(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[5400]OT[15/300 Canadian]
GN[Kido Cup - 3rd Place Playoff]PW[Pal Balogh]PB[Jan Simara]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2009-10-04]EV[Kido Cup - http://www.kidocup.com]RO[4]PC[Hamburg]US[Michael Goetze]
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;W[dc]
;B[pp]C[meuns [1k\]: bum for the 3rd place !
Faux [-\]: which is BUM? ^^
Backins [2k\]: Black is BUM
Faux [-\]: ty
bro [3d\]: bumbastic is going for win 
kidocup [?\]: before pop started his own game, he asked balogh how long he would take for move 5...
zazie [-\]: :)
kidocup [?\]: well he's not playing move 5, but seems there is a problem on move 4 :)
zazie [-\]: no problem, pal won't play the move 5 this time :)
kidocup [?\]: while we're waiting, i'd like to thank our sponsor, kido industrial co., for making this tournament possible
pebarefoot [-\]: yes indeed , some fairlyhigh level cmpetition here !
kidocup [?\]: they're all here for the prize money :)
kidocup [?\]: winner of this game gets 300 eur
pebarefoot [-\]: that sure helps !
guestly: well so far it looks in b favour
kidocup [?\]: 1st place is 800 euro and 2nd is 500 euro
guestly: he has more big points :)
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;W[od]C[kidocup [?\]: wow, what a fast move :)
Repacse [5k?\]: p16 is very common
Excalibor [-\]: nod... will black pincer at m16?
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;B[mc]C[kidocup [?\]: 4th place, btw, is being played out by fredrik blomback and benjamin teuber
grafzahl [8k?\]: q13 ?
kidocup [?\]: while stefan kaitschick and bram koster are competing for 5th place
bro [3d\]: bum´s clasic pincer :)
kidocup [?\]: very good showing by koster - he was only able to play because ilya shikshin didn't show up
Javaness [2d\]: what is wrong with palika? I am worried about him
kidocup [?\]: dunno... maybe visa problem?
loveHER [6d\]: i think he meant pal balogh not ilya
bro [3d\]: palika has problems with visa ? :D
Pig [3d\]: it´s play-off? I read, that it´s Swiss system
minismurf [-\]: how does it work with 3rd and 4th Kido, shouldnt the two players who lost semifinals play for 3rd?
Maroncsan [-\]: that would be kinda weird having visa probs to germany XD
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;W[qc]C[kidocup [?\]: no not quite... i think i can send you the diagram by mail if you want it
minismurf [-\]: please, if you don't mind would be interesting
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;B[rd]C[kidocup [?\]: ok i'll send it later
Dontpoke [-\]: s16 =o
Dontpoke [-\]: dont see that very often
bro [3d\]: maroncsan : well for hungarians not so surprising :) and definitely not for palika :P
bro [3d\]: bum´s classic joseki tester 
Maroncsan [-\]: he? common we are eu too :P
Maroncsan [-\]: or do i misu? O.o
Repacse [5k?\]: s16 is new for me, is it joseki ?
bro [3d\]: there EU and there is eu :)
bro [3d\]: *is
Maroncsan [-\]: XD :P 
bro [3d\]: s16 is joseki
bro [3d\]: kinda new (at least for me still new :)
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;W[ob]C[Dontpoke [-\]: yeah very unusual
Dontpoke [-\]: k17?
zazie [-\]: never seen P18
bro [3d\]: p18 normal
Ulath [-\]: looks like a nice shape
Uberdude [5d?\]: http://www.361points.com/articles/27/1/
Uberdude [5d?\]: article about s16
Dontpoke [-\]: =\]
Syptryn [3d\]: woa
bro [3d\]: Uberdude, I´ve read it few times and still Im somewhat confused by this situation :)
Syptryn [3d\]: I'm not familiar with this joseki
bro [3d\]: but good article for sure
Syptryn [3d\]: if it is even joseki
Uberdude [5d?\]: i tihnk here sente is most important
Uberdude [5d?\]: get empty corner
bro [3d\]: you´re right
Repacse [5k?\]: but isn`t r16 heavy if black tenuki`s ?
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;B[qb]C[Dontpoke [-\]: really dont like r18l
Dontpoke [-\]: looks really small
Dontpoke [-\]: rather play k17 or take corner
Uberdude [5d?\]: b is planning on being agressive 
Uberdude [5d?\]: if w l17
Uberdude [5d?\]: i guess he will n16
bro [3d\]: wow they play slow
Uberdude [5d?\]: i wonder if my lunch will be ready before the next move
goedeljp [1k\]: q16
bro [3d\]: :)
Javaness [2d\]: was this normal for pal balogh, to sometimes have games were he cannot play any moves
goedeljp [1k\]: k17
Uberdude [5d?\]: is this the real pal balogh?
Uberdude [5d?\]: he normally blitzes
bro [3d\]: he has his own rhytm
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;W[pd]C[Javaness [2d\]: apparantly he lost his rhythm
goedeljp [1k\]: s17
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;B[rc]
;W[pf]
;B[qg]C[Repacse [5k?\]: l16 
GoShinobi [-\]: l17
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;W[kc]C[Syptryn [3d\]: D-5!
Syptryn [3d\]: take da corner alrdy
kidocup [?\]: maybe he would if he were here...
bro [3d\]: bum´s classic smoking pause on 15th move :)
Dontpoke [-\]: bum is jan simara? =o
Dontpoke [-\]: didnt know that
Dontpoke [-\]: met him at egc =\]
Dontpoke [-\]: i think w has the edge
GoShinobi [-\]: c4
bro [3d\]: I think if black takes the corner (c5, d5, or anywhere there :) the game is fine
bro [3d\]: or how about super agresivo kakari at upper left :)
Dontpoke [-\]: show w that b can be agressive aswell? :P
bro [3d\]: yes :))
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;B[nc]C[Dontpoke [-\]: :O
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;W[oc]
;B[me]C[Dontpoke [-\]: gues corner will remain empty for a while
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;W[pg]
;B[qh]
;W[ph]
;B[pi]
;W[oi]
;B[pj]C[Dontpoke [-\]: BOO!
ChradH [?\]: *chrrrrr* - Wha...!?
kidocup [?\]: i just showed mr. baek 9p the game records, he went through this one quite a bit more slowly than the other one ;)
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;W[mg]C[grafzahl [8k?\]: hm time?
Korea4K [2d\]: L16 strong move
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;B[kd]
;W[jc]C[Korea4K [2d\]: K16
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;B[lc]C[loveHER [6d\]: l14 
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;W[jd]
;B[ke]
;W[kg]
;B[je]
;W[ie]C[Syptryn [3d\]: woa
Syptryn [3d\]: they still haven't played last corner
Syptryn [3d\]: kik
Syptryn [3d\]: lol
Dontpoke [-\]: b will prob end up playing in leftunder corner in sente as ladderbreaker
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;B[jg]
;W[if]
;B[jf]
;W[oj]
;B[ok]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]C[loveHER [6d\]: k11 
ChradH [?\]: How much time left?
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;W[qq]C[kidocup [?\]: cant see it from here :)
ManMachine [1k\]: isnt r3 too early?
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;B[qp]
;W[pq]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: nah
Uberdude [5d?\]: if he gets the normal var
Uberdude [5d?\]: in sente
Uberdude [5d?\]: i like w
Uberdude [5d?\]: studying pros i find they 3-3 quite early
Dontpoke [-\]: lmao he played 3-3before taking the corner haha
Uberdude [5d?\]: when you are 20k and you learn the 3-3 under 4-4 joseki everyone says "don't do this early"
Uberdude [5d?\]: then you see pro games where they practically 3-3 a san ren sei
Uberdude [5d?\]: (though kobayashi did get some criticism from other pros for that)
Dontpoke [-\]: kobayashi is hardcore
tapkopi: maybe w r4 instead of r3?
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;B[rq]
;W[rr]
;B[rp]
;W[nq]
;B[op]C[tapkopi: right side seems quite big for b like this
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;W[re]C[kidocup [?\]: balogh has used 70 minutes, simara about 50
pebarefoot [-\]: playing pretty slow
kidocup [?\]: in other news, lutz franke lost against bernd schuetze
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;B[rg]
;W[qe]
;B[se]
;W[nk]
;B[ol]
;W[hh]
;B[ji]
;W[li]
;B[df]
;W[ee]C[Dontpoke [-\]: the corner is stil open to any takers
Dontpoke [-\]: d5?
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;B[cd]
;W[cc]
;B[ef]
;W[fe]
;B[dd]
;W[ed]C[danigabi [5d\]: macisajt vs flashback!
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;B[ch]C[danigabi [5d\]: c12 looks bad suji..
danigabi [5d\]: w will get b16 sente
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;W[mr]
;B[cp]
;W[eq]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: indeed
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;B[do]C[Uberdude [5d?\]: well, not necessarily sent
Uberdude [5d?\]: as to answer would suck
Uberdude [5d?\]: but the shape is unsatisfactory
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;W[gp]C[danigabi [5d\]: well in yose it will :)
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;B[dq]
;W[ep]
;B[dr]
;W[nl]C[danigabi [5d\]: sizeable territory
danigabi [5d\]: can b live with L18?
kidocup [?\]: blomback wins against teuber, and thus takes 4th place
Uberdude [5d?\]: gogo freddo
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;B[om]
;W[cj]
;B[cl]C[BigPlunder [3k\]: hier ist das zugucken viel netter als irl und die luft ist auch viel besser
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;W[ej]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[bd]
;W[bh]C[Dontpoke [-\]: time?
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;B[bg]
;W[el]C[kidocup [?\]: balogh seems much more interested in the other game, keeps going over there
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;B[ij]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[il]
;B[kb]
;W[jb]
;B[la]
;W[er]
;B[lq]
;W[np]
;B[lo]
;W[oo]
;B[pn]
;W[jq]
;B[jp]
;W[ip]
;B[jo]
;W[kq]
;B[lr]
;W[kp]
;B[lp]C[WujekSad [3d?\]: n6 ?
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;W[ko]
;B[mn]
;W[sr]
;B[kn]
;W[jn]
;B[km]
;W[jm]C[chong [4k\]: o14?
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;B[kk]
;W[ll]
;B[kl]
;W[pb]C[gogadget [5k\]: c6 
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;B[rb]
;W[lk]
;B[lh]C[Naysmith [1d\]: palika likes to check other games on tourneys
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;W[mh]C[kidocup [?\]: simara in byoyomi
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;B[ki]
;W[kj]
;B[jj]
;W[lj]C[Dontpoke [-\]: h9
Mot [3k\]: who won the other board please ?
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;B[jl]C[kidocup [?\]: pop
Mot [3k\]: thx
Excalibor [-\]: white, Pop
Excalibor [-\]: by black's resignation
Naysmith [1d\]: who did he play?
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;W[hm]C[Excalibor [-\]: Silt
Naysmith [1d\]: oh
chong [4k\]: why black needs to connect?
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;B[no]
;W[oq]
;B[es]
;W[fs]
;B[ds]
;W[bm]
;B[cm]
;W[bl]
;B[bn]
;W[ck]C[Dontpoke [-\]: k1
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;B[ec]C[saimic [3k\]: isnt k2 better?
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;W[eb]C[Ben10 [5k\]: just kids in this cup?
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;B[bi]
;W[gr]C[Naysmith [1d\]: depends on your definition
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;B[ja]C[Jazzman [1d\]: we are alle kids of some one, aren't we?
Sandmann [-\]: no religion please
twold [2k\]: not me, i am a clone
Jazzman [1d\]: it's more bilogy
Naysmith [1d\]: where did you see religion?! o.O
Sandmann [-\]: :p
Jazzman [1d\]: *biology
Ben10 [5k\]: Sandman is drunk
kidocup [?\]: balogh in byoyomi
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;W[ib]
;B[ia]
;W[ha]
;B[ka]
;W[ma]
;B[lb]
;W[hc]
;B[ab]
;W[ba]C[twold [2k\]: no k1? :-(
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;B[fc]
;W[fb]C[Ben10 [5k\]: k2
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;B[fn]C[twold [2k\]: i don't like k2
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;W[nn]
;B[mo]
;W[nm]
;B[on]C[Ben10 [5k\]: i like
Ben10 [5k\]: 1st line is for losers
twold [2k\]: contact move is ;-)
Ben10 [5k\]: lol
kidocup [?\]: dear me... dickhut lost all his games :-O
twold [2k\]: i don't like k2 because if you want it to be sente, you also have to l2 a you lose ko threat
twold [2k\]: with k1 j2 exchange you still have j6 threat
Sandmann [-\]: ouch
Naysmith [1d\]: k1 j2 is the simplest
twold [2k\]: not only simplest. it's best :-)
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;W[bo]C[Naysmith [1d\]: well... there is j1 also
Jazzman [1d\]: b2 seems huge
Dontpoke [-\]: j1 gote?
twold [2k\]: j1 gote. how is that good?
Naysmith [1d\]: not gote
Dontpoke [-\]: yes gote?
Naysmith [1d\]: j1 j2 l1 h1 tenuki
Naysmith [1d\]: mmm... 1 pt worse than j1 in this case
Dontpoke [-\]: with k1 you get j1 anyway
kidocup [?\]: may as well play l1 directly then
twold [2k\]: yes, so no good :-P
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;B[an]C[Naysmith [1d\]: yes
Dontpoke [-\]: if you tenuki you have a chance of losing points?
Dontpoke [-\]: with k1 you havent
Naysmith [1d\]: in this very situation - yes
Syptryn [3d\]: j2
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;W[dn]C[Naysmith [1d\]: j2 l2 ?
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;B[cn]
;W[eo]
;B[en]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ?
Syptryn [3d\]: don't understand
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;W[sf]C[twold [2k\]: you told a move, he gave you an answer. you're supposed to give counter-answer
Dontpoke [-\]: looks like a ko thrst ::P
Dontpoke [-\]: threat
Syptryn [3d\]: l1 atari
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;B[sg]
;W[sd]C[Syptryn [3d\]: then tenuki
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;B[sc]
;W[lm]C[twold [2k\]: L1 is not atari lool
Naysmith [1d\]: w reads deeply
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;B[ln]
;W[co]C[Syptryn [3d\]: oops I said j2?
Syptryn [3d\]: my bad lol
Syptryn [3d\]: k2 :P
kidocup [?\]: and now new stones
twold [2k\]: lol
Syptryn [3d\]: misread column
Naysmith [1d\]: haha, k2 is a lot different :)
twold [2k\]: still, k2 bad, loses ko threat :-P
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;B[dp]
;W[dm]C[twold [2k\]: and if tenuki, points
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;B[dl]
;W[em]
;B[dk]
;W[ek]
;B[dj]
;W[di]
;B[bp]C[Syptryn [3d\]: so u prefer k1?
twold [2k\]: who wouldn't? :-)
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;W[ci]C[twold [2k\]: such a cute little move :-)
Naysmith [1d\]: apparently, he wouldn't :)
twold [2k\]: well, with his j2 i am not surprised :-D
Syptryn [3d\]: k1 okay I guess, but I prefer k2, tenuki, then come back and h2 as biggest gote
Dontpoke [-\]: b10 only move =[
bro [3d\]: k2 j2 k1 discussion is crucial for this game :)
JanHao [3d?\]: Is the black big dead?
JanHao [3d?\]: big group?
twold [2k\]: it sure is, bro :-)
TsuQ [6k\]: connected
JanHao [3d?\]: ah, sorry
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;B[ff]
;W[dh]
;B[cg]C[alizeee: a9
Dontpoke [-\]: no comment
ekekek: j9
ekekek: omg
ekekek: it's so obvious
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;W[gj]C[ekekek: lmao
Syptryn [3d\]: b-10
Naysmith [1d\]: hehe
chong [4k\]: game over?
Syptryn [3d\]: double sente, play it!
ekekek: j9 how is that bad
Naysmith [1d\]: "don't play 1-2-3, play 3"
ekekek: b10 was big
]
;B[ge]
;W[gd]
;B[de]
;W[fd]C[alizeee: white win?
]
;B[hd]
;W[gc]
;B[fh]
;W[bj]
;B[ah]C[Syptryn [3d\]: what the
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;W[fi]
;B[he]
;W[id]C[Syptryn [3d\]: black didn't take doube sente?
Syptryn [3d\]: lol
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;B[hf]
;W[hg]
;B[gf]
;W[ik]
;B[jk]C[tapkopi: looks like cutting off e6 stones decided game for w
greenrat [4k\]: w wins
]
;W[kr]
;B[nf]
;W[ng]C[Mikki62 [2k\]: who won?
greenrat [4k\]: stil playing
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;B[ls]C[Syptryn [3d\]: black looked good till yose
]
;W[am]
;B[ao]C[Mikki62 [2k\]: 1st place.... I mean
greenrat [4k\]: popicu
Naysmith [1d\]: pop
Mikki62 [2k\]: thx
]
;W[of]C[Mikki62 [2k\]: can I see the game somehow?
]
;B[eh]C[Dontpoke [-\]: options -> clone game
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;W[ei]C[alizeee: black in center dosnt make two eye
yangweng [15k\]: how u look ==
Mikki62 [2k\]: the pop game I mean
greenrat [4k\]: p5 makes him free
alizeee: oh
kidocup [?\]: counting
Dontpoke [-\]: o.0
bro [3d\]: res :(
kidocup [?\]: looks like he's considering it
kidocup [?\]: black resigns
kidocup [?\]: balogh takes third place
bro [3d\]: hm :(
alizeee: w win?
greenrat [4k\]: y
kidocup [?\]: thanks for watching
Naysmith [1d\]: pop, silt, balogh it is
vor09 [4d\]: thx kidocup
kidocup [?\]: yes, 4th is blomback
bro [3d\]: gratulatok for palika
Mot [3k\]: thx kido
kidocup [?\]: and 5th is stefan kaitschick
kidocup [?\]: buhbye :)
greenrat [4k\]: but simara?
kidocup [?\]: simara 6th
greenrat [4k\]: a
kidocup [?\]: best place of those with 2 wins
greenrat [4k\]: thanks
Maroncsan [-\]: :) 
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