(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[3600]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[IASI Go Cup Round 4 - Romania]PW[Ali Jabarin]PB[Csaba Mero]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2010-08-28]PC[Iasi, Romania]WT[Tel Aviv]BT[Budapest]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Let's start!
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;B[cp]
;W[pd]
;B[dc]
;W[pp]C[evanj [2d\]: ok
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;B[eq]
;W[de]
;B[dh]
;W[gd]
;B[ee]
;W[ef]
;B[fe]
;W[dd]
;B[ec]
;W[ff]
;B[ge]
;W[cc]
;B[fc]
;W[cb]
;B[df]
;W[dg]
;B[cf]
;W[ce]
;B[eg]
;W[cg]
;B[bf]C[evanj [2d\]: haha
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;W[bg]C[zazie [5d\]: o_O
AhSayuni [4d\]: wrong again =\\
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;B[be]
;W[cd]
;B[ci]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: ><
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;W[bi]
;B[bd]
;W[bh]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: oh well...
zazie [5d\]: how is it possible to be so wrong at move 25
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they play too fast, sorry
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's blitz
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;B[po]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: would you like the correct order?
A1R [4k\]: ali got promotion too? o-O
A1R [4k\]: o.O
evanj [2d\]: what?!
A1R [4k\]: ali was on egc 5d now 6d...artem was 6d on egc now 7d
AhSayuni [4d\]: d14 d13 c14 c13 b15 c15 b14 b13 b16 c16 e13 b11 d12 b12 
AhSayuni [4d\]: GoR of 2550-2650 is 6d. Ali has 2557
evanj [2d\]: what the hell is q5
AhSayuni [4d\]: (so he fits)
AhSayuni [4d\]: Q5 is a ladder breaker
A1R [4k\]: ok...
AhSayuni [4d\]: f13 ladder
evanj [2d\]: oh, that makes sense
AhSayuni [4d\]: E12 and F13 are two ways to answer
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;W[fg]
;B[qp]
;W[qq]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Ali likes it simple
AhSayuni [4d\]: b is likely to e12 and there's annoying aji
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;B[qo]
;W[pq]
;B[eh]C[Dr4conian [4d?\]: whos' the dude with headphones
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;W[fh]C[Dr4conian [4d?\]: ali?
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;B[fi]C[evanj [2d\]: yes
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;W[gi]
;B[fj]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Ali's the dude
AhSayuni [4d\]: not easy for w
AhSayuni [4d\]: but not simple for b either
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;W[hg]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[ab]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: h13 the right is big and senteish but top can also be difficult
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;W[af]
;B[ag]
;W[ah]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: a17
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;B[bj]
;W[ae]
;B[ac]C[cugel20k [5d\]: b19
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;W[ag]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe a17 is a stupid move for w, now that I think about it...
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;B[no]
;W[mq]
;B[gj]
;W[hi]
;B[jc]
;W[qf]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: nice of you to make it from Ali's perspective EuroGoTV2...
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;B[kq]C[evanj [2d\]: artem's game is still on move 6 :D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: I'm smitting next left to hi
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ..him
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Pal is a thinking player
MotoRossi [4k\]: wats nickname of Ali at KGS?
evanj [2d\]: oohaah
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;W[lq]
;B[kp]
;W[mo]
;B[lo]C[fbp [6d\]: strong move
iLMM [-\]: Pal is a thinking player?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he thinks a lot
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: slow player
maminti [5k\]: slow just in the begining
maminti [5k\]: but after
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes, he plays fast in byo-yomi :-)
maminti [5k\]: yep
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;W[np]C[fbp [6d\]: w plan on giving ponnuki?
fbp [6d\]: seems only option
fbp [6d\]: but b is good
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;B[mn]
;W[oo]
;B[on]
;W[nn]
;B[nm]C[chiichan64 [4d\]: 0.o
fbp [6d\]: oh
fbp [6d\]: nice
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;W[no]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: :D
iLMM [-\]: not only in byo-yomi: http://picasaweb.google.com/fisz9p/WAGC2#5207617254066529554
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;B[om]C[evanj [2d\]: other game still on move 6......
AhSayuni [4d\]: so.. did Ali win all his games up to now?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ali has 2 of 3 winnings
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;W[cj]
;B[ck]
;W[dj]
;B[bl]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: who did he lose to?
fbp [6d\]: this doesn't seem to  be a very nice plan by w
AhSayuni [4d\]: it's not That bad I think
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ali lost in 1st round to Lucian Corlan (5d - Romania)
AhSayuni [4d\]: :O
Rakuen [7d\]: oh ali was playing
Rakuen [7d\]: i didnt know
AhSayuni [4d\]: should've been an easy win!
AhSayuni [4d\]: hey Gabriel
Rakuen [7d\]: A13? ???
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: than won to a 3d from Romania in 2nd Round
AhSayuni [4d\]: I should've beaten Lucian 2 years ago
leachy [5k\]: has artem lost yet?
Rakuen [7d\]: a13 is so weird
Rakuen [7d\]: why did ali play there
AhSayuni [4d\]: hmm
AhSayuni [4d\]: to lure b into playing c12
AhSayuni [4d\]: ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Artem and Pal have maximum 3 winnings
sameasyou [2d\]: go Pal!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Time already used: Csaba 4 min, Ali 25 min
Desperis [3k\]: go Csaba!
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;W[hj]C[donGoku [4k\]: who won the csaba-pal battle?
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;B[hk]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Pal I guess
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Pal won
evanj [2d\]: csaba died of old age
Rakuen [7d\]: yikes that push was weird
donGoku [4k\]: thx
Rakuen [7d\]: Ali has a really difficult game
]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]
;W[ik]C[fbp [6d\]: kind of over
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;B[hl]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: he has a plan!
fbp [6d\]: w only helping black here
AhSayuni [4d\]: no worries
Rakuen [7d\]: these exchanges look really bad
Rakuen [7d\]: b is ready to sacrifice E12 stones, they are not  so valuable
fbp [6d\]: nothing could make black happier :)
Desperis [3k\]: exchanges bad for whom?
evanj [2d\]: for w
Rakuen [7d\]: white is adding stones that dont do as much as black stones
Spelunky [1k?\]: words of wisdom
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;W[dq]
;B[ep]C[Rakuen [7d\]: too late now
evanj [2d\]: invasion was too late?
Rakuen [7d\]: i cant imagine what could w accomplish with d3
evanj [2d\]: take the corner?
Rakuen [7d\]: how
evanj [2d\]: don't ask me :D
evanj [2d\]: but ali played c3
]
;W[cq]
;B[dp]C[Rakuen [7d\]: b feeling goo
Rakuen [7d\]: good
AhSayuni [4d\]: ko, isn't it?
Rakuen [7d\]: by letting w ko
Rakuen [7d\]: but b could kill
gdfsgfdsg: hey which eurogotv is liselot?
evanj [2d\]: seems ko to me too
Rakuen [7d\]: black could have b4
evanj [2d\]: not sure w can afford a ko here, that's true
Rakuen [7d\]: he can
Rakuen [7d\]: its free
Rakuen [7d\]: he deserved death
AhSayuni [4d\]: the ko should be for later I guess
Rakuen [7d\]: mm id play it now
]
;W[bp]C[fbp [6d\]: b will not start it I think
AhSayuni [4d\]: considering a kill instead of a ko?
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: for the results from the previous rounds check out www.clubuldegoiasi.ro
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;B[br]C[fbp [6d\]: wow?
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;W[bq]
;B[es]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: thanks EGTV3
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;W[bs]C[fbp [6d\]: definetly weird if b can kill like this
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;B[cs]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: still have to wait for the after Round 3 standings
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;W[ar]
;B[as]
;W[er]
;B[fr]
;W[bs]
;B[db]
;W[cr]C[chiichan64 [4d\]: ...
fbp [6d\]: this was the point of a13:)
AhSayuni [4d\]: must sacrifice 5 stones to make this worth something
evand [7k\]: d12?
]
;B[il]C[evand [7k\]: c12 i mean
chiichan64 [4d\]: c12 for what?
fbp [6d\]: at least b got e11 in sente
evand [7k\]: to kill с16
chiichan64 [4d\]: ;))
evand [7k\]: ))
]
;W[qi]
;B[qk]
;W[ln]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: ugly move by b
]
;B[mm]
;W[kr]
;B[jr]
;W[lr]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Ali playing like Lee Changho :p
Rakuen [7d\]: i dont get d18
fbp [6d\]: obviously he misthought
fbp [6d\]: but L2 I don't like
Rakuen [7d\]: he passed
fbp [6d\]: well he get e11 
fbp [6d\]: so its not completely pass
]
;B[pc]C[fbp [6d\]: but l2 is really hard to understand
fbp [6d\]: not like B will play there soon
]
;W[qc]C[fbp [6d\]: so W can play it later
]
;B[oc]C[fbp [6d\]: now he got gote
Rakuen [7d\]: true, l2 was big but not urgent
Rakuen [7d\]: but it looks sente-ish
Rakuen [7d\]: k3 is big
fbp [6d\]: of course but ..
smallbears [2d\]: what was d18 ?
fbp [6d\]: p17 for w was also huge
smallbears [2d\]: can someone explain please?
Rakuen [7d\]: it was a mistake
fbp [6d\]: now even game?
fbp [6d\]: or w better?
smallbears [2d\]: how can you make this kind of mistake as a threat? strange
fbp [6d\]: normally in this position d18 is sente
fbp [6d\]: i mean after upperleft joseki
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;W[qb]C[fbp [6d\]: so he played it by instinct i guess
]
;B[od]
;W[pe]C[smallbears [2d\]: i see
smallbears [2d\]: so weak players have adcantages sometimes :)
smallbears [2d\]: *advantages
Rakuen [7d\]: weak who ?
smallbears [2d\]: me
Rakuen [7d\]: ah
]
;B[kn]C[Rakuen [7d\]: well like this
fbp [6d\]: b let lowerleft be ko and "passed" and game not over :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Time used: Csaba 13 min, Ali 41 min
Rakuen [7d\]: how is Q17 of any profit
Rakuen [7d\]: only heavy
Rakuen [7d\]: M17
fbp [6d\]: yes I think r17 is better than q17
fbp [6d\]: even if black defend one move at top no points cause of r18
AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe m16?
Rakuen [7d\]: m16 alows black m18
AhSayuni [4d\]: or n17
Rakuen [7d\]: invading at m17 is natural to me
Rakuen [7d\]: n17 allows the crosscut
fbp [6d\]: but not that big need of invade anyway
AhSayuni [4d\]: but n18 threatens connection
Rakuen [7d\]: looks like half baked result to me
fbp [6d\]: but i guess nowhere else to play
Rakuen [7d\]: M17 puts pressure on the black group as a whole
fbp [6d\]: white kind of want black to play m16 no?
]
;W[lc]
;B[md]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: to be honest, m17 was my first instinct too. I just wanted to suggest other options :p
fbp [6d\]: k16
]
;W[jd]
;B[ic]
;W[ld]
;B[le]C[fbp [6d\]: n17 possible?
Rakuen [7d\]: n17 feels only
Rakuen [7d\]: if w l15, black will n17
Rakuen [7d\]: unallowable
Rakuen [7d\]: better to play n17 even if everything dies
]
;W[ke]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: :p
]
;B[mc]C[Rakuen [7d\]: N17
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;W[lf]C[Rakuen [7d\]: b si good
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;B[me]
;W[lb]
;B[ng]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: good and dying!
chiichan64 [4d\]: n15 is bad?
]
;W[lg]C[chiichan64 [4d\]: i think m18 enough
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;B[pg]C[fbp [6d\]: no..
fbp [6d\]: m18 is disaster
fbp [6d\]: you give ponnuki for 5 points?
fbp [6d\]: in gote
chiichan64 [4d\]: ...
AhSayuni [4d\]: soon the p8 aji will come to life!
AhSayuni [4d\]: ?
]
;W[oh]C[fbp [6d\]: p8?
]
;B[nh]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Q8 I mean
fbp [6d\]: no aji there
]
;W[og]C[fbp [6d\]: white scores again
]
;B[of]
;W[oe]
;B[oi]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: se likes b
sentra [2d\]: ...
Lithium [?\]: n14
AhSayuni [4d\]: not good enough I think
AhSayuni [4d\]: if se is right
]
;W[ph]C[smallbears [2d\]: why w didnt pl14?y na
indianayk [4d\]: w hasn't gained here 
smallbears [2d\]: n14 i mean
chiichan64 [4d\]: not enough
]
;B[nf]C[Lithium [?\]: this is even worse
indianayk [4d\]: it's a sente as well
AhSayuni [4d\]: must cut?
kimlongVN [?\]: res
Lithium [?\]: not possible to cut now
]
;W[pf]C[Lithium [?\]: if white n14....30points in pocket
Lithium [?\]: this is over
AhSayuni [4d\]: why was the cut not possible?..
Lithium [?\]: u mean O10?
Lithium [?\]: O11
AhSayuni [4d\]: yeah
kimlongVN [?\]: no cut no sente
kimlongVN [?\]: how w can win
Lithium [?\]: because black can extand P10 and later atari R2 or ladder
indianayk [4d\]: b still has the exchange of e13 with a18. it's a huge advantage for b
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;B[mi]C[kimlongVN [?\]: i thing w should res
]
;W[id]
;B[hc]C[indianayk [4d\]: the only way  for w not to lose b18 group is to fight a ko. thus b must keep some huge ko threats
crxsi: shogi is better d-(-_-)-b
]
;W[hd]
;B[kb]C[Rakuen [7d\]: how indianayk
Rakuen [7d\]: im not sure what you mean, id understand more with as equence
indianayk [4d\]: b can start playing at c12 if b has a huge ko threat
]
;W[qj]C[Rakuen [7d\]: i see, not a very nice option because w can play E8
Rakuen [7d\]: butif w gets C6 or so and black get sstronger is a posibility, yes
Lithium [?\]: black would never play c12
]
;B[ei]
;W[ad]C[Rakuen [7d\]: dunno if never but..unlikely yes
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i'm quite sure now that he will
Lithium [?\]: different storz
Rakuen [7d\]: Q9 ?
]
;B[bo]C[Lithium [?\]: i think S9,because white cant hane Q9
cugel20k [5d\]: s9 looks bigger
]
;W[rk]
;B[ql]C[Rakuen [7d\]: jard to praise
Rakuen [7d\]: hard*
]
;W[jk]
;B[ki]
;W[ji]
;B[rj]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ali is in byo-yomi now
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;W[ds]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Csaba still has 23 more min
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;B[hr]
;W[fs]
;B[gr]
;W[rl]
;B[rm]
;W[ri]
;B[kh]
;W[kl]
;B[kj]
;W[jg]C[kimlongVN [?\]: w+res
]
;B[pi]
;W[qh]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: Ali needs a ko somewhere
]
;B[pj]
;W[gc]
;B[gb]
;W[aj]
;B[bk]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[rq]
;B[jh]
;W[ih]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: isn't Csaba in byo yomi too?
]
;B[ll]
;W[ao]
;B[bn]
;W[kk]C[fbp [6d\]: whitw win quite big
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no, Csaba still has 11 min
]
;B[km]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]C[Diletta [15k?\]: Ali is gnawing points.... 
]
;W[lp]
;B[ko]
;W[ne]C[maldia [5d?\]: this is going to be a nail biter
fbp [6d\]: why?
fbp [6d\]: white dont need komi
Lithium [?\]: haaa<
]
;B[mf]
;W[ka]C[Diletta [15k?\]: he is ahead now 
Diletta [15k?\]: :)
Diletta [15k?\]: yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
]
;B[ja]
;W[la]C[Lithium [?\]: black win
maldia [5d?\]: completely forgot about komi
Diletta [15k?\]: no W win
Lithium [?\]: maybe fbp doesnt see 3captured stones C10 :)
]
;B[kc]C[fbp [6d\]: i do and so?
]
;W[kd]C[Lithium [?\]: so how canu wirte white dont need komi???
maldia [5d?\]: w leads
fbp [6d\]: try counting Lithium -.-
]
;B[ha]C[Lithium [?\]: teach me and tell me how many points has white...
]
;W[pb]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: I'd trust se at this point
]
;B[kg]
;W[kf]
;B[jf]
;W[ig]C[Diletta [15k?\]: me too :D
maldia [5d?\]: ah let us invoke se
]
;B[he]
;W[ie]C[maldia [5d?\]: saying some really weird stuff about the O19 area
]
;B[ob]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe Csaba forgot a bit about a17 being dead and all
]
;W[lj]C[Diletta [15k?\]: :)
Lithium [?\]: SE hopeless, never trust
maldia [5d?\]: haha, so he thinks he leads big?
maldia [5d?\]: 40 points or so?
Diletta [15k?\]: nah
Diletta [15k?\]: not so big... but ahead
KinShou [4k?\]: maybe he just enjoys the game so he wants to finish it =O
AhSayuni [4d\]: don't be silly people.. se is showing his idea visually so you can see when it's inaccurate
Diletta [15k?\]: we already know that....but
Diletta [15k?\]: W is ahead
Diletta [15k?\]: 0.5 but ahead
maldia [5d?\]: bit more than 0.5
Lithium [?\]: maybe,but for sure white needs komi 
fbp [6d\]: you said b win
fbp [6d\]: dont try to change opinion now :)
Diletta [15k?\]: lol
Lithium [?\]: idont trz due,but u wrote what u wrote
]
;B[mj]C[Lithium [?\]: and fact is that black was leading almost for whole game
]
;W[jj]C[fbp [6d\]: no
]
;B[mh]C[fbp [6d\]: since d18 white was winning
fbp [6d\]: so w been winning for a bit more then 100 moves now
Lithium [?\]: at that point it became close,bur of course if black didnt play ko threat !
]
;W[jl]
;B[jm]C[Lithium [?\]: come on, at this level such move..it would be sad if white still losing..
AhSayuni [4d\]: is se still that stupid?..
]
;W[so]C[fbp [6d\]: what does that have to do with anything Lithium?
fbp [6d\]: White has been winning for the most part of the game
fbp [6d\]: that is a fact :)
Lithium [?\]: i said white was crushed,but because black didnt play ko threat,it became close game
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Csaba resigned
Diletta [15k?\]: siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ali won by resignation
Diletta [15k?\]: :)
fbp [6d\]: yes W+10 about
pancake [3d\]: congrats Ali :D
Diletta [15k?\]: yessssssssssssssssss
fbp [6d\]: so I stand correct
fbp [6d\]: white dont need the komi
Lithium [?\]: u believe so,but not coreect
AhSayuni [4d\]: :D
fbp [6d\]: want me to play it out lol?
maldia [5d?\]: it is about right
fbp [6d\]: ok i make demo in egr
maldia [5d?\]: my count is similar
pancake [3d\]: I counted w+komi, but he got 2 extra points
Lithium [?\]: u are too weak for that,sorry,but try :)
fbp [6d\]: im weak?
fbp [6d\]: you count more then 10 points wrong :)
fbp [6d\]: u seem very strong
Diletta [15k?\]: lol
banby [1d\]: ^^
pebarefoot [-\]: thx, everyone
tn4 [13k\]: is black winning
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