(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Kido Cup Final]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-10-04]EV[Kido Cup - http://www.kidocup.com]RO[4]PC[Hamburg]US[Michael Goetze]C[sameasyou [2d\]: hello
tiflis: hello
GoShinobi [-\]: hey
Vogel [1k\]: hi
crowis [6d?\]: this game is final match of kido cup
Excalibor [-\]: hello there and thanks a lot!
crowis [6d?\]: christian pop vs ondrej Silt.
]
;B[qd]
;W[dp]
;B[dc]
;W[de]
;B[ce]
;W[cf]
;B[cd]
;W[dg]
;B[ef]
(;W[eg]
;B[bf]
(;W[ff]C[crowis [6d?\]: so he played this move.
crowis [6d?\]: but I don't think that is good move
crowis [6d?\]: White should have bloked like a variation
crowis [6d?\]: because..
]
(;B[bg]C[crowis [6d?\]: this move is a bit slow than knight move
crowis [6d?\]: but I still prefer Black.
]
;W[pp]C[loveHER [6d\]: c12 better than b13?
]
;B[jq]
;W[od]
;B[ld]
;W[of]
;B[qf]
;W[qc]
;B[rc]
(;W[ph]
(;B[rh]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's slack.
crowis [6d?\]: but game is..
crowis [6d?\]: compare with two variation
meuns [1k\]: less points for b here
meuns [1k\]: and s11
crowis [6d?\]: you can see Black is worse than variation
]
;W[jd]
;B[lf]
;W[lh]
;B[je]
(;W[hd]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[ie]
;W[jc]
;B[he]C[Excalibor [-\]: what about j17?
crowis [6d?\]: wedge and push is working 
Excalibor [-\]: we thought it was weak for white
crowis [6d?\]: so Black's shape getting stronger.
]
;W[gd]
;B[jh]C[crowis [6d?\]: so now black is well escape
]
;W[lc]
;B[nq]
;W[pc]
(;B[mc]
;W[md]
;B[nd]
;W[me]
;B[le]
(;W[kd]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..looks bad move.
]
;B[lb]
;W[kc]
(;B[mh]
;W[ne]
;B[li]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's ok for Black too.
GoShinobi [-\]: just r6 now ?
Trillian [3d\]: white exchanged L16 for N12, right? Oo
crowis [6d?\]: because White played mistake already(L26)
crowis [6d?\]: L26)
crowis [6d?\]: L16
]
;W[rb]C[Trillian [3d\]: (compared to the other variation you just showed)
crowis [6d?\]: oh...laptop is too small..
]
;B[pn]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[no]
;B[oq]
;W[po]
;B[qn]
;W[pq]
;B[rp]
;W[qi]
;B[ri]
;W[qk]
;B[om]
;W[mq]
;B[mr]
;W[lq]
;B[lr]
;W[rq]
;B[qp]
;W[lp]
;B[mm]
;W[nl]C[GoShinobi [-\]: comments yeah ;)
Excalibor [-\]: ah, this room :-)
]
;B[nm]
;W[ln]C[crowis [6d?\]: hi everyone again!
meuns [1k\]: hi !
GoKlaus [?\]: hi
GoShinobi [-\]: ghey
]
;B[og]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm..if it working, then..would be nice move!
crowis [6d?\]: so from this situation
Excalibor [-\]: but still d4 with k3 and k12 threat
crowis [6d?\]: White gets profit in the middle, and takes one stone in the upper right corner.
crowis [6d?\]: so ok for white
]
;W[mi]
(;B[ni]C[crowis [6d?\]: but Black played here..
]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]
;W[pg]
;B[lj]
;W[mk]
;B[lk]
;W[nh]
;B[mg]
;W[re]
;B[rj]
;W[ok]C[crowis [6d?\]: so now, Whites three stones in the middle
crowis [6d?\]: already connected
crowis [6d?\]: and Black need to answer for right side group
crowis [6d?\]: it looks pretty good for White.
]
(;B[oh]
;W[oi]
;B[ng]
;W[rf]C[Excalibor [-\]: b r13?
]
(;B[oj]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[Javaness [2d\]: who do you think will win?
crowis [6d?\]: from the begining, Black was ahead, but now, White recovered
crowis [6d?\]: so..
convers [6k\]: Green will win ^^
crowis [6d?\]: I would say, White has more territory
]
;W[qg]C[crowis [6d?\]: and I like it, so, I prefer White
crowis [6d?\]: this move is..
crowis [6d?\]: about 9point end game
crowis [6d?\]: reverse sente
crowis [6d?\]: so big, but I think White should have played for lower right group
]
;B[kq]
;W[ko]C[Excalibor [-\]: but isn't white still weak at d4?
]
;B[pi]
;W[qh]C[Excalibor [-\]: b s8 is needed, right?
crowis [6d?\]: so now, white definitely have more territory.
]
;B[gb]C[crowis [6d?\]: hum..
]
(;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[qr]
;B[os]
;W[pr]C[crowis [6d?\]: hum?
]
(;B[gq]
;W[cm]
;B[hc]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm.
crowis [6d?\]: it's big point.
]
;W[mb]C[crowis [6d?\]: now Black already separate White's big group, so white getting thiner
]
(;B[ge]C[sameasyou [2d\]: d10?
]
;W[dj]
;B[cq]
(;W[dq]
;B[cp]
;W[do]
(;B[bn]C[crowis [6d?\]: so Black choose another move.
]
(;W[cn]
;B[bm]C[Excalibor [-\]: nevertheless that seems too good for white? with that huge wall facing the center
crowis [6d?\]: ye, but White's wall is useless.
Woodstock [-\]: what's white to do with the wall? black has no weakness
Excalibor [-\]: oh?
]
;W[cr]C[Excalibor [-\]: but playing g9 or h10 can make a huge moyo?
crowis [6d?\]: there's no weak group, and no possibility to get territory 
]
;B[cl]C[Excalibor [-\]: mmm... can't see that, i'll wait and see :)
Trillian [3d\]: so maybe white should've better played c4?
crowis [6d?\]: oh..just fallowing the comment :p
]
;W[bo]C[crowis [6d?\]: ye, C4 is better
crowis [6d?\]: hmm??
]
(;B[dm]
;W[dn]TR[ge][he][ie][je][jh][li][lj][lk]C[crowis [6d?\]: hmm...if Black can separate White's group, then..Black's thinkness will working
]
;B[el]
;W[bk]C[Woodstock [-\]: but it's still hard to attack the white group
Larrave [2k\]: but b2 later still aji in corner or?
Woodstock [-\]: i don't think so
crowis [6d?\]: ye, I mean..I didn't think about attack yet, but White doesn't have to do an adventure
crowis [6d?\]: corner is territory for WHite.
]
;B[bl]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]C[crowis [6d?\]: solid.
]
;W[fj]C[even [2d\]: G9 will be w's move
]
;B[ch]C[sameasyou [2d\]: g8?
sameasyou [2d\]: e11?
crowis [6d?\]: oh..I'm afraid that internet connection getting worse.
Woodstock [-\]: don't worry, kgs kibitzers are very patient
Ezayk [-\]: still ahev how many time left?
even [2d\]: h2 a posible move for w?
]
(;W[gk]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's proper move.
Woodstock [-\]: H2 - G2...what then?
crowis [6d?\]: and in the lower left corner, there's no aji
Larrave [2k\]: thank you
]
(;B[gl]
(;W[fe]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's good probe move.
crowis [6d?\]: so it's asking move,
crowis [6d?\]: you wanna attack hardly? or just take your point and let me live
crowis [6d?\]: hardly = strongly
crowis [6d?\]: and Black choose territory
]
(;B[fd]
;W[ed]C[crowis [6d?\]: if that move is sente, 
crowis [6d?\]: then White is almost alive
]
;B[fc]
;W[bi]
;B[fh]C[even [2d\]: In-seong Hwang is crowis?
Beldur [?\]: yes
sheery [?\]: well .. it's not as if he was hiding it from his profile :)
crowis [6d?\]: it's vital point, but I think White can handle.
even [2d\]: ^_^ nice
crowis [6d?\]: so still I would say good for White.
]
(;W[ei]
(;B[hl]
;W[gh]
;B[gg]
(;W[gi]
;B[fg]
;W[hk]
;B[ek]C[crowis [6d?\]: still painful
]
;W[di]C[crowis [6d?\]: bad shape
]
;B[fi]
;W[ej]C[Excalibor [-\]: can white really live in there?
Ezayk [-\]: H10???
crowis [6d?\]: White could live with easy way,
crowis [6d?\]: but now, became in danger
]
(;B[ik]C[Excalibor [-\]: w h13 threatens a big group
Excalibor [-\]: but no ko threat to exploit it
]
;W[fl]
;B[fm]
;W[fk]C[crowis [6d?\]: so White try to use Black's weakness
crowis [6d?\]: if Black answer outside
jasch [2k\]: b can j9 or not?
jasch [2k\]: ah well
jasch [2k\]: nvm
jjermann [2d?\]: J11 for w
jasch [2k\]: w can j11 and live
dounde [1d\]: h11?
crowis [6d?\]: if White can live then, game for White,
jasch [2k\]: so b needs j11 now himself
jasch [2k\]: right?
even [2d\]: h10?
jasch [2k\]: or j10
even [2d\]: w kill J9 is not eye
jjermann [2d?\]: jasch: b can't kill w
]
(;B[co]C[jasch [2k\]: ?
even [2d\]: time pressure
]
;W[bq]
;B[kp]
;W[mo]C[even [2d\]: if w c9 sente, still can alive so doesnt seem to die
]
;B[ij]C[jjermann [2d?\]: w g7 works
]
;W[hj]C[jjermann [2d?\]: so w is alive
]
;B[hi]
;W[gm]
(;B[gn]C[dounde [1d\]: before playing j10 its not possible playing h11 instead?
Excalibor [-\]: this looks ugly for white
]
(;W[hh]
;B[ii]
;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fn]
;B[em]C[jwc [-\]: connect underneath?
jjermann [2d?\]: is this the game?
]
;W[hn]C[even [2d\]: w will not die anyways
even [2d\]: C9 sente already alive
jjermann [2d?\]: well if this works for w and D7 dies, then B definitely lost *g*
]
;B[go]C[Excalibor [-\]: i see...
]
;W[ho]C[Beldur [?\]: Good shape is what works. Not if its beautiful :)
Javaness [2d\]: i could never have read this
SnC [2k\]: b dead
coldnight [1k\]: well when a shape is beautiful it often works
jjermann [2d?\]: Beldur: hmm, I wouldn't say it that way
TheCount [3k\]: i first wondered if that's a pic of popic's boyfriend, then realized it must be crowis
jjermann [2d?\]: Beldur: you can play very ugly shape but it works
GoShinobi [-\]: oh resign
crowis [6d?\]: yeb
alizeee: oh
crowis [6d?\]: is it?
crowis [6d?\]: actually I don't know
jjermann [2d?\]: is Christian Pop winning the tournament?
XSpanier [1k\]: b resigned
crowis [6d?\]: ah-ha
GoShinobi [-\]: thank you in-seong !!!
crowis [6d?\]: ye, if it goes with proper waym, then still White is ahead
jjermann [2d?\]: yes, thanks a lot
crowis [6d?\]: :-)
crowis [6d?\]: yeb, 
TheCount [3k\]: :)
even [2d\]: yes thanks 
Javaness [2d\]: thanks
even [2d\]: learnt a lot
dounde [1d\]: thanks
crowis [6d?\]: thanks for watch the kidocup
crowis [6d?\]: and hope to see you everyone in the tournament place, somewhere :p
crowis [6d?\]: see you!
jjermann [2d?\]: bye
glint [-\]: thanks  In-seong
])
(;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fn]
;B[em]
;W[hn]
(;B[go]
;W[ho]C[crowis [6d?\]: now, Black doesn't have good move.
jjermann [2d?\]: what can b do here?
jjermann [2d?\]: ah
])
(;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]
;W[fp]
;B[ep]
;W[eq]C[crowis [6d?\]: also doesn't work.
])))
(;B[gn]
;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fn]
;B[em]
;W[hn]
;B[go]
(;W[fo]
;B[ho]
;W[in]
;B[jn]
;W[io]
;B[jo]C[crowis [6d?\]: thaht's Black's aim
])
(;W[ho]C[crowis [6d?\]: but doesn't work.
])
(;W[io]
;B[en]
;W[fo]
;B[eo]
;W[fp]
;B[ep]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's work.
jjermann [2d?\]: j5?
crowis [6d?\]: so he exchange every move because of that I suppose
])))
(;B[gn]
;W[ii]C[crowis [6d?\]: then it's alive
Excalibor [-\]: really?
])
(;B[ij]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]
;W[ii]
;B[hh]
;W[gm]
;B[fn]
;W[gn]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's work for White.
jjermann [2d?\]: seems like w is alive
]
;B[fo]
;W[il]))
(;B[ik]
(;W[ij]
;B[ii]C[crowis [6d?\]: if there' no eye in the middle,
crowis [6d?\]: then it's dead
crowis [6d?\]: because..
]
(;W[ck]
(;B[cg]
;W[df]
;B[ci]C[crowis [6d?\]: there's no eye.
])
(;B[ci]C[Excalibor [-\]: i see
]
;W[cj]
;B[cg]
;W[df]
;B[ah]C[Excalibor [-\]: only one eye at most
crowis [6d?\]: yeb
]))
(;W[ci]
;B[ck]))
(;W[fk]C[even [2d\]: ye w is not good
]
;B[ij]
;W[fl]
;B[fm]
;W[gm]C[Excalibor [-\]: and what about pushing through w h13?
crowis [6d?\]: Black also has some weakness 
crowis [6d?\]: so...
crowis [6d?\]: we will see
])))
(;W[fg]C[crowis [6d?\]: should have cutted
]
;B[gi]
;W[hh]
;B[hi]
;W[fi]
;B[ek]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]
;W[ii]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]
;B[ij]
;W[ik]
;B[jj]
;W[il]C[crowis [6d?\]: successful
]))
(;B[ek]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's another vital point
crowis [6d?\]: it's hurt.
]
;W[gh]
;B[gi]
;W[fi]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]
;B[fg]
;W[hj]
;B[di]LB[eh:B][ej:A]TR[ek]C[crowis [6d?\]: so triangle stone is important
crowis [6d?\]: now A,B are miai
]))
(;W[gh]C[crowis [6d?\]: it should be better.
]
;B[gi]C[schwing [1k\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14201286
]
;W[fi]C[even [2d\]: how strong are u crowis? 
]
;B[gg]
;W[hh]
;B[fg]
;W[eh]))
(;B[ed]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's possible to play
]
;W[fd]
;B[fc]C[crowis [6d?\]: there's no eye yet, but black had less territory
]))
(;W[hl]
;B[ek]
;W[ej]
;B[hk]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's Black's aim
crowis [6d?\]: but..
]
;W[fl]
;B[gm]
;W[fm]
;B[fk]
;W[gj]
;B[fn]
;W[hm]
;B[gn]
;W[ik]C[Woodstock [-\]: nice
crowis [6d?\]: but white's 2stones also dead
crowis [6d?\]: so..kind of compromise, and this result would be good for White.
]
;B[hj]
;W[ii]
;B[hi]
;W[hh]
;B[gi]
;W[gh]
;B[fi]
;W[ij]C[crowis [6d?\]: ladder is working
]))
(;B[br]
;W[dr]
;B[bp]
;W[ap]C[crowis [6d?\]: hane is good move
])
(;B[aa]
;W[hr]
;B[gr]
;W[hq]
;B[hp]
;W[gp]
;B[iq]C[crowis [6d?\]: locally, White can't make trouble
crowis [6d?\]: but maybe can forcing some sente move
jasch [1k\]: its a  way to strenghen mid or not?
]))
(;W[gl]
;B[gk]
;W[fk]
;B[fl]
;W[hl]
;B[hk]
;W[gn]
;B[bj]
;W[ck]
;B[ak]C[Faern [4d\]: seems impossible for w
crowis [6d?\]: Black can connect.
]))
(;B[dl]C[crowis [6d?\]: White gets corner, but Black can separate White's big group,
crowis [6d?\]: I think White doesn't have to play like that
crowis [6d?\]: because White is ahead.
]))
(;W[cn]
;B[bm]
;W[cr]
;B[cl]
;W[dl]
;B[ck]C[Excalibor [-\]: me? no way... :)
]
;W[dk]C[Excalibor [-\]: they are reading all the moves you show us during the game? with all the pressure?
]
;B[br]C[Excalibor [-\]: seems i will never be able to do so, sigh
crowis [6d?\]: I hope so
crowis [6d?\]: I hope they are reading that variation
crowis [6d?\]: and you can do this too"!
]))
(;B[co]
;W[cn]
;B[dr]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[fq]
;B[gr]
;W[gp]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's white's intention
]))
(;W[cp]
;B[dq]
;W[ep]
;B[fq]
;W[ci]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's good for white.
]))
(;B[ck]LB[ge:B][cq:A]C[crowis [6d?\]: should have played here
crowis [6d?\]: and aim
crowis [6d?\]: to play A or B
crowis [6d?\]: separating is important.
]))
(;B[hc]C[crowis [6d?\]: is there no cuting point?
]
;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[gc]
;B[hb]
;W[eb]
;B[ec]
(;W[ib]
;B[ge])
(;W[fd]
;B[ib]
;W[jb]
;B[db]
;W[mb]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black can cut White's stone with sente
crowis [6d?\]: it's quite good for Black.
])))
(;W[fb]
;B[fc]
;W[gc]
;B[eb]
;W[fq]C[crowis [6d?\]: if white can play here, then White is ahead
]))
(;B[qg]
;W[pf]
;B[qe]
;W[rd]
;B[rl]C[crowis [6d?\]: Black is gote
crowis [6d?\]: so that means, Black spent one move and got nothing.
Excalibor [-\]: oh
]))
(;B[rd]C[loveHER [6d\]: haha
]
;W[qe]
;B[pe]
;W[rf]C[crowis [6d?\]: there no eye for Black
])
(;B[rf]
;W[rd]
;B[rl]C[crowis [6d?\]: but black can live like that.
]
;W[ng]C[Excalibor [-\]: that's cool
crowis [6d?\]: then..White takes about 10point in the middle
crowis [6d?\]: it's good for White(Locally)
loveHER [6d\]: white also got s16
tapkopi: w seems to clearly lead on territory, right?
crowis [6d?\]: ah, bonus.
crowis [6d?\]: ;p
]))
(;B[nh]C[crowis [6d?\]: it looks quite Ok for Black.
crowis [6d?\]: because White's big group is already separated from the upper side.
crowis [6d?\]: then must be some bad happen with White.
]))
(;B[ne]
;W[mf]
;B[nf]
;W[mg]
;B[oc]
(;W[pd]
;B[ng]
;W[nh]
;B[og]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's one-way street.
loveHER [6d\]: how about white n18 instead of l16?
crowis [6d?\]: so..looks possible.
]
;W[pg]
;B[oe]
;W[rd]
;B[qe]
;W[ob]
;B[nc]
;W[rb]
;B[oh]C[crowis [6d?\]: its good for Black.
crowis [6d?\]: I tthink that move will working
])
(;W[ob])))
(;W[mb]
;B[nc]
;W[ne]C[crowis [6d?\]: pretty good,
crowis [6d?\]: Black's 3stones are dead
crowis [6d?\]: and white is connected
crowis [6d?\]: so its probably proper move
]))
(;B[rb]LB[qn:A]C[crowis [6d?\]: just answer or play A
crowis [6d?\]: will not bad for Black.
]))
(;W[id]C[crowis [6d?\]: it's proper move
crowis [6d?\]: because.. now black's group is weak
crowis [6d?\]: so white should not make weak point
crowis [6d?\]: and give some more pressure
]))
(;B[id]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's right point
]
;W[qg]
;B[pf]
;W[og]
;B[qn]
;W[pc]
;B[re]C[crowis [6d?\]: the corner is alive
crowis [6d?\]: Black is fast
]))
(;W[oh]
;B[qh]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's standard shape
]))
(;B[ch]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's better move than actual game.
crowis [6d?\]: its good for black.
]))
(;W[bg]C[crowis [6d?\]: if white block
crowis [6d?\]: then.
]
;B[df]
;W[cg]
;B[ff]
;W[gg]
;B[gf]
;W[hf]
;B[fg]
;W[fh]
;B[he]
;W[if]
;B[gh]
;W[hg]
;B[fi]
;W[eh]
;B[hd]
;W[ie]
;B[hc]
;W[gi]C[crowis [6d?\]: that's famous variation
crowis [6d?\]: but maybe pop doesn't like this,
]))
(;W[df]
;B[ed]
;W[ck]C[crowis [6d?\]: that also possible,
Excalibor [-\]: nicer
crowis [6d?\]: but actual game, White answered other way
]))