(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian] GN[Kido Cup Board 2]PW[Benjamin Teuber]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[6d]BR[6d]DT[2009-10-03]EV[Kido Cup]RO[2]PC[Hamburg]US[Michael Goetze] (;B[pd]) (;B[qd] ;W[dc] ;B[dp]C[Cookiex [-\]: who is ondrej silt on kgs? ] ;W[pp] ;B[ce] ;W[ed]C[Hellhuman [4k\]: who is benjamin on kgs? ] ;B[oc]C[b8matt [6k\]: who am I on kgs? df [?\]: ahamay Fighter23 [-\]: E16 komoku !!! ] ;W[qi] ;B[ci]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: that's a kosumi, not a komoku.. Isobeutel [8k\]: can i see this match on euroTV? danigabi [5d\]: Oh interesting game ] ;W[fq]C[Fighter23 [-\]: well i don't know i don't know any japanese komoku just sounds nice to me danigabi [5d\]: it is classic for black to ignore C11 when he already has (or plans to play instead) P17 evanj [2d\]: komoku = 3-4 point danigabi [5d\]: it makes up for a very fast development, allowing him to take, in this fuseki, the huge point of O3 DragonXiao [5k\]: kosumi= diagonal extension Fighter23 [-\]: ok danigabi [5d\]: I would have definetely played C11 at O3 Fighter23 [-\]: O3 is a 5d move C11 is a 6d move DeathWind [2k\]: both moves are good DragonXiao [5k\]: well, people in tournament games markiena [11k?\]: look "hikaru no go "then you nowing all this words :) DragonXiao [5k\]: tend to play more solidly danigabi [5d\]: its not less solid DragonXiao [5k\]: and not seek out large fights danigabi [5d\]: it is rather easy to handle the lone stone of C15, and p17 is there to prevent white from making a super effective wall. That is the modern korean approach to E16 DragonXiao [5k\]: it is more likely to turn into a fighting game, no? when people leave more weak groups? kidocup [?\]: hwang in-seong is commenting on this game crowis [6d?\]: Hi, everyone, I'm Hwang in-seong 7dan player and I'll review this game in the other room. kidocup [?\]: see his demo at the top of the active games tab ] ;B[dn] ;W[nq]C[Marcel777 [5k\]: what was the result of bernd radmacher´s game last round? Cal [1d\]: he lost ] ;B[eq] ;W[fp]C[Marcel777 [5k\]: thanks Goreon [1d\]: pincer? ] ;B[ip] ;W[kq] ;B[hq]C[crowis [6d?\]: - ] ;W[fn] ;B[im]C[scurge [4d\]: go go ondra! ] ;W[fl] ;B[gm] ;W[hn] ;B[fm] ;W[em]C[b8matt [6k\]: g6? ] (;B[gl]) (;B[en] ;W[hm] ;B[gl] ;W[hl] ;B[gk] ;W[gn] ;B[kp] ;W[lp] ;B[ko]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: is this teh game? ] ;W[jq]C[kidocup [?\]: does it look like in-seong's commentary? ] ;B[in]C[danigabi [5d\]: ugly game already DragonXiao [5k\]: no, he was showing hypotheticals kidocup [?\]: well then it must be the game :) soeasy [3d\]: this exchange not cheap for w Maroncsan [-\]: dani there is no such thing ] ;W[km]C[DragonXiao [5k\]: interesting move o.O DanielTom [3d\]: yes, right on the shape point DanielTom [3d\]: problem: Black to play :) ] ;B[jl]C[danigabi [5d\]: shape dictates k8 ] ;W[hk]C[danigabi [5d\]: but white can J5 now.. evanj [2d\]: true danigabi [5d\]: i think black has a bad position. The profit for taking E7 is not enough. C3 and C13 still possible so not such a big profit to lose initiative in the attack DanielTom [3d\]: I like White too kidocup [?\]: ondrej biting on his fan makaki: j5 really annoying for b soeasy [3d\]: if b can live , this exchange isnt too good for w danigabi [5d\]: how many points did b make, soeasy? ] ;B[gj]C[DanielTom [3d\]: of course B will live soeasy [3d\]: but here if b wall got thick, c13 become not as strong as it was suppose to ] ;W[io] ;B[ho] ;W[jo] ;B[jp] ;W[jn] ;B[lo]C[DanielTom [3d\]: what is B doing? danigabi [5d\]: w probably should have pushed at L8 once danigabi [5d\]: now those stones are sacrifice ] ;W[mp]C[DanielTom [3d\]: o.o soeasy [3d\]: m8 hmm evanj [2d\]: o..o evanj [2d\]: O(..)O evanj [2d\]: pig fodder [5k\]: m9 more flexibile? DanielTom [3d\]: dani, i don't think W will lose the k6 stones danigabi [5d\]: no daniel HelloQtion [-\]: yhx for trad evanj :p danigabi [5d\]: b cant move with j6 fodder [5k\]: err l9 HelloQtion [-\]: thx* kidocup [?\]: ondrej hitting his head with his fan now :) DanielTom [3d\]: ^^ ] ;B[lm]C[evanj [2d\]: this is complicated DanielTom [3d\]: Why is W thinking so much? kidocup [?\]: actually neither player is in the room right now DanielTom [3d\]: :O evanj [2d\]: they're going to settle this in the parking lot danigabi [5d\]: w next move is very difficult DanielTom [3d\]: <.< evanj [2d\]: what are the options? danigabi [5d\]: Well, theres L8 evanj [2d\]: sure danigabi [5d\]: and maybe.. L8 evanj [2d\]: haha evanj [2d\]: that's what i thought evanj [2d\]: but that's not difficult! danigabi [5d\]: tell that to a 31k DanielTom [3d\]: dani was joking evanj [2d\]: oh danigabi [5d\]: :) evanj [2d\]: yeah, i'll take that second cup of coffee Maroncsan [-\]: :) danigabi [5d\]: w controlling his emotions right now danigabi [5d\]: he has a won position game sheery [?\]: also a move can be difficult just by causing headaches because of complicated fighting hidden behind it even if it is the only move :) evanj [2d\]: well yeah, but then you don't have to worry about it until the next move :) DanielTom [3d\]: dani, how is your school going? danigabi [5d\]: so he must not get excited, thats why he left the board danigabi [5d\]: great, Daniel DanielTom [3d\]: good to hear :) danigabi [5d\]: when am i going to see you taking lessons DanielTom [3d\]: dunno *looks down* :) danigabi [5d\]: do you know anything about the college tournament in brazil? (you were form brazil right? ) DanielTom [3d\]: i'm from portugal evanj [2d\]: eh, same difference danigabi [5d\]: ah, then i dont care :P DanielTom [3d\]: we had an online tournament against brasil some days ago here on KGS. we lost (i didn't participate) danigabi [5d\]: oh..whos top 1# in brazil? Godfather [2k\]: Pele evanj [2d\]: lula da silva DanielTom [3d\]: i don't have a clue. i know a strong 6d from brasil danigabi [5d\]: who? danigabi [5d\]: wang seng fen? DanielTom [3d\]: i don't know his name! :) is account is something like sgsgssg fodder [5k\]: danigabi: humor is best dry :-) evanj [2d\]: so ... players are still AWOL? evanj [2d\]: i want to see my L8 fodder [5k\]: someone send security to the parkinglot :-) kidocup [?\]: everyone's out eating korean food Maroncsan [-\]: wow... -.- Maroncsan [-\]: great tourney -.- fodder [5k\]: mmmmm kimchi ThePoint [1d\]: no EurogoTV? no results on webside,something odd with this tournament? kidocup [?\]: eurogotv didn't work due to technical problems (someone else's laptop not working with the wlan) ] ;W[kl]C[Pinguschaf [4d?\]: i wonder why Benjamin was thinking so long Deckard [?\]: where can i see the results Deckard [?\]: ? kidocup [?\]: you can't... is there something particular you want to know? Maroncsan [-\]: they went to eat in the meantime :P tsutsui1 [-\]: really sheery [?\]: ThePoint .. it actually is not that easy to have all info online as you might think tsutsui1 [-\]: they did fodder [5k\]: k9 the only response? evanj [2d\]: i'd think so evanj [2d\]: unless b is going to sacrifice those stones for shape/thickness on the outside tsutsui1 [-\]: will he 9k? tsutsui1 [-\]: no it might die tsutsui1 [-\]: well he can jump evanj [2d\]: m8 seems painful after k9 tsutsui1 [-\]: yes true DanielTom [3d\]: W is looking good tsutsui1 [-\]: yes go w tsutsui1 [-\]: the oppening was sad evanj [2d\]: sad? DanielTom [3d\]: e16 was a good move cherisse [2k\]: ---> :( evanj [2d\]: how can an opening be sad evanj [2d\]: (thanks for the explanation, cherisse.) DanielTom [3d\]: :) kidocup [?\]: this game being resumed now DanielTom [3d\]: yey Repacse [5k?\]: k9 fodder [5k\]: I have a demo up, of a sad opening ] ;B[ll]C[evanj [2d\]: ah, outside it is tsutsui1 [-\]: yes ] ;W[il]C[DanielTom [3d\]: hm, j8 ? ] ;B[lk]C[tsutsui1 [-\]: really evanj [2d\]: could b have prevented w from settling so easily? tsutsui1 [-\]: he can jump DanielTom [3d\]: i don't like j8 :( ] ;W[mn]C[tsutsui1 [-\]: / evanj [2d\]: too slow? fodder [5k\]: j8 seems chock full of bad aji tsutsui1 [-\]: yes tsutsui1 [-\]: yes evanj [2d\]: both :D tsutsui1 [-\]: i thought he would jump Repacse [5k?\]: m6 tsutsui1 [-\]: ? tsutsui1 [-\]: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?\\ DanielTom [3d\]: n5 or m6 ] ;B[mo]C[evanj [2d\]: n5 first evanj [2d\]: ah tsutsui1 [-\]: i go with n5 DanielTom [3d\]: m6 would be bad i think ] ;W[no]C[shika12 [-\]: not bad shika12 [-\]: just not best ] ;B[nn]C[DanielTom [3d\]: cut cut cut! shika12 [-\]: extend DanielTom [3d\]: <.< Goreon [1d\]: atari shika12 [-\]: or even tenuki ] ;W[nm]C[evanj [2d\]: if n7, b p5 o4 p8? ] ;B[on]C[shika12 [-\]: i just don't like this result for white... fodder [5k\]: k7 sente now tsutsui1 [-\]: well ok shape evanj [2d\]: sort of sente shika12 [-\]: yea, but had that shape already tsutsui1 [-\]: what really shika12 [-\]: lol, if he wanted this type of sente, he shoud have just tenukied in the first place adn kept the aji tsutsui1 [-\]: ? shika12 [-\]: xD tsutsui1 [-\]: true tsutsui1 [-\]: save from cut tsutsui1 [-\]: ? Repacse [5k?\]: could be, but I wouldn`t laugh about it fodder [5k\]: w has to connect now? tsutsui1 [-\]: ys evanj [2d\]: you're right, this is very serious business tsutsui1 [-\]: its a tittle game lol fodder [5k\]: seems like he's comitted to that line of play now - disaster to change direction. evanj [2d\]: seems like w helping b here tsutsui1 [-\]: well its a goodm shape tsutsui1 [-\]: connect plz w evanj [2d\]: or b is coopting w for his own ends tsutsui1 [-\]: go b shika12 [-\]: hm... ] ;W[om]C[evanj [2d\]: . shika12 [-\]: if white connects gives b more help danigabi [5d\]: nice sequeeze tsutsui1 [-\]: what tsutsui1 [-\]: cut tsutsui1 [-\]: 7mm tsutsui1 [-\]: 7m evanj [2d\]: n tsutsui1 [-\]: what kidocup [?\]: tsutsui1... calm down and use your enter key less, please tsutsui1 [-\]: he can jump and live scurge [4d\]: this position is good for black. danigabi [5d\]: what? really scurge? you sure? tsutsui1 [-\]: ok srry choboco [1k\]: b looks ahead even after squeeze evanj [2d\]: there you go using your enter key again danigabi [5d\]: you guys notice the left is not so bigh right? shika12 [-\]: lol, but this it's hard to chose order of moves for black danigabi [5d\]: and b still has no eyes tsutsui1 [-\]: 7m tsutsui1 [-\]: srry! choboco [1k\]: go isnt abut killing danigabi^^ evanj [2d\]: m7 is taken, tsu kidocup [?\]: silt has used 30 minutes evanj [2d\]: do you mean n7? tsutsui1 [-\]: n7 ssrry tsutsui1 [-\]: yes scurge [4d\]: left is big danigabi [5d\]: lol.. after the squeeze w makes lots of territory in the right.. potentially maybe even save a move at r3 scurge [4d\]: if he has no eyes he can get E2 sente\\ danigabi [5d\]: left is smaller than oyu think.. danigabi [5d\]: white has c3 and C13 scurge [4d\]: then also white top left position is bad tsutsui1 [-\]: really will that work scurge [4d\]: black can just jump if he wants danigabi [5d\]: i take w here no doubt Medice [4d\]: except white doesnt have c3 after black threatens e2 first here tsutsui1 [-\]: yes thats what i think ] ;B[oo]C[choboco [1k\]: i take b and fight you shika12 [-\]: lol evanj [2d\]: i bet you lose, choboco shika12 [-\]: coboco has the stuff men are made of evanj [2d\]: foolhardiness? shika12 [-\]: testosterone :) choboco [1k\]: iam a girl nickBlake [?\]: blood and guts? danigabi [5d\]: the question is if black can q7 now? evanj [2d\]: water, mostly shika12 [-\]: lol tsutsui1 [-\]: lol stop that! Repacse [5k?\]: why ? b8matt [6k\]: why not? tsutsui1 [-\]: yes DanielTom [3d\]: :O~ choboco [1k\]: which city is kido cup? shika12 [-\]: n7 ? tsutsui1 [-\]: id kidocup [?\]: hamburg thekaiser [1d\]: n7 sees ok tsutsui1 [-\]: ok choboco [1k\]: hmm, too far to visit today ;) thx 4 info tsutsui1 [-\]: why danigabi [5d\]: n7 now? interesting tsutsui1 [-\]: weredo u live thekaiser [1d\]: or p4 and get a big right side liso [4d\]: n7 seems good tsutsui1 [-\]: sente? tsutsui1 [-\]: yes Repacse [5k?\]: http://www.kidocup.com/ Diplomat [7d\]: q6 shika12 [-\]: i couln't imagine p4 tsutsui1 [-\]: lol shika12 [-\]: yea, maybe q6 thekaiser [1d\]: with q6 the pb is n3, isn't it? danigabi [5d\]: q6- o4? Maroncsan [-\]: the name from the japanese word btw? tsutsui1 [-\]: no choboco [1k\]: p4 makes b ahead tsutsui1 [-\]: i am japanese tsutsui1 [-\]: go b Diplomat [7d\]: o4 is nothing kidocup [?\]: kido? it's from the sponsor, kido industrial co., of korea tsutsui1 [-\]: b got left side tsutsui1 [-\]: ok Maroncsan [-\]: korea ...ok ^^ Fighter23 [-\]: korean the best Maroncsan [-\]: obviously :P shika12 [-\]: つついさん、よろしく。 sheery [?\]: tsutsui1, pls, could you refrain from using just 1 word as a message and then typing enter? or doing this several times in a row? tsutsui1 [-\]: i love koreas go players Maroncsan [-\]: -.- kidocup [?\]: teuber has used 30 minutes Fighter23 [-\]: i love kroean girls thekaiser [1d\]: q6 seems the best solution tsutsui1 [-\]: what does refrain mean? chong [4k\]: q8? ] ;W[np]C[choboco [1k\]: surprise spurpise thekaiser [1d\]: same result thekaiser [1d\]: than q6 tsutsui1 [-\]: cut choboco [1k\]: oh rly? shika12 [-\]: not really choboco [1k\]: i think b can choose now tsutsui1 [-\]: then death? Fighter23 [-\]: N7 no other choice thekaiser [1d\]: yes but gryn [1k?\]: refrain here means, please don't. but it can also mean to repeat. tsutsui1 [-\]: n7 shika12 [-\]: lol true gryn choboco [1k\]: n7 too obvious to play shika12 [-\]: nothing wrong with obvious sometimes ] ;B[pm]C[choboco [1k\]: see DanielTom [3d\]: of course q7 Fighter23 [-\]: Q7 OVERPLAY ! Fighter23 [-\]: it's the end minismurf [-\]: well, w can't cut anyway, so b only needs to take care of this one group shika12 [-\]: q7 is a great move DanielTom [3d\]: nothing wrong with q7 choboco [1k\]: w can cut after n 7 shika12 [-\]: that's why i thought n7 is better ] ;W[mm]C[shika12 [-\]: m6 choboco [1k\]: they are dans Regenbogen [1d\]: q8 liso [4d\]: Q8 choboco [1k\]: they just love to make things more complicated than needed Repacse [5k?\]: this is only good if q7 can live ] ;B[pl]C[shika12 [-\]: being dan if you're below 5dan is meaningless choboco shika12 [-\]: trust me thekaiser [1d\]: o4 was a mistake ] ;W[nk]C[thekaiser [1d\]: q6 instead of o4 choboco [1k\]: its not! once iam 1d ill have ALL the girls here! being dan is AWESOME DanielTom [3d\]: its not useless, shika12 choboco [1k\]: he didnt say useless DanielTom [3d\]: sorry. Maroncsan [-\]: i think being 1 dan is prolly not enough if it's u -.- Fighter23 [-\]: well being amateur is meaningless ] ;B[ln]C[thekaiser [1d\]: ... thekaiser [1d\]: playing go is meaningless? liso [4d\]: p9 DanielTom [3d\]: Black should resigne! Diplomat [7d\]: oh... w failed totally maconheo [2d\]: lt thekaiser [1d\]: you don't play with the right spirit ^^ ] ;W[ok]C[Fighter23 [-\]: w failed ? u r kidding Maroncsan [-\]: wow liso so strong ;)))) liso [4d\]: heh :D danigabi [5d\]: i wouldnt say b is out of the woods.. DanielTom [3d\]: i trust Diplomat *O.O* ] ;B[qo]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: black can make live on bottom right Fighter23 [-\]: just trust me ] ;W[qp]C[Diplomat [7d\]: w have no territory. liso [4d\]: black have 2 weak groups Maroncsan [-\]: well he has 2 weak groups but i trust b :P Fighter23 [-\]: b is gonna die diplomat minismurf [-\]: that would be a bad idea ;) tiflis: ^^ danigabi [5d\]: it is very common for the one that has more weak groups to have more territory fodder [5k\]: can b k9 now? Maroncsan [-\]: liso ugyanugy gondolkodunk ugylatom :P apoplexy [2k\]: black cannot live on the bottom michiko DanielTom [3d\]: i think B can live ] ;B[qj]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: can danigabi [5d\]: Maroncsan knows elfish from lord of the rings liso [4d\]: hat igy van :) apoplexy [2k\]: by live do you mean get two eyes on the bottom? DanielTom [3d\]: <.< michiko123 [9k?\]: yupp Maroncsan [-\]: yeah, and liso knows too ;) magicmagic Diplomat [7d\]: die? no way! Repacse [5k?\]: if black lives here, it will be in gote and white can attack that other thing michiko123 [9k?\]: black got q5 and make eye danigabi [5d\]: yeah but black lives with too much space here eyeglass [?\]: what other thing? ] ;W[pj]C[thekaiser [1d\]: one solution = m6 must die mafutrct [1k\]: possibly w s5 first? danigabi [5d\]: white mayb resist here? danigabi [5d\]: at S5? mafutrct [1k\]: :) ] ;B[rj]C[apoplexy [2k\]: it's inefficient to live with more than two eyes :) shika12 [-\]: s10 shika12 [-\]: dangit shika12 [-\]: too fast DanielTom [3d\]: todays kibitz lacks quality danigabi [5d\]: M11 now tsutsui1 [-\]: lol danigabi [5d\]: only move DanielTom [3d\]: yes DanielTom [3d\]: the classic cap apoplexy [2k\]: that's because it's not in the EGR tsutsui1 [-\]: yes danigabi [5d\]: w has to aim to push at h10 in sente or something like that tsutsui1 [-\]: life ] ;W[li]C[Fighter23 [-\]: M11 is obvious michiko123 [9k?\]: L9 danigabi [5d\]: yet only i got it :) michiko123 [9k?\]: black can resist it danigabi [5d\]: how? tsutsui1 [-\]: to stop the jump michiko123 [9k?\]: L9 DanielTom [3d\]: <.< DanielTom [3d\]: l9 bad apoplexy [2k\]: L9 is no good michiko123 [9k?\]: zz tsutsui1 [-\]: lol DanielTom [3d\]: l9 k10 apoplexy [2k\]: white will just enclose danigabi [5d\]: L9- K11 fodder [5k\]: L9 burns the retinas :-) liso [4d\]: why l9 not goof? rakiurasky [8k\]: n10 to show who's boss tsutsui1 [-\]: l9 cut Repacse [5k?\]: l10 liso [4d\]: *good danigabi [5d\]: gote liso tsutsui1 [-\]: atari liso [4d\]: i know but then k9 is sente ] ;B[jk]C[danigabi [5d\]: k9 still sente danigabi [5d\]: so black aims at L11 ] ;W[jm]C[liso [4d\]: white can't stop black after that danigabi [5d\]: if black l9 now.. white K11 liso [4d\]: if he plays l9 it's the same danigabi [5d\]: and if black j10, w gets h10 and G11 danigabi [5d\]: beautiful ] ;B[kk]C[Fighter23 [-\]: well u all have to admit that i was right saying that Q7 was overplay liso [4d\]: :)) DanielTom [3d\]: what aboutj10 ? danigabi [5d\]: j10- l11. liso [4d\]: yeah tsutsui1 [-\]: really no Sandalphon [4d\]: wow, what kind of insane fight did I walk in on tsutsui1 [-\]: now no DanielTom [3d\]: hmm danigabi [5d\]: w has to h10 or j11 danigabi [5d\]: only moves michiko123 [9k?\]: j11 is better liso [4d\]: h10 seems good tsutsui1 [-\]: no no no DanielTom [3d\]: dani is right tsutsui1 [-\]: 9k u r wrong kidocup [?\]: results of the first round and pairings of the second have finally been posted, see my info Dargil [12k\]: j11 seems cut michiko123 [9k?\]: <<>O14??? mafutrct [1k\]: what would o14 do? grap [2k\]: decorate ? lyt: shut down white eyes on right rakiurasky [8k\]: does f16 work for b? grap [2k\]: well black group has plentuy of libs thekaiser [1d\]: k17 akko888 [15k\]: f5? michiko123 [9k?\]: f5 too small ] ;B[jc]C[ErikE [3k\]: gabi you said b e2 not sente, but wouldn't b g2 after that connect up underneath and possibly allow b to threaten life of h7 group? Depending on what happens around g12... fdrsth: over? Repacse [5k?\]: no ErikE [3k\]: oh w's squeeze at f10 problematic. kidocup [?\]: crowis' commentary is at the top of the active games tab, btw michiko123 [9k?\]: w must connect G16 and E16?? Diplomat [7d\]: oh! I was out for a bit, how have this happened? Maybe fighter was right and group on the right side will die finally. N 10 is dangerous for b to play. ] ;W[ff]C[fdrsth: its miai, this sertainly looks over shika12 [-\]: lol diplomat ErikE [3k\]: b f14 a missed opportunity? DanielTom [3d\]: l18 is enough lyt: l18 Repacse [5k?\]: f14 makes white alive as well ErikE [3k\]: w alive in a moment anyway Bochum [-\]: kidocup, can u post time plz! ] ;B[kb]C[ErikE [3k\]: unless you mean right side white kidocup [?\]: still keeping pace with one another ] ;W[lc]C[kidocup [?\]: benjamin 40mins left, ondrej 42mins left akko888 [15k\]: l16 Bochum [-\]: thx lyt: f16 ] ;B[lb]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: ooppss b connect Regenbogen [1d\]: b looks to have more terretory gryn [1k?\]: c3 istill open thekaiser [1d\]: lol lyt: can white survive in upper right? lyt: looks so michiko123 [9k?\]: it's hard to white lyt: this game looks over thekaiser [1d\]: no DanielTom [3d\]: hard now :( thekaiser [1d\]: w can come back yet akko888 [15k\]: white should play o15 ] ;W[nc]C[akko888 [15k\]: or something else to make eye space ] ;B[mc] ;W[md] ;B[mb]C[thekaiser [1d\]: left side is a huge unexploted field michiko123 [9k?\]: wew ] ;W[nd] ;B[nb]C[fdrsth: is white going to fight? michiko123 [9k?\]: white can make live ] ;W[cg]C[fdrsth: there we go michiko123 [9k?\]: ??? lyt: nice lyt: a game is back michiko123 [9k?\]: good minismurf [-\]: C13 nice shape :) ] ;B[ee]C[lyt: or maybe total annihilation michiko123 [9k?\]: LOL ] ;W[df]C[DanielTom [3d\]: e15 i don't understand minismurf [-\]: ooo fdrsth: i think he played e15 to fast minismurf [-\]: well, threatens F16 michiko123 [9k?\]: b can cut if get f16?? minismurf [-\]: but must connect first, and maybe not enough libs after taht michiko123 [9k?\]: now f16 i think fdrsth: f16 just loses a lib ] ;B[de]C[minismurf [-\]: doesnt really lose a lib, because w has to connect anyway minismurf [-\]: but still michiko123 [9k?\]: f16+d16 maybe good to cut fdrsth: f16 d13 maybe? akko888 [15k\]: c17? DanielTom [3d\]: good, akko888 makaki: w must prevent b d13 now fdrsth: no, f16 is priority ] ;W[ib]C[SadPlayer [-\]: what about f16 ? SadPlayer [-\]: :) lyt: l16 michiko123 [9k?\]: b>h17? ] ;B[jb]C[fdrsth: that move doesnt solve the problem lyt: l16 would have shut down an eye and kept him alive no? minismurf [-\]: W G18 kind of nice shape, but doesn't take a liberty ] ;W[hc] ;B[cc] ;W[cb]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: now f16?? mafutrct [1k\]: f16 then? michiko123 [9k?\]: or must defense? ] ;B[bb]C[akko888 [15k\]: ??? karabos [2k\]: normal lyt: black should bail up there and take out the upper right b8matt [6k\]: setting up for f16 Repacse [5k?\]: hm, perhaps he prefers to win subzeroII [1d\]: b has no porblems lyt: possibly subzeroII [1d\]: w is in trouble ] ;W[db]C[akko888 [15k\]: b16 subzeroII [1d\]: d13 looks fine lyt: f16 shika12 [-\]: b16 is fine subzeroII [1d\]: b16 looks a littel slow ? kidocup [?\]: so hot in here :( ] ;B[bd]C[akko888 [15k\]: b16 life? shika12 [-\]: Proverb: live first shika12 [-\]: :) shika12 [-\]: see? Godfather [2k\]: life kidocup [?\]: unfortunately there's some terrible music outside so we can't open the window... shika12 [-\]: lol shika12 [-\]: evil music lyt: what is it? Onmyoji [2d\]: wherea re you? Onmyoji [2d\]: are Onmyoji [2d\]: you Onmyoji [2d\]: where shika12 [-\]: why not just waste valuable money and turn the AC on full blast? akko888 [15k\]: a17 vital? shika12 [-\]: nope shika12 [-\]: white's turn to live now shika12 [-\]: live/threatne shika12 [-\]: threaten* eyeglass [?\]: b g18? mgoetze [1k\]: easy on the enter key, shika12... mgoetze [1k\]: and onmyoji too Godfather [2k\]: W live in gote? DanielTom [3d\]: maybe shika12 [-\]: my apologies ] ;W[bf]C[akko888 [15k\]: f 17? Regenbogen [1d\]: maybe j17 is good enough for w, and sente Onmyoji [2d\]: where is this tournament held? subzeroII [1d\]: w cant life in gote ? lyt: i dont care skika get it out friend kidocup [?\]: yoon young-sun 5p now here with her camcorder :) Onmyoji [2d\]: plzzzz shika12 [-\]: hamburg onmyoji Onmyoji [2d\]: ok kidocup [?\]: before asking any questions, try options->rules Onmyoji [2d\]: i dont want to know rules Onmyoji [2d\]: sry kidocup [?\]: teuber has used one hour now Uberdude [5d?\]: onmoji, options- rules teels you the place too Onmyoji [2d\]: how is that possibble Uberdude [5d?\]: easily eyeglass [?\]: I didn't know either shika12 [-\]: they type it in for tournament scribed games Uberdude [5d?\]: it is sgf info for game ] ;B[dg] ;W[dh] ;B[eg]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: sgf has many metadata fields fodder [5k\]: for that matter, sgf allows you define your own fields. ] ;W[ef] ;B[cf] ;W[eh] ;B[bg] ;W[ch] ;B[bh] ;W[dj]C[reki7 [3d?\]: does w really have to live on top? akko888 [15k\]: d11 e11 e10 shika12 [-\]: white's already alive on top i t hink shika12 [-\]: when i said white had to live, i was referring to his floating group subzeroII [1d\]: w has to the risk ... w has to catch up subzeroII [1d\]: *take eyeglass [?\]: top is not alive ] ;B[gb]C[reki7 [3d?\]: we'll see now, lol DanielTom [3d\]: over rakiurasky [8k\]: f18? ] ;W[hb]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: now we see :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD mafutrct [1k\]: inseong showed a way for white to live Onmyoji [2d\]: spoiler :(((( ] ;B[fd] ;W[fc] ;B[fb]C[shika12 [-\]: lol shika12 [-\]: you ssound like habed Onmyoji [2d\]: wuts a habed? DanielTom [3d\]: resigne akko888 [15k\]: seki possible? ] ;W[fa]C[Onmyoji [2d\]: why? shika12 [-\]: a TV personality akko888 [15k\]: e19 eyeglass [?\]: one line ahead akko888 michiko123 [9k?\]: e18>>b?? subzeroII [1d\]: anyone able here to comment this ? eyeglass [?\]: e18? kidocup [?\]: subzeroll, see the demo by crowis michiko123 [9k?\]: no michiko123 [9k?\]: can't e18 eyeglass [?\]: why not? kidocup [?\]: top of the active games tab michiko123 [9k?\]: at the last white get live Pinguschaf [4d?\]: i would just s5 now Pinguschaf [4d?\]: i think black has more territory ] ;B[dd]C[akko888 [15k\]: anyone have sequence for b e19? I dont see how it is a bad move akko888 [15k\]: nvm liso [4d\]: g19? thekaiser [1d\]: thank you move michiko123 [9k?\]: don't go to e19 michiko123 [9k?\]: at last white get live Repacse [5k?\]: g19 fodder [5k\]: e18? Repacse [5k?\]: hm b8matt [6k\]: i14 michiko123 [9k?\]: i think now b must throw the stone on other area akko888 [15k\]: b15? hoangmao [6k\]: g19 rakiurasky [8k\]: it almost 8 p.m. in Hamburg. people are in the bars for Saturday, lifting huge steins, and watching this on close-circuit TV. tsutsui1 [-\]: really b8matt [6k\]: hamburg is where? ] ;W[ga]C[KirbyAngel [16k\]: germany oo akko888 [15k\]: germany b8matt [6k\]: no! KirbyAngel [16k\]: ? b8matt [6k\]: e18 for b michiko123 [9k?\]: better b>>e17??? akko888 [15k\]: e17 e18 g17 f17 right? kidocup [?\]: ondrej has used one hour now GoGoGo01 [1d\]: right fodder [5k\]: e18 seki? ] ;B[ck] ;W[cj] ;B[bj] ;W[di] ;B[bi]C[DanielTom [3d\]: c3 ] ;W[cq]C[daladim [1d\]: :) michiko123 [9k?\]: finally danieltom speak again Pinguschaf [4d?\]: this is typical Benni fdrsths: bit later then u suspected, dani :P Pinguschaf [4d?\]: you defend a territory and after that he invades broiler [4d\]: how much time do they have now? evanj [2d\]: ah good, the game is still going on :P DanielTom [3d\]: :) michiko123 [9k?\]: a goodminton [-\]: he's calculating whether c4 r13 is enough isn't he kidocup [?\]: he does seem to be looking at the top right kidocup [?\]: now maybe counting ] ;B[er]C[Slarre [17k\]: If he plays c4, doesn't white connect with d3 - e2? Uberdude [5d?\]: s5 is pretty huge evanj [2d\]: that's good gossip, thank you :) Godfather [2k\]: e18 for b kills? ] ;W[co]C[evanj [2d\]: slarre: w would play e2 first, but yes evanj [2d\]: b c4, w e2, then b has sente to go elsewhere Uberdude [5d?\]: b6 kill it! Slarre [17k\]: But then he would threaten at e4? :S DanielTom [3d\]: e2 greedy ] ;B[cp]C[Slarre [17k\]: Ok goodminton [-\]: that's much tougher so b thinks upper right is not big enough Repacse [5k?\]: well, depends if it works ] ;W[bp] ;B[cn]C[evanj [2d\]: slarre: or, c4 e2 d2 d3 e4 e2 c2 evanj [2d\]: several possible sequences DanielTom [3d\]: hm, it shouldn't work :) Slarre [17k\]: Hehe ^^ sounds good to me SadPlayer [-\]: b5 ? Syptryn [3d\]: b2 ] ;W[bo] ;B[cr]C[danigabi [5d\]: c2 seems to kill too evanj [2d\]: don't see what w does here Pinguschaf [4d?\]: what would you have done? evanj [2d\]: me? i haven't the slightest idea DanielTom [3d\]: W seems dead :s ] ;W[br]C[Syptryn [3d\]: yup ] ;B[dq] ;W[bq]C[evanj [2d\]: ? ] ;B[bs]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I can's ee a way out for white Syptryn [3d\]: poor whity evanj [2d\]: this obviously doesn't work Syptryn [3d\]: white can sente F-2 tho :P evanj [2d\]: woohoo! Syptryn [3d\]: that was what the whole sequnece was all about! evanj [2d\]: haha evanj [2d\]: sacrifice any aji in corner to get dame in sente :) kidocup [?\]: benjamin has used 75 min Syptryn [3d\]: its all about the dame :p Syptryn [3d\]: if white played B2 rather than b5 ErikE [3k\]: now we see why b e2 earlier might not have been so good Syptryn [3d\]: he could have lived evanj [2d\]: what's the status of the game now? w still a chance? ] ;W[bn]C[DanielTom [3d\]: don't think so hoangmao [6k\]: ☺ danigabi [5d\]: no danigabi [5d\]: s5 so big -.- danigabi [5d\]: 25 points at least thekaiser [1d\]: lol Syptryn [3d\]: na more about 20 pts evanj [2d\]: 23 Syptryn [3d\]: white just needs to S-5 sente Syptryn [3d\]: and wall 20 pts in O-13 region Syptryn [3d\]: then all good :D Pinguschaf [4d?\]: i think more than 25 danigabi [5d\]: infinite Repacse [5k?\]: f2 ? DanielTom [3d\]: 900 points evanj [2d\]: if he gets s5 first he wins his next game too ] ;B[bm]C[danigabi [5d\]: dude, thats my joke danigabi [5d\]: dont steal it evanj [2d\]: me? danigabi [5d\]: kibitz robbers everywhere nowadays thekaiser [1d\]: ^^ evanj [2d\]: i'm so sorry, i didn't know. i will make it up to you: everyone take lessons with the atsumi go school!!! ] ;W[dl] ;B[dm] ;W[cl]C[Sai44 [3k\]: what joke did he steal.. ] ;B[bl] ;W[dk]C[evanj [2d\]: ??? ] ;B[cm]C[Pinguschaf [4d?\]: i think white didnt lose any points here kidocup [?\]: benjamin sighs and leans back kidocup [?\]: maybe counting Repacse [5k?\]: could be right because of that sente here evanj [2d\]: was there any point to that sequence other than hoping that b makes a very stupid mistake? ] ;W[ro]C[goodminton [-\]: well could have played f2 then!! thekaiser [1d\]: the famous s5 ] ;B[qn]C[Syptryn [3d\]: no, its engineer a massive ko threat evanj [2d\]: that's it, w wins this game, his next game, and lives happily ever after Repacse [5k?\]: s6 Syptryn [3d\]: for white to use for massive ko in 50 moves Syptryn [3d\]: :P goodminton [-\]: 47 Repacse [5k?\]: s11 ? turingtest [3k?\]: kidocup, wo findet denn heute das after-tournament-pub-go statt ? ] ;W[rn]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: t7?? evanj [2d\]: haha ] ;B[rm]C[kidocup [?\]: keine ahnung evanj [2d\]: after-tournament-pub-go? das ist ein deutsches wort? maconheo [3d\]: lt Maroncsan [-\]: sorry but is the game still ongoing? Repacse [5k?\]: yes schwing [1k\]: y ] ;W[rd]C[Maroncsan [-\]: ty turingtest [3k?\]: könntest du stefan mal fragen ? der ist meist gut informiert ? michiko123 [9k?\]: what the michiko123 [9k?\]: ... kidocup [?\]: frag ihn doch selber... ich uebertrage gerade eine partie, falls dus nicht gemerkt hast evanj [2d\]: haha evanj [2d\]: be nice ] ;B[qe] ;W[qc]C[hoangmao [6k\]: what's white do? ] ;B[re] ;W[pc]C[evanj [2d\]: wants the corner rather than the center, apparently evanj [2d\]: or a bit of both ] ;B[od]C[Greyish [1d\]: i can't help but think simple q15 was a better choice for w DanielTom [3d\]: W must be careful with his other group evanj [2d\]: this is an i-know-i'm-behind-i-have-to-do-something sequence goodminton [-\]: have the same feeling was he reaall ] ;W[pb]C[goodminton [-\]: was he realy behind after s5 michiko123 [9k?\]: wow michiko123 [9k?\]: white can make live michiko123 [9k?\]: top right Repacse [5k?\]: how ? michiko123 [9k?\]: zzz ] ;B[rb]C[hoangmao [6k\]: ☺ evanj [2d\]: hm ] ;W[rc] ;B[ob]C[kidocup [?\]: ondrej has used 75 minutes michiko123 [9k?\]: hmmm... DanielTom [3d\]: poor W evanj [2d\]: qnert? ] ;W[se]C[crowis [6d?\]: oh.. crowis [6d?\]: it doesn't work.. ] ;B[sd]C[michiko123 [9k?\]: T18 now? kidocup [?\]: white resigns evanj [2d\]: t18 s18 still dead evanj [2d\]: wow evanj [2d\]: t18 s19 i mean ttonndaa [1d\]: congratz michiko123 [9k?\]: wowowowo michiko123 [9k?\]: ondrej win Maroncsan [-\]: yay :)) DanielTom [3d\]: :) DanielTom [3d\]: thanks, kidocup kidocup [?\]: thanks for watching kidocup [?\]: see you tomorrow for round 3 and 4 :) ])))