the koreans will put the end on the so-called pro world!!
Badduck [5d\]: too late teesushi
dimitar [2k\]: black should play a ko for a big group
TeeSushi [3d\]: if you are behind 50 pts then not resigning is bad manner in my oppinion
]
;B[jg]
;W[sp]C[badukwang [3k\]: T13
jnhmsbn [2k?\]: 50 pts?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: every move i have to make 3 mooves
wintogo [7d\]: it's time to resign
]
;B[ro]C[donGoku [5k\]: who must resign?
TeeSushi [3d\]: w is ahead 11pts by my counts .... 50 pts was just an example
donGoku [5k\]: b or w?
bensenseii [-\]: B
ramborocky [8k\]: hehe
nuBO [2k\]: no time to count
kukulis4 [2d\]: black must resign
wintogo [7d\]: black
Kukker [5k\]: b
Karcusrd [7k\]: proceessing the result before the end is rude
ramborocky [8k\]: co called pro must resign!
ramborocky [8k\]: so*
donGoku [5k\]: ok,im just arrived:)
seolki [8d\]: if he want, he should have resigned much 50 moves eariler than now
antonk [4k\]: w+13
donGoku [5k\]: hehe,3p failed
qgo [4k\]: resign or count
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;W[rg]C[antonk [4k\]: count
seolki [8d\]: too late now
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;B[sl]C[Fenix [2d\]: w+5?
]
;W[sf]C[ramborocky [8k\]: pro is to proud
bensenseii [-\]: he seems to be bad 3p
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;B[rd]C[geruempel [3k\]: paly till the end ... count till the end !
wintogo [7d\]: it is not rude
marwan [3d\]: w+10
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;W[bm]
;B[sk]
;W[sj]
;B[se]
;W[sg]C[seolki [8d\]: he'd better play and finish
Arhiman [2k\]: m1
dxxd [-\]: why are you so disrespectful...he's the best european player
Karcusrd [7k\]: no rude in all plays possible
allonzo [6k\]: dxxd: he's not
Sheeple [3k\]: taranu is better
Shock1989 [2d?\]: everyone have bad game, Dinerchtein strong anyway
drauglir [2d\]: the best european player should know when to resign
allonzo [6k\]: Catalin is European Champion 
bensenseii [-\]: dxxd: Alexandre isn't
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;B[js]
;W[is]C[allonzo [6k\]: and better ranked
kukulis4 [2d\]: probably not this year
Onmyoji [2d\]: breakfast stronger than taranu
seolki [8d\]: he is playing not bad game i think
Orc [4d\]: Catalin lost to this korean guy already
allonzo [6k\]: kukulis: we'll see
TeeSushi [3d\]: for me 20 pts is the critical area to think about resigning not sth like 10-12 pts ... but im just a 2d so big difference to 7d and pro
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;B[an]C[allonzo [6k\]: Catalin won today against a korean
Fenix [2d\]: currently, dinerchtein seems strongest european player
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;W[ok]C[ZeNit [?\]: Come on, it's not like he's playing stupid moves hoping for W to screw up...
]
;B[ol]
;W[li]C[Badduck [5d\]: dinersteins 6th round game was quite good
matjet2 [3d?\]: love the way he's flapping his fan around
FishGo [3k\]: Seolki is Eunkuk Kim insei before?
jinkidie [16k\]: this is very nice for the beginners in the crowd
XY0908 [-\]: Is Mr. Kim a yungusaeng?
donGoku [5k\]: Kim stronger than Alexandre^^
SergeyASh [12k\]: w ~ +10
marwan [3d\]: dinerstein is strong, catalin is strong, u are weak so...
ligeti [1k\]: alex has won the title like 10 times, why should we argue :)
PAUCHOK [?\]: EuroGoTV1 are you playing on GKS under some other account? (In case I wanna play you) ^^
Komachi [3k\]: White + 17?
choboco [1k\]: they probably will even fill all libertys
choboco [1k\]: because its easier to score a real board then
Sheeple [3k\]: they will, it's ing
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;B[ks]C[choboco [1k\]: ah, its ing
choboco [1k\]: then anyway ;)
]
;W[mb]
;B[ma]C[seolki [8d\]: long long times ago ;D
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;W[lh]
;B[mf]
;W[np]C[marwan [3d\]: when u play the very last yose, u play until the end
uhuhjkg: A1R wird gerade abgezogen soo ein OPFER.
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;B[po]C[leachy [13k\]: maybe the difference TeeSushi is that a pro is focussed on the game and not on the outcome
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;W[pr]
;B[fs]C[taoyan [2k\]: Q2 is a 'i have won' move?
]
;W[ns]C[Sheeple [3k\]: no, it's i have to take move.
taoyan [2k\]: not now right?
Mem0r3x [1k\]: No q2 is 1 point for white.
RikazeMA [24k?\]: Yeah, seems better to finish out, make what good moves you can, and reflect on the why of losing after...
leachy [13k\]: was ist A1R?
mcw85 [7k\]: Q2 is I need to kill this move.
Sheeple [3k\]: no, but they're down to dame anyway
]
;B[jn]
;W[kn]C[dimitar [2k\]: how many points if b played q2 before
]
;B[im]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: If black takes it white will have to play 3 moves to kill him
]
;W[in]C[Yippie [2d\]: 0
Orc [4d\]: lol
kukulis4 [2d\]: same points on board + 3captured stones
PAUCHOK [?\]: what's that?
Orc [4d\]: blk made it a ko
taoyan [2k\]: so he could wait, and find sente moves right?
Arhiman [2k\]: j7 ??
TeeSushi [3d\]: interesing to play this ko
Onmyoji [2d\]: w big win
]
;B[gh]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: +3 captures +8 komi for white
marwan [3d\]: w+9
TeeSushi [3d\]: only possible in chinese scoring
]
;W[gi]C[monk316 [1k\]: this ko is weird
]
;B[jn]
;W[km]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: k6 ko is stupid
macgill [2k\]:  this ko is nothing
dimitar [2k\]: if b played q2 , after they play the dame around o1 group, w would have to play 3 moves to capture those stones
]
;B[in]
;W[es]C[TeeSushi [3d\]: or similar (ing) scoring
]
;B[fh]
;W[fi]
;B[fs]
;W[kq]
;B[lp]
;W[es]C[monk316 [1k\]: well, it looked like -.5 for b
]
;B[hj]
;W[hi]
;B[fs]
;W[qb]
;B[qa]
;W[es]
;B[fk]
;W[gj]
;B[fs]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: w+10
]
;W[mo]
;B[gn]C[baian [1d\]: hehe
]
;W[es]C[seolki [8d\]: i dont like b's behavoior like this
KoReNJe [3d\]: w made too much territory at e10
]
;B[em]
;W[el]
;B[fs]
;W[ip]
;B[dd]C[seolki [8d\]: this is not close game, no reason to play liket that
]
;W[es]C[bensenseii [-\]: Yes
pmrktp: is there a score diff. between japanese and in rules except last stone?
PAUCHOK [?\]: what's happening?
monk316 [1k\]: all that territory was not there at move 130
esko [2k\]: honor ko?
kukulis4 [2d\]: may be alexandre acting as if he doesnt see captured stones or  doesnt know about komi
ColdFront [4k\]: lol, breakfast is the awsome.
monk316 [1k\]: it just magically materialized
OnTheWay [7k\]: e11
Orc [4d\]: blk thinks maybe white make a mistake answering ko threat
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;B[dl]
;W[ek]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: if u cant win the game at least win the last ko
taoyan [2k\]: m17 is worth how much?
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;B[fs]C[Siasio [3d\]: oh
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;W[bh]
;B[ah]C[ecgotf [6k\]: 0
]
;W[es]C[baian [1d\]: first time i saw dame as ko threats was in some old Go Seigen games
Vibration [7k\]: w won?
Siasio [3d\]: d8 was a mistake
Enzan [4k\]: w won
Siasio [3d\]: -1 threat
jleone [5k\]: direchtein was rther lucky in the game he won agaist the korean guy few days ago
llII [2d\]: w+12
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;B[me]C[dimitar [2k\]: m17
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;W[ld]
;B[fs]
;W[la]
;B[na]
;W[es]C[Tiny81 [5k\]: how does dame as ko threats work?
leachy [13k\]: yeah seolki,  going along with "complicated" play is only going to play into black's hands
ColdFront [4k\]: dame as ko threat is pure crazy
Tiny81 [5k\]: I dont real get it
mcw85 [7k\]: Lucky?
TeeSushi [3d\]: because dame are 1 points
Vibration [7k\]: a12 its here for SE
choboco [1k\]: i dont think that on their elvel with 150 minutes each luck is a releant factor
pmrktp: blacks tesuji here: play two consequtive threats and w thinks he took the ko and plays his own ko threat and loses game
Draak [1d\]: dame 1point
Vibration [7k\]: lol
TeeSushi [3d\]: its like chinese scoring
baian [1d\]: ing or chinese counting a stone on the board is apoint
Nak0r [4k\]: R2
seolki [8d\]: but this is not 1 point game,
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;B[oo]
;W[fs]C[bensenseii [-\]: This is 10 pts game
baian [1d\]: true 
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;B[pa]C[qgo [4k\]: simplified ING rules
]
;W[qr]C[bensenseii [-\]: Approximatelu
Nyrckes [1k\]: r2 loses a point
]
;B[ak]
;W[mg]C[choboco [1k\]: the problem with ing is that its a pain for the palyers to count during game
bensenseii [-\]: *Approximately
jleone [5k\]: yeah, dd u see the game ?
Nak0r [4k\]: ok
mcw85 [7k\]: No/
nuBO [2k\]: W+10
Sheeple [3k\]: it's not really much different in results
Sheeple [3k\]: unless you have seki
Tiny81 [5k\]: ah! ok! ... so dame as ko works because of not using jap rules?
Enzan [4k\]: w+12.5/13.5
OnTheWay [7k\]: they play fast now ^^
seolki [8d\]: also needed special stone
PAUCHOK [?\]: EuroGoTV1 how do you keep up?
monk316 [1k\]: playing blitz
choboco [1k\]: usually its 5-10 points fdifferent from jap score
globax [4d\]: thank you eurogotv1
Siasio [3d\]: w+r
bensenseii [-\]: NO
Porkypine [8k\]: They're counting
bensenseii [-\]: They are counting
choboco [1k\]: so diner and catalin both 1 loss?
ramborocky [8k\]: i cant believe SE is counting thihs group as a dead
lepeksiy [-\]: w+12
Onmyoji [2d\]: it is dead
leachy [13k\]: who did catalin lose to??
dantesxx [5k\]: No it's not
DrakeBell [5d\]: 11
Onmyoji [2d\]: it is
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+11
Jupeli [10k?\]: SE can count anything as anything. :)
Sheeple [3k\]: 5-10 pts? you crazy?
juststupid [1d\]: catalin 2losses
PAUCHOK [?\]: someone must be clapping by now
donGoku [5k\]: Great job Kim!!!
TeeSushi [3d\]: wuho my count was right :D ... at some time at least xD
zanty [6k\]: group is alive
Lukan [4d\]: w+10,5
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks. Poor Alex. :`(
Arhiman [2k\]: p11 was big
sek33 [-\]: and you are 2d...
ramborocky [8k\]: hhhahahaha
k23 [2k\]: lol, yes
ramborocky [8k\]: pro?!
ramborocky [8k\]: hahahaha
k23 [2k\]: of course is alive
Draak [1d\]: thx eurogo
seolki [8d\]: thx for the players euro go as well
Yippie [2d\]: If people ask becasue of SE, rewrite the program instead of complaining plz
Janan [-\]: thanks for broadcoasting
Yippie [2d\]: thank you EuroGO
JYPPZ [5k?\]: thx Harry
ticticboom [18k?\]: Alex is about to cry
mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks, EGTV.
matjet2 [3d?\]: who is that talking?
dimitar [2k\]: what was official score?
OnTheWay [7k\]: final score?
jackyyan [1d\]: w+11.5
mcw85 [7k\]: Sad Alex lost. :-(
ticticboom [18k?\]: thks Euro Go
Aiso [10k\]: alex play tomorrow?
mcw85 [7k\]: W+11
jackyyan [1d\]: .5
mcw85 [7k\]: No.
Tiny81 [5k\]: no 0.5
eyeglass [?\]: is there a link to follow the congress?
Tiny81 [5k\]: because komi is 8
jackyyan [1d\]: ?
OnTheWay [7k\]: did they shake hands?
Tiny81 [5k\]: not 6.5 or 7.5
SergeyASh [12k\]: I am wonder as b lost, with so good position in start game. Looks main mistake - give w make moyo e11 
PAUCHOK [?\]: so Kim won.. Even though I don't like Alex so much I was hoping he'd win
dimitar [2k\]: :D
dimitar [2k\]: !!
jackyyan [1d\]: 6.5
jackyyan [1d\]: Japan
PAUCHOK [?\]: Japanese...
OnTheWay [7k\]: they didn t even look into each other s eyes it seemed
seolki [8d\]: bye harry, hope to cu soon
Tiny81 [5k\]: they didnt use jap rules
michka [1d\]: because b's position at the beginning was not so good
jackyyan [1d\]: w+11.5 ok?
jinkidie [16k\]: so the wall won
Sheeple [3k\]: 11. komi was even.
Tiny81 [5k\]: 11.0
Aiso [10k\]: komi 11?
Sheeple [3k\]: komi 8
SergeyASh [12k\]: SE w +10.5
Tiny81 [5k\]: no komi 8
Tiny81 [5k\]: w + 11
Aiso [10k\]: ok
Aiso [10k\]: thx
PAUCHOK [?\]: even komi, so what if it's even game in the end? a draw?
parkamiron [6k\]: w + 9
Tiny81 [5k\]: the official counting was w+ 11
Jadeite [?\]: PAUCHOK, do some research on Simplified ING rules, then you will know
PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah, that's much easier then just telling me the answer
qsorix [10k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngRules
SergeyASh [12k\]: game over?
PAUCHOK [?\]: um..
PAUCHOK [?\]: tx qsorix
PAUCHOK [?\]: dja
Komachi [3k\]: Thank you, EuroGoTV1.
eyeglass [?\]: does someone know where can I follow the results
eyeglass [?\]: ?
eyeglass [?\]: of the EGC
hirakawade [2d?\]: Hi Yoshida
ganryu [?\]: hi
DrakeBell [5d\]: Euro do you know what is the result in table 10?
MadGoWorld: WHAT THE SCORE HERE ?
MadGoWorld: oops sorry
MadGoWorld: ?
MadGoWorld: thaanks a lot all
MadGoWorld: so f**ckin  friendly
JeanVidToi [6k\]: w +11:)
holycarp [-\]: weak 3p..
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