(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
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GN[Ing Memorial 2009]PW[Guo Juan]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[5p]BR[6d]DT[2009-02-27]CP[EuroGoTV]EV[Ing Memorial 2009]RO[2]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]SO[Amstelveen]AN[Steven Houbraken]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: GOOD DAY !
Shusai [7k?\]: hi
Mo [-\]: hi
Mo [-\]: how to win guo juan in the first round?
Korea4K [2d\]: conel won by resign i am not sure ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Pairing and results are online at: http://www.go-centre.nl/egcc/ING2009.htm 
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Cornel resignated
humanity [3k\]: one question
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: the big center dragon died
humanity [3k\]: who won the game?
Korea4K [2d\]: o
Mo [-\]: yes i saw it but why?
Batavia [4k?\]: ask guo juan to show the game during ing lecture on sunday if you want to know
Mo [-\]: okay
Mo [-\]: thanks
Korea4K [2d\]: center group dead
Korea4K [2d\]: i saw it
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;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pq]
;W[cp]
;B[eq]C[Reiter101 [-\]: e3 
Reiter101 [-\]: q5 
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;W[po]C[Pulcik [-\]: go Kumo go!
scurge [5d\]: Ondrej for the win!
Reiter101 [-\]: r5 
Batavia [4k?\]: O4
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;B[np]C[whatisgo [1d\]: R5 is boting
whatisgo [1d\]: boring
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;W[qq]
;B[qr]
;W[qp]
;B[or]
;W[ql]C[asdefasdef: did guo win cornel?
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;B[dn]C[whatisgo [1d\]: yes
Batavia [4k?\]: yes guo won
asdefasdef: a ty
whatisgo [1d\]: E4
Tenji [3k\]: taisha
Mokki [3d\]: not sure if w want to play taisha since black is strong in right
yamata [1d\]: if guo isnt going to avoid it ^
whatisgo [1d\]: no way 
Batavia [4k?\]: how can you expect good result if you cower away from fights
]
;W[do]C[yamata [1d\]: because the fight might be bad  in this situation 
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;B[eo]
;W[cn]
;B[dm]
;W[ep]
;B[fp]
;W[dp]C[Tenji [3k\]: is not this good for black?
scurge [5d\]: Is e4 joseki?
PlumeMoi [1d\]: e4 is not catholic
BigPlunder [2k\]: me dont like that
yamata [1d\]: wrong order ... maybe for some reason 
yamata [1d\]: ??
Shinichi56 [3d\]: weird
PlumeMoi [1d\]: c7
Lakotnik [6k\]: f3 any good?
Chilltime [5k\]: f5
Denniskutl [1d\]: who won the cornel-guo juan game?
PlumeMoi [1d\]: me
glimz [-\]: guo won
Novalys [5k\]: f5?
Denniskutl [1d\]: dıd she kılled the center??
PlumeMoi [1d\]: guo and mer
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: she killed the center
glimz [-\]: she killed something, I don't know what as bcast ended
glimz [-\]: ah, thx ^^
BigPlunder [2k\]: i hope, we can find the hole game later
glimz [-\]: they, I think they only play go
Denniskutl [1d\]: ahh cornel, it must be soo sad for him to lose a game with a start by sensational killing
EuroGoTV3 [-\]: ^^
PlumeMoi [1d\]: ondej=.?.
scurge [5d\]: seemss like E4 doesnt exist with the C6 push
PlumeMoi [1d\]: a joseki is born today!
Shanti [-\]: I think ondrej is a czech player
Shanti [-\]: not sure
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;B[fo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
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;W[cm]
;B[dl]
;W[fq]
;B[er]C[Novalys [5k\]: Guo juan slams the stones heavily ^^
Denniskutl [1d\]: unxpected move
Lakotnik [6k\]: ever broke one?
gepay [2k\]: she does like the cut
Byoku: i once broke one :D
Lakotnik [6k\]: :)
Byoku: clacc---crrshshshshshshshh and it was a goner, poor stone :( ^^
Denniskutl [1d\]: g3 kills?
Mokki [3d\]: a so called splitting move
Tiny81 [6k\]: @Byoku: but not while playing? did you?
Byoku: served as a good trick stone though, cause if you stuck it back together you couldnt see all the rips ^^
Kirdie [3k\]: white can catch with f2 now?
Byoku: Tiny, something like that though ;)
Tiny81 [6k\]: lol
Denniskutl [1d\]: g3 b3 i think
PocketAji [5k\]: it hink there's a corner living sequence
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;W[fr]C[Byoku: i think b just misread ^^
glimz [-\]: B read a lot
BigPlunder [2k\]: g3
baboyo [4d\]: reading a lot doesnt neccessarily prevent mistakes
PocketAji [5k\]: I think C2 is the next move here
rtyhdr: c2 c3 d2 b2 
Tiny81 [6k\]: otherwise E2 was wasting
PlumeMoi [1d\]: b3 
PlumeMoi [1d\]: or g3 
PlumeMoi [1d\]: b3 if w had  g3
PocketAji [5k\]: B3 doesn't seem to do anything
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;B[cr]C[PocketAji [5k\]: hah called it
Denniskutl [1d\]: w must h3 now
PlumeMoi [1d\]: what does prevent mistake baboyo?
Maroncsan [?\]: wow
gnorf [4k\]: c2, c3, d2, b2 and g3 kill with one more liberty, that's the defense corner lecture, then w will escpae first with move like h3 and black try to live with b3
PocketAji [5k\]: yeah I guess there really was no corner sequence
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;W[cq]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: this is a big loss for white of b lives
rtyhdr: ;)
PocketAji [5k\]: b must've misread
ttonndaa [4k\]: why do you think so?
rtyhdr: its just the only move for white
PocketAji [5k\]: well b doesn't get a great result does he?
rtyhdr: if he kills white
Blackthorn [6k\]: now black will sac the three and gain thickness
rtyhdr: its awesome
BigPlunder [2k\]: :-)
Blackthorn [6k\]: its not so big a loss
ttonndaa [4k\]: if b lives then good result
Denniskutl [1d\]: b can always escape by g3 but what if b h3
rtyhdr: h3 h2 
ttonndaa [4k\]: H3 H2 J2?
PocketAji [5k\]: H3 would be a decent idea, but met with H2 probably
rtyhdr: g3 
Byoku: guys.... d2 h3 b3 b1 .....
rtyhdr: j2 not good
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;B[hq]C[Shanti [-\]: D2 was just fine wasnt it ? 
PocketAji [5k\]: hm if w responds to H3 with H2 I think he's one liberty short
Byoku: shanti: read what i wrote ^^
rtyhdr: D2 and white might run
Chilltime [5k\]: d2?
ttonndaa [4k\]: b just to make territory in sente?
rtyhdr: having made blacks shape weak
Shanti [-\]: mmh
Chilltime [5k\]: isnt d2 working?
Chilltime [5k\]: for white?
Shinichi56 [3d\]: course
Shanti [-\]: not sure but B3 looks wrong
PocketAji [5k\]: w has to D2
rtyhdr: d2 h3 
Blackthorn [6k\]: black make big thickness works well mwith o4
Shanti [-\]: well anyway they didn't play it, they might have read better than me =D
Byoku: shanti: it is wrong but all other vars fail too for black
Shanti [-\]: yes yes
Chilltime [5k\]: oh
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;W[hr]C[PocketAji [5k\]: wow didn't see w could do that
Shinichi56 [3d\]: ^^
Maroncsan [?\]: oh..e1?
yamata [1d\]: e1 ... j3
PocketAji [5k\]: doesn't J2 kill w?
Byoku: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat why did i click and try to go to another camera? now i cannot load anything cause the server is too sloooow -.-
Maroncsan [?\]: b lives
CGBSpender [-\]: pocketaji, no, because of D2
rtyhdr: j2 is lol
PocketAji [5k\]: hm well, thickness still ok for b
PocketAji [5k\]: w can't save both H2 and F2 right?
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;B[es]C[yamata [1d\]: of course she can
rtyhdr: e1 first real surprise here and it get called :\]
rtyhdr: *got
PocketAji [5k\]: I would've captured at D2 in an instant
Maroncsan [?\]: :)
glimz [-\]: what?
Chilltime [5k\]: xD
LionelLee [9k\]: lol??
yamata [1d\]: ??
glimz [-\]: undo!? XD
PocketAji [5k\]: they took the stones off the board!!
Chilltime [5k\]: missclick of ondrej ;-)
Korea4K [2d\]: ^6
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: pal balogh wanted to see the previous moves :)
Blackthorn [6k\]: b2 lives in the corner
Chilltime [5k\]: b3 is better to make live isnt it?
Novalys [5k\]: j3
PocketAji [5k\]: I don't see what w can do here honestly
Korea4K [2d\]: ^^b anyway alive
hulken [2d\]: if b3 then w can takeaway one eye with b2
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;W[iq]C[Chilltime [5k\]: true
liusasori [1d\]: and what happen if w d2 ?
Denniskutl [1d\]: b b2 and w c8
Pepin [6k?\]: if b3, white can connect all stones with D2 
Blackthorn [6k\]: d2 dextra lib on f1?
Pepin [6k?\]: thus letting black worry about his group in the corner
Korea4K [2d\]: b2 senter
Pepin [6k?\]: and having opportinities to break on bottom
Korea4K [2d\]: sente
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;B[br]C[Tiny81 [6k\]: w d2 -> b d3
liusasori [1d\]: before b2
Blackthorn [6k\]: almost resignable for W now
liusasori [1d\]: d2 d3 b2 
Denniskutl [1d\]: hehe
sentience [-\]: lol
Blackthorn [6k\]: b2 in sente is painful
kuy30 [1d\]: w h4 -> b c8 ?
rtyhdr: kibitz noob
rtyhdr: to fast
Blackthorn [6k\]: like a hot needle in the eye
Maroncsan [?\]: resignable? :D
rtyhdr: wait a min before u say res
PocketAji [5k\]: all this is so low, makes me nauxious
glimz [-\]: resignable? B will win, sure, but not resignable yet ^^
glimz [-\]: :P
Blackthorn [6k\]: i said
Blackthorn [6k\]: ALMOST resignable
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: h4 ponuki 30 points ^^
ttonndaa [4k\]: :D
kuy30 [1d\]: c8 is bif too
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;W[bq]C[kuy30 [1d\]: big*
Blackthorn [6k\]: now a3?
Blackthorn [6k\]: also sente?
rtyhdr: a3..
rtyhdr: so bad
Blackthorn [6k\]: a3 a4 a2 white must connect?
Denniskutl [1d\]: a3 a2 d3 d2 c1 b dies
yamata [1d\]: a3 a2 maybe
CGBSpender [-\]: likely
liusasori [1d\]: a3 a2 a1 d3 d2 c1 
kuy30 [1d\]: now b h4 ?
Blackthorn [6k\]: ah
sentience [-\]: w wouldn't have to connect becoz of d3 lib, assumin b played a3
iamaarcher [12k?\]: they sure take thier time.
ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: archer as in the sport, or the distribution?
Blackthorn [6k\]: it looks like black stll needs to live in the corner then
Denniskutl [1d\]: b b5 first then a2
Denniskutl [1d\]: or just a2 is good
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;B[ar]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: so a2 is gote but gives black c8 in sente?
Blackthorn [6k\]: unles white pushes out now
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;W[bk]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: yep
Blackthorn [6k\]: there he goes
CGBSpender [-\]: why is it 72 minutes ? and not 70 or 75 ?
CGBSpender [-\]: or anything else
glimz [-\]: b9 pro enough ^^
AntiAdmin [1d?\]: she
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ING ruling
Blackthorn [6k\]: 72 is a good and lucky number
CGBSpender [-\]: with the ING rules, time has to be 72 minutes ?
kuy30 [1d\]: lucky for who?
Blackthorn [6k\]: for people who like to divide by nine
Jonka [7k\]: how much is byoyomi?
twintom [5k\]: does anybody know if Guo Juan won against Cornel last game?
Lakotnik [6k\]: 72 sec
Maroncsan [?\]: yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 3x12 minutes 
glimz [-\]: she did, twintom
twintom [5k\]: wow
twintom [5k\]: thx
PocketAji [5k\]: seriously, that's a lot of time for buyo yomi
Denniskutl [1d\]: indeed wow
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: each byo yomi is absolute and costs 2 points
milena [6k\]: what is black move now?
PocketAji [5k\]: aah hence
milena [6k\]: can live at corner without move?
rtyhdr: no real wow, the more stones on the board the bigger advantage for the pro
glimz [-\]: cornel had totally won though
twintom [5k\]: what?
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;B[hp]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: i cant tell of the area around g2 is urgent or not
twintom [5k\]: i u trying to be funny glmz
glimz [-\]: twintom: he lost a won game I mean
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;W[fs]
;B[dq]
;W[jr]
;B[di]C[twintom [5k\]: ic
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;W[dj]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: a3 is sente for W now
Blackthorn [6k\]: save for ko threat i guess
twintom [5k\]: i did not see the end
rtyhdr: a3 ignore and then?
Blackthorn [6k\]: oh wait
Blackthorn [6k\]: nm
Blackthorn [6k\]: i misread
rtyhdr: white is realy playing cut first think later
huggy [3k\]: pros never think
]
;B[cj]C[b112288: i dont understand d10
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;W[ck]
;B[dk]
;W[ej]
;B[ci]C[huggy [3k\]: that is because they cant read
milena [6k\]: pros ever think
Blackthorn [6k\]: i predict we wont see a move on yhe bottom for quite a while now
rtyhdr: its alive
rtyhdr: so ofcourse
b112288: are you sure it's alive? what about b5?
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;W[bo]C[rtyhdr: wondering about that, but simply looks alive :\]
rtyhdr: oh wow
Kirdie [3k\]: ^^
rtyhdr: bad cut then
Blackthorn [6k\]: man
Blackthorn [6k\]: b5 is another scrubby move
Blackthorn [6k\]: white is just getting tortured
sentience [-\]: lol
rtyhdr: lol at the 6k
Maroncsan [?\]: b is nice
Blackthorn [6k\]: look how many stones white has locked up
rtyhdr: if white didn't have to play B5
Blackthorn [6k\]: ghe has more stones
rtyhdr: i like white
Blackthorn [6k\]: that will never influence the game again
Blackthorn [6k\]: than he does other stones
fokschaap [1k\]: that's probably why she cut :/
PlumeMoi [1d\]: who lead?
fokschaap [1k\]: a lot of aji in those stones
rtyhdr: those stones saparate the 2 black groups
rtyhdr: both not alive
rtyhdr: they are perfect, only abit slow with b5
fokschaap [1k\]: jup
Blackthorn [6k\]: c14 
milena [6k\]: f12?
fokschaap [1k\]: f11
Novalys [5k\]: c14
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;B[cf]C[Iceraptor [8k\]: maybe f7??
Novalys [5k\]: :)
]
;W[fk]C[BVL2: yes, now
]
;B[fm]C[Blackthorn [6k\]: black should make shape
Blackthorn [6k\]: yeah
Blackthorn [6k\]: now white is in trouble
Blackthorn [6k\]: black pretty much alive everywhere
Blackthorn [6k\]: and he heavily outnumbers white
Novalys [5k\]: but black is a killer :)
rtyhdr: u keep surprising me
]
;W[ce]
;B[df]
;W[fd]C[Destroyed [3d\]: w is pretty fine i think
testgamer: I like white better here
Matze [2d\]: whats the time?
badgo [13k\]: lemme get this straight, 5p v. 6d ameteur ?
badgo [13k\]: any handi ?
ttonndaa [4k\]: b not just 6d
twintom [5k\]: hm amateur is former insei
Maroncsan [?\]: yes as u can say 6 stone handicap
ttonndaa [4k\]: he's one of the strongest amateurs on the world
Maroncsan [?\]: *see
Jonka [7k\]: but Guo is like 7d EGF
]
;B[gg]C[rtyhdr: lol
rtyhdr: hes not
Maroncsan [?\]: maybe in europe :)
Destroyed [3d\]: black one of the best in europe
Novalys [5k\]: Good to have G13
Novalys [5k\]: Prevents white's attack
Jonka [7k\]: best nonasian player in world championship..
twintom [5k\]: but right now w makes points and b nothing
milena [6k\]: strong than cpop?
Destroyed [3d\]: ing site doent work
Novalys [5k\]: In both games there is unsettled shape like this ^^
Destroyed [3d\]: what did catalin  do first round?
Iceraptor [8k\]: White's E10 group still unstable
Destroyed [3d\]: and dichnerstein?
ttonndaa [4k\]: both win destroyed
Destroyed [3d\]: thanks
milena [6k\]: h9
Destroyed [3d\]: and mero csaba won fun hui?!
ttonndaa [4k\]: no
Destroyed [3d\]: aah
ttonndaa [4k\]: hui won I think
Destroyed [3d\]: stupid me
Destroyed [3d\]:  they play now
ttonndaa [4k\]: :D
Destroyed [3d\]: though it was 1st round pairing
ttonndaa [4k\]: see this: http://www.go-centre.nl/egcc/ING2009.htm
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;W[ei]
(;B[ig])
(;B[eg]C[ttonndaa [4k\]: :D
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;W[ff]
;B[fg]
;W[hk]
;B[kq]
;W[ip]
;B[io]
;W[jo]
;B[jn]C[Novalys [5k\]: i can't see the video : /
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;W[ih]C[freegame [-\]: video works again
LeT63 [-\]: kill bottom
Novalys [5k\]: H5 makes bottom alive doesn't it ?
Novalys [5k\]: so no hurry
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;B[ge]
;W[if]
;B[gd]C[ebola: the pairings dont load
Cyphis [3k\]: w is not having a hard game
falfan1 [5k\]: waaaaaaa
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;W[fc]C[Cyphis [3k\]: huh?
]
;B[gc]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: connection problems again :(
Cyphis [3k\]: oh
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;W[fb]C[altman: can anyone tell me how guo juan won the last game?cornel became greedy, right?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he lost the center group
]
;B[cc]C[spider451 [3k\]: where can u see the game?
altman: can i see the game somewhere? (the endgame)?
altman: for me center seemed alive :)
]
;W[cd]C[Airi [3d\]: whose center?
altman: cornels
Cyphis [3k\]: Cornel's center.
altman: sorry different game
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: endgame isnt recorded, internet was down
altman: :( thx anyway eurogo ^
spider451 [3k\]: will sgf be avalible?
altman: i hope :)
]
;B[ko]
;W[ho]
;B[in]
;W[gp]
;B[hn]C[altman: pros are pretty good with corners :)
Cyphis [3k\]: lol yes pros...
Cyphis [3k\]: they are rediculous...
spider451 [3k\]: corners can be intensivly be studdied
royalty [3d\]: and sum are good with center
Cyphis [3k\]: Yet, others are good with sides!
Cyphis [3k\]: I would venture to say they're all very good with corners, sides, and center. =)
glint [-\]: can we talk about the game?
altman: why thinking here? :)
BVL2: it is small
Cyphis [3k\]: Maybe EuroGoTV2 lags again?
altman: small?
twintom [5k\]: looks for sente move
falfan1 [5k\]: no, she is realy thinking
KintaroOe [3k\]: about where a sente move might be
falfan1 [5k\]: in the back he is breakfast?
glint [-\]: W doesn't want to give up k5 stone?
altman: i would nottenuki here ^
bobstep [8k\]: considering tenuki?
Novalys [5k\]: if sente move against top maybe
Novalys [5k\]: :x
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;W[jk]
;B[go]C[altman: uf
glint [-\]: hehe
]
;W[gq]C[altman: guo again like to ply with fire
Thew [5k\]: did black even look at what move white played? xD
KintaroOe [3k\]: hm?
Lakotnik [6k\]: where did w play mv 80?
falfan1 [5k\]: waaa down again?
spider451 [3k\]: lol
KintaroOe [3k\]: k9
Lakotnik [6k\]: tnx kintaro
EmincanY53 [2k\]: k3 now
KintaroOe [3k\]: np
Novalys [5k\]: k3 take
altman: k9 honte? or more? :D
Novalys [5k\]: It doesn't work
EmincanY53 [2k\]: hmm or l2
EmincanY53 [2k\]: l2 better k3
Novalys [5k\]: L2 is the same, white takes the stones
Novalys [5k\]: black has to H4
Novalys [5k\]: And then w lives
KintaroOe [3k\]: it sounds like an OR on the vieo feed O_o  so many beeps
Dissi [1k\]: w is alive
Vogel [1k\]: wow 
Vogel [1k\]: guo playing!
altman: b schould support his top
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;B[bc]C[Thew [5k\]: or make a ko
altman: or live in sente
Novalys [5k\]: lol
Novalys [5k\]: or kill everything in sente
Novalys [5k\]: better
Thew [5k\]: why in sente?
Novalys [5k\]: because sometimes you can kill gote
ebola: b lives
Novalys [5k\]: but you end up behind :)
Thew [5k\]: killing everything in gote is good enough
Novalys [5k\]: ah yeah i said everything
Novalys [5k\]: sorry ^^
Novalys [5k\]: I had forgotten :)
bobstep [8k\]: killing everything has to be gote
Thew [5k\]: *grin*
altman: c17 dead but lets b tenuki
altman: or?
dandalon [3k\]: i would not like that upper left i was white
dandalon [3k\]: if*
rovnew: gj must love it
rs220675 [2k\]: so far White seems behind...so a big move like at r14 would be crucial for White
Novalys [5k\]: but you cannot let it die
dandalon [3k\]: :>
altman: i dont count w behind
altman: schould i?
scurge [5d\]: How much time left?
scurge [5d\]: what about white hane B14?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w 18m   b 8m
Novalys [5k\]: Isn't b16 removing libs important ?
Novalys [5k\]: [could to kibitz Scurge, it's nice when dans help :p\]
]
;W[bd]C[Novalys [5k\]: cool*
bobstep [8k\]: b16 leads to ko I think
dandalon [3k\]: hane -> d18 lives, no?
Novalys [5k\]: Ah i was right \\o/
Novalys [5k\]: No ko black is dead
Novalys [5k\]: but w is gote : /
dandalon [3k\]: tenuki
Novalys [5k\]: r10
altman: why deep?
Novalys [5k\]: ah no sorry i had forgotten black wasn't alive T_T
Novalys [5k\]: What is deep ?
altman: r10
BVL2: s*** is deep
Novalys [5k\]: because of r6 later
]
;B[ic]C[Dissi [1k\]: right side looks interesting now
adr [1d\]: jeff
Saboteur [5k\]: r14?
adr [1d\]: so cute
altman: q14?
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;W[bf]
;B[bg]C[AntiAdmin [1d?\]: on voit ta tete alfred
]
;W[dc]
;B[af]
;W[be]
;B[qj]
;W[qf]C[Novalys [5k\]: ah R10 was played \\O/
chinatown [1k\]: what is the byo yomi?
]
;B[oj]
;W[of]C[spider451 [3k\]: w is ahead?
dandalon [3k\]: i think so
Novalys [5k\]: R6
killbill [1k\]: b in difficult
Novalys [5k\]: R3 might die
spider451 [3k\]: no way
Novalys [5k\]: When surrounded, if black R6 it gets har
dandalon [3k\]: i dont think r6 is a good idea now
arcades [2k\]: yes, black suddenly in deep trouble
Novalys [5k\]: hard
Attentat: who is the blond hair man who is retransmitting the moves on his lap top in the room?
Novalys [5k\]: but r10 and P10 will be useless if black doesn't attack
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black first byo yomi
dandalon [3k\]: not useless
Novalys [5k\]: in danger
Novalys [5k\]: If black spend a move on top, w can P8 or something
Vondel [2k\]: bioyomi is 12 minutes for 2 points ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yep
Vondel [2k\]: hmm
Vondel [2k\]: strange
Vondel [2k\]: :)
Attentat: guo is massaging her back
Vondel [2k\]: so 1 hr is nos strange
Attentat: she s sitting north of goban
Vondel [2k\]: do you get discounts for multiple buiyimi packages ;)
Attentat: she is wearing a apple green jacket
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 2 points per byo yomi
spider451 [3k\]: we can see ^^
Attentat: Ondrej is wearing a dark green  pull over
spider451 [3k\]: huh?
spider451 [3k\]: looks like a brown juper to me 
spider451 [3k\]: jumper
glimz [-\]: ondrej is in his usual attire
glimz [-\]: ^^
]
;B[mj]C[Cyphis [3k\]: n10... what?
Novalys [5k\]: well safer
spider451 [3k\]: o16 
altman: aggressiv :)
Cyphis [3k\]: i'm such a sdk to not see how it makes sense...
]
;W[ol]C[Attentat: not everyone can see,  im color blind that s why im playing go and not assembling puzzles
Novalys [5k\]: Protect \\o/
Attentat: :p
Violence [?\]: Good thing you aren't white black colorblind
veryweak [?\]: tripple atack)
altman: 1 hour ago my guest account was attentat, oO
kuy30 [1d\]: p8 was actualy made?
Novalys [5k\]: it was kinda forced now
]
;B[lf]C[scurge [5d\]: yes!
Novalys [5k\]: scurge lol
veryweak [?\]: OoO
Cyphis [3k\]: how can b just leave q16 like this...blows my mind
veryweak [?\]: lo
Novalys [5k\]: Q16 lives
]
;W[od]C[Novalys [5k\]: white cannot kill, just enclose it
Cyphis [3k\]: Hi, Eric ^_^
chinatown [1k\]: Cyphis Q16 lives anyway 
Cyphis [3k\]: oh ofc it lives
Cyphis [3k\]: but it just get's smooshed
altman: tenuki!
Novalys [5k\]: but it wasn't the priority, w gained too much if you leave R10 weak
adr [1d\]: jeff come back
Attentat: ondrej is almost lying on the table
]
;B[gi]C[Attentat: Guo is sipping water
dandalon [3k\]: hmn im a bit surprised by blacks moves.. he has to kill the center now to win this game, no?
altman: hehe good b^
adr [1d\]: quel etalon 
Attentat: scratching her head also
Attentat: is it a sign?
Novalys [5k\]: tenuki P16 brave >_<
LionelLee [9k\]: scratching her head is to throw the opponent offguard??
dandalon [3k\]: but maybe w can give up f9 and play sth like m12
Iceraptor [8k\]: Actually, D14 group still not that secure
]
;W[lh]C[dandalon [3k\]: yeah
]
;B[mh]C[dandalon [3k\]: ^^
kesoil [?\]: houston, we have a fight
altman: d14 so alive
Cyphis [3k\]: q16 omg!!
Novalys [5k\]: let's go for the war
]
;W[mg]C[marsman [1d\]: center more important
]
;B[lg]C[chinatown [1k\]: Cyphis again the center is way bigger
Novalys [5k\]: ^^
]
;W[li]
;B[mi]
;W[mf]
;B[lj]C[marsman [1d\]: uff
]
;W[kj]C[Cyphis [3k\]: Oh I would never argue that, clearly, but having corners molested like that just really freaks me out.
dandalon [3k\]: chicken
dandalon [3k\]: ^^
Cyphis [3k\]: =P
scurge [5d\]: L11 how about?
Novalys [5k\]: black has to make base or connect N10
Novalys [5k\]: but then m15 :s
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]C[dosendoc [12k\]: k15 ?
]
;B[kk]C[Iceraptor [8k\]: Can White cut the E13 group and G15 group?
Cyphis [3k\]: I was trying to read that... Looks tough being as w is under a pretty severe attack. 
]
;W[ji]C[altman: cant cut 
]
;B[kh]
;W[ki]C[Cyphis [3k\]: a splitting attack on m14 and j17 might do the trick
killbill [1k\]: mission impossible
]
;B[ld]C[Iceraptor [8k\]: ok. now its impossible
altman: it was always impooosible
Cyphis [3k\]: Nothing is impossible in go. There are always Ko's. ^^
altman: g14 dosnt cut
Violence [?\]: if with K15 it does
Violence [?\]: I think Guo Juan should play K15
Attentat: L 12 replace or L 11
Attentat: for??
carbon729 [3d\]: black has no territory...yet.....
altman: l15
Violence [?\]: why L15?
chinatown [1k\]: white has almost to points as well
Violence [?\]: I like K15 much more
Violence [?\]: white's leading on territory
chinatown [1k\]: for now
scurge [5d\]: K15 is only helping black no? K14 is more severe maybe
Violence [?\]: K15 aims at the M15 wedge and the G14 cut though
scurge [5d\]: hmm
]
;W[lk]C[glimz [-\]: how much periods have they bought; how much left?
Astarael [1d\]: w centre is really screwed up 
Cyphis [3k\]: semeai
spider451 [3k\]: cut still wouldnt work
Violence [?\]: why not, spider?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black in his first byo
altman: g14 f15 and no cut
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white 1 min main time left
glimz [-\]: thanks
Violence [?\]: with K15 there
scurge [5d\]: after K15 you just play L16
scurge [5d\]: and the group is alive
scurge [5d\]: (i mean the left part of the group)
dandalon [3k\]: g14 f15?
Violence [?\]: with K15, the cut works
dandalon [3k\]: ah no..
Violence [?\]: g14 f15 e15 
spider451 [3k\]: ahh yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: black second byo yomi now
scurge [5d\]: yes but after you live
]
;B[ml]C[dandalon [3k\]: yes violence youre right
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 4 points penalty
scurge [5d\]: throug the G9 aji
]
;W[kl]C[MatchFree [-\]: But Voilence.. cutiing two alive groups aint really working ;)
Violence [?\]: black does play L16, it's a bit tough
]
;B[ll]C[rovnew: 4 point penalty?
Cyphis [3k\]: lol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 2 points penalty with each byo yomi period
]
;W[id]C[rovnew: oh
Cyphis [3k\]: this also protects j15 cutting point
dandalon [3k\]: j16 helps g14 cut, too
altman: who cares about points if you want to kill almost all
Cyphis [3k\]: Better than k15. Same idea.
]
;B[jd]C[erikk [-\]: aiming at g14 cut?
spider451 [3k\]: now m15 doesnt work
]
;W[gf]C[Cyphis [3k\]: haha w is crazy
dandalon [3k\]: b10?
]
;B[fe]C[Cyphis [3k\]: I don't see this working
]
;W[ee]C[altman: the cut never worked
Violence [?\]: what'd you talking about?
Violence [?\]: err what're^
]
;B[ef]C[Violence [?\]: I thought we all agreed
]
;W[hf]C[spider451 [3k\]: it does!
Violence [?\]: the cut worked
MatchFree [-\]: lol
killbill [1k\]: b will break down at time
]
;B[gb]C[erikk [-\]: after J16
Cyphis [3k\]: the cut works, but the follow up is questionable
Cyphis [3k\]: haha
Violence [?\]: -_- the reading skills of KGS players...
rovnew: "never agree with violence" ;p
Violence [?\]: the C11 group isn't alive yet
spider451 [3k\]: yes
spider451 [3k\]: i was thinking abt that
erikk [-\]: D12
PrezZ [5k\]: monkeyjump a12?
MatchFree [-\]: but there seems 2 be a lot of aji in the corner
Airi [3d\]: violence u pro?
Iceraptor [8k\]: I don't think Black has 2 eyes at D14 group yet
Violence [?\]: Haha, no way.
Airi [3d\]: oh i thought because you seem so strong
Batavia [4k?\]: violence is a pro kibitzer
Cyphis [3k\]: Violence is better than 3d, Airi. =)
about6k [8k\]: w can b 12
Violence [?\]: I just talk too much
Violence [?\]: don't mind me
spider451 [3k\]: lol
dandalon [3k\]: ^^
marsman [1d\]: b resign soon ;-)
]
;W[db]C[FillC [10k\]: how would w kill D14?
chinatown [1k\]: Violence atleast ur a nice kibitzer ^^
rovnew: violence isn't bettercyphis and it;s never the anwser ;)
Cyphis [3k\]: way to be rude though, for no reason, Airi.
spider451 [3k\]: good question
rovnew: but he is 5d...
Airi [3d\]: ?
]
;B[fi]C[Violence [?\]: this is a weird way to live
altman: killing is a nice way to live^^
erikk [-\]: iams at g9
Violence [?\]: D12?
altman: but i doubt he can :(
erikk [-\]: aims*
chinatown [1k\]: well i don't see any eyes for white yet
chrpa [1d\]: g9 vuz
erikk [-\]: d12 nolonger works
spider451 [3k\]: risky
Iceraptor [8k\]: so who has more liberties?
marsman [1d\]: J8 ?
Iceraptor [8k\]: since both sides have no eyes yet?
]
;W[je]C[bloa [12k\]: how is the white k11 group goin to live?
Cyphis [3k\]: I would think w has + libs
Violence [?\]: good questions, bloa.
]
;B[kd]C[Violence [?\]: err question
scurge [5d\]: so it lived through the G9 weekness :P
guerecon [2k\]: K15 :-)
PrezZ [5k\]: l14?
MatchFree [-\]: l14 l15 
Violence [?\]: Yeah
]
;W[mc]C[Sbetsho [6k\]: 6d vs. 5p? isn't that a bit unlevel match?
spider451 [3k\]: she going to kill all!
Violence [?\]: now the situation has been reversed, white's in a pretty tough position
MilanChe [-\]: lol
Violence [?\]: sbetsho, since when do pro ranks indicate strength level?
]
;B[ij]C[Sbetsho [6k\]: more or less
Q161 [16k\]: violenec, what do they indicate?
Q161 [16k\]: violence*
Violence [?\]: the fact that someone is a professional Go player
PlumeMoi [1d\]: the money they win
Cyphis [3k\]: Look it up on sensei's, q161
PlumeMoi [1d\]: l18
altman: still crying because of q16 cyphis??? :)
jungle [1d\]: where is b's territory
Airi [3d\]: it indicates she is strong
Iceraptor [8k\]: Huh. What is Black thinking with that move?
dandalon [3k\]: lol altman
Cyphis [3k\]: haha altman, it's only getting worse
dandalon [3k\]: bs territory could be the whole center
Batavia [4k?\]: they do indicate strenght lvl at one point since they are rewarded based on, in part, performance
Cyphis [3k\]: It makes me cringe every time b plays anywhere other than in that corner =)
carbon729 [3d\]: a retired 5p won't be much stronger than an ama 6d....
]
;W[kb]C[dosendoc [12k\]: I think this move was to prevent white h11, which would make good eye shape, just a guess though
spider451 [3k\]: tenuki!!!!
killbill [1k\]: good move, and complcate the game
jungle [1d\]: she is actually way stronger
Iceraptor [8k\]: Well, White is trying to destroy Black's top =)
copyright [2d\]: and game 
altman: i bet if Guo Juan would have played n10 w would be dead allready
fokschaap [1k\]: guo's about 6d in strength i think
spider451 [3k\]: game over
altman: guo is NOT 6dan
Ijuset [3k\]: is Guo Juan retired?
fokschaap [1k\]: dunno actually :/ 
Salamigo [10k\]: more or less
glimz [-\]: she's not competing pro
fokschaap [1k\]: maybe not officially, but she's been out of the pro circiut for a while
Ijuset [3k\]: in leagues you say
ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: she's not playing the games of her pro association, afaik
carbon729 [3d\]: she doesn't participate in any pro league now....
]
;B[jb]C[erikk [-\]: she is a teacher
Cyphis [3k\]: I'm sure there is some database that will tell you all about Guo Juan.
altman: carbon: in europe we dont have a pro league :)
gentil [6d\]: black is student from scurge
glint [-\]: <- look a game
gentil [6d\]: that's why he is not bad
carbon729 [3d\]: yes, which means shi is retired....
Ijuset [3k\]: yes but not being participating doesnt mean you are 6d ama strength
jungle [1d\]: scurge?
gentil [6d\]: yes
]
;W[kf]C[jungle [1d\]: are you kidding
gentil [6d\]: no, ask them
altman: b dead game over
]
;B[kg]C[Chilltime [5k\]: m5?
Chilltime [5k\]: m15?
Shiruko [9k\]: no
PlumeMoi [1d\]: sure
Gikku [7k\]: where can i see it on live ?
Chilltime [5k\]: oh no ^^
]
;W[kc]C[Iki [10k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&log=live2
Goreon [1d\]: h16 
Maroncsan [?\]: l17 k17 m15 l15 n15 
]
;B[jc]C[Gikku [7k\]: thanks!! ^^
prorok: Ondrej... enough!
ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: do feng yun, ming jiu, yilun yang play league games?
Cyphis [3k\]: Give me a user name ans pw, while you're at it, Iki ^^
Batavia [4k?\]: w h18?
Goreon [1d\]: well w has more libs it seems no?
EmincanY53 [2k\]: n16
yamata [1d\]: alien this is an european tournament ^^
jungle [1d\]: not even a question of libs
Goreon [1d\]: maybe
scurge [5d\]: time please
]
;W[hb]C[ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: i know, yamada, but what does it have to do with my question? ^^
gentil [6d\]: scurge, worried about your student ? :)
Cyphis [3k\]: gg
Batavia [4k?\]: yay
Violence [?\]: I don't think black can win this race
scurge [5d\]: a little but i believe he has a tesuji
altman: b is in his 10th byomi means -40 points?
dandalon [3k\]: was j10 really neccecary?
MilanChe [-\]: severe attack
Iceraptor [8k\]: Really can't see how black can make even 1 eye
suguar [?\]: game over !
carbon729 [3d\]: a retired 5p is stronger than an ama 6d usually
Cyphis [3k\]: would be very nice if w could take j9 first, too =P
chinatown [1k\]: black i think has a nice way with n16 no?
altman: no attack , a clean kill
glint [-\]: ALieNSHiPS, why are you even asking about this in a game we are trying to watch and comment on?
Goreon [1d\]: over
glimz [-\]: well B not just some 6d ama, he has beaten pros
Cyphis [3k\]: I would guess so too carbon, but I'm sure it isn't all that uncommon
yamata [1d\]: i dont think guo is as strong as she was when she got 5p
jeffywhite [3k\]: hey
jeffywhite [3k\]: she is winning isnt she
bloa [12k\]: will there be a discussion once the game is over?
altman: i wanna discuss cornels game!!!
ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: glint, the question was aked and answered for Guo Juan. Asking the same about other asian born pros teaching in western countries doesn t seem too far fetched
carbon729 [3d\]: of course she is not that strong as when she was 5p....but.....a weak 5p is stronger anyway than an ama 6d
wesley [10k\]: h19
Nefri89 [7k\]: I heard that many newcommers, even around 6 dans, can be very very strong
yamata [1d\]: yes of course she is carbon
PocketAji [5k\]: is K16 dead?
Kurtis [8k\]: no
about6k [8k\]: pal balogh very strong 6d
jungle [1d\]: yes
Kurtis [8k\]: i dont think so
ShikiChan [7k\]: yes it is
glint [-\]: *sigh*
yamata [1d\]: 6d is 6d 
scurge [5d\]: O15 comming soon
PocketAji [5k\]: I don't see a way to escape or live, not much aji in the corner
dandalon [3k\]: how could it possibly live?
carbon729 [3d\]: group b has less liberty
Ijuset [3k\]: ALieNSHiPS, as far as i know the pros living in US and Europe arent participating any leagues
carbon729 [3d\]: yes....most of them are teachers now
ShikiChan [7k\]: if w makes mistake then yea it lives haha, but i doubt it
carbon729 [3d\]: something like coaches in the football.....
wesley [10k\]: is there a way g17 j17 and m13 can live?
altman: ok game over bye all
NeoIGO [3k\]: anybody have link for tournament?
]
;B[le]C[chinatown [1k\]: http://eurogotv.com/ING2009/
NeoIGO [3k\]: thanks
sentience [-\]: so b goes for semeai
chinatown [1k\]: np^^
carbon729 [3d\]: maybe a football coach is not strong as when he was a player, but most of them are stronger than most of the ama players.....
yamata [1d\]: j15 
PocketAji [5k\]: hm don't see a way
PocketAji [5k\]: fan hui is watching right?
EmincanY53 [2k\]: k14
Cyphis [3k\]: Finally time to use q16?! hahaha
ALieNSHiPS [5k\]: thanks, ljuset
scurge [5d\]: what do you do after black O15?
wesley [10k\]: k14
about6k [8k\]: k14 only one eye
Robfripp [1d\]: aim at O15 ...
Violence [?\]: I want to play N16 righ tnow
copyright [2d\]: n16 
marsman [1d\]: N16 takes a lib
Ijuset [3k\]: Me too. I like W's shape after N16
dandalon [3k\]: j9 makes some libs
copyright [2d\]: g19 
wesley [10k\]: n16 and let it live
yamata [1d\]: h17 
PocketAji [5k\]: four points penalty!!!
overplay7 [5d\]: o15 o16 n15 q13
Dissi [1k\]: j15 mb
Novalys [5k\]: k14
yamata [1d\]: wesley if l13 then l11 dies
]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]C[PocketAji [5k\]: oh god, living locally
dandalon [3k\]: probably better than j9 
Cyphis [3k\]: lol he's not living...
PocketAji [5k\]: guo juan i mean
dandalon [3k\]: shes not livin either
PocketAji [5k\]: how is she not?
whatisgo [1d\]: she is killing
marsman [1d\]: w has E12 ?
Goreon [1d\]: still running?
scurge [5d\]: w has a problem with G9
Robfripp [1d\]: b has F10
Cyphis [3k\]: one eye pocket....
PocketAji [5k\]: right
marsman [1d\]: after B J11 ,,,
Cyphis [3k\]: w must j11
TotoroShan [3d\]: o17 seems annoying for w
marsman [1d\]: i always thought J8 is nice for w
Novalys [5k\]: black looks like he's having headache coming xD
PocketAji [5k\]: weird capturing race
erikk [-\]: yes j8 defends g9 cut
about6k [8k\]: if b wins it will b epic
]
;W[gl]C[PocketAji [5k\]: nice fixing
Airi [3d\]: :O
inkipinki: your account name is epic
erikk [-\]: g19?
Cyphis [3k\]: uhh
Cyphis [3k\]: wow
Cyphis [3k\]: pros are so good =D
noi [7k?\]: once epic was a heroic word, now it is trivial
Dougie [6k\]: really ? :O
]
;B[ii]
;W[jh]C[NeoIGO [3k\]: next round is tomorrow?
wesley [10k\]: l6
PocketAji [5k\]: now I'm wondering who will win the capturing race
TotoroShan [3d\]: i wanna see o17
Ijuset [3k\]: yes 2 rounds x 3 days
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: last byo yomi for black
NeoIGO [3k\]: sweet
Goreon [1d\]: g8 was superstrong I think
Cyphis [3k\]: how long's byo yomi?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 12min
PocketAji [5k\]: six points penalty!!!
Cyphis [3k\]: so he has 12 min per move?
Utadaki [6k\]: byo yomi is limited !?
Airi [3d\]: that doesnt really matter when the other one dies
]
;B[ik]C[Airi [3d\]: small penalty
]
;W[il]C[FillC [10k\]: how does g8 work?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 12 min absolute
PocketAji [5k\]: lol I suppose so
Utadaki [6k\]: hum before penalty!
sentience [-\]: no, 12 mn sd
marsman [1d\]: e12 needed sooner or later
Dougie [6k\]: and the white ?
carbon729 [3d\]: you can buy byomi with your points...I think....
Utadaki [6k\]: ok
carbon729 [3d\]: but has a limit anyway
Goreon [1d\]: g8 keeps many libs in a nice way
Cyphis [3k\]: oh okay thanks
PocketAji [5k\]: it's like a rebuy when playing poker
wesley [10k\]: w need to kill m15
MatchFree [-\]: will the weekend tournament also follow the ing rules?
noi [7k?\]: buying ten more minutes at a cost of 25 points wouldn't be a great deal
PocketAji [5k\]: lol
FillC [10k\]: goreon : thx
erikk [-\]: o16 
Cyphis [3k\]: gives time to both players in a way, too.
Cyphis [3k\]: not a good deal
PocketAji [5k\]: there's no way b will have enough time
Goreon [1d\]: now b has no chance for semeai I think
Jenghis [2k\]: if you are going to lose the game on time it seems like it would be a great deal
PocketAji [5k\]: or liberties for that matter
arcades [2k\]: o17
artem92 [7d\]: O16 = game over
wuwei [5k\]: and you need time to decide if you're gonna buy time or not 
Cyphis [3k\]: True, PocketAji.
Cyphis [3k\]: lol wuwei
dandalon [3k\]: why artem?
artem92 [7d\]: w has no answer
domi999 [6k\]: did b start with handi?
Cyphis [3k\]: no domi
Maroncsan [?\]: d12
marsman [1d\]: O16 -> w E12
Cyphis [3k\]: look at the board
Novalys [5k\]: maybe w wouldn't have started a semeai if o16 lives
noi [7k?\]: jenghis, it's only a good deal if you feel remotely confident that the rabbit is still in your hat...
Maroncsan [?\]: e12
Goreon [1d\]: o16 o17 not ok?
domi999 [6k\]: did B start with handi?
Violence [?\]: o16 o17 o15 
Jenghis [2k\]: A guaranteed loss vs possibly losing noi?
carbon729 [3d\]: no....obviously this is not a handy game...
domi999 [6k\]: ok
domi999 [6k\]: thx
yamata [1d\]: j
noi [7k?\]: well, if it's hopeless, all the time in the world is of no help
retryyyyyy [9k\]: domi999, just click options> clone game and you can watch this game from the beginning
domi999 [6k\]: cool
Sirka [2k\]: The last game, with guo juan, who win ?
domi999 [6k\]: didnt know that
Cyphis [3k\]: last game was guo vs cornel, wasn't it? and guo won
Cyphis [3k\]: ??
Calwen72 [-\]: yes
Sirka [2k\]: guo won ?
Hernee [3d\]: Cornel won
whatisgo [1d\]: guo
Hernee [3d\]: Hmm?
dandalon [3k\]: -.-
Goreon [1d\]: cornel lost to gup
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: guo won
NeoIGO [3k\]: cornel eventually lost
gabs [1k\]: yep guo won
Cyphis [3k\]: I'm pretty sure cornel's big center group died
PocketAji [5k\]: he's really taking his time
glint [-\]: resultd here http://eurogotv.com/ING2009/
Cyphis [3k\]: Ty, Glint.
Hernee [3d\]: I thought guo simply resigned?
]
;B[fl]C[glint [-\]: thought wrong
gabs [1k\]: cornel resigned
]
;W[hc]
;B[hd]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[yithril [2d\]: yay ko
wuwei [5k\]: w is in control
retryyyyyy [9k\]: cornel won the 2nd round
henkdetank [1k\]: G19
Cyphis [3k\]: g19?
yithril [2d\]: do they have a website with the results?
Violence [?\]: Black will never win this ko...
wuwei [5k\]: d12
yamata [1d\]: e12 maybe?
Iceraptor [8k\]: I won't dare to play this ko
Attentat: ko battle starting
Batavia [4k?\]: k15
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;W[dh]C[Iceraptor [8k\]: It's too big
Airi [3d\]: w couldnt win without ko?
Cyphis [3k\]: it's w's ko
Cyphis [3k\]: w is fine with this
PocketAji [5k\]: yeah guo has many many treaths
gabs [1k\]: results : http://eurogotv.com/ING2009/
Pepin [6k?\]: D12 is not a ko threat, is a kill move 
wuwei [5k\]: res
Violence [?\]: no, it's a ko threat
hulken [2d\]: what if w just g19, then b k14, w j16 no ko
Cyphis [3k\]: it's threat
PocketAji [5k\]: D12 doesn't kill
PocketAji [5k\]: not remotely
noi [7k?\]: D12 is offer of both living
F00 [1d\]: lol?
inkipinki: b schould kill p14 :D
PocketAji [5k\]: D12 is offer of b dying
F00 [1d\]: b has to respond
Iceraptor [8k\]: I kills if B does not respond
PocketAji [5k\]: he should resign this ko is too one sided
wuwei [5k\]: by itself, d12 doesn't kill, obviously other moves will be necessary
Iceraptor [8k\]: *it
henkdetank [1k\]: actually, i think w g19 wouldnt work
prorok: d12 mistake
Airi [3d\]: lol
F00 [1d\]: b is doomed
prorok: b can cut e12
Cyphis [3k\]: they both have a crapton of threats
Novalys [5k\]: no he can't
Violence [?\]: you clearly understand Go, prorok
MilanChe [-\]: b is going to vanish from the board
prorok: of course he can
Violence [?\]: good job.
PocketAji [5k\]: atually go has two craptons
PocketAji [5k\]: *guo
Cyphis [3k\]: lol violence
Hernee [3d\]: F12
Airi [3d\]: w too weak to see e12
Hernee [3d\]: E12*
Violence [?\]: indeed
erikk [-\]: after b E12 w has a lot of ko threats
Violence [?\]: it's a very hard move to see
Iceraptor [8k\]: If black cuts at E12, then C11 group dies
erikk [-\]: no
Violence [?\]: give black a while longer, he'll find e12, maybe
mafutrct [1d\]: well c11 can conncet after e12
Jenghis [2k\]: you guys are mean : )
Maroncsan [?\]: how much time left?
Cyphis [3k\]: haha
erikk [-\]: e12 c12 b11 b12 a12
Cyphis [3k\]: b must be very low on time by now
YogSothoth [1k\]: I wonder what b is thinking
YogSothoth [1k\]: he can't ignore this
noi [7k?\]: about lunch
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;B[ch]
;W[id]
;B[oc]C[YogSothoth [1k\]: ok, so he was thinking that
mafutrct [1d\]: e12 c12 b11 b12 a12 b10 a11 a10 a13 a15 c13 ... or something
Batavia [4k?\]: a thoughtless response is just as bad as ignoring
scurge [5d\]: ho ho
Violence [?\]: N16?
Violence [?\]: err o16?
rs220675 [2k\]: why does black not resign?
Hernee [3d\]: ..?!?!?!
PocketAji [5k\]: he's stubborn
kishine305 [2k\]: g19?
scurge [5d\]: come on rs5846726 this game is not hopeless
Montchik [-\]: he cant find the button
PlumeMoi [1d\]: n16
Violence [?\]: wait a sec
MilanChe [-\]: b is crafty
henkdetank [1k\]: n16 terrible
Violence [?\]: if you just capture
Violence [?\]: can't you just E12 and kill black?
noi [7k?\]: as jenghis suggested, nobody ever won by resigning
rs220675 [2k\]: @scurge: really? I'd think it's over...this one black group is dead
arcades [2k\]: he enjoys playing pro's
Cyphis [3k\]: HEY
ChemBoy613 [1d\]: looks like it violence
PlumeMoi [1d\]: yes violence
Cyphis [3k\]: finally q16 is doing stuff!
badgo [13k\]: these games also a test of endurance sitting.
Violence [?\]: I would just count
Violence [?\]: worst case scenario
about6k [8k\]: ondrej is crowding the board
shika12 [-\]: yea
PlumeMoi [1d\]: w win by 1 or 2 libs violence
scurge [5d\]: Also in the last game Guo didnt resign even when it was totally over and in the end she won so...
kishine305 [2k\]: g19 and next is miai
Airi [3d\]: i say ignore
Violence [?\]: Worst case scenario is I like all of R14 to L18, but I still gain F11and G17 groups
Violence [?\]: err I lose all^
Batavia [4k?\]: so it was't totaly over
erikk [-\]: g19 o16 e12 s16
Hernee [3d\]: Di b resign?
YogSothoth [1k\]: It is a general rule that when kgs kibitzers are shouting resign, the player they say should resign wins the game eventually
Hernee [3d\]: Did*
Violence [?\]: And I think that's favorable for white
Violence [?\]: So I would G19 here
Cyphis [3k\]: w needs to respond
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;W[ga]C[Cyphis [3k\]: =O
Airi [3d\]: lol
PocketAji [5k\]: aah
Hernee [3d\]: ...?
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;B[nd]C[shika12 [-\]: nope
prorok: bad news :)))
kishine305 [2k\]: e12
shika12 [-\]: e12 now
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;W[eh]C[Cyphis [3k\]: now w dies?
Batavia [4k?\]: e12
Iki [10k\]: what's the black nationality ?
prorok: E12
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;B[rk]C[wuwei [5k\]: yes
mint [4d\]: nice exchange
dosendoc [12k\]: czech
Cyphis [3k\]: now they play quick
Airi [3d\]: se says w win
GocchiSama [2k\]: they are crazy
kishine305 [2k\]: r17
shika12 [-\]: they are go players
NeoIGO [3k\]: furikawari
henkdetank [1k\]: OMG
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;W[nk]C[Hernee [3d\]: G19 was worst mistake ever :P
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;B[mk]C[erikk [-\]: not s16??
Jenghis [2k\]: Lots of killing!  I love it 
shika12 [-\]: comes with the territory gocochi
PrezZ [5k\]: n16?
PocketAji [5k\]: b will probably lose on time
GocchiSama [2k\]: this is madness
kishine305 [2k\]: sumi ni tenokori
Violence [?\]: Since I think white has bought less periods than black
Violence [?\]: and has komi
Hernee [3d\]: W couldn't lose there, but b got huge amounts of compensation this way
Violence [?\]: I think the game is just too favorable for white
shika12 [-\]: madness is the best kind of insaneness
shika12 [-\]: yea
shika12 [-\]: white wins i think
inkipinki: + b 6 points penalty
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;W[rl]C[Uffie [3d\]: guo loves weird game
Hernee [3d\]: Just by answering the ko threat ...
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: w+time
Violence [?\]: haha
Airi [3d\]: ?
PocketAji [5k\]: seriously?
Violence [?\]: R17's still open anyways
Cyphis [3k\]: Thank you, EuroGoTV2.
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: white wins
Gikku [7k\]: lol xx
Cyphis [3k\]: gg
TotoroShan [3d\]: anyway, white's ahead
jungle [1d\]: LOL TIMED
Airi [3d\]: i thought he can buy time
kishine305 [2k\]: next w r17
tdbcd [4k\]: w won by 30pct
wesley [10k\]: is it not possible to get the time to count down here
inkipinki: and mayny thought here b schould h5 hours ago, lol :)
wesley [10k\]: so we can see the time without asking?
wesley [10k\]: i know it's over now
about6k [8k\]: b just messed up the board
Violence [?\]: That's not fair, black had connection issues. Laaag
wesley [10k\]: but, future?
Attentat: a11
PocketAji [5k\]: hehe funny
Attentat: monkey stuff
Airi [3d\]: it was possible to buy time?
inte [?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?IngTiming
erikk [-\]: connection issues??
Airi [3d\]: ;|
noi [7k?\]: lose indy 500 because had bad petrol... same as lag; get better connection keeps you in race
lkkj: black resigns
Attentat: tx
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