(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Kido Cup Final]PW[Cristian Pop]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2009-10-04]EV[Kido Cup - http://www.kidocup.com]RO[4]PC[Hamburg]US[Michael Goetze]C[xio [7k\]: interesting start
Grokken [8k\]:  very
ShaleStone [5k\]: Kido Cup Final?
Faux [-\]: ...
Higanbana [?\]: 3rd place has started
xio [7k\]: b has small adventage
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Go PapaPopic Grande *\\o/*
Faux [-\]: lol Java
saimic [3k\]: GO PapaPopic Grande!
Higanbana [?\]: anyone know what the timer on this game will be?
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;B[qd]C[Grokken [8k\]: b+360 minus komi
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;W[dp]
;B[dc]C[DrH0use [2d\]: how old are they?
kidocup [?\]: see options->rules
meuns [1k\]: where is crowis !
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;W[de]
;B[ce]C[Higanbana [?\]: thank you kido
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;W[cf]
;B[cd]C[zazie [-\]: DrH0use : Ondrej is maybe 23 or 24, Cristian ~30 
kidocup [?\]: and thank you for watching
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;W[dg]C[DrH0use [2d\]: ty
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;B[ef]C[Javaness [2d\]: thanks for broadcasting :)
DrH0use [2d\]: i thought kido was a kid championship
ShaleStone [5k\]: Thanks very much ^ ^
kidocup [?\]: and big thanks to our sponsor, kido industrial co., for making such a high-level tournament possible :)
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;W[eg]
;B[bf]
;W[ff]C[Higanbana [?\]: yay kido industrial
meuns [1k\]: japanese compagny ?
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;B[bg]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: What does Kido Make?
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;W[pp]C[nasgor [13k?\]: i hear they are insei?
meuns [1k\]: pop was insei
zazie [-\]: they both were
ShaleStone [5k\]: Insei arnt allowed to play in tournaments. *nod nod*
kidocup [?\]: for those of you disappointed that we are not broadcasting blomback, i have something to cheer you up
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;B[jq]C[Javaness [2d\]: oh I didn't expect split
kidocup [?\]: after four rounds in the men's tournament, john karlsson from stockholm is the only undefeated player in the top group
meuns [1k\]: it seems nice with f14
meuns [1k\]: p16 ?
schwing [1k\]: isn't Hwang In-Seong commenting on this game?
meuns [1k\]: croooowwwiisssssssssssss
meuns [1k\]: where are you ?!!!
kidocup [?\]: yes, in-seong will probably start a commentary soon
Higanbana [?\]: is kido industrial a south korean company?
schwing [1k\]: nice, ty
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;W[od]C[meuns [1k\]: why isn't he playing ?
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;B[ld]C[GoKlaus [?\]: he always start a little later in the game to have something to comment
ShaleStone [5k\]: Will Times be told every so often?
meuns [1k\]: WOOOOT !
meuns [1k\]: my move :)
kidocup [?\]: in this game, sure
nasgor [13k?\]: i more comportable with b openning.
kidocup [?\]: in the other game, not so often...
Excalibor [-\]: will he be commenting in here?
meuns [1k\]: r17
evanj [2d\]: are we all ready for some old-fashioned qnertage?
evanj [2d\]: i know i am
meuns [1k\]: haha
Excalibor [-\]: whats that? :)
LeT63 [1d\]: someon explained to me w r17 is not good in this position
meuns [1k\]: gosensei it
ShaleStone [5k\]: R17 is too slow?
Thew [1k\]: wr17 sucks indeed
meuns [1k\]: r17 s17 p14 r14 p12 r12 j16 perfect
LeT63 [1d\]: no good continuation after s17
meuns [1k\]: you are forgetting f14...
Thew [1k\]: just p14... seems to be good for white now
choai [-\]: q13
Excalibor [-\]: can they read our comments in demo?
meuns [1k\]: no...
meuns [1k\]: :p
Higanbana [?\]: they would laugh if they read our comments
Excalibor [-\]: i guessed so
Excalibor [-\]: probably :)
meuns [1k\]: they are on a real board
Excalibor [-\]: oh
rhuin [7k\]: whats the kido cup
Excalibor [-\]: real board
Excalibor [-\]: cool
tapkopi: pairings for this round published anywhere?
evenflow [-\]: i think it would be fairly appropriate if kidocup was also responsible for reading aloud all the kibitz right beside the players as they played
kidocup [?\]: not yet
Higanbana [?\]: I think kido cup is a tournament sponsored by kido industrial co
evenflow [-\]: and yelling when the kibitz is in all caps
meuns [1k\]: lol
kidocup [?\]: unfortunately for german fans, fj dickhut lost his 3rd game in a row, against vladimir danek
kidocup [?\]: he is now playing bernd radmacher for last place
meuns [1k\]: :s
Excalibor [-\]: so...
kidocup [?\]: the game for 4th place is being played in this room between benjamin teuber and fredrik blomback
Excalibor [-\]: q13 better than p13?
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;W[of]C[Excalibor [-\]: ah p14...
rhuin [7k\]: there are two kido boards open now. which is for which place
rhuin [7k\]: i wanna watch the higher :D
Kurotsu [1d\]: can we watch the game between fredrik and benjamin somewhere?
sabin [6k\]: this is the final
Higanbana [?\]: it says at the top of the other board rhuin, the other is 3rd place
rhuin [7k\]: o right
rhuin [7k\]: the title..
rhuin [7k\]: >.<
rhuin [7k\]: well im not gonna watch that other amateur board !:
Ipexander2: no web camera?
Excalibor [-\]: they are playing very slowly in the 3rd place match
pebarefoot [-\]: What happened with the broadcast ?
Excalibor [-\]: still at 4th move
evanj [2d\]: what for b now folks? r13?
Excalibor [-\]: r14 would seem slow but safer
rhuin [7k\]: o i see.. playing closer to stones is SAFER
rhuin [7k\]: >.<
rhuin [7k\]: now i know what im doing wrong
evanj [2d\]: you're 7k, you're doing everything wrong
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;B[qf]C[Simoff [-\]: ahaha xD
Excalibor [-\]: safer in the sense that it's harder to get you cut
rhuin [7k\]: i play 4-4 opening sometimes
evanj [2d\]: as a 2d, i'm only doing most things wrong
rhuin [7k\]: thats right
Excalibor [-\]: but yes, we kyu players do everything wrong, except if we do the right joseki at fuseki :-)
MrKitty [16k?\]: well what about me then 0.0
MrKitty [16k?\]: i'm 16k does it mean i completly suck?
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
Simoff [-\]: yes you do
evanj [2d\]: i'm not going to answer that
Higanbana [?\]: your moves are so random that some of them might be right, kitty
MrKitty [16k?\]: Horray
OttosMops [2k\]: mrkitty: is this go, what you are playing? ;)
nasgor [13k?\]: kyu game more hard to understand and many unreasonable move
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol
MrKitty [16k?\]: my moves arent that random
MrKitty [16k?\]: 0.0
RoyB [11k\]: yes just as me ;-) i`m also realy bad.. but there is hope :P
Excalibor [-\]: now the question is, will white try to make a base or will he keep running for a bit?
Simoff [-\]: Whatever they are random or not, if they are false..
rhuin [7k\]: nah
rhuin [7k\]: one out of 361 moves must be good just by chance
rhuin [7k\]: then all you have to do is increase your probability
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol
rhuin [7k\]: of making a good move
Simoff [-\]: you can't count this way..
Excalibor [-\]: me thinks some dan player should be commenting until the commenter joins in around move 50 or 60, don't ya think? :)
MrKitty [16k?\]: me thinks like excali
evanj [2d\]: no, that's boring. let's have 16k? commentary.
Excalibor [-\]: lol
MrKitty [16k?\]: oh yeah
MrKitty [16k?\]: =O
Simoff [-\]: yeah, that's so much funnier
evanj [2d\]: the floor is yours, mrkitty
nasgor [13k?\]: well w ready to fight at top group
MrKitty [16k?\]: 16kyu commentary pwns all
Syptryn [3d\]: WOO WOo
MrKitty [16k?\]: I think W should play t19 
Syptryn [3d\]: I can do pretend 16k commentary
MrKitty [16k?\]: =D
Excalibor [-\]: lol
Javaness [2d\]: R17 normal now
Simoff [-\]: please
Simoff [-\]: Syptryn, please do.
Excalibor [-\]: to attack the corner? at this moment? interesting
Syptryn [3d\]: If I was 16k right now, I would errrm... play  C6
rhuin [7k\]: no
kidocup [?\]: too good
rhuin [7k\]: thats way too good
Syptryn [3d\]: :(
kidocup [?\]: how about n16?
MrKitty [16k?\]: I 'd play n15 
Syptryn [3d\]: I fail
MrKitty [16k?\]: if i was white
rhuin [7k\]: 16k would play E15
Larrave [2k\]: -.-
nasnad [1d\]: r17 is not to attack, it is to share
Larrave [2k\]: i would just resign
jwc [-\]: p12 r12 r17 s17 j16?
evanj [2d\]: ah! n15! that's bad. good! keep it up
kidocup [?\]: no rhuin... 16kyus don't play tenuki
rhuin [7k\]: ;o
Isowatt [-\]: As a 16k, I'd play Q15, it makes my shape stronger
rhuin [7k\]: true he woulda played E15 immediately
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol you both fail i do play tenuki =P
nasgor [13k?\]: k16 than thinking 
schwing [1k\]: Iso: don't you mean "stranger"?!
rhuin [7k\]: also i cut just about every one point jump until 11k
rhuin [7k\]: i didnt see that proverb
Excalibor [-\]: jwc, interesting sequence
Simoff [-\]: I think he doesn't but in fact it does
jwc [-\]: a pincer at J16 is not very attractive
loveHER [6d\]: must pincer at j16..
Syptryn [3d\]: okay, as 3d, I'd probably jump 1 more, then pincer
Syptryn [3d\]: :D
Excalibor [-\]: so p12, r12 j16?
Simoff [-\]: :d
rhuin [7k\]: i would rook to R15 for fork attack
loveHER [6d\]: black will not r12 if white plays p12
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah, thinking whether j-16 or K-16 better tho...
loveHER [6d\]: he would play j16 or something there
Syptryn [3d\]: my open K-16 to apply more pressure
rhuin [7k\]: >.< o that would be awesome. put chess pieces on goban and they can knock stones off
jwc [-\]: then w r12
rhuin [7k\]: go + chess rooks
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol
nasnad [1d\]: i think r17
MrKitty [16k?\]: thats shogi
loveHER [6d\]: i think white should play p17 then j16
rhuin [7k\]: shougi ahs no stones
fulgurex [2k\]: as 2k, I would try Q12:-)
loveHER [6d\]: k16 instead of j16 also possible..
MrKitty [16k?\]: they have these wood things
Excalibor [-\]: loveher, p12 won't require a reply at r12? interesting...
MrKitty [16k?\]: =p
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;W[qc]C[MrKitty [16k?\]: =o
xio [7k\]: good call nasnad
Excalibor [-\]: however black would live small if white invades the corner after b j16, no?
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;B[rc]C[vdminhhoa [20k\]: hjx
vdminhhoa [20k\]: đánh cờ lâu thiệt
kidocup [?\]: pop asking simara where he should play
Javaness [2d\]: now P12 I guess
Excalibor [-\]: ah, invasion right away!
kidocup [?\]: simara says he doesn't know...
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;W[ph]C[Javaness [2d\]: not there you idiot
Syptryn [3d\]: what da
fulgurex [2k\]: :-)
MrKitty [16k?\]: =0
Javaness [2d\]: pa da da
feature [1d\]: is this overplay?
MrKitty [16k?\]: Agressive much?
pebarefoot [-\]: funny
evanj [2d\]: and aggressive, too
Syptryn [3d\]: if I was 16k, I'd play Q-17
kidocup [?\]: pop turning over the stones so the shell pattern is on the upper side
loveHER [6d\]: p13 
loveHER [6d\]: must
evanj [2d\]: he wants it to look like kgs
kidocup [?\]: and silt telling him this is not othello
nasnad [1d\]: p13 now?
Javaness [2d\]: silt is lying
evanj [2d\]: seriously?
xio [7k\]: what's wrong with q17 ?
tsuchigumo [-\]: p13 hardlz must
MrKitty [16k?\]: probbly not good enough
jwc [-\]: q17 p17
tsuchigumo [-\]: hardlz}
evanj [2d\]: q17 too slow
pebarefoot [-\]: it IS more pleasing with the patterned side up
MrKitty [16k?\]: r12  then?
Syptryn [3d\]: fine finem, if I was 7k, I'd play Q-17
evanj [2d\]: that's what she said
xio [7k\]: if q17 slow, what was the point of r17 in the first place? :)
loveHER [6d\]: to make q17 slow 
Syptryn [3d\]: to stop black from P-17
evanj [2d\]: exactly
rhuin [7k\]: 7k would play q17. i would
Syptryn [3d\]: R-12 also an option
Syptryn [3d\]: if black doesn't fancy cut
evanj [2d\]: w will answer q17 at p17
MrKitty [16k?\]: fancy cut?
Syptryn [3d\]: take advantage of the good ladder
nasgor [13k?\]: i play j16
evanj [2d\]: helps w make shape
rhuin [7k\]: theres a ladder?
evanj [2d\]: rhuin: there's always a ladder somewhere
Syptryn [3d\]: R-12,R-11, cut Q-11, white P-12
Syptryn [3d\]: ladder
xio [7k\]: I'm too weak to see how r17 stops p17 :(
evanj [2d\]: and even if there isn't a ladder, just say "it depends on the ladder," and everyone will be very impressed with your reading ability
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;B[rh]C[Excalibor [-\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: !!!
Syptryn [3d\]: so submissive!
nasnad [1d\]: wow
Syptryn [3d\]: black just got bullied 
loveHER [6d\]: j16 ~~~~~~
evanj [2d\]: and people will be too afraid to say "what ladder?"
Excalibor [-\]: yes, closing there seems so slow
rhuin [7k\]: :O
Syptryn [3d\]: K-16....
rhuin [7k\]: always say depends on ladder :O check
michiko123 [9k?\]: K-16 better
Excalibor [-\]: oops
jwc [-\]: 10k move..
michiko123 [9k?\]: prepare for battle with m16
evanj [2d\]: of course, it helps to be a low dan so that some kyu players will take what you're saying seriously.  but a low enough dan that you don't care what you say
MrKitty [16k?\]: well i never pincer
MrKitty [16k?\]: probbly the reason i am still 16k
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
Syptryn [3d\]: haha
nasgor [13k?\]: b already made direction
rhuin [7k\]: kibitz is so hard
Excalibor [-\]: mrkitty, most important is don't make empty triangles :-)
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol
rhuin [7k\]: S12 seems passive?!
evanj [2d\]: yes, very
MrKitty [16k?\]: go to emptytriangle.com
MrKitty [16k?\]: =\]
grafzahl [8k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitz
Excalibor [-\]: too mucj!
MrKitty [16k?\]: best go site EVER
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
Syptryn [3d\]: I dunno, maybe I would M3
ZetsuboKun [6k\]: more important : dont make squares/B2 bomber or other dango^^
MrPerruche [5k?\]: Get Strong At S12
jwc [-\]: j16 or k16
MrKitty [16k?\]: ROFL at the get strong at kibitz
nasgor [13k?\]: w will start make moyo at the center..
michiko123 [9k?\]: K16
MrPerruche [5k?\]: "when to play S12 and how"
Syptryn [3d\]: K-16 seems obvious
Syptryn [3d\]: how much time do they get?
MrKitty [16k?\]: look above
MrKitty [16k?\]: says 90 mins
loveHER [6d\]: playing m14 then k5 could be cool tho
grafzahl [8k?\]: + 15/5 byoyomi
evanj [2d\]: that article is very funny
evanj [2d\]: yeah, i like the look of m14
evanj [2d\]: although, of course, it depends on the ladder
loveHER [6d\]: nice reading sir
evanj [2d\]: see? :D
Excalibor [-\]: now white has sente
Excalibor [-\]: he can do damage almost everywhere
RoyB [11k\]: you guys are way to ahead of me :P teach me something if your bored some time later please ;-)
Excalibor [-\]: roy: everybody is ahead of me, :-P
MrKitty [16k?\]: Say "depens on ladder"
MrKitty [16k?\]: thats the strongest kibitz move
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
RoyB [11k\]: cant be. only played 50-60 games total. and only realy played for a month or so
RoyB [11k\]: so i think you cant be that far behind excalibor
tsuchigumo [-\]: Good move imo
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;W[jd]C[MrKitty [16k?\]: =O
michiko123 [9k?\]: wow
michiko123 [9k?\]: sip K16
Excalibor [-\]: roy, let's test it another day :-)  i'll fan you
Javaness [2d\]: S12 seems deeply submissive
evanj [2d\]: hm
tsuchigumo [-\]: s12 is normal
RoyB [11k\]: ok. fan me.. whoo my first fan :P
MrKitty [16k?\]: O hey java
evanj [2d\]: i wonder about this instead of j16
Javaness [2d\]: white got what he wanted now
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;B[lf]C[Syptryn [3d\]: yay
MrKitty [16k?\]: You owe me 3 nuts
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
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;W[lh]C[Syptryn [3d\]: K-16!
Javaness [2d\]: i do?
tsuchigumo [-\]: preoares cut at p13
MrKitty [16k?\]: yes
Javaness [2d\]: assu won like i said he would
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;B[je]C[MrKitty [16k?\]: i wasn't talkin about that
Trillian [3d\]: M12 looks like handicap move
MrKitty [16k?\]: You owe me 3 nuts cuz i said so
MrKitty [16k?\]: =O
Javaness [2d\]: that sounds wrong
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;W[hd]C[MrKitty [16k?\]: Lol
Syptryn [3d\]: eh
HelloQtion [-\]: wow
Syptryn [3d\]: interesting
Excalibor [-\]: white can approach the corner and make a base using f14 stone
evanj [2d\]: I like M12 very much
Excalibor [-\]: nod...
Excalibor [-\]: what about black g17 now?
Syptryn [3d\]: J-16 not possible due to ladder
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;B[id]C[Simoff [-\]: okay, now what will black do to make his group alive ?
Syptryn [3d\]: eh!
jwc [-\]: lol
alexanderp [?\]: Silt won his last game?
Javaness [2d\]: yes
alexanderp [?\]: thanks
Syptryn [3d\]: J-15
alexanderp [?\]: and this is a final final?
Syptryn [3d\]: own that stone
Javaness [2d\]: final final
MrKitty [16k?\]: yes final
MrKitty [16k?\]: lol
alexanderp [?\]: great, i've arrived at the right time
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;W[ic]
;B[ie]C[Excalibor [-\]: otoh j17 can helpblackto make a base for k16?
Syptryn [3d\]: :(
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;W[jc]
;B[he]C[Excalibor [-\]: there...
Syptryn [3d\]: that was pointless
evanj [2d\]: wait, you were serious about the ladder?
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;W[gd]C[Excalibor [-\]: but now white's in trouble
Syptryn [3d\]: whit could have J-16 instead of H-16 and got to this position without the extra cutting point
Simoff [-\]: B F15?
kidocup [?\]: white sighing :)
ywyw [2k\]: g15
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;B[jh]C[Excalibor [-\]: ah, nice
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;W[lc]C[Excalibor [-\]: got a wall? use it
Syptryn [3d\]: H-15 aji for white
RoyB [11k\]: humm time for food :(
Syptryn [3d\]: G-15
RoyB [11k\]: sweet looking game though :)
RoyB [11k\]: have fun watching all. and goodluck to the compeditors
Excalibor [-\]: roy, don't eat
Javaness [2d\]: I think I prefer black
Excalibor [-\]: you won't die :)
Farouche [?\]: Yes he will
MrKitty [16k?\]: thats what she said java
MrKitty [16k?\]: 0.0
Excalibor [-\]: we'll play another day, ok... bod apetit
unrelated [5k\]: that's just your morbid nature, java
evanj [2d\]: i wanted to view offline to check the sequence, and accidentally clicked on SE. if you're curious, w is up by 71.5.
tapkopi: w thickness around e13 does not seem overly efficient
Syptryn [3d\]: H-16 was bad
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;B[nq]C[loveHER [6d\]: tengen
MrKitty [16k?\]: isn't that called overconcetrated?
michiko123 [9k?\]: b can survive but only get small area on mid??
Syptryn [3d\]: black better
ThePoint [1d\]: no review by Hwang In Seong ?
nasnad [1d\]: b has odd shape
kidocup [?\]: In Seong will start later
MrKitty [16k?\]: O3 preperation to run to the bottom?
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;W[pc]C[ThePoint [1d\]: thx ,ok
Excalibor [-\]: around move 80, maybe, kidocup?
Javaness [2d\]: popic suprises me today
XSpanier [1k\]: gibts iwo ne spielerliste?
Syptryn [3d\]: eh
Syptryn [3d\]: dat move small
Syptryn [3d\]: slow
Syptryn [3d\]: R-6
Syptryn [3d\]: white should be feeling the heat
Excalibor [-\]: nod, it seemed uncalled for atm
Javaness [2d\]: maybe he menaces S13
nasnad [1d\]: it is huge
Excalibor [-\]: besides, why ignore the treat to q4?
loveHER [6d\]: s18 big , but r6 still looks good
MrKitty [16k?\]: If i was W i would play q7  instead ~nod~
Javaness [2d\]: well, we will see if black answers
Uberdude [5d?\]: b tenuki i guess
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;B[mc]C[Syptryn [3d\]: r-6 bigger than s-18 for now
Uberdude [5d?\]: s12 means he can
Syptryn [3d\]: >
MrKitty [16k?\]: =O
Syptryn [3d\]: ?
Lin24 [3k\]: oo
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;W[md]
;B[nd]
;W[me]C[MrKitty [16k?\]: double =O
Syptryn [3d\]: ?
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;B[le]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: q17 is very large, and w has no good move at the bottom
Excalibor [-\]: i am at a loss atm...
MrKitty [16k?\]: isn't Q7 good?
nasnad [1d\]: b is improving the status of his centre group
Syptryn [3d\]: bl;ack wants to settle mid group in sente I guess
Syptryn [3d\]: then R-6
Excalibor [-\]: ah, i see
Syptryn [3d\]: like crazy guy
Excalibor [-\]: interesting
Syptryn [3d\]: if I was 20k, I'd plat O-17 right now
Excalibor [-\]: well, o17 is double atari, yes
MrKitty [16k?\]: Lol
loveHER [6d\]: m18 my guess
MrKitty [16k?\]: I'd play there too
Excalibor [-\]: but... what's the gain? :-)
MrKitty [16k?\]: Is it that bad?
Syptryn [3d\]: not sure, haha, but that what 20k would efinately do :P
Syptryn [3d\]: I have to read
Syptryn [3d\]: lol
Excalibor [-\]: i've been told that you should get the most with every sotne you put
evanj [2d\]: that seems to go without saying, for the right definition of "get the most"
xio [7k\]: o15?
MrKitty [16k?\]: B can o15 W capture n17  B n14 
nasnad [1d\]: o17 mqy be ok but is not as easy as it llooks kitty
Farouche [?\]: M18 gives Black N14
profi [2d\]: o15 
Excalibor [-\]: spoiling black plans towards the center and worrying about q4 seem better for white now
fdrsth: difficult game
Excalibor [-\]: what about h12?
loveHER [6d\]: oh
loveHER [6d\]: how about
loveHER [6d\]: n18
Excalibor [-\]: w n18?
loveHER [6d\]: yep
Excalibor [-\]: and what about the ladder?
Excalibor [-\]: :-)
profi [2d\]: why not o15  ?
MrKitty [16k?\]: m18  answer?
evanj [2d\]: what's wrong with o15?
evanj [2d\]: compared to n18?
eurogotv [-\]: are you all coming to the european team chamopionship next week in romania?
loveHER [6d\]: with o15 you get cut
Excalibor [-\]: n18 n14?
evanj [2d\]: Romania? No, thanks
Syptryn [3d\]: L-17
eurogotv [-\]: championship
michiko123 [9k?\]: btw, if w>>>o15 and then b>>L17??
UGI: WHY NOT 017?
evanj [2d\]: oh, indeed
MrKitty [16k?\]: Not me
michiko123 [9k?\]: it's dead
XSpanier [1k\]: w thinks 2 much
evanj [2d\]: Nothing against Romania but it's awfully far away.
xio [7k\]: l17 m18, what's the big deal?
nasnad [1d\]: this is a good place to think
Syptryn [3d\]: bklack can live bot if white O-18 I think
eurogotv [-\]: it is very cheap and even nicer
MrKitty [16k?\]: I was told about that competition too late
Javaness [2d\]: You can watch it online
MrKitty [16k?\]: =P
Excalibor [-\]: loveher: w n18 b n14?
Javaness [2d\]: you're also not european evanj
eurogotv [-\]: you can still register
evanj [2d\]: when are you going to hold the European Go Championships in New England?
Syptryn [3d\]: bklack connect O-17
Syptryn [3d\]: first
evanj [2d\]: That's true, Javaness; well observed.
eurogotv [-\]: i will be there
evanj [2d\]: but I could still go as a spectator. I assume.
MrKitty [16k?\]: shes a and admin =O
Excalibor [-\]: syptryn, but then w o15...
evanj [2d\]: i don't like team go anyway. it freaks me out.
Syptryn [3d\]: m-18?
Excalibor [-\]: i think n17 is dead anyway, black won't spoil moves to save her
Syptryn [3d\]: black can live bot
MrKitty [16k?\]: Team go is funny
MrKitty [16k?\]: =\]
MrKitty [16k?\]: harder then normal go
Syptryn [3d\]: well live aji anyway
loveHER [6d\]: man i wanna go to a tournamentttttttttt
Excalibor [-\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: black can form livign group any time with M=-18
Syptryn [3d\]: bt probablu tenuki
Javaness [2d\]: why didn't you come to my tournament loveHER?
Excalibor [-\]: loveHER: please, follow up on your n18 idea
sameasyou [2d\]: I also might get to European team championship
profi [2d\]: yes, n18 looks good
eurogotv [-\]: cool
Syptryn [3d\]: white N-18, black O-17, white O-15
loveHER [6d\]: n18 then black??
profi [2d\]: there is no cut after this
michiko123 [9k?\]: why don't white O17?? so he can defend his territory
Excalibor [-\]: black would do n14?
eurogotv [-\]: why dont you come Ali?
Farouche [?\]: N18 and M18 give B a good follow-up, that's not good :( But losing his main territory... idk
MrKitty [16k?\]: If i was black I'd answerm18  to N 18
Syptryn [3d\]: leaves aji, black M-18, white L-17, black O-18, qhite P-18 doesn't work I think, because balck can P-17
michiko123 [9k?\]: a
Syptryn [3d\]: but this leaves white pretty thick, so black wouldn't play it straight away
evanj [2d\]: then w will just L17, kitty
MrKitty [16k?\]: hmm
MrKitty [16k?\]: true xD
loveHER [6d\]: money/school/no team
fulgurex [2k\]: and cut
Syptryn [3d\]: whough, maybe he could due to G-15 cut...
eurogotv [-\]: school is a problem
kidocup [?\]: pop has used one hour
eurogotv [-\]: but team should be no problem
evanj [2d\]: already? cripes
sameasyou [2d\]: loveHER I have one free spot in our team :)
eurogotv [-\]: you see!!!
MrKitty [16k?\]: meh i got excused from school when i went to national championships
evanj [2d\]: did you win?
Syptryn [3d\]: mmmm yeah if white N-18, black G-15
Syptryn [3d\]: and cut
evanj [2d\]: hmmmmm
xio [7k\]: hmm, there's anything in the rules about being obligatory to use 90 minutes? :)
Syptryn [3d\]: white has to play another move at top,
loveHER [6d\]: i assume eurogo will pay the flight eh?
Syptryn [3d\]: allowing black to attack E-13 group
sopalin [1k?\]: what about the time kidocup plz ?
sameasyou [2d\]: ask him :)
MrKitty [16k?\]: Lol you can use your time how ever you like
eurogotv [-\]: you will win the flight money with poker from me
MrKitty [16k?\]: Lol
eurogotv [-\]: maybe.....
KissMyBat [6k\]: romania is great
evanj [2d\]: lots of romans there?
MrKitty [16k?\]: nah
sameasyou [2d\]: I like every country I visit
kidocup [?\]: eh sorry, it was 30 minutes, not one hour :)
ShaleStone [5k\]: Theres always the London Open ;-)
evanj [2d\]: oh
eurogotv [-\]: wow, you are the same as me
evanj [2d\]: that makes significantly more sense
xio [7k\]: when in romania do as romans do
MrKitty [16k?\]: I wana go to japan
MrKitty [16k?\]: T~T
MrKitty [16k?\]: |I want the next euro go tournament to be in japan
MrKitty [16k?\]: =P
loveHER [6d\]: lol i need to rob some bank if i wanna go to london open
evanj [2d\]: i'm too tall to go to japan
MrKitty [16k?\]: *i
MrKitty [16k?\]: Rofl evanj
evanj [2d\]: yeah, london really is wicked expensive
ShaleStone [5k\]: Cornel went in 2007 ^ ^
Excalibor [-\]: yes, tokyo is much cheaper :-P
evanj [2d\]: true
eurogotv [-\]: you need a private sponsor loveHER
MrKitty [16k?\]: depends on where you live
Excalibor [-\]: otoh plane fares are...
MrKitty [16k?\]: for me it'd be cheapper to go to london
Simoff [-\]: Yes it always depends on the ladder.
Excalibor [-\]: w is taking an awful time to play
evanj [2d\]: cheaper to get there, yes, but when you land... watch out
Jonka [5k\]: whatabout tenuki the top...?
MrKitty [16k?\]: about twice as cheapper
Excalibor [-\]: yes, london much closer
xio [7k\]: we have kibitzed whole chatroom during that one move...
Excalibor [-\]: can get over there for 15-20 euros
Excalibor [-\]: :)
MrKitty [16k?\]: 0.0
evanj [2d\]: don't know if tokyo is worse, having never been, but i can imagine it's about the same
evanj [2d\]: but london is ridiculous
MrKitty [16k?\]: where do you live exalibor?
Excalibor [-\]: spain
Excalibor [-\]: been at london this winter
MrKitty [16k?\]: oh
Excalibor [-\]: it's expensive to stay but cheap to arrive from here
MrKitty [16k?\]: i'm from israel
XSpanier [1k\]: bah w wasting his time
xio [7k\]: never been to london
MrKitty [16k?\]: its about 700$ to get to london from here
Excalibor [-\]: ah, pretty far away then
evanj [2d\]: yeah, it's plenty cheap, just turn around when you get there and fly back
eurogotv [-\]: so you go with loveHER then mrKitty
evanj [2d\]: don't even buy anything at the airport
]
;W[kd]C[xio [7k\]: except for a bus trip from Gatwick to Heathrow
MrKitty [16k?\]: =O
evanj [2d\]: oooh, ah move
Excalibor [-\]: whoah
evanj [2d\]: i forgot they were playing
Simoff [-\]: wh expected this ?
evanj [2d\]: looks like w worried about g15
Simoff [-\]: *who
tsuchigumo [-\]: Looks fishy
Excalibor [-\]: yes...
MrKitty [16k?\]: blu blu blu? (fish sound?)
evanj [2d\]: is that a fish sound?
xio [7k\]: it's  an old tricky move form jamaican joseki called Muhabu's hidden macheta
MrKitty [16k?\]: i wonder
MrKitty [16k?\]: xD
evanj [2d\]: glub glub glub
guestly: this is hoping to attack b? i don't see how it goes too well
Excalibor [-\]: but now w can secure the corner with n18 (he still has e15 to protect the upper left) and worry about q4
MrKitty [16k?\]: thats drinking soun 0.0
]
;B[lb]
;W[kc]C[Excalibor [-\]: not bad at all
evanj [2d\]: oh
evanj [2d\]: no, drinking is glug glug glug
Excalibor [-\]: oh
evanj [2d\]: totally different
MrKitty [16k?\]: ehhh what now0.0
michiko123 [9k?\]: B>>>O15??
michiko123 [9k?\]: now?
tsuchigumo [-\]: B should just take the squeeze and o12
evanj [2d\]: hmm... this doesn't really seem to ahve solved w's problems does it
loveHER [6d\]: sure
Icare [1k\]: O15 -> my kiu move
meuns [1k\]: interesting game
michiko123 [9k?\]: zzz
evanj [2d\]: thanks, meuns
Excalibor [-\]: m18 negates n18 and the corner, cool
meuns [1k\]: you're welcome
loveHER [6d\]: squueze is out of the question imo
MrKitty [16k?\]: what would you do then loveher?
Excalibor [-\]: o17 would help a bit but frankly, i can't read much farther...
meuns [1k\]: o17 bad
Excalibor [-\]: yes
meuns [1k\]: o17 o15 
loveHER [6d\]: o15 only move
evanj [2d\]: but then what
guestly: loveher but i dont see what good continuation for it
Regenbogen [1d\]: abd then, how to continue?
meuns [1k\]: o15 => m14 quasi-dead
eurogotv [-\]: what do you know loveHER you are only European Youth Champion, not European Team Champion
evanj [2d\]: oh snap
michiko123 [9k?\]: O15 now
Excalibor [-\]: o15 for black is good, indeed
guestly: how is it good?
]
;B[mh]C[meuns [1k\]: o15 
Excalibor [-\]: o17 was for white, btw... but o15 negates o17
loveHER [6d\]: nah i gotta alot of exams next week anyway, so no way i can go to romania
Excalibor [-\]: ah, cool
evanj [2d\]: bwuh??!
Excalibor [-\]: better than my m14 proposal
eurogotv [-\]: i have to play othello now, cu all later
evanj [2d\]: what are you studying, loveHER?
evanj [2d\]: i HATE othello, it makes me so mad
loveHER [6d\]: highschool crap
evanj [2d\]: ah
xio [7k\]: what is othello?
eurogotv [-\]: reversi
evanj [2d\]: there are few things in life I wouldn't choose to do rather than play othello
tsuchigumo [-\]: ok this is good too, same idea
evanj [2d\]: i'd rather be waterboarded
eurogotv [-\]: see EuroGoTV8
eurogotv [-\]: channel
]
;W[ne]C[Excalibor [-\]: ah
eurogotv [-\]: bye
]
;B[li]C[loveHER [6d\]: s18 very big..
meuns [1k\]: p3 o4 r6 ?
loveHER [6d\]: but probably r6 first
Excalibor [-\]: w j17 did reversed the game... now he lost most of the innitiative and still has 2 4-4 to defend
]
;W[rb]C[loveHER [6d\]: maybe not r6 first..
xio [7k\]: wow, would never thought it was that big...
loveHER [6d\]: well it is big because blacks group is not alive now
tapkopi: but w got quite some terr on top
twold [2k\]: just compare b playing there. also b weak now
loveHER [6d\]: white can attack with s11 or s10 
xio [7k\]: right, a very complex tsumego
loveHER [6d\]: cant imagine black will play r11 tho
loveHER [6d\]: probably just r6
Excalibor [-\]: b r11?
Excalibor [-\]: to fight for life?
michiko123 [9k?\]: b>> R11 very small
guestly: can b give up on them?
]
;B[pn]C[guestly: q11 r12 r11 s13 s11 r13 q6 ?
Excalibor [-\]: mmm
kidocup [?\]: silt has used 30mins
Syptryn [3d\]: mmmm
Syptryn [3d\]: interestng
]
;W[np]
;B[mp]
;W[no]C[meuns [1k\]: humm
]
;B[oq]C[Excalibor [-\]: unless b gets another corner and a side... his middle may not be enough
]
;W[po]C[Syptryn [3d\]: high pincer is good choice actually
Syptryn [3d\]: lol
]
;B[qn]C[Syptryn [3d\]: nasty!
Syptryn [3d\]: like chicken
Excalibor [-\]: w q9
twold [2k\]: chicken is tasty, not nasty
meuns [1k\]: lol
jasch [2k\]: some might be nasty too
Syptryn [3d\]: d-11
loveHER [6d\]: must q3
tsuchigumo [-\]: w has focused too much on territory imo
Syptryn [3d\]: s-111
Syptryn [3d\]: s-11
Excalibor [-\]: w s11?
tsuchigumo [-\]: e13 group just dame now
Excalibor [-\]: i see, so black cannot connect...
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
Syptryn [3d\]: shoudl be sente
Syptryn [3d\]: other top right die
]
;W[pq]C[jasch [2k\]: canot imagine w to tenuki with heavy gropu at q4
]
;B[rp]
;W[qi]C[Excalibor [-\]: oh
michiko123 [9k?\]: why not s-11?
michiko123 [9k?\]: aaa
]
;B[ri]C[Excalibor [-\]: the ladder? :-D
]
;W[qk]C[Syptryn [3d\]: maybe white fears that blakc wills sacrfice top 3 stones
Syptryn [3d\]: and play R-11
Syptryn [3d\]: which if I was black, I could quite well do
loveHER [6d\]: o5 so heavy
Syptryn [3d\]: but I think black was better off playing R-11 over S-4
Syptryn [3d\]: S-4 looks overly aggressive
Syptryn [3d\]: but I guess black has good influence to support it
loveHER [6d\]: no s4 is only move
Syptryn [3d\]: I would been happy with R-11 sente and force white to make life in gote :P
Excalibor [-\]: s4 attacks the q3 group, right?
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
Syptryn [3d\]: R-6 will also be under attack tho
guestly: loveher, r10 instead of s4 not ok?
meuns [1k\]: s4 attack and settle
tsuchigumo [-\]: b just needs to keep everthing alive and w separated
tapkopi: s2 for b now?
Syptryn [3d\]: black not really settled....
loveHER [6d\]: allowing white to have s5 is too much
twold [2k\]: syptryn: after r11, white is all settled and b can be attacked no? that's not really a good result
Excalibor [-\]: w still has o17 on the top to search for eye space, i think w will concentrate on black on the lower corner
guestly: ah
loveHER [6d\]: instead of having a heavy group he will have a 10 point corner
]
;B[om]C[Syptryn [3d\]: black gaisn right side profit.... and can C-6 in sente
Syptryn [3d\]: I'd be satsified
]
;W[mq]C[twold [2k\]: not really a profit. has to spend another move there
loveHER [6d\]: right side is not big..
]
;B[mr]
;W[lq]
;B[lr]C[Syptryn [3d\]: but he gets sente... on C-6... now I'm not sure if that will happen
meuns [1k\]: l3 
Syptryn [3d\]: white can settle this group reasonably easily I think
tapkopi: maybe also some aji with p13 cut
Syptryn [3d\]: and black would of gained little from the attack
twold [2k\]: if he tenukies, then w can invade, don't you think?
twold [2k\]: very uncomfortable for b
XSpanier [1k\]: y didnt b play m3 instead of n2?
Excalibor [-\]: just 23 moves on the 3rd place match !!
Syptryn [3d\]: didn't want white to get 2 eyes I guess
]
;W[rq]
;B[qp]C[Excalibor [-\]: ouch
Gigot [4k\]: why not ladder?
Excalibor [-\]: if w manages to get m5... and defend s3.... ugly for b
meuns [1k\]: l3 !
]
;W[lp]C[xio [7k\]: w seems better
Excalibor [-\]: m4?
Simoff [-\]: I told you, depends on the ladder !
Excalibor [-\]: why not m5?
RoyB [11k\]: ...
ShaleStone [5k\]: Ladder gives too many Ko threats
Syptryn [3d\]: errr  black N4?
RoyB [11k\]: :P
Excalibor [-\]: ok, the ladder's for white, but....
Syptryn [3d\]: white wants to keep this black group weak
GoShinobi [-\]: yeah In-seong is here ;)
Excalibor [-\]: m4 fells smaller than m5?
]
;B[mm]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: nice
ShaleStone [5k\]: Net?
Excalibor [-\]: see? :-P
Syptryn [3d\]: N6
Syptryn [3d\]: m6
]
;W[nl]C[Excalibor [-\]: w m6 now
Syptryn [3d\]: EH
ShaleStone [5k\]: Ohh peep
Syptryn [3d\]: n6...?
Excalibor [-\]: ???
XSpanier [1k\]: o6
guestly: oO
Syptryn [3d\]: NO
Excalibor [-\]: i am lost now
Syptryn [3d\]: n6 not good
XSpanier [1k\]: :D
meuns [1k\]: try to read dudes...
Excalibor [-\]: i can't make sense of their moves :-P
guestly: n5 ?
meuns [1k\]: n5 n6 m5 o7 
meuns [1k\]: not too hard
RoyB [11k\]: read.. :P your asking that of a player that has played less then 70 matches? :P
Loop [5k\]: w would crosscut :)
crowis [6d?\]: Hi, I'll start to comment of this game in the other room.
RoyB [11k\]: doesnt work now does it :P
tsuchigumo [-\]: n6 seems normal, b must develop r6
Loop [5k\]: n11
Excalibor [-\]: crowis, which other room?
Syptryn [3d\]: n6 is not that great, leaves P-6 aji
Syptryn [3d\]: black may as well just onnect
tiflis: after n6 still p6
tiflis: oh
michiko123 [9k?\]: B>>O9?? can??
Syptryn [3d\]: O6?
schwing [1k\]: just look at his user-info-> games tab
Syptryn [3d\]: I like O6
]
;B[nm]C[xio [7k\]: now 20 minutes thinking
]
;W[ln]C[meuns [1k\]: even game ?
Excalibor [-\]: m6 nod
crowis [6d?\]: official review of this game on on-line with Hwang in-seong 7dan player, fallow this ID
Syptryn [3d\]: if white gets sente here...
Syptryn [3d\]: then s-4 is definately not good
]
;B[og]C[guestly: what do u mean syptryn?
Syptryn [3d\]: because black could have linked hsi 2 groups together in sente, and then C-6
Syptryn [3d\]: but this P-13 cut looks interesting
michiko123 [9k?\]: yupp
guestly: ah
twold [2k\]: artem vs kghin 22 observers. that doesn't happen often ^^
Syptryn [3d\]: Q-13
Syptryn [3d\]: I think white can live
tapkopi: s10 looks like w sente
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah should be
ShaleStone [5k\]: o13 ?
Syptryn [3d\]: na. just Q-13 direct
Syptryn [3d\]: S-10 and p-11 are sente
Syptryn [3d\]: so white can folow them with Q-10
Syptryn [3d\]: whites almost alive
tsuchigumo [-\]: n11 is worth a thought here
ShaleStone [5k\]: q13 asks for cut.
michiko123 [9k?\]: i think white>>R13 now
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
Syptryn [3d\]: Q-13
ShaleStone [5k\]: Why would white want that?
Syptryn [3d\]: black cut
Syptryn [3d\]: white P11
Syptryn [3d\]: black O-13
Syptryn [3d\]: white S-10
Syptryn [3d\]: black S-15
Syptryn [3d\]: white Q-10
Syptryn [3d\]: alive I believe
Syptryn [3d\]: is black s-8, white can press R-8, and then P-9
Syptryn [3d\]: I think alive
tsuchigumo [-\]: w has no need to cut 2 strong groups
Syptryn [3d\]: right side not strong...., cutting makes S-10 sente
Syptryn [3d\]: white needs s-10 sente to live
Syptryn [3d\]: the question is if black can peep Q-10 before making life at S-15, that might make things difficult for white
ShaleStone [5k\]: Ending in Gote?
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* Go Popica *\\o/*
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;W[mi]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: ^ ^
Syptryn [3d\]: ooh
tsuchigumo [-\]: difficult choice for b
Syptryn [3d\]: well black gets M=10 sente at least :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: Complcated if b 011
]
;B[ni]
;W[mj]
;B[nj]
;W[pg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: mmmmmm if white Q-11
Syptryn [3d\]: is right side still alive?
]
;B[lj]C[Ninjan [5k\]: is christian pop pro?
]
;W[mk]C[pebarefoot [-\]: no
]
;B[lk]C[Ninjan [5k\]: ok
Ninjan [5k\]: boring
]
;W[nh]
;B[mg]C[Javaness [2d\]: ...
]
;W[re]
;B[rj]C[kribi [2d\]: Q14
]
;W[ok]C[pebarefoot [-\]: Pop is just one of the better Europeans and teacher od javeness , lol
pebarefoot [-\]: *of*
Ninjan [5k\]: ajt mään ajt mään
goodminton [-\]: never thought of p9
xio [7k\]: o9 looks nice
tsuchigumo [-\]: B in trouble, may have to play along 2nd line
Ninjan [5k\]: h is not in trouble
pebarefoot [-\]: interesting fight here
]
;B[oh]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ?
Syptryn [3d\]: S-9...
Syptryn [3d\]: black dead...
]
;W[oi]C[Syptryn [3d\]: well O11 first :)
Syptryn [3d\]: p11
Syptryn [3d\]: then s-9 :D
]
;B[ng]
;W[rf]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Pain
xio [7k\]: s8?
UGI: s9
Syptryn [3d\]: poor black
]
;B[oj]C[Syptryn [3d\]: he shoulda r-11 rather than S-4 :S
]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[Syptryn [3d\]: r-8 then tenuki
]
;W[qg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ?
]
;B[kq]C[Syptryn [3d\]: 7 pts not that big...
]
;W[ko]C[UGI: SENTE 15PTS
]
;B[pi]
;W[qh]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: Yes I would have preferred to get l5 in as b before saving the tail
Syptryn [3d\]: how was R-13 sente?
UGI: SORRY FOR BLACK IS SENTE
Javaness [2d\]: can you not type in capslock please
UGI: and r15 AFTER
jasch [2k\]: pls dont shout
UGI: SORRY
Syptryn [3d\]: yes, but sente about 7 pts, since, white S-15/15 can still escape
]
;B[gb]C[grafzahl [8k?\]: xD
Syptryn [3d\]: its not small granted
Syptryn [3d\]: but  there's a lot of big palces right now
xio [7k\]: p8 small?
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
Syptryn [3d\]: someone play C-6 alrdy
]
;W[or]
;B[nr]
;W[qr]C[Syptryn [3d\]: F-3
]
;B[os]
;W[pr]
;B[gq]C[tsuchigumo [-\]: B has lost the plot imo
]
;W[cm]C[Syptryn [3d\]: c-3
Thmayu [3d\]: g16 big but way too passive
Thmayu [3d\]: g18 i meant
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah
pebarefoot [-\]: Go Pop !
goodminton [-\]: c3
Syptryn [3d\]: dunno why he played that
]
;B[hc]C[Syptryn [3d\]: c-3
Syptryn [3d\]: big tho
Syptryn [3d\]: G-17?
]
;W[mb]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I can't see how this cut works...
Syptryn [3d\]: eh
twold [2k\]: what do you mean? w no libs
]
;B[ge]C[Syptryn [3d\]: white can G-17 and F-18, the F-16 whne black cut sente
Syptryn [3d\]: to save those 2 stones tho
Syptryn [3d\]: now G-16 dead :(
]
;W[dj]C[twold [2k\]: w had to defend eventually. it would be the same
]
;B[cq]C[Syptryn [3d\]: na with that exchange
Syptryn [3d\]: black can't cut those stones
Syptryn [3d\]: g-17,h-18,f-18,g-17, f-16, e-17, then white defend n-18
twold [2k\]: second g17?
goodminton [-\]: d 10 makes no territory and there was no group to attack so d3 instead?
Syptryn [3d\]: errr opps second g-17 = f-17 :D
Syptryn [3d\]: white probably scared E-13 grp might die
Excalibor [-\]: black G9?
tsuchigumo [-\]: w is clearly ahead at the moment
Syptryn [3d\]: mmm I think c-7 was bad
twold [2k\]: after f18 b plays j17 sente to get libs, then cuts with g15
twold [2k\]: seems same as game to me
Excalibor [-\]: after the 3-3 4-4 sequence?
]
;W[dq]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I'm not sure white ahead after this sequence
]
;B[cp]C[Syptryn [3d\]: feels like white play 2 moves to get nothing (D-10 and C-7)
]
;W[do]C[goodminton [-\]: seems strange to me  as well
]
;B[bn]C[Excalibor [-\]: why d5 instead of c5?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Don't discount w's thickness, it has a value also
twold [2k\]: d10 is to live i suppose. such moves usually get about 50 to 100 points :-D
Syptryn [3d\]: not that much, I think bot is settled....
Syptryn [3d\]: and black mid kinda thick
tsuchigumo [-\]: w has plenty of territory at this stage
Syptryn [3d\]: so whites influence not gonna do too much
tsuchigumo [-\]: w's influence will offset b's.
kidocup [?\]: both have used about an hour now
Syptryn [3d\]: white still ahead
tsuchigumo [-\]: preventing b from making much territory
Syptryn [3d\]: by about 10 pts I think
]
;W[cn]
;B[bm]C[Genghis [2k\]: can black cut at q9?
]
;W[cr]C[twold [2k\]: w doesn't seem to be ahead to me. what am i missing?
Larrave [2k\]: not really
Larrave [2k\]: because s8 exchanges better for white
Javaness [2d\]: I think it is close
]
;B[cl]C[goodminton [-\]: actual territory is w 45 to b52 so where is the lead`
]
;W[bo]C[RoyB [11k\]: :D
twold [2k\]: yeah, i also counted like that
RoyB [11k\]: lol i was looking at that :P
RoyB [11k\]: sweet :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: b knows he is behind, must be very active, but this...is huge or w
]
;B[dm]C[twold [2k\]: b going for a kill now ^^
]
;W[dn]C[RoyB [11k\]: connect d6 ?then black defs again right?
goodminton [-\]: was that it or is there a chance of attacking upper left
RoyB [11k\]: lol
xio [7k\]: looks like w wins easily now
JanHao [3d?\]: b48 w 50 pts
twold [2k\]: don't know about w, but i would have helluva trouble defending d13 now, i guess
]
;B[el]
;W[bk]C[RoyB [11k\]: ooh sweet. i was thinking about e9 as push :S but b9 looks better :)
Javaness [2d\]: come on Popic
Javaness [2d\]: use the magic hat
tsuchigumo [-\]: Easy game now for w.
Syptryn [3d\]: huh
Syptryn [3d\]: I look away for 1 secon d
Syptryn [3d\]: how da hell
kidocup [?\]: he's not wearing a hat
Syptryn [3d\]: did black corner die
Syptryn [3d\]: wtf
RoyB [11k\]: black greedyh at c8
RoyB [11k\]: white already had top on c2 thats how b5 worked
Syptryn [3d\]: black has to kill now...
Syptryn [3d\]: orlose
jasch [2k\]: b wants so us ehis wall on the center
goodminton [-\]: but he can't earn enough
Syptryn [3d\]: black must kill whtie grp
Syptryn [3d\]: to win
Syptryn [3d\]: but looks hard
jasch [2k\]: if he manages to kil he won
jasch [2k\]: yeah
]
;B[bl]C[Syptryn [3d\]: white has lots of eye space tho
]
;W[dk]
;B[dl]C[goodminton [-\]: don't see a chance to much space left
jasch [2k\]: true 
]
;W[fj]C[Syptryn [3d\]: F-15 gives him 1 eye
RoyB [11k\]: aaah i see push at b9 first. then d9 ...
jasch [2k\]: will be very complicated to destroy that
Syptryn [3d\]: I reall don't think he'll have problems living...
]
;B[ch]C[goodminton [-\]: black might have
jasch [2k\]: he can counterattack on e8
jasch [2k\]: thats b problem
tsuchigumo [-\]: Alive already
Syptryn [3d\]: on the plus side, black corner still got ajo with B2 and B-4 :D
ShaleStone [5k\]: Anyone counting?
Greyish [1d\]: no aji
Greyish [1d\]: b4 a4
Greyish [1d\]: even with b2+
Syptryn [3d\]: oops
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah ur right
Syptryn [3d\]: oh well
JanHao [3d?\]: b 50 w 57
ShaleStone [5k\]: No Komi?
tsuchigumo [-\]: Good time for a count, how much can I compromise with e13
RoyB [11k\]: isnt there ssomething to play at e 16? then black F16 then white f 15. then black h 17 then white still ahead with moves and created some space and libertys .. ? right? (or do i not see the sequance again?)
ShaleStone [5k\]: Rules for turnament?
ShaleStone [5k\]: Tournament*
RoyB [11k\]: or can black but the white surrounding b8 group then?
Javaness [2d\]: Japanese
greenrat [4k\]: 6,5 komi
RoyB [11k\]: but = kill / mess
Ninjan [5k\]: what is komi?
RoyB [11k\]: my error :S dont know how that happend
ShaleStone [5k\]: So B 40 W 63.5?
ShaleStone [5k\]: b 50*
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;W[gk]C[Javaness [2d\]: game is finely balanced
danigabi [5d\]: w better
]
;B[gl]C[danigabi [5d\]: more territory and a little more strength considering e8 unsettled
danigabi [5d\]: go popiku
]
;W[fe]C[Javaness [2d\]: papapocica grande will prevail with powa
RoyB [11k\]: haha the sequance i said? :P
sameasyou [2d\]: Silt is not to be underestimated 
]
;B[fd]
;W[ed]
;B[fc]C[RoyB [11k\]: aah little difirent but still what i thought :P 3 moves later though.
RoyB [11k\]: now f12? to srenghten and prevent pushfrom black? :S or something totaly difirent?
]
;W[bi]C[Javaness [2d\]: the knife
]
;B[fh]C[jasch [1k\]: that hurts
RoyB [11k\]: humm f12 seemd important..:P oh well atleast i can see important stuff sometimes.
tsuchigumo [-\]: b11 seemed self indulgent
grap [3k\]: b11 important to hurt e8 
BlackSky [-\]: h8 ?
kidocup [?\]: pop holds his head as if it's smoking
grap [3k\]: g7 ?
tsuchigumo [-\]: f12 is a strong move
Bula [?\]: g12?
kidocup [?\]: pop has used 75 mins and seems unhappy
ygz5001 [7k\]: what rank is these kids?
Grokken [8k\]: kids?
JanHao [3d?\]: :)
ygz5001 [7k\]: i am old so call them kids
tsuchigumo [-\]: h8
kidocup [?\]: blomback wins against teuber, and thus takes 4th place
RoyB [11k\]: well granpa they are 7d and 6d 
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;W[ei]C[sameasyou [2d\]: isn't 4th place to be decided between Balogh and Simara?
kidocup [?\]: no
kidocup [?\]: winner takes 3rd, loser takes 7th
sameasyou [2d\]: auch
michiko123 [9k?\]: LOL
sameasyou [2d\]: and in this game winner will take 1 and loser will take?
michiko123 [9k?\]: from 3rd to 7th
kidocup [?\]: er 6th i mean
kidocup [?\]: as there will be 4 players with 3 wins
]
;B[hl]C[loveHER [6d\]: how many rounds were there?
]
;W[gh]C[kidocup [?\]: loser of this game is 2nd
kidocup [?\]: 4 rounds
tsuchigumo [-\]: lik a shot
sameasyou [2d\]: interesting tournament
]
;B[gg]
;W[gi]C[JanHao [3d?\]: pop's group seems alive now
]
;B[fg]C[sameasyou [2d\]: yes,,,but no way to attack b8
]
;W[hk]
;B[ek]C[Javaness [2d\]: pop too tall to die
sameasyou [2d\]: and smart enough :)
sameasyou [2d\]: d11
RoyB [11k\]: def at c 11?
minismurf [-\]: if c11, D12 and e10 will cut
JanHao [3d?\]: he is still a kid :)
tsuchigumo [-\]: f12 killed w's shape
RoyB [11k\]: aah i see..
]
;W[di]C[RoyB [11k\]: oh well atleast i saw f12 was imoportant before white played b 11 :P
Syptryn [3d\]: white determined to svae everything
Syptryn [3d\]: but is it necessary?
sameasyou [2d\]: yup...u should pe promoted to 6d asap
]
;B[fi]C[RoyB [11k\]: ha ha ;-) i`m just happy i got a thing or 2 right :P makes me think i`m atleast learning so sssh :P
]
;W[ej]C[sameasyou [2d\]: why didn't Pop capture f12?
JanHao [3d?\]: can he?
Syptryn [3d\]: white looks almost dead
Syptryn [3d\]: OMG
sameasyou [2d\]: yes he can...but fake eye
Syptryn [3d\]: D-11 looks like terirble move too
Syptryn [3d\]: now G-10 can be fake eye
RoyB [11k\]: i think what ever happens he can still make eye in center?or border. and he has e14 witch will also become an eye.. so should be ok
Syptryn [3d\]: border no eye
sameasyou [2d\]: border no eye and center still fake
Syptryn [3d\]: center no eye if black plays next
jasch [2k\]: w only one eye
jasch [2k\]: b j9
Syptryn [3d\]: whites is big trouble
heresy [13k\]: surely a9 gives an eye
jasch [2k\]: only way i can see is that w put pressure on e8 group to escape
sameasyou [2d\]: no...a9 no eye
heresy [13k\]: oh
Syptryn [3d\]: j11 would have allow white to live if white played F-11 rather than D-11
Syptryn [3d\]: zzz
tsuchigumo [-\]: b is surely considering w f8
]
;B[ik]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: A10>>>eye
JanHao [3d?\]: f8 is a move
jasch [2k\]: j9 :D
sameasyou [2d\]: a10 no eye
Syptryn [3d\]: white dead!
Syptryn [3d\]: OMG
heresy [13k\]: huge
sameasyou [2d\]: if w a10 then b c10..so no eye
twold [2k\]: syptryn: you're being hysterical ^^
Syptryn [3d\]: white will have to F-9
michiko123 [9k?\]: white not death
Syptryn [3d\]: and threaten cut
]
;W[fl]C[jasch [2k\]: mybe try maybe f8 f7 j8 j7 j10 k9 j11 
JanHao [3d?\]: yes
]
;B[fm]C[sameasyou [2d\]: last chance
Syptryn [3d\]: or that
tsuchigumo [-\]: only chance
jasch [2k\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: yup
]
;W[fk]C[loveHER [6d\]: j10 
Syptryn [3d\]: sad thing is white could have lived if he played D-11 at F-11
yh: j11
jasch [2k\]: dont get why connect e8
loveHER [6d\]: syp
Syptryn [3d\]: D-11 looks like its in such a dumb position
heresy [13k\]: yeah d11 seemed clumsy
loveHER [6d\]: if d11 at f11
loveHER [6d\]: black d11
michiko123 [9k?\]: white prepare attack G7
loveHER [6d\]: and cuts 20 points off
Syptryn [3d\]: lose thsoe 4 stones...
loveHER [6d\]: white couldnt allow that
Syptryn [3d\]: D-11 at E-10 then
jasch [2k\]: b j8
Syptryn [3d\]: would still be better
loveHER [6d\]: even with f11
heresy [13k\]: what about h13
loveHER [6d\]: white is still not 100% alive
loveHER [6d\]: so its abvolutly not worth it
Syptryn [3d\]: so how is D-11 better than E-10 then?
loveHER [6d\]: absolutely*
RoyB [11k\]: what about if white played a9?  doesnt that make an eye?
michiko123 [9k?\]: i can't imagine if white G7
heresy [13k\]: a9 a11
GoShinobi [-\]: how much time let for the players ?
RoyB [11k\]: so a 12?
GoShinobi [-\]: *left*
loveHER [6d\]: c11 becomes sente
michiko123 [9k?\]: for now, better for white to attack, not to make live
Syptryn [3d\]: so white loses 1 stone?
kidocup [?\]: silt has used 77 minutes
Syptryn [3d\]: that's only about 6 pts...
Syptryn [3d\]: white can afford 6 pts
heresy [13k\]: f12 was genius
loveHER [6d\]: well but e10 doesnt rely controbute much to eyeshape
Syptryn [3d\]: it means that F-11 isn't sente...
loveHER [6d\]: tho i agree, e10 is also ok probably
Syptryn [3d\]: which would mean that white could lvie with J-11
Syptryn [3d\]: without hoping balck responds to wedge
]
;B[co]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ?
michiko123 [9k?\]: zz
Syptryn [3d\]: timesuji?
nasgor [13k?\]: what
michiko123 [9k?\]: what is black thinking?
tsuchigumo [-\]: reduced w's liberties
kweenie [9k\]: ??
]
;W[bq]C[kweenie [9k\]: b3
jasch [2k\]: nice tesuji
michiko123 [9k?\]: just B3
jasch [2k\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: err
jasch [2k\]: looked desperate
]
;B[kp]C[Syptryn [3d\]: share some light on that mvoe some1? :D
Syptryn [3d\]: I dun understand it
]
;W[mo]C[heresy [13k\]: white dead
nasgor [13k?\]:  seem b did not know if w life or no so he want to know w respond
Syptryn [3d\]: time suji
Syptryn [3d\]: black on byoumi?
heresy [13k\]: white seems dead
heresy [13k\]: so it was tesuji
RoyB [11k\]: well black cant h11 or something becouse white can cut and threaten f 12 group? ad make an eye in that (or black thinks he can.. that and it would be a long attack ? (just what im guessing not good at this stuff..)
]
;B[ij]
;W[hj]
;B[hi]C[heresy [13k\]: oh this is grim now
]
;W[gm]C[heresy [13k\]: that will lose the game
jasch [2k\]: last hope
Javaness [2d\]: how white can lived?
Syptryn [3d\]: last fight
ShaleStone [5k\]: W is alive no?
heresy [13k\]: w dead
kidocup [?\]: pop going to the bathroom
heresy [13k\]: could live with sente even
jasch [2k\]: either b rescue e8 or loose
Syptryn [3d\]: f-6 looks like only choice
Troff [?\]: why didn't he just a5?
jasch [2k\]: yeah
jasch [2k\]: a5 no help 
jasch [2k\]: just wasting ko threats
JanHao [3d?\]: white is going to capture g8 stones in a ladder
]
;B[gn]C[jasch [2k\]: ?
heresy [13k\]: oh wait
Javaness [2d\]: *\\o/* papapopica grande *\\o/*
heresy [13k\]: now h 13
JanHao [3d?\]: no ladder :)
Syptryn [3d\]: h-13 black G-12
Syptryn [3d\]: H012
Syptryn [3d\]: atari
Syptryn [3d\]: does nothing
heresy [13k\]: oh
Syptryn [3d\]: white has to h7
Syptryn [3d\]: then cut
loveHER [6d\]: white can connect under i think
vor09 [4d\]: e6 good enough
loveHER [6d\]: yeah he can
loveHER [6d\]: c9 c11 a9 a11 h7 j8 f6 e7 e6 h6 a6 
Javaness [2d\]: crowis gave analysis of this already
JanHao [3d?\]: wh7 b8, w f7, black connect, adn white e6
Syptryn [3d\]: mmm
Syptryn [3d\]: yeah ur right
Syptryn [3d\]: white can connect under
]
;W[hh]C[heresy [13k\]: really?
heresy [13k\]: how
JanHao [3d?\]: no
Syptryn [3d\]: what loverher said
]
;B[ii]
;W[hm]
;B[il]
;W[fn]
;B[em]C[JanHao [3d?\]: i think h2 was bad bad h12
kidocup [?\]: pop has used 85 mins
JanHao [3d?\]: j11 aji
JanHao [3d?\]: h12, sorry
]
;W[hn]C[ShaleStone [5k\]: Not bamboo?
JanHao [3d?\]: but, pop is 7d, he plays better than me :)
heresy [13k\]: bamboo now
aron666 [4k\]: did B gonna die
nasgor [13k?\]: b no chance here
]
;B[go]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I think black can live
Syptryn [3d\]: maybe,,,
greenrat [4k\]: f5
loveHER [6d\]: h5 
Syptryn [3d\]: h5
]
;W[ho]C[heresy [13k\]: yeah h5
greenrat [4k\]: ok h5
saimic [3k\]: if they both live papapopicu looks short of points.
JanHao [3d?\]: black should resign now
minismurf [-\]: G4
minismurf [-\]: if f5, b J5?
Syptryn [3d\]: black dead :(
Syptryn [3d\]: I can't see a way out fo rblack
JanHao [3d?\]: hum, saimic, you have to count e7 for white
kidocup [?\]: b resigns
heresy [13k\]: oh wow
heresy [13k\]: wd white
Syptryn [3d\]: otehr game still half way :)
dutch2dan [2d\]: wdo Cristian!
Syptryn [3d\]: it also looks funny
saimic [3k\]: CONGRATS TO GRAND POP
Javaness [2d\]: Cristian Papapopicagrande triumphs!
kidocup [?\]: thanks for watching
Javaness [2d\]: thanks kidocup
goodminton [-\]: thank you
JanHao [3d?\]: this was kido-Pop final!
Excalibor [-\]: wow
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