(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[60]OT[1x30 byo-yomi] GN[European Team Championship 2009 Romania1 vs Romania2]PW[Catalin Taranu]PB[Daniel Cioata]WR[5p]BR[5d]DT[2009-10-10]EV[European Team Championship 2009]RO[2]PC[Pitesti, Romania]US[HW9x9] ;B[dp]C[rhuin [7k\]: is there video feed! xDragon [12k\]: who are the teams EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, and see top xDragon [12k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 xDragon [12k\]: video feed xDragon [12k\]: oh i get it. teams = countries? NateC [2d\]: I always knew Romania2 would eventually secede from the country EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pop is looking for catalin aussiemate [8k\]: did he lose him? xDragon [12k\]: how strong are the other players at the tbl, approx? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: kgs 9d EuroGoTV1 [-\]: vs kgs 6d xDragon [12k\]: all of em? aussiemate [8k\]: very slow players EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9d on the left aussiemate [8k\]: wearing a red belt rhuin [7k\]: cant even see the board in the video rhuin [7k\]: sucks xDragon [12k\]: man that looks like a sight. so many ppl EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i can see the board Gimpyjoe [3k\]: thank goodness lanchow [12k\]: is this game live ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes rhuin [7k\]: o they moved the camera rhuin [7k\]: or something rhuin [7k\]: i can see it now xDragon [12k\]: oh theres pop xDragon [12k\]: wonder if he found catalin Troff [?\]: Is this Rengo? or a 3v3 team match? rhuin [7k\]: noones at the table EuroGoTV1 [-\]: pop= sollaris on kgs EuroGoTV1 [-\]: solaris france04 [8k\]: lets start xDragon [12k\]: well france why don tyou go to the event, find the players, and put glue on their chairs EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we are waiting for the president of the Romanian Go federation france04 [8k\]: i know that x dragon france04 [8k\]: is that the first move? france04 [8k\]: d4? xDragon [12k\]: yes xDragon [12k\]: there they are ] ;W[pq] ;B[pd]C[Soulzityr [25k\]: no commentary? france04 [8k\]: yes ] ;W[dd] ;B[po]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sound ok? ] ;W[qm]C[Soulzityr [25k\]: there is sound? lanchow [12k\]: of course Soulzityr [25k\]: i dont hear anything EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and picture Soulzityr [25k\]: where do you see the video and commentary? xDragon [12k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 xDragon [12k\]: no commentary xDragon [12k\]: but video ] ;B[qq]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 xDragon [12k\]: is there a highway like right behind the camera EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: big road ] ;W[om]C[xDragon [12k\]: sounds like it EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but becaus it is such a nice weather, the windows are open ] ;B[pp]C[Easytude [7k\]: oh ! i don't know about this move ] ;W[oq] ;B[rp] ;W[no] ;B[qg]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: weird move. anyone to comment? ] ;W[fq] ;B[cn]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so sound is ok^^ ] ;W[dr]C[xDragon [12k\]: yea. the stream is a bit choppy tho EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have put in on 7 frames a second jojo1 [8k\]: 2 borden vandaag? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: instead of the normal 25 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no 2 boards EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just 1 jojo1 [8k\]: ? xDragon [12k\]: 25 would be nice jojo1 [8k\]: lekker dan EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the bandwidth is not enough minismurf [-\]: unusual move, but w expecting to win, so playing relatively freely ¨¨ PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah. me2. sound is ok but video is like a very cheap survilance camera ] ;B[hq]C[jojo1 [8k\]: alles voor niks meegenomen EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ja PAUCHOK [?\]: ja means yes? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes zeb [2k\]: should have answered "ja" EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, ja is for my girlfriend zeb [2k\]: is it just me, or does w have a serious weakness at p4? jojo1 [8k\]: 8-) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is now 16 frames/second, do you notice the difference? PAUCHOK [?\]: is it its max? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no PAUCHOK [?\]: max usually better Easytude [7k\]: it seems that catalin jumps at f5 NateC [2d\]: zeb, looks like a simple trade-off of territory verse influence PAUCHOK [?\]: set it on max xDragon [12k\]: a bit less choppy it appears EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but it has no use sending more frames if the bandwidth cant handle it PAUCHOK [?\]: hmm.. baned4life: The white shape on the lower right only works if black tries to punish it early on xDragon [12k\]: couple moves were made france04 [8k\]: m3 france04 [8k\]: b m3 opabinia [3k?\]: There are two Romanias? xDragon [12k\]: f5 l3 looks like ] (;W[cq] ;B[kq]C[xDragon [12k\]: missed f5 for w ] ;W[fo]C[Easytude [7k\]: f5 first ]) (;W[fo] ;B[kq] ;W[cq]C[xDragon [12k\]: yea thats it ] ;B[ck] ;W[mq]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is now on 23 frames/second xDragon [12k\]: those are some big bottles ] ;B[ko] ;W[jc] ;B[cf] ;W[fd] ;B[bd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is the tv stream ok now? opabinia [3k?\]: Is Cornel playing? xDragon [12k\]: still pretty choppy baned4life: It is choppy but it could be my connection xDragon [12k\]: but better than it was i think jojo1 [8k\]: ik zie geen verschil PAUCHOK [?\]: mm.. it made some diff. a bit faster but still not perfect as expected ] ;W[qc]C[aussiemate [8k\]: whar did Jojo say? PAUCHOK [?\]: ik zie geen verschil EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol opabinia [3k?\]: "I think I'm a woman." PAUCHOK [?\]: was it not clear the first time? woidler [6k?\]: white looks a little nervous.. opabinia [3k?\]: (reference to song, not an insult) jojo1 [8k\]: i don t see any difference ZothOmmog [4k\]: vidi veni giggidy ] ;B[qd]C[aussiemate [8k\]: I thought that's what he said ] ;W[pc] ;B[oc] ;W[ob] ;B[nb]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: o18 PAUCHOK [?\]: refresh the window ] ;W[nc] ;B[od] ;W[mb] ;B[pb] ;W[na] ;B[qb]C[sidetop: where we can see the partial results? ] ;W[qi]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: shaved her legs then he was a she ] ;B[cc] ;W[dc]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: b looks in bad shape opabinia [3k?\]: http://www.shusaku.ro/eeurogoteam.html# PAUCHOK [?\]: interesting but after h3 move game looks kinda predictible Gimpyjoe [3k\]: why do you say that zoth? ZothOmmog [4k\]: just lots of weakness ] ;B[rn]C[bro [3d\]: hi, is there pairing of this round or at least results of last round somewhere? ] ;W[rm]C[Gimpyjoe [3k\]: example plz PAUCHOK [?\]: lots of weakness? rly? weak groups or what? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: psychelogical weaknesses^^ ma [4k?\]: probably too solid baned4life: c12 will destroy black PAUCHOK [?\]: yeah, pride will eat him zeb [2k\]: lol solid ' weakness now? ZothOmmog [4k\]: l3 group has lots on invasion points seku [-\]: will that weak group of black's die? ma [4k?\]: I was kidding baned4life: black is thin on the left ZothOmmog [4k\]: and c12 xDragon [12k\]: that pop game looks interesting zeb [2k\]: but... c11 or c12?? Gimpyjoe [3k\]: b has more solid points zeb [2k\]: how can w choose between them?? ZothOmmog [4k\]: i pick white 75% to win opabinia [3k?\]: Romania team 5 is the prison team. Gimpyjoe [3k\]: 75% is hardly overwhelmig baned4life: The weak player always has more territory in the fuseki ] ;B[dh] ;W[dj] ;B[dk] ;W[fj]C[ma [4k?\]: really? Gimpyjoe [3k\]: the winning player always has more territory in counting seku [-\]: i always root for black. If white is for strenght, then black is for free stones. I like having free stones. Therefore i root for black. PAUCHOK [?\]: I root for the weaker player usually ] ;B[di] ;W[ek] ;B[cj] ;W[ho] ;B[fr]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: No way. Territory is the best. GameFAQs [2d\]: I'm late. ~_~ ZothOmmog [4k\]: f2 good ] ;W[gr] ;B[gq] (;W[er]) (;W[hr]C[Kuros [6k\]: k Gimpyjoe [3k\]: p11 p13 type move going to be played or will they be too busy with 'fights' and such??? ] ;B[fp] ;W[eq]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: It's a small area for now, since both sides are very secure. ] ;B[ir]C[baned4life: modern go is more territorial but this doesnt mean you should tell your opponent in the fuseki directly where you want to play ] ;W[er]C[baned4life: This is blacks mistake Gimpyjoe [3k\]: hmm Gimpyjoe [3k\]: now the game is about e9 group? GameFAQs [2d\]: At a decent level no one is going to be mystified at your next move. opabinia [3k?\]: I think modern go is less terrirotiral. GameFAQs [2d\]: Both players can see the big areas. ZothOmmog [4k\]: not true GameFAQs [2d\]: It's not any kind of secret. ZothOmmog [4k\]: its a big secret opabinia [3k?\]: What isn't Zoth, what I said or FAQs? ] ;B[ep] ;W[gp] ;B[ip]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: mystified ZothOmmog [4k\]: happens TorcpU [22k\]: :O no time limit opabinia [3k?\]: There is. baned4life: Takemiya and Mok Jin Seok are two moyo players and they arnt able to win against the top players in recent games opabinia [3k?\]: b4l; PM me if you want to discuss this. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 GameFAQs [2d\]: Not in general area plays. ZothOmmog [4k\]: obamania? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi artem! GameFAQs [2d\]: No one is wondering, "will he play against the shimari or against his already thick shape? Clare [1d\]: this looks funny Eaprill [8k\]: ya GameFAQs [2d\]: The next area is easy. Clare [1d\]: black has alot of easy living groups ] ;W[km]C[baned4life: L3 not alive and R3 is another question mark zeb [2k\]: I like l7! GameFAQs [2d\]: R3 is pretty alive. >_> Gimpyjoe [3k\]: go is such a funny game, a home run might go unnoticed for several innings >< ZothOmmog [4k\]: like i said, l3 weak baned4life: no there is a ko fight Eaprill [8k\]: r3 is secured GameFAQs [2d\]: Black can T2 if he's low on threats. Clare [1d\]: corner vs center SunnyD [2d\]: K12!!!!!!!!!!! Gimpyjoe [3k\]: k12??? TorcpU [22k\]: thats waste of time :D ZothOmmog [4k\]: k10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Gelya [8k\]: g6 !!ъ xDragon [12k\]: more exclamation points make your point more valid ZothOmmog [4k\]: lol daniels [25k?\]: hehe zeb [2k\]: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ZothOmmog [4k\]: iiiiiiiiiiiii Kayres [13k\]: you got it ;) ZothOmmog [4k\]: oops, i was hanging upsidedown daniels [25k?\]: the game is still the same if you look upside down ^^ xDragon [12k\]: b laughing at his predicament? ZothOmmog [4k\]: if he is buhdist daniels [25k?\]: I think black is having a coffee-break!? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 artem92 [7d\]: hi Harry :) SunnyD [2d\]: juice break.... Gimpyjoe [3k\]: does the live tx broadcast tell us any about their time use? ZothOmmog [4k\]: is b puking? Clare [1d\]: hi John :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: how are, and why arnt you here? Eaprill [8k\]: i think black is screwed jolieg [4k\]: who is winning? Gelya [8k\]: hi artem :) nhhm [2d\]: w's eyes are focusing on the right-top side ] ;B[nn]C[artem92 [7d\]: just can't go to all tournaments :) TorcpU [22k\]: a move :D EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ ] ;W[on] ;B[jm]C[nhhm [2d\]: b's eyes are focusing on the right-bottom side Clare [1d\]: thats right Clare [1d\]: artem = romenian? xDragon [12k\]: ukranian opabinia [3k?\]: No. Ukrainian. SunnyD [2d\]: prize?????? xDragon [12k\]: meh, spelling schmelling PAUCHOK [?\]: what's romenian? ZothOmmog [4k\]: gypsy bro [3d\]: artem: thats so easy told, but right :) artem92 [7d\]: :) Botryoidal [-\]: PAU, Romainian Gimpyjoe [3k\]: anyone know if prodigious5d(ish) is there? Soulzityr [25k\]: why would black play at o6? Soulzityr [25k\]: i see no benefit opabinia [3k?\]: There are a couple of Finnish teams. jolieg [4k\]: o4 xDragon [12k\]: i doubt it ZothOmmog [4k\]: j5 SunnyD [2d\]: o6 ladder breaker for K12 invasion PAUCHOK [?\]: :) good. it's a little disrespectful to misspell a country or a nation I think xDragon [12k\]: prodigious has a teaching game with dinerchtein soon seku [-\]: where is this tournament? xDragon [12k\]: couple hours GameFAQs [2d\]: Later, when black plays O6, white may respond at N6, or not at all. xDragon [12k\]: maybe he squeeze it in between rounds aussiemate [8k\]: here xDragon [12k\]: this tournament in romania baned4life: Why isnt artem playing here? GameFAQs [2d\]: The idea is make white isolate the stone _now_, while it's still worth something, and then later use its potential. Botryoidal [-\]: baned, you could ask him. baned4life: oh never mind GameFAQs [2d\]: Kind of a difficult concept. baned4life: He lives in the ukrain now PAUCHOK [?\]: artem92 [7d\]: just can't go to all tournaments :) Clare [1d\]: you explained it in a way that only 2d can understand it SunnyD [2d\]: uk rains a lot??? aussiemate [8k\]: aji is always difficult to use Kuros [6k\]: you get the stone there in sente to possibly use later ZothOmmog [4k\]: thats why i back up my aji with a glock aussiemate [8k\]: a glock? GameFAQs [2d\]: LOL. opabinia [3k?\]: Gun. GameFAQs [2d\]: >_< mach1 [-\]: can we please keep conversation related to the game ZothOmmog [4k\]: isnt it great to own a gun? GameFAQs [2d\]: Clare is right, but I'd ask Clare to do better. ZothOmmog [4k\]: and n5 xDragon [12k\]: here comes the bold opabinia [3k?\]: Bold and beautiful. Gelya [8k\]: Catalin Taranu is 5p??? Gelya [8k\]: or 5d opabinia [3k?\]: 5p ZothOmmog [4k\]: catalin sounds spanishy baned4life: But not real pro though Clare [1d\]: 5p vs 5d? p is a rank for teachers no? baned4life: Didnt win a pro tournament EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not real?? Gelya [8k\]: then why 5p? Borders [2d\]: well romanian is a romance language family isn't it? PAUCHOK [?\]: p is just a backward upside-down d TorcpU [22k\]: p is rank for professional :P Clare [1d\]: 5p equals 5d? 1p equals 1d? haha rjm [5k\]: he earned 5p in Japan... how not real? baned4life: To my knowledge EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ah rjm [5k\]: he earned 5p through the oteai ZothOmmog [4k\]: romanian is not romance i think Botryoidal [-\]: Not at all, Borders. rjm [5k\]: he's a real pro sidetop: he is a real pro, a strong one opabinia [3k?\]: I want to choke everyone who says taranu and dinerchtein are not real pros. TorcpU [22k\]: not a fake ksg 7d Gelya [8k\]: so why he playing 5d evenly? ZothOmmog [4k\]: i hear the closest language to romanian is some south east native american language Botryoidal [-\]: EuroGo, any chance you could relay the time, please? opabinia [3k?\]: It is a tourney, Gelya. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W 31 minutes left aussiemate [8k\]: shh PAUCHOK [?\]: oh please let's not start a "real pro" talk. that's a killa baned4life: romanian language is derived from latin EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 37 Botryoidal [-\]: Thank you kindly. Gelya [8k\]: then why he is in tournament?) baned4life: it looks close to spanish albundy [2k\]: Romania = Land of Roman ZothOmmog [4k\]: so whats italy? opabinia [3k?\]: Why not, Gelya? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is European Botryoidal [-\]: Gelya, pro is not above dan. It is a title. aussiemate [8k\]: Italy is land of Itals Gelya [8k\]: i thougnt pros cant play in tourns Borders [2d\]: so who are the teams ? ] ;W[jn]C[Calwen72 [?\]: http://www.shusaku.ro/eurogostat.html ] ;B[kn] ;W[jo]C[opabinia [3k?\]: Pros play in tournaments all the time. -_- Clare [1d\]: heh Clare [1d\]: this looks benneficial for black Ranye [7k\]: in which country catalin has recieved his pro title? Gelya [8k\]: is it an amateur tournament? Empiror [5d\]: can EU certify its pro now? opabinia [3k?\]: Japan. rjm [5k\]: Japan PAUCHOK [?\]: I got a question tho.. in which tournament Asian or European should Russia participate? william93 [20k\]: E xDragon [12k\]: europe opabinia [3k?\]: Russia is part of EGF baned4life: So where can I find the tournament that catalin won to become a pro? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: both xDragon [12k\]: siberia is the part in russia xDragon [12k\]: in asia* EuroGoTV1 [-\]: more chances Clare [1d\]: Catalin Taranu sounds oldddd... PAUCHOK [?\]: EuroGoTV1? Empiror [5d\]: Russia wisely chooses EGF ... GameFAQs [2d\]: I'm sure he gained rank by playing in the Oteai. shika12 [-\]: wasn't Oteai eliminated? MaLa [2d\]: sure, like all the european pros did :D xDragon [12k\]: most of the population is in the european part of russia anyway Gelya [8k\]: m7 l8 p5 baned4life: But where can I find those games GameFAQs [2d\]: The Oteai was eliminated in 2003. Empiror [5d\]: china and south korea have pack of young amaters who are at strong pro level... Botryoidal [-\]: Google is a good place to start, banned. GameFAQs [2d\]: Catalin Taranu was 5d by 2001. GameFAQs [2d\]: So, no problem. baned4life: I think lee se dol can give 2 stones to catalin Empiror [5d\]: only 2? PAUCHOK [?\]: only stones? MaLa [2d\]: thinking, if he really won a tournament to become pro is an evenbetter idea to start :) TorcpU [22k\]: a ksg 5d cuoldn't do much here :P TAPJoshua [4k\]: se dol is a genius Botryoidal [-\]: Shhh, there are KGS 5d about Medice [4d\]: t_t ] ;B[kp]C[TorcpU [22k\]: oops sry Botryoidal [-\]: And they have feelings too opabinia [3k?\]: /consoles Medice with alcohol Medice [4d\]: i dont drink ] ;W[lm]C[opabinia [3k?\]: /consoles Medice with cranberry juice Medice [4d\]: whee Empiror [5d\]: kgs rank is nothing TorcpU [22k\]: yep PAUCHOK [?\]: eh? so no difference between 22k and 5d? xDragon [12k\]: none TorcpU [22k\]: I dont mean that :P MaLa [2d\]: don't belittle the e-penis! TorcpU [22k\]: ofc it tells inside kgs baned4life: lots of fake 3 dans on kgs Kuros [6k\]: downplaying your rank to make everyone 10+ stones weaker than yourself feel hopelessly inferior is everything Empiror [5d\]: w is better opabinia [3k?\]: So it goes from "Taranu is not a real pro" to "KGS rank means nothing"... I wish Taranu was on B so we can have that infamous question be asked and complete the all-star kibitz topic line-up. Clare [1d\]: j5 looks like a killer jojo1 [8k\]: kan je me de link even geven baned4life: j5 falls for the trap Empiror [5d\]: where does catalin got his pro rank? ] ;B[io]C[MaLa [2d\]: japan jojo1 [8k\]: japan zeb [2k\]: what trap? TorcpU [22k\]: well if it was trap baned4life: Captalin is very strong but I dont think he would try his luck against the top players TorcpU [22k\]: here it comes Empiror [5d\]: japan has dozens of 9p who will lose h3 games to top pros jojo1 [8k\]: har opabinia [3k?\]: ... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: moet je niet werken? Medice [4d\]: japan has dozens of 9ps then? baned4life: japan has 300 pros jojo1 [8k\]: ja 10.00 uur wil je me weg hebben .kan je me de link even geven EuroGoTV1 [-\]: welke? baned4life: so maybe its not that great to be a pro from japan jojo1 [8k\]: zet ik hem op smoelenboek bro [3d\]: Catalin would definitely try his luck against top pros, whou wouldn´t ? :) Empiror [5d\]: japan has more 9ps than the rest of world combined... Ranye [7k\]: i will lose h3 game to top pro jojo1 [8k\]: euogoenzo ] ;W[im]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: then 9p must not mean much in japan baned4life: because in the japan system you only go up in rank baned4life: So just keep on playing and you become a 9 dan jojo1 [8k\]: voor deze uitzending ZothOmmog [4k\]: lame MaLa [2d\]: in which other prosystem you can go down? MaLa [2d\]: :) Empiror [5d\]: 9p rank means a good pension i guess? opabinia [3k?\]: Keep playing and winning, baned, go away you troll. baned4life: If you win a pro tournament then you auto 9 dan ZothOmmog [4k\]: pro futball EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Empiror [5d\]: w is definitely stronger than b ] ;B[hn]C[Medice [4d\]: well, white center is coming along pretty nice .. baned4life: h6 so silly PAUCHOK [?\]: it doesn't show that much now does it? ZothOmmog [4k\]: h6 angry move Pinguschaf [5d?\]: why silly Empiror [5d\]: they shouldn't play an even game baned4life: too slow opabinia [3k?\]: I don't see much of a center happening, Medic. Medice [4d\]: seems perfectly valid ot me Pinguschaf [5d?\]: black is not alive lower side Pinguschaf [5d?\]: no choice PAUCHOK [?\]: why not h6 ? I like it jojo1 [8k\]: te gek ik krijg er gelijk een logo bij EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ? Pik [1k?\]: where are results from 1st round? TAPJoshua [4k\]: w could just take at K8 and then play P12 to try to make a center,thought b would probably jump in around G12 ] ;W[jl] ;B[gn]C[TAPJoshua [4k\]: seems like he did Gimpyjoe [3k\]: i got too much mustard when I went to get mustard for my pretzals :( PAUCHOK [?\]: man, I hate that these tourneys are always at bad EST time ] ;W[fg]C[igaz: m opabinia [3k?\]: EDT* PAUCHOK [?\]: gonna stay up all night EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Botryoidal [-\]: There is your middle, opa TorcpU [22k\]: its morning here :) xDragon [12k\]: id move to europe just to watch go tourneys on here TAPJoshua [4k\]: P12 xDragon [12k\]: at a decent hour ZothOmmog [4k\]: m12 opabinia [3k?\]: I'm skeptical, center never looks big to me. TAPJoshua [4k\]: P12 looks big Ranye [7k\]: k13 TAPJoshua [4k\]: N13 TAPJoshua [4k\]: well any jump xDragon [12k\]: looks like n15 was played ZothOmmog [4k\]: b needs more to win ] ;B[me] ;W[rc] ;B[rb]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: o16 PAUCHOK [?\]: like a total nerd at 3 et demi in the morning I'm watching a go game... None of my friends understand any of this Empiror [5d\]: big or small is relative ...b doesn't have many pts ... TAPJoshua [4k\]: aji usage Pinguschaf [5d?\]: n15 is better at o16 i believe Empiror [5d\]: an easy game for w ] ;W[rf]C[TAPJoshua [4k\]: true O16 does look better ThunderGod [4d\]: does anybody know with whom the hungarian team plays? ZothOmmog [4k\]: ahhhhh Borders [2d\]: does cioata play on kgs ? opabinia [3k?\]: True, I just took Medic's "pretty nice" to mean a million points. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: at least u have friends sidetop: looks pretty good for w opabinia [3k?\]: i am your friend, EGTV. TorcpU [22k\]: i've noticed that no-one I know is any intrested at all in "Go".. seems like im the only one within my friend/family group ZothOmmog [4k\]: w even easier game EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ ] ;B[qf]C[Empiror [5d\]: is EGTV a TV? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: TV bot Medice [4d\]: he's a radio opabinia [3k?\]: Go radio wouldn't work well. Pinguschaf [5d?\]: s14 is somewhat strange timing Botryoidal [-\]: IT is TV on the internet as told by a person. It seems perverse to me. Empiror [5d\]: i wish i have a tv bot who can skip commercials on its own mind Borders [2d\]: that would be like listening to deer hunting on the radio Pinguschaf [5d?\]: the strength of black directed to the centers is mroe worth than the points for now opabinia [3k?\]: Haha. B plays k10 (20 minutes later) W resigns. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all commercials are skipped on EuroGoTV Empiror [5d\]: nice ] ;W[ke]C[TAPJoshua [4k\]: b doesnt shouldnt care about his corner so much TorcpU [22k\]: is there any live audio commentation of this? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 opabinia [3k?\]: You're listening to it, Tor. TAPJoshua [4k\]: just live as fat as possible in center :) IGoofy [1d\]: this was a commercial for eurogotv TorcpU [22k\]: can't hear anything :P ] ;B[lg]C[opabinia [3k?\]: Go to see a hearing doctor. Medice [4d\]: hear hear baned4life: ing clock action Empiror [5d\]: L15 should be L14 ] ;W[rg] ;B[re]C[wotan123 [2d\]: heard to much rock and roll Medice [4d\]: this s14 sequence was too bad for white, i think Empiror [5d\]: w isn't playing coherently Medice [4d\]: he must have played it out of habit ] ;W[kg]C[opabinia [3k?\]: What do you mean? ZothOmmog [4k\]: ahh, its hungarian thats most closly related to a north american indian language, not romanian ] ;B[lh]C[baned4life: well byomi moves I think Kuros [6k\]: no, hungarian is related to finnish Medice [4d\]: and finnish is not anything alike hungarian opabinia [3k?\]: So they are not related? wotan123 [2d\]: i heard they are related EuroGoTV1 [-\]: everybody is related to the finnish Kuros [6k\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages opabinia [3k?\]: Finnish adam and eve. Medice [4d\]: related but not understandable at all by each others.. PAUCHOK [?\]: I like Finland. has a few musicians I like greenrat [5k\]: soon Zoth will discover that romanian is related with old sumerian ] ;W[kh] ;B[li] ;W[qh] ;B[ki]C[ripsilver [7k?\]: wikipedia. as we all know is 110% accurate. ] ;W[ji]C[snowman [-\]: is this related to the game Pinguschaf [5d?\]: i doont like whites play at all ] ;B[ef] ;W[ff]C[Easytude [7k\]: btw EuroGoTV1, what's the time setting of this game ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W 18 min left Medice [4d\]: pingu, is that not enough for white? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 27 ] ;B[bp] ;W[cp]C[Easytude [7k\]: i mean, how many time per player opabinia [3k?\]: Seems like W is just winning the game. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 hour Easytude [7k\]: for the who;e game PAUCHOK [?\]: I suspect he might be fake ] ;B[co]C[Easytude [7k\]: ok, thx ] ;W[bq]C[decimal: fake 5p? PAUCHOK [?\]: not him Pinguschaf [5d?\]: yeah, it might be enough sidetop: he is a real 5 pro Pinguschaf [5d?\]: but thats because w was leading anyway :) PAUCHOK [?\]: him TAPJoshua [4k\]: seems like a lot for w right now Empiror [5d\]: b can resign now Pinguschaf [5d?\]: just didnt like the sequences starting from f13 ] ;B[db] ;W[eb] ;B[cb] ;W[qn]C[Pinguschaf [5d?\]: ah wrong yose ] ;B[qo] ;W[sn] ;B[ro]C[Pinguschaf [5d?\]: b should have c18 ] ;W[pr] ;B[qr]C[Botryoidal [-\]: This seems a passive game. wotan123 [2d\]: blitz? Empiror [5d\]: they should have a h2 game ] ;W[lf] ;B[mf] ;W[pg] ;B[pf] ;W[ng]C[snowman [-\]: "i give u 2 stones" TorcpU [22k\]: which one gives? xDragon [12k\]: what were they laughing at wotan123 [2d\]: possible a bad joke Medice [4d\]: white played a joke sequence only high dans can grasp ] ;B[og]C[IGoofy [1d\]: board 2 two is happy with losing Clare [1d\]: j5 ? Clare [1d\]: oops Clare [1d\]: o11? TAPJoshua [4k\]: did daniel go to the bathroom or something TAPJoshua [4k\]: lol TAPJoshua [4k\]: where is he opabinia [3k?\]: Are you writing a book on the bathroom habits of go players? TAPJoshua [4k\]: no Empiror [5d\]: which country in EU is the strongest? TAPJoshua [4k\]: daniel left his seat xDragon [12k\]: they typically use joseki in the restroom Clare [1d\]: holland = strongest Kuros [6k\]: militarily or economically? wotan123 [2d\]: there is a game review between cho chikun and an other 9p on youtube, they laugh all the time EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not holland ZothOmmog [4k\]: heuristicaly bro [3d\]: Cyprus :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: dutch go is dead PAUCHOK [?\]: we know about that game ZothOmmog [4k\]: malta aussiemate [8k\]: DDaniel returned for his seat Clare [1d\]: dutch go? bro [3d\]: malta aslso very strong snowman [-\]: judge yourself: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/createalleuro3.php?country=**&dgob=false Clare [1d\]: its quite active here Kuros [6k\]: yeah that video made me want to understand japanese sidetop: how old is catalin? wotan123 [2d\]: me too Kuros xDragon [12k\]: older than he looks im pretty sure opabinia [3k?\]: Catalin smokes? we should have an intervention. damian438 [13k\]: 36 ZothOmmog [4k\]: smoking is good for yoou Botryoidal [-\]: EuroGo, I can see that being made into a bumper sticker :) xDragon [12k\]: a lot of go players in europe smoke opabinia [3k?\]: Oh, really? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol ZothOmmog [4k\]: makes you smart opabinia [3k?\]: Damn... /starts smoking baned4life: what do they smoke? Clare [1d\]: it would be cool if white couldve moved a stone while black was away :D wotan123 [2d\]: ;-) xDragon [12k\]: fools on the goban reki7 [?\]: can someone post a link to the cho chikun video? TorcpU [22k\]: should I hear something while watching this? :P decimal: they smoke lower dans baned4life: haha ] ;W[oh] ;B[ph] ;W[pi] ;B[nh] ;W[pg] ;B[of]C[decimal: ko fighto ] ;W[ni]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 zeb [2k\]: no fighto decimal: =( jojo1 [8k\]: tot strax baned4life: game looks to be over now ] ;B[lc]C[Pik [1k?\]: EGTV why there is no results on web site? PAUCHOK [?\]: n12 is sente, is it not? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they have not made it PAUCHOK [?\]: for w now sidetop: white seems a lot ashead ] ;W[lb]C[jojo1 [8k\]: har tot strax EuroGoTV1 [-\]: s6 ] ;B[ea]C[jojo1 [8k\]: ty ZothOmmog [4k\]: would b respond to n12? ] ;W[fb]C[IGoofy [1d\]: that a lot go player smoke is a good proof that go has nothing to do with intelligence ZothOmmog [4k\]: well now aiken23 [8k\]: i wish i was ashead ZothOmmog [4k\]: i can make you just a head if you like xDragon [12k\]: theres lots of stress in go. i dont blame em ] ;B[ej]C[wotan123 [2d\]: wait a moment reki, i must search snowman [-\]: black should have played e15 before e19 ] ;W[fk]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: white is HUGLE PAUCHOK [?\]: some1 high tell me the score please ] ;B[em]C[xDragon [12k\]: let me get the pot... Easytude [7k\]: use SE xDragon [12k\]: give me a few min GameFAQs [2d\]: Use SE! ^_^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol Easytude [7k\]: :D PAUCHOK [?\]: that's lame ] ;W[bo]C[baned4life: White won an hour ago ] ;B[bn] ;W[ap]C[snowman [-\]: se stonger than anyone GameFAQs [2d\]: Then you're on your own, kiddo. ] ;B[fi] ;W[gi] ;B[ee]C[aiken23 [8k\]: well if its lame then learn to count ] ;W[fe] ;B[mh]C[snowman [-\]: see, f18 would work now ZothOmmog [4k\]: i give white 75% ] ;W[an] ;B[bm]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: I better not to know the score than use the SE. That was my NY resolution wotan123 [2d\]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBp9hz4bFeY&feature=related GameFAQs [2d\]: Even better to count. >_> ] ;W[ce]C[wotan123 [2d\]: this is the cho chikun laughing game review PAUCHOK [?\]: that was part of it too, yeah minismurf [-\]: k10 seems big, but guess these are sente ] ;B[be] ;W[eg] ;B[fa] ;W[ga] ;B[da] ;W[gb]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: d14 jollysandy: who is leading? greenrat [5k\]: w ] ;B[mj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: white is over 9000 zeb [2k\]: so over it ] ;W[kj]C[sidetop: res time for b ] ;B[oj]C[zeb [2k\]: 9000 was never even anything to w ] ;W[oi] ;B[nj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: o8 ] ;W[lj] ;B[mi] ;W[pj] ;B[gl]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: g8 for b what do you think? PAUCHOK [?\]: >> ZothOmmog [4k\]: g12 reki7 [?\]: thanks wotan baned4life: g12 doesnt seem to work right now ZothOmmog [4k\]: why? ] ;W[gk]C[baned4life: because of e12 waffle [6k\]: g12 doesn't work at all now. ] ;B[np]C[baned4life: desperation move ] ;W[op] ;B[mp]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: n5 zeb [2k\]: w preparing b2 bomber PAUCHOK [?\]: I don't think so. maybe you rely too much on SE or something but I don't see such a huge victory for w GameFAQs [2d\]: You. Can't. count. GameFAQs [2d\]: >_> ] ;W[mo]C[PAUCHOK [?\]: mm.. could be ] ;B[lp] ;W[oo]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: unless b makes magic ] ;B[nq]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: Maybe.. 64 for white.. sidetop: w +20 ] (;W[mr]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: A little more.. ]) (;W[nr] ;B[mr] ;W[ms] ;B[lr] ;W[qs] ;B[rs] ;W[ps] ;B[rr] ;W[dg] ;B[cg]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: d14 PAUCHOK [?\]: I say 12-14 baned4life: q19 looks big long1331 [5k\]: they are 5p vs 5d ? PAUCHOK [?\]: aha TorcpU [22k\]: y baned4life: has catalin beat a pro before? GameFAQs [2d\]: Close to 10 points. xDragon [12k\]: nope, never GameFAQs [2d\]: He is a pro. Botryoidal [-\]: Astute deduction, long GameFAQs [2d\]: ~_~ Faux [-\]: -.- Easytude [7k\]: -__- snowman [-\]: white is slightly ahead on the board Faux [-\]: =w= sidetop: pop win? accountee: g8 not small Clare [1d\]: ohhh yeah Clare [1d\]: hey Clare [1d\]: can they ask for undos here? Faux [-\]: no ._. opabinia [3k?\]: Yes... tobe30k [1d\]: yes accountee: h8 I mean PAUCHOK [?\]: GameFAQs a drop from 64 to close to ten? maybe you should learn to count too snowman [-\]: no personal insuniations please ] ;W[hl]C[opabinia [3k?\]: It's about a 10 point game. GameFAQs [2d\]: Black has like 60. snowman [-\]: whatever that means GameFAQs [2d\]: Plus komi. TorcpU [22k\]: there iss no undo GameFAQs [2d\]: 10. GameFAQs [2d\]: Bug off. tobe30k [1d\]: but they can ask opabinia [3k?\]: talking is forbidden by martian law. sidetop: w+25 Faux [-\]: ... Faux [-\]: =.= PAUCHOK [?\]: are you British? xDragon [12k\]: that 3rd game looks like a mess GameFAQs [2d\]: Clearly. PAUCHOK [?\]: )) opabinia [3k?\]: did Cornel win? sidetop: i think so Uohz [11k?\]: how old are all of you tobe30k [1d\]: who is cornel? Uohz [11k?\]: i wondering xDragon [12k\]: 103 opabinia [3k?\]: So the third game doesn't matter much. aussiemate [8k\]: I say, old chap, one doesn't ask that question! opabinia [3k?\]: Aussiemate, are you British? sidetop: did pop win? Botryoidal [-\]: If I was 73 I would say that too. GameFAQs [2d\]: Aussie. GameFAQs [2d\]: >_> GameFAQs [2d\]: mate. PAUCHOK [?\]: francais? aussiemate [8k\]: certainly nor aussiemate [8k\]: *not greenrat [5k\]: is an aussie sidetop: they both left Botryoidal [-\]: Black should come to resignation soon. The margin of win is only widening. aussiemate [8k\]: h8 was big opabinia [3k?\]: Pop is signing autograph. GameFAQs [2d\]: Get me one! xDragon [12k\]: yo could you zoom it in on that third game while theyr egone GameFAQs [2d\]: For "Gamey". GameFAQs [2d\]: >_> tobe30k [1d\]: is it you daughter? opabinia [3k?\]: I would, but you made of me yesterday, sorry, punk. :-P xDragon [12k\]: well nvm theyre back GameFAQs [2d\]: NOOOO! ] ;B[fh] ;W[gh]C[Kuros [6k\]: o8 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry, i was watching other boards tobe30k [1d\]: lol Gimpyjoe [3k\]: thats rad opabinia [3k?\]: Where is Waldette? Gimpyjoe [3k\]: re: me asking about prodigious earlier --- Prodigious: Playing breakfast in about an hour I guess Botryoidal [-\]: Would you perchance have the times, EGTV? GameFAQs [2d\]: Joe! You're serious? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W 4 B 12 minutes left GameFAQs [2d\]: I love Prodigious, that sallow-eyed lad. ] ;B[nl] ;W[ol]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: Will it be on KGS? ] ;B[lk] ;W[kk]C[uju [12k\]: EuroGoTV1 do you know nikola mitic's score yesterday? Gimpyjoe [3k\]: asked if its an even game Botryoidal [-\]: Thanks, Euro Gimpyjoe [3k\]: Prodigious: I guess it will be even ] ;B[ok] ;W[pk]C[GameFAQs [2d\]: Really cool... Gimpyjoe [3k\]: no idea haha Gimpyjoe [3k\]: might not be here, :/ GameFAQs [2d\]: ;-; ] ;B[kc] ;W[kb] ;B[le] ;W[kf]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: from serbia? uju [12k\]: yes ] ;B[cd] ;W[de]C[Botryoidal [-\]: Is there a team from Montenegro? ] ;B[df] ;W[fm] ;B[fn] ;W[el]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: why d15 instead of d14? ZothOmmog [4k\]: for sente? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he is still playing snowman [-\]: no difference tobe30k [1d\]: for a full triangle ZothOmmog [4k\]: d14 captures 2 stones uju [12k\]: i asked for round1 :) GameFAQs [2d\]: One less ko threat. xDragon [12k\]: winner gets 2400 euro? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i think he won GameFAQs [2d\]: 4k's idea is technically better. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: team gets guta [3d\]: Serbia won against Romania"Shusaku" 4:0 uju [12k\]: thanks ] ;B[dm] ;W[am]C[Tablo [1d?\]: fancy ] ;B[al] ;W[ao] ;B[bl]C[bro [3d\]: and Czech R. - Slovakia 2:2 ] ;W[pa] ;B[ra]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: m16 guta [3d\]: Romania 2. vs Germany 3:1 Gimpyjoe [3k\]: n9? sidetop: where do you see the results? Ukasuhs [1k\]: or g7 ] ;W[kd]C[Ukasuhs [1k\]: or sente first^^ guta [3d\]: by cell EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 ] ;B[mc] ;W[nd] ;B[ne]C[sidetop: anybody could give me a link with the results? snowman [-\]: ing clock chanting on the same channel opabinia [3k?\]: Sounds like ing clock is getting beat up. bro [3d\]: no results bro [3d\]: just intra info Ukasuhs [1k\]: now n9 or g7 imo sidetop: :( ] ;W[mk] ;B[ml] ;W[ll] ;B[mn] ;W[mm]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: wooo baned4life: dork ] ;B[ln]C[Easytude [7k\]: lol ] ;W[nm] ;B[sf] ;W[rh] ;B[gm]C[snowman [-\]: bamboo joint and damezumari... ZothOmmog [4k\]: now white is just messing with his head opabinia [3k?\]: Seems almost twenty point game now. tobe30k [1d\]: from who? snowman [-\]: se-ems PAUCHOK [?\]: )) ] ;W[in]C[Botryoidal [-\]: Is black continuing for formalities sake? It is more respectful perhaps? PAUCHOK [?\]: so true tho ] ;B[fl] ;W[eh] ;B[ei] ;W[jp] ;B[jq] ;W[sg] ;B[se]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: d8 ] ;W[ls] ;B[ks]C[HeiBeiTzu [5k\]: O 9 ] ;W[ns]C[Botryoidal [-\]: o9 is worth more. ] ;B[hs] ;W[fs] ;B[pn] ;W[pm] ;B[so] ;W[sm]C[Gimpyjoe [3k\]: o9 so conspicuous for gote ] ;B[ed]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: o9 miai ] ;W[ec]C[Ukasuhs [1k\]: looks like w wins ] ;B[dl]C[Gimpyjoe [3k\]: er, whatev ] ;W[hm]C[opabinia [3k?\]: B can't o9. Ukasuhs [1k\]: by like 9 or so Kuros [6k\]: am i the only one who thinks it sounds like the clocks are swearing tobe30k [1d\]: why not? ZothOmmog [4k\]: o9 gote if b wants to lose by 50 ] ;B[mg] ;W[nk]C[Gimpyjoe [3k\]: zoth, you talk so much ] ;B[ph]C[Gimpyjoe [3k\]: so much trash ] ;W[gs] ;B[is] ;W[pg]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: bring it on! baned4life: I think its the voice of bitching betty from the military planes ] ;B[aq] ;W[ar] ;B[ph] ;W[do]C[snowman [-\]: she has a job as a navigator voice too Kuros [6k\]: that double syllable word sounds just like the f word ZothOmmog [4k\]: ill make you a gimp+ ] ;B[eo] ;W[pg]C[Kuros [6k\]: in the general form ] ;B[hk] ;W[gj] ;B[ph]C[zeb [2k\]: p1! tobe30k [1d\]: what is the clock saying? ZothOmmog [4k\]: tick tock ] ;W[dq]C[xDragon [12k\]: its jut saying the time remaining for the player Gimpyjoe [3k\]: i'm not sure what that means zeb [2k\]: man I'm so lagged ] ;B[en]C[xDragon [12k\]: in byo yomi ] ;W[pg] ;B[md] ;W[nb] ;B[ph]C[Botryoidal [-\]: tobe, it is an IGS clock, so no one is listening to it. snowman [-\]: "black 30 seconds left" xDragon [12k\]: has the exact same clocks at the last tourney i went to ZothOmmog [4k\]: h4 Kuros [6k\]: something like "time pointing @£/(ing clock" ] ;W[oa]C[tobe30k [1d\]: thanks ] ;B[pg]C[xDragon [12k\]: it also gives byo yomi periods left ] ;W[ld] ;B[sc]C[xDragon [12k\]: like "black 30 seconds left 3 times" ] ;W[qa] ;B[lo] ;W[]C[snowman [-\]: "time" only xDragon [12k\]: count time tobe30k [1d\]: and after the end of the sentence, the 30secs are gone? ZothOmmog [4k\]: who wins? xDragon [12k\]: SE says w+16.5 chiffon [9k\]: w elfking [4k\]: W zeb [2k\]: b+20 Gimpyjoe [3k\]: plz eurogotv1, don't make us count! jolieg [4k\]: w by 13 dmwit [2k\]: B+RESIGN CAN"T YOU PEOPLE COUNT EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+16.5 Ukasuhs [1k\]: SE uses japanese scoring system opabinia [3k?\]: thanks, EGTV. Botryoidal [-\]: dm, are you serious? xDragon [12k\]: well it was right this time xDragon [12k\]: anyway, can zoom in on the other game? Botryoidal [-\]: Thank you kindly, EuroGo. PAUCHOK [?\]: not a huge difference considering that white should be able to give 4 stones to black Gimpyjoe [3k\]: thanks for reproducing such a fun game eurogotv dude, dmwit [2k\]: As always, thanks, eurogotv. ZothOmmog [4k\]: man, white really threw that game if he lost by 20 snowman [-\]: thanks dude uju [12k\]: thanks eurogotv Gimpyjoe [3k\]: w won by 16.5 zoth, learn to read PAUCHOK [?\]: thanks EGTV. keep up the good work ZothOmmog [4k\]: whats reading? Hopachai [3k\]: does anyone know where can i find some results? Gimpyjoe [3k\]: reading chat Gimpyjoe [3k\]: EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W+16.5 william93 [19k\]: Match ended? xDragon [12k\]: yes uju [12k\]: yes Gimpyjoe [3k\]: match over, not ended ZothOmmog [4k\]: end=over william93 [19k\]: why didn't the results show up? ZothOmmog [4k\]: demo PAUCHOK [?\]: weird... I can hear Russian in the background Gimpyjoe [3k\]: because it is not being played on kgs ZothOmmog [4k\]: its all gimpys fault uju [12k\]: eurogo can you show us tournament saloon after catalins game rewiew end? uju [12k\]: pleaseee :) bro [3d\]: is it possible to move the camera on the other boards pls? bro [3d\]: thx :) uju [12k\]: thanks a lot :):) uju [12k\]: eurogo do you know the score ]))))