(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi] GN[European Go Congress 2009 board 2 round 9]PW[Alexandre Dinerchtein]PB[Catalin Taranu]WR[3p]BR[5p]DT[2009-08-07]EV[European Go Congress 2009 board 2 round 9]RO[9]PC[Groningen, The Netherlands]US[HW9x9]C[dxxd [-\]: did they play each other in the last egc? snowman [-\]: this is an exciting game Oloril [1k\]: I think B has the advantage here lepeksiy [-\]: oh, the best europeans fanfare: lol fanfare: who messaged eurogotv1? fanfare: that sound is excellent, can even hear that bell ring from kgs~ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 oddalot [7k\]: GO CATALIN!! KoshiKun [6k\]: 3p is equilivant to? KoshiKun [6k\]: 7d? fanfare: dont even try to compare fanfare: dont worry about it, just enjoy the match snowman [-\]: taranu-dinerchtein games 2-3 according to the european go database vastolord [4k\]: 3p = 3p ^^ KoshiKun [6k\]: ok Ruddick [9k?\]: AAA snowman [-\]: last game in 2005 fanfare: wow long time wotan123 [2d\]: nice, go catalin! fanfare: snowman, thank you for the info there kenjiro43 [8k\]: Go Catalin!!! Hanne [3k\]: 5p !#$%& Nik1 [10k\]: 7d +5d=3p oddalot [7k\]: man, an entire board seki, who would of guessed!!! dxxd [-\]: who won that game btw? Ruddick [9k?\]: AAA!! When the game will be played? Hanne [3k\]: it's a temporary seki chrpa [1d\]: why is missing the 8 round? egc2009gro: white wins by 8 points olive61 [6k\]: baga mare, cataline! wotan123 [2d\]: where is seki? chrpa [1d\]: is there complete result list with 8 round? oddalot [7k\]: omg, Dinerchtein isn't wearing a collar shirt today oddalot [7k\]: it was a joke, because they had so many stones on the board.. fanfare: pretty sure he was.. oddalot [7k\]: oh wait, looks like black captured all the stones heh Gluttony [2k?\]: heh fanfare: in before player who gets up from his seat to take a walk " escaper!" mamutmu [20k\]: what is p? snowman [-\]: that's not a b2 bomber, that's a doom machine fanfare: stupid stupid jokes that's repeated EACH game wotan123 [2d\]: its like a nightmare egc2009gro: lol catalin just passed me xD SuperFrank [4k\]: so who do you guys hope win egc2009gro: the game will start in a minute then wotan123 [2d\]: i hope catalin will win egc2009gro: catalin 4tw kenjiro43 [8k\]: Me too kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) tapir [1d?\]: is this the last round? kenjiro43 [8k\]: Nope SuperFrank [4k\]: and i thought there were just fans of dinerchtein oddalot [7k\]: hope you are in netherlands egc2009pro KoshiKun [6k\]: does catalin have a kgs acc? zzz [2k\]: two left oddalot [7k\]: no Sakeus [18k\]: catalin go for it :) egc2009gro: i'm sitting right here dude Ruddick [9k?\]: Dinerstein go for it!) oddalot [7k\]: man, was that Dinerchtein's wife? tapir [1d?\]: so everyone with two losses has still a chance for tournament victory fanfare: im sincerely curious why this is first board though.. kenjiro43 [8k\]: Yes, he has KGS account with his name egc2009gro: if you need some proof, i could go to the game room and place a stone @ 1-1 egc2009gro: or just not do that because it could lead to some confusion :P Argentum [5k?\]: Q -- Why did Dinerchtein lost yesterday? ] ;B[qd]C[wotan123 [2d\]: ah egc2009gro: gg Argentum [5k?\]: oops kenjiro43 [8k\]: TaranuC is Catalin's account egc2009gro: same game like the first board up to now ] ;W[dp]C[SuperFrank [4k\]: how many times are you going to ask that argentum Ruddick [9k?\]: People, why there are only first 2 moves in eurogotv1 yesterday game? Argentum [5k?\]: tsurukame? Ruddick [9k?\]: cant find the whole game fanfare: you need to change move tree wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) fanfare: first white move was mistake, so you need to check the move tree and pick the right one SuperFrank [4k\]: just enjoy the new game will you, there are more importants things to do either way, as you said so self, argentum Argentum [5k?\]: first to moves were misclick fanfare: no, only first white move argentum kenjiro43 [8k\]: Tsurukame is Mirel Florescu MoonCrash [5k\]: d 4 a huge blunder? kenjiro43 [8k\]: another top-player from Romania Argentum [5k?\]: ah thats Florescu, thank you kenjiro43 [8k\]: You're welcome Argentum [5k?\]: I allways confuse them kenjiro43 [8k\]: Catalin is TaranuC kenjiro43 [8k\]: on KGS SuperFrank [4k\]: and he has an winning record too SuperFrank [4k\]: there are no handy i guess in these tournaments Apoptosis [7k\]: is it common for the players to spend extra time on their first moves? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 atomix [1d\]: are the current standings available on the net? leger [1d\]: Apoptosis, yes snowman [-\]: the extra time is used for getting in to the right mood Meareal [4k\]: b in byo yomi :P zxccxz [2d?\]: he's probably thinking, ok what stlye does ales play, how should he set up to best counteract and neutralize opponent, etc broiler [5d?\]: results Alexandre vs Catalin: 3:2 Kuros [8k\]: shouldn't he think of that before he starts teh game Tlina [7k\]: Catalin is a pro, but in which country ? kenjiro43 [8k\]: Japan Tlina [7k\]: china, japan, korea ? oddalot [7k\]: Catalin would kill Alexandre in an arm wrestling match Tlina [7k\]: ok Tlina [7k\]: thx ] ;B[ec]C[Porkypine [8k\]: ohh Porkypine [8k\]: saijo fanfare: low chinese variation? kenjiro43 [8k\]: You're welcome Porkypine [8k\]: or looks like saijo Porkypine [8k\]: lol oddalot [7k\]: cool opening kenjiro43 [8k\]: Saijo is Catalin 's Sensei kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) wotan123 [2d\]: saijo is so cool YogSothoth [1d\]: chinese would be d16 instead of e17 Toge [1k\]: Hm... good quality video! tornemhi [1d\]: how can they think this movement's so much? ] ;W[pp]C[MoonCrash [5k\]: much better quality video than at usgc Djaian [3k\]: they overdo it a little for us Toge [1k\]: Professionals consider so many things in opening fanfare: k17 pl0x fanfare: or is it l17 hmm ] ;B[qn]C[tornemhi [1d\]: i know, but at least, after milion games, thay should know this considerations by mind right? ampwyo [7k\]: didn't have to think about that very long MoonCrash [5k\]: taranu likes that 5 3 YogSothoth [1d\]: low chinese formation is d16 l17 r16 KoshiKun [6k\]: i think the thing i lack the most in go playing is patience Ruddick [9k?\]: strange KoshiKun [6k\]: i just like quick games MoonCrash [5k\]: thing i lack most is skill oOiOo [1d\]: isn't the go a patience game ? Cassis0 [5d\]: you dont like patience then oOiOo [1d\]: :p Hanne [3k\]: i lack teachers Cassis0 [5d\]: you lack concentration KoshiKun [6k\]: exactly Cassis0 [5d\]: you don't see time running when ur thinking really oddalot [7k\]: you lack discipline wotan123 [2d\]: we lack all, or not? Djaian [3k\]: this game will last long. I will just go buy some chips and drinks. Anyone wants a beer? ampwyo [7k\]: lack of patience = lack of reading = losing... thats my problem Hanne [3k\]: me KoshiKun [6k\]: well vastolord [4k\]: im good atomix [1d\]: anyone knows what's the EGC website? Ruddick [9k?\]: maybe b wants w O3 first and than P16 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: www.egc2009.nl atomix [1d\]: thanks fanfare: http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472 oOiOo [1d\]: just do tsumego if you lack patience it will help you to read ^^ hotboy89 [4d\]: r6 shud be d10 :) YogSothoth [1d\]: I only lack some yose skills, ohterwise my go is perfect ] ;W[nq]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: i guess some extra concentration would do me good ] ;B[pj]C[snowman [-\]: this kibitz is a serious test for patience KoshiKun [6k\]: but its also patience... when i want to i think alot Meareal [4k\]: o17? tornemhi [1d\]: Zhuyeqing Tea = sponsor ? miksu [6k\]: it is so easy to concentrate, you just.. oh hey, a bunny! ampwyo [7k\]: lol ever see that "get strong at kibitz" thing on sensei's library? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Yes, Zhuyeqing is the main sponsor oddalot [7k\]: why is there a bunny in your house? Ruddick [9k?\]: who won yesterday YogSothoth [1d\]: he reads too much playboy miksu [6k\]: it's on this middle section... IGoofy [1d\]: they should team up and try to beat a 8p MoonCrash [5k\]: eunkuk won yesterday Toge [1k\]: YogSothoth: apparently your yose is absolute disaster if you're otherwise perfect, eh ;-) wotan123 [2d\]: who reads playboy, i think its for looking? ] ;W[nc]C[Meareal [4k\]: :D atomix [1d\]: so this game will likely decide the European champion? YogSothoth [1d\]: no, they got really interesting articles :| Meareal [4k\]: p16 mach1 [-\]: lets please keep comments related to the game wotan123 [2d\]: ... oOiOo [1d\]: lol oddalot [7k\]: atomix, that's what i'm thinking wotan123 [2d\]: o17 standart move in this position fanfare: atomix, probably not atomix [1d\]: why not? oddalot [7k\]: although tomas debarre beat catalin, that doesn't seem fair fanfare: alexender is 3rd... taranu is 6th? atomix [1d\]: but they have equal points fanfare: the top two players are in eurogotv2 atomix [1d\]: so if catalin wins he gets ahead KoshiKun [6k\]: so this isnt a nok out tournament? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no Koshi oddalot [7k\]: 4th, and 6th Godaisuki [1k\]: if catalin wins he gets a head =D PAUCHOK [?\]: p16 here for sure fanfare: if alexandre loses, and oh chi min wins, i believe ochimin would be 3rd EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 10 rounds KoshiKun [6k\]: ok atomix [1d\]: but oh ghi min is not korean? KoshiKun [6k\]: so even if alexandre wins his remaning games ] ;B[od]C[atomix [1d\]: *chi* oddalot [7k\]: can catalin still win the entire tournament? kenjiro43 [8k\]: But he is korean fanfare: he lives in berlin now i think? KoshiKun [6k\]: his win isnt sure? ] ;W[pb]C[Meareal [4k\]: q18 fanfare: but he IS korean yea// PAUCHOK [?\]: p17 Tlina [7k\]: soory, but thomas debarre beat Catalin ? really ? Meareal [4k\]: m17 Tlina [7k\]: sorry* PAUCHOK [?\]: m17 p17 yeah ] ;B[lc] ;W[nd] ;B[oc] ;W[ob] ;B[qc]C[fanfare: yes tlina wotan123 [2d\]: hihi wotan123 [2d\]: blitz!! fanfare: round 4 oddalot [7k\]: that looks good for b ] ;W[mb] ;B[ne] ;W[ld]C[dxxd [-\]: catalin looks tired... :) wotan123 [2d\]: hui, so fast PAUCHOK [?\]: Eurogotv, link please ] ;B[me] ;W[kd]C[Meareal [4k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 PAUCHOK [?\]: thx SuperFrank [4k\]: not to be rude or anything, but how is this interesting Meareal [4k\]: p6 Kuros [8k\]: wut oddalot [7k\]: wth is that noise? SuperFrank [4k\]: i mean sure im interesting in seing who wins, but fanfare: the sink is clogged up?? oddalot [7k\]: rofl fanfare: now the faucet is running EuroGoTV1 [-\]: something like that..... fanfare: :/ Toge [1k\]: Should black solidify his moyo from Q10 or from R6? IGoofy [1d\]: they have moves to th etoilets ] ;B[ic] ;W[kc]C[YogSothoth [1d\]: why do you think this is not interesting, superfrank? SuperFrank [4k\]: maybe cuz its only started i guess, sorry SuperFrank [4k\]: i meant no bad by asking it KoshiKun [6k\]: lol KoshiKun [6k\]: frank fanfare: because he's a troll, he comes into these games to seek attention~ KoshiKun [6k\]: u dont have to be sorry KoshiKun [6k\]: u have ur own opinion fanfare: he clicks the game, then asks why we are watching..? SuperFrank [4k\]: i just get misunderstood, thats all Adin [2d\]: is this a joseki? PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah Godaisuki [1k\]: @eurogo: can we get a replay of this game on KGS? Tiny81 [5k\]: I am happy to see this game... but why is breakfast and Catalin board1? They both have allready 1 loos, dont they? tornemhi [1d\]: sure? looks like black is happier than w PAUCHOK [?\]: I've seen it like 4-6 times this week oddalot [7k\]: board 2 oddalot [7k\]: look at top Tiny81 [5k\]: ah! fanfare: c6 KoshiKun [6k\]: i am in board one :D Tiny81 [5k\]: its only EuroGoTv1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: for replay of yesterdays game: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF&replay=1249569556 ] ;B[dj]C[Meareal [4k\]: BUM plays this joseki a lot vastolord [4k\]: dont worry about it frank ^^ every one has their own interests in watching, i like to learn by watching these games, as these people have a basic understanding of the game ^^ Meareal [4k\]: when he s black YogSothoth [1d\]: w strong, b moyo; this game is gonna be fun :) PAUCHOK [?\]: which joseki? r16 o17 p16 ? olive61 [6k\]: yeah, but 5>3, like always wotan123 [2d\]: the normal case, alex take points, the opponent moyo akko888 [22k\]: wow real pros YogSothoth [1d\]: not really real pros EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Ruddick [9k?\]: b position looks better PAUCHOK [?\]: don't start that now please Meareal [4k\]: everything up to l16 has been in at least 3 of bums games Meareal [4k\]: but l17 was new YogSothoth [1d\]: taranu isn't an active pro and dinerchtein's pro title is somewhat fishy EuroGoTV1 [-\]: PAUCHOK i play under the name eurogotv here KoshiKun [6k\]: why is it somewhat fishy PAUCHOK [?\]: thx YogSothoth [1d\]: ask someone who knows better :) PAUCHOK [?\]: amazed you remembered EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Argentum [5k?\]: yoySoso, and kgs 1d is what? jinkidie [16k\]: Is Russian the eat a lot of caviar? vastolord [4k\]: is alexandre a honorary 3p? fanfare: seems like white disadvantage already :( KoshiKun [6k\]: yes but by what do u mean fishy EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i had no time then KoshiKun [6k\]: like he doesnt deserve? or he got it in a stinky way? Argentum [5k?\]: YogSoso, are you real KGS 1 dan? YogSothoth [1d\]: how is kgs 1d related to this? royalty [3d\]: this? Argentum [5k?\]: be quiet then PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah fanfare: lol at the people crowding teh dorr SuperFrank [4k\]: will w invade now fanfare: door* SuperFrank [4k\]: you think YogSothoth [1d\]: be nice wotan123 [2d\]: pls people, calm down SuperFrank [4k\]: or will he solide himself EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 8 stnes difference between these guys and kgs 1d YogSothoth [1d\]: at least :) Lacrimosa [1d\]: i want more Argentum [5k?\]: both players are very strong and good to watch YogSothoth [1d\]: I never said they weren olive61 [6k\]: yeah, wtf man YogSothoth [1d\]: weren't* fanfare: g17 probe oddalot [7k\]: The Gestapo got him the pro title. fanfare: to get c16 in sente-ish style? wotan123 [2d\]: its not a secret, that asia helps eurpean players with pro title jinkidie [16k\]: r13 invade? wotan123 [2d\]: normaly they would not pro YogSothoth [1d\]: I'm just saying that neither w nor b would stand a chance against say a real Korean 4p akko888 [22k\]: e13 perhaps? snowman [-\]: oh really ] ;W[ce]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: Catalin won promoting tournaments wo become pro kenjiro43 [8k\]: won olive61 [6k\]: I take ir ur korean, right? SuperFrank [4k\]: as far as i know, this is a final Lebron [?\]: didnt know you had to be an active pro to be a pro SuperFrank [4k\]: what will the price be kenjiro43 [8k\]: Olive fanfare: tomorrow is final kenjiro43 [8k\]: I'm romanian fanfare: this is not last round kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) olive61 [6k\]: nu to bre, ala cheptosu' fanfare: at least first place will 99% be decided today kenjiro43 [8k\]: Catalin is pro for real SuperFrank [4k\]: i heard this was some sort of final though at the beggining kenjiro43 [8k\]: Aaaaa jinkidie [16k\]: So anyone know what those nice bowls are made of? fanfare: 2nd->5th are still up for grabs Sakeus [18k\]: yea catalin is japanese pro wotan123 [2d\]: we know PAUCHOK [?\]: who's in the blue shirt? as12: am si eu o intrebare, ce au facut catalin si cornel ieri,pt ca nu am mai prins sfarsitul partidelor PAUCHOK [?\]: can't see the face Sakeus [18k\]: In Seong broiler [5d?\]: do anybody know something about european masters this year? Hashishin [-\]: koncentratin to the game pls fanfare: the one in the red shirt beat alexandre yesterday Larrave [3k\]: very badly he did or PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah I saw that one Argentum [5k?\]: red shirts usually win olive61 [6k\]: can u please change the camera back to the champions? vastolord [4k\]: sounds aggressive ^^ fanfare: these two are the champions.. they are ranked 1st and 2nd Larrave [3k\]: empty boardXD PAUCHOK [?\]: what was it? by 8 if I remember right? qsorix [10k\]: well... and where's catalin? Argentum [5k?\]: Einkuk isnt number 1? olive61 [6k\]: much better - thanks Sakeus [18k\]: Jan Simara Larrave [3k\]: is that really bum? fanfare: alex and catalin are like 4th and 6th jinkidie [16k\]: c17 c12 b10 ugh olive61 [6k\]: yeah...but they are the european's chanps PAUCHOK [?\]: oh.. the players gone missing fanfare: lol.. Meareal [4k\]: eurogo lay some stones on the board and check if they ll realize qsorix [10k\]: time is running, isn't it? vastolord [4k\]: having a beer they are PAUCHOK [?\]: wanted dead or alive R [1k\]: 2:12 - 2:18 :) karesim [5k\]: This game probably decides the best placed european though. Rob still has a chance, though. IGoofy [1d\]: they prepare a trap outside for the two koreans kenjiro43 [8k\]: They got tired by kibitz :D snowman [-\]: rob plays against rusty egc2009gro: catalin just got a coffee olive61 [6k\]: they left to settle the game somewehere else egc2009gro: and is returning to his room :) Armada [1d\]: who is rusty? karesim [5k\]: small chance... :) R [1k\]: coffee isn't a dopping? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: did he bring 1 extra for me? oddalot [7k\]: in a few years artem will be winning these snowman [-\]: oh chi min PAUCHOK [?\]: wow. didn't know the playing area is someone's kitchen fanfare: not kitchen fanfare: looks like break room Armada [1d\]: oh chi min = rustysword 9d on kgs? fanfare: yes wotan123 [2d\]: yes ] ;B[cc]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: Artem is strong player donzet [?\]: catalin is much more awke now ] ;W[ch]C[Porkypine [8k\]: ohh Frank Janssen donzet [?\]: awake Larrave [3k\]: 2 rounds left or jinkidie [16k\]: 2 fer 2 Larrave [3k\]: after loose yesterday alex no chance or fanfare: d14 ? oddalot [7k\]: artem beat debarre once, and debarre beat catalin, so artem is 5p :D jinkidie [16k\]: c10 or b10? ] ;B[on]C[jinkidie [16k\]: ah kenjiro43 [8k\]: oddalot kenjiro43 [8k\]: not so fast kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) qsorix [10k\]: can one somehow record this live stream easily? by non-go-playing friends would rotfl seeing it ;-) Maybe5k [4k\]: japanese pro stronger or "korean" pro stronger? qsorix [10k\]: s/by/my/ ] ;W[qh]C[fanfare: qsorix, you can find a lot ony outube PAUCHOK [?\]: black looks easy to play fanfare: search for them kenjiro43 [8k\]: maybe5k-we'll see fanfare: korea has a go channel olive61 [6k\]: japanese snowman [-\]: can we have your rotfl video in return EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it will be recorded fanfare: as does japan donzet [?\]: kill oddalot [7k\]: here we go Godaisuki [1k\]: R12 a bit deep.... ampwyo [7k\]: korea has two go channels kenjiro43 [8k\]: I hope japanese is fanfare: yea oddalot [7k\]: let the blood flow.. Hashishin [-\]: where was move 27? qsorix [10k\]: thanks wotan123 [2d\]: i expected it, catalin built moyo and alex invade ;-) Toge [1k\]: This has to be overplay jinkidie [16k\]: r12 - betcha he's gonna mess up b's moyo hopes KoshiKun [6k\]: hashi fanfare: p6 hashishin donzet [?\]: q12 KoshiKun [6k\]: just duplicate the game KoshiKun [6k\]: o Hashishin [-\]: thx KoshiKun [6k\]: and u can see it from the begginig Tsumugari [4k\]: r12 is dead KoshiKun [6k\]: beginning PAUCHOK [?\]: where can I find some info on Catalin? KoshiKun [6k\]: google? wotan123 [2d\]: sensei? olive61 [6k\]: google oddalot [7k\]: even if r12 lives, black wil get huge center in return qsorix [10k\]: i've never seen catalin playing before... he looks so much different than during reviews PAUCHOK [?\]: mm.. mk fanfare: senseis.xmp.net/?CatalinTaranu PAUCHOK [?\]: better PAUCHOK [?\]: tx ampwyo [7k\]: r 12 could be an aji stone... just in there to make reduction from the other side more dangerous? R [1k\]: How often Dinerchtein wins Taranu? (I sure they played many times before) wotan123 [2d\]: senseis is your friend snowman [-\]: google is good olive61 [6k\]: sholder - Q13 tornemhi [1d\]: google is god kenjiro43 [8k\]: http://www.catalingoschool.com/ hehe2009 [1d?\]: best player drink tea ;-) Adin [2d\]: looks like catalin has a cold? hehe2009 [1d?\]: hehe jinkidie [16k\]: p12 neitralizes the threat of shutting in the corner Tsumugari [4k\]: r12 is making a dead group wotan123 [2d\]: r12 tons of aji CatoMajor [2k\]: Hmm, I don't know if this *has* to be overplay.. There's a cut at P15, and white's other groups aren't that weak (well, C12 is hardly immortal, but I don't see an obvious, effective splitting attack) Kyoske [1d\]: It's standart invasion for Dinerstein snowman [-\]: deepish Kyoske [1d\]: I saw somwhere in his games wotan123 [2d\]: its also some kind of asking move jinkidie [16k\]: he can always run out... unless cat lands on him hard Kuros [8k\]: the press has arrived oOiOo [1d\]: like this move igimeru [1k\]: r12 looks really adventurous Godaisuki [1k\]: tenuki =D CatoMajor [2k\]: I probably wouldn't have the balls to play R12 here, though. =) jinkidie [16k\]: ya he might encircle from r12 or he might drive into the corner igimeru [1k\]: tenuki = epic lol wotan123 [2d\]: of course r12 is adventures R [1k\]: I would play r10 or p12 here. So 5p-player will play something else :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: q13? igimeru [1k\]: personally R10 Toge [1k\]: High position of Q10 stone seems to make things complicated for black. Hashishin [-\]: boshi luciangela [7k\]: C6 Hashishin [-\]: ?* jinkidie [16k\]: r10 no good s0 p12 igimeru [1k\]: p 12 lets W live too easily wotan123 [2d\]: p12 Tsumugari [4k\]: 6th Samsung Cup, semi-final #3 Chang Hao vs Lee Changho 2001/09/11 Tsumugari [4k\]: it's the same shape DrakeBell [5d\]: i would have played r11 donzet [?\]: q12 is official move Godaisuki [1k\]: q12 @@? kenjiro43 [8k\]: ? hehe2009 [1d?\]: tenuki c6 aGOsto [?\]: q13 ampwyo [7k\]: my initial thought was q 13 abak [2k\]: official move) light3 [2k?\]: play c3 so black can't play there Maybe5k [4k\]: why alex think he can go so deep? answer is because he has miai. lol Tlina [7k\]: I'd play q 14 or q 13, but i'm 7k oOiOo [1d\]: tenuki is too soft jinkidie [16k\]: c6 looks doable but Tsumugari [4k\]: black can start with q12 donzet [?\]: no way to tenuk such big zone jinkidie [16k\]: tenuki and r12 goes nuts snowman [-\]: 8 pro games with that invasion in the gogod database jinkidie [16k\]: tnks sno light3 [2k?\]: you have to play where w most wants to play which is p12 tsuchigumo [-\]: who cares about databases Luffyop [2k\]: and what did answer the pro svowman ? negimagi: i do wotan123 [2d\]: with the same wholeboard snowman? tsuchigumo [-\]: this is not chess PAUCHOK [?\]: p12 i see ampwyo [7k\]: or play somwhere that makes that not a good move R [1k\]: wow he played p12 ] ;B[oh]C[light3 [2k?\]: see my logic is flawless jinkidie [16k\]: 3 fer 3 wotan123 [2d\]: yes, p12 snowman [-\]: not the wholeboard situation of course oddalot [7k\]: it is so on Maybe5k [4k\]: so A option gone, alex will go to option B. coz it's miai. R [1k\]: so long thinking and so simple move snowman [-\]: e17 spoils that :) wotan123 [2d\]: p12 was the only move donzet [?\]: now normaly white live Maybe5k [4k\]: or would he tenuki? lol Hanne [3k\]: r10 Argentum [5k?\]: no high dans to comment? oOiOo [1d\]: ^^ Maybe5k [4k\]: R8 canot? Hanne? Hashishin [-\]: nothing tenuki -_- oddalot [7k\]: i don't see how this can be good for w hehe2009 [1d?\]: if b gets a gote here he has lost Argentum [5k?\]: kyu comments can be dismissed kenjiro43 [8k\]: and your's? fanfare: argentum, are you not terminator/ theborg? Hanne [3k\]: r8 r10 , looks a bit aji keshi to me Tlina [7k\]: thanks, argentum DrakeBell [5d\]: noo kyu players are the best!! Argentum [5k?\]: im weak I ditn comment on the game Tsumugari [4k\]: they invent new losing moves Argentum [5k?\]: i prefer high dans comments light3 [2k?\]: i don't see any other option it must b r10 Tlina [7k\]: we are weak but we still have intuition ^^' fanfare: right, you comment on the players and insult people instead fanfare: so nice of you! donzet [?\]: hi popic R [1k\]: kyu *kibitzer* are the best Hanne [3k\]: R snowman [-\]: tsuke on the top of the invasion stone seems to be the most common answer R [1k\]: kibitxers donzet [?\]: hi mero Argentum [5k?\]: i didnt insult anyone, I asked of there are no high dans to comment here wotan123 [2d\]: i like kgs cauze of the kibitz jinkidie [16k\]: r10 is a fair local move.... kumbhaka [3d\]: who is popic's opponent? R [1k\]: r10 is only move for me ftroiset [2d\]: well, donzet is high dan :-) jinkidie [16k\]: Arg ent u insulted every kyu player here! wotan123 [2d\]: hihi donzet [?\]: thx RLrogue [?\]: argentum...am i not turtly enough for the turtle club? sfrex [1k\]: q8 PAUCHOK [?\]: what other moves rather than r10 we can see? aGOsto [?\]: r10 is gonna strengthen black in the fight and white to live in gote probably hehe2009 [1d?\]: S10 light3 [2k?\]: i'm actually playing as w because i mind controlled him telepathically from 10000 km away ampwyo [7k\]: it wasn't really an insult... he's sorta right... jinkidie [16k\]: ya pauch what else is there aGOsto [?\]: r14 threatening the cut at p15 then s10? CatoMajor [2k\]: snowman, Hmm, why tsuke? It seems counter-intuitive to make white stronger. aGOsto [?\]: i agree with cato DrakeBell [5d\]: it looks like Catalin slept 2 hours... <.< Kuros [8k\]: i think he has a cold ftroiset [2d\]: normal moves in this shape are R10, P13 and at times P11 wotan123 [2d\]: therefore he drinks coffee light3 [2k?\]: guess what he was doing all night RLrogue [?\]: drinking adrian32bv [9k\]: s15???? Godaisuki [1k\]: swine flu? hanniibal [6k\]: c7 hehe2009 [1d?\]: there is no cut yet snowman [-\]: ask lee changho :) jinkidie [16k\]: hmm if r14 p15 r10 b has his moyo going full blast light3 [2k?\]: nope he was playing pretend go with w in his mind in preperation golgo13 [12k\]: he might have plague... tapir [1d?\]: is r8 aiming for jumping out or r10 playable? Kuros [8k\]: i can see the headlines: "swine flu outbreak at 'asian chess' conference" R [1k\]: seems p12 was a mistake (looking at Taranu on video) jinkidie [16k\]: r8 gets cut kenjiro43 [8k\]: Nah; no headlines aGOsto [?\]: attachment at p13? would lead to a fight weakening black stones at the bottom wotan123 [2d\]: p12 no mistake donzet [?\]: r10 looks natural adrian32bv [9k\]: s15-p12:D zyklop [1d\]: by attacking w´s stones on the left b might get new moyo aGOsto [?\]: mmm true Kuros [8k\]: aspergers ftw ampwyo [7k\]: plays nicely agains d 10 sfrex [1k\]: i like q8 adrian32bv [9k\]: s15 - p10:D R [1k\]: I plays r10 without any thinking hehe2009 [1d?\]: S10 R9 R14 C6 jinkidie [16k\]: i gues it all comes down to how many points b thinks his influence will be worth aGOsto [?\]: r12 was too deep aGOsto [?\]: just q12 would have been fine light3 [2k?\]: dont worry w can't lose b will fall asleep before he can complete his last move wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) jinkidie [16k\]: r10 r14 r8 w lives small and quiet CatoMajor [2k\]: Hmm, R10 looks like the only move locally? PAUCHOK [?\]: um.. I think it might be right. I really don't like r10 move now zyklop [1d\]: r12 seems to me like w´s burden wotan123 [2d\]: r10 or r8 CatoMajor [2k\]: Oh, right, I guess r8 would work too. Tlina [7k\]: w must have read this sequence so why hasn't he played yet ? wotan123 [2d\]: not so simple jersta [15k\]: can w do watari after playing r8? :o Hanne [3k\]: p15 oso possible jinkidie [16k\]: q 15 gets mashed i tink Apoptosis [7k\]: will w try to take advantage of cut at p15 aGOsto [?\]: if r8 black just plays r10 donzet [?\]: thzez's is so many sequence to read EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 light3 [2k?\]: its all mind games by pointlessly wasting time w is slowly luring black in sleep mooncloth [1k\]: Tlina: because now he reads more nhhm [2d?\]: will the champions of European and US have a match? kenjiro43 [8k\]: I hope so fanfare: nhhm, if you can organize it EuroGoTV1 [-\]: would be nice! fanfare: go ahead :P wotan123 [2d\]: they will play in island Hanne [3k\]: or maybe r14 first, sente threat jinkidie [16k\]: p15 p14 q15 r15 yuk donzet [?\]: USEurogotv will be present R [1k\]: the island will Japan? Tlina [7k\]: Iceland maybe qsorix [10k\]: i believe they have enough time so catalin can even sleep for an hour ;-) wotan123 [2d\]: yes Argentum [5k?\]: Island? are you thinking of ICeland? wotan123 [2d\]: i mean iceland Argentum [5k?\]: :-) wotan123 [2d\]: island in german golgo13 [12k\]: I recomand greenland... its getting warmer there... oddalot [7k\]: most go players don't look like they work out Hanne [3k\]: eisland wotan123 [2d\]: schoko ice PAUCHOK [?\]: most people who go to gym don't look like they play go either oddalot [7k\]: except catalin donzet [?\]: chang hao spend more than 2 hours in such position against lee chang ho oddalot [7k\]: so this move is decisive? wotan123 [2d\]: yes ampwyo [7k\]: how much time do they have for these matches? Argentum [5k?\]: I would spend 2 years against lee chang ho Argentum [5k?\]: and lose anyway aGOsto [?\]: just to resign afterwards? Argentum [5k?\]: yeah golgo13 [12k\]: I think go players in general seems more out of shape than chess players.... and I dont much like chess oOiOo [1d\]: out of shape ? Hanne [3k\]: if this is so hard, w shouldn't have played r12 in the first place qsorix [10k\]: chess games doesn't take so long so they have more time ;) oOiOo [1d\]: lol i'm thai boxer ^^ oddalot [7k\]: lol, i think it's the other way around Argentum [5k?\]: Dinerchtein is waiting for wintogo 7d to comment in the kibitz? R [1k\]: I think broadcasted games should be played faster because they spend much time of many viewers wotan123 [2d\]: the time of chess is over, go is the new star AoX [11k\]: gosh I can't stand chess it feels so limitated T_T and I agree with wotan ] ;W[rj]C[qsorix [10k\]: not to mention bandwidth ;) Hanne [3k\]: eh eh Tlina [7k\]: low aGOsto [?\]: wowowowo Malignus [12k\]: go is actually the OLD star ] ;B[rg]C[hanniibal [6k\]: euroGO tu peux centre la cam car il y as trop d'espace derriere catilin et legerement zommer Malignus [12k\]: its beed here for a longer time :D oddalot [7k\]: hmmm ampwyo [7k\]: meh lets not taint the game by thinking about entertainment value oddalot [7k\]: s7 right? oddalot [7k\]: or r8? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: my french is not so good oOiOo [1d\]: blanc est dans le coca EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he asks if you can center the camera more on them jinkidie [16k\]: le coca? Argentum [5k?\]: no drugs talk, please aGOsto [?\]: le caca plutôt haha Hanne [3k\]: r14 jinkidie [16k\]: coca est brun, oui? SuperFrank [4k\]: s 8 Hanne [3k\]: r14 to get s12 in sente Bembelbote [-\]: isnt that a bit overplayed by white? :) PAUCHOK [?\]: looks better eurogo hanniibal [6k\]: merci ampwyo [7k\]: i quit playing chess pretty much when i started playing go aGOsto [?\]: that was a fast reply donzet [?\]: white can live but outside will be damaged josekimq [1k\]: q9 ? oOiOo [1d\]: I quit playing chess when I started playing chess :p qsorix [10k\]: can he attack threaten to cut and make s13 weaker this way? TeeSushi [3d\]: kobayashi fuseki :D ampwyo [7k\]: b has been playing quite a bit quicker that w Tlina [7k\]: b must have been anticipating when w hesitated oddalot [7k\]: white is digging himself into a hole? aGOsto [?\]: both games train the mind differently aGOsto [?\]: some people are made for chess, others for go, that's all Lebron [?\]: what is s10!!!! oddalot [7k\]: chess is a cowards game ColorCoded: computers are made for chess, not people Direct [4k\]: w lose oddalot [7k\]: haha just kidding oOiOo [1d\]: mmm computers are getting better at go ^^ TeeSushi [3d\]: s13 very fierce move AoX [11k\]: computers are made for everything XD in 5-7 years or maybe sooner they ll trash humans at go too R [1k\]: s10 is too difficult to understand without high-dan comments wotan123 [2d\]: s13 like cruise missile Bembelbote [-\]: somehow dinerstein seems to like the 2nd line. he showed some wicked moves on it the games before as well jinkidie [16k\]: oboy w hite does no hold the corner in, does not invade the corner and does bot break the growing moyo josekimq [1k\]: q 9 ? Tlina [7k\]: peoplme are not made for anything Tlina [7k\]: people* (i hate keyboards) jersta [15k\]: i really can't understand s10 :(( TeeSushi [3d\]: i prefer q8 now oOiOo [1d\]: I will stop go the day of a professional will loose against a computer in an even game ^^ R [1k\]: may be simple s4 ? aGOsto [?\]: if i was white i'd press black down with r13 Godaisuki [1k\]: taking algorithms for 10^123 is something.... kenjiro43 [8k\]: oOiOo-I won't Lol Hanne [3k\]: oOiOo, even if the pro loses by absence ? oOiOo [1d\]: lol AoX [11k\]: XD dxxd [-\]: don't want to speak offtopic, but people seem to think here chess is only pure brute force calculation, which is not the case adrian32bv [9k\]: q14???? Argentum [5k?\]: chess vs Go is boring SuperFrank [4k\]: it would be a loss for w to give up now Argentum [5k?\]: lets talk about this game Godaisuki [1k\]: I love chess =D Bembelbote [-\]: yep, q8 and maybe try to keep them light and use s10 as aji. but anyway, p12 really sucks for w kenjiro43 [8k\]: dxxd-I know that oddalot [7k\]: q14 seems dumb nhhm [2d?\]: how about quantum computer on this game? Godaisuki [1k\]: let's play: c4 Tsumugari [4k\]: i've said r12 is a dead stone :) Godaisuki [1k\]: it will be a dead group soon monthadar [5k\]: a chess friend, thinks go is just playing by feeling :P Larrave [3k\]: ^^ wotan123 [2d\]: the main problem for w is not simple ti live hehe2009 [1d?\]: lol w lives easy ampwyo [7k\]: well from what i understand about quantum computing (very very little) if they ever get them to the point of solving traveling salesmen problems more efficiently than people, than go probably won't be far behind Larrave [3k\]: chess is all about playing variatinos out of the book^^ TeeSushi [3d\]: i play go to 90% by feeling KoReNJe [3d\]: where are the results? SuperFrank [4k\]: shouldnt w play s 8 zyklop [1d\]: if w lives on the right b may get bottom right corner Bembelbote [-\]: even if w lives, the outside and the growing moyo is way to big and thick SuperFrank [4k\]: that is if he is trying to live monthadar [5k\]: that's good, me 99% ^_^ Larrave [3k\]: me 120% Larrave [3k\]: ^^ TeeSushi [3d\]: sometimes you need to calculate a little wotan123 [2d\]: agree bembelbote, and therefore he thinks so much PAUCHOK [?\]: now when I think of it.. maybe white's l17 was too slow in the game Tsumugari [4k\]: l17 is the joseki Bembelbote [-\]: L17 is joseki monthadar [5k\]: you just calc when it is a small fight...at least me blitzfan [5k\]: resultas are there : http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472 KoReNJe PAUCHOK [?\]: so what if joseki? Bembelbote [-\]: joseki and also honte wotan123 [2d\]: looseki TeeSushi [3d\]: in situations when its "damn im dying ... need to find a way to survive" ColorCoded: something being joseki does not mean it could not be bad in some (or most) wholeboard situations zyklop [1d\]: joseki could be slow too TeeSushi [3d\]: know your josekis then forget them is a proverb Tsumugari [4k\]: in this case it's even wotan123 [2d\]: joseki is overestimated zyklop [1d\]: ^^ profi [2d\]: l17 was important Tsumugari [4k\]: nop in this situation is right Needo [11k\]: how bad is R8 ? ampwyo [7k\]: joseki is just whats supposed to come out equal if no other stones on the board... am i right? Hanne [3k\]: q9 or what Larrave [3k\]: yes Larrave [3k\]: joseki is local donzet [?\]: i like s13 it really push the fight in the right direction hehe2009 [1d?\]: joseki is using the brain of someone else SuperFrank [4k\]: the time limit is long i guess Tsumugari [4k\]: joseki is the best moves ever played PAUCHOK [?\]: it gave black the edge- move p6 R [1k\]: Alexander is forced to read deeply Tsumugari [4k\]: but in regarde of the situation oOiOo [1d\]: best move based on what ? wotan123 [2d\]: hehe2009: totally agree SuperFrank [4k\]: do they have like 2 and a half hour on this one game hehe2009 [1d?\]: hehe Tsumugari [4k\]: 5000 years of pro plays Kuros [8k\]: wisdom and experience of many generations SuperFrank [4k\]: cause that is really something oOiOo [1d\]: mouais Tsumugari [4k\]: oui Bembelbote [-\]: r8 does not make any eyeshape and w will be chased through the whole board ampwyo [7k\]: all that wisdom and experience is still being added too though... new moves now may be "joseki" in the future... wotan123 [2d\]: the korean players smashed the history of joseki developing mope: Greedy invasion luciangela [7k\]: w r8? Kuros [8k\]: very true Tsumugari [4k\]: s7 oOiOo [1d\]: If you know how to read deep enough, and which direction to take there is no need for joseki Tsumugari [4k\]: of course SuperFrank [4k\]: r8 Argentum [5k?\]: duh Needo [11k\]: thanks hehe2009 [1d?\]: shape is 90 % of the game ;-) wotan123 [2d\]: i consider joseki thinking really dangerous Tsumugari [4k\]: but joseki are there to teach you how to think right oOiOo [1d\]: agree mope: Already lost the game golgo13 [12k\]: but how can u read deep enuf, when u have only about 20sec/move? :) Tsumugari [4k\]: even if don't folow the joseki ColorCoded: You have to know the direction by yourself, josekis won't help in that - easy to pick wrong ones donzet [?\]: i think some studies is riquired to get pro oOiOo [1d\]: go is not blitz lol ^^ blitz is another game Baccano [2d\]: joseki are meant to be created, not learned ;-) it's fun cause most beginner try to understand pro games and later learn joseki by hearth, while they should do the exact opposite :p mope: Katalin European Champion for the 2 nd time Bembelbote [-\]: i'm reall curious about the next move here Luffyop [2k\]: r9 PAUCHOK [?\]: so instead of l17 white could better c16 or something else ampwyo [7k\]: i've yet to study anything... i don't really know joseki wotan123 [2d\]: one player was angry on me, because i played the joseki fals and won ;-) jersta [15k\]: i never analized a pro game jersta [15k\]: cuz my brain it's about to blow up jinkidie [16k\]: q11 might get interesting Bembelbote [-\]: pros shpuld analyze pro games :P hanzala [4k\]: JERSTA dont worry. you are not alone :) donzet [?\]: even tired catalin is more fotogenic like champion jersta [15k\]: :)) monthadar [5k\]: thats the problem with learnign joseki by heart, if someone plays wrong your at a loss :P jersta [15k\]: ahahahaha olive61 [6k\]: he's already taken PAUCHOK [?\]: wow... the other game I was watching finished while Alex was thinking on this one move Argentum [5k?\]: where are the high dans???? Luffyop [2k\]: in this case you can learning also the false fosedi too wotan123 [2d\]: yes, monthadar, all is nice if the opponent make no joseki mistake ;-) golgo13 [12k\]: jerta, dont try to analyze pro games. but play through the kifu and try to get a feel for the flow of the game, try to notice what they DONT DO jersta [15k\]: i wonder the same argentum SuperFrank [4k\]: if w doesnt live then its really his loss R [1k\]: this game is different. They are European pro ;) ] ;W[ql]C[mope: Even if Dinershteyn alive Katalin receive strong xternal influence EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Argentum [5k?\]: no europeans pros jersta [15k\]: thx golgo SuperFrank [4k\]: the high dans are probably watching this at home or they just dont care Argentum [5k?\]: Japanese and korean pros Bembelbote [-\]: r8 xD sick :) SuperFrank [4k\]: they dont have to be at kgs to see everything if they are that much into go jersta [15k\]: w lives small? Argentum [5k?\]: Dinerchtein is pro in Korean and taranu in Japan, there are no european pro asociation ampwyo [7k\]: i think if w succeeds in living here, hes also succeeding in letting black build some nice thickness.... Bembelbote [-\]: b s7 or p8? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: p8 golgo13 [12k\]: but so far B is not that thick on the right.... jinkidie [16k\]: living here isn not enough Argentum [5k?\]: B cant stop w on both sides wotan123 [2d\]: p8 would be the normal response Kuros [8k\]: not sure if the thickness is facing in the best direction though? :o jinkidie [16k\]: need to live and connect, or live and reach centre ] ;B[ol]C[Bembelbote [-\]: i think so too. but on the other side i really feel the urge to punish white hard here :P papamisha [2d\]: Q7 looks better snowman [-\]: catalin style jersta [15k\]: u were correct :) Tiny81 [5k\]: isn't b R10 later a problem? kenjiro43 [8k\]: w looks he's about to die? justatry [1k\]: this looks bad for w Larrave [3k\]: catalin doesnt kill or^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on Tom the betting changed from 100% for white to 75% for black Larrave [3k\]: just keeps small donzet [?\]: now to live white has to make very bad moves TeeSushi [3d\]: white played the move i sugested :D TeeSushi [3d\]: q11 or q9 maybe now snowman [-\]: can you actually lose money by betting on go results... Baccano [2d\]: probably only 4 bets so far tho :p donzet [?\]: really snowman give me the link where i can bet? KoReNJe [3d\]: results? tsuchigumo [-\]: How to best develop D10 is a difficult problem Reiter101 [-\]: the diffrence is, dinerchtein did not pass the pro exam, catalin is the only european pro to pass the exam kumbhaka [3d\]: b+r :) Adin [2d\]: ae they betting on money or just for fun? snowman [-\]: ask harry, eurogotv that is EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know; it is now 93% for black Reiter101 [-\]: but dinerchtein's score against taranu is like 3-2 or something Reiter101 [-\]: for diner EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i cant read chinese tsuchigumo [-\]: Hans Pietsch golgo13 [12k\]: I dont think u have to pass an exam to become a korean pro Tiny81 [5k\]: how did dinerchtein become pro then, if he didnt pass? donzet [?\]: schlemper pass the exam long time ago Reiter101 [-\]: you do if your korean Baccano [2d\]: honorary title ] ;W[rh]C[Reiter101 [-\]: they promote him to promote go TeeSushi [3d\]: catalin is the only living european pro who passed the pro exam Baccano [2d\]: he asked nicely? :p jersta [15k\]: hane ? w think he can live Reiter101 [-\]: he gets a "rank up" every 5 years tsuchigumo [-\]: Hans Pietsch? Tiny81 [5k\]: honorary title for what? Bembelbote [-\]: s7? zaki: beying sexy jinkidie [16k\]: sneaky w has bought time tsuchigumo [-\]: Ok living magners [2k\]: tsuchigumo, hans is death? Argentum [5k?\]: honoray title for Not chatting wotan123 [2d\]: hans pietsch was shoot ampwyo [7k\]: thats how taekwon-do works in upper dan levels... time requirements of several years and such Bembelbote [-\]: s12 does not really look like honte, does it? justatry [1k\]: kibitz pro jinkidie [16k\]: r14 TeeSushi [3d\]: hans pietsch and manfred wimmer passed the pro exam but arent alive any more :( Hanne [3k\]: rest in peace, hans + manfred Bembelbote [-\]: pietsch did not the pass the exam afaik. he was an honorary pro as well wotan123 [2d\]: a tragedy for german go donzet [?\]: ronald schlemper is still alive R [1k\]: b r7 hanniibal [6k\]: s9 tsuchigumo [-\]: Of course qualified, but elected to leave Japan. Reiter101 [-\]: just because he is doesnt make him any weaker tsuchigumo [-\]: Schlemper was no. 1 in the A insei league herminator [2d?\]: schlemper is not pro liberrimo [1d\]: where is schlemper now? Bembelbote [-\]: wasn't schlemper the 2-2 fuseki guy? hanniibal [6k\]: s9 cut keima with keima herminator [2d?\]: japan donzet [?\]: Hans Pietsch succed the 1p exam and 2p and 3p as well herminator [2d?\]: and 4p Highwayman [1d\]: s9 helps white Argentum [5k?\]: there is no 2p exam oddalot [7k\]: catalin is really good at reading, i think he is going to win this herminator [2d?\]: and was promoted to 6p posthumously liberrimo [1d\]: does schlemper keeps playing go? Reiter101 [-\]: there is no 2p and 3p exam Reiter101 [-\]: you get promoted Reiter101 [-\]: according to your games donzet [?\]: to be 2p you have to be 1p and to make a permanent tournament huggy [3k\]: b thinking about s7? herminator [2d?\]: Both Catalin and Pietsch reached their grades through the Oteai Bembelbote [-\]: mhh. i will look that up at home later :) i think he was promoted to pro because he was a foreigner :) Reiter101 [-\]: japan doesnt have Ootei anymore Argentum [5k?\]: pl talks about 2p exam in kibitz you can ignore ] ;B[qq] ;W[qp] ;B[pq]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: He was promoted in 1997 donzet [?\]: farid ben malek is honorary 1 p at the nihon ki in Bembelbote [-\]: when pietsch was playing there stoll was ooteai kenjiro43 [8k\]: as far as I can tell herminator [2d?\]: Dinerchtein and Shikshina were promoted by special recommendation (first to 1p, then to 3p) Reiter101 [-\]: no dinerchtein gets promoted every 5 years golgo13 [12k\]: I think KBA promotes, strong ama if he wins world champ... Reiter101 [-\]: to promote go Reiter101 [-\]: i think next year he gets promoted again Djaian [3k\]: you think wrong golgo herminator [2d?\]: They used to, but do not do it anymore EuroGoTV2 [-\]: shikshina is 3p now as well? Reiter101 [-\]: yes AoX [11k\]: yes herminator [2d?\]: yes, she and dinerchtein were promoted at the same time EuroGoTV2 [-\]: did she even play go during that time? :P Reiter101 [-\]: im not sure Bembelbote [-\]: but diner is much much much stronger than shikshina AoX [11k\]: yeh she did loose a couple of games from what I remember herminator [2d?\]: she won the European championship golgo13 [12k\]: Djaian, a while ago a korean ama won world ama championship, and he was promoted to 1p ] ;W[op]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: honorary as well then, since best among amateurs does not need to be pro strength Argentum [5k?\]: if you say the most amazing stupidity in kgs kibitz you get promoted to 1T nhhm [2d?\]: maybe he had retired from pro team? Reiter101 [-\]: pro team? golgo13 [12k\]: also if u win 2(or was it 3) pro championship, u become 9p kenjiro43 [8k\]: 1T Argentum? Bembelbote [-\]: mhh, does anyone like r3? :) Argentum [5k?\]: T= pro Troll wotan123 [2d\]: r3 was suprising for me snowman [-\]: black's next move is critical Reiter101 [-\]: This days most korean 1p are stronger them 9p kenjiro43 [8k\]: Lol R [1k\]: imho w is better now EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not me Argentum [5k?\]: :-) oddalot [7k\]: lol, i wish i had a big airhorn and could use it right now Reiter101 [-\]: 9p are usually old people donzet [?\]: r3 looks painfull to me nuBO [2k\]: bbw beat 9p yesterday oddalot [7k\]: can b live at r3 or what? kdjsfhgljs: looked like b changed strategy Porkypine [8k\]: Yah, was awesome Reiter101 [-\]: 9p's are weaker then korean 1p, usually kdjsfhgljs: dont like r3 PAUCHOK [?\]: what about r7 ? profi [2d\]: s6 ampwyo [7k\]: s4? Argentum [5k?\]: Reiter101 [-\]: 9p's are weaker then korean 1p, usually -- see this? this goes to the T promotion list Argentum [5k?\]: 9ps weaker, haha golgo13 [12k\]: lee chang ho became 9p even before he was to take college entrance exam velther: there's truth in his statement, argent jinkidie [16k\]: s4 seems rasonable donzet [?\]: i would have tried to play in s6 befre get into the corner Reiter101 [-\]: they usually are Reiter101 [-\]: most 9p's are old people PAUCHOK [?\]: r7 s6 so to choose either corner or side? ampwyo [7k\]: s 4 might let w connect underneath... Reiter101 [-\]: ive been to korea and that's what ive been told Argentum [5k?\]: Reiter, go take a walk Tsumugari [4k\]: lee sedol is young Reiter101 [-\]: i said usually Reiter101 [-\]: not allways Tsumugari [4k\]: :) Reiter101 [-\]: most 9p's are old kdjsfhgljs: maybe s6 sente to kill group and then link up corner Luffyop [2k\]: lee sedol is maximum 25 and he is 9 p ampwyo [7k\]: im leaving for korea this week hopefully Argentum [5k?\]: my turtle is old and not 9p ampwyo [7k\]: for a year teaching english jinkidie [16k\]: lee sedol's haorcut scares me Reiter101 [-\]: Argentum you dont know what your sating Reiter101 [-\]: saying pstryk: Reiter101 stop annoying audience EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Reiter101 [-\]: im not... golgo13 [12k\]: the reason u see so many old 9p is b/c once u become 9p, u keep the rank until u die Reiter101 [-\]: i know Reiter101 [-\]: and 1p's study all day DrakeBell [5d\]: s6 looks good move Reiter101 [-\]: are really strong Baccano [2d\]: doesn't change the fact you don't remain as strong Reiter101 [-\]: they are at their best donzet [?\]: bO2 wN2 wP2 velther: 1ps have motivation to progress, so their studying is sharp and intense, not like 9ps Lovepove [7k\]: Guys won't the connection at s6 work now? AoX [11k\]: if they were the best all the tournaments would be won by 1p's which is not the case Reiter101 [-\]: that's not true Hanne [3k\]: try {kibitz.cleverRemark(); } catch (Exception e) { } Reiter101 [-\]: lee sedol and changho are 9p's and study all day ] ;B[rn]C[Reiter101 [-\]: every pro studys like 8 hours a day velther: and definitely not all 9ps are weaker than new korean 1ps, but i'm talking most AoX [11k\]: lee sedol is on vacations now : ) so probably not all day for him, just half ^^ Reiter101 [-\]: that's what i said Porkypine [8k\]: How about both of you quiet down DrakeBell [5d\]: i was right !!! Porkypine [8k\]: >_< snowman [-\]: the only move, it seems Reiter101 [-\]: lee sedol is playing for china golgo13 [12k\]: lee chang ho is very well known for his studiousness Baccano [2d\]: r3, q3, costly probe papamisha [2d\]: beautifull rvrey [7k\]: w dead ? kdjsfhgljs: haha mee too golgo13 [12k\]: lee seadol not so kdjsfhgljs: do we get points Reiter101 [-\]: i heard changho replays each of his games over 100 times! Hanne [3k\]: corner grab time ] ;W[rp] ;B[rl]C[wotan123 [2d\]: hm, for me the w stones are dead DrakeBell [5d\]: might be wotan wotan123 [2d\]: but alex is great fighter Baccano [2d\]: they should be, but those exchange in corners were costly Tsumugari [4k\]: dead stones i said no ?? golgo13 [12k\]: R10 papamisha [2d\]: but corner is big Hanne [3k\]: let-the-invasion-die time jinkidie [16k\]: ya drake! olive61 [6k\]: that corner was white anyway Djaian [3k\]: I hope for black that the white stones are dead, otherwise the corner is too big to be given like that expat [4d?\]: not a lot of aji to exploit either huggy [3k\]: corner big, side bigger fatihsulak [2d\]: this cant be good for white Baccano [2d\]: and there's lot more aji to use for white than for black wotan123 [2d\]: godzilla!!! snowman [-\]: the corner is not fully dead either expat [4d?\]: not that much aji imo PAUCHOK [?\]: around d8 now? Hanne [3k\]: go b, live in that corner Tsumugari [4k\]: white aims a ko Tsumugari [4k\]: to win easily wotan123 [2d\]: the q 3 stones has aji, for example m3 or m2 huggy [3k\]: ko? Warfreak2 [5d\]: go catalin Warfreak2 [5d\]: crush this imposter snowman [-\]: there's some ko aji huggy [3k\]: where? blitzfan [5k\]: seems to me il white stones on the right can not live black is far ahead no blitzfan [5k\]: ? beethov [4d\]: catalin will be destroy by alexander Xenopus [?\]: one could get the impression that w is still playing under the influence of the hefty loss yesterday beethov [4d\]: I bet 100 $$$ PAUCHOK [?\]: Alex sits his usual way XD kenjiro43 [8k\]: Not so fast beethov wotan123 [2d\]: ludwig van ampwyo [7k\]: still a bit of board to be played out rockl [15k\]: Kazan gogoogogogo! DrakeBell [5d\]: how much time is left to the players? yakito [3k\]: kler vas bosser ! Warfreak2 [5d\]: dinerchtein is well known to talk big and then retreat from bets Porkypine [8k\]: plenty beethov [4d\]: catalin lost again amator 5d=) jinkidie [16k\]: abandon ship kenjiro43 [8k\]: It happens Beethov Warfreak2 [5d\]: bbw beat feng yun yesterday olive61 [6k\]: respect, mofo beethov beethov [4d\]: ok expat [4d?\]: this game looks no good for W beethov [4d\]: we will see expat [4d?\]: he'll have to play hard to make a moyo Warfreak2 [5d\]: now is the kind of time i wish i had bold :> ] ;W[cn]C[Warfreak2 [5d\]: !crush this imposter, catalin donzet [?\]: w r13and p13 creat a lot of adji wotan123 [2d\]: tenuki!!! kenjiro43 [8k\]: Exactly bethov:we'll see nuBO [2k\]: freak shut uop PAUCHOK [?\]: what time is it in china? donzet [?\]: c6 is a shicho breaker golgo13 [12k\]: pro games are all about keeping options alive.... Onmyoji [2d\]: IT IS DEAD csaba abak [2k\]: eye* EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so w resigns if he dies then I guess EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on Tom it is from 83% black gone to 80% white TeeSushi [3d\]: looks dead to me Ikarium [5k\]: can't really see him getting out of this now long1331 [6k\]: white want to Ko ~~ Tlina [7k\]: tsumegooo ! aGOsto [?\]: mmm not quite Flesk [1k\]: I am on a 100 Mbit line :) qsorix [10k\]: r14 ? Flesk [1k\]: I don Lebron [?\]: that's mero csaba?! Flesk [1k\]: t think it TeeSushi [3d\]: r15 s15 p15 ? Flesk [1k\]: I dont think its by bandwidth :) Baccano [2d\]: Lebron: he's gone now just9x9 [-\]: w wants outside at o8/o6 and build moyo :) aGOsto [?\]: r15 then p15 TeeSushi [3d\]: r15 q15 ] ;W[oe]C[donzet [?\]: w p15 before resign aGOsto [?\]: no Lebron [?\]: whew, i was thinking about someone 30 years younger wotan123 [2d\]: ah aGOsto [?\]: s15 then p15? long1331 [6k\]: R13 first aGOsto [?\]: ?? Tsumugari [4k\]: now r18 aGOsto [?\]: that's bad kenjiro43 [8k\]: W dead? Baccano [2d\]: that's not that blue guy :p that was the previous one heh long1331 [6k\]: R13 donzet [?\]: r18 bye bye Jocky [3d\]: w dead EuroGoTV1 [-\]: q15 followed by r14 Luffyop [2k\]: ko Badduck [5d\]: hm this w group doesnt look good kenjiro43 [8k\]: W dead? Tsumugari [4k\]: the girl is cute kukulis4 [2d\]: black R14 TeeSushi [3d\]: q15 o14 wolokom [5k\]: for w s 15? Curse [9k\]: the little girl is looking and has no idea whats going on TeeSushi [3d\]: very complicated Ikarium [5k\]: still some possibilities long1331 [6k\]: R13 aGOsto [?\]: yeah, i bet she's solved the whole ramifications Tsumugari [4k\]: :) EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Frank Janssen's daughter donzet [?\]: q15 needed Ruddick [9k?\]: Q15 Gary34 [4k?\]: little girl probably 3d wolokom [5k\]: and seki TeeSushi [3d\]: it doesnt die as easy as it seemed some moves ago kenjiro43 [8k\]: for real? Luhmann: link pls^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Luhmann: thx EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no, she's double digit kyu I believe :P Tsumugari [4k\]: r14 TeeSushi [3d\]: the girls are gone? Kuros [8k\]: haha what a n00b long1331 [6k\]: yeah Zeit [11k\]: ... Curse [9k\]: lol someone watches to much of this if they know some guys daughter and what rank she is ciyiben [3k\]: r 15 long1331 [6k\]: white is leaving :D long1331 [6k\]: as i saw long1331 [6k\]: ( on the TV ) ~~ EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I don't watch this, I am here are the congress :P EuroGoTV2 [-\]: *at aGOsto [?\]: black q15 - p14 - r14 avio [2d\]: o 14? Luhmann: b is not sure yet^^ Tulkas [12k\]: lol eurogo is the games provider? so shut up curse wolokom [5k\]: then o 15 mass [3k\]: this looks like ko if w gets o14 oddalot [7k\]: seems like ko is only way huh? Saimon [1d\]: curse ownzed Curse [9k\]: lmao faraon [5d\]: if b r18 w alive Baccano [2d\]: hahaha Tsumugari [4k\]: lol is it eurogo ? long1331 [6k\]: why there are so many people around ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you are looking at EuroGoTV2 now Flesk [1k\]: O14 seems like a solid move at this point aGOsto [?\]: ko here? come on... Tsumugari [4k\]: :) Luffyop [2k\]: if black Q 15 white O 14 black N 14 and white R15 just9x9 [-\]: hehe Baccano [2d\]: haha chro [8k\]: for q15 white has o14 TakokaT [4k\]: back to the game? ;) mass [3k\]: and then w wants s18 or something herminator [2d?\]: Black O14 rydberg [2d\]: q15 p14 r14 q17 q16 s18 and b has some living troubles? Flesk [1k\]: yea O14 wotan123 [2d\]: i like o14 Onmyoji [2d\]: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EuroGoTV2 [-\]: point it at yourself :P long1331 [6k\]: S13 sente Luhmann: o14 r15 mass [3k\]: black must o14 Baccano [2d\]: Lebron: that blue guy long1331 [6k\]: R13 sente long1331 [6k\]: ~~ Baccano [2d\]: and yourself Eurogotv1? :p Flesk [1k\]: R15 leads nowhere after B O14 wolokom [5k\]: yes then s 15 for w EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am too ugly to look at Onmyoji [2d\]: :( oddalot [7k\]: r15, so what? visdevara [9k\]: b O14 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he's too hot for the camera Luhmann: corner weak then oddalot [7k\]: white still won't have any eyes Luhmann: b too Baccano [2d\]: bah :p TakokaT [4k\]: b looks perplexed oddalot [7k\]: maybe weak, but as long as it's alive, then he wins chro [8k\]: for o14 s15 long1331 [6k\]: white dead >"< long1331 [6k\]: by anyway Tsumugari [4k\]: the problem is if white play s15 Luhmann: strong 6kyu rydberg [2d\]: thats the point oddalot, b might get killed which would lose the game Lukan [4d\]: b Q15 nhhm [2d?\]: don't show your face, show your muscle on the camera Tsumugari [4k\]: ha no Tsumugari [4k\]: it doesnt work oddalot [7k\]: might is not good enough oddalot [7k\]: you have to be sure Luhmann: count liberties long1331 [6k\]: who is EuroTV2 ? long1331 [6k\]: :D rydberg [2d\]: precisely ;-) jim [6d\]: Q15? Luhmann: q14 o14 justatry [1k\]: o14 R [1k\]: r18 isn't enough now? wolokom [5k\]: b is proberly not alive in the corner seki? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: uh oh, harry's gone chro [8k\]: q15- r15 Flesk [1k\]: if R18 I think W can live kenjiro43 [8k\]: s18 is good for black? Onmyoji [2d\]: ko long1331 [6k\]: dead >"<> long1331 [6k\]: dead Flesk [1k\]: O14, and then R15 makes one eye in sente and then R11 or something ] ;B[pe]C[Luhmann: ko Onmyoji [2d\]: ko >>><'>>'> oddalot [7k\]: ko jutsu: yay wotan123 [2d\]: hm ] ;W[nf]C[TakokaT [4k\]: a bit unsure of his move :O oddalot [7k\]: what a game~ mass [3k\]: :-) long1331 [6k\]: dont Ko :(( ftroiset [2d\]: not even ko : after R18, this forces n14 Luhmann: so 6dan jim was right Tsumugari [4k\]: white alive Onmyoji [2d\]: seki Muscadet [?\]: no ko ] ;B[mf]C[Luhmann: no ko? Luhmann: lol Ikarium [5k\]: r15 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: there, updated justatry [1k\]: r15 ? Dogen [5k\]: just got here - is there live video? justatry [1k\]: y Tsumugari [4k\]: black lost now he made a mistake expat [4d?\]: w has q11 for later monthadar [5k\]: search eurogotv on the web Jocky [3d\]: dea EuroGoTV2 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Jocky [3d\]: w is dead Dogen [5k\]: thanks EuroGoTV2 [-\]: or look at my info jim [6d\]: yes shibo [4d\]: black's mistake..where? tsuchigumo [-\]: Sequence please tsumagari long1331 [6k\]: ~~ shibo [4d\]: white looks dead to me long1331 [6k\]: there is no girl ~~ fancyfood [1d\]: video working for anyone? luciangela [7k\]: jim, w live or not ? Dogen [5k\]: works for me TakokaT [4k\]: working for me aGOsto [?\]: yes wolokom [5k\]: resign? p 15 was stuped annyway OttosMops [2k\]: fancyfood: yes wotan123 [2d\]: b must die, but not trivial long1331 [6k\]: yeah Luhmann: go alex! olive61 [6k\]: R15, Q16, R14 - 2 eyes donzet [?\]: come on catalin stand up Dogen [5k\]: W R15? olive61 [6k\]: yes jinkidie [16k\]: r10 and live? mass [3k\]: white better should have left this as source for ko threats maybe ] ;W[qf]C[justatry [1k\]: wolokom you can't understand 5% of the meaning of p15 so don't say it's stupidd Luffyop [2k\]: R13 seolki [8d\]: i didnts see many moves, but still w in trouble long1331 [6k\]: one eye ? :( aGOsto [?\]: that's odd Onmyoji [2d\]: p15 typical 3p mistake justatry [1k\]: ^^ Luhmann: lol wotan123 [2d\]: ^^ olive61 [6k\]: T11 second eye long1331 [6k\]: Ko aGOsto [?\]: r15... Highwayman [1d\]: r13 ? Hometet [9k\]: wat w cando? Cassis0 [5d\]: p14 Dita [2d\]: R13 and perhaps P16 dies? long1331 [6k\]: resign josekimq [1k\]: r 13 Tsumugari [4k\]: r15 aGOsto [?\]: r13... black's got time to capture aGOsto [?\]: but... josekimq [1k\]: r 13 Luhmann: i see w alive Hometet [9k\]: w can do something? wolokom [5k\]: I said it befor this game depends on this cut befor played r 8! mamamia: how about s15? Luhmann: at least huge ko ramborocky [8k\]: what the leaders board for this turnament? rydberg [2d\]: r13 seems to make the ko easier for w Luhmann: yeah EuroGoTV2 [-\]: board 1 is leaders' board wotan123 [2d\]: p14 oddalot [7k\]: r13 josekimq [1k\]: no ko Luhmann: ko where b risks all Luffyop [2k\]: no ko R 13 R 15 Q 16 S 15 Q 13 white dead expat [4d?\]: seems like ko to me too EuroGoTV1 [-\]: r15 oddalot [7k\]: if r15 r13 olive61 [6k\]: R13 josekimq [1k\]: r 13 no ko donzet [?\]: r15 difficult ko for white olive61 [6k\]: now! oddalot [7k\]: r13, white dead right;/ Dita [2d\]: r13 r15 q13 q16 p14 q17 ? :) Flesk [1k\]: problem is black can only make 1 eye in corner ? expat [4d?\]: r13 black will die in the corner profi [2d\]: it seems, many-step ko Flesk [1k\]: and liberties are lacking Luhmann: indeed Dita [2d\]: I would play R15 now as B Jocky [3d\]: cornel ce ai facut in partida Jocky [3d\]: ? Ruddick [9k?\]: R15 and resign for w?( EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if r15 white has 1 eye if he wins the ko and black lives for sure Highwayman [1d\]: eurogotv : time left ? Ruddick [9k?\]: hi expat josekimq [1k\]: if r 15 w live expat [4d?\]: hey ruddick :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: time see live tv feed use full screen Luhmann: uf r15 ko ftroiset [2d\]: R13? monthadar [5k\]: they should fix chairs for all spectators... instead of them moving around all the time ^_^ Tsumugari [4k\]: go catalin taranu Curse [9k\]: to far panned out to see time clearly Dogen [5k\]: video seems to be frozen Baccano [2d\]: best I see for white is some yose in corner after black r13, so my bet goes for r13 too. But I probably missread Luhmann: p9 gives some nivce locals threats if w can waste a lib TakokaT [4k\]: what are the times? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: guy in white t-shirt is herminator olive61 [6k\]: mosu' - esti pa sirma? TakokaT [4k\]: thanks Kuros [8k\]: too low res to see the time Tsumugari [4k\]: but the result is ugly because of black thickness frobnitzem [8k\]: 1:13 B, 1:16 W Luhmann: not really justatry [1k\]: nice zoom justatry [1k\]: ! Kuros [8k\]: :D Baccano [2d\]: thank you EuroGoTV1 ;-) Luhmann: ugly when manage o make live w is fine kenjiro43 [8k\]: Go Catalin! Kuros [8k\]: very professional cameramanship Luhmann: question is , if r13 works TakokaT [4k\]: i think b will r15 long1331 [6k\]: they are counting local Kos ~~ olive61 [6k\]: 276 viewers for this game - it's a record R [1k\]: pro players should have a gun to kill spectators off and to make the room calm ;) Luhmann: no EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol uwaki [-\]: I don't see the harm in R13 Luhmann: we have been about 1000 allready GP01 [3k\]: theres way too many ko threats for white.... monthadar [5k\]: 527 observers on KGS :) oddalot [7k\]: 528 wotan123 [2d\]: but its not a record Onmyoji [2d\]: 529 oddalot [7k\]: wrong again Sebastian [2k\]: yawn aGOsto [?\]: wahahaha aGOsto [?\]: that hurts olive61 [6k\]: I meant for the live camera oddalot [7k\]: what happened oddalot [7k\]: where did they go TakokaT [4k\]: he played R13? Corangar [4k\]: rr13, white conected? Baccano [2d\]: r13 q13 Luffyop [2k\]: r 13 Luhmann: r13 r15 mperahia [3k\]: they seem s bored ] ;B[qg] ;W[pg] ;B[qe] ;W[pc]C[Luhmann: o ] ;B[of]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: :E Luhmann: this one long1331 [6k\]: wow karesim [5k\]: wb eurogotv. chro [8k\]: white could live with ko GP01 [3k\]: are they allow to get so close to the game? thats pretty distracting isn't it? Tsumugari [4k\]: black looks like he is doomed josekimq [1k\]: white could die with ko Tulkas [12k\]: i think pros can handle that ] ;W[rk]C[Ninjan [6k\]: link to the game please EuroGo.. josekimq [1k\]: !!!!! Baccano [2d\]: they are used to it GP01 Luhmann: hard ko for w Baccano [2d\]: all go games are like that in europe Highwayman [1d\]: impossible ko for white Luhmann: hmm wotan123 [2d\]: mission impossible justatry [1k\]: chuck norris can win this ko PAUCHOK [?\]: Jack Sparrow Nilatarion [2d\]: yes Gary34 [4k?\]: surely b is the only one with anything to lose in this ko long1331 [6k\]: white is dead chro [8k\]: black doesnot have too much ko threats long1331 [6k\]: by anyway long1331 [6k\]: >"< Sebastian [2k\]: hm black corner not too secure Novalys [2k\]: w playing very weird in this game expat [4d?\]: on next ko take b will connect q16 profi [2d\]: easy ko for white, no? ] ;B[rm] ;W[oe] ;B[pd]C[Luhmann: hehe Luhmann: w alive long1331 [6k\]: 100 Ko for black there justatry [1k\]: 54646542 step ko Sebastian [2k\]: b no threats josekimq [1k\]: w dead !!! abak [2k\]: s18 ) expat [4d?\]: b doesn't need threats, w needs them EuroGoTV1 [-\]: s18 jutsu: both dead tsuchigumo [-\]: b's threats are to live Luffyop [2k\]: T13 justatry [1k\]: s18 only move i czan see abak [2k\]: 2834658735 steps Tsumugari [4k\]: but if black die in the corner jinkidie [16k\]: s15 BenSenTen [?\]: s18 long1331 [6k\]: double Ko expat [4d?\]: yes b will use his threats to live Mukti [4d\]: actuallu only 2-3 steps long1331 [6k\]: so black is alive anyway mass [3k\]: w should p14 and resign ;) Luhmann: b not alive anyway long1331 [6k\]: b is alive long1331 [6k\]: ~~ igimeru [1k\]: b not alive, by any means wotan123 [2d\]: 3 step ko is considered impossible to win R [1k\]: seems B lives on double-ko, therefore w dead igimeru [1k\]: cause S13 sente long1331 [6k\]: b alive long1331 [6k\]: totally safe Mukti [4d\]: where is there a double ko??? frobnitzem [8k\]: this corner is boring already Luhmann: blah long BenSenTen [?\]: both may alive or dead~~~~~ long1331 [6k\]: >"< expat [4d?\]: people in this chat are hallucinating haha aGOsto [?\]: totally long1331 [6k\]: 1 more at the conner if white try to kill ~~ R [1k\]: the first at p15 , the second in corner aGOsto [?\]: if u gave sequences we could discuss more seriously expat [4d?\]: listen to agosto Mukti [4d\]: w s18, then b cannot live, so direct ko. Only b has internal threats to live. W must kill to live jutsu: live Ruddick [9k?\]: S18 tsuchigumo [-\]: Sequences? That would involved reading. No serious KGS kibbitzer does that. Mukti [4d\]: w has two threats at Q8+atari wintogo [7d\]: wow ] ;W[qb] ;B[of]C[Luffyop [2k\]: white cant win justatry [1k\]: :o long1331 [6k\]: see ? long1331 [6k\]: white can not play at S18 Luffyop [2k\]: black just need to create a ko in the corner expat [4d?\]: q8 long1331 [6k\]: there will be 1 more Ko justatry [1k\]: t13 ? Mukti [4d\]: w no loger needs s18 now, long Luhmann: w has 5 threats imo Mukti [4d\]: b is dead locally ] ;W[sg]C[uwaki [-\]: so is white Dogen [5k\]: how can W live here? even if he wins the ko? ] ;B[re]C[justatry [1k\]: by killing Luhmann: b lost when he connects? Mukti [4d\]: w will live by capturing the corner, Dogen mperahia [3k\]: why do they place their stones so softly... this game is not about love ] ;W[oe] ;B[rb] ;W[ra] ;B[of]C[ampwyo [7k\]: theres a time and a place for playing loud moves AndreasM [10k?\]: ... long1331 [6k\]: connect reduce the number of Kos EuroGoTV2 [-\]: killing me softly mass [3k\]: after all w gets corner in sente expat [4d?\]: q8 now? oddalot [7k\]: now w has to make two eyes mperahia [3k\]: :) mass [3k\]: at least some pts Luhmann: oddalot Luhmann: after all w has to win this ko Kuros [8k\]: it's a good idea to slam the stone as hard as you can when in a cramped position Luffyop [2k\]: Q11 Daoloth [-\]: q8 works as a threat schilds [11k\]: what is the link to the video? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: slamming stones in cramped positions can lead to hilarious situations EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 schilds [11k\]: thanks Mukti [4d\]: q8 is a point-losing threat but I can see no alternative Sebastian [2k\]: gamedeciding ko Luffyop [2k\]: Q11 steng: p10? oddalot [7k\]: q8? Sebastian [2k\]: or compromise? Luhmann: q8 Baccano [2d\]: gamedecided ko rather josekimq [1k\]: p 11 Kirigo: q8 FLOsFATE [5k\]: q8 + o8 abak [2k\]: yee josekimq [1k\]: p 11 Dogen [5k\]: they still have plenty of time? Luffyop [2k\]: QQQQQQ11111111 Sebastian [2k\]: timesuji Curse [9k\]: just over hour each kukulis4 [2d\]: the game deciding fight rydberg [2d\]: Now that w has no local threats against the b corner, he will have to live by using escape threats, no? expat [4d?\]: p11 is no good mperahia [3k\]: b should have givin white 2 stones expat [4d?\]: can w escape afterwards? josekimq [1k\]: more kos ?? expat [4d?\]: i still guess q8 justatry [1k\]: b4 Russianlll [4k\]: there's another video link other than eurogotv isn't it? FLOsFATE [5k\]: like p11 too Dogen [5k\]: maybe it's in both their interests to have both live ] ;W[bp]C[Sebastian [2k\]: nice long1331 [6k\]: wow Luhmann: hehe good call long1331 [6k\]: not local Ko anymore rydberg [2d\]: i agree expat, i seems very difficult, meaning b played the ko smartly - i guess hes pro or something ;-) justatry [1k\]: not a call i saw it on tv justatry [1k\]: :( Highwayman [1d\]: p15 Dogen [5k\]: connect nolimits [2d\]: ;) expat [4d?\]: if white kills the corner there Luhmann: no b must awnaser expat [4d?\]: then black has lost a lot in this ko Jocky [3d\]: 17s Baccano [2d\]: I would answer Tsumugari [4k\]: here tenuki ] ;B[sb]C[BenSenTen [?\]: c4 Luhmann: ahh Luhmann: game is open again! Luhmann: or??? R [1k\]: Dinerchtein looks so confident in this troubleful position. How he can? wintogo [7d\]: oops expat [4d?\]: ouch wintogo [7d\]: why? aware [1d\]: oO ] ;W[cp]C[Mukti [4d\]: It is not as bad as it may look for w josekimq [1k\]: 2 eyes justatry [1k\]: madness, this is sparta wintogo [7d\]: black is bad Tsumugari [4k\]: how to live in the corner now GP01 [3k\]: hahaahaha BenSenTen [?\]: ......??? Luhmann: 5p is bad lol# expat [4d?\]: white will close bottom in sente Georg [1d\]: b F2 and B3 ? ] ;B[fk]C[ftroiset [2d\]: Q17 Tsumugari [4k\]: b2 Mukti [4d\]: top right is about 45 points rydberg [2d\]: yes, why t18.... Mukti [4d\]: this threat was huge JoK [6k\]: and suddenly w has 2 and a half corners Mukti [4d\]: still open game expat [4d?\]: white lost s18 endgame play, at least expat [4d?\]: by playing this way. also black is solid around n14 wintogo [7d\]: give up the corner.. Arakasi [4k\]: i don't understand T18 Baccano [2d\]: also made black a lot stronger on the outside kumbhaka [3d\]: b+r Sakeus [18k\]: black doesnt look happy mass [3k\]: t18 --> b alive expat [4d?\]: arakasi black is alive and made big endgame EuroGoTV1 [-\]: t18 is 2 eyes wintogo [7d\]: no good justatry [1k\]: still some aji around w "dead" group Mukti [4d\]: T18 is to finish the ko, as b can either live or connect the ko now, Arakasi Luhmann: t18 is miai uwaki [-\]: t18 is life BenSenTen [?\]: t18 may mean b doesn't need the ko to kill duha: h Arakasi [4k\]: ok Saimon [1d\]: bottom left still can live no? expat [4d?\]: yes saimon Orc [4d\]: when white 17s, blk dare not 16s now long1331 [6k\]: don't know wintogo [7d\]: just kill the corner Mukti [4d\]: yes, with b2 Badduck [5d\]: w is lost GP01 [3k\]: has to create another chaos for ko threat expat [4d?\]: black did not want gote in the corner. interesting expat [4d?\]: i dare you to play like that :P ] ;W[gj]C[DrH0use [2d\]: us go tournament finished? AndreasM [10k?\]: no Orc [4d\]: C7! monthadar [5k\]: feels like the live stream is laggin behind KGS? Sebastian [2k\]: its on purpose monthadar [5k\]: why? TomGo [1k\]: players' time, EUROGO? Sebastian [2k\]: so no naked people will be streamed Tsumugari [4k\]: f7 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: KGS is sponsor of the live TV broadcast BenSenTen [?\]: w need to capture these to win Tsumugari [4k\]: or h8 long1331 [6k\]: white seem like my teacher :D massilia [1d\]: i don't agry ben long1331 [6k\]: Math teacher massilia [1d\]: the 2 corners are very big long1331 [6k\]: yeah oddalot [7k\]: epic game FLOsFATE [5k\]: b2 is life for b? Luhmann: b3 gote life weirdchess [5k\]: can b live with b3? Luhmann: b2* EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b2 i believe massilia [1d\]: not sure b3 got life long1331 [6k\]: B2 live Georg [1d\]: F2 first? gghnh: b3 live ] ;B[cm]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: wtf Luhmann: w will resign_::(( oddalot [7k\]: lol Luhmann: oOO Sebastian [2k\]: b needs some help there aware [1d\]: fancy footwork -> sabaki time^^ Georg [1d\]: now C4 getting bullied :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white wont resign expat [4d?\]: far too early to resign Badduck [5d\]: why not? Luhmann: hmm why not?? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he doesnt resign Oloril [1k\]: never give up, never surrender! Sebastian [2k\]: too early expat [4d?\]: if b lives he will resign EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no PAUCHOK [?\]: poor Dinerchtein... I pity him so much expat [4d?\]: well, then that's annoying :) Mukti [4d\]: whys hould w resign? teh hgame is completely undecided velther: din's all about yose, so he might at least wait till then R [1k\]: eurogotv1, you can make an offer to w ;) monthadar [5k\]: enjoy last moments of the game =) oddalot [7k\]: omg is that guy holding a KNIF!! Orc [4d\]: white lost the game already, big grp died with very little compensation Sakeus [18k\]: haha Tsumugari [4k\]: ... FLOsFATE [5k\]: c8 PAUCHOK [?\]: rly looked like a kinfe there :) long1331 [6k\]: what is this guy doing :| tsuchigumo [-\]: No way b has serious problems with D10 group. mez [12k\]: being 5p Mukti [4d\]: It's not that little compensation. olive61 [6k\]: white has still a lot to say in this game - it's far from over oddalot [7k\]: "hey check out my belly" Luhmann: go t-shirts arent sexy club dress at all JoK [6k\]: it is maybe a extremistic chess player.. long1331 [6k\]: i mean the knif guy :\\ expat [4d?\]: i agree this game is not over yet, the bottom was good compensatino for w Orc [4d\]: D10 grp is very safe and easy to treat expat [4d?\]: after all, b had already surrounded w long1331 [6k\]: b 's going to toilet :D mambo [5d\]: left black group is alive in one move , right black hroup is alive in ko GP01 [3k\]: u guys notice thsat all the old dudes there are like balding... RaHoBerlin [4d\]: never resign - your opponent can still drop dead olive61 [6k\]: it fact, the most interresting part is still to come FLOsFATE [5k\]: there is a live stream from the real game? bubucar [?\]: sorry what does 3p mean ?? GP01 [3k\]: thast like a sign for all go players FLOsFATE [5k\]: or its an internet tourney? bubucar [?\]: 3 dan? GP01 [3k\]: WE ALL GOING BALD IN THE END! Tsumugari [4k\]: 3 dan pro azuma [3k\]: PROFESSIONAL bubucar [?\]: oh engels [?\]: 3 dan pro bubucar [?\]: thanks azuma [3k\]: sry long1331 [6k\]: 6k means ? ~~ justatry [1k\]: noob bubucar [?\]: 6 kyu bubucar [?\]: lol long1331 [6k\]: i prefer noob :D FLOsFATE [5k\]: this is an internet tourney? weirdchess [5k\]: only 17 ranks from 3p :) Baccano [2d\]: how to know if p means pro dan or pro kyu tho? :p EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 long1331 [6k\]: EuroGo spaming ~~ ] ;W[cl]C[engels [?\]: No, it's a face to face tournament, being live broadcasted FLOsFATE [5k\]: haaaahaaa FLOsFATE [5k\]: i called c8 FLOsFATE [5k\]: so fun :) ] ;B[dm]C[frobnitzem [8k\]: Great! Now the gloves come off. FLOsFATE [5k\]: 5k :) FLOsFATE [5k\]: w will lose this :) long1331 [6k\]: yeah long1331 [6k\]: i have white ] ;W[bm]C[GP01 [3k\]: nice, i like the 5p long1331 [6k\]: i hate white ] ;B[dl]C[Badduck [5d\]: b has sme aji at p2 GP01 [3k\]: he is chaos style kumbhaka [3d\]: b+r Luhmann: /censor long1331 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i like both players hanniibal [6k\]: ^^ ] ;W[bl]C[Zeit [11k\]: i like a cup of coffee Orc [4d\]: white resign plz expat [4d?\]: w will not kill black here Tsumugari [4k\]: h8 BenSenTen [?\]: w kill b pls FLOsFATE [5k\]: where to escape to ? frobnitzem [8k\]: I think its nice they're T-shirts match their sides. Badduck [5d\]: h8 or so expat [4d?\]: b has good shape already EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so catalin has green? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: g7 Luhmann: b will life locally aware [1d\]: whos the fan guy? kumbhaka [3d\]: easy win for b... BenSenTen [?\]: it would be exciting if w ckill this b grp DrakeBell [5d\]: Euro how much time do they have left frobnitzem [8k\]: He just beat up knife guy in the hall. Sakeus [18k\]: :) BenSenTen [?\]: easy win is not worth to watch Orc [4d\]: no way lol, blk H8 easy escape FLOsFATE [5k\]: tough to escape without making w strong expat [4d?\]: who cares about making w strong FLOsFATE [5k\]: 5k does :) gornuf [18k\]: lol R [1k\]: keima again? h8 expat [4d?\]: black's wall nullifies w strength in the centre DrakeBell [5d\]: there isnt b2bombers :( leger [1d\]: g7 ciyiben [3k\]: g7 Oiotoshi [2k\]: the black wall compensate a strong position by white ] ;B[fj]C[BenSenTen [?\]: b will not escape n doesn't like to escape Orc [4d\]: if blk secure all grps, there is almost no way white can catch up Luhmann: hehe good move ] ;W[fi] ;B[hl]C[Luhmann: cut RaHoBerlin [4d\]: see: "never push into the keima..." BenSenTen [?\]: he said he is 5p, 5p never escape Oloril [1k\]: white should just slug black in the face and then win on time long1331 [6k\]: this move means escape :| long1331 [6k\]: right ? expat [4d?\]: he pushed so he can attach at h10 next i guess Saimon [1d\]: never say never :-) Luhmann: this move means cut BenSenTen [?\]: of course not rydberg [2d\]: yes, why did b f10 Luhmann: g11 huge Orc [4d\]: f10 is for h10 Luhmann: b is greedy ^^ BenSenTen [?\]: h8 without f10 is escape, with f10 is not frobnitzem [8k\]: Right, what's a keima? expat [4d?\]: f10 is for h10 and eye space ciyiben [3k\]: knight move expat [4d?\]: proverbs don't count in a fight :P Orc [4d\]: f10 is always sente, so h8 only is fine rydberg [2d\]: :-) Badduck [5d\]: cant see a fight ] ;W[hj]C[Luhmann: see he fixes the cut BenSenTen [?\]: f10 then h8 are to build a territory here long1331 [6k\]: easy live expat [4d?\]: he fixes the attachment, not the cut luhmann ] ;B[gn]C[GP01 [3k\]: i guess b has no time for g16 Luhmann: both ok i think Oloril [1k\]: I'm sure I'd die there horribly if I was playing either of these players Orc [4d\]: H10 is the same to say, I resign in nice shape :P veteran [1d\]: seems easy for B now Luhmann: ok if ahead mybye attachment better BenSenTen [?\]: c build a house here, not going to run Luhmann: if not cut was huge expat [4d?\]: lol orc :) GoShinobi [-\]: b2 ? gghnh: time to kill corner F2 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 expat [4d?\]: kill the corner is enough? expat [4d?\]: don't think so FLOsFATE [5k\]: g17? ] ;W[fr]C[qsorix [10k\]: with B just above the corner, killing it doesn't look big R [1k\]: :)) expat [4d?\]: well, i don't think f2 is enough BenSenTen [?\]: b is about 2 stones stronger... luciangela [7k\]: j3 Luhmann: no need to invade Tsumugari [4k\]: h4 qsorix [10k\]: yeah. these were handicaps corners ;-) Badduck [5d\]: sthg lower right? Highwayman [1d\]: m3 ? Orc [4d\]: b2 live karesim [5k\]: Ben, p ranks doesn't work that way FLOsFATE [5k\]: y no need? halfmoku [1d\]: k9 gghnh: N3 gghnh: or M3 Luhmann: attack w left SergeyASh [12k\]: h3 ? sameasyou [2d\]: n4 halfmoku [1d\]: or n5? FLOsFATE [5k\]: tough stone for b now hanniibal [6k\]: this play is equitable now who win ? R [1k\]: n4, n5... m3 ! sameasyou [2d\]: I think w looks great now RaHoBerlin [4d\]: this position shows that go programs don´t work ;-) Luhmann: tenuki Tsumugari [4k\]: k8 Luhmann: and attack c15 tsuchigumo [-\]: b is ahead territorially at the moment hanniibal [6k\]: k3 BenSenTen [?\]: about 2 stones stronger is from the way they play, their strength, not from 5-3p Tsumugari [4k\]: u13 FLOsFATE [5k\]: 5k few would place a k3 Tsumugari [4k\]: x15 expat [4d?\]: mhm EuroGoTV1 [-\]: k9 expat [4d?\]: it seems w is slightly better? Luhmann: no ciyiben [3k\]: no Highwayman [1d\]: no long1331 [6k\]: white is going to toilet ~~ weirdchess [5k\]: i like k3 tsuchigumo [-\]: j9 looks a good point AndreasM [10k?\]: thanks for telling us long.... FLOsFATE [5k\]: but most of time.. dans play a local stone on boards like this long1331 [6k\]: it's ok :D Orc [4d\]: D6 2 use aji Badduck [5d\]: s3? Pattawee [4k\]: do both player have kgs account? Apoptosis [7k\]: e15 Ninjan [6k\]: Is this the last round of EGC? luciangela [7k\]: yes BenSenTen [?\]: k4? Tsumugari [4k\]: breakfast BenSenTen [?\]: l8? BenSenTen [?\]: dinner? AndreasM [10k?\]: w for sure b don´t know Namaskar [1d\]: is bO2 wN2 bP2 alive for black? Gary34 [4k?\]: last round tomorrow? Highwayman [1d\]: no, will be another round FLOsFATE [5k\]: s3 is ko for b or? Tsumugari [4k\]: taranuC andg99 [?\]: black has TaranuC Pattawee [4k\]: thx Luhmann: d14 for fun Tsumugari [4k\]: taranuC and breakfest Badduck [5d\]: at least flo olive61 [6k\]: k3 Namaskar [1d\]: hm allonzo [6k\]: k3 :-) jutsu: who is losing? FLOsFATE [5k\]: looks like b is dead there but much potential olive61 [6k\]: it can go both ways ] ;B[kq]C[FLOsFATE [5k\]: almost.. FLOsFATE [5k\]: y not k3 ? allonzo [6k\]: jutsu: the russian, hopefully... same as in Rocky expat [4d?\]: flosfate probably because k3 has no aji against the corner GP01 [3k\]: he wants n3 or o2 chaos GP01 [3k\]: LOL expat [4d?\]: e.g. o2 qsorix [10k\]: l3 is better because f2 is stronger than o3 R [1k\]: l3 was not called :) Namaskar [1d\]: anf too close to f stones luciangela [7k\]: mybe White come to Shusaku Cup 2010 luciangela [7k\]: for revange sameasyou [2d\]: yes...he is going either for o2 or h3 qsorix [10k\]: and there is some aji at q3 SergeyASh [12k\]: may be kgs open some bookmaker's service, to accept bets on moves? ) BenSenTen [?\]: b wants to make move different from ours Luhmann: some is good Luhmann: tons of aji sameasyou [2d\]: lucian...b has not won this game Luhmann: w in trouble again sameasyou [2d\]: he still has a lot of work to get there ] ;W[or]C[luciangela [7k\]: yet, but ... Hokusai [3k\]: to come in enemy's teritory?:) halfmoku [1d\]: h4? BenSenTen [?\]: hmm, i think b is 3 stones stronger than w Tsumugari [4k\]: h4 Prodigious [5d?\]: wow, such an accurate assesment based on one game Prodigious [5d?\]: what strength sameasyou [2d\]: BenSenTen...that is not true...they are about equal weirdchess [5k\]: lol definitely not 3 stones ] ;B[ee]C[Luhmann: e15^^ BenSenTen [?\]: :)) GP01 [3k\]: man, if b gets out wiht profit, i don't see how white don't resign expat [4d?\]: e15 excellent FLOsFATE [5k\]: proverb says.. play from strengh.. y to play h4 ? ^^ expat [4d?\]: preventing w invasion is very big BenSenTen [?\]: they r not equal, w always in trouble Hokusai [3k\]: last time were strong players at Shusaku, but no Alex.. Hokusai [3k\]: meaby this time;) fatihsulak [2d\]: easy game for black ] ;W[iq]C[long1331 [6k\]: i don't like this shape ~~ Luhmann: (censor long 1331 ] ;B[ko]C[Luhmann: //c luciangela [7k\]: left bottom corner is BIG now Hokusai [3k\]: nice,,, Tsumugari [4k\]: eurk qsorix [10k\]: does anyone here knows the gyu who wrote SE? Tsumugari [4k\]: bad shape luciangela [7k\]: w J5 Luhmann: fix top now silveret [?\]: bad shape for who? R [1k\]: SE is very good program for its purpose fatihsulak [2d\]: l10 is also big gaboza [8k\]: HAI CATALIN! HAI ROMANIA!.....ole...ole...ole..ole! gaboza [8k\]: :) olive61 [6k\]: last 2 B moves were like a symphony.... gabigo [9k?\]: :) FLOsFATE [5k\]: like l10 also janssensei: look at http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1472 for the results of this tournament. w did better Tsumugari [4k\]: zoom long1331 [6k\]: spamer sameasyou [2d\]: olive :) Luhmann: l10 got qsorix [10k\]: i'm not saying SE is bad... i just can't understand why it marks stone dead but leaves the territory they make Luhmann: gote expat [4d?\]: hard for w to attack erkkierkki [7k\]: both hiding cameras :( ampwyo [7k\]: its not sure so it does both prolly weirdchess [5k\]: its a flaw in the programming qsorix plusguy [-\]: dinerchtein is not the resigning type is he erkkierkki [7k\]: ah now back to normal :) FLOsFATE [5k\]: what about c10 ^^ BenSenTen [?\]: w just follow what b wants him to do, w doesn't want to resist at all Kuros [8k\]: also it might be a method of approximation long1331 [6k\]: C10 for what ? ~~ Kirigo: can g17 ? qsorix [10k\]: weirdchess, i know it is. this is why i've asked about its author ;-) nvm. off topic expat [4d?\]: the game is still close FLOsFATE [5k\]: for territory? :) expat [4d?\]: but b has more thickness Luhmann: i doubt expat janssensei: you never winn a game you had give up but you can win a game when it seems very bad for you weirdchess [5k\]: btw KGS 9d game just started if anyone is interested expat [4d?\]: luhmann did you count it? Kuros [8k\]: 9d v 9d game started, yeah luciangela [7k\]: eurogotv, can you..please, focus t-shirt's catalin qgo [4k\]: how to win a won game ? expat [4d?\]: don't doubt, count kumbhaka [3d\]: Haiiiiiiii Catalin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pink9j: thanks weirdchess R [1k\]: SE draws something, and we can discuss it. SE is not exact, SE doesn't mark correct stones etc. because it's not a purpose of SE. BenSenTen [?\]: can't be close, s12 dead long1331 [6k\]: i like himountain games :D long1331 [6k\]: crazy expat [4d?\]: ben did you count it? long1331 [6k\]: games :D luciangela [7k\]: thx alot expat [4d?\]: tsk BenSenTen [?\]: i like takemiya's games gaboza [8k\]: thx euro go ] ;W[jj] ;B[ck]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: the follow up gaboza [8k\]: shusaku cup t-shirt! BenSenTen [?\]: i haven't, don't hv enough fingers... Tsumugari [4k\]: they played at the top mage44 [9k\]: ^^ SuperFrank [4k\]: yea this game will take some time before it ends Tsumugari [4k\]: left EuroGoTV1 [-\]: c9 is prepairing b3 Luhmann: i cant see w more than 55 points Luhmann: s12 is allready 55 points ampwyo [7k\]: is it confidently enough blacks game so i can go to bed kenjiro43 [8k\]: b3 Euro? ampwyo [7k\]: i don't wanna miss some spectacular comeback at the end BenSenTen [?\]: pls stay then ] ;W[nk]C[RaHoBerlin [4d\]: no comeback - saw it in a dream... expat [4d?\]: luhmann s12 is about 45 Chillijan [?\]: What is Diner's tournament record now? Tsumugari [4k\]: taranu is very stressed expat [4d?\]: luhmann w gets komi ] ;B[mk]C[Luhmann: i counted komi Chillijan [?\]: did he win yesterday? expat [4d?\]: catalin sensei obviously read this sequence earlier :) mambo [5d\]: ce mutare urata a pus albul BenSenTen [?\]: wow, very annoying move gabigo [9k?\]: urata, de ce? Orc [4d\]: good move blk, white resign soon Santigre [2k\]: looks about w 60 to black 7075ish at the moment? ] ;W[nl] ;B[pl]C[Santigre [2k\]: 70-75* mambo [5d\]: nobi din piesa moarta in taria negrului Luhmann: not 60 gaboza [8k\]: asa....mai vb si pe romaneste! gabigo [9k?\]: :) Luhmann: if you count safe points only gaboza [8k\]: :) Santigre [2k\]: hmm did you count h2 area as 4? NeoIGO [4k\]: taria negrului suna porno BenSenTen [?\]: will these 3 w stones live?? rydberg [2d\]: w left c9 answered.... this isnt likely to end in sente, is it? Kuros [8k\]: hi, i have a violently orange shirt, therefore i must stand extremely close to the board olive61 [6k\]: Neo :-) gaboza [8k\]: catalin sensei e racit....se vede...nu? monthadar [5k\]: b trying to kill O9 group? ] ;W[mj]C[gaboza [8k\]: altfel termina de mult cu rusul:) rydberg [2d\]: w trying to reduce, preferably in sente gghnh: O10 Luhmann: no nned to kil anything Luhmann: i count c15 3 points BenSenTen [?\]: m10? Luhmann: and you expat? expat [4d?\]: c15? Luhmann: yes? expat [4d?\]: 4 points i guess.. hard to say if b16 will be white's privilege BenSenTen [?\]: c15 4 points? Luhmann: ok 3-4 points Luhmann: so we agree BenSenTen [?\]: should b 4 BenSenTen [?\]: be BenSenTen [?\]: i agree 4 BenSenTen [?\]: ok 3-4 yanor [4k?\]: I think I would resign if I would have been white at this point.... But I am not 3 yanor [4k?\]: 3P R [1k\]: b p10 to simplify Luhmann: so how this game can be any close? expat [4d?\]: i count black top as 12, f10 group as 5 points (say) and the right as 45 Luhmann: top is bigger expat [4d?\]: you have to count minimal territories for both Luhmann: sansan=8 poins expat [4d?\]: so assume b answers k18 and b16 sente sameasyou [2d\]: is there a live feed of the game? jutsu: sansan is wh? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bb3 Wb2 Ba3 Wb1 Bc5 Wd5 Bb6 Wd6 Ba5 BenSenTen [?\]: 33 gabigo [9k?\]: m9? olive61 [6k\]: treaba e cam imputita... sameasyou [2d\]: hey...is there a live feed of this game? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Zeit [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 olive61 [6k\]: ca grupurile negre sunt despartite Luhmann: i count top 10-12 points ] ;B[lj]C[sameasyou [2d\]: does anyone remember my pswd and login name on Eurogotv? BenSenTen [?\]: yeah, vigorous fight ] ;W[lk] ;B[kk]C[leger [1d\]: yeah, it's the sameasme, so i remember jutsu: sameasme ampwyo [7k\]: its probably the sameasyou use here ;) nhhm [2d?\]: m11 ] ;W[ml]C[gabigo [9k?\]: se pare ca negru vrea sa il pape cu totul ] ;B[kl]C[expat [4d?\]: w wants to discconect b so he is forced to eat his stones on the right later? Luhmann: right side 45 looks reasonable long1331 [6k\]: not happy for white ~~ long1331 [6k\]: yeah Yabanjin: are they both pro? Luhmann: center is about 10 BenSenTen [?\]: maybe 4 stones stronger, not 3... Luhmann: so b+10 at leas in safe mode sameasyou [2d\]: ok..it wasn't sameasyou...it was pilgrim...who lied to me? expat [4d?\]: you count more for the centre than me :) anyway, the position just changed expat [4d?\]: he may get 10 now kenjiro43 [8k\]: Seolki, please tell us what do you think? kenjiro43 [8k\]: About the game? kumbhaka [3d\]: b+rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) ColdFront [4k\]: Who has the best chances of winning the tournament? ] ;W[oe] ;B[sd]C[long1331 [6k\]: black is drinking coke kenjiro43 [8k\]: Advertising kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) aGOsto [?\]: thx for the info allonzo [6k\]: ColdFront: if Catalin wins, he does fatihsulak [2d\]: white aiming m11? NeoIGO [4k\]: better than inhaling it ColdFront [4k\]: thanks rydberg [2d\]: p11 starting to look interesting ] ;W[oi]C[long1331 [6k\]: wow allonzo [6k\]: I mean the European Title... long1331 [6k\]: Semiai ] ;B[oj]C[Luhmann: overplay aGOsto [?\]: this is very bad Iodine [4d\]: catalin wil triumph Highwayman [1d\]: probably the winner of this game will be the new european champion expat [4d?\]: w plan is clear kimball [5d?\]: w has to cut but will lose a lot of his liberties with his n8 group Luhmann: resign in 5 moves i bet^ expat [4d?\]: make black eat his stones ColdFront [4k\]: lol, pro overplay allonzo [6k\]: ColdFront: the european ranking will be a selection of the european players in the tournament (there are also koreans, chinese... aso) Iodine [4d\]: NO Isobeutel [2d?\]: seems like overplay 2 me Iodine [4d\]: the winner of this game will be the old european champion Iodine [4d\]: :D expat [4d?\]: :) allonzo [6k\]: lodine: he is not ols at all Huyrio10k: W will attack N13 group Ephemere [2d\]: not necessarily overplay allonzo [6k\]: *old Tsumugari [4k\]: coca pub expat [4d?\]: eating the white stones would cost black at least 6 points Ephemere [2d\]: if w can force black to remove the stones.. ] ;W[li] ;B[kj]C[rydberg [2d\]: but w does have shortage of liberties, so will have to switch plans Iodine [4d\]: by old i dont mean his age ] ;W[mi]C[juhop [2d\]: it is not overplay if normal play loses ] ;B[ni]C[Luhmann: right :P SuperFrank [4k\]: w is going to lose at this rate ColdFront [4k\]: normal play is boring play I guess expat [4d?\]: it's good play by w i think expat [4d?\]: but l8 was expensive ] ;W[ki]C[kumbhaka [3d\]: P11 for P10 purpose? weirdchess [5k\]: n6 ] ;B[jb]C[leger [1d\]: SuperFrank, while lost a long while ago Luhmann: now top is 20 points rydberg [2d\]: k18 is so cool Highwayman [1d\]: sente ? expat [4d?\]: k18 threatens to remove black's eyes expat [4d?\]: white's :) rydberg [2d\]: :-P Kuros [8k\]: w+108.5! kenjiro43 [8k\]: give me a break Lacrimosa [1d\]: *gives* expat [4d?\]: catalin sensei has read a lot of stuff out :) fatihsulak [2d\]: b leading at territory olive61 [6k\]: ma Kuros mah, tu esti ungur? kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) ColdFront [4k\]: We know who se is cheering for XD gabigo [9k?\]: :)) rockl [15k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 expat [4d?\]: let's see if alex sensei can make some points in the top centre :P Sakeus [18k\]: lol now using KGS counting lol :D ] ;W[ie] ;B[md]C[SuperFrank [4k\]: w has lost the plot expat [4d?\]: no, w needs to fatihsulak [2d\]: black dreaming? Tsumugari [4k\]: white is doomed ] ;W[mc]C[expat [4d?\]: or he loses on territory ] ;B[kb]C[SuperFrank [4k\]: this is b`s for the grap sameasyou [2d\]: k15 possible? Luhmann: b gets more terrotory than w here yanor [4k?\]: It is not 100 % sure the winner of this game will be the european champion. The winner will have 7/9 and there is one game left to be played. Suppose Thomas (actually 5/8) wins his 2 last games and the winner of this game lose the last game, there will be several players at 7/9 .... sameasyou [2d\]: yanor u're wrong...if Alexander wins this one he is the champion 100% SuperFrank [4k\]: so how much will b earn for this win Iodine [4d\]: dinner already have 7 wins no? Luhmann: he will not win ColdFront [4k\]: way to make it way less climatic =) Luhmann: be sure rydberg [2d\]: w thinking of tenuki? SuperFrank [4k\]: i mean there has to be a profit for this right Dogen [5k\]: is there no final game between the top two? sameasyou [2d\]: tenuki not possible expat [4d?\]: w could play g15 now sameasyou [2d\]: I think w thinbking of L14 ] ;W[lb]C[SuperFrank [4k\]: in this world money rules ] ;B[gd]C[Luhmann: b made 15 more points Luhmann: w mabe ^^^5 R [1k\]: b secured the top Luhmann: resign qsorix [10k\]: W won't resign. judging from his yesterday game, he would have be like 50 points behind to thinkg about it ;-) FLOsFATE [5k\]: who wanted w to resign bevore.. looks even now? badmoves [9k?\]: kgs is faster than live transmision SergeyASh [12k\]: k12 ? Elandal [3k\]: Rather the video feed is delayed, badmoves. kenjiro43 [8k\]: So Sloffate? allonzo [6k\]: both players have high SOS/SODOS Luhmann: b+20 kenjiro43 [8k\]: Flosfate? sameasyou [2d\]: how much time the players still have? allonzo [6k\]: so the winner is 80% champion expat [4d?\]: w needs 20 points in the top centre :S yanor [4k?\]: sameasyou : if Thomas beats Ilya and plays Alexander and beats Alexander for the last round, Alexander will not be champion no ? SuperFrank [4k\]: i dont know why but b`s territory at beneath isnt as huge as it looks like ftroiset [2d\]: but t18 is good to win the semeai nuBO [2k\]: W+115 SuperFrank [4k\]: w could heavily reduce it allonzo [6k\]: yanor: get real :-) sameasyou [2d\]: :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: nuBO: learn how to count kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) SuperFrank [4k\]: j5 yanor [4k?\]: Thomas has beatten Catalin no ? He can beat Alexander also :) FLOsFATE [5k\]: would like to learn how to count :D dddd34: g16 is a I know I win kind on move nuBO [2k\]: use SE SuperFrank [4k\]: or b 16 sameasyou [2d\]: if Thomas beats Catalin, Ilyia and Alexander then Thomas deserves to be euro champion DrH0use [2d\]: b win big rit? Luhmann: right kenjiro43 [8k\]: Me too Flosfate kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) monk316 [1k\]: i thought the two on board one are fighting for the championship allonzo [6k\]: IF sameasyou [2d\]: Eurogotv...the for the players? allonzo [6k\]: :-) sameasyou [2d\]: time* DrH0use [2d\]: same FLOsFATE [5k\]: tough to make points there allonzo [6k\]: b: 0.49, w:0.36 FLOsFATE [5k\]: tough to make points anywhere for w FLOsFATE [5k\]: ^^ BenSenTen [?\]: is tartrate on his way to champion? Highwayman [1d\]: black has less SOS, so even if he wins this game, he can lose the europ. championship ] ;W[dd] ;B[dc]C[gabigo [9k?\]: grupul abl din dreapta are viata? sameasyou [2d\]: nu gabigo sameasyou [2d\]: e mort Isobeutel [2d?\]: ? allonzo [6k\]: gabigo: nu ColdFront [4k\]: Is black really Tartrate? gabigo [9k?\]: :) Dekachan [10k\]: what is SOS? Luhmann: no Luhmann: tarrate is playing the US congress jutsu: tatrate who is? velther: Sum of Opponent's Scores leger [1d\]: Dekachan, sum of scores velther: i thinik EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Highwayman [1d\]: Sum of Opponent Scores Isobeutel [2d?\]: Deka: sum of opponent score Dekachan [10k\]: tie breaker? Highwayman [1d\]: yes velther: SOS = Sum of Opponent's Scores, and SODOS = Sum of Defeated Opponent's Scores allonzo [6k\]: MMS, SOS and SODOS are criteria for ranking players with same number of wins jutsu: what about resign? allonzo [6k\]: oho, there's ganjaman Simara :-) Luhmann: in 2 moves now Luhmann: ^mayb now Zanpaktou [2d\]: sodos is used at egc? BenSenTen [?\]: did b match with tartrate before? Luhmann: i guess, yes sameasyou [2d\]: lol...Simara shaved jutsu: resign = how much? ] ;W[gf]C[Dekachan [10k\]: thanks I think I got it. sameasyou [2d\]: c14 Ephemere [2d\]: c14 sameasyou [2d\]: Ephemere :) Ephemere [2d\]: héhé same idea ^^ ] ;B[kg]C[long1331 [6k\]: ho ho BenSenTen [?\]: do u know the record? luh fryskenfry [6k?\]: Savolainen Javier-Aleksi won again. revelation of the tournament. sameasyou [2d\]: 2d ideas not good enough for 7d :) long1331 [6k\]: cutting ~~ BenSenTen [?\]: who won more?? Ephemere [2d\]: yeah, not sure to work expat [4d?\]: here b can reduce and maybe make an eye globax [4d\]: j16? Luhmann: here b can reduce and cut leger [1d\]: wow, white is digging his grave Iodine [4d\]: j5 also looks huge sameasyou [2d\]: yes....j5 would be great for Catalin Luhmann: l13 sente Isobeutel [2d?\]: w behind, no? Iodine [4d\]: hard to say kenjiro43 [8k\]: I guess so kenjiro43 [8k\]: w behind Iodine [4d\]: w also alot of cash Highwayman [1d\]: w behind, around 10 points DrH0use [2d\]: you think it is close? nhhm [2d?\]: w L4 Kuros [8k\]: 99.5 kenjiro43 [8k\]: Lodine I said I guess Iodine [4d\]: i think is still complicated for me to be able to say ampwyo [7k\]: its probably gonna black be 10-15 points Iodine [4d\]: is iodine Isobeutel [2d?\]: is f9 grp settled? kenjiro43 [8k\]: Sorry Iodine Iodine [4d\]: :P EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white must prtect k15 cut Luhmann: yes# Hometet [9k\]: typical mistakes Dekachan [10k\]: Is there a place one can see the results of this torney? ColdFront [4k\]: Is there a place were we can get all the KGS aired European Go Tournament sgf files? long1331 [6k\]: T19 for fun ~~ Luhmann: f9 looks like out of the book "making good shape" EuroGoTV1 [-\]: eurogotv.com ColdFront [4k\]: Thanks =) long1331 [6k\]: on the record of EuroGoTv :D EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=SGF#n3 Hometet [9k\]: where w goes now? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: at this moment just of board 1 but will be updated saterday Hometet [9k\]: k12? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but you can get sgf's from our infos as well kenjiro43 [8k\]: What did Rob van Zeist? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he lost kenjiro43 [8k\]: Thank you Hometet [9k\]: its over? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: oh won by resignation Hometet [9k\]: w resigned? Tiny81 [5k\]: guy what are you counting? ... I dont see much w territory compaired with blacks kenjiro43 [8k\]: Rob won? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Oh won by resignation ] ;W[hc]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: Thank you DrH0use [2d\]: oh? Hometet [9k\]: what is this Hometet [9k\]: ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: active way of reparing the k15 cut kenjiro43 [8k\]: Oh Chi Min EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Oh Chi-min Lepenski [1k\]: good move ] ;B[hd] ;W[id]C[JYPPZ [5k?\]: oh is a player Luhmann: hehe eurogotv^^ uwaki [-\]: Catalin are tricou cu Cupa Shusaku ^^ kenjiro43 [8k\]: Dap DrH0use [2d\]: oh ok! hghgfgdf: G17 Luhmann: g17 honte KoshiKun [6k\]: is black leading? Luhmann: and enough badmoves [9k?\]: I bet b k11 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h17 great move Zanpaktou [2d\]: g17 more than honte ] ;B[gc]C[Zanpaktou [2d\]: j18 k17 h18 kills, luh Luhmann: still enough DrH0use [2d\]: i would k12 Luhmann: hehe nhhm [2d?\]: L4 Luhmann: proper KoshiKun [6k\]: E16 maybe? NitramF [3k\]: from European Go Database Taranu-Dinnerstein 2-3 , so maybe Taranu equals the score today... KoshiKun [6k\]: could he do something with it Luhmann: no Luhmann: not after g17 tibali [3d\]: with g17 now w can't cut e15 ] ;W[jg]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: luhman KoshiKun [6k\]: imma duplicate this game KoshiKun [6k\]: can i show u a sequence KoshiKun [6k\]: and ull show me why it doesnt work? DrH0use [2d\]: no fatihsulak [2d\]: b14? ] ;B[bq]C[KoshiKun [6k\]: who spoke to u drhouse Luhmann: what move to start with? DrH0use [2d\]: no KoshiKun [6k\]: fine KoshiKun [6k\]: luhmann please just enter it expat [4d?\]: b creating ko threats Luhmann: pls ask me here what you want DrH0use [2d\]: this is a trap luhman dont go! Luhmann: and iam weak ^^ Luhmann: :P sameasyou [2d\]: I can't see any ko and b3 in itself is a ko threat don't understand b3 qgo [4k\]: tsume problem? Luhmann: aji Tsumugari [4k\]: dead R [1k\]: killable sameasyou [2d\]: a3 R [1k\]: no dead yet ftroiset [2d\]: b3 threatens B6 Luhmann: b gets b9 herminator [2d?\]: ko @ P14 fatihsulak [2d\]: trying to make b9 sente? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Bb3 Wb2 Ba3 Wb1 Bc5 W d5 B b6 W d6 B a5 DrH0use [2d\]: b3 thrten the all white expat [4d?\]: b9.. but b9 was already sente anyway Luhmann: hmm ] ;W[es]C[kimball [5d?\]: if b a3 can cut b6 Tsumugari [4k\]: ko ftroiset [2d\]: no, B6 is the problem Luhmann: how? ] ;B[bn]C[Tsumugari [4k\]: b2 sameasyou [2d\]: there is no ko ftroiset [2d\]: see? sameasyou [2d\]: ah sameasyou [2d\]: a3 sente now for b Lovepove [7k\]: Can that possibly work? What happens if white c5? ftroiset [2d\]: a4 FLOsFATE [5k\]: cant c5 Iodine [4d\]: a3 propably Luhmann: resign FLOsFATE [5k\]: agree Arakasi [4k\]: then he kill the B group pdndar [3k\]: c5 SergeyASh [12k\]: false threat imho Iodine [4d\]: and if cut make life in corner expat [4d?\]: can't c5? LeFourBe [5d?\]: A5 fatihsulak [2d\]: good play by black it seems profi [2d\]: should a3 instead of e1 IGoofy [1d\]: b just want b9 sente KoshiKun [6k\]: C5 doesnt work? leger [1d\]: no IGoofy Luhmann: expat said s9 was sente anyway ftroiset [2d\]: a5->A6 Luhmann: dunno leger [1d\]: here, b either live corner or captures b7 ] ;W[ap]C[Luhmann: hmm SergeyASh [12k\]: not see chance for b - w c5 a4 a6 a5 a3 ] ;B[bk]C[sameasyou [2d\]: beautiful tibali [3d\]: b is impressive kumbhaka [3d\]: b+rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Nilatarion [2d\]: nice pdndar [3k\]: why didny play c5 :S olive61 [6k\]: 2 words: Romanian power!!! SergeyASh [12k\]: hmm... Iodine [4d\]: \\o/ Samowar [1d\]: wow nogonow [2k\]: nice kenjiro43 [8k\]: Well said Olive kenjiro43 [8k\]: :)))) KoshiKun [6k\]: pdndar DWS: spanish powerr!! KoshiKun [6k\]: i guess c5 gives life to C3 OttosMops [2k\]: game sort of over now? Tsumugari [4k\]: now the corner is small ] ;W[nn]C[Luhmann: last chance pdndar [3k\]: :S sameasyou [2d\]: yes....this is last chance expat [4d?\]: well, b will have to eat w after all if he loses the ko :( Isobeutel [2d?\]: seems 2 me like w is out of a plan expat [4d?\]: but b j5 is good too? expat [4d?\]: b e13 looks interesting sameasyou [2d\]: I would play P14 because I'm coward :) pelister [8k\]: polat c5 olunca aşağısı da yaşıyordu galiba sameasyou [2d\]: but I think Catalin will play j5 kenjiro43 [8k\]: w can escape on the right? DrH0use [2d\]: tenuki! allonzo [6k\]: O7? badmoves [9k?\]: Time became a problem Luhmann: why tenuki when ahead by more than 10-15 points? Tsumugari [4k\]: eurogo make a zoom on the time please... expat [4d?\]: e13 is sente FLOsFATE [5k\]: o5 allonzo [6k\]: b: 44, w: 20 ] ;B[jf] ;W[ig]C[allonzo [6k\]: minutes :-) Highwayman [1d\]: j5 ? SergeyASh [12k\]: why w not move c5 instead a4 ? What problem with c5 ? OttosMops [2k\]: what do the clocks say? Highwayman [1d\]: with c5, a3 gives life for black sameasyou [2d\]: Sergey...if he did b would have make b3 alive BenSenTen [?\]: u should go to bed.. allonzo [6k\]: black: 0.44, white: 0.20 minutes expat [4d?\]: if c5 then a3 becomes dangerous pdndar [3k\]: ok onur thanks :P pelister [8k\]: you're wellcome IGoofy [1d\]: 2pm the first alcoholic awaked BenSenTen [?\]: u must be g then OttosMops [2k\]: thx allonzo ] ;B[io]C[allonzo [6k\]: you're welcome Luhmann: tenuki, you were right sameasyou [2d\]: w has 6 liberties on the right sameasyou [2d\]: b has 11? Luhmann: more sameasyou [2d\]: not enough ko threats for w fatihsulak [2d\]: game ove sameasyou [2d\]: yes...it seems so fatihsulak [2d\]: white cannot win this pdndar [3k\]: is q8 group dead? pdndar [3k\]: :S fatihsulak [2d\]: q12 is dead edowaado [3k\]: what does SE say? ] ;W[km]C[pdndar [3k\]: oh i saw BenSenTen [?\]: say both dead sameasyou [2d\]: q8 also dead...but q8 more liberties than q12 Isobeutel [2d?\]: w like tsuke... jim [6d\]: Catalin crush Alex sameasyou [2d\]: jim :) ] ;B[jm]C[R [1k\]: SE bet on w kenjiro43 [8k\]: Asa este Jim kumbhaka [3d\]: yes kenjiro43 [8k\]: True Jim BenSenTen [?\]: elephant crush them all allonzo [6k\]: bun venit, jim! faina zi! kenjiro43 [8k\]: Allso true kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) rockl [15k\]: oh nice!!! w win Highwayman [1d\]: no, b win Sakeus [18k\]: b WIN allonzo [6k\]: rockl: count again Luhmann: no "click se" again kenjiro43 [8k\]: Catalin Will Win R [1k\]: no, b and w are playing uwaki [-\]: I don't think he counted at all ] ;W[jn]C[jim [6d\]: salut Tsumugari [4k\]: ??? Tsumugari [4k\]: what is white doing ? pdndar [3k\]: b+5.5 edowaado [3k\]: can i ask for a link to watch? gabigo [9k?\]: invading Jocky [3d\]: dinner e prost rau R [1k\]: jim, who is ahead in this game? Isobeutel [2d?\]: desperate.... kimball [5d?\]: aiming k4 Luhmann: b+15 rockl [15k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 AEK [-\]: l6 sameasyou [2d\]: can w m7? edowaado [3k\]: thanks alot sameasyou [2d\]: jim? leger [1d\]: w is trying to cut at l4 badmoves [9k?\]: how old id b? sameasyou [2d\]: can b m7? jim [6d\]: wrong question, who is ahead, when this game will finish, I want to celebrate allonzo [6k\]: dinerchtein missed the "resign" lesson abak [2k\]: no Luhmann: yes kenjiro43 [8k\]: Help him find resign button kenjiro43 [8k\]: Easy kenjiro43 [8k\]: to use kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) ] ;B[lm]C[Georg [1d\]: corsscut-tesuji? BenSenTen [?\]: alexander never resign allonzo [6k\]: or he is a maso allonzo [6k\]: :) allonzo [6k\]: he wants more pain kenjiro43 [8k\]: He must learn the r word ] ;W[jp]C[gaboza [8k\]: hei comrade RESIGN pls!! gaboza [8k\]: :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: It saves his time sameasyou [2d\]: m7...I was right Astarael [1d\]: oooooo Jigo [?\]: in RL is no resign button ] ;B[jo]C[Luhmann: it was ameasyou? ] ;W[kp] ;B[lp]C[Fajnymis [3d\]: love weak kgs players usually is quite opposite of what they are thinking Luhmann: o it was Luhmann: :P ] ;W[lq]C[SIsen [2k?\]: how di u resign irl? Prodigious [5d?\]: You start crying Vondel [2k\]: did Rob van Zeist losse his game ? Isobeutel [2d?\]: lol Elandal [3k\]: You place two stones on board instead of one. allonzo [6k\]: take two stones and place them both on the table sameasyou [2d\]: I think the game is very very close now OttosMops [2k\]: vondel: yes Fajnymis [3d\]: agree Luhmann: 2 stones? shiniguari [3k\]: why you stay here, when you are so sure game is over and sry for resign? Luhmann: i always smash all stones from the board Prodigious [5d?\]: Or if you want to be fancy play an illegal move allonzo [6k\]: or go to the bathroom, lock yourself inside and don't exist until the time is out badmoves [9k?\]: h3 make w to resign Luhmann: hmm do i wrong? g6 [?\]: Nuclear tesuji. fatihsulak [2d\]: h3 IGoofy [1d\]: its close. close to a disaster sameasyou [2d\]: n4 first badmoves [9k?\]: thanks fatih FLOsFATE [5k\]: y not n3? sameasyou [2d\]: n3 too dangerous Arakasi [4k\]: cut edowaado [3k\]: that was quite nice done from alex Luhmann: right DrH0use [2d\]: h3 pdndar [3k\]: first n4 then h3 sameasyou [2d\]: sensei Mero looking at the game Luhmann: a one dan tolld us his plan allready badmoves [9k?\]: images are fantastic Luhmann: not sure catallin saw it huggy [3k\]: which one is mero? kukulis4 [2d\]: the position is crasy sameasyou [2d\]: in blue tshirt edowaado [3k\]: yeah with one is that mero guy edowaado [3k\]: oooh ] ;B[mq]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: not such ones, that alex likes in his games :) FLOsFATE [5k\]: y you dont have a rank but speak like a p ? ] ;W[lr] ;B[mp]C[FLOsFATE [5k\]: @ luhman? Luhmann: iam weak mambo [5d\]: varza albul bai huggy [3k\]: thx sameasyou Luhmann: told you allready ] ;W[mr] ;B[hq]C[pdndar [3k\]: resign... mambo [5d\]: la gara Luhmann: nice Luhmann: :DD badmoves [9k?\]: as I said h3 time to resign kenjiro43 [8k\]: Well said Iodine [4d\]: b 3-4 points safelly ahead looks like Iodine [4d\]: ? Leod [?\]: hmmph, I don't see any video in the website huggy [3k\]: badmoves so strong ] ;W[hr] ;B[gq]C[badmoves [9k?\]: just imagination Luhmann: haha jim [6d\]: oops......... Luhmann: b always had a cunterplan kukulis4 [2d\]: catalin play fast indeed jim [6d\]: D1 aji......... Luhmann: yeah Iodine [4d\]: hohoho! aGOsto [?\]: k3 is a serious threat g6 [?\]: I was away for a bit ... have we seen the clocks recently? sameasyou [2d\]: j2 ChemBoy613 [1d\]: i think j2 expat [4d?\]: b could still lose points if he has to eat w on the right kukulis4 [2d\]: but alex doesnt give up, because russians never gives up ;) allonzo [6k\]: about 35-40 for black and 12-18 for white YobaLegend [5k\]: J2. g6 [?\]: Thanks. DrH0use [2d\]: j4 ] ;W[ip]C[Jocky [3d\]: russians suks foreever sameasyou [2d\]: b14 next for b ] ;B[hp]C[ChemBoy613 [1d\]: how are you counting the two lower corners are dead? rockl [15k\]: Jocky... Jocky [3d\]: .................... kukulis4 [2d\]: may be cataln makes a mistake, and alex can win ! kukulis4 [2d\]: yeee Ruddick [9k?\]: I really dont understand what happens now shika12 [-\]: bleh @.@ kukulis4 [2d\]: super plan ;) sameasyou [2d\]: Jocky ?? ] ;W[ir]C[Larrave [3k\]: white ends gote here anyway allonzo [6k\]: kc5? fatihsulak [2d\]: b14 now allonzo [6k\]: c5? badmoves [9k?\]: b c14 I hope EuroGoTV1 [-\]: o5 ChemBoy613 [1d\]: b14 is the tesuji luciangela [7k\]: g5 kimball [5d?\]: g2 is sente now visdevara [9k\]: b15 Marakel [?\]: how long is the delay of the stream, 20-30 secs? Luhmann: no Luhmann: 0.1 sex Luhmann: sec Luhmann: here Isobeutel [2d?\]: 5 sec visdevara [9k\]: o5 Leod [?\]: infinite for me, I don't see anything pdndar [3k\]: g2 is not sente kukulis4 [2d\]: so much spectators ! expat [4d?\]: yes g2 is sente pdndar [3k\]: h5? ChemBoy613 [1d\]: black has to fix after g1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Asaliuru [19k\]: SE still says W+ 75 :P kukulis4 [2d\]: nobody can understand why black doesnt resign yet ;) Yabanjin: is s6 group safe? kenjiro43 [8k\]: You don't Arakasi [4k\]: g2 sente ? why luciangela [7k\]: L12 kenjiro43 [8k\]: kukulis monthadar [5k\]: E5? fatihsulak [2d\]: because he is leading? kenjiro43 [8k\]: You'll learn go expat [4d?\]: because black has d1 to continue yabanjin kenjiro43 [8k\]: and find out kenjiro43 [8k\]: :D olive61 [6k\]: B13 givusaqiki [4k\]: g2 g1 fix still sente kukulis4 [2d\]: "grossmaster sacrificed a queen" from the ostap bender adventures badmoves [9k?\]: b c14 (look to my kyu) harlej9 [2k\]: d14? Yabanjin: expat: I think you answered the wrong question ^^ luciangela [7k\]: a12,b16 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: g2 very bad kimball [5d?\]: d1 is a problem then pdndar [3k\]: hey, g2-g1 then h5???? kenjiro43 [8k\]: I know-is it Ilf and Petrov? huggy [3k\]: so annoying that b wastes the valuable time of DDKs uwaki [-\]: g2 g1 h4? uwaki [-\]: *h5 expat [4d?\]: yeah actually g2 there's no point uwaki [-\]: how is that sente? huggy [3k\]: w i mean uwaki [-\]: oh, ok gaboza [8k\]: euro gotv time pls....! Luhmann: d1 if... Yabanjin: what about s6 group, is it alive? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 33 W15 visdevara [9k\]: what gaboza? gaboza [8k\]: :) gaboza [8k\]: ty rockrider [7k\]: yabanjin yes visdevara [9k\]: hi im 1 dan Iodine [4d\]: black 3-4 points ahead anyway right? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi m2 kenjiro43 [8k\]: Dan petrescu? BenSenTen [?\]: it's strange, on TV, b look like the one who is losing the game TheCount [2d?\]: how much did coca cola pay for the product placement? plusguy [-\]: nice to meet you 1dan Ruddick [9k?\]: )) expat [4d?\]: f5? sameasyou [2d\]: TheCount :) ] ;B[bg]C[visdevara [9k\]: stie el care dan kenjiro43 [8k\]: Hai cu numaratu' visdevara [9k\]: :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) olive61 [6k\]: am nemerit-o allonzo [6k\]: whoa! fatihsulak [2d\]: gratz to b13 kukulis4 [2d\]: oh there is that Dude from finland, watching the game :) Iodine [4d\]: this should be the finishing blow Luhmann: neraly all left the room now kukulis4 [2d\]: he would know how to win for black ;) Elandal [3k\]: "dude from finland?" kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah kenjiro43 [8k\]: Who is the Dude from Finland? kukulis4 [2d\]: go dude kukulis4 [2d\]: I dont remember his name Ruddick [9k?\]: C13 is the only move? allonzo [6k\]: the surprise of the tournament fryskenfry [6k?\]: is he Savolainen Javier-Aleksi? kenjiro43 [8k\]: Multam Allen Ninjan [6k\]: ... Samowar [1d\]: b dominating:) kukulis4 [2d\]: 5d Luhmann: someone ever studied the mokey jumo workshop book? fatihsulak [2d\]: resign is the only move i can think of allonzo [6k\]: Savolainen Javier-Aleksi sameasyou [2d\]: who is Allen? leger [1d\]: I didn't count, but b leads at least 20 pts EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Pop beats Motoki kukulis4 [2d\]: allonzo: you know him ? Luhmann: is it woth the monex? ] ;W[bf]C[uwaki [-\]: banzai! Billator [3d\]: c13 ] ;B[cg] ;W[bh]C[allonzo [6k\]: nope, just noticed his super-results ] ;B[df]C[gwenou [9k\]: why he use all his threat without take P15? flaw [2d\]: ... badmoves [9k?\]: time please kukulis4 [2d\]: yeee Nilatarion [2d\]: end Billator [3d\]: dead and burried expat [4d?\]: game over kukulis4 [2d\]: D12,A12 miai olive61 [6k\]: huuuuge!!!! ] ;W[dg]C[mazboy008 [3k\]: oooooooooooooooooo ] ;B[cf]C[Luhmann: haha w nev resigns mazboy008 [3k\]: manybe no huggy [3k\]: b14 dead Luhmann: eurogotv1 was right flaw [2d\]: :(( kukulis4 [2d\]: black is not a chicken avoo: Taranu e tare, l-a cam spart pe micu' dejun asta asde5: jamaican ladder ColdFront [4k\]: EuroGoTv1 is always rihgt kukulis4 [2d\]: I mean white allonzo [6k\]: Dinerchtein studied in Korea? ColdFront [4k\]: *right mambo [5d\]: cacat il face :-) gabigo [9k?\]: :)) mambo [5d\]: sper sa reziste pana la sfarsit Pata [6k\]: :)) Tiny81 [5k\]: @Luhmann: Guo Juan has some lectures about Monkey Jump ... it cost you only 2 euros uwaki [-\]: not resigning is punichment for Catalin winning ;)) gabigo [9k?\]: haide catalin!!!!! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Billator [3d\]: ii da la muci frate uwaki [-\]: *punishment ] ;W[gr] ;B[go]C[Luhmann: thx tiny! Tsumugari [4k\]: dinerchtein n'a plu de moral ramborocky [8k\]: diner should resign like 5 times already! Luhmann: but i asked about the book here Jocky [3d\]: saracu rus kenjiro43 [8k\]: Rau nea Dane Luhmann: anyway i know her lectures^^ kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) gabigo [9k?\]: o ia rau Hokusai [3k\]: albu e chiftele:) allonzo [6k\]: maybe that's why he doesn't resign... koreans used to play go for money, and the difference in points counted in the sum, so they didn't resign and fought till the end sameasyou [2d\]: Jocky comentariile nationaliste sunt stupide...serios Jocky [3d\]: si ma doare la stoaca Jocky [3d\]: ar trbuie sa te doara si pe tine ] ;W[nj] ;B[pi]C[ichim [6k?\]: sportivule avio [2d\]: e cam urat FLOsFATE [5k\]: y se missread the right side? gabigo [9k?\]: o sa dea resign pana la urma albu avio [2d\]: forma proasta MilanChe [2k?\]: interesting... w still playing... Ruddick [9k?\]: intresting it will be when w wins) Luhmann: interesting: we all still kibitzing kukulis4 [2d\]: white needs Chuck Norris tesuji MilanChe [2k?\]: lol ColdFront [4k\]: white is planning on killing the center Zairex [2k\]: why died w Hokusai [3k\]: w has fighting spirit..:) CsehAndrei [3k\]: Putin respect Jocky allonzo [6k\]: Ruddick: maybe next time Jocky [3d\]: white is looser:))) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 itepilah [3k\]: w should have already resigned kukulis4 [2d\]: Chuck Norris fighting spirit gabigo [9k?\]: :) MilanChe [2k?\]: i feel w crying spirit Hokusai [3k\]: :) rockl [15k\]: Jocky, stupid noob :)) Denniskutl [3d\]: i remember a kgs plus lecture of w, he was talking about the lost games that he won by opponents blunder, so he is likely to play to the end now FLOsFATE [5k\]: chuck norris :) oreh [15k\]: Go is Chuck Norris? SergeyASh [12k\]: w seems very poor Porkypine [8k\]: He shouldn't have done anything kukulis4 [2d\]: chucky chucky chuck chuch chuck ColdFront [4k\]: White will whip out a nuclear tesuji for the win =) Porkypine [8k\]: he is under no obligation to resign kenjiro43 [8k\]: Black is Chuck Norris of Go kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) Vibration [7k\]: no kukulis4 [2d\]: its white huggy [3k\]: Sergey noy everyone can be as strong as you pdndar [3k\]: white wins :P kenjiro43 [8k\]: White loses here ] ;W[ag]C[Sebastian [2k\]: diners ears red mambo [5d\]: mamica ce trage de timp Hokusai [3k\]: w wins some zen spirit meaby kukulis4 [2d\]: chuck norris comes to the playing room and helps black to win this game soon kenjiro43 [8k\]: like Shusaku's opponent mambo [5d\]: io fipregatit ceva poate poate yanor [4k?\]: Thomas resigned kukulis4 [2d\]: Alexandre knows that Chuck is goint to save him kenjiro43 [8k\]: Kukulis no need avoo: e mort si ingropat saracu' gabigo [9k?\]: nu poate sa il taie la d12? luciangela [7k\]: e12 Xenopus [?\]: a pro should not hope for this kind of turnaround, imho kukulis4 [2d\]: so he just need more time yanor [4k?\]: But Alexander won't Isobeutel [2d?\]: lol luciangela [7k\]: d12 sorry mambo [5d\]: nu e nevoie Isobeutel [2d?\]: no, he wonz Isobeutel [2d?\]: wont badmoves [9k?\]: eurogo time please. mambo [5d\]: daca joaca normal il bade de-l caca Jocky [3d\]: is asa de prosti rusii asta incat nu stiu ca trb sa cedeze , Hokusai [3k\]: let's see if w shke hand... expat [4d?\]: having to eat w will cost about 10 points? Jocky [3d\]: macar fair play Luhmann: e16 enough Ruddick [9k?\]: white is good player, but I didnt like the beginning. By the way he won once O Rissei if I am right.. kenjiro43 [8k\]: W is certain about one thing: he gets komi mambo [5d\]: b15 cred ca e suficient ColdFront [4k\]: B tenukis expat [4d?\]: b15 ] ;B[dh] ;W[di] ;B[eg] ;W[bj]C[Adin [2d\]: Jocky, inca un comentariu nationalist si primesti ban ] ;B[be]C[Jocky [3d\]: siii?> sameasyou [2d\]: eu l-am cenzurat Tsumugari [4k\]: they are in byo yomi qgo [4k\]: maybe o 5 = in points all the liberties of white s 12 groep Jocky [3d\]: castigi un premiu? leger [1d\]: we heard the microwave, or was that sacha's brain ? ] ;W[af] ;B[bd]C[Porkypine [8k\]: was the clock Ruddick [9k?\]: fast Porkypine [8k\]: of the other table I think :< Dekachan [10k\]: byo yomi? allonzo [6k\]: only diner should be in by, right? avio [2d\]: Alex, e urat gaboza [8k\]: suntem romani....normal ca tre sa ne facem de rahat si pe aici...:( uwaki [-\]: ma, omu' atata poate, ce vreti? ] ;W[jl] ;B[kn]C[Siasio [3d\]: poor Alex Jocky [3d\]: mama e plin de intelgenti pe aici Hokusai [3k\]: :D ] ;W[mn]C[legendia [2k\]: why alex continue to play... expat [4d?\]: good win for catalin Jocky [3d\]: hai nu ma mai deranjazti aGOsto [?\]: good question Jocky [3d\]: ca vreau sa ma uit la partida lepeksiy [-\]: сдавался бы уже белый.... Ruddick [9k?\]: наши не сдаются Isobeutel [2d?\]: dinerchtein should resign... stpo blaming himself. ] ;B[lo]C[Sebastian [2k\]: perhaps he thinks he can do something about the b dragon aGOsto [?\]: mmmm? badmoves [9k?\]: time please please kukulis4 [2d\]: belyj zhdet Chuk Norris ] ;W[co]C[aGOsto [?\]: yes, he can stare at it during hours in deep meditation until he reaches satori ] ;B[al] ;W[jk]C[kenjiro43 [8k\]: Man: so many people have come to watch :) Porkypine [8k\]: I remember people constantly saying Andy should resign avoo: micul dejun s-a incheiat kenjiro43 [8k\]: I still do kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: breakfast is over today kenjiro43 [8k\]: :) luciangela [7k\]: popic win Sebastian [2k\]: perhaps waiting for less audience kenjiro43 [8k\]: Wow kenjiro43 [8k\]: Bravo Popic! Pinguschaf [5d\]: shit Pinguschaf [5d\]: i was for motoki^^ Hokusai [3k\]: bravo Popi!:) expat [4d?\]: :) ] ;B[cj]C[uwaki [-\]: A anuntat mai devreme EuroGo uwaki [-\]: de Popic huggy [3k\]: popic did so well gwenou [9k\]: why they didn't play the ko P15 gwenou [9k\]: ? Luhmann: w dead ] ;W[ci]C[monthadar [5k\]: worth 1 point gwenou [9k\]: ok TheCount [2d?\]: because the ko is smaller than their current moves leger [1d\]: they did Isobeutel [2d?\]: kim won Tlina [7k\]: useless w dead Pinguschaf [5d\]: its bigger than 1 point TheCount [2d?\]: not useless Pinguschaf [5d\]: black has no eyes outside ] ;B[gg]C[kprist [1k\]: black has to capture white CatBus [4k\]: b must crush! ] ;W[im]C[Hokusai [3k\]: or to connect:P badmoves [9k?\]: TIME PLEASE aGOsto [?\]: this is so painful to watch... Luhmann: why you need the times here? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: b 26 w 6 ] ;B[km]C[Denniskutl [3d\]: hehe Tiny81 [5k\]: why did we here pep legendia [2k\]: h7 Isobeutel [2d?\]: tiny this is a hospital, so... Tiny81 [5k\]: really? a hospital? ] ;W[hm] ;B[gm]C[SIsen [2k?\]: ... u have 2 kill people? Isobeutel [2d?\]: yup ] ;W[il]C[Isobeutel [2d?\]: patoent dead Isobeutel [2d?\]: patient jim [6d\]: L7 was strange I think Isobeutel [2d?\]: no pulse any more allonzo [6k\]: this is not the hospital, this is the White Cemetery EuroGoTV1 [-\]: e5 sameasyou [2d\]: yes...L7 seemed a bit negative kukulis4 [2d\]: L7 should be played anyway pdndar [3k\]: wow, L7 group dead ? :D allonzo [6k\]: White Graveyard OttosMops [2k\]: jim: maybe getting rid of ko threats? pdndar [3k\]: :P kukulis4 [2d\]: I like L7 Luhmann: a 3kyu could lose this game still against catalin? Luhmann: i doubt Lukan [4d\]: W+64 ... ] ;B[hh]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: black always have an eye at D9 Denniskutl [3d\]: l7 is "please resign" i think sameasyou [2d\]: ah...he wanted sente ] ;W[gh]C[SergeyASh [12k\]: f11 under attack ] ;B[hg]C[sameasyou [2d\]: going for j14 Luhmann: at kgs i usually resign here as b Isobeutel [2d?\]: embarassing for w kukulis4 [2d\]: usualy olive61 [6k\]: the problem is the big white panda doesn't have 2 eyes MilanChe [2k?\]: really embarassing Luhmann: makes me so angry when peopleplay like w here CatBus [4k\]: w has the bottom, and nothing else/// kenjiro43 [8k\]: is it kukulis4? sameasyou [2d\]: Luhman b is a lot ahead...u need to learn to count...it means u resign when u are ahead and u are much stronger than u think allonzo [6k\]: Luhman: as B? like in "I've taught you uthe lesson about humiliation, time to go" ? Valerious [6k\]: Taranu win EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 kukulis4 [2d\]: taranu win, if only doesnt make a stupid mistake kukulis4 [2d\]: and if he does Luhmann: i hate games when iam 50+ ponts ahead and people still go on playing Billator [3d\]: depends if is a 3k strong or weak Luhmann: hoping for DDK mistakes allonzo [6k\]: kukulis: hard to do even for a 20k SIsen [2k?\]: if this was the last and deciding game 4 the championchip i am not sure i would resign IGoofy [1d\]: its not good for go to broadcast this kenjiro43 [8k\]: LOL Billator kukulis4 [2d\]: if catalin makes a loosing mistake, then alex should be REALY "proud "of him self ;) luciangela [7k\]: b j14 is hard leger [1d\]: sameasyou, you need to learn how to read, your comment wasn't appropriate, reread Luhmann's tomason [1d\]: I think B +10, it is not necessary to resign badmoves [9k?\]: luhmann time is important now? Highwayman [1d\]: dinerstein still can win the european title, cause he has more sos just9x9 [-\]: yes me count b+10 as well Lukan [4d\]: I think B+20 Isobeutel [2d?\]: as a pro w should know when its over... micek [3d\]: catalin ate diner...and breakfast :) Luhmann: i think 20++ kenjiro43 [8k\]: Kukulis it is hard to happen something like that MilanChe [2k?\]: 20 for sure mope: White need to resign huggy [3k\]: what are sos? MilanChe [2k?\]: yes but fighting spirit, lol sameasyou [2d\]: leger u're right...Luhmann I'm sorry seolki [8d\]: catalin's great game CatBus [4k\]: Catalin Taranu is the strongest european? kenjiro43 [8k\]: He's the champion from 2008 Luhmann: yes! sameasyou [2d\]: Catalin and Dinerstein are ] ;W[ii]C[Adin [2d\]: probably Alex wants to make Catalin tired for the next games just9x9 [-\]: +20 more reasonable i correct myself SergeyASh [12k\]: b + 12-16 Luhmann: i lost some respect in alex today kukulis4 [2d\]: here is 8 points of komi of course Luhmann: really yingngai [2d\]: yeah Donete [2d\]: f12 CatBus [4k\]: you still had respect? yingngai [2d\]: ofcourse ] ;B[if]C[ColdFront [4k\]: lol Luhmann Porkypine [8k\]: Ypu' kukulis4 [2d\]: and black must kill the R12 stones sameasyou [2d\]: lol...I told u!!! Porkypine [8k\]: You're all very disrespectful yingngai [2d\]: it doesnt make too much difference Naurul [8k\]: b O4 good move ? jummy: Catalin and Dinerstein are the strongest man! CatBus [4k\]: we are all disrespectING, porky mope: yes but roln stronger sameasyou [2d\]: if b gets o5 e dead Porkypine [8k\]: Thus you are disrespectful ] ;W[qa]C[IGoofy [1d\]: maybe w has a bet he can reach 3pm jummy: and roln kukulis4 [2d\]: if black gets two eyes here, then white right is not semedori anymore and its about +10 more points for black asde5: roln won nothing :-) pdndar [3k\]: :S ramborocky [8k\]: who is strongest american and how he compares to them? Luhmann: id love to see roln in 1-2 yeras here sameasyou [2d\]: h14...game over pdndar [3k\]: what is this :D leger [1d\]: I usually consider it's respect for the other player to resign when the game cannot be won anymore. yingngai [2d\]: black + 15-24 seolki [8d\]: hm,, time to give up CatBus [4k\]: strongest american is 9p in japan ] ;B[he]C[yingngai [2d\]: really? ] ;W[ke] ;B[kf]C[Luhmann: redmot CatBus [4k\]: he defected to live there, not sure if he counts anymore kenjiro43 [8k\]: Micahel Redmond allonzo [6k\]: game over sameasyou [2d\]: yes!!!!!! Tlina [7k\]: here, w resigns ] ;W[gl] ;B[fl]C[allonzo [6k\]: now black cannot die pdndar [3k\]: ohhhh kukulis4 [2d\]: +15 more points for black ] ;W[gk]C[Tlina [7k\]: no ?? yingngai [2d\]: hmmmmmm...... mambo [5d\]: bai e ioncredibil ala MilanChe [2k?\]: lol aGOsto [?\]: yes, black 20 pts ahead ] ;B[eo]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: Right white not semedori yingngai [2d\]: yeah, b+ around 15 sameasyou [2d\]: nothing can happen anymore Luhmann: much more than 15 ftroiset [2d\]: no, more like 30 Porkypine [8k\]: Alex will resign when he sees fit nogonow [2k\]: PRO SHOUKD BE RES HERE ] ;W[fg] ;B[ff]C[ColdFront [4k\]: alex will win CatBus [4k\]: lol kukulis4 [2d\]: yeah Hokusai [3k\]: ore some time ago.. asde5: black can still get ephilettic attack yingngai [2d\]: what??? huggy [3k\]: b+25 ThePoint [1d\]: Dienerchtein never resigns? olive61 [6k\]: he'll win a lot of experience! Luhmann: looks like THEepoint :(( yingngai [2d\]: i think b+18 seolki [8d\]: he knows lose many points he might be reviewing the game in his mind kenjiro43 [8k\]: asde5 you can still take a walk jleone [5k\]: is so .pathetic this direchtein ..what is he expecting for ? a miracle ? kenjiro43 [8k\]: get some frash air ] ;W[fh]C[legendia [2k\]: lol kenjiro43 [8k\]: some new ideas :D yingngai [2d\]: who knows? ftroiset [2d\]: 33 points Yabanjin: are they paid at the number of stones played - thus never resign? :) asde5: go dino fatihsulak [2d\]: a pro should resign if he sees no way to win... probably he sees a way legendia [2k\]: stop say some shit Luhmann: he sees a way? maligo [4d\]: weeee my ban is remved :) maligo [4d\]: removed? maligo [4d\]: * ] ;B[je]C[Luhmann: a 10 kyu would win against him now ] ;W[jd]C[just9x9 [-\]: go get a new one mali yingngai [2d\]: who? kukulis4 [2d\]: H18 maligo [4d\]: ok ColdFront [4k\]: no, not a 10k maligo [4d\]: :) kukulis4 [2d\]: ah ] ;B[la]C[kukulis4 [2d\]: M15 hghgfgdf: b+25-30 babydog1 [8d\]: b win too many ] ;W[ma]C[SIsen [2k?\]: nobody forces us 2 watch, so maybe it is entertaining that b does not resign? maligo [4d\]: where is korenje? i want my ban Isobeutel [2d?\]: this game is going to be ridicioulus SIsen [2k?\]: just 2 b a bit in the contrast :-) yingngai [2d\]: there's no way a 10k is going to win Dinerchtein ftroiset [2d\]: 35 now seolki [8d\]: that his game style, dont blame, but i dont understand Luhmann: with this yose? Luhmann: hard to lose, even if you are 15 kyu jleone [5k\]: a way to be ..unpopular ..that is going to try dinerchtein .. maligo [4d\]: strong players never give up oreh [15k\]: 5$ at white (+1.5) ] ;B[fp] ;W[eh]C[oreh [15k\]: xD Yabanjin: wait a min... doesn't it make sense not to resign if your opponent might win the tournament depending on his SOS? ] ;B[ef]C[Luhmann: i bet catalin would have given up 1 hour ago allready allonzo [6k\]: dinerchtein knows he is strong at yose, that's why he doesn't quit :-))))))))))) legendia [2k\]: if w win legendia [2k\]: all people CatBus [4k\]: what is SOS legendia [2k\]: who have say EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R kukulis4 [2d\]: save our souls Saimon [1d\]: there is nothing wrong with playing out a lost game IGoofy [1d\]: they play as long as you watch mambo [5d\]: yes just9x9 [-\]: thx euro expat [4d?\]: thanks eurogo IstTengen [5k\]: CB Sum of opponens scores mambo [5d\]: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS legendia [2k\]: some shit should stop go Saimon [1d\]: thanks maligo [4d\]: who saied catalin is strong? seolki [8d\]: think bad timing mambo [5d\]: gata baieti \\ expat [4d?\]: this game did, maligo kenjiro43 [8k\]: I said Maligo sameasyou [2d\]: we have a third european title :) mambo [5d\]: Black WIN by resign Naurul [8k\]: m19 bad move ? O19 instead ? Hokusai [3k\]: great!:) maligo [4d\]: uhf.. jim [6d\]: this is a good much for the european champ expat [4d?\]: black won a won game in impressive style maligo [4d\]: catalin IS strong Tsumugari [4k\]: gg kenjiro43 [8k\]: YES!!! Orc [4d\]: both scraching their heads lol yingngai [2d\]: hmmm... why not D13? allonzo [6k\]: thanks, eurogo kenjiro43 [8k\]: Bravo catalin!!! kumbhaka [3d\]: BRAVOOOOOOOOOO CATALIN!!!!!!!!!! Porkypine [8k\]: oh man gabigo [9k?\]: bravoooooooo gaboza [8k\]: bravo Porkypine [8k\]: kim beat in seong kenjiro43 [8k\]: BRavo!!!!!!!! pdndar [3k\]: finshd? kukulis4 [2d\]: chuck didnt come Porkypine [8k\]: jeez maligo [4d\]: congrats catalin expat [4d?\]: what does this mean for the title? Hokusai [3k\]: Thx Euro gO Bravo Catalin! JeanVidToi [6k\]: bravo!!! kenjiro43 [8k\]: Nope kukulis maligo [4d\]: but... sameasyou [2d\]: kukulis :) Spectateur: GG à toi ! :) maligo [4d\]: catalin lost against thomas debare kenjiro43 [8k\]: Told you he was Chuck Norris expat [4d?\]: is catalin now the top european? avoo: BRAVOOOO, CATALIN TARANU kenjiro43 [8k\]: It happens Maligo yingngai [2d\]: oh shut up herminator [2d?\]: Tomorrow Taranu vs. Hwang Inseong or Kim Joon Sang... Naurul [8k\]: catalin is from Bulgaria ? BenSenTen [?\]: r they pro? cannelle [-\]: of course :) maligo [4d\]: romaina kukulis4 [2d\]: Romania ColdFront [4k\]: that will be good =) jim [6d\]: still if Alex won tomorow and Catalin lost Alex will be the champ kenjiro43 [8k\]: Romania baned4life: alex invaded too early I think Naurul [8k\]: :) nuBO [2k\]: catalin lost to debarre debarre lost to shikshin shikshin lost to diner diner lost to catalin luciangela [7k\]: www.shusaku.ro/en/eindex.html kukulis4 [2d\]: jim: Catalin didnt lost Alex jim [6d\]: I was talking about the last round herminator [2d?\]: Catalin now 7/9, Dinerchteind 6/9, if tomorrow Catalin loses and Alex wins, then SOS will decide. herminator [2d?\]: Alex' SOS is probably better mope: roln strongest jim [6d\]: yes but Alex better SOS kenjiro43 [8k\]: Even after this game? gabigo [9k?\]: catalin won't lose kenjiro43 [8k\]: Jim? jim [6d\]: ? Shadowrun [6k\]: wow Catalin gave alex a nice lecture avio [2d\]: Alex better SOS kenjiro43 [8k\]: Alex better SOS even after this game? mope: brekfast 1 p? Ratalin 2 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cu all tomorrow! kenjiro43 [8k\]: Cu ColdFront [4k\]: Bye kenjiro43 [8k\]: Thank you Wuro ColdFront [4k\]: We love you! allonzo [6k\]: bye BenSenTen [?\]: bye Jadeite [?\]: thanks TV1 :) kenjiro43 [8k\]: Euro avio [2d\]: Catalin depends on Pierre Aoudouard kenjiro43 [8k\]: ? mope: roln 3pl ColdFront [4k\]: Who won? kenjiro43 [8k\]: Catalin Shadowrun [6k\]: the better one kenjiro43 [8k\]: By resign ColdFront [4k\]: sadness kenjiro43 [8k\]: True kenjiro43 [8k\]: The better one BenSenTen [?\]: weak always lose BenSenTen [?\]: i wants to c weak win EuroGoTV1 [-\]: eurogotv-us is now online Yuura [4k?\]: excuse moi eurogotv, what about Yanqi ? BenSenTen [?\]: i can c weak win there? Shadowrun [6k\]: than play vs me ben and tenuki all moves - than u can see a weak one winning Yuura [4k?\]: against who she plays ? BenSenTen [?\]: ...i m9k Jadeite [?\]: Alex has played some good games i this tournament, I wouldn't be so insulting as to call him weak herminator [2d?\]: Yanqi lost against Javier-Aleksi Savolainen Yuura [4k?\]: arf Yuura [4k?\]: thx herminator [2d?\]: top results at http://egc2009.nl/?q=node/1499 Lacrimosa [1d\]: assu \\o/ yMkA [4k?\]: who win? jleone [5k\]: b Lacrimosa [1d\]: i played against javier when he was 5 kyu... kiusasori [2d\]: catalin taranu (black ) by resignation Erimies [4d\]: who is yangi? mope: Nevertheless Dinershteyn Champion mope: in the next game he will has an easy opponent, but SOS better Catalina allonzo [6k\]: mope: you'll see you are wrong and you'll burst into tears PAUCHOK [?\]: i missed the game PAUCHOK [?\]: so did Dinerchtein resigned in the end? ])