(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[1x20 byo-yomi]
GN[EGC 2009 Weekend Tournament round 2 board 1]PW[Chang Yuan Jung]PB[Kim Joon Sang]WR[1p]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-01]EV[weekend]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[TW]BT[KR]US[kamyszyn]C[Novalys [2k\]: Gonna be violent, two korean 7d :x
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white is taiwanese
Novalys [2k\]: thanks, i was wondering actually
Onmyoji [2d\]: what is this??
Novalys [2k\]: I knew black was korean name but wasn't sure at all for w
Lobberly: go
]
;B[pd]C[Gresil [-\]: how many rounds of the weekend tournament will be kgs-vised?
JohnSmith [1k\]: No way
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 5
Onmyoji [2d\]: d4 
]
;W[dp]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: q3 
JohnSmith [1k\]: Black will crush White for sure
]
;B[fq]C[Cassis0 [5d\]: classic pairing. 
holynec [?\]: what time is it over there o,o
holynec [?\]: white is taiwan 1p right?
]
;W[hq]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes
zen [1k\]: it's 15:13 here in holland
]
;B[dd]C[Reckers [7k\]: the same in France :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: same in belgium 
Majorum [2d\]: is there an online scoreboard for the weekend tournament?
Damaging [16k\]: and belgium :)
Onmyoji [2d\]: b leads
]
;W[cf]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not yet
bensenseii [-\]: same here mouhahahaha
holynec [?\]: what are the time settings?
]
;B[fc]C[Novalys [2k\]: one komoku please : /
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 60 minutes 20 seconds BY
InABuzz [5k\]: o you are rocker@ benseseii?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: japanese rules
InABuzz [5k\]: its usually his loud laughing :P
]
;W[qp]
;B[op]C[clergus [3k?\]: not exactly in marseille it s 15: 14
Onmyoji [2d\]: no caps lock
bensenseii [-\]: Nop
bensenseii [-\]: I am besn
bensenseii [-\]: *bensenseii
holynec [?\]: how many periods or BY? :k
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 1
holynec [?\]: yikes!
G0erwt [4k\]: hallo EurogoTV
G0erwt [4k\]: wie spelen daar?
G0erwt [4k\]: ah,ik zie al
]
;W[mp]C[jersta [16k\]: hi euro
]
;B[on]C[jersta [16k\]: would you give me the live briadcasting link pls?
zen [1k\]: this looks like the beginning of a very violent game :)
Vibration [7k\]: hello both are kgs payers or not ?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: there is no eurogotv broadcast for weekend tournament
jersta [16k\]: k 
jersta [16k\]: thx
Yaoundee [12k\]: can anyone explain me how to compare dan-rankings with pro-dan-rankings?
Onmyoji [2d\]: after 9d comes pro rankings
Gresil [-\]: they're not synchronized in any way
kaly [2k\]: there's no way
InABuzz [5k\]: its like riding a bike and driving a ferrari
G0erwt [4k\]: 7d amateur + 1 d pro
troublegum [7k\]: its hard to compare
InABuzz [5k\]: read kageyama when he writes about pros and amas
]
;W[qn]C[asrai [7k\]: Its deceptive because these koreans are very close to pro level anyway
Onmyoji [2d\]: 1p comes after 9d just like 1d comes after 1k
]
;B[qq]C[hohoho [2k?\]: 9d amaeteur = any dan pro?
]
;W[rq]C[G0erwt [4k\]: 7d amateur = 1 d pro
]
;B[pq]C[InABuzz [5k\]: sometimes
]
;W[rr]C[zen [1k\]: I think korean 7d is close to 1p
purplecow [1d\]: sometimes hard to to tell diff bet high end ama and low end pros 
Vibration [7k\]: 1 dan pro is 1 stone weaker than 2d pro ?
kaly [2k\]: i told yu, there is no way :)
purplecow [1d\]: boundaty is a fuzzy one
]
;B[fo]C[mishik [6k\]: The top ama dan is 6. And 1p is usually two stones stronger that 6 ama dan
]
;W[dn]C[mishik [6k\]: 2pro - 1pro != 1 stone
Tulkas [14k\]: some 7d have beeten the pros in this tournament or notß
liusasori [1d\]:  7d and 9d kgs are around 7d amateur is around 1p
]
;B[ip]C[mishik [6k\]: pro dan is not just one stone
esko [2k\]: 1/3 stone, vibration
hohoho [2k?\]: top amaeteurs can beat pros!!
mishik [6k\]: The have ranking tournaments...
asrai [7k\]: and 1p's can beat 9p's XD
KoF [7k\]: there are 2 dan players in korea who can beat 9 pros
troublegum [7k\]: first of all you should know how one can become pro
mishik [6k\]: Higher pro dan just usually stronger and that's it
InABuzz [5k\]: i can clean my toilet well by my own, iam still not a pro  lavatory attendant
Leibnix [8k\]: extremely good kyu players can beat anyone
mishik [6k\]: hehe, Leibnix )
]
;W[hp]
;B[ho]
;W[iq]C[mishik [6k\]: They would not be kuy than :)
]
;B[jp]C[hohoho [2k?\]: extremely good kyu is still a kyu
Tulkas [14k\]: IN KIBITZ
Tulkas [14k\]: SRY
Leibnix [8k\]: right :)
Cassis0 [5d\]: im extremly good kyu 
taoyan [2k\]: tv today?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
taoyan [2k\]: AAAAAAAAAH CMON!
zen [1k\]: im extremely bad kyu :(
Vibration [7k\]: so handi does not exist in pro tournament ?
jersta [16k\]: ¬¬
Vibration [7k\]: 9p can play 1p without handi 
troublegum [7k\]: if you are a pro you shouldnt need handi ;)
InABuzz [5k\]: blahblahblah
InABuzz [5k\]: :D
Onmyoji [2d\]: 9p vs 1p would be too unfair match without handi
Vibration [7k\]: ok
KoF [7k\]: nope
masek [-\]: OH My God
Cassis0 [5d\]: b plan is to connect his 2 groups? 
Tulkas [14k\]: no way
KoF [7k\]: when they become pro they play against 9 p 
zen [1k\]: b plan is to kill :D
KoF [7k\]: no handy
thekaiser [1d\]: i think between pros there's no more than 3 stones
Choukos [5k\]: lol kof
KoF [7k\]: there are cases where 1 p beats 9 p
]
;W[jq]
;B[kp]
;W[lr]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: maybe it was his lucky day
Mot [3k\]: many case
Tulkas [14k\]: like pietsch
Kirigo: p1 connected?
Onmyoji [2d\]: normally its 8 handicap
Choukos [5k\]: eh ? 8 ?
InABuzz [5k\]: nonsense
Mot [3k\]: ...
LugPaj [2d\]: 1p and 9p can be of same strength
Choukos [5k\]: no it's more about 2
Gresil [-\]: pro ranks reflect accomplishment more than strength. 
Choukos [5k\]: maybe 3 ...
thekaiser [1d\]: between 1p and 9p the ajor difference is experience
Atsu [3d\]: J4 was a little strange...
thekaiser [1d\]: major*
Cassis0 [5d\]: m3? 
JungleCat [3k\]: who won the first match here?
JohnSmith [1k\]: White shape is also strange
Erimies [4d?\]: no
Cassis0 [5d\]: har shape 
Cassis0 [5d\]: hard* 
]
;B[mo]C[Tulkas [14k\]: isn´t the chinese go ranking about strength so that some playger get immidieatly thr rank 5p for ecample?
InABuzz [5k\]: o i started with 30kyu:( what a pity
Tulkas [14k\]: don´t drink and write..
spar [6k\]: dont write and drink
Sebj [12k\]: now where is the biggest points ?
Sebj [12k\]: q10?
Mot [3k\]: thomas debarre 5d can win all the 5p he wants
TomGo [1k\]: discussion seems slightly off topic -- t oremind: topic is this game
atman [?\]: there are 9 of them, but 3 are already taken
]
;W[no]C[Choukos [5k\]: beating a 5p once, doesn't mean you can do it all the time
InABuzz [5k\]: hane, wow
jersta [16k\]: k16? 
atman [?\]: 4, sorry
LugPaj [2d\]: i would like to loose to Zhang Yangi
jersta [16k\]: may be k17
Hojo [3k\]: this game won't be peaceful i think
InABuzz [5k\]: c11 or b16 before id says jertsa^
tiger [3d\]: b16 only big point atm :P
]
;B[np]C[InABuzz [5k\]: d11*
]
;W[lo]C[Sebj [12k\]: ah yes, white don't want to let black connects his two groups
Jadeite [?\]: Tulkas. I don't think pro ranks are directly connected to strength, a 1dan pro could be as strong as a 7 or 9d pro. They usually get promoted based on tournament results
InABuzz [5k\]: why not c11, tiger?
Kirigo: seems hard for B
]
;B[mq]C[InABuzz [5k\]: kinda same value or?
Jadeite [?\]: so I guess there is "some" connection
InABuzz [5k\]: d11*
]
;W[lp]C[Tulkas [14k\]: maybe but some of the bros are 5p after getting pro 
Mediumdave [8k\]: is there a livestream?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no
Mediumdave [8k\]: ah ok
Kirigo: 32 moove and W are clearly ahead
tiger [3d\]: hihi, l3 or m3?
Jadeite [?\]: Tulkas, who went straight to 5p?
InABuzz [5k\]: is he krigo?
InABuzz [5k\]: how you say so?
InABuzz [5k\]: i doubt btw
zen [1k\]: not so clear to me
Kirigo: B= 2 weak group
zen [1k\]: L3
InABuzz [5k\]: not that weak
LugPaj [2d\]: weak enough
]
;B[lq]
;W[kq]
;B[ln]
;W[mn]
;B[ko]C[Sebj [12k\]: what would happens is black made L3?
]
;W[mo]C[InABuzz [5k\]: hehe maybe w a weak group and c14^
kjp [1k\]: For EuroGoTV: Could you make a live stream tour around the campus for all us, not attending the EGC? (please) And if someone could would make commentary along it would also be nice.
]
;B[mr]C[Kirigo: l6 
InABuzz [5k\]: l6 bad since n2 is sente
tiger [3d\]: probably exchange Sebj
masek [-\]: vo varianti bokovieje
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ask Harry (eurogotv1) on monday
LugPaj [2d\]: kjp [1k\]: For EuroGoTV: ... that would be aewsome
]
;W[go]
;B[kn]C[Jadeite [?\]: and unrealistic :)
holynec [?\]: a quick resign ensuing?
tiger [3d\]: who will resign? ^^
Onmyoji [2d\]: i resign
holynec [?\]: w
LugPaj [2d\]: i prefer b
alexjhu [10k\]: why not n7?
InABuzz [5k\]: a dumpling is a dumpling
masek [-\]: LinYuanWeiqi3 :-) Whazup with white now ?
LugPaj [2d\]: if i would play i would resign....no matter what color i have
InABuzz [5k\]: hehe same here
tiger [3d\]: both sides still playable i think
InABuzz [5k\]: i would eat my cigarettes now since its not allowed to somke inside
InABuzz [5k\]: to confuse my opponent*
spar [6k\]: why not resign and ..
TomGo [1k\]: I would not resign, just wait for the opponent to do it
pyroman [8k\]: ( to Alxjhu : B probably wantsto save J3 before anything else
alexjhu [10k\]: j3?
TomGo [1k\]: b wants to capture sth.
InABuzz [5k\]: j3 looks alive to me
Onmyoji [2d\]: why w not playing?
]
;W[mm]C[InABuzz [5k\]: playing where?
]
;B[gn]C[alexjhu [10k\]: f3 group seem death
InABuzz [5k\]: heeh calm move
InABuzz [5k\]: f3 was a trade
kjp [1k\]: For EuroGoTV: I have been to your webpage and send the same request by email. So I hope he will see it there
Mediumdave [8k\]: something tells me w is not dead
InABuzz [5k\]: b good a weak white dumpling to attack
Hestler [6k\]: seems like w can pop out f4
purplecow [1d\]: mmm dunplings 
tiger [3d\]: weak w dumpling can p5 any time
tiger [3d\]: to become big w sickness
]
;W[kr]C[InABuzz [5k\]: if its w turn sure
pyroman [8k\]: you was wrong j3 was not yet alive
jersta [16k\]: you were*
]
;B[oo]
;W[gp]C[InABuzz [5k\]: but it isnt^
pyroman [8k\]: ^^
mishik [6k\]: I would play i17 :)
]
;B[pm]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: sqrt(-17)?
mishik [6k\]: :)
Lovepove [7k\]: be nice hoyuk :p
mishik [6k\]: sqrt(-17*17)
Godaisuki [1k\]: ya =)
Hoyuk [13k\]: oh sorry, you are right
InABuzz [5k\]: i like 17*21 more
Mediumdave [8k\]: this is going to become bloody
Tiny81 [5k\]: guys please 
mishik [6k\]: okay-okay :)
Hoyuk [13k\]: ;)
Lovepove [7k\]: Can white ignore q7?
tiger [3d\]: stop squirting already :P
Lovepove [7k\]: For a jump out to n9?
InABuzz [5k\]: still a dumpling i see tiger^^
alexjhu [10k\]: h6
Jumper [9k\]: can somebody tell me, where this game is played? and what tournament ...?
Onmyoji [2d\]: why no handicap in this game?
LugPaj [2d\]: look at the title
zen [1k\]: european go congress in groningen
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Groningen, Netherlands
tiger [3d\]: w knows that big enough dumplings never get eaten if not cut
jersta [16k\]: :P
calme [4d?\]: nuub look at the title ....
kjp [1k\]: EGC2009 Grönningen Weekend turnament
]
;W[ll]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]: Jumper, Euro Go congress game
Jumper [9k\]: thx 
]
;B[qm]C[Lovepove [7k\]: What are the prices for this tournament? :O
InABuzz [5k\]: since when go is about killing?
Muscadet [?\]: the o5 stone looks unefficient 
zen [1k\]: since always? :)
alexjhu [10k\]: j4 gropu in danger
InABuzz [5k\]: its more about threaten to kill
pyroman [8k\]: wa that move so usefull?
tiger [3d\]: making territory is only possible due to killing being an option
pyroman [8k\]: for black?
SergeyASh [13k\]: who is players?
Kirigo: s5 to live?
]
;W[hn]C[Muscadet [?\]: ithink b has the lead
alexjhu [10k\]: there u go
alexjhu [10k\]: yay
Kirigo: exchange
InABuzz [5k\]: hehe he has?
Lionking [2d\]: this is very inconvenient for black
InABuzz [5k\]: no exchange just sente
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: too high stakes now
alexjhu [10k\]: and then h7
]
;B[kl]C[WeiqiGame [1d?\]: in one hand stone in other hand game
]
;W[kk]
;B[jl]
;W[lj]C[tiger [3d\]: b for sure read this out before playing r7
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: so for black is really difficult to find proper way now
]
;B[mk]
;W[lk]C[NotPedo [4k\]: How about f6?
tiger [3d\]: b still has c3 so he's not worried about w having too much
tiger [3d\]: but he must handle the center fight well atm
craig [4k\]: a dumpling connected to an empty triangle... special power shape!
]
;B[hm]
;W[io]
;B[gm]
;W[im]C[Caldheron [8k\]: f4 ?
]
;B[il]C[Hoyuk [13k\]: h7 seems a bit wrong
]
;W[hl]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: :DD
]
;B[jm]
;W[in]C[tiger [3d\]: h7 is good here
]
;B[ij]C[Lovepove [7k\]: This is indeed going to be bloody
InABuzz [5k\]: h7 is a cut
tiger [3d\]: why save one stone to lose it together tih 10 more? :)
Hoyuk [13k\]: oh ok ^^
hfdtd [1d\]: G7 maybe better than H7
]
;W[hk]
;B[jj]C[WeiqiGame [1d?\]: f6 
InABuzz [5k\]: hehe splinnting attack
InABuzz [5k\]: plitting
Hoyuk [13k\]: they will make the stones bleed
InABuzz [5k\]: bah:(
]
;W[fl]C[WeiqiGame [1d?\]: oh
InABuzz [5k\]: autsch??
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: he want all
tiger [3d\]: splinting is a nice word for this :D
]
;B[ro]C[huggy [3k\]: superstrong
]
;W[lh]C[InABuzz [5k\]: ahhh!
eastwood1 [10k\]: what means autsch
]
;B[jg]C[InABuzz [5k\]: dunno in english
Kirigo: here the exchange
elendril [6k\]: waa its like one of those desperate games on kgs ... they play as if they had lost their mind to the battle
tiger [3d\]: ouch
InABuzz [5k\]: right^
]
;W[lf]C[InABuzz [5k\]: ahh what a game
]
;B[em]C[Gay [5d\]: lol
Kirigo: but ouest bigger
InABuzz [5k\]: do you all see what happends?
InABuzz [5k\]: lol
Onmyoji [2d\]: its weekend tournaament so everybody is drunk?
Novalys [2k\]: pretty violent game already
NotPedo [4k\]: I tried playing drunk once.
eastwood1 [10k\]: drunken go style is the best 
hanming [8k\]: is this live?
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: Maybe they Have Russian Vodka for free
NotPedo [4k\]: I was so agressive I won. XD
Hoyuk [13k\]: is 1p supposed to be = 7d?
InABuzz [5k\]: now w must kill right?
InABuzz [5k\]: and it looks soo dead
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: special feature of the Tournament
Onmyoji [2d\]: or maybe they are high since its holland
Mediumdave [8k\]: go jackie chan style?
tiger [3d\]: drunken go includes some top gong fu moves :P
hanming [8k\]: hi is this live broadcast?
InABuzz [5k\]: b wanna sacrifice to get the left side?
NotPedo [4k\]: Drunk go includes plating a1.
NotPedo [4k\]: On the first move.
]
;W[el]
;B[dm]
;W[fp]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]: yes, ming
]
;B[cn]C[InABuzz [5k\]: haha
hanming [8k\]: i see thanks
InABuzz [5k\]: i like b
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: this is high art of alcohol go
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: special ancient technique
NotPedo [4k\]: Godka.
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: GoDka
jersta [16k\]: hahahaha
tiger [3d\]: they only have 1 hour each which is not so much at this level
NotPedo [4k\]: Weisky.
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: Martini
tiger [3d\]: so it's not surprising we have a lively game here :)
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: SO i think for final game we need extra time
zen [1k\]: this is holland, ofcourse it's not alcohol
tiger [3d\]: no, extra booze
InABuzz [5k\]: its cheese?
NotPedo [4k\]: It's weed.
]
;W[co]C[kairos [-\]: grolsch
Gresil [-\]: tulips
]
;B[en]C[tiger [3d\]: aaaah, the w-word
]
;W[do]C[NotPedo [4k\]: Windmils.
]
;B[dl]C[huggy [3k\]: beerduk
Mediumdave [8k\]: go windmill style?
taoyan [2k\]: not everybody uses weed in holland..... :)
NotPedo [4k\]: Yeah.
Onmyoji [2d\]: why not?
InABuzz [5k\]: c14 becomes weak
tiger [3d\]: anyway, 1p probably too young to indulge in all that
InABuzz [5k\]: looks like 2 weak groups again
Kirigo: d10 ?
]
;W[dk]
;B[ck]C[LugPaj [2d\]: w can double hane`
]
;W[dj]C[LugPaj [2d\]: ?
]
;B[cj]
;W[di]C[InABuzz [5k\]: seems b is fine
InABuzz [5k\]: or?
InABuzz [5k\]: no dans to comment here?
]
;B[bn]
;W[je]
;B[gi]C[InABuzz [5k\]: c3 works?
InABuzz [5k\]: later*
InABuzz [5k\]: ???
Mediumdave [8k\]: b is having trouble to breathe
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: nice, faster to look at than main tournament :)
wolokom [5k\]: g 14
mishik [6k\]: I think they are both in pain
Kangur [4d\]: might work but it would damage C6 group eye space if he plays it to early
]
;W[cd]
;B[cc]
;W[de]C[zen [1k\]: it's less thinking time than main tourney
]
;B[ed]C[Ryoji [1k\]: how did oh chi min play?
InABuzz [5k\]: sure kangur
]
;W[gg]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]C[InABuzz [5k\]: thx
Mediumdave [8k\]: r.i.p.
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: much faster ;)
globax [4d\]: h14
albundy [2k\]: playing relatively fast
Kirigo: to hard for B$
InABuzz [5k\]: pro games always that bloddy?
Luminaire [3k\]: messy game
NotPedo [4k\]: No, not at all.
]
;B[ci]C[NotPedo [4k\]: I study Sakata Eio's games, for example.
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: No problem to transcribe EuroGoTV ? :o)
tiger [3d\]: sure are
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: not yet
NotPedo [4k\]: His style is somewhat peaceful.
Novalys [2k\]: W is controlling the center
NotPedo [4k\]: But he is a mastermind.
MythRealm [1k\]: c 11 looks dangerous
fosil [-\]: sakata not peaceful at all
InABuzz [5k\]: center not dead yet
Hojo [3k\]: b looks confident for his center group
shindon [9k\]: h14 w can,t stop
fosil [-\]: "razor" sakata
fosil [-\]: was his nickname
Onmyoji [2d\]: lol
NotPedo [4k\]: The games I studied were peaceful.
pelister [8k\]: he wrote ''killer of go''
Novalys [2k\]: they're not all ^^
Ryoji [1k\]: eurogotv, do you know about oh chi-min's game?
shindon [9k\]: i like korean games
Novalys [2k\]: many sakat'as game are really fighting ^^
meuns [2k\]: !
Altair [8k\]: what about j4 group isn t in danger?
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: k8  enough to win
meuns [2k\]: 1p !
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: board 2 with zhang yanqi
Erimies [4d?\]: if center dies b can resign
InABuzz [5k\]: if^
taoyan [2k\]: Are korean pro's play as well?
Mediumdave [8k\]: j4 group is waiting for artificial life support to be switched off
LugPaj [2d\]: i wanna _see_ board 2
NotPedo [4k\]: Korean pros are the best in the world.
Onmyoji [2d\]: :3
shindon [9k\]: koreans are the best pros right know
]
;W[dh]
;B[if]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: italian pros the best
Hades [3d\]: zhang yan qi is from france grenoble go club :)
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: MilanMilan ;)?
Novalys [2k\]: h16 
InABuzz [5k\]: hehe b looks optimisticly
meuns [2k\]: kim is really strong
Novalys [2k\]: i like whit
huggy [3k\]: !
Novalys [2k\]: white
InABuzz [5k\]: i like b
meuns [2k\]: go black !
NotPedo [4k\]: I like black, too.
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: Dingerstein is escaped from 100eur game against MilanMilan
Novalys [2k\]: white is in control of this center
shindon [9k\]: but japan is the only one that can stand against korea
meuns [2k\]: lol
Novalys [2k\]: it will be rewarding after :)
]
;W[ie]C[plaw2 [14k\]: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
InABuzz [5k\]: oO
NotPedo [4k\]: China, too.
LugPaj [2d\]: byebye
]
;B[hf]C[plaw2 [14k\]: ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
plaw2 [14k\]: jj
elendril [6k\]: haha
Novalys [2k\]: go to hell plaw
shindon [9k\]: no china always lose to korea
plaw2 [14k\]: JJ
boondoggle [8k\]: *plonk
liusasori [1d\]: it...
globax [4d\]: b16
WeiqiGame [1d?\]: how DIngerstein results in EuroGO Congress?
Ryoji [1k\]: not really, shindon
InABuzz [5k\]: looks like a child
InABuzz [5k\]: dont bann him pls
InABuzz [5k\]: or his cat
NotPedo [4k\]: China's better than Japan.
]
;W[qf]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]:   Weiqi, 4-1
NotPedo [4k\]: imo, at least.
Novalys [2k\]: Boom
]
;B[qi]C[liusasori [1d\]: don't ban him, just delete his account
Mot [3k\]: shindon has just finish hikaru
Hades [3d\]: lol shindon, u know the titles list?
shindon [9k\]: yes
Hades [3d\]: china is ahead of korea
asrai [7k\]: lol mot
]
;W[qc]C[shindon [9k\]: no not really
InABuzz [5k\]: iam happy iam not an admin
meuns [2k\]: b16 !
]
;B[qd]C[Hades [3d\]: japan has no title
]
;W[pc]
;B[od]
;W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]C[asrai [7k\]: "Zing"
]
;B[qe]
;W[nc]C[NotPedo [4k\]: Are you sad about Sai, shindon?
meuns [2k\]: b16
]
;B[ch]C[globax [4d\]: b16 sente on w group ? 
Ryoji [1k\]: fast ^^
InABuzz [5k\]: c3 is shimmering
meuns [2k\]: dieeeeeeeee
globax [4d\]: f15
Onmyoji [2d\]: japanese cant win an international tournament
meuns [2k\]: c3 fails here
]
;W[ee]C[InABuzz [5k\]: sure?
shindon [9k\]: i only saw hikaru no go after i made my acount
PinotNero [2k\]: w look dangerous... ko for life?
Hestler [6k\]: SE is failing
]
;B[fe]C[Erimies [4d?\]: c3 lot aji
shindon [9k\]: i am part japense
Kirigo: c12 is very clever
meuns [2k\]: shinda == kid
meuns [2k\]: so
]
;W[ff]C[Hades [3d\]: hikaru no go is a joke :)
]
;B[ge]C[Novalys [2k\]: B16 now
]
;W[bd]
;B[fh]C[meuns [2k\]: shit ! b missed b16
Novalys [2k\]: b17 tempting
InABuzz [5k\]: what a game!! (again)
meuns [2k\]: !
]
;W[fg]C[InABuzz [5k\]: w dies, b dies oO
Novalys [2k\]: b16 probably hurt C9 meuns
meuns [2k\]: koreans are dominating !
]
;B[bc]C[InABuzz [5k\]: b much ahead or?
meuns [2k\]: c19 alive so, if he can kill
meuns [2k\]: B L O O D
wotan123 [2d\]: empty triangle, the best shape ever
Hades [3d\]: koreans dominated but now chinese ahead after 2008
meuns [2k\]: lee chang ho always at the top
tiger [3d\]: c13 simple life
DrH0use [2d\]: lee sedol is top
MythRealm [1k\]: B last moves probably gave him the win
shindon [9k\]: what serios all i get is reports from 2007
InABuzz [5k\]: c13 gote
Hades [3d\]: lol lee chang ho has 7 second place in serie
Qthulu [-\]: Gu lis is top :-P
meuns [2k\]: lee sedol is sick
shindon [9k\]: yes china
Hades [3d\]: now is gu li
Hades [3d\]: own
]
;W[bg]C[shindon [9k\]: i can speak some chinese
BenSenTen [?\]: who is gu li?
]
;B[bo]C[InABuzz [5k\]: b5??
DrH0use [2d\]: ch
PinotNero [2k\]: omg
Novalys [2k\]: it seems that B16 would hurt C6 so couldn't be played
InABuzz [5k\]: aji keshi?
]
;W[cq]C[PinotNero [2k\]: u dunno who is Gu Li...
InABuzz [5k\]: i guss not but
calme [4d?\]: nuub
Hades [3d\]: lol
PinotNero [2k\]: he is the strongest 9p in China
meuns [2k\]: gu li just likes big fights, spectacular but not really efficient
]
;B[bh]
;W[cg]C[BenSenTen [?\]: oh..
Novalys [2k\]: See meuns ;)
SpenceR [?\]: test
]
;B[me]C[Novalys [2k\]: Your b16 was baaaaaaaad
Novalys [2k\]: :p
huggy [3k\]: meuns!
tiger [3d\]: failed
huggy [3k\]: dont foget the !
PinotNero [2k\]: his name literally means "power"
IGoofy [1d\]: thought gu li was german
]
;W[le]C[meuns [2k\]: black doesn't play b16
]
;B[md]
;W[mc]C[a2kira [11k\]: b B15 works, no?
meuns [2k\]: so you can't deduce this
Novalys [2k\]: because it wasn't good
InABuzz [5k\]: b5 was necessary?
]
;B[ng]C[Novalys [2k\]: if you play b16, w got plenty of moves against c9
PinotNero [2k\]: amazing
PinotNero [2k\]: b look ahead
craig [4k\]: if his name meant "cup cake" would he be weaker?
calme [4d?\]: poor white
Hades [3d\]: b5 wasnt necessary but big and sente for w
InABuzz [5k\]: but w got c3
SpenceR [?\]: test
shindon [9k\]: b is wining
]
;W[oi]C[InABuzz [5k\]: anyway b looks ahead
tiger [3d\]: failed again
InABuzz [5k\]: so maybe proper play
meuns [2k\]: q12 ?
]
;B[ph]C[meuns [2k\]: ^^
Novalys [2k\]: i still don't dislike white in this game
calme [4d?\]: p9
meuns [2k\]: i was right novalys
elendril [6k\]: m16 ?
meuns [2k\]: black is just too weak
NotPedo [4k\]: q9 
PinotNero [2k\]: S5 simple kill really make w sad
meuns [2k\]: mouahahhaahaaa
Novalys [2k\]: You have to be right sometimes meuns uhuh
Novalys [2k\]: w j17 ?
Novalys [2k\]: ah no i hadn't seen M16 : /
Muscadet [?\]: b simply defends ? Must be very confident
tsuchigumo [-\]: Did b lose his last EGC main tournament game?
elendril [6k\]: he made white stop to count
BenSenTen [?\]: did guli beat leechangho ?
shindon [9k\]: w needs to make a bid comback to win
NotPedo [4k\]: If he maintians this advantage, b will win. Why not "just" defend?
taoyan [2k\]: egc  2009 website is nice
meuns [2k\]: w resigns now !
Erimies [4d?\]: this is prob last move they play
Hades [3d\]: kim lost 1
PinotNero [2k\]: Gu Li beaten Lee Chang Ho a handful of times
febrg: m16
samuraix [3k\]: hello, r the 2 players pro ??
BenSenTen [?\]: how about leechangho beat guli?
BenSenTen [?\]: many times?
Novalys [2k\]: l17 for white
meuns [2k\]: is the game real tournament ?
Novalys [2k\]: it's the EGC meuns
PinotNero [2k\]: w resigned?
taoyan [2k\]: no :P
zen [1k\]: it's not main tournament of EGC
Novalys [2k\]: Go go go l17
meuns [2k\]: why is a pro playing ?
Kirigo: p14 
zen [1k\]: just weekend tournament
meuns [2k\]: where can i find the pairing ?
]
;W[qj]C[AntiAdmin [1d?\]: yes it's strange he's been thinking for more than 1 minute already
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: is he still there ?
shindon [9k\]: yep
Onmyoji [2d\]: looks like he didnt escape
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: ha yes :)
meuns [2k\]:  where can i find the pairing ?
Arhiman [3k\]: good players always think a bit...
shindon [9k\]: isn,t that a little to deep
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: time - white 0:21, black 0:44
]
;B[pj]C[elendril [6k\]: he thought a lot
tiger [3d\]: w needs to go deep
yuca [8k\]: not enough
Hades [3d\]: last fight
wotan123 [2d\]: deep thought
calme [4d?\]: w need to sleep
meuns [2k\]: go b!
InABuzz [5k\]: s6 aji
craig [4k\]: info under options-rules meuns
shindon [9k\]: come on white
NotPedo [4k\]: White can't win now.
Kirigo: just to reduce
meuns [2k\]: oh thx
]
;W[of]C[Caldheron [8k\]: ?
Kirigo: here we are
wotan123 [2d\]: surprise
shindon [9k\]: a pathetic storgle
yuca [8k\]: O14?
InABuzz [5k\]: w makes the game somewhat messy^^
meuns [2k\]: are you sure craig ?
shindon [9k\]: strugle*
wotan123 [2d\]: fight for endor
craig [4k\]: it's there for me
tsuchigumo [-\]: storgle is goo.
meuns [2k\]: i don't see it
meuns [2k\]: :'(
tsuchigumo [-\]: good*
meuns [2k\]: no url
Kirigo: s14 bad aji
Muscadet [?\]: strudel?
]
;B[qg]C[meuns [2k\]: tesuki !
InABuzz [5k\]: r13 erased bad aji^
tiger [3d\]: aghi difficort
]
;W[nf]C[NotPedo [4k\]: you mean tesuji?
meuns [2k\]: yes
meuns [2k\]: sorry
NotPedo [4k\]: ^^
wolokom [5k\]: suji
shindon [9k\]: if o13 died then white wins by 2,5 points i think
InABuzz [5k\]: i feel w has a comeback
meuns [2k\]: i have a small keyboard and big fingers
Muscadet [?\]: o13
Jadeite [?\]: meuns, I couldn't find the pairing for the W/E tourni on the website either
taoyan [2k\]: iphone :D
craig [4k\]: tesuki is a little bit tenuki and a little bit tesuji
meuns [2k\]: i'm not alone
Kirigo: frightened for W
InABuzz [5k\]: shindon your joking :P
Larrave [3k\]: ^^
Ryoji [1k\]: they could update the tournament page
meuns [2k\]: TV3 : where is the paring please ?
Am [5d\]: is b near win?
Larrave [3k\]: white is tenuki and doing tesuji on another part of the board;D
]
;B[ic]C[InABuzz [5k\]: ahh!
InABuzz [5k\]: wow
meuns [2k\]: strong
wotan123 [2d\]: ...
meuns [2k\]: stong*
InABuzz [5k\]: bong*
yuca [8k\]: great move
NotPedo [4k\]: WOW!
InABuzz [5k\]: why its great???
Larrave [3k\]: was that a tesuki?^^
NotPedo [4k\]: XD
calme [4d?\]: tesuki
meuns [2k\]: ^^'...
Mediumdave [8k\]: a tenuji!
yuca [8k\]: trade
meuns [2k\]: use my keyboard with my fingers !
NotPedo [4k\]: Tesuki in a tenuki-tesuji.
]
;W[og]C[yuca [8k\]: denie fight.
NotPedo [4k\]: So yes.
NotPedo [4k\]: :D
meuns [2k\]: Arg...
meuns [2k\]: ^^
wotan123 [2d\]: hihi, both ignore the other
Kirigo: B will pay now
wolokom [5k\]: is w in the r corner dead
]
;B[pf]C[NotPedo [4k\]: Though I think b should'be just defended.
InABuzz [5k\]: no corner alive
Redwalljp [6k\]: doesn't J17 also act as a ladder breaker allosing b to cut at n14?
InABuzz [5k\]: s2 dead
]
;W[rn]C[meuns [2k\]: yes
InABuzz [5k\]: aji!
InABuzz [5k\]: wowo w
wotan123 [2d\]: oha
]
;B[qo]
;W[pk]
;B[qk]
;W[oj]C[shindon [9k\]: w is fighting
]
;B[rj]C[InABuzz [5k\]: why b j17 :::((((
]
;W[ih]C[Redwalljp [6k\]: k. glad I read that correctly. That's why w turned at P13 then
wotan123 [2d\]: they play for the kibitz
InABuzz [5k\]: i dont get: yyou all schoulted nice move
elendril [6k\]: whoa
Kirigo: kill center!
]
;B[jh]C[Gresil [-\]: group smoke! don't breathe that.
]
;W[ii]C[calme [4d?\]: huhu
yuca [8k\]: that was great too. :/
Hojo [3k\]: w shows his strength
Ryoji [1k\]: just h10 
Novalys [2k\]: everyone will be surprised when the game will end close.. all of it because they take sphere of influence for territory
InABuzz [5k\]: j12 was easy to see
]
;B[hh]C[yuca [8k\]: end game stregnth
InABuzz [5k\]: but why j17???
Am [5d\]: j11 was a miss
InABuzz [5k\]: b saw w is out?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white has resigned
elendril [6k\]: urg
calme [4d?\]: :o
taoyan [2k\]: both players smile?
InABuzz [5k\]: o
wotan123 [2d\]: o
Kirigo: so goooood
yuca [8k\]: ...
Onmyoji [2d\]: o
InABuzz [5k\]: hard game for me:(
cdans [2d?\]: It was a trick move.
Am [5d\]: looks like w is hopeless...
pruls [6k\]: thx for showing
pyroman [8k\]: H11 is enough
Slacker [8k?\]: pro in tears?
Mediumdave [8k\]: thanks eurogotv!
Gresil [-\]: thanks, eurogotv. is round 3 today or tomorrow?
Muscadet [?\]: clap clap nice game to watch
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes, tomorrow
shindon [9k\]: clap
Novalys [2k\]: >_<
Redwalljp [6k\]: j17 has two purposes: gaining territory and also acting as a ladder breaker which would allow b to cut w at n14.
Am [5d\]: j11 was a trick move...
taoyan [2k\]: http://www.egc2009.nl/?q=schedule
meuns [2k\]: w isn't in the pro list on the egc site
jersta [16k\]: thx euro :))
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 8 am gmt (or 10 am in netherlands and most of europe)
pyroman [8k\]: is not H11 best move for w
yuca [8k\]: no
Jadeite [?\]: thanks Euro :)
meuns [2k\]: w is desparating ^^
calme [4d?\]: why resign
yuca [8k\]: B connected via H10
pyroman [8k\]: sure it is
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Zhang Yanqi lost to Oh Chi-Min on board 2
yuca [8k\]: and B gets sente with maybe L17 or O8
meuns [2k\]: rusty rules
Ryoji [1k\]: yes!!
meuns [2k\]: J12 captured
meuns [2k\]: nothing to do
Redwalljp [6k\]: I was wrong. J17 doesn't act as a ladder breaker
pyroman [8k\]:  H11 then B H10 W h13 
Altair [8k\]: maybe h13 k14 h11
pyroman [8k\]: why doesn t it work?
Redwalljp [6k\]: who's that to Pyro?
wolokom [5k\]: m 16?
pyroman [8k\]: W kills g11 or k8
pyroman [8k\]: think its possible 
pyroman [8k\]: no?
wolokom [5k\]: no
odnihs [2d\]: g11 and k8 are connected
meuns [2k\]: kim is really strong !
meuns [2k\]: why isn't he pro
Redwalljp [6k\]: if w cuts at k11, j11 stones get captured
Redwalljp [6k\]: well, technically, they already are...
morning [3k\]: white weakness around n13
wolokom [5k\]: h 13 is cente 
wolokom [5k\]: what are they thinking?
Protonics [7k\]: is there any big difference between 7d and 1p?
odnihs [2d\]: not too much
Zeit [11k\]: the letters :P
pyroman [8k\]: is n t H13 a good move?
pyroman [8k\]: for w
Altair [8k\]: the best
pyroman [8k\]: doesn t it cut?
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