(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Kido Cup Semifinal]PW[Ondrej Silt]PB[Pal Balogh]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2009-10-04]EV[Kido Cup - http://www.kidocup.com/]RO[3]PC[Hamburg]US[Michael Goetze]
;B[pd]
;W[dd]
;B[pp]
;W[dp]C[crowis [6d?\]: Hi, everyone!
crowis [6d?\]: here's the game of Ondrej vs Pal.
Hoppi: Hi
ncast [11k?\]: hi
crowis [6d?\]: but why are they not playing?
ttonndaa [1d\]: pals counting the whole game
mgoetze [1k\]: pal has just been sitting there for 20 minutes
mgoetze [1k\]: looking at the board
mihi [4d\]: I remember that Pal played once about 6 or 8 moves after 80 minutes or more
crowis [6d?\]: they play each other 21games at the europian go tournament,
crowis [6d?\]: and result is 12-9 for balogh so far.
mgoetze [1k\]: didn't pal lose to jun tarumi on move 27 at the student championship recently?
Chilltime [2k\]: yeah on time
ictus [4k\]: so he always takes this long?
Hoppi: why?
ThePoint [1d\]: if Pal play strong as yesterday,waiting is no waste of time
Mo [-\]: Pal wom yesterday all games?
Mo [-\]: *won
crowis [6d?\]: hum..
crowis [6d?\]: he sometimes think long time at the unimportant situation.
Toovveak [-\]: maybe commenting other game will be better...)
pronto [?\]: what moves are likely now?
crowis [6d?\]: well, this game would be more interesting than other one.
crowis [6d?\]: if they start to paly :p
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: sanrensei
Joshua96 [3k\]: maybe alogh is counting? ^^
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: but i dont think he will play it
Joshua96 [3k\]: balogh
DragonXiao [5k\]: this is taking too long
Hoppi: Balogh tries to find a fuseki pattern where he can play an new or unusual move
]
;B[pj]C[NLLT [16k?\]: Alright!!
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: ha^^
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: i was right^^
Joshua96 [3k\]: wow ^^
Joshua96 [3k\]: now w resigns? ^^
crowis [6d?\]: 3stars formation is not the fassionable opening in the professional's game, nowadays.
Mikki62 [2k\]: (I always play :)
]
;W[nq]C[crowis [6d?\]: but of course, still possible.
reki7 [3d?\]: why is that?
crowis [6d?\]: I don't know, normally, pro player's looking for new shape and new opening.
crowis [6d?\]: but if someone plays 3star formation, then it's getting very fixed game.
crowis [6d?\]: than other opening.
mgoetze [1k\]: i've heard claims that professionals say sanrensei loses 2 points
crowis [6d?\]: I don't think so, there no theory of that.
crowis [6d?\]: as far as I known.
crowis [6d?\]: for me, I don't like to play this formation
crowis [6d?\]: because..
Mikki62 [2k\]: I c
Mikki62 [2k\]: how about o5 after o3 ?
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: i would attach at o4
Joshua96 [3k\]: maybe balogh is playing an unusual move ^^
Joshua96 [3k\]: which one do you prefer?
Mikki62 [2k\]: so o4 best?
reki7 [3d?\]: I think there was also a variation with B p5 here
crowis [6d?\]: there are no best move.
crowis [6d?\]: many moves are possible :p
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: p5 works well with 4 star but with 3 star its too slow... or so i heard
dxxd [2k\]: do you ever play this opening formation as black?
nasnad [1d\]: there always are best moves
crowis [6d?\]: ye, more than 10years ago :p
Medou [1k\]: lol
crowis [6d?\]: kobayashi opening or mini chinese opening is my favorite.
Medou [1k\]: :)
crowis [6d?\]: oh, Ondrej is came down :p
crowis [6d?\]: he looks boring
crowis [6d?\]: let me talk with him
Javaness [2d\]: haha
Javaness [2d\]: tell him he is lost
stafan [-\]: :)
Medou [1k\]: Oh, you're at the tournament ?
Medou [1k\]: You're not playing ?
crowis [6d?\]: yeb
crowis [6d?\]: I officially review this game
Mikki62 [2k\]: great!
crowis [6d?\]: at the tournament place.
Joshua96 [3k\]: and inofficially? xD
crowis [6d?\]: check the kidocup hamepage.
crowis [6d?\]: :p
Joshua96 [3k\]: sounds great ^^
Joshua96 [3k\]: how much time left`?
crowis [6d?\]: I said to Ondrej "What a boring game!"
Troff [?\]: seems odd though
Hoppi: like i said, unusual or new fuseki pattern
]
(;B[no]C[Yasguri [-\]: Why are they spending so much time in a normal fuseki
crowis [6d?\]: and he said, "it's not my fault!"
kairos [-\]: finally :)
Troff [?\]: first few moves set the tone of the game, you have to think about what kind of game you feel like playing
]
;W[qq]C[crowis [6d?\]: silt and Balogh are friendly each other.
Medou [1k\]: And Silt doesn't like to play against Balogh for sure.. just for the time he takes ^^
]
;B[pq]
;W[qp]
;B[po]C[crowis [6d?\]: eh?
]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[qr]C[knottycow [1d\]: and b doesn't have F3 even :(
]
;B[oq]
;W[qn]
;B[jp]TR[pj]C[Javaness [2d\]: this is wrong direction
crowis [6d?\]: definitely, it's good for White.
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: thats a weird joice
crowis [6d?\]: I don't know how 6dan has this kind of intuition.
Troff [?\]: center strategy maybe?
crowis [6d?\]: it's basic.
ThePoint [1d\]: has pal planned this switch in direction of play?
crowis [6d?\]: now, triangle stone became useless.
broiler [4d\]: possible to hane at r5? does o5 help against cut or r6?
nasnad [1d\]: well, pal knows all this
knottycow [1d\]: he is ready to join the mad clan
Medou [1k\]: lol
]
(;W[fq]C[crowis [6d?\]: but White's this move also not good.
crowis [6d?\]: should have played
]
;B[jd]C[Medou [1k\]: Seems to have played by intuition
]
;W[dj]
;B[fd]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: definitely going for moyo game now
]
;W[cf]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: k10 next
DragonXiao [5k\]: maybe not 
DragonXiao [5k\]: seems most consistent move though, iono
Larrave [2k\]: k10 looks random;P
SirEttin [2k?\]: tengen time
bababouie: crowis, what do you think of f16 vs. f17?
DragonXiao [5k\]: if there was ever a time where tengen is good in opening, now would be it
SirEttin [2k?\]: how many points is tengen now?
crowis [6d?\]: oh...I don'k tknow :p
Javaness [2d\]: a few
DragonXiao [5k\]: tengen hard move to evaluate
]
;B[ff]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: because it is so complex
fantastigo [2d\]: isnt r16 just fine?
DragonXiao [5k\]: o.O
DragonXiao [5k\]: o17 o15 o.O
DragonXiao [5k\]: so weird
SirEttin [2k?\]: W Tengen, B resign
tapkopi: f14 looks a bit vague, no?
bababouie: wow, why did b play O15 instead of P17???
Troff [?\]: he wants to make center territory, not chase w into it
DragonXiao [5k\]: what are your thoughts on p5 as a move instead of o5?
Troff [?\]: it seems difficult to do this though, especially with r6 and d10?
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: W F10?
DragonXiao [5k\]: this reminds me of takemiya cho chikun game
crowis [6d?\]: professional player 9dan Baek, came and used this computer
knottycow [1d\]: takemiya did also block in the wrong direction, but he is 9p
crowis [6d?\]: he'll review shimara vs antoine's game.
Pliniofilo [1d\]: ok
crowis [6d?\]: so he checked the sequence
DragonXiao [5k\]: in the game
crowis [6d?\]: sorry.
]
;W[nc]C[bababouie: maybe b should play r8 soon . . . .
]
;B[ne]C[crowis [6d?\]: hum...
Mikki62 [2k\]: u dont continue?
crowis [6d?\]: Black's stones are too high.
DragonXiao [5k\]: cho chikun and takemiya basically exchanged territory for center influence
]
;W[ld]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: and then cho chikun plops a stone right into the center of takemiya's territory
crowis [6d?\]: I'd like to play as a White.
DragonXiao [5k\]: and he ignores it completely
bababouie: crowis, hat do you think of O15 vs. P17?
]
(;B[le]
;W[ke]C[crowis [6d?\]: that move's meaning is..
]
(;B[kd]C[crowis [6d?\]: this move was an overplay
Mikki62 [2k\]: what is hamete?
stafan [-\]: trick play
Uberdude [5d?\]: it is not a hamete
]
;W[oe]
;B[od]C[crowis [6d?\]: but I think, Black also can play
]
(;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[md]
(;W[nd]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]
;B[lc]
(;W[pe]C[crowis [6d?\]: so White is OK, for now.
]
(;B[lg]C[crowis [6d?\]: and that move is unbelievable.
crowis [6d?\]: it looks..doesn't make sense at all.
crowis [6d?\]: too easy for White.
]
;W[qd]
(;B[ob]
(;W[pb]C[minismurf [-\]: If M13 is at O18, how should white play?
crowis [6d?\]: hamete?
bababouie: crowis, how far behind is b now?
Larrave [2k\]: so is it already over now?
]
;B[qf]C[bababouie: Any way to get value out of the aji of the two dead stones?
Kachnak [1k\]: how about this move?
mustang [3k?\]: if w o13, b r15 anyway 
Breaker [7k\]: ?
crowis [6d?\]: good,
]
(;W[gj]C[crowis [6d?\]: white plays elsewhere.
crowis [6d?\]: hmm..good, Black can block right side
]
(;B[pf]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: what should w play after b makes the wall? r7?
]
(;W[qe]C[GoKlaus [?\]: no, m13 isnt there already
]
;B[nb]C[mgoetze [1k\]: sorry about that
Uberdude [5d?\]: back more
crowis [6d?\]: oh
GoKlaus [?\]: much more
fulgurex [2k\]: at 40
]
;W[oc]
;B[mc]
;W[pc]
;B[eh]C[crowis [6d?\]: so question is..how to answer?
fdrsths: f11 feels oke
crowis [6d?\]: if I were White, I would play..
tapkopi: looks like main sequence of game got adjusted
]
(;W[of]C[mgoetze [1k\]: sorry i made a mistake - m13 was at o13
]
;B[ng]
;W[pg]
;B[og]
;W[qg]
;B[ph]C[mgoetze [1k\]: this is not game - there is no stone at m13
])
(;W[ch]
;B[ej]
;W[ek]
;B[di]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's Black's aim
]
;W[cj]
;B[fk]
;W[fj]
;B[ei])
(;W[ci]C[crowis [6d?\]: so locally, it's proper move
crowis [6d?\]: but Black still can cut
]
;B[ej]
;W[ek]
;B[fj]
;W[fk]
;B[gk]C[crowis [6d?\]: shape is bad, but anyway,
])
(;W[fi]C[crowis [6d?\]: so if White plays like that,
crowis [6d?\]: then Black can invade and separate.
]
;B[ch])
(;W[ei]C[crowis [6d?\]: here.
crowis [6d?\]: to connect with middle stone.
]
;B[dh]
;W[ci]
;B[ch]
;W[dc]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: btw, this game is totally wrong
Uberdude [5d?\]: scribe has made corrections
crowis [6d?\]: connection for middle stone is more important I suppose.
]))
(;W[of]C[crowis [6d?\]: if White goes out
crowis [6d?\]: then Black will cut
]
;B[qe]
;W[ng]
;B[qc]C[crowis [6d?\]: and take the corner
]
;W[oc]
;B[rd]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's OK for WHite
crowis [6d?\]: but he choose profit
]))
(;B[qe]
;W[oc]
;B[of]
;W[pc]
;B[pf]TR[qn]C[crowis [6d?\]: but right side is not that big
crowis [6d?\]: White's triangle stone is good position now.
]))
(;W[ng]
(;B[of]
;W[pf]
;B[og]
;W[pg]
;B[oh]
;W[gj]C[crowis [6d?\]: it simple way, just good for White.
])
(;B[qe]C[crowis [6d?\]: it looks possible.
]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[of]
;B[qc]
;W[rd]
;B[qb]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]
;W[qh]
;B[re]
;W[rh]
;B[rc]
;W[oi]C[crowis [6d?\]:  Black gets profit.
crowis [6d?\]: so it makes sense for Black.
crowis [6d?\]: so White is thinking long time now maybe :p.
]))
(;W[pg]C[crowis [6d?\]: if white just play here then..
]
;B[qe]C[crowis [6d?\]: black will cut
]
(;W[ng]
;B[qc]
;W[rd]
;B[qb])
(;W[oc]
;B[pf]
;W[pc]
;B[of]C[crowis [6d?\]: both variations are good for Black.
crowis [6d?\]: so that's Black's intention
])))
(;W[pb]C[crowis [6d?\]: eh?
crowis [6d?\]: Black 2stones are dead.
crowis [6d?\]: so..
crowis [6d?\]: it's definitely good for White.
]))
(;B[pc]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black should have played here, it's more make sense.
]))
(;B[ng]
;W[qd]
;B[ob]
;W[pb]
;B[qf]
;W[gj]C[crowis [6d?\]: ah-ha
]
(;B[eh])
(;B[pf]
;W[qe]
;B[eh]
(;W[of]C[GoKlaus [?\]: change everything, doesnt it?
]
;B[og]C[crowis [6d?\]: but I don't think that cut is good move.
crowis [6d?\]: because it's not that big in this situation
crowis [6d?\]: White should not play his..
crowis [6d?\]: this.
]
;W[pg]
;B[ph]
;W[qg]
;B[rf]C[crowis [6d?\]: right;;
]
;W[rg]C[glint [-\]: game line
]
;B[rh]
;W[re]
;B[qh]C[crowis [6d?\]: how many point end game is it?
Larrave [2k\]: this move?
crowis [6d?\]: about 15point
crowis [6d?\]: it's not big
Larrave [2k\]: ah
crowis [6d?\]: no the capture move
]
;W[sf]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: s13 eh?
crowis [6d?\]: ok, till now, still White is ahead.
Uberdude [5d?\]: why not s12?
crowis [6d?\]: this move.
crowis [6d?\]: so White should not play this capture
]
;B[ch]
;W[ec]
;B[fc]
;W[gh]TR[ch][eh]C[crowis [6d?\]: that move is like indirect defense.
crowis [6d?\]: he seems try to separate Black's two stones
crowis [6d?\]: and it's working, if Black doesn't answer then.
furanose [5d\]: who is better like this?
crowis [6d?\]: White was far ahead
crowis [6d?\]: but now..
crowis [6d?\]: still I'd like to take White.
crowis [6d?\]: but not that far ahead.
crowis [6d?\]: White is thin.
mgoetze [1k\]: p14 was too small?
crowis [6d?\]: Black should use White's weak point.
crowis [6d?\]: T14.
bababouie: t14 was too small.
crowis [6d?\]: yeb, captured 3stones move was small.
]
(;B[ej]C[crowis [6d?\]: and unimportant.
crowis [6d?\]: so Black try to cut White's stone
]
;W[ek]TR[ff][ch][eh]C[bababouie: w d11 instead of E9 no good?
crowis [6d?\]: in the corner
crowis [6d?\]: upper left corner, 
crowis [6d?\]: how to play as a Black?
crowis [6d?\]: so..
]
(;B[fj]
;W[fk]C[crowis [6d?\]: when around Black stones are strong.
]
;B[gk]TR[fj][gk]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's too direct.
JoostC [5d\]: black E11?
crowis [6d?\]: as you can see, Black's cuting shape is not so good.
crowis [6d?\]: it's bad.
crowis [6d?\]: Black should try another way.
crowis [6d?\]: hmm..
crowis [6d?\]: there must be better way than actual game for White.
GoShinobi [-\]: its looking quite hard for w isnt it ?
fantastigo [2d\]: black answered in the center
JoostC [5d\]: White played c5, so black has to make a lot of points in the centre
crowis [6d?\]: it's hard to find it
crowis [6d?\]: but should be some good move :p
]
(;W[ei]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[di]
;W[gi]
;B[ei]
;W[hk]
;B[gl]
;W[dk]LB[eg:A][hl:B]C[crowis [6d?\]: now Black has two weakness
crowis [6d?\]: it's miai for White.
crowis [6d?\]: A,B
]
;B[eg]
;W[fb]
;B[gb]C[crowis [6d?\]: there's aji in the corner
GoShinobi [-\]: isnt there still big aji on the top on whties group
crowis [6d?\]: that's White's worry.
]
(;W[ij]C[crowis [6d?\]: oh White answered in the center
crowis [6d?\]: Black will invade to the corner
JoostC [5d\]: Black N12 looks slow
]
;B[hm]
;W[co]
(;B[mh]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..it's like the move when Black is far ahead.
crowis [6d?\]: so..
]
;W[im]
;B[in]
;W[il]
;B[jn]C[crowis [6d?\]: ?
crowis [6d?\]: no cuting point?
]
(;W[eb]C[crowis [6d?\]: he answered for the corner.
crowis [6d?\]: also super big point
crowis [6d?\]: if I were Black, I would try to play for corner first.
Uberdude [5d?\]: k9 kill!
jjermann [2d?\]: Uberdude: there was a second variation that worked
magners [3k\]: Uberdude, wake up :)
]
;B[fn]C[crowis [6d?\]: if Black try to kill it
jjermann [2d?\]: Uberdude: didnt we just see that w can cut?
crowis [6d?\]: then cut is working
crowis [6d?\]: so Black answered.
jjermann [2d?\]: can w live?
Uberdude [5d?\]: err?
crowis [6d?\]: this move has fallow-up move.
JoostC [5d\]: White k9?
Uberdude [5d?\]: ah i see it now
Uberdude [5d?\]: i'm multitasking =)
]
(;W[jk]C[crowis [6d?\]: oh..cute move
crowis [6d?\]: make eye, looks slack.
crowis [6d?\]: at least
]
;B[cq]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's probe move.
]
(;W[bo]
(;B[fr]C[crowis [6d?\]: so it's kind of compromise move.
]
;W[er]
;B[gr]
;W[eq]
;B[gq]
;W[gp]
;B[hp]
;W[go]
;B[hn]
;W[hq]
;B[hr]
;W[jh]C[jjermann [2d?\]: doesnt B5 damage b's continuation move?
crowis [6d?\]: it's slow
crowis [6d?\]: definitely.
crowis [6d?\]: I don't know why White is so worry about the middle group.
]
;B[bk]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..
]
;W[cl]
;B[bd]
;W[be]
;B[cd]
;W[ce]
(;B[cb]
;W[ee]
;B[fe]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]C[jjermann [2d?\]: B17?
]
(;W[bb]
;B[bl]
;W[bm]
;B[am]
;W[an]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's kido cup tournament in Hamburg
]
;B[ql]C[crowis [6d?\]: and sponsored by Kido industrial co.
Wuschelein [-\]: say hello to olga and benni :)
tomason [1d\]: Just my curiosity: how accurately could you count the score of the game now?
]
;W[qm]
;B[rl]C[crowis [6d?\]: White's territory is about 70point with komi.
jjermann [2d?\]: yeah besides reverse sente I mean
]
(;W[al]C[crowis [6d?\]: I don't understand this move
crowis [6d?\]: it's too small.
crowis [6d?\]: but this capture is...5?
crowis [6d?\]: mistake
]
;B[ki]
;W[kh]C[crowis [6d?\]: but Black has around 60.
]
;B[lh]C[crowis [6d?\]: but some thickness
tomason [1d\]: thanks
]
;W[ll]
;B[bc]
;W[ab]
;B[ji]
;W[ii]
;B[hg]
;W[ih]
;B[es]
;W[ds]
;B[fs]
;W[dr]C[Larrave [2k\]: hm
crowis [6d?\]: but anyway, still White is ahead
Larrave [2k\]: is there some potential in j3?
]
;B[cj]C[crowis [6d?\]: about even or 5point on the board
]
;W[ck]
;B[bj]C[crowis [6d?\]: uh-huh??
crowis [6d?\]: also small..
]
(;W[ho]
;B[ip]C[jjermann [2d?\]: didnt j3 work?
crowis [6d?\]: it's 9point gote.
]
(;W[gn]
;B[fl]C[Larrave [2k\]: okay thx=)
]
(;W[if]C[jjermann [2d?\]: with J3 instead of K2 w can atari upwards?
]
;B[eo]C[jjermann [2d?\]: ugly shape but w can save the stone I thought, but anyway it doesnt matter anymore
crowis [6d?\]: still doesn't work.
]
;W[hb]C[jjermann [2d?\]: ah ok
]
;B[gc]
;W[em]C[crowis [6d?\]: I really don't understand why nobody play biggest point..
]
;B[fm]
;W[ga]
;B[do]C[crowis [6d?\]: but anyway, Black's upper side has broken.
jjermann [2d?\]: D5 looks kind of dangerous
crowis [6d?\]: so now, White is far ahead.
jjermann [2d?\]: ah, no :)
Larrave [2k\]: can white ignore this?
crowis [6d?\]: I would guess White will win this game.
jjermann [2d?\]: I would play C4
crowis [6d?\]: thanks for watch my comment, and see you at next round!
jjermann [2d?\]: thanks!
Javaness [2d\]: thank you crowis!
ttonndaa [1d\]: thanks
sham [3d\]: Thank you!
GoShinobi [-\]: thanx
jaedge [4k\]: thanks
Larrave [2k\]: thx
]
;W[ep]
;B[cp]
;W[br]
;B[dn]
;W[cn]
;B[dm]
;W[cm]C[tomason [1d\]: thanks
]
;B[cr]
;W[bq]
;B[ic]
;W[lj]
;B[li]
;W[ln]
;B[lo]
;W[mn]
;B[mo]
;W[os]
;B[ns]
;W[ps]
;B[nr]
;W[el]
;B[sn]
;W[ro]
(;B[ib])
(;B[nb]
;W[oc]
;B[mc]
;W[pc]
;B[ib]
;W[ad]
;B[mj]
;W[mk]
;B[nj]
;W[sh]
;B[si]
;W[pl]
;B[pk]
;W[hf]
;B[ed]
;W[dc]
;B[ef]
;W[gg]
;B[ol]
;W[pm]
;B[kj]
;W[lk]
;B[hc]
;W[rm]
;B[sm]
;W[so]
;B[rj]
;W[ha]
;B[fa]
;W[ea]
;B[ia]
;W[fa]
;B[de]
;W[cc]
;B[mb]
;W[oa]
;B[na]
;W[pa]
;B[ag]
;W[af]
;B[ah]
;W[cg]
;B[jm]
;W[jl]
;B[kf]
;W[rn]
;B[sl]
;W[kn]
;B[om]
;W[ko]
;B[kp]
;W[je]
;B[qo]
;W[sq]
;B[jf]
;W[ie]
;B[nn]
;W[nk]
;B[ok]
;W[kg]
;B[lg]
;W[pn]
;B[on]
;W[ak]
;B[aj]
;W[am]
;B[df]
;W[nl]
;B[km]
;W[lm]
;B[nm]
;W[mm]
;B[dg]
;W[cs]
;B[sg]
;W[qk]
;B[rk]
;W[sh]
;B[gf]
;W[he]
;B[sg]
;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[sh]
;B[ge]
;W[hd]
;B[sg]
;W[ig]
;B[sh]))
(;W[nb]C[crowis [6d?\]: if White takes this point
crowis [6d?\]: then game is over.
]))
(;W[nb]))
(;W[iq]
;B[ir]
;W[jq]
;B[kq]
(;W[jr]
;B[kr]
;W[ip]
;B[ho]C[crowis [6d?\]: doesn't work.
])
(;W[ip]
;B[ho]
;W[kp]
;B[jr]
;W[jo]
;B[io]
;W[jp]
;B[lp]
;W[ko]
;B[ln]C[jjermann [2d?\]: thx
])))
(;W[nb]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's biggest move for profit.
crowis [6d?\]: it's about..
jjermann [2d?\]: because of the monkey jump?
crowis [6d?\]: reverse sente more than 10point.
Larrave [2k\]: because black can play o18 himself
crowis [6d?\]: 20point worth.
]
;B[cm]
;W[al]
(;B[ck]
;W[dl]
;B[dn]
;W[dm]
;B[cn]
;W[en]
;B[eo]
;W[em]
;B[do]
;W[fo]C[crowis [6d?\]: there's no aji
])
(;B[dm]
;W[bj]
;B[ck]
;W[ak]
;B[dl]
;W[cj]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's not big.
])))
(;W[ad]
;B[bc]
;W[db]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black is dead.
]))
(;B[cb]C[GoShinobi [-\]: maybe he thinks he can play safely ,because hes ahead
crowis [6d?\]: it's kind of forcing
]
;W[ee]C[crowis [6d?\]: locally, Black is dead
]
;B[cc]
;W[da]
;B[ca]
;W[ad]
;B[ac]
;W[bb]
;B[ae]
;W[af]C[crowis [6d?\]: but White should take all the stones later
Larrave [2k\]: lots of territory white got there
crowis [6d?\]: that's the reason why Black plays inside
]))
(;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[eq]
;W[ep]
;B[br]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's base form
]
(;W[bq])
(;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[es]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's dead shape.
crowis [6d?\]: but depends on
]
;B[fp]C[crowis [6d?\]: this cuting move's working.
crowis [6d?\]: I think it's pretty difficult
]
;W[gp]
;B[fo]
;W[hq]
;B[ir]
;W[iq]
;B[jq]
;W[hr]
(;B[jr])
(;B[dr]
;W[cs]
;B[ds]
;W[bs]
;B[jr]
;W[fs]
;B[ap]
;W[bp]
;B[bq]C[crowis [6d?\]: this variation is work for White.
]
;W[dq]
;B[cr]
;W[ao]C[crowis [6d?\]: but some how- difficult.
]))))
(;W[dq]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]
;B[cn]LB[dn:A][bo:B]C[crowis [6d?\]: now this move is working
])
(;W[bp]
;B[er]
;W[fr]
;B[eq]
;W[ep]
;B[bq]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's difficult for White.
]))
(;W[as]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: didn't he show b captre cut in ladder
]
;B[cm]
;W[dm]
;B[cl]
;W[dl]
;B[bj]C[jjermann [2d?\]: no
crowis [6d?\]: that's good point move later on.
Larrave [2k\]: white can extend one more
])
(;W[kl]C[crowis [6d?\]: jump is better
]
(;B[jk]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black still can't play this move
]
;W[lj]C[crowis [6d?\]: so..White can have one eye anyway,
])
(;B[kj]
;W[jj])))
(;W[hn]
;B[gn]
;W[ho]
;B[go]
;W[hp]
;B[gp]
(;W[gq]
;B[hq]
;W[iq]
;B[hr]
;W[ip]
;B[ir]
;W[jq]
;B[kq]
;W[jr]
;B[kr]
;W[js]
;B[ks]
;W[kp]
;B[io]
;W[jo]
;B[is]
;W[jp]
;B[lp]
;W[ko]
;B[kn]C[crowis [6d?\]: it doesn' work.
crowis [6d?\]: so..
])
(;W[hq]C[crowis [6d?\]: it depends on this move.
crowis [6d?\]: if this move is working
crowis [6d?\]: then should be possible.
]
;B[gq]
;W[gr]
;B[fr]
;W[hr]
;B[eq]
;W[fp]
;B[ep]
;W[fo]C[Larrave [2k\]: looks like it
crowis [6d?\]: and seems ok
crowis [6d?\]: working
]
;B[eo]
;W[fn]
;B[en]
;W[gm]
;B[cq]
;W[cm]
;B[dq]
;W[eb]C[crowis [6d?\]: good for White.
])))
(;B[kj]C[crowis [6d?\]: first idea
]
;W[im]
;B[in]
;W[jm]
;B[hn]
;W[mh]
;B[ni]C[crowis [6d?\]: looks fine.
]))
(;W[hl]C[crowis [6d?\]: if White plays here then..
]
;B[cc]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black will invade
just9x9 [-\]: guck mal deine PM
]
(;W[cd]C[crowis [6d?\]: because now,
GoShinobi [-\]: yes
]
(;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[fa]
;W[cb]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black will not cut like that
crowis [6d?\]: it's good for White.
])
(;B[db]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black should play here
mihi [4d\]: and play H8
crowis [6d?\]: but now
]
(;W[eb]
;B[bb]
;W[bd]
;B[dc]
;W[ed]C[mihi [4d\]: could B ignore F18?
]
;B[ca]C[crowis [6d?\]: then White is in danger
])
(;W[bc]
;B[bb]
;W[be]C[crowis [6d?\]: if White plays here then
crowis [6d?\]: 'white can live
]
;B[ac]
;W[bd]
;B[eb]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]
;W[ee]C[crowis [6d?\]: but of course, many damage in the corner
])))
(;W[db]C[crowis [6d?\]: and if White plays here then..
]
;B[be]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's good move
crowis [6d?\]: and can live
just9x9 [-\]: JottKa?
JottKa [2k\]: Hllao
])))
(;W[eg]C[fantastigo [2d\]: cool
crowis [6d?\]: but...
]
(;B[fg]C[crowis [6d?\]: if Black answer directly.
crowis [6d?\]: then..
]
;W[ei]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]
;B[di]
;W[gi]
;B[ei]
;W[ci]
;B[dh]
;W[cj]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's better then actual game
])
(;B[gi]
;W[fi]
;B[hj]
;W[ei]
;B[gj]
;W[dh]C[crowis [6d?\]: it also.
])
(;B[fh]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..that's the problem.
]
;W[fg]
;B[gi]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]C[crowis [6d?\]: there no good move for White.
crowis [6d?\]: well, doesn't work.
])))
(;B[cc]C[crowis [6d?\]: just 3-3point is
crowis [6d?\]: not that good.
]
;W[cd]
;B[eb]
;W[db]
;B[dc]
;W[cb]
;B[ed]
;W[bc]C[crowis [6d?\]: White will compromise like that
crowis [6d?\]: Black gets some gain
crowis [6d?\]: but not that much.
])
(;B[bd]C[crowis [6d?\]: that move is better
crowis [6d?\]: in this situation
]
;W[cd]
;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[bf]
;W[cb]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's better than former variation for Black.
])
(;B[dk]C[crowis [6d?\]: somehow, like that
]
(;W[ei]
;B[di]
;W[fj]
;B[cj]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's ok for Black.
])
(;W[cj]
;B[fk]
;W[el]
;B[fj]C[crowis [6d?\]: much better shape than actual game.
])))
(;B[df]C[crowis [6d?\]: so Black should play for connecting somehow
crowis [6d?\]: then..
]
;W[de]C[crowis [6d?\]: in the corner, there's less aji than before.
]))
(;W[ei]C[crowis [6d?\]: just answer and make connection with the middle.
])))
(;B[ng]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]
;B[pb]
;W[ob]
;B[qb]C[reki7 [3d?\]: is this whole sequence a hamete sequence (i.e. trick)?
]
;W[rb]
;B[qe]
;W[pf]C[bababouie: O18 is a ko threat, isn't it?
]
(;B[ra]
;W[rc]
;B[qf]
;W[pg]
;B[sb]
;W[sc]
;B[sd]
;W[sa]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[sb]
;W[nh]
;B[mh]
;W[sa]
;B[rn]
;W[rm]
;B[sb]
;W[lg]
;B[oh]
;W[sa]C[Larrave [2k\]: looks like its gonna be a short game
Larrave [2k\]: ah you just show something?XD
crowis [6d?\]: White had more ko threat
])
(;B[re]
;W[rc]
;B[pg]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]
;W[qg])))
(;W[pe]
(;B[oc]C[crowis [6d?\]: it maybe best move for Black.
]
;W[nb]
;B[ng]
;W[qd]
;B[qc]
;W[ob]
;B[pc]
;W[qe]
;B[rc]
;W[pb]C[crowis [6d?\]: but still deadöö
crowis [6d?\]: ;;
])
(;B[ng])))
(;W[nd]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]
;B[lc]
;W[pe]
;B[ng]
;W[qd]C[crowis [6d?\]: it looks one way street
]))
(;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[md]
;W[nd]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]
;B[lc]
;W[pe]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..
]
;B[ng]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]
;W[qc]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]C[crowis [6d?\]: but this variation is good for White.
]
;B[nb]
;W[pg]))
(;B[kd]C[crowis [6d?\]: if Black cuts,
crowis [6d?\]: then..
]
;W[oe]C[crowis [6d?\]: White can play like that
]
;B[od]
;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]C[SirEttin [2k?\]: ooo tricky
]))
(;B[oc]
;W[nd]
;B[oe]
;W[lf]C[Javaness [2d\]: hamete=trick
Mikki62 [2k\]: thx
crowis [6d?\]: it's normal, but I think good for White.
]))
(;W[hq]LB[jr:A]C[crowis [6d?\]: here.
crowis [6d?\]: and aim to play A
]))
(;B[pn]
;W[jp]LB[ql:A]C[crowis [6d?\]: still, there's invasion point at A
]
;B[sa]
;W[ql]C[crowis [6d?\]: of course, White will not play immediately.
Mikki62 [2k\]: how about b r6?
]
;B[pl]
;W[qm]C[crowis [6d?\]: when
Mikki62 [2k\]: instead q6
Joshua96 [3k\]: or r7 instead of q6? ^^
]
;B[pm]
;W[qj]
;B[qi]
;W[qk]
;B[pi]
;W[rp]C[crowis [6d?\]: but if White can live with this sequence, then it's quite ok for White.
])
(;B[qm]
;W[qq]C[crowis [6d?\]: corner is empty, so..
crowis [6d?\]: I don't recommend this Black's move.
crowis [6d?\]: and
])
(;B[qn]C[crowis [6d?\]: this move is possible, 
crowis [6d?\]: but when someone played 3star formation, that means, he wants to play influence style of game.
Mikki62 [2k\]: ok
crowis [6d?\]: but just after one move play 3rd line is..
crowis [6d?\]: doesn't make sense. :-)
])
(;B[lq]C[crowis [6d?\]: so that's common one
]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[nr]
;B[mo]
;W[nc]
;B[pf]
;W[jd]
;B[cj]LB[qh:A]C[crowis [6d?\]: but still A is working
crowis [6d?\]: so..somehow, I don't like this shape.
])
(;B[no]
;W[qq]
;B[qp]
;W[pq]
;B[op]
;W[oq]TR[no]C[crowis [6d?\]: Ok for White.
Mikki62 [2k\]: means bad for b?
Hellhuman [4k\]: Somebody knows who won yesterday? ondrej or benjamin?
crowis [6d?\]: I'll satisfied as a White.
crowis [6d?\]: I can say it's better for White.
crowis [6d?\]: Black's triangle move is 
crowis [6d?\]: slack
])
(;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[no]
;W[oq]
;B[pq]
;W[lq]
;B[qn]
;W[nc]C[mgoetze [1k\]: ondrej won against benjamin
tapkopi: ondrej
crowis [6d?\]: also possible.
])
(;B[jp]
;W[qq]
;B[pq]
;W[qp]
;B[po]
;W[pr]
;B[or]
;W[qr]
;B[oq]
;W[qn]
;B[no]C[reki7 [3d?\]: this has to be at O4?
crowis [6d?\]: direction of bloking is wrong already, and last move also slack.
crowis [6d?\]: it's sequence dissection
]))