(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[1x20 byo-yomi] GN[EGC 2009 Weekend Tournament round 3 board 1]PW[Oh Chi-Min]PB[Ilya Shikshin]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-02]EV[Weekend]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]WT[KR]BT[RU]US[kamyszyn]C[svrcd [?\]: EuroGoTV, who is in the lead in tournament? EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 4 undefeated players EuroGoTV3 [-\]: these 2 and 2 korean from second board svrcd [?\]: nice. go Ilya! :) ebola [11k\]: i want blood! EuroGoTV3 [-\]: on 2nd board kim joon sang vs jun sang-youn EuroGoTV3 [-\]: Ilya yesterday won against Kim Eunkuk from Korea ] ;B[qd] ;W[dd] ;B[pq] ;W[oc]C[ebola [11k\]: r ther korean guys all former insei? ] ;B[md] ;W[qk] ;B[od] ;W[qo] ;B[dp] ;W[fq] ;B[iq] ;W[op] ;B[oq] ;W[np] ;B[mq] ;W[nq] ;B[nr]C[ketchup [2k\]: 99% possibility that they are :P ] ;W[mr] ;B[lr] ;W[mp] ;B[ms] ;W[lq] ;B[mr] ;W[kq]C[ebola [11k\]: seems to be the pattern... ] ;B[fp] ;W[qh] ;B[nc] ;W[gp] ;B[gq]C[ketchup [2k\]: j4 ] ;W[ep] ;B[fo] ;W[eq]C[ketchup [2k\]: all about the moyo for white? ] ;B[eo] ;W[gr] ;B[hq] ;W[dq]C[ketchup [2k\]: guess not mcw85 [7k\]: Chi-Minh beat Ilya in the main tournament. ebola [11k\]: this is not live? mcw85 [7k\]: It is. ketchup [2k\]: shape is good ] ;B[cq] ;W[cp] ;B[do] ;W[bq] ;B[cr] ;W[br] ;B[cf] ;W[fc] ;B[di]C[Oloril [1k\]: time limit seem rather short? ] ;W[co] ;B[cn]C[mcw85 [7k\]: 1 hour main and 30 second BY for weekend tourney. ] ;W[bn]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: 20 second mcw85 [7k\]: Sorry., Oloril [1k\]: ah, different tournament ketchup [2k\]: k10 ftw ] ;B[cm] ;W[bm] ;B[cl] ;W[jo] ;B[in]C[baian [1d\]: is this the only board being shown ? mcw85 [7k\]: Y ] ;W[jl]C[svante [3k\]: Is a webcam of this game up running? usagi [2d\]: pro move lol usagi [2d\]: this mcw85 [7k\]: N usagi [2d\]: k8 is a move i like ketchup [2k\]: q10 ] ;B[qp] ;W[rp] ;B[po] ;W[pp] ;B[qq] ;W[qn] ;B[jn]C[JohnSmith [1k\]: Invasion time! ] ;W[kn] ;B[km] ;W[jm] ;B[kl] ;W[kk] ;B[jk] ;W[hm]C[kane955 [4k\]: where is the site to watch again? EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no tv broadcast on weekend tournament mcw85 [7k\]: Not on camera. deft [3d\]: looks like B is in trouble cashcow [4d\]: KILLHIM! mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV3: Are there results for the weekend tourney anywhere? EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I think not yet mcw85 [7k\]: Thanks. deft [3d\]: M9 looks like the only way to continue the fight ebola [11k\]: L7 was.... Shadowrun [6k\]: oh chi min is rustysword? ColorCoded: yes mcw85 [7k\]: Yes. kane955 [4k\]: hey pen clone game? mcw85 [7k\]: And Ilya is roln11. cashcow [4d\]: rustysword:"I, Chi Min Oh, declare. I will be the winner of the EGC 2009!" deft [3d\]: not very likely ^^ cashcow [4d\]: is chiminoh korean or chinese or vietnamese or taiwnese or singaporean? ketchup [2k\]: korean cashcow [4d\]: then i declare him the winner@ OrangeRage [4k\]: lol ketchup [2k\]: he's ranked around 5th ketchup [2k\]: 3-4 other koreans in front of him.. ebola [11k\]: my gawd cashcow [4d\]: they are all rustysword cashcow [4d\]: B just j9 cashcow [4d\]: BEST MOVE J9 ketchup [2k\]: well this is weekend tournament anyways, not related ketchup [2k\]: he probably does have a chance to win this one ebola [11k\]: maybe Ilya is taking a pity on Oh?? mcw85 [7k\]: ? cashcow [4d\]: iilya is a guy? mcw85 [7k\]: Yes. tywin [2d\]: cashcow, it is by just such careless play that one ruins one's chances. j9 may be the best move, but a glance is not sufficient to determine this so certainly. Or else b would have played it already. dimitar [2k\]: kgs ranks are weaker than egc ranks? cashcow [4d\]: i play by feeling Oloril [1k\]: egc ranks only go up to 7d mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, dim. tywin [2d\]: Which is usually good enough, most games, most places. Zazen [1k\]: h8 ? Oloril [1k\]: no 8d or 9d, so it's different dimitar [2k\]: ah tywin [2d\]: 7d tourney game with an hour on the clock... not so much. ] ;B[ml]C[cashcow [4d\]: bad move cashcow [4d\]: this ends the game ] ;W[hn]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Why bad? cashcow [4d\]: because it's jumping in W's trap mcw85 [7k\]: What trap? tywin [2d\]: The I'm-making-this-up-as-I-go-along trap, of course. ] ;B[io]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Powerful trap, that one is. tywin [2d\]: cashcow is clearly a fan of "Get Strong at Kibitz". ] ;W[ho]C[wolokom [5k\]: Gennerally yes but lokaly? cashcow [4d\]: u clearly do not see the signs of The Trap mcw85 [7k\]: Clearly. ^^ tywin [2d\]: Well, since you refer to it so vaguely, instead of with sequences... tywin [2d\]: Enlighten us, please. cashcow [4d\]: i play with feeling u see Trumelunki [4d\]: It seems the game might be decided in the first fight mcw85 [7k\]: Tywin, you are falling in his trap. JoostC [3d\]: Black can connect at k2 so what is the trap? Gresil [-\]: kibitz trap? mcw85 [7k\]: Indeed. Godaisuki [1k\]: the I-want-to-make-you-angry-with-my-nonsense trap deft [3d\]: maybe B can use Q5 for something? ebola [11k\]: no wonder no one joins cow clan cashcow [4d\]: ok... lemme analyze it tywin [2d\]: I never get angry when I point out to someone how wrong they are. Instead, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling :) cashcow [4d\]: look r9 is strong group and unkillable tywin [2d\]: Noted. Godaisuki [1k\]: -.- JoostC [3d\]: If black j4 white H9, black k2, white k10 and takes a stone, that is ok for white cashcow [4d\]: B is thinking i wll P6 later and slaughter W cashcow [4d\]: that's what W is tempting B with cashcow [4d\]: ladder is not working because of r12 deft [3d\]: looks like B is just going to get his J5 stones captured JoostC [3d\]: cashcow is thinking faster than we are Gresil [-\]: i doubt b has any notion about killing white on th right... IGoofy [1d\]: the trap will pop up if b passes now without thinking Godaisuki [1k\]: lol cashcow [4d\]: do\\n't u see the trap now? just9x9 [-\]: whý didnt b play c5 in lower left when he could? ] ;B[ip]C[ColorCoded: he didn't have awesome powahs of hindsight at his sleeve back then ebola [11k\]: b L% next? tywin [2d\]: Um... no. Even without anything even remotely like a confirmed kill, b prefers to keep l8 healthy to deny w territory and keep the _aji_ of q5. wolokom [5k\]: and now? IGoofy [1d\]: w is trap a toni deft [3d\]: h8 m6 l5 m5 m4 l4 k4 k3 l4 l2 p6 cashcow [4d\]: @go rusty@ deft [3d\]: so, maybe W doesn't have time to defend the J7 cut? ] ;W[hk]C[royu [5d\]: w much easier imo deft [3d\]: sure ] ;B[ik]C[cashcow [4d\]: righT! Badduck [5d\]: imo w opening quite good deft [3d\]: but B can connect under at L2 in sente cashcow [4d\]: now W has l2 sente! wolokom [5k\]: who is killing hume ] ;W[il]C[just9x9 [-\]: now making shape or making short? ] ;B[ln] ;W[ko]C[ebola [11k\]: y not H8? DangoMango [5k\]: omfg it's oh chi min, the communist leader! Tobamf [7k?\]: h8 for who? Tobamf [7k?\]: hahahah tywin [2d\]: ebola, w wants the aji of reducing libs for the j9 group. ghool: j8 takes a lig ghool: *lib mcw85 [7k\]: To subtract a libert from k9 cashcow [4d\]: trap trap trap just9x9 [-\]: h8 for the one that followed the kibitz ;) Tobamf [7k?\]: I just arrived just9x9 [-\]: it was h8 or h9 :P DokdoKorea [2k\]: what is B's nick in KGS? mcw85 [7k\]: roln11 cashcow [4d\]: B has 3 weak groups! royu [5d\]: I don't get why b left out c5 earlier just9x9 [-\]: me neither IGoofy [1d\]: w can einpacken Tobamf [7k?\]: oh, black is Roln111? DokdoKorea [2k\]: thx , mcw85 mcw85 [7k\]: Yes. mcw85 [7k\]: Welcome. just9x9 [-\]: yes, rustysword vs roln111 ] ;B[hj] ;W[gk]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: oh, sweet! Tobamf [7k?\]: but rustysword is super strong bv4 [2k\]: ho no he should resign zzz [2k\]: l2 DokdoKorea [2k\]: do they ever play each other in KGS? deft [3d\]: Ilya beat one of the strongest koreans earlier mcw85 [7k\]: Yes. wolokom [5k\]: I like wite mcw85 [7k\]: They also played each other in the main tourney. deft [3d\]: first time a korean gets beaten by a european? mcw85 [7k\]: Ilya lost. Tobamf [7k?\]: Ilya technically not a European DokdoKorea [2k\]: thxx1000 mcw85 rkda [7k\]: no video for this one? wolokom [5k\]: k2 ColorCoded: wud, why not mcw85 [7k\]: Welcome, Dokdo. DangoMango [5k\]: ho chi min won the vietname war so he should win this game easily mcw85 [7k\]: Yes, but this oh, not ho. just9x9 [-\]: i vaguely remember that koreans were beaten by europeans some years ago... oh wait, that was soccer... Pessoa [8k\]: :D ] ;B[lo]C[ColorCoded: well, korea did beat few europeans placing 3rd in 2002 tywin [2d\]: Say it again, cashcow. You know you want to... ] ;W[lp]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: Europeans beat Koreans every year in the smelliest feet contest ColorCoded: or was it 2006.. years fly ] ;B[kp] ;W[jp] ;B[jq] ;W[kp]C[Zazen [1k\]: gonna vote for l2 just9x9 [-\]: 02 color, 06 was in germany Kirigo: p6 ? ColorCoded: ty mcw85 [7k\]: It's a trap! bv4 [2k\]: look behind you! ColorCoded: meh, which reminds me... 2010 is gonna be the best year ever deft [3d\]: L9 cutting stone is very powerful cashcow [4d\]: tywin: say what? DokdoKorea [2k\]: european doesn't wash their feet when take shower? deft [3d\]: no way B can get a good result here ColorCoded: world cup <3 \\o/ plus congress at my hometown ebola [11k\]: but we will all die in 2012 ] ;B[kr]C[deft [3d\]: can only try to limit the damage ] ;W[nn]C[Zazen [1k\]: n8 in trouble bv4 [2k\]: c17 give a ko? mcw85 [7k\]: ? tywin [2d\]: cashcow, I was waiting for you to say "it's a trap!" again - but see, b doesn't do anything so gauche is going for the kill. tywin [2d\]: is -> as tywin [2d\]: Of that group, anyway. ] ;B[kj]C[Thanshin [4k?\]: "gauche as going for the kill"? ] ;W[lk]C[cashcow [4d\]: look it's a trap ] ;B[mj]C[mcw85 [7k\]: This fight is massive. klabauter [2d\]: sacrify sth Godaisuki [1k\]: very ugly Oloril [1k\]: there is always a trap, wheels within wheels, plans and counter plans just9x9 [-\]: life is a trap ] ;W[lj]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: Qxf7#! ] ;B[li]C[Godaisuki [1k\]: oops kibitz at the wrong place XD mcw85 [7k\]: That's no moon! ebola [11k\]: L10 deft [3d\]: there is no piece at f7 cashcow [4d\]: this i told u ladder is not working mcw85 [7k\]: Ladder? cashcow [4d\]: yes Godaisuki [1k\]: and I told you the h6 pawn is dangerous Tobamf [7k?\]: who is leading this game? ] ;W[ij]C[mcw85 [7k\]: WHite. deft [3d\]: ! Tobamf [7k?\]: heheheh ebola [11k\]: kibitzers laia [16k\]: huh? why j10 and not k10? Zazen [1k\]: wow, didn`t think of that one DangoMango [5k\]: ho chi min ftw! deft [3d\]: I thought K10 was the only move cashcow [4d\]: becuase of R12... ] ;B[jj] ;W[ki]C[royu [5d\]: this ensures cut at n9 cashcow [4d\]: tywin? laia [16k\]: k10 seemed fine to me, but yeah im 16kyu Godaisuki [1k\]: J10 is nice ColorCoded: plus, gives some aji to magically live with h9 Oloril [1k\]: why is the cut at n9 better? deft [3d\]: yes, but it makes B stronger in the center mcw85 [7k\]: Tywin, cash read this all out. tywin [2d\]: cashcow, you've been sufficiently vague that I have no idea what you're talking about. cashcow [4d\]: didn't i point out r12 ? royu [5d\]: if other moves, like k100 or l11, b can get n8, n10 stones out Godaisuki [1k\]: R12 has nothing to do now haha Godaisuki [1k\]: k100 @@ cashcow [4d\]: sigh... u see later royu [5d\]: k10* klabauter [2d\]: take DangoMango [5k\]: cashcow is saying r12 kills black group royu [5d\]: and have to remember here that the important group is w h7 group (needs to live) Oloril [1k\]: ah, thank you royu, that makes sense cashcow [4d\]: i said R12 breaks teh ladder tywin [2d\]: (I'm not really putting a whole lot of reading effort into this, I just object to vague kibitz on principle) mcw85 [7k\]: What ladder? DangoMango [5k\]: why is black thinking so long? k11 isthe only move? mcw85 [7k\]: n11 That ladder? ] ;B[ji] ;W[mi] ;B[kh] ;W[mk]C[just9x9 [-\]: yes, only straight secuences with no more than 5 moves, its kibitz, not work ;) Thanshin [4k?\]: b o9. cashcow [4d\]: do u see the ladder yet? ] ;B[nk] ;W[nj] ;B[ll] ;W[mj] ;B[mh]C[mcw85 [7k\]: Nope. ] ;W[oj] ;B[hc]C[ebola [11k\]: what ladder? cashcow [4d\]: it was there cashcow [4d\]: now gone just9x9 [-\]: the ladder that p10 pprevented ] ;W[bd]C[deft [3d\]: not really a good result for B, but at least he avoided collapse frktos [2k\]: w+ resign ] ;B[fb]C[DangoMango [5k\]: b was just sacrificing his group cashcow [4d\]: i was expecting W to tenuki and j17 instead TomGo [1k\]: a ladder that might have captured the l9 cutting stone in north-east direction ] ;W[eb]C[bv4 [2k\]: j8 is ded as it stands? Thanshin [4k?\]: I thought it was an awful result for b and he was just testing if there was something to do elsewhere. :) bv4 [2k\]: *dead? DokdoKorea [2k\]: what's gold in spanish? DangoMango [5k\]: golda ebola [11k\]: oro cashcow [4d\]: cacas mcw85 [7k\]: J8 is okay. just9x9 [-\]: oro deft [3d\]: L8 is dead as it stands mcw85 [7k\]: Black dead. Tobamf [7k?\]: j8 alive, m8 dead DokdoKorea [2k\]: W+mucho oro ebola [11k\]: abba had an album called oro Shadowrun [6k\]: wouldnt B o10 W o9 have worked better for b than this dumpling shape since m8 is dead anyway? dongsaeng [3d\]: cyberoro Oloril [1k\]: did the members of abba all drive racecars? DangoMango [5k\]: ho chi min wins again? Hellhuman [4k\]: This is roln, isnt it? mcw85 [7k\]: Y Thanshin [4k?\]: Useless trivia: A city in Spain is called oropesa (gold weights) because a noble had to pay his daughter's weight in gold to marry her. harlej9 [2k\]: is w a pro player? kolkkj: b lost just9x9 [-\]: roln is european champion 2009 harlej9 [2k\]: thx mcw85 [7k\]: Youth champ. ebola [11k\]: was she fat? tywin [2d\]: Thanshin, might want to check your wording on that one. DangoMango [5k\]: fat? he's chow young fat? Shadowrun [6k\]: why did b play o9?? Oloril [1k\]: bah, marrying your own daughter sounds perfectly reasonable cashcow [4d\]: just pay sufficient gold Tobamf [7k?\]: it is only reasonable if she is hot Thanshin [4k?\]: hmm, to... get her married? TomGo [1k\]: but not pay for it just9x9 [-\]: to marry her away ;) Thanshin [4k?\]: to... get someone to marry her fat daughter? Thanshin [4k?\]: his. ] ;B[gb]C[tywin [2d\]: Better wording :) Thanshin [4k?\]: :) ebola [11k\]: so thats how diet was invented Hellhuman [4k\]: has artem and roln playing in reallife once? mirdolatte [2d\]: he married his own daughter? DangoMango [5k\]: who is roln ] ;W[nh]C[Hellhuman [4k\]: Ilya^^ Laman [2k\]: yes Thanshin [4k?\]: No, he had to pay to make another noble's son to marry her. ] ;B[ng]C[tywin [2d\]: Re-read the revisions, mirdolatte. ] ;W[mg] ;B[lh]C[Oloril [1k\]: the English language is such a wonderful thing HikaShin [-\]: english is a terrible language =/ ] ;W[oh]C[Oloril [1k\]: how many people on average does a priest marry? DangoMango [5k\]: chinese is such a wonderful language HikaShin [-\]: so many rules and so many times the rules are completely broken cashcow [4d\]: we should all use python mirdolatte [2d\]: hard to keep track of all kibitz and game :) Shadowrun [6k\]: oloril it depends what confession he has ebola [11k\]: we are not computers Shadowrun [6k\]: catholic priests 0 Shadowrun [6k\]: zero just9x9 [-\]: it depends how you read the phrase shadow tywin [2d\]: cashcow, Python will not free us from the burden of clarifying our ideas. Shadowrun [6k\]: ^^ i know bENi [4k\]: speaking of broken rules, you should try french Korea4K [2d\]: G10 cashcow [4d\]: import clairty harlej9 [2k\]: does p17 have any aji? as12: g 14 ebola [11k\]: clarity module will be in python 4000 TomGo [1k\]: no aji there cashcow [4d\]: f15 is very import zc3k [1k\]: w better laia [16k\]: is w still winning this? deft [3d\]: G10 is huge Oloril [1k\]: p17 looks fairly hosed, if there is aji left there I'd be surprised, but 7d's are magical creatures from happy unicorn land and can do funny things ] ;B[qf]C[Lebron [?\]: 9ps too cashcow [4d\]: q14 ! cashcow [4d\]: teach him a lesson! deft [3d\]: doesn't have to do magic to use a ladder breaker like Q15 to either take O13 or ruin the corner Tobamf [7k?\]: hrm Tobamf [7k?\]: white g11 Thanshin [4k?\]: can w use p17 to invade l17 or something? ] ;W[nf] ;B[og] ;W[oe]C[harlej9 [2k\]: .... Phear [-\]: yes p17 has aji lol Tobamf [7k?\]: aji is there kolkkj: good ebola [11k\]: genius! Sheeple [3k\]: b leading somewhat? deft [3d\]: looks dangerous for W also TomGo [1k\]: w ahead Tobamf [7k?\]: i would think there is aji until black q17 is in place ZothOmmog [4k\]: q15 no? Oloril [1k\]: and that's why us kyus shouldn't touch the go stones ] ;B[pg]C[Sheeple [3k\]: i say w ahead ] ;W[pd]C[royu [5d\]: wow Sheeple [3k\]: err b cashcow [4d\]: W lost cashcow [4d\]: bad trade royu [5d\]: two very interesting moves kolkkj: w will win ZothOmmog [4k\]: q17 Gresil [-\]: no, B is falling into W's trap superdupon [2d\]: r17 ] ;B[nd]C[Thanshin [4k?\]: Ok, the question was: is p17's aji enough to invade? Or w will at most reduce at h15 or around. Shadowrun [6k\]: r15 IGoofy [1d\]: collase deft [3d\]: W is dead locally harlej9 [2k\]: these moves have to be calculated cashcow [4d\]: w trigger happy now laia [16k\]: n14? ZothOmmog [4k\]: or white is just messing around Oloril [1k\]: I predict ko deft [3d\]: I think W overplayed here Phear [-\]: high dans don't mess around in these tournaments zc3k [1k\]: R17 possible? IGoofy [1d\]: q14 Sheeple [3k\]: they do, this is a side tournament :) AntiAdmin [1d?\]: R17 looks interresting harlej9 [2k\]: that's what I thiunk Phear [-\]: oh i see deft [3d\]: in the most basic sequence; r17 q15 q17 s16 s17 p18 q18 o18 W is dead cashcow [4d\]: w can still give this up ebola [11k\]: is there prize for winning this? such as free lunch? AntiAdmin [1d?\]: r17 q15 s16 ZothOmmog [4k\]: q15 AntiAdmin [1d?\]: might live in the corner Thanshin [4k?\]: w q18 then? tywin [2d\]: r17 q15 s16 q17 r18 w alive... svante [3k\]: The winner gets a Happy Meal(TM) deft [3d\]: Q15 R17 then W can resign ] ;W[pe]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: wooo ZothOmmog [4k\]: i win! kolkkj: w wants ko Manudu92 [2k\]: you win th game ! for sure klabauter [2d\]: Artem has beaten Oh in Pardubice ] ;B[qc]C[JoostC [3d\]: Black s17/ ] ;W[pc]C[IGoofy [1d\]: q15 was a kyu move cashcow [4d\]: s14 Phear [-\]: you're not far from kyu Goofy :) deft [3d\]: R18 less eyes for W Shadowrun [6k\]: s13 HikaShin [-\]: whoa its phear Thanshin [4k?\]: That's how he knows. Oloril [1k\]: apparently a thought out kyu move, he spent some time on it Tobamf [7k?\]: even kyu's will play good moves if they are obvious Phear [-\]: whoa it's hs klabauter [2d\]: s14 ] ;B[mf]C[mcw85 [7k\]: EGTV3: Time? laia [16k\]: thats the move I was thinking lol tywin [2d\]: It takes a dan to play something bone-headed in place of the obvious good move :) kolkkj: b win no way ı think Thanshin [4k?\]: Obvious? I'd think w completely dead here. ketchup [2k\]: n15 then invade at l17? Tobamf [7k?\]: true twyin, untl 7d ranking :) EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:43, black 0:10 deft [3d\]: oh, maybe this is even stronger royu [5d\]: tenuki deft [3d\]: R15 is not working :) joliejulie [-\]: r15 hurts now superdupon [2d\]: no ebola [11k\]: flip the board cashcow [4d\]: s14 best move deft [3d\]: r15 s15 s14 s16 Thanshin [4k?\]: k16. cashcow [4d\]: S14! deft [3d\]: no way for W DokdoKorea [2k\]: j11 ] ;W[me]C[kolkkj: g16 h16g14 Oloril [1k\]: white's not going to let go, he's seen some glimmer of hope that has escaped the rest of us deft [3d\]: just M14 laia [16k\]: m15? superdupon [2d\]: m14 fine ebola [11k\]: w aiming at O16 group superdupon [2d\]: no need to m15 deft [3d\]: ah, W is looking to make O18 not possible to answer at N18 Thanshin [4k?\]: He must be preparing a nice attack on h17 or r14. Otherwise, it's alien to me. ozjohn [4k\]: o15? cashcow [4d\]: W is too deep cashcow [4d\]: it's a trap! sacrifice1 [12k\]: M 15 laia [16k\]: o15 seems good tiger [3d\]: still r15 for w ... JoostC [3d\]: White likes to play o18 and r18 and make some ko in the corner tiger [3d\]: if m14 w m16 cashcow [4d\]: trap trap trap sacrifice1 [12k\]: M 15 ] ;B[lg]C[deft [3d\]: R15 is nothing Shadowrun [6k\]: white is blitzing if he has used only 13 min so far Oo Shadowrun [6k\]: i meant 17 JohnSmith [1k\]: He is always blitzing kolkkj: m14 tywin [2d\]: On the other hand, he's had all of b's thinking time to consider, as well. cashcow [4d\]: W should have just q14 as i suggested ebola [11k\]: why not j11 JohnSmith [1k\]: Even if he losing :)) tiger [3d\]: sigh, r15 is something, but ... cashcow [4d\]: s14 tiger [3d\]: m14 royu [5d\]: m16 maybe deft [3d\]: well, W can get R18 hane and connect in sente based on the R15 aji, but that's all I can see Vibration [7k\]: there are pro or amator ? Thanshin [4k?\]: I'd still k16. Laman [2k\]: ama tiger [3d\]: r15 aji is the reason b played m13 tiger [3d\]: and not m14 Lebron [?\]: big kill coming up? :d Shadowrun [6k\]: i dont get 2 rather obvious bad b moves 1) he didnt play c5 sente and 2) why did he play the o9-variation instead of o10 saving his stone on move 101 IGoofy [1d\]: ask dr know ] ;W[ld]C[cashcow [4d\]: w can still recover from this zc3k [1k\]: too big Thanshin [4k?\]: It's a conspiracy. High dans play bad moves to mess our comprehension so we never reach them. ZothOmmog [4k\]: m16 sick dawid963 [8k\]: hopeless KlerChazal [-\]: m16 is obvious thought.. Lebron [?\]: if they play bad moves, wouldnt one of them punish Lebron [?\]: or is it all a conspiracy... just9x9 [-\]: lol hopeless ZothOmmog [4k\]: obvious? Onmyoji [2d\]: roln so strong JoostC [3d\]: It makes 018 more fun Thanshin [4k?\]: All conspiracy. OrangeRage [4k\]: your mom KlerChazal [-\]: if you want to get something out you have to start this way ! dimitar [2k\]: how much time does b have left? Thanshin [4k?\]: From now on, state the obvious moves before they're played so we've got one more step to start calculations from, please. ] ;B[lc]C[zc3k [1k\]: M16 like trickery hylie [4d\]: atark KlerChazal [-\]: just black couldnt cut. hylie [4d\]: atari? IGoofy [1d\]: i tell me ma when i come home the roln wont leave my stones alone Shadowrun [6k\]: time plz? ZothOmmog [4k\]: m16 trick play tywin [2d\]: There are more tesujis in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Thanshin [4k?\]: now m14. EuroGoTV3 [-\]: white 0:37, black 0:05 ZothOmmog [4k\]: l17! ZothOmmog [4k\]: noooo cashcow [4d\]: o18 ZothOmmog [4k\]: l17 now Thanshin [4k?\]: Make b think you'll kill the entire central group and then you attack h17. .. From the shadows! harlej9 [2k\]: is it broadcasted on eurogotv? EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no dimitar [2k\]: o18 ZothOmmog [4k\]: l17 ubermove harlej9 [2k\]: ok, thx Kirigo: l15 ? Shadowrun [6k\]: m14? royu [5d\]: i think w has nothing Thanshin [4k?\]: m14 to prepare r15. IGoofy [1d\]: TV is for Text Version Shadowrun [6k\]: lol BrYanwithY [5k\]: only one game tonight? royu [5d\]: w wanted o18 to work but ends up b can live everywhere, including r17 group most importantly mcw85 [7k\]: There are three more rounds after this, IGoofy [1d\]: 2 Gresil [-\]: no, two cashcow [4d\]: join the cow clan and learn to kitbitz like a pro! Thanshin [4k?\]: How do pros kibitz? ] ;W[nb]C[mcw85 [7k\]: What are these clans? Coffeeman [4k?\]: they grunt cashcow [4d\]: u have to join to find out cstoner [3k\]: it's called "review" HikaShin [-\]: through telepathy Thanshin [4k?\]: Are they pro players? Or pro kibitzers. ] ;B[le]C[Lebron [?\]: misread?! mcw85 [7k\]: That hardly sounds reasonable. ] ;W[kd]C[ketchup [2k\]: n18 Onmyoji [2d\]: w dead laia [16k\]: w lost the fight? Thanshin [4k?\]: This (o18) is w life on corner? BrYanwithY [5k\]: shorter games tonight? Lebron [?\]: weekend tourney, not main tourney Kuzuryusen [-\]: only weekend tournament ;) Gresil [-\]: it's not even noon yet, and this isn't part of the main tournamnt BrYanwithY [5k\]: I see Shadowrun [6k\]: it i hard with 20s byo yomi later for b Vibration [7k\]: what do you mean ? Shadowrun [6k\]: *is ZothOmmog [4k\]: w escapes Vibration [7k\]: main tournament? zc3k [1k\]: magic se Ylikala [1k\]: who's leading the weekend tourney mcw85 [7k\]: These two or undefeated. mcw85 [7k\]: But there have been only two rounds. Elscouta [2k\]: w lives locally losing l16 and o14 after b o15 w n18 Cassis0 [5d\]: O.o i wouldnt try to kill oh chi minh Oloril [1k\]: there are (or were at the start of this round) 4 undefeated players bartosh [3k\]: is there any live transmission? mcw85 [7k\]: Nope. JoostC [3d\]: If white had played n18, black take stone, white R18, black s18, w s19 If blak s17 white lives Oloril [1k\]: by the end of the round there will be 2 semiclassy [2d\]: are the results available somewhere? mcw85 [7k\]: B needs to capture? hylie [4d\]: no Ylikala [1k\]: who are the undefeated hylie [4d\]: not available ] ;B[lb] ;W[ne]C[TomGo [1k\]: results available in Groningen :) ] ;B[mc]C[Shadowrun [6k\]: k18? HFIRE [9k?\]: l17 Oloril [1k\]: EuroGoTV3 [-\]: on 2nd board kim joon sang vs jun sang-youn IGoofy [1d\]: if there were the results already it would be useless to play royu [5d\]: i think m15 should have been this n17 move in first place JoostC [3d\]: white k18? Ylikala [1k\]: thanks for the info oloril cashcow [4d\]: anyone at the scene? cashcow [4d\]: is rusty shaking? zc3k [1k\]: L15 svante [3k\]: on 3rd board qui gon jin vs chun li ebola [11k\]: chun li? Oloril [1k\]: yes, but I think only 1st and 2nd board members are undefeated svante [3k\]: sorry, bad joke ] ;W[jc] ;B[jb]C[superdupon [2d\]: EuroGoTV3, will we have the wall list of this we tournament? ebola [11k\]: she must be kicking some azz ] ;W[ke] ;B[lf]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: I hope so JoostC [3d\]: ko superdupon [2d\]: any idea when? ;) Shadowrun [6k\]: j18 ] ;W[qb] ;B[rb]C[EuroGoTV3 [-\]: no idea ;) KlerChazal [-\]: s19 David [2d\]: s19 superdupon [2d\]: thx :) Ylikala [1k\]: l18 tywin [2d\]: s19 s17 ZothOmmog [4k\]: r16 ZothOmmog [4k\]: 15 tywin [2d\]: No good, Zoth. B connects or lives in the corner. royu [5d\]: j18 l17 just9x9 [-\]: r15 takes own lib David [2d\]: s19 seems dont work JoostC [3d\]: wj18 gives another ko Xrillo [2k\]: l18? Ylikala [1k\]: l18 only move cashcow [4d\]: w play mindgames with B tywin [2d\]: l18 l17 j18 l19 j17 n19 ] ;W[kb]C[Ylikala [1k\]: l18 l17 n18 l19 n19m19 p19 Ylikala [1k\]: works fj [7d\]: W lives ] ;B[kc]C[Thanshin [4k?\]: nice. Ylikala [1k\]: l18 l19 l17 j18 n18 m19 n19 k19 p19 doesnt help fj [7d\]: l17 m19 l19 n19 j17 p19 ] ;W[mb] ;B[ka] ;W[ma]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: p18 Ylikala [1k\]: p18 p19 cashcow [4d\]: the p18 ] ;B[ic]C[Ylikala [1k\]: and already alive ] ;W[oa]C[fj [7d\]: or just like this fj [7d\]: ^^ tywin [2d\]: Ah. Good call. ZothOmmog [4k\]: for b deft [3d\]: why not P18?? superdupon [2d\]: resign Sheeple [3k\]: good work cashcow [4d\]: P18 kills leger [1d\]: wow.. fun way to live cashcow [4d\]: oh because P18 P19 superdupon [2d\]: o18 instead of m17 zc3k [1k\]: fantastic dongsaeng [3d\]: vibu ZothOmmog [4k\]: anyone know why b didnt p18? dongsaeng [3d\]: @@ chrpa [1d\]: p18p19 mcw85 [7k\]: p19 m19 l18 j18 cashcow [4d\]: if B P18, W P19 superdupon [2d\]: because it was the same royu [5d\]: I feel m15 was the mistake... should have been n17 cashcow [4d\]: i feel so sorry for roln! cashcow [4d\]: it was SO CLOSE! Onmyoji [2d\]: :( IGoofy [1d\]: imagine a b stone at p18 now Onmyoji [2d\]: now w win EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black in BY liberrimo [1d\]: Now w F15 ] ;B[hr] ;W[fs]C[superdupon [2d\]: o18 instead of m17 was working imo ZothOmmog [4k\]: r19 Mem0r3x [1k\]: Which one is roln? cstoner [3k\]: roln is Ilya matjet [1k\]: ilya Meareal [4k\]: b Yippie [2d\]: because it gives away points; because he needs to play something to live; because he read it... ZothOmmog Mem0r3x [1k\]: Ok thanks. ] ;B[qj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: yeah so? cashcow [4d\]: q9 Shadowrun [6k\]: @ fj warum hat schwarz die o9 variante gespielt und nicht einfach o10 im Zug101? ZothOmmog [4k\]: whats yer point? royu [5d\]: this move is? ] ;W[rj]C[tywin [2d\]: ...desperation. Thanshin [4k?\]: berserk? ] ;B[bo] ;W[bp]C[tywin [2d\]: Or... time tesuji? cstoner [3k\]: timesuji ;) ] ;B[qa] ;W[pb]C[zc3k [1k\]: soon res Crash580 [5k\]: may be a bad question why not q 18 for b? ] ;B[ra]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: e177? fj [7d\]: @ Shadow: can't read his mind Larrave [3k\]: because q18 doesnt work tywin [2d\]: q18 r19 cashcow [4d\]: r15 cstoner [3k\]: I love timesuji... it's like "invisible ko" ZothOmmog [4k\]: q19 needed ] ;W[qe]C[laia [16k\]: o_o ] ;B[re]C[tywin [2d\]: ...eventually. ] ;W[rf]C[ColorCoded: countertimesuji ] ;B[rd] ;W[qg] ;B[pf] ;W[pa] ;B[be]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: s13 ] ;W[ce] ;B[bf]C[Komodo [1d\]: t17 works or not? ] ;W[bl]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: no tywin [2d\]: Not. ZothOmmog [4k\]: s13 cstoner [3k\]: no Ylikala [1k\]: t17 t18 Sheeple [3k\]: heh Komodo [1d\]: yeah and then s17 laia [16k\]: s13 too small? just9x9 [-\]: demotion for komodo plz :P ] ;B[db]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: no t17 s123 ] ;W[ea]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: s13 Shadowrun [6k\]: @fj sure but do you also prefer o9 variation instead of o10 at move 101? tywin [2d\]: s13 too gote for b, laia. ] ;B[cc] ;W[cd]C[laia [16k\]: ah ok ] ;B[dc]C[Ylikala [1k\]: why w so aggressive? ] ;W[ec] ;B[bc]C[just9x9 [-\]: ho ho ho chi min MatchFree [-\]: why not? ] ;W[ad]C[ColorCoded: black is on 20 sec byo msanthrope [2k\]: becuase someon put gun poowder in his food ] ;B[pk]C[DrH0use [2d\]: b alive! ketchup [2k\]: ? Ylikala [1k\]: ok e16 doesnt work so ok for b DrH0use [2d\]: e15 IGoofy [1d\]: everbody has a right to make a goof out of himself Ylikala [1k\]: *for w DrH0use [2d\]: but a17 is sente Ephemere [2d\]: hopr to increase libs to block h9 i suppose ZothOmmog [4k\]: im drunk tywin [2d\]: Not "right" goofy. More like a talent. ] ;W[pj]C[DrH0use [2d\]: this is bad Ylikala [1k\]: oh true abak [3k\]: b17 live on ko ] ;B[bb]C[just9x9 [-\]: q9 was for time deft [3d\]: E16 is a problem for W ZothOmmog [4k\]: b alive abak [3k\]: e16 f15 ketchup [2k\]: trade ketchup [2k\]: h12 laia [16k\]: what time is w on? DrH0use [2d\]: e16 f15 cashcow [4d\]: not really alive ketchup [2k\]: not problem tenju [2k\]: b is dead deft [3d\]: yes abak, but then A17 becomes sente so B lives inside abak [3k\]: ko DrH0use [2d\]: alive cause a17 sente leger [1d\]: w is dead i think abak [3k\]: a17 sente zebula [4k\]: lol b dead but he need some threat maybe ZothOmmog [4k\]: a17 c10 leger [1d\]: err, white will find life, but b alive ZothOmmog [4k\]: c19 deft [3d\]: A17 is sente because of E16 problem Vorpax [?\]: b dead... ZothOmmog [4k\]: b alive Ylikala [1k\]: c15 was overplay I think notMe [1d\]: now b regrets the lost ko threats from hois timesuji ketchup [2k\]: white should bust out h12 first deft [3d\]: what ko??? Ephemere [2d\]: b is localy dead, but threatening to cut.... Luffyop [2k\]: black not alirve bensenseii [-\]: Locally dead yes bensenseii [-\]: C19 MatchFree [-\]: at this moment white cant kill.. ] ;W[df]C[Ephemere [2d\]: even a17 kills tywin [2d\]: deft, maybe someone misreading a bent-four style ko. leger [1d\]: black is fine, white has too few liberties to kill just9x9 [-\]: recall the proverb "The L-group might be dead" ] ;B[ca]C[zebula [4k\]: u_u Ephemere [2d\]: great ^^ Yippie [2d\]: focus on the 'might' part hfor this situation just9x9 [-\]: yep Ephemere [2d\]: the cut was to much of a threat for w MatchFree [-\]: wasnt d19 one point better? cashcow [4d\]: c13 ZothOmmog [4k\]: god i wish my roomate would die deft [3d\]: D19 leaves a nasty ko JoostC [3d\]: c12 tywin [2d\]: Ko that way, MatchFree. ] ;W[ee]C[superdupon [2d\]: how many time for white? Eurogotv Ephemere [2d\]: d 19 risky MatchFree [-\]: oops ic ftroiset [2d\]: no, it gives a ko (d19 a 18 ] ;B[ch]C[bensenseii [-\]: No ZothOmmog [4k\]: d19? just9x9 [-\]: d19 a18 ko i read ZothOmmog [4k\]: what? cashcow [4d\]: g14 ZothOmmog [4k\]: d19 nothing Ylikala [1k\]: w alive JoostC [3d\]: white lives = white wins tywin [2d\]: Another order is d19 b19 a17 c19 Ephemere [2d\]: this game is full of surprise :p just9x9 [-\]: d19 inxstead of c19, then a18 lewads to ko zothomg ketchup [2k\]: h13~ deft [3d\]: this order is better, tywin ] ;W[eh]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: no way white can die here tywin [2d\]: Yes, deft. ] ;B[ql] ;W[rk]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: i was looking at the game now tywin [2d\]: Other order leaves only bent-four death if b tenukis, for one thing. Ylikala [1k\]: b should have peeped at e15 before c19 ] ;B[fg] ;W[ge]C[ftroiset [2d\]: d19 b19is indeed better Ephemere [2d\]: ouch, b is nasty ] ;B[fd] ;W[gd]C[MatchFree [-\]: f13 one missed? f14 better no? ] ;B[ef] ;W[dg]C[zebula [4k\]: :O JoostC [3d\]: black f14 was simpler ] ;B[dr] ;W[er]C[ftroiset [2d\]: Tobamf : no way ? Onmyoji [2d\]: b time problems? just9x9 [-\]: yes EuroGoTV3 [-\]: yes Tobamf [7k?\]: for sure white will live Yippie [2d\]: black will lose because of time-suji's ] ;B[pn]C[tywin [2d\]: Hm. Looking at it again, I'm gonna have to disagree with you, deft. ] ;W[pm]C[poukram [1d\]: they play fast . byoyomi ? Sheeple [3k\]: nothing is sure. w looks pretty dead Oloril [1k\]: 20 second byo yomi leger [1d\]: w is alive tywin [2d\]: b19 gives w first capture. ] ;B[gj]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: white would die in my hands ketchup [2k\]: black using timesuji Tobamf [7k?\]: not in Oh's though IGoofy [1d\]: is this the kids tourney by accident Konsta [-\]: How much does white have time left? Oloril [1k\]: weekend tournament ftroiset [2d\]: for the moment, w is completeluy dead ] ;W[fk]C[cashcow [4d\]: guys u have to remember that rusty is 9d ] ;B[hl] ;W[gl]C[Mem0r3x [1k\]: Bad aji at c9 Vibration [7k\]: w is rusty ? ketchup [2k\]: yes ] ;B[ei]C[Vibration [7k\]: oh ! HFIRE [9k?\]: rusty will win this ketchup [2k\]: ilya is roln111 ZothOmmog [4k\]: f14 Vibration [7k\]: so w will win i guess ^^ Vibration [7k\]: ah ftroiset [2d\]: and this is not kgs Onmyoji [2d\]: b is 8d ketchup [2k\]: tournament play a lot stronger Tobamf [7k?\]: yeah just9x9 [-\]: this is not kgs? Vibration [7k\]: roln11 isnt a kid ? ] ;W[ff] ;B[eg]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: no ketchup [2k\]: not anmore ZothOmmog [4k\]: woo Vibration [7k\]: ok Tobamf [7k?\]: roln1111 must be 16 now zebula [4k\]: -_- Mem0r3x [1k\]: Where is black territory? cashcow [4d\]: g13 g12 h14 as12: k16, j 15 tildebis [?\]: roln is 19 Sheeple [3k\]: under the w group ] ;W[gg]C[ColorCoded: he is 19 ] ;B[fh]C[ketchup [2k\]: i was pretty sure he was older than 18 Tobamf [7k?\]: 19 now? really? ] ;W[hf]C[Gresil [-\]: they grow so fast... Onmyoji [2d\]: :'( HFIRE [9k?\]: hehe msanthrope [2k\]: hwere the white stones are hes hoping ] ;B[im] ;W[hl]C[klabauter [2d\]: j15 just9x9 [-\]: f7 ftroiset [2d\]: looks like mogo stylle :-) Luffyop [2k\]: white is alive Sheeple [3k\]: w answers this? he must be sure of life. ] ;B[om] ;W[on]C[zebula [4k\]: j11 white ?? just9x9 [-\]: lol sheeple ] ;B[pl]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: um, n8 really dead TeeSushi [3d\]: w+res Tobamf [7k?\]: yep, white was alive when he had 1 eye and that nice shape. No chance for black to kill him ] ;W[oo] ;B[es] ;W[ds]C[Vibration [7k\]: lol ftroiset [2d\]: no, wis still dead, and enter new trouble hezree (semeai) zebula [4k\]: g12 f11 j11 h12 j12 j13 k12 l11 k13 k14 l14 TeeSushi [3d\]: time tesuji? Sheeple [3k\]: but g14 is not an eye Vibration [7k\]: e1 was funny ] ;B[ig]C[Hometet [9k\]: hehe Vibration [7k\]: doing that for time? ZothOmmog [4k\]: j15 donzet [?\]: black tiimesuji are awfull to see just9x9 [-\]: yes vib timesuji RyuuGan [3k\]: EuroGoTV? Vibration [7k\]: ah timesuji RyuuGan [3k\]: how much time left? Ylikala [1k\]: b forgot to peep at e15 Vibration [7k\]: ok i see now ^^ ZothOmmog [4k\]: hmm g12 first MatchFree [-\]: Ylikala.. if he did b18 would have been dead bohica [5k\]: h13 for w? ] ;W[ie] ;B[hd]C[bohica [5k\]: connect or live Tobamf [7k?\]: wow ] ;W[jd]C[Tobamf [7k?\]: I got a move ] ;B[la]C[just9x9 [-\]: sente Sheeple [3k\]: err... ] ;W[hg]C[Sheeple [3k\]: holy cow ] ;B[he]C[cashcow [4d\]: holy cow VanEeden [5d\]: F11 gives b something to chew on Ephemere [2d\]: still 1 eye ] ;W[ih]C[zebula [4k\]: hehehe ZothOmmog [4k\]: danger Larrave [3k\]: white going for kill too or what goLord [5d\]: connected sacrifice1 [12k\]: black can't win hehe Yippie [2d\]: this seems like two eyes to me HFIRE [9k?\]: w clearly alive here ] ;B[fj]C[donzet [?\]: with f11 w alive Ephemere [2d\]: argh Ephemere [2d\]: alive ] ;W[jg]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: j11 Tobamf [7k?\]: white had no chance of dying zebula [4k\]: :/ ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not j11? ketchup [2k\]: alive in sente? deft [3d\]: W has more liberties in the capturing race ketchup [2k\]: lol.. Ephemere [2d\]: and it's a big life destroying b territory..... Ylikala [1k\]: j11 s13 ] ;B[nl]C[HFIRE [9k?\]: l12 dead Sheeple [3k\]: b o8 and semeai Sheeple [3k\]: yeah notMe [1d\]: lo capturing race there ] ;W[ek]C[notMe [1d\]: *no sacrifice1 [12k\]: Đ sacrifice1 [12k\]: D9 ZothOmmog [4k\]: j11 bigger than s13? EuroGoTV3 [-\]: black has resigned HFIRE [9k?\]: good just9x9 [-\]: trhx euro HFIRE [9k?\]: :) Tobamf [7k?\]: good game HFIRE [9k?\]: well doen rusty DrH0use [2d\]: ty egtv HFIRE [9k?\]: thanks for the relay egtv Ephemere [2d\]: soon black resign... harlej9 [2k\]: thx songha [1k\]: amazing just9x9 [-\]: lol ephemere Shadowrun [6k\]: thx Mem0r3x [1k\]: lol@soon black resign... ZothOmmog [4k\]: W+ 30 ebola [11k\]: what did W win? donzet [?\]: ilya is still keep continuying, child spirit is still there Deckard [?\]: will there be live streams from egc ? msanthrope [2k\]: the game EuroGoTV3 [-\]: live stream only in main tournament EuroGoTV3 [-\]: next round in 1 hour donzet [?\]: time for lunch i think notMe [1d\]: was w killable without the pressure? donzet [?\]: b resign Larrave [3k\]: w resigned Larrave [3k\]: XD Deckard [?\]: what time do they play ? (streams) ColorCoded: euro: whose game will be on kgs? ColorCoded: on next round EuroGoTV3 [-\]: oh chi-min with some other korean ebola [11k\]: how come its all koreans? Onmyoji [2d\]: they are too strong Deckard [?\]: i ca#T find date and time on the egc-sites HFIRE [9k?\]: well Larrave [3k\]: only chuck norris can beat them HFIRE [9k?\]: it's hard to make money in korea Deckard [?\]: can't VanEeden [5d\]: ih ah oh chi min HFIRE [9k?\]: go is a nice business zebula [4k\]: lol HFIRE [9k?\]: and civilised . if it can hopefully be played outside korea, it's great sacrifice1 [12k\]: J11 HFIRE [9k?\]: i understand every opportunity they take outside their country :) tiger [3d\]: go is not played outside korea? deft [3d\]: I think the korean delegation splits the prize money to pay for the tickets... zebula [4k\]: .... deft [3d\]: nice holiday plan ;) ebola [11k\]: sounds like some sort of cartel.... Larrave [3k\]: y Larrave [3k\]: of life Yippie [2d\]: big Asia Go-cartel Yippie [2d\]: sounds stupid donzet [?\]: i remember in tuchola the 2 best corean men let the corean woman win the tournament how romantic tour in europe ])