(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress 2009 round 9 board 1]PW[Hwang In-Seong]PB[Kim Eunkuk]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-07]EV[European Go Congress 2009 round 9 board 1]RO[9]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[Emile]C[bistrogo [3d\]: This is a sort of final
SuperFrank [4k\]: what kind of final
egc2009gro: FINALS
egc2009gro: want video stream
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Hello everyone, this is board 1, Harry stole my board once again :P
SuperFrank [4k\]: so these guys are 7d pro and this is a final?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 7d ama
SuperFrank [4k\]: ic, thanks
bistrogo [3d\]: Hwang and Kim are the last with only one loss
]
;B[qd]C[egc2009gro: wow
egc2009gro: what a move
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;W[dd]C[fanfare: ...
egc2009gro: i see p17 coming
chrpa [1d\]: this will be a good game
]
;B[pp]C[egc2009gro: hopefully a fighting game
]
;W[oc]
;B[cp]C[chrpa [1d\]: eurogo, are there complete results anywhere?
SuperFrank [4k\]: we can only hope, cause before you know it, someone will play more defensive or so
]
;W[qn]C[mareks [3k\]: result was just updated at http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
chrpa [1d\]: yes, i see it now , thank you
chrpa [1d\]: nice
egc2009gro: this game will be fun
]
;B[nq]
;W[qg]C[tornemhi [1d\]: what does it mean? 43+b0
tornemhi [1d\]: black win with 43 points?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he played against nr 43 on list
egc2009gro: that black wins against player 43
]
;B[pe]C[tornemhi [1d\]: ah ok thx
]
;W[pk]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: btw egc2009gro, incognito?
egc2009gro: nah, i'm just at the lobby :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: wearing sunglasses I bet
egc2009gro: :D
egc2009gro: i'm just sad that i cannot see the video stream
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: well, you can move to room 1 :P
egc2009gro: on the other hand, there is no video stream of the first board <_<
egc2009gro: i can, but standing for 3+ hours hurts ^^
egc2009gro: plus i'm on duty right now :P
Uberdude [5d?\]: w playeda  similar shape last game i tihnk
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you can check that game in my info ;)
egc2009gro: how about some comments on blacks possibilities in the upper right corner
Uberdude [5d?\]: yes same on side
Uberdude [5d?\]: b then o16
snowman [-\]: q17 would be normal
snowman [-\]: m15 would be abnormal :)
egc2009gro: r11 would be cool
]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]
;B[fc]C[egc2009gro: n17 standard move?
Gary34 [4k?\]: yep
Gary34 [4k?\]: not sure when it was invented, but I know they used it during the shusaku days 
kane955 [4k\]: euro?
Uberdude [5d?\]: uppper right is still quite urgent
Uberdude [5d?\]: w would like to get sente 
Godaisuki [1k\]: upper corner looks like something from shuusaku 
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;W[md]C[egc2009gro: too bad we have komi these days
MoonCrash [5k\]: they didnt have komi back then?
Gary34 [4k?\]: wouldn't necessarily say 'too bad' :p
egc2009gro: @mooncrash: nope :) komi is relatively young
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think Shusaku won all his black games because there was no komi
egc2009gro: yeah, but he was also a strong opponent with white
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: The kosumi he played was based on there being no komi
egc2009gro: of course his black winning percentage was uber
Gary34 [4k?\]: indeed.. while these days the kosumi is making its return as played by white.. due to the big komi 
leger [1d\]: why is the video feed for the board 2 and not the board 1..
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: because board 2 has europeans
Gary34 [4k?\]: eurogo a bit.. eurocentric perhaps 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's probable that the top 2 or 3 will be koreans again, but the real deal is who will become the next European champion
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;B[db]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: currently who's top?
egc2009gro: these two :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
KoshiKun [6k\]: together?
egc2009gro: they are the only dudes with only one loss
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: top 3 is korean, then alex
Novalys [2k\]: tenuki
egc2009gro: eunkuk on first place due to sos
Novalys [2k\]: R17
Novalys [2k\]: or approach C4
egc2009gro: eunkuk = in seong + 1sos + 10sosos
SuperFrank [4k\]: this is a final isnt it
SuperFrank [4k\]: so whoever wins this match, what will be his price
egc2009gro: big money
HandA [1k\]: what is SOS and SOSOS?
ColorCoded: price != prize
egc2009gro: sum of opponents score
egc2009gro: and you can guess the other one :)
HandA [1k\]: can't -_-
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sum of sos
egc2009gro: sum of opponents of opponents score
egc2009gro: lol
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;W[hc]C[egc2009gro: thank you eurogo ^^
egc2009gro: strong move
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yw
HandA [1k\]: sum of sum of opponents score 
egc2009gro: yes 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: there's also sodos
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;B[hd]C[egc2009gro: oh yeah, whats that
egc2009gro: i always wondered
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sum of defeated opponents' score
egc2009gro: oh
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: used e.g. at the lightning tournament
HandA [1k\]: sometimes I go down a rank without playing any games, maybe KGS use SODOS too
jersta [15k\]: hi euro :))
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hi
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;W[ic]
;B[gc]C[jersta [15k\]: have this game live broadcasting?
KoshiKun [6k\]: indeed
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no, board 2 has it today
KoshiKun [6k\]: oh
jersta [15k\]: :((
KoshiKun [6k\]: im on the wrong game
KoshiKun [6k\]: XD
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: this is the right game :P
jersta [15k\]: but you are euro 2 ¬¬
jersta [15k\]: :P
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yep, new and improved version of euro 1
jersta [15k\]: hahahaha
jersta [15k\]: would you please give me the live broadcasting link?
jersta [15k\]: :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
jersta [15k\]: thx :))
egc2009gro: oh btw.. just in case this game will be reviewed in the auditorium today..
egc2009gro: HELLO EVERYONE
jersta [15k\]: hello egc
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;W[cc]
;B[id]
;W[jc]C[jersta [15k\]: time remaining euro?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 2:12, b: 2:08
jersta [15k\]: thx very much
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;B[df]
;W[ee]
;B[ge]
;W[ef]
;B[dh]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: w c18?
zyklop [1d\]: w c13 ?
]
;W[dg]C[zyklop [1d\]: hm, no not c13
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;B[cg]
;W[eg]
;B[ch]
;W[gg]
;B[jd]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: j13?
]
;W[ne]
;B[pc]
;W[hf]
;B[jf]
;W[jh]
;B[cb]
;W[dk]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 1:57, b: 1:59
Hanne [3k\]: PINCER TIME
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;B[fi]
;W[fk]C[egc2009gro: looking like white is chasing/attacking black
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;B[ce]C[Hanne [3k\]: could it be that the players are making phone calls to high dans when they leave the room
egc2009gro: to professionals you mean
]
;W[bb]
;B[kc]
;W[kb]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they are quite 'high dans' themselves :P
egc2009gro: and no, thats highly doubtful
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;B[gk]C[egc2009gro: wow so many comments
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and almost all of them by you :P
egc2009gro: ._.
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;W[gj]
;B[fj]
;W[fl]
;B[hh]C[seolki [8d\]: cause this game is too difficult, people cannot comment a game ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: very complicated game, yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I guess only the dans could comment on this then (feel free) ;)
Muscadet [?\]: this h12 seems to hit the weak point of white´s shape.
Argentum [5k?\]: W is split
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;W[ig]C[Argentum [5k?\]: but so is Black :-)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: seems like this can go in any direction still
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;B[hj]C[schwing [1k\]: j16 technically alive?
Argentum [5k?\]: technically?
schwing [1k\]: j16 -group alive?
Argentum [5k?\]: :-)
schwing [1k\]: so?
Argentum [5k?\]: it seems ok
]
;W[hg]C[schwing [1k\]: imo this group can be reduced to 1 eye, so w has attacks on it
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice shape
Argentum [5k?\]: now M14 or M15?
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;B[mf]C[juul [2k\]: anyone got the link to the results so far?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472
egc2009gro: eurogotv-man, be prepared as i will visit you in a minute :)
juul [2k\]: thx
egc2009gro: you need a drink or something?
egc2009gro: \]of course you will have to give me the coins :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I just sent Cath to fetch a drink :P
egc2009gro: ok lol 
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;W[ib]C[egc2009gro: she is standing here and talking xD
egc2009gro: white plays tetris
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oooh, tell her to hurry :P
egc2009gro: roger that
Argentum [5k?\]: now B can gets out  while W lives in gote
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w seemed a bit upset
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no players at board atm
Argentum [5k?\]: being forced to make eyes is not fun
Argentum [5k?\]: go is much easier to watch than play
schwing [1k\]: imo w could have lived anyways. I just think w just tries to keep up the nonliving shape of b, while making live....so: multipurpose move
Hilarius [2k\]: imo b will just q12
schwing [1k\]: imo the most problematic point for w is how to handle h13 -group while not harming f8 too much
Hilarius [2k\]: or just move somewhere else
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;B[me]
;W[od]
;B[oe]
;W[fd]
;B[gd]
;W[nf]
;B[ng]
;W[of]
;B[pg]C[IchiYuki [-\]: how much time left for both?
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;W[ke]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 1:21, b: 1:17
IchiYuki [-\]: thx ya
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;B[bd]
;W[bc]
;B[kf]C[seolki [8d\]: w is ugly shape,, w must have made some mistake
IchiYuki [-\]: oiii seulkiiii how are you
globax [4d\]: empty triangle vs empty triangle, even ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, white got his revenge
globax [4d\]: does n13 work ?
globax [4d\]: l16-k15-n13?
globax [4d\]: no
globax [4d\]: m17:)
globax [4d\]: cut at once
tsuchigumo [-\]: w looks toast
tsuchigumo [-\]: Seems impossible to kill black, as his own group is too weak
globax [4d\]: so k10, leaving n13 aji?
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;W[mg]
;B[lg]
;W[mh]C[radzik23 [-\]: q13
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 1:08, b: 1:09
radzik23 [-\]: use q13
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;B[ki]C[francium87 [1k\]: any clever escape moves?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 0:55, b: 1:07
Muscadet [?\]: j10
francium87 [1k\]: i read that doesnt work care to expand on the sequence
Timeless [17k\]: good move from black
egc2009gro: very interesting.
erkkierkki [7k\]: is white sleeping ?
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;W[kg]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no, he just thought very deeply
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: more than 25 mins
erkkierkki [7k\]: i hope this move is good then :)
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;B[lf]C[Daoloth [-\]: k11
Timeless [17k\]: m12  I think
Timeless [17k\]: cut black off also?
OsoAgonar [-\]: i hate this move :S
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;W[lh]C[Timeless [17k\]: true
Timeless [17k\]: l12 
Timeless [17k\]: or k13 
Timeless [17k\]: k13 l12 j12  maybe
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;B[kd]C[Timeless [17k\]: ok
]
;W[kh]
;B[pf]
;W[nc]
;B[og]C[Timeless [17k\]: black can do l12 whenever he wants so if white tries to connect o10 black takes it so white has to take it
]
;W[ep]
;B[oj]C[toople [11k\]: I12?
fatihsulak [2d\]: still attacking 
]
;W[pj]C[ben1988 [1k?\]: and why not^^
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;B[pi]
;W[qi]
;B[ok]C[francium87 [1k\]: im pretty sure the SE is right today
]
;W[oi]
;B[ph]
;W[ni]
;B[pl]
;W[ql]
;B[ol]
;W[qh]
;B[lb]
;W[lc]
;B[ka]
;W[jb]
;B[ob]
;W[gb]
;B[fb]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 0:20, b: 0:53
]
;W[nd]
;B[ga]
;W[re]C[Isobeutel [2d?\]: how can w win this?
Larrave [3k\]: w making it complicated or
veteran [1d\]: W lost
chrpa [1d\]: no, w still sente to attack
Larrave [3k\]: w is loosing might be a reason why hes doing this^^
]
;B[la]C[Fajnymis [3d\]: beautiful kill
]
;W[mb]C[veteran [1d\]: q18 enough
Fajnymis [3d\]: almost kill..
fatihsulak [2d\]: h18 
]
;B[rf]
;W[ha]
;B[hb]
;W[qb]C[chrpa [1d\]: white advantage
]
;B[pb]C[chrpa [1d\]: black needs two moves to protect his two groups after g18, right?
fatihsulak [2d\]: it is ko and white dies if he lose that ko 
chrpa [1d\]: black as well if he looses
fatihsulak [2d\]: and black also have some local threats 
]
;W[gb]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: o19 for example 
]
;B[fa]C[chrpa [1d\]: k19 white alive and black gote alive with one group
fatihsulak [2d\]: but f19 is just enough :-) 
fatihsulak [2d\]: white needs two moves to live 
BlueBossa [7k\]: what about b18 white's group ?
fatihsulak [2d\]: black only needs one and it is black's turn 
fatihsulak [2d\]: b18 needs to capture black or run away 
chrpa [1d\]: right
fatihsulak [2d\]: so basicly easy game for black 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 10:00 mins, b: 0:46 hours
chrpa [1d\]: q15 also in danger
]
;W[qc]
;B[pd]
;W[rd]
;B[qf]C[wolokom [5k\]: everything is burning
]
;W[rg]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b held a stone at t14
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and took it back in his hand
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;B[hb]
;W[ma]
;B[sf]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: if a referee had seen it, he might have gotten a warning
Pinguschaf [5d\]: lol
]
;W[pa]C[Pinguschaf [5d\]: aslong u r still touching it its totally allowed^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it has been looked up in the egf rules, because of an incident yesterday
Pinguschaf [5d\]: robert jasiek?
Pinguschaf [5d\]: :P
schwing [1k\]: lool
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: not sure who :P
Pinguschaf [5d\]: im sure its him ;)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: basically, you may not hover or move a stone across the board
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: even if you don't release it
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hard for kgs people I'm sure :P
chrpa [1d\]: what will happen now :)?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: one dies, the other wins? ;)
veteran [1d\]: B wins the semeai
veteran [1d\]: o19 for example
derp [1k\]: it's a ko though
veteran [1d\]: so many ko threats with r10
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and the eye at m19
veteran [1d\]: so take the right side good enough
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;B[na]C[loosernoob: O
loosernoob: O18
Fajnymis [3d\]: autoatari always good
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: interesting move noob
chrpa [1d\]: k19
]
;W[ja]
;B[la]
;W[gb]
;B[qm]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: nice threat
fatihsulak [2d\]: yep very nice threat 
Fajnymis [3d\]: how much time thay have left EuroGo/
veteran [1d\]: no
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w: 3 mins, b: 39 mins
Fajnymis [3d\]: ohhh
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and 1 min byo
Fajnymis [3d\]: thats preatty big adventage
]
;W[qk]
;B[hb]C[veteran [1d\]: lost ko threats this way
fatihsulak [2d\]: still has ko threat at s8 
Fajnymis [3d\]: oh its enough i though it is 30 s
Fajnymis [3d\]: 1mn per move/
Fajnymis [3d\]: /
Fajnymis [3d\]: ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's 40 secs for those with 2 hours main time I believe
]
;W[ie]C[Larrave [3k\]: m16?
Larrave [3k\]: or risky
ooOoo [2d\]: no need
Larrave [3k\]: guess your right;p
Fajnymis [3d\]: m16 seems fine
]
;B[ia]C[LeFourBe [5d?\]: M16 makes the ko bigger
Larrave [3k\]: hm
Larrave [3k\]: it is big enoough already
Wizze [1d\]: if m16 w can ignore all threats on the right
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w byo starts now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: b: 38 mins left
LeFourBe [5d?\]: w seems dead now
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I think w will resign soon
Larrave [3k\]: ugly that this works
Wizze [1d\]: y
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 10 secs
]
;W[gi]C[Larrave [3k\]: how many byos are there
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 1, then loss
Larrave [3k\]: 1?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Is this threat enough?
Wizze [1d\]: theres always only 1 :>
Wizze [1d\]: this threat looks to small
chrpa [1d\]: its small, black enough time to think it over
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w did not have enough time I think
]
;B[ha]
;W[gh]C[Wizze [1d\]: res
Wizze [1d\]: :>
]
;B[rm]C[fatihsulak [2d\]: black wins it seems 
]
;W[pm]
;B[pn]C[chrpa [1d\]: j15 loosing move
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w resigned
fatihsulak [2d\]: thx eurogotv
chrpa [1d\]: thank you
Isobeutel [2d?\]: gratz 2 both players
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you're welcome
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you wanted a fighting game, you got it ;)
erikkk: eumkuk stronger than seolki!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: byebye
Jadeite [?\]: thanks TV2 
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