(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 8 board 3]PW[Jun Sang-Youn]PB[Catalin Taranu]WR[7d]BR[5p]DT[2009-08-06]EV[main]RO[8]PC[Groningen, Netherlands]WT[KR]BT[RO]US[kamyszyn]C[Gary34 [4k?\]: :)
Gary34 [4k?\]: this should be a good one 
oddalot [7k\]: catalin needs to get with it, so he can play dinerstein
oddalot [7k\]: err...dinerchtein
uwaki [-\]: will this game be online?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: eurogotv broadcast only board 1
uwaki [-\]: I see... thanks
]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[cd]
;W[qp]
;B[op]
;W[oq]C[Shukai [1d\]: gonna root on the 7d
Shukai [1d\]: *root for
Shukai [1d\]: d before p 
Sakeus [17k\]: this game is on board 2 ?
ExplO [2d\]: board 3 as written on top
Sakeus [17k\]: oh
Sakeus [17k\]: >(
]
;B[nq]
;W[pq]C[Sakeus [17k\]: b n4 or m4 :)
xiaosugi [8d?\]: b c6
oddalot [7k\]: o4
Sakeus [17k\]: o4 slow :)
oddalot [7k\]: never heard of m4
oddalot [7k\]: seems like the cut would be too damaging
Uberdude [5d?\]: cut would be a ladder
pmrktp: can someone explain the idea behind black  c6?
Uberdude [5d?\]: o6 or o7 sometimes seen
Uberdude [5d?\]: pmrktp, it is a probe
Uberdude [5d?\]: to decide whether to play o4 or n4
pmrktp: probe asking what?
Uberdude [5d?\]: if w wants to play f3 or g3
Uberdude [5d?\]: if w f3
Uberdude [5d?\]: then b n4
pmrktp: i mean in any case b connects no matter what w plays no?
Uberdude [5d?\]: but which way to connect makes big difference
Uberdude [5d?\]: if b n4 then w r6 anbd b j3
Uberdude [5d?\]: then f3 would be better at g3
Uberdude [5d?\]: if w answers c6 at g3, then b won't n4
Uberdude [5d?\]: but o4
Uberdude [5d?\]: r6 k3
pmrktp: hmm, makes sense
pmrktp: ok thx
Uberdude [5d?\]: and now g3 would be better at h3 or f3
fatihsulak [2d\]: c6 seems normal here
xiaosugi [8d?\]: b c6, according to w responce ,next b n4 or o4
Uberdude [5d?\]: of course w can try other variations
pmrktp: what if w pincers c6?
Sakeus [17k\]: yea I was thinking about some sente :)
Uberdude [5d?\]: then f3 double approach
pmrktp: but then w gets sente to play o4
Uberdude [5d?\]: not necessarily
pmrktp: c6 c8 f3 d6 then?
Uberdude [5d?\]: c3
Terminator [7k\]: why not C6?
Uberdude [5d?\]: but b will play a way that if w tenuki he has bgood follow up
jim [6d\]: I hope Catalin will try fighting this game, white not so good at fighting
jleone [5k\]: hello, i have a question : 5p should be stronger than 7d amateur, isn't it ?
Terminator [7k\]: or D6?
Uberdude [5d?\]: no
Terminator [7k\]: 7d amateur can play as strong as pro
jim [6d\]: 7dan can be betweend 7dan amateur to 9dan pro
jleone [5k\]: :) 
Sakeus [17k\]: korean 7d are about 4 or 5 p 
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;B[nm]C[Terminator [7k\]: korean 5 years olds can eat all your stones
jleone [5k\]: i have never senn an amateur winning a big pro tournement 
Terminator [7k\]: see Aguilar games
Russianlll [4k\]: unless it's lee sedol
Shukai [1d\]: isn't this hard to use with two 4-3s?
]
;W[od]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: n16 
Russianlll [4k\]: quite fast they play in the begining.. 
Terminator [7k\]: B will develop the right side
jleone [5k\]: why an strong amateur like this would't try to fight for a very big prize (in japan) then ?
]
;B[ld]C[pmrktp: o7 not sente for r4?
Terminator [7k\]: haha
Terminator [7k\]: I allways choose the wrong side
Russianlll [4k\]: big prize? how big a prize is it in japan?
fatihsulak [2d\]: and i always choose the wrong point :-) 
jleone [5k\]: haha, very big > 100 000 euros
]
;W[qe]C[Russianlll [4k\]: for amateur tournament?
fatihsulak [2d\]: r15 aggresive
jleone [5k\]: i think they are not the permission to foght there ..am i wrong ?
falloutti [-\]: what is O7
]
;B[pe]C[jim [6d\]: Q15 for black
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;W[pd]
;B[qf]C[jleone [5k\]: fight, sorry
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;W[re]
;B[qc]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: classical joseki 
jim [6d\]: this joseki will be good with black R7
]
;W[rd]C[jim [6d\]: this move...........joseki?
legendia [2k\]: no but maybe
fatihsulak [2d\]: i was expecting s14 
Terminator [7k\]: noseki
legendia [2k\]: can complicated
legendia [2k\]: the situation
legendia [2k\]: and make some aji
legendia [2k\]: lol
jleone [5k\]: how much is the prize for the winner here ?
Kokono [19k\]: 1$
Saimon [1d\]: - taxes
jleone [5k\]: here at ECG2009 i mean
Sakeus [17k\]: 100 000 euro ?
oddalot [7k\]: 15,000?
pmrktp: let's see some spontaneous pro joseki punishment
jleone [5k\]: :) are u kidding ? 
biloba: is it the prize?
biloba: all prizes?
jleone [5k\]: what about b S17 ?
jim [6d\]: here I like to play S17 then think
fatihsulak [2d\]: is p15 bad? 
StefanRadu [2d?\]: salutare tuturor
uwaki [-\]: salut
einalem [4k\]: i thought, black s17 falls into white's trap
jleone [5k\]: how that ?
drojdie [2k?\]: s17 seems like a necessary move now, but i don't know the follow up
Nemerid [-\]: p15 or Q18
uwaki [-\]: it's not really a trap, each side takes something, it's only a matter of who gets what
einalem [4k\]: the normal white joseki move is s14 instead of s16
jleone [5k\]: i can't see good continuation for w if b s17
einalem [4k\]: b s17 - w s14
kyokunomi [1k\]: or R13 ;)
Nemerid [-\]: s17 is playable
Nemerid [-\]: black give the corner for influence
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;B[pb]C[Nemerid [-\]: but he plays Q18 as i said before
jim [6d\]: wow , what a move
]
;W[rf]C[Nemerid [-\]: Q14 now
StefanRadu [2d?\]: this situation is out of my league. id simply play R13 (w s13) and afterwards O17
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;B[oe]
;W[ne]
;B[pg]
;W[qg]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: and this is how the cookie crumbles.
StefanRadu [2d?\]: o16?
fatihsulak [2d\]: i saw this shape in some pro games, so it should be even locally 
fatihsulak [2d\]: o16 q14 p14 etc like avalanche joseki 
jim [6d\]: is this good for white?
Nemerid [-\]: I think si
Nemerid [-\]: so
jim [6d\]: joseki this?
fatihsulak [2d\]: black has one more territory line but he has q18 
kyokunomi [1k\]: new one :)
fatihsulak [2d\]: not sure
Nemerid [-\]: no, joseki was Q14 for black
Nemerid [-\]: but this is quite complicated :(
]
;B[nd]
;W[pf]
;B[of]C[jleone [5k\]: it could be a ko foght : b r12, w q13, b p14
]
;W[og]
;B[nf]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: better for b.
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;W[ph]
;B[me]C[jim [6d\]: Q14 d'ont know htis joseki
StefanRadu [2d?\]: despite the double ponuki
jleone [5k\]: wow, very bad for b
jim [6d\]: M15 not good
jim [6d\]: Q18 not good
fatihsulak [2d\]: since black played q18 it is even 
jim [6d\]: O7 not good
fatihsulak [2d\]: yep i say locally
]
;W[fc]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: now o7 useless
Saimon [1d\]: looks like small avalanche :-)
jim [6d\]: Catalin miss something
jleone [5k\]: for sure
fatihsulak [2d\]: like small avalanche but black has one more line 
kyokunomi [1k\]: yes but two stones more
kyokunomi [1k\]: and how jim said
kyokunomi [1k\]: O7 is ineficient now
tsuchigumo [-\]: On the contrary
kyokunomi [1k\]: is eficient :-/
kyokunomi [1k\]: ?
kyokunomi [1k\]: :)
Terminator [7k\]: relax
JoostC [3d\]: Black must get F3 to make something of o7
Terminator [7k\]: nobody trust 1k no matter what you say :-)
tsuchigumo [-\]: I believe the position at the top is good for b if one does tewari
magners [2k\]: why o7 shape is bad now? it's light group to reduce w's influence?
fatihsulak [2d\]: good point magners
kyokunomi [1k\]: but at tewari they are two more stones for black
tomason [1d\]: maybe there is some continuation as r6 or Q6
kyokunomi [1k\]: one of them on the second line
Hightway [6k?\]: <3 O7 very light move
Terminator [7k\]: D13
globax [4d\]: h17-c17..
Lebron [?\]: d17
Lychee [4k\]: i like the h17 pincer =P
uwaki [-\]: but it's pushing fro the strong side
uwaki [-\]: *from
Lychee [4k\]: ya overplay is fun
globax [4d\]: wide enough, i guess
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;B[hc]C[globax [4d\]: :)
Lychee [4k\]: ^.^
Terminator [7k\]: lol
jleone [5k\]: ???
Shukai [1d\]: KGS is too strong
uwaki [-\]: :))
globax [4d\]: d16 joseki interesting here
Terminator [7k\]: when pros follow kibitz advice , something is wrong
jim [6d\]: C17 only move
globax [4d\]: ok jim
globax [4d\]: natural anyway
Terminator [7k\]: next guojuan comes and say H17 bad
globax [4d\]: possible
Terminator [7k\]: :-)
Lychee [4k\]: i think c17 would be best as well
Lychee [4k\]: d16 joseki would have white between 2 giant moyo
globax [4d\]: even her could met some pro answering it's good..
jleone [5k\]: jim, what do u think about b h17 ? 
jim [6d\]: I prefer D17 
tsuchigumo [-\]: The b position at the top is definitely good locally
jim [6d\]: yes but is the only position where black have potential
globax [4d\]: that's b problem
tsuchigumo [-\]: I am referring to the corner exchange . b gained here
jim [6d\]: well I am not so good at tewary but global I prefer white
kyokunomi [1k\]: I agree (imho)
kyokunomi [1k\]: :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: The position actually occurs in Naoki's Breakthgrough to Shodam" as an inferior result for w (just looked it up) :-)
Lychee [4k\]: globally at the monment white is better
jim [6d\]: I trust you 
Lychee [4k\]: but it seems like black could reduce all that moyo at any given time
jleone [5k\]: no so easy, if w gets sente and take something lile o4 then ..
Lychee [4k\]: cutting at o4 doesnt seem big
Shukai [1d\]: maybe white considers a move more on left side?
Shukai [1d\]: like C13 area?
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;W[cc]C[StefanRadu [2d?\]: id o4^^
Lychee [4k\]: yay c17!
StefanRadu [2d?\]: Jim was right
Lychee [4k\]: jim said d16 =/
Lychee [4k\]: nvm
jleone [5k\]: sorry, takes the point o4, is a good way to get the right side or exchange into a good profit, what do u think ?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: jim [6d\]: C17 only move
Lychee [4k\]: ya i said nvm i was thinking of when jim said d17
]
;B[dc]C[jim [6d\]: here is another problem 
jim [6d\]: white have an option
]
;W[dd]
;B[cb]
;W[bc]
;B[ed]
;W[de]
;B[ec]
;W[bb]
;B[ef]
;W[ee]
;B[fe]
;W[ce]
;B[fd]C[Lychee [4k\]: now thats a huge top
snowman [-\]: is that a huge moyo or an overconcentrated shape
jim [6d\]: white B18 I d'ont like
jleone [5k\]: overconcentrate and gote ..
]
;W[gq]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: i feel black is a little overconcentrated
jim [6d\]: not really
Lychee [4k\]: i like blacks shape
jleone [5k\]: i like w shape
]
;B[nh]C[jim [6d\]: white still better
jim [6d\]: but game is hard
jim [6d\]: B18 was a miss
snowman [-\]: something like 50 points and growing
jim [6d\]: for white
Lychee [4k\]: black trying to create center moyo?
]
;W[co]C[kyokunomi [1k\]: what option has white instead B18 jim ?
jim [6d\]: C14
Pinguschaf [5d\]: jim, you dont prefer having h17 somewhere else?
jim [6d\]: D17 in place of H17
snowman [-\]: at the moment, white seems to be in control
jim [6d\]: G5?
jim [6d\]: not really game is close now
kyokunomi [1k\]: and if b B18 tenuki or ...?
snowman [-\]: close, but white ahead
jim [6d\]: yes maybe a bit
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i prefer h17 having at f12 for example ;) thats why i call it a little overceoncentrated
JoostC [3d\]: d10 is getting a big point
snowman [-\]: all eggs etc.
jim [6d\]: F10 is a good point also
jim [6d\]: but maybe slow
jleone [5k\]: b c14
JoostC [3d\]: Or E10
jleone [5k\]: in the near future ..
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;B[fl]C[Lychee [4k\]: i think something ni the g8 area
bro [3d\]: exact :)
Lychee [4k\]: booo right when i typed it
jim [6d\]: well, with B18 white lose the chance to make game simple
jim [6d\]: now he should fight, and I bet on Catalin now
tsuchigumo [-\]: Gladdens the heart to see moves like this
]
;W[fj]C[jim [6d\]: this is good
]
;B[dl]
;W[dj]C[uwaki [-\]: (rubbing the palms with joy ^^)
Lychee [4k\]: i was thinking lower n attacking lower corner
Lychee [4k\]: but ok
]
;B[go]C[jleone [5k\]: why catalin moves so fast ?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Just nice to see someone playing over the whole board and sjowing some creativity
snowman [-\]: catalin has a nice style, yes
tsuchigumo [-\]: G4 a key probe point against this shiimari
tsuchigumo [-\]: G5*
]
;W[gp]
;B[ho]
;W[ip]C[jim [6d\]: if count, black can get more then 70-75
jim [6d\]: can not
jim [6d\]: maybe 75 is optimistic
jleone [5k\]: voila, b starts to give points to w without nothing (or little) in exchange ..am i wrong ?
Lychee [4k\]: all that means is he gotta reduce white to beloew 70 =P
jim [6d\]: yes that for sure
drojdie [2k?\]: black has already around 50 pts on the top
kumbhaka [3d\]: has the game entered in yose already?
Lychee [4k\]: i like attacking right side now
jim [6d\]: already is yose
tsuchigumo [-\]: Often b probes at E3 before playing G5
Cassis0 [5d\]: last 4 moves by black were very dubious 
jleone [5k\]: too hard for b from now on ..
jim [6d\]: yose is hard for both
JoostC [3d\]: Black must make sure white D10 and D12 cannot connect with the white corner
jim [6d\]: D10 is alive
jim [6d\]: hard to attack
JoostC [3d\]: I want to prevent white D13
Eldar [3d\]: C13
Fredrik [-\]: its yose?!
Eldar [3d\]: at some point
jim [6d\]: more or less is yose
Eldar [3d\]: or C14 directlry
JoostC [3d\]: If black has no attack black D8 and D10 are on dame points
]
;B[dg]C[jleone [5k\]: this is better tha c14
AURELIE46 [3d\]: peut-etre
]
;W[hj]
;B[bg]C[Lychee [4k\]: this seems small...
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;W[gl]
;B[gm]
;W[hl]
;B[fk]
;W[gk]
;B[gi]
;W[gj]
;B[be]
;W[bd]
;B[cf]
;W[db]
;B[eb]
;W[ca]C[negimagi: :o
kenjiro43 [7k\]: ?
oddalot [7k\]: illegal moves!
magners [2k\]: a glimpse of the future
kumbhaka [3d\]: Haiiiiiiiiii Catalin !!!
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: misclick ;)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: missclick
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: kumbhaka, esti roman?
kumbhaka [3d\]: da :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: OK
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
oddalot [7k\]: r9?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Jipp Thomas  - Pop Cristian  0-1
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yes
as12: around e6
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Bravo Popic!
kumbhaka [3d\]: cool
nahual [2k\]: super
nahual [2k\]: cate puncte
nahual [2k\]: au romanii?
uwaki [-\]: super
Anubis53 [1k\]: who is ahead?
nahual [2k\]: cornel
nahual [2k\]: e pe euro tv 3
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;B[ih]C[nanotech [1k\]: and what now? Break p4 or consolidate q line????
jleone [5k\]: "bravo" popic , but i would preferrd to say that yesterday or before yesterday 
oddalot [7k\]: l12?
flutiste [-\]: strange game ...
jim [6d\]: J9
]
;W[hm]C[jleone [5k\]: u mean next w j9 ?
]
;B[io]
;W[fn]
;B[fo]
;W[en]C[jim [6d\]: to me looks almost over, 
jleone [5k\]: b k4 or c10
jleone [5k\]: k10, sorry
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Jim is it so bad for Catalin?
jleone [5k\]: no, c10
jim [6d\]: hard to say, I hope I mistake, but to me game is easy for white now
oddalot [7k\]: white has HUGE points
oddalot [7k\]: err i mean black
kenjiro43 [7k\]: SW part so big?
oddalot [7k\]: top middle large
kenjiro43 [7k\]: true, but it is also invadable
oddalot [7k\]: not really
oddalot [7k\]: looks pretty darn solid if you ask me
kumbhaka [3d\]: let's hope Jim is wrong 
kenjiro43 [7k\]: No offence Jim
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I want Catalin to win this
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Mope: b h4
jim [6d\]: I hope too Catalin to win
Sakeus [17k\]: yea
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Bine zis, sa speram
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Let's hope so
jim [6d\]: K4 black 
kyokunomi [1k\]: this problem can be solved more easy (and in the GO spirit)
kyokunomi [1k\]: "let the best one win"
kyokunomi [1k\]: :)
pmrktp: why so many fans of catalin? 
allonzo [6k\]: because the korean fans missed the plane
bolb [-\]: european pro
Hokusai [3k\]: because he's european meaby?:)
thomasdra [12k\]: He is sympathic indeed
Mope: in black better
jleone [5k\]: b c7, if w defend the underside conection, then b e4 and he can take the lower left corner
Mope: h4
jim [6d\]: G6,  if F7, then E3
jim [6d\]: must go now, bye
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;B[jp]C[allonzo [6k\]: bye, jim
jleone [5k\]: k4 could be a good compromise for loosing 4 stones on left ..
Mope: played softly, I would have played tough in the h4 
olive61 [6k\]: this is why he's a 'P'
uwaki [-\]: Eurogotv, what time do they have left?
uwaki [-\]: please
Mope: Eurogotv, as played Shikshin please
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: hi is not in my room, sorry
tharkun [3k\]: Eurogotv, could you say against who is playing Thomas Debarre ?
uwaki [-\]: and the time?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 1:49, black 1:01
uwaki [-\]: thank you
gandhi [5k?\]: pairing: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1496
]
;W[iq]C[tharkun [3k\]: thank you
jleone [5k\]: Eurogotv, what about the "Team Tournement" of yesterday ?
Mope: thanks
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: winning team "BabyFace" = Chang Yuan Jung 1p, Jun Sang Youn 7d, Zhang Yanqi 6d, Shin Chang li 6d
MilanChe [-\]: Silver medal for Serbia Team! 
MilanChe [-\]: yeaaaa!
Mope: because of this unfortunate course of the White and I said that Katalin played softly, you had to h4 
allonzo [6k\]: 3rd place - Romania/Czechia (but without Catalin Taranu and Popic, with Jan Simara of Czech Republic)
jleone [5k\]: thanks, hopely have the full results on the website
]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[gn]C[jim [6d\]: black gain a little here I think
fatihsulak [2d\]: black aiming d2?
kukulis4 [2d\]: aiming f3 I think
jim [6d\]: I still think J9 is the move
uwaki [-\]: puts white on the run
uwaki [-\]: J9
fatihsulak [2d\]: is f7 possible here? 
Manudu92 [2k\]: xhats can be the black answer to W F7?
uwaki [-\]: the way I see it, with damage for white
]
;W[km]C[Manudu92 [2k\]: what*
jim [6d\]: this is not good, help black defend against cut at k5, and still not 2 eyes
kenjiro43 [7k\]: k6 good?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: for b
kenjiro43 [7k\]: ?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: or L5?
Sakeus [17k\]: if b k6 w l5?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: jim. whos winning this?
StefanRadu [2d?\]: hope b is. but...
olive61 [6k\]: cred ca piesele negre se pot conecta pe dedesupt, in stinga
jleone [5k\]: i think w is playing ok, the easy way to win
kenjiro43 [7k\]: posibil olive
kenjiro43 [7k\]: dar cum?
jleone [5k\]: by distroying the potential on b to make some teritory in this area ..
kenjiro43 [7k\]: nu citesc secventa prea bine
jleone [5k\]: if b alive, w is still leading ..
jim [6d\]: ib b dead, w is still leading
jim [6d\]: if
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
as12: poits is relatif equal (white has ahead komi), if both group g5, g 10 alive, depend of right side
veteran [1d\]: B connected and well ahead
jleone [5k\]: are u sure ? b can hardly do more points ..
olive61 [6k\]: as incepe cu e10, e11, c10...
veteran [1d\]: W can't f7
veteran [1d\]: so connected
uwaki [-\]: olive, in primul rande negru se poate conecta acum simplu cu f7
veteran [1d\]: that's why W running out
olive61 [6k\]: evident...
uwaki [-\]: daca albul muta acolo, negrul ori se conecteaza la c14, ori ii ia albului g3
uwaki [-\]: fa o clona si testeaza :)
uwaki [-\]: nu poate sa ia tot albul aici, ceva pierde
as12: m5, l6?
jim [6d\]: K7 only chance to win
jleone [5k\]: w c8 connect the group or make an extra-eye ..if not better
kenjiro43 [7k\]: for white, Jim?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: or b?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: OH, I guess I saw
kenjiro43 [7k\]: It is for black
kenjiro43 [7k\]: It should cut white's way to retreat
]
;B[jn]
;W[jm]
;B[jj]C[Manudu92 [2k\]: is there a video about this game?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
Manudu92 [2k\]: ok thx
]
;W[ln]
;B[jq]
;W[ko]
;B[jo]C[MadGoWorld: isnt whhite c9 needed ?
GoIsBoring [1d\]: f7 is critical point for both?
baduk4all [-\]: F7 is not working
as12: f7 - d7 - c7
baduk4all [-\]: without giving away the G3 group
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Benutzu?
olive61 [6k\]: m3
uwaki [-\]: that's what I think too, baduk
]
;W[eo]
;B[fm]
;W[lq]
;B[fp]
;W[fq]C[olive61 [6k\]: acum sansa e legatul pe dedesupt, in stinga
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Sper sa mearga
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
drojdie [2k?\]: merge, nu va stresati :D
jleone [5k\]: d6 
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nu ma stresez, drojdie
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Youssev [5d\]: e10 ?
]
;B[lp]
;W[kp]
;B[kq]
;W[mp]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Alta legatura?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;B[lr]C[nahual [2k\]: kenjiro, ai emotii?
nahual [2k\]: :))
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Esti a doua persoana care-mi spune asta
]
;W[lo]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Par chiar asa stresat?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
nahual [2k\]: se vede
nahual [2k\]: stai linistit
kenjiro43 [7k\]: LOL
nahual [2k\]: ca toti avem
kenjiro43 [7k\]: OK
drojdie [2k?\]: cu o4 se intra in ko
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
jleone [5k\]: o4
nahual [2k\]: n2
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Nahual, voi calculati mai bine ca mine
]
;B[np]C[jleone [5k\]: o4 better
nahual [2k\]: nu calculam
nahual [2k\]: dam cu presupusul
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Da, dar la varaintele propuse de voi
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Poate cititi in plus cateva mutari posibile
kenjiro43 [7k\]: variantele
nahual [2k\]: fii pe pace
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Gata
nahual [2k\]: astia pro
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Am tacut
nahual [2k\]: calculeaza
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
nahual [2k\]: de le ies ochii
nahual [2k\]: noi
nahual [2k\]: nu
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Aaaaa
nahual [2k\]: asa ca poti vb cat poftesti
kenjiro43 [7k\]: OK :)
as12: r7
nahual [2k\]: cred ca il avantajeaza ko-ul
nahual [2k\]: pe catalin
]
;W[hh]C[GoIsBoring [1d\]: r5 
nanotech [1k\]: Deana     Benko
nahual [2k\]: g12
]
;B[nr]
;W[ii]C[nahual [2k\]: buna asta
YashiroK [1d\]: h13
]
;B[ig]
;W[ji]
;B[qn]C[jleone [5k\]: why not r5 ?
jleone [5k\]: for keeping sente ?
]
;W[ql]C[jleone [5k\]: r2
]
;B[kj]
;W[hg]
;B[if]
;W[po]
;B[pl]
;W[pn]
;B[qm]
;W[qk]
;B[pm]
;W[nn]C[oddalot [7k\]: anyone know the time left?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 1:25 black 0:19
oddalot [7k\]: wow, big difference in time
]
;B[pk]C[oddalot [7k\]: looks like black might win
Sakeus [17k\]: umm
kumbhaka [3d\]: b wins
kumbhaka [3d\]: i hope :)
]
;W[qj]C[Sakeus [17k\]: end will be hard
oddalot [7k\]: if catalin wins this, do you think he will play dinerchtein next?
olive61 [6k\]: o5, cut, and attack corner
oddalot [7k\]: q10 seems natural huh?
Sakeus [17k\]: if he will I want to watch it 
oddalot [7k\]: o5 doesn't seem to cut does it?
olive61 [6k\]: o5, n6, p6
cdocdo [6k\]: hi sakeus
Sakeus [17k\]: hi
oddalot [7k\]: 05, p6?
olive61 [6k\]: ...and b n6
jleone [5k\]: b he must keep alive the certer stones ..a decisive move now
olive61 [6k\]: either way, b cuts
cdocdo [6k\]: p6, p5, o5 ?
choboco [1k\]: o5 p6 n6 cut
jleone [5k\]: p11 
jleone [5k\]: or something
olive61 [6k\]: nah, the key is o5
choboco [1k\]: the problem is in the long run
choboco [1k\]: a cut is crap
olive61 [6k\]: and attack the corner after the cut
jleone [5k\]: maybe n7 too, but risky
choboco [1k\]: o5 p6 n6 n7 n5 p7 o8 p8 o9 p9 q10  bad for black
choboco [1k\]: problem is b center is too weak for a cut
olive61 [6k\]: the corner is open at both wings
choboco [1k\]: o7 and q7, he wont save both if he cuts
choboco [1k\]: so cut fails in long run
Manudu92 [2k\]: o10 doesnt give black good shape?
cdocdo [6k\]: p11?
pers [1d\]: m12?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I guess so Manudu
choboco [1k\]: i doubt b is aiming for shape alone right now
choboco [1k\]: wants more
cdocdo [6k\]: aha
choboco [1k\]: hes pro, hes probably reading some huge sequence wether he can kill corner or not
choboco [1k\]: or something even more intresting
Manudu92 [2k\]: yes i think so choboco
cdocdo [6k\]: q11?
CsehAndrei [3k\]: b needs to keep his stones safe while maintaining his territory and keep pressure on white ?
Nak0r [4k\]: what's the time for each player please ?
cdocdo [6k\]: im worry about how many times Catalin has....
cdocdo [6k\]: how many minutes*
]
;B[on]C[olive61 [6k\]: he goes for cut after all
cdocdo [6k\]: ooooh
]
;W[oo]
;B[no]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: this looks pretty desperated by black
]
;W[om]
;B[mn]C[dan2003 [2k\]: da cristi
pers [1d\]: B want win
olive61 [6k\]: dadan
dan2003 [2k\]: senzatia mea e ca vrea sa puna presiune pe grupul din centru
Mope: a good position at tCatalin,  Perhaps he will win 
olive61 [6k\]: a mea e ca vrea sa atace coltu
]
;W[mm]
;B[on]
;W[mr]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: :)
dan2003 [2k\]: acum e prea slab cu grupul q
pers [1d\]: big ko
cdocdo [6k\]: ko started
dan2003 [2k\]: vrea sa joace koul
CsehAndrei [3k\]: probabil ca are cel putin variantele astea in calcul
CsehAndrei [3k\]: :)
Sakeus [17k\]: b n3
Nak0r [4k\]: L1
Mope: There is a move at s3 
Mope: now l2
jleone [5k\]: why complicate the game when u are close to byomi ..
]
;B[ml]
;W[kr]C[pers [1d\]: very big ko
Sakeus [17k\]: i am scared what will come from that ;)
]
;B[lm]C[Saimon [1d\]: how does black live with left?
dan2003 [2k\]: eh .. ce zici mosu ?
]
;W[kn]C[cdocdo [6k\]: b big group is safe....?
]
;B[jr]C[luciangela [7k\]: e10
]
;W[ls]C[luciangela [7k\]: e scapare
]
;B[cj]C[olive61 [6k\]: cred ca vincearca sa separe big panda
Mope: There is a connection with 10 
olive61 [6k\]: sau nu...
jleone [5k\]: d6 helps ..
Mope: won
kenjiro43 [7k\]: b won this, isn't it?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
CsehAndrei [3k\]: nu-i nici o indoiala
Sakeus [17k\]: we all hope :)
olive61 [6k\]: noi toti zicem ca da - numai ala nu se lasa...
cdocdo [6k\]: maybe Catalin could read out all.....
olive61 [6k\]: nu stie romaneste
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Pai hai sa-l incurajam sa cedeze
CsehAndrei [3k\]: a jucat mai bine decat as fi facut-o eu
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Pe engleza
CsehAndrei [3k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
CsehAndrei [3k\]: pare rau ca nu putem vedea figura lui Jun cautandu-se dupa mutarea buna
Mope: s3
olive61 [6k\]: eu cred ca s-a ingalbenit putin
CsehAndrei [3k\]: pai...
olive61 [6k\]: prea ere inginfat - cind a jucat cu rusul alaltaieri, primile 30 de mutari a citit o revista
olive61 [6k\]: apoi si-a petrecut timpul facindu-si vin cu evantaiu ca nu mai avea aer
kumbhaka [3d\]: is black in byo-yomi already?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not yet
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Lasa olive ca-l dezvata Catalin
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
CsehAndrei [3k\]: inshallah
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Ne putem imagina moaca coreanului Andrei
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Daca nu o putem vedea live
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Ca ghini ai zis
]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]
;W[cl]C[seolki [8d\]: e 10
]
;B[ej]
;W[di]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Hihi
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Good guess Seolki
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
kumbhaka [3d\]: time?
jleone [5k\]: d6
Nemerid [-\]: d6 is so bad :/
seolki [8d\]: e 11, i think w  will get trouble
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black in BY
nahual [2k\]: cornel
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Let's see, did you guess it again?
nahual [2k\]: a pierdut
kukulis4 [2d\]: black simply e9 ?
Manudu92 [2k\]: its 1 move by minute?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i dont see anything for black
Manudu92 [2k\]: thx eurogo
]
;B[ci]C[Manudu92 [2k\]: why e9 doesnt work?
steng: no
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Seolki, what about now?
Youssev [5d\]: roln11 and seolki, help !
Youssev [5d\]: is there something valuable for w in the area ?
CsehAndrei [3k\]: guess nothing can go wrong for black anymore
oddalot [7k\]: b is trying to kill the middle w group?
foresthill: B has this game
sameasyou [2d\]: Go Catalin!!!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Go Catalin!
oddalot [7k\]: GO Catalin!!!!!!
Sakeus [17k\]: GO GOGO 
Jocky [3d\]: hai romania
Jocky [3d\]: :))
kumbhaka [3d\]: GO Catalin !!!
sameasyou [2d\]: it seems to me b is connected no matter what
AURELIE46 [3d\]: cata,cata
sameasyou [2d\]: hello Seolki...why aren't u in Holland?
]
;W[ek]
;B[el]
;W[eh]
;B[cm]
;W[bn]
;B[bm]
;W[nn]C[jleone [5k\]: p8
]
;B[ol]C[porcinet [1d\]: jun Sang rocks !!
BigJimBeef [16k\]: good call
sameasyou [2d\]: b ahead now....w has to defend in the corner
]
;W[or]C[porcinet [1d\]: 6d korean isn't it ?
sameasyou [2d\]: 7d korean
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I guess he doesn't rock so much
sameasyou [2d\]: kenjiro don't be impolite
porcinet [1d\]: same , he is 6d or 5d , not 7d
olive61 [6k\]: more like sucks right now
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I'll try not to be
]
;B[ns]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Maybe my english is poor, bu
kenjiro43 [7k\]: But
kenjiro43 [7k\]: He rocks means
kenjiro43 [7k\]: something like
Pinguschaf [5d\]: he rules
]
;W[qr]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: resign time
kenjiro43 [7k\]: E pe felie, cum spunem noi?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
Pinguschaf [5d\]: e19
maligo [4d\]: p1 :P
]
;B[ea]
;W[ae]
;B[bf]
;W[da]
;B[on]C[sameasyou [2d\]: L12?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: i won^^
sameasyou [2d\]: ah
olive61 [6k\]: ave maria, cred ca a cistigat
CsehAndrei [3k\]: faina partida
]
;W[rb]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Da
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Meritata
che [-\]: has w chances left?
globax [4d\]: l12 not bigger ?
]
;B[rc]
;W[sc]
;B[qb]
;W[ki]C[J1000: Win Catalin no?
CsehAndrei [3k\]: think white looking for a reason to resign
evave [4k\]: j8 ?
]
;B[pj]C[rvrey [7k\]: b+20?
]
;W[qi]
;B[fg]
;W[fh]C[derp [1k\]: I count b+5 or so
]
;B[dh]
;W[ei]C[sillypie [3k\]: +10
CsehAndrei [3k\]: +20?
sameasyou [2d\]: Catalin still has to work a lot in order to win this...but it seems it is quite easy for him
sameasyou [2d\]: no
sameasyou [2d\]: no
sameasyou [2d\]: I think +5
]
;B[gg]C[milenium01 [4k\]: 11,5
]
;W[gh]C[milenium01 [4k\]: for Catalin
kenjiro43 [7k\]: h14?
sameasyou [2d\]: m13
olive61 [6k\]: acum are vreo 15 puncte in fata, din care se scad 8
jleone [5k\]: m11
]
;B[hf]C[sameasyou [2d\]: so thick
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Am nimerit una
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;W[kg]
;B[kf]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: l14
kenjiro43 [7k\]: ?
BlackLotus [9k\]: who is winning the tournament?
]
;W[lf]C[sameasyou [2d\]: m10
cybersonic [11k\]: up is too bi
cybersonic [11k\]: g
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Catalin, of course
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
olive61 [6k\]: diner, breakfast...
Jocky [3d\]: m12
Jocky [3d\]: :D
sameasyou [2d\]: m12 nice but there are problems with o13
]
;B[lg]C[dantesxx [5k\]: I like dinner.
sameasyou [2d\]: I like Diner too...but I like Catalin much more
dantesxx [5k\]: XD
dantesxx [5k\]: Dinner is good.
]
;W[lj]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: Me too, I like Catalin more
KlerChazal [-\]: game is very close...
jleone [5k\]: m11 and it's over
jleone [5k\]: big point
drojdie [2k?\]: the 2 stones can't be captured by w
cybersonic [11k\]: m8 hm
sameasyou [2d\]: they can
]
;B[lk]C[HT250: Who is Dinner?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: cum le scapi drojdie?
drojdie [2k?\]: stai sa vezi
kenjiro43 [7k\]: spune-mi tu
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
omegutz [?\]: Dinnerschtein
sameasyou [2d\]: u can't cut k7 because of double atari
CsehAndrei [3k\]: problema e cum scapa albul
olive61 [6k\]: dinerchtein, alexander
HT250: Ahh
jleone [5k\]: ..b is touble now
HT250: true... XD
dantesxx [5k\]: Dinner is the best.
drojdie [2k?\]: negru acum l8 dupa care k8 si daca albul insista sa captureze il taie la j7
sameasyou [2d\]: nu merge drojdie...il pune albul in dublu atari
olive61 [6k\]: da, mah
jleone [5k\]: 9 points lost by b in here
KlerChazal [-\]: he didn't loose them.
olive61 [6k\]: no, it can take them  back at L13
jleone [5k\]: its not the 2 stones, but the teritoy
KlerChazal [-\]: he never had them.
]
;W[lh]
;B[mg]
;W[jf]
;B[ke]
;W[jg]
;B[je]
;W[kk]
;B[mj]
;W[li]
;B[kl]C[sameasyou [2d\]: w ahead now?
]
;W[jk]C[jleone [5k\]: he could maybe
]
;B[jl]
;W[ik]C[sameasyou [2d\]: s5
KlerChazal [-\]: s4 
sameasyou [2d\]: s4 better :)
jleone [5k\]: u see now ?
sameasyou [2d\]: but gote
KlerChazal [-\]: yea.
KlerChazal [-\]: s5 might be better then
milenium01 [4k\]: g1???
]
;B[gs]C[eurogotv8: s5 better
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
jleone [5k\]: w is leading now 
drojdie [2k?\]: g1 best :D
seolki [8d\]: i think b wins
Pinguschaf [5d\]: so maybe w should start ko?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: How can you tell Seolki?
jleone [5k\]: possible by hardly
derp [1k\]: think b+5 still
]
;W[ir]
;B[is]C[sameasyou [2d\]: ko?
seolki [8d\]: well, b has more territoly :D
Pinguschaf [5d\]: so this ko decides game?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: SE sais different Seolki
KlerChazal [-\]: SE is surely not 8d
Pinguschaf [5d\]: he is 8p
kenjiro43 [7k\]: That is true
bulibuta [8k\]: but kenjiro is an undercover 9p
kenjiro43 [7k\]: SE not 8d
dxxd [-\]: depending on SE is one of the worst things you can do
]
;W[js]C[derp [1k\]: hard ko for w to win, since can't fill
]
;B[ks]
;W[oc]C[tapir [1d?\]: hasn t white trouble to win this ko due to shortage of liberties?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: NO chance bulibuta
kenjiro43 [7k\]: LOL
]
;B[ob]
;W[js]C[jleone [5k\]: well ..trouble, big trouble
seolki [8d\]: seems b has more ko threat
]
;B[ba]
;W[aa]
;B[ks]
;W[nc]C[tapir [1d?\]: even h1 is a ko threat in a way
drojdie [2k?\]: yes
]
;B[nb]C[dantesxx [5k\]: Yes but if w uses h1 as a ko threat then b can use h4 as a ko threat
]
;W[js]C[milenium01 [4k\]: a18
eurogotv8: no
veteran [1d\]: d3
]
;B[rp]C[seolki [8d\]: if w didnt try to ko, b is enough ahead
]
;W[ro]
;B[ks]C[HeGo [-\]: isn't h4 a ko threat for black anyway?
]
;W[qo]
;B[js]
;W[es]C[dantesxx [5k\]: True
seolki [8d\]: why not d2
kenjiro43 [7k\]: n1?
]
;B[rn]
;W[so]C[drojdie [2k?\]: n1 is strong
Nemerid [-\]: no
kukulis4 [2d\]: m2 ko better
KlerChazal [-\]: s8 
]
;B[rl]
;W[rk]C[jleone [5k\]: n3 and is over
derp [1k\]: b slightly ahead still, I think
kenjiro43 [7k\]: n3 maybe good
tsAii [?\]: what was outcome of rob va zeijst?
uwaki [-\]: Cornel, how did your game finish?
Nemerid [-\]: n3, j8
]
;B[oh]C[drojdie [2k?\]: n3 another ko, n1 no ko
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Seolki is right once more; d2 is very good
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
seolki [8d\]: b wins many point
]
;W[cn]C[tapir [1d?\]: n3 isn t ko
]
;B[dn]C[BoGoss [2k\]: n3 6 points gote....
]
;W[il]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: no more
seolki [8d\]: over
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
]
;B[lr]C[kenjiro43 [7k\]: not another ko
oddalot [7k\]: why s8 instead of monkey jump, just because of sente?
jleone [5k\]: no ..i can't understand this b move
jleone [5k\]: ?
cybersonic [11k\]: e13?
docJ [7k\]: i thought monkey jumps were sente
oddalot [7k\]: hmm...i assumed they ended in gote for the monkey jumper
Sakeus [17k\]: how much time has white ?
oddalot [7k\]: SE broke
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Damn
kenjiro43 [7k\]: I was counting on SE :D
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 0:47
kukulis4 [2d\]: white M8 ?
docJ [7k\]: he ran ou of money?
cbc1: Now Gnugo is sure it's W+ 3.2!
Sakeus [17k\]: thx
kenjiro43 [7k\]: What is going on?
ApplePie [5d\]: white has resigned?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white has resigned
kenjiro43 [7k\]: YES!!!!!
oddalot [7k\]: wow
Sakeus [17k\]: YES
kenjiro43 [7k\]: BRavo Catalin!!!!!
oddalot [7k\]: GO CATALIN
Sakeus [17k\]: ou yea
Sakeus [17k\]: AAAAAAA
donzet [?\]: catalin
alecs [15k\]: catalin rocks
omegutz [?\]: Cataaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
kumbhaka [3d\]: wawwwww
kumbhaka [3d\]: coool
dantesxx [5k\]: Well done, Taranu.
AURELIE46 [3d\]: cool
oddalot [7k\]: impressive
olive61 [6k\]: ...and that's the game!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Si ce joc!!!
kenjiro43 [7k\]: :)
jleone [5k\]: over?
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Yeap
olive61 [6k\]: big time 
kenjiro43 [7k\]: Catalin wins
jleone [5k\]: b won, ok
bulibuta [8k\]: isn't black jun sang youn?
Sakeus [17k\]: umm
Mizuti [8k\]: no ^^
Sakeus [17k\]: lol
Sakeus [17k\]: haha
Sakeus [17k\]: :D
bulibuta [8k\]: oh yeah :-)
docJ [7k\]: when will catalin discuss his game?
jleone [5k\]: cornel stupid game did, what a shame ..we could help catalin be better classified 
seolki [8d\]: w had not bad, but i didnt see this game just moment and b got great result in lower side and lower right corner, gameover afterword
jleone [5k\]: does anyone is about to comment this game ?
jleone [5k\]: it was a move w m11 that  rebalanced the game, maybe put w as leader, what do  think ? 
nahual [2k\]: negru are un singur grup pe tabla
seolki [8d\]: wow thoma won against catarin
porcinet [1d\]: by a half right ?
])