(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi] GN[European Go Congress 2010 board 1 round 7]PW[Ilia Shikshin]PB[Artem Kachanovskyy]WR[7d]BR[6d]DT[2010-08-03]PC[Tampere]US[HW9x9]C[Shedal [2d\]: Ilya still looks sick ] ;B[pd] ;W[dd]C[A1R [4k\]: can someone help me with the stream? Shedal [2d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh thx A1R [4k\]: its off air vaudevil [4k\]: says off air ] ;B[pq] ;W[dq]C[A1R [4k\]: right Stefany93 [15k\]: Who won???? ] ;B[qo]C[Shedal [2d\]: Artem goes for shimari... he really wants to be steady against Ilya. Wise choice, I guess beefree1: ukraine is stonge beefree1: strong* ] ;W[pn]C[beefree1: weird move ] ;B[po]C[gisel [4d\]: is there a problem with video streaming? says its off air vaudevil [4k\]: yes Shedal [2d\]: works for me holynec [?\]: have these two ever playe each other begfore? Shedal [2d\]: on KGS, a lot beefree1: they play on kgs all the time holynec [?\]: oh really?1 Shedal [2d\]: roln111 vs Artem92 holynec [?\]: did breakfast win yesterday? :k A1R [4k\]: no ] ;W[jq]C[beefree1: lol, two pros have two loses holynec [?\]: kang isnt on board 1 or 2 ? =/ snowman [-\]: hey guys, try www in the front of the name: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live beefree1: d5 gisel [4d\]: it still says its offline A1R [4k\]: nop..not working snowman [-\]: ah, never mind... huffle [1d\]: refresh? beefree1: works for me kryft [1k\]: Interesting opening. :) A1R [4k\]: shortly on air but immediately after that off air snowman [-\]: harry, the network route was changed just a moment ago cherisse [1k\]: no kang? snowman [-\]: might better restart the broadcast EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i can try again?! snowman [-\]: yeah EuroGoTV2 [-\]: harry is busy with 1st board EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Kang is playing at 3rd board against other Koeran 7d EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Korean WangFei [-\]: Kang plays with Kim JungHyeop N4KED [1d\]: Is the website down for other people? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Harry is rebooting his laptop G0blin [12k?\]: video feed "Off Air' G0blin [12k?\]: oh ok EuroGoTV2 [-\]: trying to fix the connection N4KED [1d\]: I cant even load the www.eurogotv.com sheeryjay [2k\]: website ok Ripples [2k\]: yea me neither G0blin [12k?\]: it loads here Ripples [2k\]: website keeps saying taking too long to respond Ripples [2k\]: weird :\\ Ripples [2k\]: worked last night sheeryjay [2k\]: It works perfectly, how long is ping to it for you? Ripples [2k\]: what do you mean? N4KED [1d\]: where do you live ripples? sheeryjay [2k\]: you would have to run ping www.eurogotv.com command in the console (I don't even know how it is called in english windows) Ripples [2k\]: usa, ca. N4KED [1d\]: I live in AZ N4KED [1d\]: so somehow...I think its a locational issue Ripples [2k\]: request is timing out Ripples [2k\]: when trying to ping N4KED [1d\]: I can get the website using proxy N4KED [1d\]: but cant do the betting then Ripples [2k\]: heh ur right Ripples [2k\]: proxies work... Ripples [2k\]: how odd. sheeryjay [2k\]: so it's some borked networking issue in servers in your area :( N4KED [1d\]: well the site was crashing so maybe he blocked US users...or something like that and then didnt unblock us sheeryjay [2k\]: :D ... it's not that easy to just block US ... and I don't know of anyone who would do something like that for small reason Shedal [2d\]: Is Artem still tihnking? Ripples [2k\]: i dont think the recorder is back yet Ripples [2k\]: maybe they might of played :( Shedal [2d\]: :( Shedal [2d\]: We're dying here!! EuroGoTV2 [-\]: the game is moving on EuroGoTV2 [-\]: harry has no connection EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he can't transcribe sheeryjay [2k\]: is he transcribing at least offline? ] ;B[dn] ;W[co] ;B[cj]C[HlFl [-\]: who is she playing this round? ] ;W[cn]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: great ... welcome back Harry ] ;B[cg]C[pitboss [1k?\]: whats going on with eurogotv1 ] ;W[gc]C[misjoe [2k\]: ah :) ] ;B[qg] ;W[on]C[HlFl [-\]: time travel ] ;B[rm] ;W[nc]C[spargo [6k\]: a mistake? cuby [2k?\]: roln vs artem: Fever Fight 2010 ] ;B[pc] ;W[kd] ;B[lq]C[Lake [11k\]: fust of fever ] ;W[dk]C[Shedal [2d\]: can't you ask one of the players to help with the sequence?.. Lake [11k\]: fist ] ;B[ck] ;W[cl] ;B[bl] ;W[dj] ;B[di] ;W[ei] ;B[dh] ;W[bk]C[pitboss [1k?\]: ustream is owrmiking but its really behind misjoe [2k\]: I expect this will be a fun and exciting game ] ;B[dl] ;W[cm] ;B[bj]C[hadlar [5d?\]: shedal that would be ridiculous ] ;W[el]C[Fenix [?\]: ohh the game of fate ^^ pitboss [1k?\]: they are sitting there with emtpy board pitboss [1k?\]: artem looks scared just9x9 [-\]: refresh might help cherisse [1k\]: playing a little fast? cherisse [1k\]: where is the stream? H16 [1d\]: k4 ? beefree1: is stream working? Boogeyman [2k\]: eurogotv just miss c13 )) NorthWind [5k\]: don't think so. tech problems today Bazilikan [2k\]: why can i still not open eurogotb? maciek [2d\]: j4 now just9x9 [-\]: try *tv insetad of "tb SinaGo [4k\]: b16 Bazilikan [2k\]: thats what i meant HlFl [-\]: maybe if they'd loaded Kim vs Kang we would be having these troubles :P Bazilikan [2k\]: it doesnt open pitboss [1k?\]: yes eyrogotv says online on the list but when you click it says off air mikan [2d\]: That's a good sign that it's not working cherisse [1k\]: camong i wanna see what they are wearing! NorthWind [5k\]: Kang isn't even on board 2 so they don't have a camera where she plays pitboss [1k?\]: eurogotv2 feed looks working tho pitboss [1k?\]: kinda cuby [2k?\]: kang is the danica patrick of go pitboss [1k?\]: its black NorthWind [5k\]: yes but that follows bd2 Koukkaaja [3d\]: maybe she'd heard about all the stupid jokes here and asked to be on board 3 Q161 [?\]: who is danica patrick? HlFl [-\]: lol ] ;B[ip]C[maciek [2d\]: yeah! pitboss [1k?\]: eurogotv2 does not say offline but it has black picture NorthWind [5k\]: haha, stage fright ! :D Bazilikan [2k\]: the website wont even open for me HlFl [-\]: yeah, i could only get sound from stream 2 when i tryed Araragi [17k\]: there's no picture Araragi [17k\]: coughing. HlFl [-\]: basically just ilya caughing cuby [2k?\]: and incidentally, all the people whiteknighting her and telling us to calm down and focus on the game rather than her ... the facts are, it's extraordinarily rare to have a nice looking strong girl player competing on top boards, let us enjoy it :D Araragi [17k\]: that's all you're missing. HlFl [-\]: coughing* Kickchon [?\]: huh, interesting move :o sushisan [4d\]: interesting Shedal [2d\]: E3? That's to avoid sabaki tsuke? epoxygal [3k\]: what was that?? ] ;W[lp]C[boatlord [6d\]: totally unexpected it wasnt the move eatramen [21k\]: why isnt kang's game being relayed! sushisan [4d\]: tachi out of nowhere gisel [4d\]: now betting is off? Koukkaaja [3d\]: they can play undo as much as they like as the stream is not working epoxygal [3k\]: i want kang's game! cuby [2k?\]: eatraman stop focusing on the girl! we're here for the go A1R [4k\]: she is on board 3 Hideko [2k\]: sorry, no kang do! Hideko [2k\]: mwuhahahahahaha mikan [2d\]: ouch epoxygal [3k\]: lame cuby [2k?\]: let's instead enjoy two oily men playing strong moves Shedal [2d\]: W is ready to fight © breakfast eatramen [21k\]: cuby i am focusing on go, whenever she or ilia plays i want to see! cuby [2k?\]: yeah, the kang vs ilia game made stars of both of them. epic match NorthWind [5k\]: but I can't get her out of my head :( Hideko [2k\]: Televising these two is a waste of time Bazilikan [2k\]: is there a live feed for this> eatramen [21k\]: yes i became a ilia fan after that game cuby [2k?\]: same HlFl [-\]: this is the game i most wanted to see anyway eatramen [21k\]: breaking kang's winning streak =O pitboss [1k?\]: stop complaining lol. are they even televising it? Araragi [17k\]: the feed is down ] ;B[eq]C[Araragi [17k\]: well... its just audio pitboss [1k?\]: at least some of you seem to be able to watchi it cherisse [1k\]: roln111 vs artem92 epoxygal [3k\]: i can see it pitboss pitboss [1k?\]: this is better then roln111 vs artem92 Golifant [8k\]: ??? ] ;W[iq]C[Am [5d\]: he-he ] ;B[dr]C[Am [5d\]: w e3 was reasonble move.... pitboss [1k?\]: cause its a tournament game eatramen [21k\]: haha yeah ilia is always so antsy Golifant [8k\]: oh, this is confusing juj: what's ilia's kgs account? roln111? pitboss [1k?\]: yes he is 8d on kgs ] ;W[cq]C[gisel [4d\]: EuroGo, there wont be anymore betting today? mooooo [7k\]: he could be 9d in strength... ] ;B[hq]C[Golifant [8k\]: what happens? pitboss [1k?\]: artem is 7d on kgs? ] ;W[hp]C[A1R [4k\]: no 8d mooooo [7k\]: artem is 8d ] ;B[gq] ;W[ho]C[mooooo [7k\]: artem92 ] ;B[cr]C[pitboss [1k?\]: they are stronger in a serious game eatramen [21k\]: and ilia? ] ;W[ep]C[misjoe [2k\]: EuroGoTV needs a couple of espressos. Can somebody ring Ilya or Artem and tell him to get some ? ] ;B[bq] ;W[fq] ;B[er] ;W[fp]C[eatramen [21k\]: whats ilia's name and rank? A1R [4k\]: 7d ] ;B[fr]C[mooooo [7k\]: both are kgs 8d atm Kanin [-\]: ilia is a monster Shedal [2d\]: bad for black, I think\\ epoxygal [3k\]: this is very bad for black Shedal [2d\]: too much inFLUence for W cherisse [1k\]: nah, ilya is a prince nay4ok [2d?\]: ilia''s name? ilia I think mooooo [7k\]: toln only 7d oO epoxygal [3k\]: N3 is very comfortable NorthWind [5k\]: Ilya is the antidote to Kang ... everything you don't want to promote cuby [2k?\]: ilya is cool epoxygal [3k\]: the marketing guy lost to kang yesterday? cherisse [1k\]: Queen Kang qwedrfghjk: stream not working? ] ;W[mq]C[Sjonny [8k\]: Is this the artem from kgs'? eatramen [21k\]: the who epox? ] ;B[gp]C[Hideko [2k\]: is this blitz? ] ;W[go] ;B[dp]C[Araragi [17k\]: heh ] ;W[cp] ;B[fo]C[epoxygal [3k\]: marketing guy. marketing 9p, Baduk is "honorary" 3p that guy ] ;W[do]C[Sjonny [8k\]: Artem from kgs? eatramen [21k\]: yes Golifant [8k\]: white got tricked Sjonny [8k\]: Why does KGHIN not enter in this ? NorthWind [5k\]: yeah son of KGS eatramen [21k\]: u mean breakfast epox? pitboss [1k?\]: yes the defending champion diner epoxygal [3k\]: oh yes, breakfast epoxygal [3k\]: he lost right? Sjonny [8k\]: yea Sjonny [8k\]: 3.5 mooooo [7k\]: becaus kghin is a chinese kid and this is europe championship cuby [2k?\]: that game was also dope Hangovers [3k\]: becaus kghin lives in Hong Kong un [2k\]: maybe kghin lives in the other side of the planet x) Sjonny [8k\]: So Sjonny [8k\]: who cares eatramen [21k\]: yeah to cornel and kang Shedal [2d\]: well, it's an open championship epoxygal [3k\]: i see... i told him to stop doing marketing and concentrate on improving his Go. he does listen to me Sjonny [8k\]: Where is this championship held ? cuby [2k?\]: tampon, finland Chuntian: why Hwang did not come ? do you know ? pitboss [1k?\]: why do people always criticize his 3p rank he did win this event just last year Golifant [8k\]: why is not Sjonny playing here? Sjonny [8k\]: yeah why H16 [1d\]: he did not epoxygal [3k\]: pit, i didnt criticise. i correctly address him honorary 3p. mooooo [7k\]: catalin 5p also lost twice mihi [6d\]: yes but Catalin should have won last year Komurri [1k\]: Ilya is defending champion, isn´t he? A1R [4k\]: hwang is back in korea cuby [2k?\]: what happened last year? Shedal [2d\]: why should he have won last year? juj: Catalin beat a girl yesterday maciek [2d\]: why should?:_ pitboss [1k?\]: no. diner won last year Chuntian: ok A1, thank you epoxygal [3k\]: catalin always lose to amateur 7dans, just to encourage them pitboss [1k?\]: ah hell lets talk about the game instead Golifant [8k\]: I was never defeated by a 7dan eatramen [21k\]: well it is always said that a lot of amatuers are strong enough to be professionals so when they beat 3ps and 5ps im not too surprised H16 [1d\]: anyways i dont see b's plan.. Hangovers [3k\]: black is doing terrible ;) Bazilikan [2k\]: disapointment ] ;B[mo]C[boatlord [6d\]: I like w here Golifant [8k\]: black plays better than me mihi [6d\]: Catalin beat Diner and last round Catalin lost against some korean 7d and Diner beat some finnish 5d Dogen [4k\]: are these variations, or did the recorder just make a few mistakes? H16 [1d\]: he just fixed whites remaing aji... basil [3d\]: mistakes Dogen [4k\]: thanks Karnesun [5d\]: Artem is angry today H16 [1d\]: but catalin lost to debarre before so... kim777 [1k\]: and a bit greedy x) Araragi [17k\]: ^^ basil [3d\]: so, no stream today I guess? eatramen [21k\]: unfortunately SinaGo [4k\]: debarre is strong NorthWind [5k\]: well, I wouldn't want to play across the board from someone with infectious disease Boogeyman [2k\]: EuroGotv no money for streaming )) epoxygal [3k\]: u mean u didnt donte? eatramen [21k\]: ustream is free lol epoxygal [3k\]: *donate Golifant [8k\]: i want my money back kim777 [1k\]: debarre won yesterday ? nay4ok [2d?\]: Harry, if we can't see could you at least comment occasionaly on what's happening over there? like what they are doing and such? poirette [1d\]: yes NorthWind [5k\]: Debarre has 5/5 SinaGo [4k\]: debarre needs more theory kim777 [1k\]: *_* EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Golifant i give you twice as much back Golifant [8k\]: :-) zc3k [1k\]: heapa of way? qwedrfghjk: eurogo, no stream? epoxygal [3k\]: good one EuroGo... those ungrateful guys basil [3d\]: very grateful. just curious pitboss [1k?\]: i can see the stream on ustream but its on move 8 cherisse [1k\]: nay4ok - i'm sure you're not missing much, illia will just be rocking but artem i dunno Chuntian: Debarre will probably become professionnal if he wants to HlFl [-\]: go Artem! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: network killed the laptops epoxygal [3k\]: ilya is definitely pro level for sure pitboss [1k?\]: ok thanks for the heads up eurogotv eatramen [21k\]: kang pro level too eatramen [21k\]: =D had to throw her in pitboss [1k?\]: it could have something to do with the solar flare also tapir [2d\]: ilya and artem must have played dozens of games against each other already. pitboss [1k?\]: a enormous deathray launched by the sun was scheduled to hit earth today epoxygal [3k\]: supper guy is also honorary pro level... not easy to be a pro man.... A1R [4k\]: what does that mean, EuroGoTV? epoxygal [3k\]: ilya betting he can get enuf in the center and takes advantage of artem's teritorial style HlFl [-\]: no stream today probably NorthWind [5k\]: means ok to panic epoxygal [3k\]: but artem is cho chikun's student Araragi [17k\]: too many people trying to stream off the laptop, I assume cherisse [1k\]: how about ustream? (desperate) Araragi [17k\]: I looked, there's nothing streaming live nay4ok [2d?\]: what time do they have on the clock atm? pitboss [1k?\]: so if w connects. eatramen [21k\]: it is usually streamed on ustream just9x9 [-\]: m2 maybe for w? henhen [3k\]: n5 is a nice move Araragi [17k\]: wat henhen [3k\]: Wao. Shesck [12k\]: crushed henhen [3k\]: wao u srs? Shesck [12k\]: lol erna [7k\]: m5 or n4? HlFl [-\]: snap Bazilikan [2k\]: huh? just9x9 [-\]: or playing from p6 more urgent pitboss [1k?\]: connecting seems better than m2 to me tapir [2d\]: if n4 then p5 trying to sacrifice NorthWind [5k\]: Harry, don't leave us ... Am [5d\]: do not ask about stream... Golifant [8k\]: who won? Araragi [17k\]: heh mmmd [2k?\]: haha nay4ok [2d?\]: w+6.5 Golifant [8k\]: white resigned? Bazilikan [2k\]: no way Araragi [17k\]: no way. HlFl [-\]: b + technicality Golifant [8k\]: q6 is dead misjoe [2k\]: went to get his espressos erna [7k\]: not yet grumpyjoe [-\]: good morning everyone Golifant [8k\]: thats why W resign grumpyjoe [-\]: where is kang???? misjoe [2k\]: on board 3 cherisse [1k\]: w needs to connect that group and eat N5! EuroGoTV2 [-\]: there are technical problems again NorthWind [5k\]: went to beat up the network manager EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they stopped the game nay4ok [2d?\]: not yet. sun hasn't risen yet epoxygal [3k\]: why? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: until EuroGoTV is ready to broadcast Araragi [17k\]: they stopped the game? pitboss [1k?\]: oh Araragi [17k\]: seriously? pitboss [1k?\]: wow pitboss [1k?\]: thanks for being so dedicated to the broadcast nay4ok [2d?\]: good hadlar [5d?\]: my life sux now that i can't see kang! misjoe [2k\]: very nice of them SinaGo [4k\]: not good NorthWind [5k\]: give them our thanks please Araragi [17k\]: very nice indeed. SinaGo [4k\]: advantage for w Nobato [7k\]: then b won ??? nay4ok [2d?\]: EuroGoTV2 what about your game? sheeryjay [2k\]: stopped a game to wait for broadcast? O_O that's ... well .. very nice nay4ok [2d?\]: same thing? just9x9 [-\]: wow, did we get that far? Next thing is, they will stop the game for advertisments EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he's in big stress nay4ok [2d?\]: who? eatramen [21k\]: yes tell them i will make much ramen for everyone to show my appreciation EuroGoTV2 [-\]: laptop crashes all the time eatramen [21k\]: ! EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but players will wait nay4ok [2d?\]: and your players? SinaGo [4k\]: not good EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Dinerstein left EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ondrej is thinking SinaGo [4k\]: let them play nay4ok [2d?\]: mm sheeryjay [2k\]: EuroGoTV2, get pasky and borrow a laptop from him .. it will work perfectly ;) nanok [?\]: windows? :P nay4ok [2d?\]: Alex Di looks in great shape over there eatramen [21k\]: hadlar what u gonna do whn this tourney is done then? Fenix [?\]: what u gonna do when they come for u Farcas [3d\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r7.txt Am [5d\]: no stream, no broadcast.... pitboss [1k?\]: http://www.brahmand.com/news/Solar-flare-heading-to-Earth-may-create-spectacular-aurorae/4623/3/13.html pitboss [1k?\]: this is what i was talking about. nay4ok [2d?\]: weird.. isn't Alex 3p? pitboss [1k?\]: maybe it causes technical difficulties eatramen [21k\]: yeah pitboss [1k?\]: eurogotv. please take pics of the sky! sheeryjay [2k\]: nay4ok, yes, and it is correctly set at the game info hadlar [5d?\]: i'll probably throw away my board so that i won't be reminded of the kang i'm missing nay4ok [2d?\]: he's 7d here http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r7.txt sheeryjay [2k\]: Catalin is 7d there as well .. probly for pairing purposes jjermann [5d?\]: you know you can be 3p at one place and 7d at another pitboss [1k?\]: mayber w should play now at q9 jjermann [5d?\]: it is just the tournament format NorthWind [5k\]: depends on the exchange rate jjermann [5d?\]: aga 9d would also at most be 7d Shedal [2d\]: AGA have 9d? A1R [4k\]: like andy liu just9x9 [-\]: yeah, and korean 7k as well ;) eatramen [21k\]: how does aga ratings compare to kgs? jjermann [5d?\]: I have no clue whatsoever about aga jjermann [5d?\]: I just heard that there it goes up to 9d Shedal [2d\]: weird eatramen [21k\]: i see jjermann [5d?\]: not 100% sure just9x9 [-\]: aga-2=kgs someone stated yesterday sheeryjay [2k\]: in AGA they imho have up to 7d, but their ratings are unlimited kvartaali [?\]: AGA doesn't have 9d anymore I think, 7d eatramen [21k\]: i know wbaduk goes up to 7d, on the top 100 players list everyone one the list is either korean japanese or chinese lol eatramen [21k\]: *on eatramen [21k\]: no other countries HlFl [-\]: is Diana Koszegi not playing? juj: I think she left the Congress already juj: she wasn't playing epoxygal [3k\]: why? i like diana more than kang holynec [?\]: >:O holynec [?\]: <:O avio [2d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?RankWorldwideComparison N4KED [1d\]: wbaduk goes to 8 dan N4KED [1d\]: also pro ranks avio [2d\]: doesn't work for me Shedal [2d\]: Stream is up! ] ;W[mp]C[hokage [2d\]: I understand that in china, highest am rank is 6d hokage [2d\]: national champs get 7d hokage [2d\]: world champs get 8d Shedal [2d\]: yay, the game continues! N4KED [1d\]: Yeah epoxygal [3k\]: stream link pls N4KED [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 epoxygal [3k\]: thx eatramen [21k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1 oktan [6k\]: как самочувствие у Ильи? Larrave [1d\]: does the stream work?=/ Request [1k\]: лучше чем вчера, октан HlFl [-\]: skittles Larrave [1d\]: doesnt work for me N4KED [1d\]: without the video feed it just doesnt seem real ] ;B[oo] ;W[ln]C[porcelain [8k\]: its working HlFl [-\]: lol N4KED eatramen [21k\]: lol epoxygal [3k\]: omg... ilya is like playing with a kid.. why is he so angry all the time? oktan [6k\]: хорошо ] ;B[nn] ;W[ml]C[beefree1: 18 is no kid ] ;B[lo] ;W[ko]C[Shedal [2d\]: isn't he 17? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 beefree1: 17 or 18 HlFl [-\]: maybe it's just his face thats angry and not him mFz [3k\]: Ilia is roln ? holynec [?\]: ilya gets taught by his sister right holynec [?\]: who does artem get taught by NorthWind [5k\]: they are playing again and the video is working for me Suvi [1d\]: harry, i only get the list of videos from that link Suvi [1d\]: not live feed N4KED [1d\]: russia vs ukraine! Suvi [1d\]: maybe some problems on my end? gabigo [4k?\]: ilya gets taught by his father ] ;B[kp]C[HlFl [-\]: working for me too hadlar [5d?\]: what's wrong with ilia he's like he can't stop moving around and making noise hadlar [5d?\]: trying to distract artem N4KED [1d\]: reload the page ] ;W[mn] ;B[no]C[Suvi [1d\]: i did ] ;W[jp] ;B[kn]C[qwedrfghjk: the stream doesn't work for me Suvi [1d\]: i get the "related videos" list just9x9 [-\]: for me stream not working ] ;W[kq]C[just9x9 [-\]: me too suvi Sven84 [3k\]: damn i'd love to see board 3 as well ._. Araragi [17k\]: works for me porcelain [8k\]: it works fine Blitzcore [3d\]: i see nothing EuroGoTV1 [-\]: suvi this network is not working correctly porcelain [8k\]: click the little refresh button juj: not working here either :/ SinaGo [4k\]: here works EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i work now by usb stick connection N4KED [1d\]: you can go on the ustream.com site Araragi [17k\]: yes Suvi [1d\]: harry, oh really, hmh EuroGoTV1 [-\]: local network not functional for me eatramen [21k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1 Araragi [17k\]: ^^ Elmarias [-\]: Ilia is moving around so much it seems like he has to go to the bathroom. Araragi [17k\]: mhm ] ;B[jo] ;W[kp]C[Suvi [1d\]: harry, does some organizer know alreadY, so they might contact someone to fix the problem? eatramen [21k\]: ilia always moves around alot ] ;B[ll]C[Suvi [1d\]: or should i tell them eatramen [21k\]: his body cant handle the rate at which his mind is calculating grumpyjoe [-\]: artem is doing good here EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i told the referee who contacted somebody who gave me this stick Pinguschaf [7d?\]: black feels ahead to me fgfg: black is really a fighter Suvi [1d\]: harry, good, thanks nay4ok [2d?\]: can anyone help me on how to get at least 1 point in betting? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i reported all this trouble yesterday go1d [4d\]: l7 only move EuroGoTV1 [-\]: started yesterday during the game N4KED [1d\]: the website times out from the US Syptryn [3d\]: l7 n7 m7 o7 n9 ? Syptryn [3d\]: anyway, is feed down still> eatramen [21k\]: eurogo no stream for board 2? eatramen [21k\]: just asking EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no betting today jjermann [5d?\]: EuroGoTV1: did you check all the cables (if they are plugged in)? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it works now i took the cable out beefree1: jiggle the wires sheeryjay [2k\]: hehe :D eatramen [21k\]: ^lol N4KED [1d\]: jiggle the wires always works beefree1: white can make large center N4KED [1d\]: I think l7 ] ;W[mm]C[beefree1: m9 seems obvious jjermann [5d?\]: the video doesnt work beefree1: video works for me HlFl [-\]: same here ] ;B[km] ;W[mk]C[NorthWind [5k\]: so does B try to use the centre aji or leave it ? beefree1: wow this is risky grumpyjoe [-\]: why Pinguschaf [7d?\]: i would have tenukied for now N4KED [1d\]: board 1 works but board 2 is black jjermann [5d?\]: hmm ok now it works Pinguschaf [7d?\]: and went for 3-3 upper left Syptryn [3d\]: its fight time! jjermann [5d?\]: If I enter the link it does not work grumpyjoe [-\]: artem should avoid making weak groups EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 2 is by local wired network ] ;B[kj]C[jjermann [5d?\]: but if I click on live and then on the link it works fgfg: the fight since move n°5:D Syptryn [3d\]: black can h5 when time is right Shedal [2d\]: M10 ] ;W[lj]C[just9x9 [-\]: h5 is highly unlikely HlFl [-\]: lol N4KED [1d\]: hehe Syptryn [3d\]: when time is right, h5 will own N4KED [1d\]: Well maybe he will capture then h5 Trivia [2k?\]: artem and Ilya look like 2 little kids. middle school champsionship mFz [3k\]: Ilia is weird zc3k [1k\]: very hard to b? jjermann [5d?\]: h5 is already occupied HlFl [-\]: weird like a fox NorthWind [5k\]: Trivia, you must be getting old like me eatramen [21k\]: lol codelyoko [5d\]: could i have the video link please ? eatramen [21k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 ] ;B[lk]C[Trivia [2k?\]: no, this shot Artem look like 12 year old really codelyoko [5d\]: thank you jjermann [5d?\]: b is too agressive mFz [3k\]: he has 16 NorthWind [5k\]: he's 17 beefree1: 18 maybe N4KED [1d\]: I thought he was 18 now Shedal [2d\]: B is defending... how can he be too aggressive? NorthWind [5k\]: Trivia, do the policemen start to look young ? :) jjermann [5d?\]: this is not just defend jjermann [5d?\]: he aims to attack w Trivia [2k?\]: "hey you punk you can't stop me" lol kim777 [1k\]: just greedy x) jjermann [5d?\]: why not just run out fast and light Sven84 [3k\]: artem92 <- guess the age ;) epoxygal [3k\]: 92? cherisse [1k\]: geesh i wish w captures b group in center Trivia [2k?\]: i dont fundamentally like this runout by B Trivia [2k?\]: 29? Shedal [2d\]: attack is the best defense, isn't it? epoxygal [3k\]: white cannot double hane misjoe [2k\]: 92 ? jjermann [5d?\]: you sure? zc3k [1k\]: L11 KILL epoxygal [3k\]: if u have seen the mysterious case of benjamin button, u know artem is 92 holynec [?\]: -_- epoxygal [3k\]: L11 is risky.... just9x9 [-\]: seeing m7 lib i would double hane in an instant jjermann [5d?\]: definitely, needs to be read N4KED [1d\]: l11 takes advantage of weakness mFz [3k\]: mind fight jjermann [5d?\]: I also think it is not possible epoxygal [3k\]: white himself dun have much libs Trivia [2k?\]: i dont see how double hane would work jjermann [5d?\]: but I am not so sure NorthWind [5k\]: Artem is nice clean-cut fella against the ruffian Ilya just9x9 [-\]: klose vs ribery grumpyjoe [-\]: is b survives intact though, white has very little HlFl [-\]: what a time to catch cold. poor Ilya. avio [2d\]: b can gat more libs by w's aji? eatramen [21k\]: 9x9 lmao schwiggity [6k\]: double hane GO Trivia [2k?\]: W is bound to get some profit here epoxygal [3k\]: black is aiming all 4 corners, and a live group in the center Elmarias [-\]: I sure hope those stoens and board and area are cleaned after this match kim777 [1k\]: lol eatramen [21k\]: lol epoxygal [3k\]: ilya is doing the same thing like with kang that day NorthWind [5k\]: like swamp Go cherisse [1k\]: huh? epoxygal [3k\]: i still cannot understand how kids can be so strong Somber [8k\]: lol kim777 [1k\]: the kids in go always the stronger :p Sven84 [3k\]: practice Somber [8k\]: because its not age that determines skill, but effort put into it NorthWind [5k\]: yeah gal, it's so unfair eh hirakawade [2d?\]: Epo> How old are you ? mmmd [2k?\]: more free time to invest into go Somber [8k\]: and kids have been alive long enough to learn nyuuhaafu [1k\]: steroids and hard work at the gym Dupaaxe [?\]: Only care for kids is to play :) kim777 [1k\]: more easy to learn when u are kids, than too old ^^' Sven84 [3k\]: lost against a 9 year old myself once in a tournament, that kid was scary beefree1: old age = apathy daal [3k?\]: Neither video link works for me. Both say "Off Air." jjermann [5d?\]: L9? ^^ Dupaaxe [?\]: They brain is not afected by smoke, drink orgy and so schwiggity [6k\]: lol Sven84 [3k\]: but all those people younger than me, kicking my ass really motivated me recently :D kim777 [1k\]: hehe NorthWind [5k\]: another kid has arrived to watch Trivia [2k?\]: mine works but only 69 viewers hirakawade [2d?\]: The youth depends on the spirit, not on age. sheeryjay [2k\]: Dupaaxe, and if I don't smoke, drink or orgy .. what other reason for their superiority? :) zc3k [1k\]: time? Elmarias [-\]: younger mind is easier to adapt and learn faster Trivia [2k?\]: Ilya still couging but doesn't look as red Elmarias [-\]: older mind is set in its ways N4KED [1d\]: M9 Is not an overplay?? NorthWind [5k\]: no, otherwise all yougsters would be strong players Trivia [2k?\]: ask 4 year olds who learn foreign language in 2 weeks Elmarias [-\]: younger minds are most malleable. though all minds are able to relearn, younger the brain, the easier it is kim777 [1k\]: 2 weeks ? x_x kim777 [1k\]: i want to go back at 4 years old for learning too x_x epoxygal [3k\]: kim, i want to go back to 2 years old Trivia [2k?\]: no not another high school lol Sven84 [3k\]: 13 years of school again? no thanks mmmd [2k?\]: i want to go back to .. well something young and get to know go then ... jenesis [4d?\]: this looks hard for white epoxygal [3k\]: groundhog day Trivia [2k?\]: actually i was really happy at high school. It's mmiddle school was miserable epoxygal [3k\]: white cant double hane, cant connect... need to take some drastic measures kim777 [1k\]: don't care of normal school :) grumpyjoe [-\]: can we get a kang update? kim777 [1k\]: want GO school :) Elmarias [-\]: kindergarten was the best 4 years of my life. XD lol epoxygal [3k\]: guojuan sensei, what do u think? mFz [3k\]: he is reading very deep .. daal [3k?\]: Problems with the video stream. Some can see it, some can't. epoxygal [3k\]: like he was reading with the game with Kang, and went on to smash her head sheeryjay [2k\]: Ilya almost stopped moving, wow :) N4KED [1d\]: 71 viewers jjermann [5d?\]: m11 cherisse [1k\]: someone give illia a handy/tissue NorthWind [5k\]: or a motorbike helmet N4KED [1d\]: I cant even open eurogotv.com though unless I use a proxy Trivia [2k?\]: is Ilya wearing the same shirt as yesaterday? cherisse [1k\]: is eurogotv2 down? N4KED [1d\]: Ilya didnt wear a shirt yesterday N4KED [1d\]: only a jacket DanielTom [5d\]: Ilya seems ill NorthWind [5k\]: no, yesterday he wasn't wearing a shirt eatramen [21k\]: ilia slept at the place Elmarias [-\]: no. im watching it in good picture Trivia [2k?\]: he did, after Trivia [2k?\]: toward the end, he was wearing this striped shirt eatramen [21k\]: he was eatramen [21k\]: but does it reakky matter eatramen [21k\]: *ll eatramen [21k\]: theyre there to play go and we're here to watch Elmarias [-\]: his hand..is in..the bowl... ] ;W[li]C[kim777 [1k\]: i remember a pro who spent more than 2 hour in a move, then he kill the half of the goban eatramen [21k\]: da,m eatramen [21k\]: *damn N4KED [1d\]: killing half goban is fun DanielTom [5d\]: usually, if you can kill half of the goban, you don't need to spend more than 1 min to think Nefeste [5k\]: and than he kill half of the observers EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol Fenix [?\]: hm time to watch old cartoon intros on tube till the next move comes up eatramen [21k\]: lmao DanielTom [5d\]: I would like to see n10 :-p jjermann [5d?\]: n10 fails jjermann [5d?\]: O11 Fenix [?\]: o11?? Blitzcore [3d\]: i think there is no way to kill half of the observers - as there will be witnesses then... kim777 [1k\]: :) Fenix [?\]: no way Dino9 [6d\]: yes, we want to see n10 boatlord [6d\]: probably the story goes "2 hours thinking.. plays a move. 150 moves later all according to plan everything dies" kim777 [1k\]: n 10 is crazy ._. jjermann [5d?\]: Dino9: n10 O11 then? Ignatius [1k\]: n10 o11 Dino9 [6d\]: n10 o11 o10 Fenix [?\]: and then N6 gets captured or what jjermann [5d?\]: hmm jjermann [5d?\]: ugly fight harpo [?\]: Sickskin should wear a face mask. he is infecting everybody else. jjermann [5d?\]: ok interesting Mipaline [6k?\]: j5 in sente before? Fenix [?\]: i guess b L11 or K9 (slow?) goatsunday [8k\]: TV stream off air? Katsuri [3k\]: ys Blitzcore [3d\]: a mask like hannibal? just9x9 [-\]: tv stream only for vip members atm NorthWind [5k\]: yes harpo, needs a biological hazrd sticker on his forehead qwedrfghjk: why just for vip ? harpo [?\]: that too Trivia [2k?\]: vip hehe ] ;B[ki]C[Trivia [2k?\]: registered members? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, is a joke ] ;W[kh]C[just9x9 [-\]: yes joke, some get it some get it not dunno why epoxygal [3k\]: this is power go. come all kyus, let's learn together NorthWind [5k\]: kyus rule kim777 [1k\]: x) Trivia [2k?\]: kyus cant learn together Trivia [2k?\]: they need some dan lessons cherisse [1k\]: yes i don't wanna be 1d! N4KED [1d\]: kyu pllayers...ha Blitzcore [3d\]: kyu power strong on kgs epoxygal [3k\]: yes to kyus... we are happy because we have more improvement potential altrecop [1k\]: kyus can't learn with this without guojuan explaining the game a bit :) ] ;B[jh]C[just9x9 [-\]: kgs kyu go server cherisse [1k\]: 1k is powerful, 1d knows nothing goatsunday [8k\]: I get joke, but not video. Fenix [?\]: hm this works? what if w K11 kim777 [1k\]: want to stay 1k too epoxygal [3k\]: and we kyus are superb kibitzers Trivia [2k?\]: guojuan rulz jocorbeau [2k\]: \\o/ Blitzcore [3d\]: no: kölner go server! altrecop [1k\]: or any of the 6d here :D VickyH [2d\]: i do not see a good continuation for w after b n10 eatramen [21k\]: kyugs! grumpyjoe [-\]: eurogo, how many matches will they play? Trivia [2k?\]: kyus are kyus because they spend too much time kibitzing and not enoug playing epoxygal [3k\]: Vicky, that's because u r not a kyu EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is round 7 of 10 grumpyjoe [-\]: cool, thanks Fenix [?\]: i wanna see wK11 really Parsa [1k?\]: connect? goatsunday [8k\]: How to get the video stream working? epoxygal [3k\]: why do they need to play so many rounds? WAGC was only 8 rounds, KPMC 7 rounds ] ;W[lh]C[kvartaali [?\]: why not? ] ;B[ii]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: epoxygal, EGC has like 400 players Trivia [2k?\]: 10 rounds is fun N4KED [1d\]: if eurogotv.com doesnt work then go on ustream goodminton [-\]: one would hate to be chased like this epoxygal [3k\]: should break them up into clusters and then swiss them ] ;W[jl]C[N4KED [1d\]: and look at the top streams....has 71 viewers Trivia [2k?\]: 5 weekdays x 2 Bembelbote [-\]: is ilya feeling better btw? looked pretty sick yesterday epoxygal [3k\]: tenuki. white mistake here goatsunday [8k\]: UStream doesn't work either. Both say "off air" eatramen [21k\]: top streams in gaming that is avio [2d\]: this is not an "european championship" but a summer camp cherisse [1k\]: illia still sickly :( Bembelbote [-\]: k :/ epoxygal [3k\]: poor ilya... this move is a mistake.... sheeryjay [2k\]: Also, just one week would not be enough, so why not make it 2 full weeks with some breaks and more fun jjermann [5d?\]: why K8 and no K9? hmm epoxygal [3k\]: soft, no initiative ] ;B[il]C[epoxygal [3k\]: good move cherisse [1k\]: was thinking of k9 too jfhjfj: wynes Blitzcore [3d\]: thx epoxygal Larrave [1d\]: ^^ StefanRadu [1k\]: i really enjoy my brothers comments. kyu comment are hilarious:) avio [2d\]: this is the european go summer camp, and this event's name is "main tournament" epoxygal [3k\]: hi brother kyu. we are good Blitzcore [3d\]: thx stefan :) N4KED [1d\]: roln gives 2 stones to artem Larrave [1d\]: k8 obvious move Larrave [1d\]: but not for kyus Larrave [1d\]: xD Fenix [?\]: how's the weather at egc? goodminton [-\]: k8 looks a little like a kyu threatening move epoxygal [3k\]: k8 is a mistake, brother epoxygal [3k\]: so hai Larrave [1d\]: i am not your brother;P Blitzcore [3d\]: for me there is nothing obvious in this situation - too many choices eatramen [21k\]: lol epoxygal [3k\]: my sister Onmyoji [-\]: roln 7d on kgs artem is 8d kit91ka [6k\]: играют русские ,которых обсуждают на английском) epoxygal [3k\]: so hai Larrave [1d\]: i left your foolish brotherhood! Larrave [1d\]: XD NorthWind [5k\]: daddy ! VickyH [2d\]: w thought b had to play l9? Oleksandr [1k\]: ))) Blitzcore [3d\]: k9 possible? kim777 [1k\]: kgs rank is nothing epoxygal [3k\]: white is bad here... omg.... Trivia [2k?\]: Олександр не верит шо русские grumpyjoe [-\]: wasn't roln kgs 9d at one time? goatsunday [8k\]: Choosing 'top stream" didn't work either. Oleksandr [1k\]: Артем юрайн NotAfraid [3d\]: ronl is here? goatsunday [8k\]: still says "off air" epoxygal [3k\]: J8 is a good move NotAfraid [3d\]: who is ronl Oleksandr [1k\]: юкрайн goodminton [-\]: k9 for b is too good kim777 [1k\]: roln can by 9d if he play full strenght :) eatramen [21k\]: i think 9dan on kgs is like 7d 8dish in real like maybe eatramen [21k\]: *life goatsunday [8k\]: maybe has to do with Java update yesterday? eatramen [21k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1 nanok [?\]: i think it's flash ] ;W[jk]C[N4KED [1d\]: oh what country are you? NorthWind [5k\]: 9d on KGS is 5 kyu who went to the dark side erna [7k\]: It depends..some kgs-9d are pro .... N4KED [1d\]: its blocked in some countries goatsunday [8k\]: in Germany goatsunday [8k\]: normally viewable N4KED [1d\]: shouldnt be blocked in germany DanielTom [5d\]: j7 Trivia [2k?\]: roln can't get to 9d grumpyjoe [-\]: well, i guess you have to be MilanMilan to be 9d now eatramen [21k\]: that is true erna or pro level at least Korea4K [2d\]: L9 no problem nanok [?\]: being in germany doesn't mean your ip address looks german, so beware.. N4KED [1d\]: grubby4k is pro? eatramen [21k\]: u know whats crazy in shogi a 4 dan amatuer is only 6 kyu on the professional scale o_0 NschoTschi [-\]: @#eatramen for me it is off air eatramen [21k\]: really its showing for me eatramen [21k\]: sorry then =/ ] ;B[kk]C[Blitzcore [3d\]: off ait for me Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+4.5 goodminton [-\]: b k9 instead of j8 might have been wiser Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone? epoxygal [3k\]: jfhjfj Trivia [2k?\]: lol onmyoji epoxygal [3k\]: with the white on top, black is in trouble Larrave [1d\]: i agree with you and se NorthWind [5k\]: Dracula ] ;W[pg]C[Larrave [1d\]: w+4,5 Blitzcore [3d\]: i count 443 viewers kim777 [1k\]: oh yeah Larrave [1d\]: okay now w+13,5 colorcoded [4k\]: i count 90 stones holynec [?\]: this is what i call a bonk on the head StefanRadu [1k\]: i dont count, i predict, cause im the oracole holynec [?\]: very strong ^^ Trivia [2k?\]: ilya going for the kill? Blitzcore [3d\]: on board 1; - 298 on board 2 - means board 1 wins by 145.5 eatramen [21k\]: radu ur a liar! epoxygal [3k\]: lets do some counting, ok.. Korea4K [2d\]: q12 goodminton [-\]: + 12 loki around r20 ^^ parvati [1k\]: is white roln Larrave [1d\]: yes he is rolling Larrave [1d\]: XD epoxygal [3k\]: white top around 60 points ] ;B[qh]C[holynec [?\]: o_O Fenix [?\]: w top isnt solid^^ parvati [1k\]: Larrave its your mind is rolling kim777 [1k\]: but corner whote still open Larrave [1d\]: you serious? kim777 [1k\]: white* NorthWind [5k\]: I think B will need to stop W from making too many points at top mihi [6d\]: w top about 30 epoxygal [3k\]: black also around the same... assume center dont die epoxygal [3k\]: so black has the burden of the komi holynec [?\]: black has cash holynec [?\]: big difference epoxygal [3k\]: damn, i am good Larrave [1d\]: black got solid territory Nino [2k\]: its always a good idea to stop the opponent from making too much points ;) Larrave [1d\]: white not that much solid kim777 [1k\]: to me black leading bcs he have cash faintvoice [1k\]: epoxygal [3k\]: white top around 60 points........................ holynec [?\]: r12 seems a little greedy, hmm faintvoice [1k\]: ........... epoxygal [3k\]: cash is not king. mastercard is king grumpyjoe [-\]: isn't b better here ogre [2d?\]: w trying to enable more severatttack epoxygal [3k\]: white total around 60 points, not top mihi [6d\]: if b C17 w top is 20 points Blitzcore [3d\]: r12 much cash... w must provve to get compensation? Larrave [1d\]: you said top around 60 points Fenix [?\]: q15? epoxygal [3k\]: mistake. i want to say total ] ;W[jg] ;B[ig] ;W[if]C[faintvoice [1k\]: ok........ Blitzcore [3d\]: epoxgal may you comment for us? NorthWind [5k\]: B could make similar on right side so not too serious just9x9 [-\]: why q13 btw? wasnt geta good enough at n10? ] ;B[jf] ;W[kg] ;B[hf] ;W[ie] ;B[hg]C[epoxygal [3k\]: if white can keep it, top can be 40-50 points though boatlord [6d\]: cant double hane and have geta Luna86 [9k\]: now it's time to cash in some are for w i think epoxygal [3k\]: blitxcore, sure... if you dont mind just9x9 [-\]: oh right eatramen [21k\]: this game doesnt look too pretty parvati [1k\]: c17 is still open NschoTschi [-\]: black seems fine Trivia [2k?\]: its a fine game epoxygal [3k\]: let's check the balance of teritory.... black is superior jenesis [4d?\]: it seems to me that artem always has a thick style, and ilya is just crazy good at fighting parvati [1k\]: how it can be 40-50 points... parvati [1k\]: 20 may be NorthWind [5k\]: matter of opinion .. I think it's very pretty epoxygal [3k\]: balance of power... black has sucessfully nullified whie's influence NschoTschi [-\]: c16 now? jenesis [4d?\]: its hard for ilya if opponent does not fight him ^^ epoxygal [3k\]: now is time for white to actively convert the investments to cash Larrave [1d\]: call ilya : tell him he should resign Onmyoji [-\]: ok epoxygal [3k\]: for example.....do something on top right.. there is aji there Onmyoji [-\]: no Mipaline [6k?\]: w position seems more confortable NschoTschi [-\]: not much possibloe in top right Onmyoji [-\]: top right is solid territory Luna86 [9k\]: o14 direction would be my favourite Larrave [1d\]: so much aji top right to diexD ogre [2d?\]: r14 r15 solid LEIBNIZ [3k\]: I heard another cough NschoTschi [-\]: did anybody count? LovroKlc [2k\]: B ahead boatlord [6d\]: first must think if w can pressure b middle group still parvati [1k\]: where is aji top right epoxygal [3k\]: the purpose is not to go in a live, Larrave, the purpose is to use the aji to seal up the N15 area, u understand? boatlord [6d\]: with a move like j9 first Kanin [-\]: it appears n8 is a little overplay epoxygal [3k\]: but playing p15 now looks dumb. so do something epoxygal [3k\]: inside. boatlord [6d\]: p15 enables r14 epoxygal [3k\]: R13 stones pillar looks like strong... but can be used ] ;W[qf]C[epoxygal [3k\]: see? ogre [2d?\]: r15 Onmyoji [-\]: r15 NorthWind [5k\]: effective can never be dumb WVoron [4d\]: q14 Karnesun [5d\]: q14 Elmarias [-\]: ilia keeps looking at artem like hes unsure about his move. epoxygal [3k\]: thanks to blitzcore for the chance for me to comment. ogre [2d?\]: i dont think q14 inviting complication is helpful to b HlFl [-\]: Ilya is suffering hirakawade [2d?\]: Q14 is a pro's move. epoxygal [3k\]: Q14 is what ilya wants.... Onmyoji [-\]: yes Onmyoji [-\]: he wants to fight epoxygal [3k\]: i am kyu, so i will play S14 and suffer big time hirakawade [2d?\]: R15 = amateur's move profan [6k?\]: hi hirakawade ^^ epoxygal [3k\]: haha hirakawade [2d?\]: hi kim777 [1k\]: if Hira say that's pro move , q 14 is the best one :) ogre [2d?\]: r15 would be pro move considering blance of territory epoxygal [3k\]: but if black R15, white will seal the outside terri grumpyjoe [-\]: they are not pros though NschoTschi [-\]: is Ilya still coughing as yesterday? ] ;B[pf]C[kim777 [1k\]: hehe snixen [13k\]: is eurogo tv offline? epoxygal [3k\]: ok... artem wants to fight epoxygal [3k\]: good move. hirakawade [2d?\]: Nice move !!! jjermann [5d?\]: Q14 Q15 P14 P15 then? epoxygal [3k\]: R15 is complacent kim777 [1k\]: ^_~ Dupaaxe [?\]: is not online for me :( Medice [-\]: is r18 here good timing, i wonder ] ;W[qb]C[Medice [-\]: oh yes just9x9 [-\]: wow just9x9 [-\]: nice hirakawade [2d?\]: Q14 is KIAI in Jydo or Aikido. Trivia [2k?\]: i just entered the address, and it worked epoxygal [3k\]: tesuji Larrave [1d\]: you expected this epoxygal? Larrave [1d\]: xD just9x9 [-\]: living or connect jim [6d\]: P14 epoxygal [3k\]: i told u earlier, Larrave, didnt I? jim [6d\]: and then cut at N10 Trivia [2k?\]: epoxygal is like boxxy. cute troll jim [6d\]: hmm dont work Larrave [1d\]: no you didnt epoxygal [3k\]: top right corner has bad aji. white is going to make use and seal up center terri. parvati [1k\]: epoxygal you shoud have told - "you see, i predicted it" eatramen [21k\]: yeey epox kyu power! parvati [1k\]: nevertheless you predicted opposite epoxygal [3k\]: we are kyus. we are proud to be kyus. Larrave [1d\]: why arent you at least 6d? epoxygal [3k\]: because this is my fun account. Trivia [2k?\]: guess she cant read ] ;B[pb]C[Syptryn [3d\]: mmm Syptryn [3d\]: can white live? jjermann [5d?\]: Q15 parvati [1k\]: fan or fun? epoxygal [3k\]: R18 is to make use of the R16 weakness goatsunday [8k\]: EurogoTV seems broken for some people. For others it works. Go figure starshine [5d\]: q15 p14 p15 r15 r16 s14 s15 r14 r17 epoxygal [3k\]: my master and teach Mr. MilanMilan is here hirakawade [2d?\]: Artem is brave and nice guy ! just9x9 [-\]: q15 p14 r15 p15 s17 isnt that alive? snixen [13k\]: eurogo tv worked perfectly for me yestoday :o Onmyoji [-\]: giev link EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 misha91 [2d\]: off air hirakawade [2d?\]: Q18= A stone can catch 2 birds. snixen [13k\]: off air for me :( Onmyoji [-\]: off air for me Vovka27 [3k\]: stream is "off Air" :( Besarionis [7k?\]: worknig fine for me epoxygal [3k\]: ilya is studying Q15. eatramen [21k\]: yeah same snixen [13k\]: well lucky you NorthWind [5k\]: Go Artemmmmmm colorcoded [4k\]: who cares about the stream, realy? Besarionis [7k?\]: 2 didn't work though for me WVoron [4d\]: w+++ Trivia [2k?\]: go Ilya defeat this hobbit epoxygal [3k\]: but before that, Q12 is a power move WVoron [4d\]: yes)) zakatan [6k\]: gas colorcoded [4k\]: it's just a classroom with two tables NorthWind [5k\]: haha, Artem ... defeat this goblin :) snixen [13k\]: i do, its more fun watching a real game :) ogre [2d?\]: q15 p14 p15 r15 r16 s14 s15 r14 r17 s16 s17 t15 q19 parvati [1k\]: could MilanMIlan comment a bit? ] ;W[pe] ;B[of]C[epoxygal [3k\]: yes! ] ;W[qe] ;B[oe]C[eatramen [21k\]: yes ! ] ;W[rc]C[eatramen [21k\]: please lol colorcoded [4k\]: i actually walked out of the egf to watch games online, sitting and with airconditioning epoxygal [3k\]: power for the kyus! colorcoded [4k\]: egc* ] ;B[qc]C[zc3k [1k\]: ho ya ] ;W[rd] ;B[rb]C[mictromb [1d\]: W is alive ? Draxt [3k\]: no Dino9 [6d\]: semeai justwhite [-\]: super dead MilanChe [-\]: hard cherisse [1k\]: what's happening!!! Korea4K [2d\]: w lost the game go1d [4d\]: ?? cherisse [1k\]: nooo!!! WVoron [4d\]: w+ Shedal [2d\]: W did? Onmyoji [-\]: w too dead NorthWind [5k\]: take that goblin ....mwahaha miammiam [2d\]: hmm... aji with cuts in P16 and ko ogre [2d?\]: w should have played p15 instead of r15? HlFl [-\]: no ring of power? Trivia [2k?\]: if ko W should be happy weak5k [2k\]: who ahead? cherisse [1k\]: T_T epoxygal [3k\]: white has made 2 mistakes so far Draxt [3k\]: q12 ? Lesmian [1k\]: ilya is good at killing with dead stones ] ;W[sb] ;B[ra] ;W[rf]C[LEIBNIZ [3k\]: Ilia dares Artem to respond... effectively avio [2d\]: b has cuting points outside snowman [-\]: we almost got a heart attack, harry nogonow [1k\]: ?// A1R [4k\]: alive? cherisse [1k\]: i choked on my macaroni there just9x9 [-\]: lol snow Onmyoji [-\]: maybe EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ Onmyoji [-\]: w has p16 cut jenesis [4d?\]: at this point someone is misreading ^^ Onmyoji [-\]: maybe b needs to protect miammiam [2d\]: lol jenesis epoxygal [3k\]: nothing to worry for black epoxygal [3k\]: S13 is a superb move zc3k [1k\]: blue like a yokohama for w A1R [4k\]: the possible cut at p16 is dangerous for b...so if cvut semeai which b will lose? epoxygal [3k\]: P16 cut is nothing ogre [2d?\]: w want to eat p14 stones miammiam [2d\]: P16 and later P12 but it sounds to be lost semiai nogonow [1k\]: black win MoeTheDoom [5k\]: белый хочет глаз и ко =) just9x9 [-\]: even if w cut b has seki imho nogonow [1k\]: hehe epoxygal [3k\]: black win jjermann [5d?\]: yeah jjermann [5d?\]: w alive I think epoxygal [3k\]: ilya's sencond mistake lose him the game ogre [2d?\]: cuttong stone on q13 already there cherisse [1k\]: :( epoxygal [3k\]: unless artem is so uncool like his game with kang that day Lesmian [1k\]: seki would be disaster for b just9x9 [-\]: what was his first? WVoron [4d\]: w+++ beefree1: t15 only move right?> epoxygal [3k\]: cant be seki jjermann [5d?\]: but even if w is alive the game is not lost for b ogre [2d?\]: no. t15 bad ogre [2d?\]: s13 cherisse [1k\]: illa left his chair!!! epoxygal [3k\]: S13 A1R [4k\]: after p16...o18? kuruhuru9 [6k\]: oh jjermann [5d?\]: epoxygal: b has to care for his group first epoxygal [3k\]: T15 is bad. lol mictromb [1d\]: O16 S13 S12 T15 N17 ? Besarionis [7k?\]: it's hard enough for patient people to sit around for so long ogre [2d?\]: yea kuruhuru9 [6k\]: it's the sign Besarionis [7k?\]: and he was fidgiting like crazy when he was sitting Larrave [1d\]: whats your estimation epoxygal? epoxygal [3k\]: his group is not in danger.... white has to worry first WVoron [4d\]: p12 HlFl [-\]: bet Artem learned a lot from that game with Kang Trivia [2k?\]: ilya seems confident in his reading Ameise [2d\]: where did that egtv-site go ? epoxygal [3k\]: my estimation is S13. ogre [2d?\]: w want to capture p14 stone Optician [1k\]: s13 is typical pro shape :) WVoron [4d\]: or o12 jjermann [5d?\]: epoxygal: his group is in danger jjermann [5d?\]: P16 cut parvati [1k\]: r13 or q14 can be attacked if B cut? Katsuri [3k\]: is somewher the love tv working epoxygal [3k\]: u mean the P15 group? Elmarias [-\]: during long games, when i get too much energy and impatience, i leave, run in place and do pushups till im tired. jjermann [5d?\]: yes miammiam [2d\]: yes mictromb, black is computing if this is indeed better than the semiai jjermann [5d?\]: or the top jjermann [5d?\]: miai after cut holynec [?\]: never did like that r12 -,- Larrave [1d\]: white got at least a ko WVoron [4d\]: b need n10 Piggen94 [5k\]: n16 Larrave [1d\]: i think hes satistfied with koXD Larrave [1d\]: maybe zc3k [1k\]: Not so delicated ogre [2d?\]: but to kill w locally you want to go s13 not t15. its all i meant to say tapir [2d\]: isn't s13 enough? black can make an eye at o18 anyway A1R [4k\]: exchange...? b m17 N4KED [1d\]: ko fight would be for both players hottttttt [-\]: w died? epoxygal [3k\]: after S13, T14 will create shortage of libs for white Piggen94 [5k\]: n16 n17 m16 m17 l17 ? jjermann [5d?\]: typir: but if b makes an eye w will kill P15 ] ;B[mc]C[NorthWind [5k\]: ooh epoxygal [3k\]: hmm Trivia [2k?\]: b bail out mictromb [1d\]: :) ] ;W[nd]C[hottttttt [-\]: why? jjermann [5d?\]: he had to WVoron [4d\]: lol WVoron [4d\]: b hottttttt [-\]: cant black kill white? Larrave [1d\]: you expected this epoxygal? mictromb [1d\]: same than J8 ] ;B[od]C[Onmyoji [-\]: lol epoxygal [3k\]: larrave, i did not Larrave [1d\]: why not Trivia [2k?\]: yes artem learnt from his game with Kang: don't play with big boys and gals epoxygal [3k\]: S13 was the only move for me Larrave [1d\]: shame above your head hototo [8k\]: keima déchiré epoxygal [3k\]: larrave miammiam [2d\]: i dont find N17 that strong ogre [2d?\]: its pretty amazing that ilia can make an invasion like this DapperDan [4k\]: very strange looking game WVoron [4d\]: t15 NorthWind [5k\]: please don't harass our gal you rough dan boys :) epoxygal [3k\]: i not looking for trouble with u larrave, ok? jjermann [5d?\]: is w thinking about P18? jjermann [5d?\]: that is crazy ] ;W[ob]C[faintvoice [1k\]: gay.... A1R [4k\]: werent o16 kinda sente? jjermann [5d?\]: ^^ A1R [4k\]: for b misha91 [2d\]: kill! N4KED [1d\]: dang WVoron [4d\]: omg Piggen94 [5k\]: i would play n16 epoxygal [3k\]: P12 Onmyoji [-\]: kill N4KED [1d\]: roln laughing at artme jjermann [5d?\]: but I was a good predictor ^^ epoxygal [3k\]: jjermann,u r good Onmyoji [-\]: try to kill Onmyoji [-\]: pls WVoron [4d\]: силен .... epoxygal [3k\]: i may lose to u if i play u cherisse [1k\]: why p18? omg jjermann [5d?\]: but this I find a bit crazy jjermann [5d?\]: w is not alive N4KED [1d\]: its a ko for both players Mipaline [6k?\]: s3 jjermann [5d?\]: and b has many liberties compared to w sohigh [1k\]: t15 andy1975 [1d\]: b position seems better Mipaline [6k?\]: ss13 N4KED [1d\]: B no eye yet H16 [1d\]: t15 just... NorthWind [5k\]: p12 boatlord [6d\]: w secures half of top with this gogonuts [5d\]: t15 Onmyoji [-\]: plzz try to kill artem Larrave [1d\]: you forget that right side was blacks territory to begin with ogre [2d?\]: is t15 better than s13? miammiam [2d\]: T15 or resign if he reads it to the end ;-) ? boatlord [6d\]: and good chances of either life or semeai Optician [1k\]: n15 WVoron [4d\]: е15 ифв ] ;B[me]C[WVoron [4d\]: t15 bad DapperDan [4k\]: this is bizarre A1R [4k\]: o12 sente for b? DapperDan [4k\]: i can't tell what's going on cherisse [1k\]: t15 now!!! epoxygal [3k\]: welcome to the kyu club dapper jjermann [5d?\]: why doesnt w play S13?? zc3k [1k\]: n i wonder still i wonder who stop the rain gogonuts [5d\]: interesting move epoxygal [3k\]: S13 is the only urgent place i see... anyway, i am 3kyu norsu [1d\]: b wants m12 NschoTschi [-\]: t15 is life sgjiehui [3d?\]: good move A1R [4k\]: how did you paly stefan? miammiam [2d\]: Wvoron: why t15 bad ? because it ends gote and better to do N15 sente ? A1R [4k\]: paly* Piggen94 [5k\]: is b trying to kill m12??? A1R [4k\]: play* eatramen [21k\]: yeah i dont understand a lot of the moves DDK power eatramen [21k\]: ! Onmyoji [-\]: lllol NschoTschi [-\]: eatramen you are sandbagger epoxygal [3k\]: both are power player and greedy. artem eye the N10 move Optician [1k\]: b is seeking shape and liberties to allow s13 jjermann [5d?\]: epoxygal: this is too high level for me to see clearly eatramen [21k\]: whats a sandbagger? Deluded [1d?\]: the question seems to b whats bigger.. top or side and both agree top Shedal [2d\]: "Good move" — should be said on 99.5% moves in this kind of games Piggen94 [5k\]: b want´s to connect k14 Fenix [?\]: this seems good for b epoxygal [3k\]: black can break into top... he is planning Larrave [1d\]: confirm please your precise approximation of 99.5% Fenix [?\]: b could kill S14, or he can devastate top side Larrave [1d\]: ^^ jjermann [5d?\]: L15 for b WVoron [4d\]: n16 tharkun [2k\]: eurogotv: how much time do they have left ? tharkun [2k\]: please Fenix [?\]: or rather, this doesnt look bad for b gogonuts [5d\]: the fight looks harder for w NorthWind [5k\]: loads ] ;W[ph]C[epoxygal [3k\]: yes! ] ;B[qi]C[epoxygal [3k\]: told u A1R [4k\]: gogonuts, how did you play? ] ;W[pi] ;B[pj] ;W[qj]C[Larrave [1d\]: ugly cut EuroGoTV1 [-\]: W81 B 87 minutes left zc3k [1k\]: high press Trivia [2k?\]: w wants to live in sente? gogonuts [5d\]: q10 looks hasty ShusakuSai [8k\]: some games are already finished ? (other boards ?) tharkun [2k\]: thank you harry norsu [1d\]: isn't 99.5% means that 199 of 200 are good moves? Wagaboo [10k\]: p11 ? WVoron [4d\]: q18 dead nyuuhaafu [1k\]: W+76.5 miammiam [2d\]: this cut => white alive and asks is black alive ? ogre [2d?\]: wow ogre [2d?\]: w so strong epoxygal [3k\]: P11 gogonuts [5d\]: p10? jjermann [5d?\]: P10? zc3k [1k\]: w looks like zc Optician [1k\]: p10 looks good ] ;B[rj]C[Vovka27 [3k\]: p10, but w lives in sente) sgjiehui [3d?\]: ?? epoxygal [3k\]: from 3k to 5d, all predited wrong gogonuts [5d\]: now w gets p10 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: p10 then white squeezes and lives in sente misha91 [2d\]: r9 p10 ? Dino9 [6d\]: p10 s10 w would live sgjiehui [3d?\]: i think white wants to live in sente zc3k [1k\]: T15 Optician [1k\]: i w p10 b takes and w is not yet alive gogonuts [5d\]: cranes nest good enough for b imo KoReNJe [3d\]: m17 looks bigger than big Syptryn [3d\]: If white is not careful though, N9 cut will work after white fporces black to capture 3 gogonuts [5d\]: was good enoug rather miammiam [2d\]: P10 for aji on the N10 cut ? ] ;W[md]C[sgjiehui [3d?\]: ? twold [1k\]: o_O woodpecker [3k\]: white simply refuses to live in gote :D EuroGoTV1 [-\]: r9 epoxygal [3k\]: O11 is power move ogre [2d?\]: w lived group keep top stay connected DapperDan [4k\]: I think balck has it wrapped up ] ;B[oj]C[gogonuts [5d\]: good for b ogre [2d?\]: sacrifice just 3 stones ] ;W[rg]C[Piggen94 [5k\]: 30k problem Syptryn [3d\]: N-10 cut can work DapperDan [4k\]: I say game over Larrave [1d\]: cut works now EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now white alive in gote Wagaboo [10k\]: n10 n10 !! gogonuts [5d\]: r9? Bembelbote [-\]: r9 DapperDan [4k\]: p11 or p13 epoxygal [3k\]: P8 huge Fenix [?\]: R9 twold [1k\]: yeah, r9 is nice miammiam [2d\]: S12 first beefree1: t15 profan [6k?\]: o12? epoxygal [3k\]: P8 please Fenix [?\]: R9 is sente after all and removes all aji epoxygal [3k\]: P8 please twold [1k\]: s12 t15 then what? twold [1k\]: leaves aji behind EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i would r9 Lukan [5d\]: r9 misha91 [2d\]: r9 Optician [1k\]: s12 forces w to live epoxygal [3k\]: or B16 bigger? ] ;B[ni]C[DapperDan [4k\]: ok that's kind of clever gogonuts [5d\]: possible N4KED [1d\]: what? NschoTschi [-\]: c16 now test1246 [5k\]: n10 before? epoxygal [3k\]: he looking at L15? Syptryn [3d\]: err NorthWind [5k\]: n10 threat Piggen94 [5k\]: n10? DapperDan [4k\]: thats real nice move Syptryn [3d\]: can't white live in sente with s-11 Syptryn [3d\]: ? whatisgo [2d\]: 011 so nice Syptryn [3d\]: and then connect cut? epoxygal [3k\]: dapper, i said about O11 a long time ago... Piggen94 [5k\]: w must play n10 domi999 [2k\]: can some one give me the link for image plz Wagaboo [10k\]: w will play n10 Shakaponk [7k?\]: S 11 ? kvartaali [?\]: r9 first? Syptryn [3d\]: s11 gogonuts [5d\]: p11 is pretty bad aji Trivia [2k?\]: you said P8 epo avio [2d\]: s11 gogonuts [5d\]: w r9 now profan [6k?\]: is n10 too bad? epoxygal [3k\]: before P8 i said O11 epoxygal [3k\]: anyways... Shakaponk [7k?\]: But with S11 w lives Wagaboo [10k\]: s11 is sente Trivia [2k?\]: well since P8 is such a bad move that betrays your depth epoxygal [3k\]: B16 looks huge to me though Wagaboo [10k\]: and good DapperDan [4k\]: I guess s11 Syptryn [3d\]: I don't think o-11 that good epoxygal [3k\]: or C17 straight, even Syptryn [3d\]: white can lvie in sente bot anyway faintvoice [1k\]: w already alive ] ;W[ri]C[Piggen94 [5k\]: s11 r9 s12 r10 n10 ? ] ;B[qk]C[Shakaponk [7k?\]: héhé ] ;W[rh]C[jnaksu [14k?\]: oh yay TV is working, did they fix it or was it the java update avio [2d\]: s11 cuts p15 group? norsu [1d\]: n10 Syptryn [3d\]: and then connect n10 grumpyjoe [-\]: b should s12 first, no? Syptryn [3d\]: black got no side Trivia [2k?\]: Ilya is relieved epoxygal [3k\]: cannot cut yet, my brother gogonuts [5d\]: o11 did not get the desired result DapperDan [4k\]: black thinking I don't want to connect but i have to N4KED [1d\]: o11 seems lame DapperDan [4k\]: this stinks Kaitokid [5k\]: o13 Syptryn [3d\]: n10 olkipojka [10k\]: b n10 Syptryn [3d\]: actually Syptryn [3d\]: n10 sgjiehui [3d?\]: n10 Trivia [2k?\]: n10 is upper group buh-bye miammiam [2d\]: R10 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tv works because i am not using the local netwrk misha91 [2d\]: streaming is working misha91 [2d\]: =) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 WVoron [4d\]: n10 //hm DapperDan [4k\]: dude connect you need to mictromb [1d\]: connect than C17 sgjiehui [3d?\]: cut Lukan [5d\]: n10! Larrave [1d\]: ilya doping goatsunday [8k\]: Thanks for the fix, whatever you did, Harry. jjermann [5d?\]: J10 then R10? epoxygal [3k\]: just connect, dude, no need to analysis paralysis Larrave [1d\]: hes not sick Larrave [1d\]: xD Piggen94 [5k\]: n10! beefree1: n10 only move jnaksu [14k?\]: Thanks Harry :) WVoron [4d\]: w c15 huge jjermann [5d?\]: N10 then R10? N4KED [1d\]: n10 lame sameasyou [2d\]: b has to play n10 now or else the game is over miammiam [2d\]: R10 because N10 is gote and allows to kill Q18 sgjiehui [3d?\]: nq0 sgjiehui [3d?\]: q0 gogonuts [5d\]: b is spending some time beeing annoyed with himself Shedal [2d\]: why is it over? sgjiehui [3d?\]: 10 mmmd [2k?\]: if white N10 won't white cut then ? sameasyou [2d\]: w has too many points sgjiehui [3d?\]: b n10 epoxygal [3k\]: just connect and O11's power still there ogre [2d?\]: b needs to get some idea what to go into the endgame with boatlord [6d\]: I dont think w can cut just9x9 [-\]: finally stream works for me, good work harry thx Unefoix [1k\]: n10 10 p13 ] ;B[qj]C[epoxygal [3k\]: yes Deluded [1d?\]: r10 sente epoxygal [3k\]: good boy jjermann [5d?\]: yes jjermann [5d?\]: had to protect Mukti [4d\]: B lost about 4 points in sente... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but because of all trouble the betting for the next move is not up to date basil [3d\]: there wasnt a cut. Unefoix [1k\]: n10 r10 p13 wasn't ok for black? N4KED [1d\]: or else o12 grumpyjoe [-\]: why didn't b just s12 first? it was sente sgjiehui [3d?\]: ? epoxygal [3k\]: N1o then black C17 epoxygal [3k\]: black wins EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so dont bet, you lose ] ;W[mg]C[DapperDan [4k\]: is t 15 needed epoxygal [3k\]: lol dapper.... just9x9 [-\]: is there a betting as well at which move you will loose track? :P goatsunday [8k\]: Ilyas groups just don't die DapperDan [4k\]: guess not gogonuts [5d\]: nice jjermann [5d?\]: very nice move Fenix [?\]: oh dear, video started.. adhd buddha meditating miammiam [2d\]: for once, score estimator is right... ogre [2d?\]: made u look jjermann [5d?\]: the top right situation was a total sucess for w sameasyou [2d\]: se not right...b way behind now MacArthur [2d\]: how much time they have? epoxygal [3k\]: indeed jjemann, and someone told me upper right is solid territry for black NorthWind [5k\]: 500 + observing again ] ;B[nf]C[just9x9 [-\]: but se gets the status of the groups right, thats quite sth ogre [2d?\]: maybe b shoulda gone at r15 afterall sameasyou [2d\]: after w defend n10 b has to play c17 eatramen [21k\]: here cometh the sun! basil [3d\]: slick Fenix [?\]: c15 epoxygal [3k\]: only move to protect the cut and secure the Q13 stones ehoumaki [1d\]: (´≖ ◡ ≖`) Syptryn [3d\]: na, bl;ack still has good chance Piggen94 [5k\]: b16 Piggen94 [5k\]: oops Syptryn [3d\]: he'll get sente here for c-17 miammiam [2d\]: no epoxygal, it was possible to drop N15 to get corner sente NorthWind [5k\]: B still hopes to use k14 aji ? epoxygal [3k\]: white will let go of the N9 stones? miammiam [2d\]: instead of K14, N10 is larger ;-) WVoron [4d\]: c15 beefree1: how much money does euro champ get? NorthWind [5k\]: both together Fenix [?\]: oh artem is already married? that's pretty early eatramen [21k\]: 1234567890 epoxygal [3k\]: C17 is inevitable ] ;W[ng] ;B[og] ;W[nh]C[ogre [2d?\]: probably g16 or something would be activating the k14 aji ] ;B[oh]C[dter [7k\]: b is artem92 ? ] ;W[mi]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: why cant i bet? Blitzcore [3d\]: yes epoxygal [3k\]: now! NorthWind [5k\]: yes eatramen [21k\]: artem is 50, nothing early about that dter [7k\]: wow cherisse [1k\]: ! Hotaru1993 [4k\]: xD ] ;B[hd]C[ogre [2d?\]: h16 huh epoxygal [3k\]: huh gogonuts [5d\]: nasty Blitzcore [3d\]: nonsense - he is92 of course ogre [2d?\]: i was thinking g16.. close Hotaru1993 [4k\]: im from 93 Hotaru1993 [4k\]: xD ] ;W[he]C[epoxygal [3k\]: larrave, i didnt expect that. i expect C17 gogonuts [5d\]: wow und [12k?\]: i am from 95 Sifiro [10k?\]: yes EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'm from 91 =D mictromb [1d\]: G16 alanis [1k\]: n18 big no ? ] ;B[le]C[Deluded [1d?\]: t15 does kill or am i missing smthing? ogre [2d?\]: c17 would have been less corner epoxygal [3k\]: black plays dangerously eatramen [21k\]: 91 too eatramen [21k\]: !!!!!!!!!! sameasyou [2d\]: black greedy eatramen [21k\]: =) ogre [2d?\]: b plays dangerously? what about w mictromb [1d\]: yes erna [7k\]: 1952! Hotaru1993 [4k\]: 1875 Blitzcore [3d\]: 1970 A1R [4k\]: black will connect his stones eatramen [21k\]: hotaru ur 93 -_- cherisse [1k\]: keep your cool illia! Hotaru1993 [4k\]: XD und [12k?\]: 2010 Fenix [?\]: w's gonna adhd it in sente and take the corner gogonuts [5d\]: h16 nice preparation ] ;W[ld]C[WVoron [4d\]: j9 big epoxygal [3k\]: madness.... misha91 [2d\]: l14 & ] ;B[kf]C[vannab [3k\]: 30 BC miammiam [2d\]: noone with 2011 joke ? NorthWind [5k\]: hmm Hotaru1993 [4k\]: 2011 goitis [4d\]: all die beefree1: ok eatramen [21k\]: lol IceSpectre [4k\]: huh ? beefree1: how can w win now? Fenix [?\]: waiiit what sameasyou [2d\]: holy!!! CreazyJ [3d\]: o.0 Trivia [2k?\]: hhwaaat? sameasyou [2d\]: ko Fenix [?\]: he did this on purpose? N4KED [1d\]: art umm Unefoix [1k\]: oo play234 [-\]: w just lives locally Blitzcore [3d\]: w will live beefree1: was that a mistake? mmmd [2k?\]: no ko engelchen [1d\]: ko IceSpectre [4k\]: how ? Unefoix [1k\]: ko Besarionis [7k?\]: all i saw was an unhappy face H16 [1d\]: n14 just... mmmd [2k?\]: N14 ogre [2d?\]: w need to make another eye sameasyou [2d\]: ah sameasyou [2d\]: no ko Besarionis [7k?\]: did he make any cool noises? Draxt [3k\]: m14 n14 beefree1: oh i see Fenix [?\]: artem looks like "lulz" und [12k?\]: ko cherisse [1k\]: yes w can't die \\o/ GoIsBoring [3d\]: n14 zido [1k\]: w just live n14 m14 N4KED [1d\]: white n14 beefree1: haha, no ko threat that big boatlord [6d\]: n14 m14 WVoron [4d\]: omg miammiam [2d\]: ko and life play234 [-\]: oh wait, he can ogre [2d?\]: its forced tho Unefoix [1k\]: n14 black m14 Draxt [3k\]: ha yeah Syptryn [3d\]: true its ko... or black coild let white live and get to play G15 and G-16 avio [2d\]: ko play234 [-\]: poor roln epoxygal [3k\]: ilya drops the game cherisse [1k\]: hahaha "lulz" Syptryn [3d\]: breaking into whites side... und [12k?\]: n 14 doesnt work IceSpectre [4k\]: ohh right no ko gogonuts [5d\]: trouble, n14 doesnt work for w sameasyou [2d\]: still ko sameasyou [2d\]: n14 doesb't work eatramen [21k\]: ilia looks really worried resgination coming soon Apprenti [1d\]: n14 m14 o15 m13 Piggen94 [5k\]: w dead Blitzcore [3d\]: both ko ogre [2d?\]: oh yea Piggen94 [5k\]: i knew b´s plan Syptryn [3d\]: illy has loca threats fekand3 [1d\]: m14 DanielTom [5d\]: W misread? Draxt [3k\]: n14 m14 m13 o15 ogre [2d?\]: oiotoshi holynec [?\]: what is this?! DapperDan [4k\]: o dear grumpyjoe [-\]: whatever happens is good for b jenesis [4d?\]: looks like w misread beefree1: b can only gain from this NorthWind [5k\]: k14 aji was useful after all norsu [1d\]: w thought n14 o15 Piggen94 [5k\]: m14 n14 l15 m13 ... cherisse [1k\]: holy moly ko! luciangela [5k\]: l15 A1R [4k\]: why not just n14? DapperDan [4k\]: just resign now und [12k?\]: b has big threats chimbba [2k\]: w misread DanielTom [5d\]: poor Ilya mictromb [1d\]: Illia est mal ogre [2d?\]: n14 m14 o15 m13 gogonuts [5d\]: looks like m14 is ws only option - pretty terrible NschoTschi [-\]: ko cherisse [1k\]: i'm confused McLean [?\]: still ko Wagaboo [10k\]: agree with ogre epoxygal [3k\]: he misread N10 empty triangle beefree1: b + r RiT [5d\]: w has no ko sameasyou [2d\]: artem really strong...didn't expect him to give Ilya so many troubles Draxt [3k\]: ko N4KED [1d\]: o12 bad timming Fenix [?\]: b could play awesome ko threats at top cherisse [1k\]: w n15 epoxygal [3k\]: ok all kyus, now learn, "empty triangles are bad" Fenix [?\]: b K16 will be so great cherisse [1k\]: w n14* A1R [4k\]: ok Dino9 [6d\]: ko..... gogonuts [5d\]: sure its ko miammiam [2d\]: H15 was the key losing move sameasyou [2d\]: W has ko....m14 is ko beefree1: b is like clint eastwood DETOX [4k\]: Where from is Artem? epoxygal [3k\]: is ko at best ogre [2d?\]: i think b is winning andy1975 [1d\]: w n14 ] ;W[lf] ;B[mf]C[miammiam [2d\]: was H16 a kind of trick ? ;-) DapperDan [4k\]: artem from ukraine ] ;W[ke]C[epoxygal [3k\]: yea ] ;B[lg]C[play234 [-\]: no ko threat Fenix [?\]: oh wait, misread -.- NschoTschi [-\]: j12 grumpyjoe [-\]: ignore A1R [4k\]: ugly ko for w! cherisse [1k\]: NOO o o o sameasyou [2d\]: come on...threaten me :) Dino9 [6d\]: B will win this game McLean [?\]: k10 und [12k?\]: yeah mythfrance [2k\]: gg ogre [2d?\]: l10 is NOT ko threat Lukan [5d\]: w lost epoxygal [3k\]: no way white can win this DanielTom [5d\]: poor Ilya Karnesun [5d\]: The ring it's the present of his girlfriend... cherisse [1k\]: poor illia Draxt [3k\]: ignore whatever and win? Hellhuman [1d\]: artem wins this tournament ^.^v McLean [?\]: oh NorthWind [5k\]: ko to win ogre [2d?\]: i mean j10 is not ko threat miammiam [2d\]: K8 ? beefree1: haha face palm twold [1k\]: there is no threat, is there? DapperDan [4k\]: resign time Dino9 [6d\]: k11 local Blitzcore [3d\]: k10 no threat! epoxygal [3k\]: black will give anything ] ;W[kl]C[McLean [?\]: yes Fenix [?\]: geez thar is no threatz cherisse [1k\]: --♥--> epoxygal [3k\]: take und [12k?\]: uhh Karnesun [5d\]: n12 DapperDan [4k\]: I say connect ogre [2d?\]: eat eat? Dino9 [6d\]: don't take DanielTom [5d\]: White=no chance miammiam [2d\]: take and resgn ? DapperDan [4k\]: keep it going mictromb [1d\]: take gogonuts [5d\]: finish the ko cherisse [1k\]: T_T Syptryn [3d\]: connect Wagaboo [10k\]: taker Fenix [?\]: connect yeah Wagaboo [10k\]: take holynec [?\]: free points scurge [5d\]: this is such a minus :( Fenix [?\]: b has more threats und [12k?\]: dont AKE misha91 [2d\]: n12 Dino9 [6d\]: don't take!!!!! sameasyou [2d\]: he has to count epoxygal [3k\]: just take artem re343e: not take T15 is kodate for black Fenix [?\]: it's a 50 dkp minus for w holynec [?\]: take it Syptryn [3d\]: black has T_15 threat... epoxygal [3k\]: just take it ogre [2d?\]: go artem! sameasyou [2d\]: I don't think he will take gooooo [10k\]: fenix, MORE DOTS! epoxygal [3k\]: take it brother miammiam [2d\]: why don't take ???? andy1975 [1d\]: take sameasyou [2d\]: he has to play the ko Fenix [?\]: more ko.. STOP KO IceSpectre [4k\]: n12 sente ? Hellhuman [1d\]: is ilya ill? cherisse [1k\]: take is little sameasyou [2d\]: m7 DapperDan [4k\]: here's the deal make white sweat let him think he has a chance Nhane [2k\]: black has a lot of threats... norsu [1d\]: take!!! weak5k [1k\]: n12 sente for b? gabigo [4k?\]: take and atari Syptryn [3d\]: taking is gote for black Draxt [3k\]: k7 Syptryn [3d\]: not good deal NorthWind [5k\]: Ilya shakes his head avio [2d\]: take is 20 points with gote ogre [2d?\]: yea Syptryn [3d\]: white will get C-16 DanielTom [5d\]: Ilya wanted to win 10 in a row, but it is not possible WVoron [4d\]: vlf gogonuts [5d\]: taking is sente avio [2d\]: maybe less than 20 DanielTom [5d\]: go artem! misha91 [2d\]: t15 can be next move for black ogre [2d?\]: this flower ko b want to keep going Hellhuman [1d\]: artem 4 7d! Wagaboo [10k\]: more than 20 Somber [8k\]: lol Dino9 [6d\]: taking is very bad WVoron [4d\]: мда уж... Somber [8k\]: its hardly sente Syptryn [3d\]: black needs to captur N-10 too epoxygal [3k\]: but black has many ko threats Syptryn [3d\]: so gote Draxt [3k\]: taking O13 is sente taking more is gote miammiam [2d\]: Dino9, you want dont take for having longer game ? take is the easy way for win, no ? A1R [4k\]: o10 threat? misjoe [2k\]: I trust the Dino cherisse [1k\]: GAH Syptryn [3d\]: Black needs to take more Dino9 [6d\]: if B take, he lose und [12k?\]: yes sameasyou [2d\]: yup Syptryn [3d\]: exactly sakyyra [8k\]: Артем вперед!!!!) mictromb [1d\]: why ? Syptryn [3d\]: black needs to connect misha91 [2d\]: m7 m14 t15 NschoTschi [-\]: w still in the game avio [2d\]: if takes w gets L7 points StefanRadu [1k\]: what if he doesnt take.. and he playes m7 and after w takes the ko black plays o10? WVoron [4d\]: m7 then b t15 kpumuk [2d\]: w lost ~6 Karnesun [5d\]: АРтем! NschoTschi [-\]: you overestimate cash stuff ] ;B[mh]C[sameasyou [2d\]: amazing Fenix [?\]: aw Jokke7 [7k\]: how is n12 lose? will never understand Syptryn [3d\]: ... Apprenti [1d\]: :o Shedal [2d\]: hehe DapperDan [4k\]: oh wow cherisse [1k\]: huhuhu Dino9 [6d\]: no..... WVoron [4d\]: lol McLean [?\]: take is enough epoxygal [3k\]: ah! DanielTom [5d\]: W is still in the game ] ;W[lm]C[Blitzcore [3d\]: b take and c17 Fenix [?\]: why not M7 :| epoxygal [3k\]: enough ] ;B[mj]C[Karnesun [5d\]: does camera on-line? jim [6d\]: oh white resign soon Shedal [2d\]: is he? DapperDan [4k\]: guess he thinks it's enough Syptryn [3d\]: white fine Syptryn [3d\]: black didn't gain Syptryn [3d\]: much NschoTschi [-\]: c16 jim [6d\]: G15, N9 , C17 all good yose for black Syptryn [3d\]: this cost black gote Fenix [?\]: J16 ogre [2d?\]: at least b has sente NorthWind [5k\]: yay Go Artemmm Syptryn [3d\]: sad sameasyou [2d\]: c16 for w now play234 [-\]: w still has a chance ogre [2d?\]: oh yea beefree1: ukraine ftw ogre [2d?\]: gote lol Dino9 [6d\]: w has to G15 AhSayuni [4d\]: h10 or upper left? Fenix [?\]: w must protect J16 i think WVoron [4d\]: теперь не все потеряно)) Shedal [2d\]: of course, 20 points is not much :-D epoxygal [3k\]: J16 C17 miai basil [3d\]: b gets o7 DapperDan [4k\]: what abouta sansan jump top left und [12k?\]: dosent j5 work for b Syptryn [3d\]: its not 20 pts miammiam [2d\]: i predicted K8, take, and resign .... Syptryn [3d\]: black lost at least 12 in mid Syptryn [3d\]: so more like 8 pts epoxygal [3k\]: it just compensated for the top righ black corner thats all Dino9 [6d\]: w got maybe 15 pts in the center WVoron [4d\]: j9 Dino9 [6d\]: more und [12k?\]: so its gote for white right Aguirre [1d\]: but sequence is sente for b kuruhuru9 [6k\]: че переживать. Кто бы ни выиграл - все хорошо ))) misha91 [2d\]: j6 ? Fenix [?\]: w G15, b C17, and b should be ahead? NorthWind [5k\]: B next c17 Karnesun [5d\]: нет beefree1: b got 12 points from captures too Karnesun [5d\]: Я хочу чтоб выиграл Артем) Fujisuke [-\]: B won ? misha91 [2d\]: B j6 ? ogre [2d?\]: w move next WVoron [4d\]: [jhjij njkmrj tckb Bkmz sakyyra [8k\]: и я и я!!! Draxt [3k\]: f15 DapperDan [4k\]: why did he avoid the ko WVoron [4d\]: хорошо только если Илья Syptryn [3d\]: if white ignores though, black can playt K=6 scurge [5d\]: :( DapperDan [4k\]: was he scared slim76 [2d\]: j7? Syptryn [3d\]: and seal white dawid963 [1k\]: c16 Syptryn [3d\]: from eifhr side Syptryn [3d\]: in sente Syptryn [3d\]: thats quite nice ogre [2d?\]: g16 ? beefree1: b saving ko threats for another ko? Shedal [2d\]: Артем, Артем!! holynec [?\]: top left is big holynec [?\]: o,o Unefoix [1k\]: j6 something for black? Parsa [1k?\]: j6 no good Draxt [3k\]: G15 K15 a prob for white no ? Wagaboo [10k\]: c15 Morla [5d\]: w has to defend against j6 now? und [12k?\]: i think he has to play around k 7 grumpyjoe [-\]: he knows he has enough WVoron [4d\]: w+++++ avio [2d\]: b k6 w j7 Morla [5d\]: ah no Parsa [1k?\]: j6 j7 Draxt [3k\]: g15 misha91 [2d\]: go Artem! cherisse [1k\]: board two still on 63 o_O ] ;W[ge]C[Fenix [?\]: G15 for w misha91 [2d\]: j6 Apprenti [1d\]: c17 ? und [12k?\]: j6 ] ;B[ek]C[StefanRadu [1k\]: video stream works? NorthWind [5k\]: B has time for j9 too ? Hellhuman [1d\]: yes DapperDan [4k\]: I don't get this und [12k?\]: j6 works DapperDan [4k\]: e10 Parsa [1k?\]: j6 j7 avio [2d\]: bj6 wj7 norsu [1d\]: e9 too small? Zahlman [1k\]: j6 j7, then what? grumpyjoe [-\]: what does e9 do? slim76 [2d\]: what is e9? nothing really Unefoix [1k\]: j6 j7 h6 take 3 stones for later kjp [1k\]: yes knock him out und [12k?\]: then w say oops avio [2d\]: j6, j7 and w is ok weak5k [1k\]: j6 j7 h7 k7 k6 h6 A1R [4k\]: these two players are europes future! Hellhuman [1d\]: ilja has higher egf rating than his sister ^^' Parsa [1k?\]: j6 j7 h6 k6 snapback HlFl [-\]: omg, Artem needs a plexy glass partition for protection BALLZ [3k\]: not future, today WVoron [4d\]: hahaha w+ Fenix [?\]: his sister didnt play well lately Fenix [?\]: or 2 years ago even HlFl [-\]: Ilya almost head butted him Fenix [?\]: he's best Shedal [2d\]: who? weak5k [1k\]: not really w+ cherisse [1k\]: lol epoxygal [3k\]: artem kept covering his nose ] ;W[dm]C[miammiam [2d\]: E9 helps for the threat J6 mictromb [1d\]: and C17 ? is not enough ? weak5k [1k\]: in artem games him opponent always ahead Optician [1k\]: b has h7 ] ;B[ej]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I'd c-17 weak5k [1k\]: but artem win by 0.5-5 points AhSayuni [4d\]: c15? weak5k [1k\]: c15 Trivia [2k?\]: except the game with Kang Syptryn [3d\]: c-17 seemns bigger than mid NorthWind [5k\]: B sente Fenix [?\]: b16 misjoe [2k\]: yes, what happened to svetlana actually ? Blitzcore [3d\]: b16 for w? twold [1k\]: except every game he plays with someone stronger than him weak5k DapperDan [4k\]: why not just c17 WVoron [4d\]: c15 zc3k [1k\]: C15 Blitzcore [3d\]: protect the corner seems good or not? miammiam [2d\]: hmmm wvoron, you re not afraid of J9 (with J6 after) ? it gives big moyo... gabigo [4k?\]: kang still playing? WVoron [4d\]: w+ Shedal [2d\]: B plays yose? grumpyjoe [-\]: can we get a kang update? Trivia [2k?\]: w+_ kim777 [1k\]: b+ DapperDan [4k\]: o7 looks big for black twold [1k\]: yeah, does anyone actually get this b move? Syptryn [3d\]: ignore Shedal [2d\]: W+, but B wins Syptryn [3d\]: c-15 Karnesun [5d\]: Artem stay now Karnesun [5d\]: i think huffle [1d\]: b has j7 etc miammiam [2d\]: yeah, E10 is 10 points with J9 epoxygal [3k\]: black using the F5 aji to recover the L6 stones, my kyu brothers Karnesun [5d\]: and play b16 or c17 Karnesun [5d\]: cause Hellhuman [1d\]: i wanna be a kyubro too! Karnesun [5d\]: black have h7 if white play f10 kim777 [1k\]: :) N4KED [1d\]: I hope artem doesnt win the tournamnet epoxygal [3k\]: u dan, will be dan sisters eatramen [21k\]: ur a dan u dont qualify ] ;W[ce]C[miammiam [2d\]: no epoxygal, he threats to recover them, by actually making big moyo EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Hellhuman you are allready on EuroGoTV-News Karnesun [5d\]: T_T Trivia [2k?\]: as usual ilya's game is exciting Fenix [?\]: w actually leads by 10 pts or so Hellhuman [1d\]: is ilja dieing right now? DapperDan [4k\]: well that stung Shedal [2d\]: B should have a plan here Vovka27 [3k\]: J6 ^^ Fenix [?\]: b shouldve played M7 maybe after all epoxygal [3k\]: awww.... black missed chance DapperDan [4k\]: missed a golden opportunity weak5k [1k\]: if Ilia win this game him win tournament? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: =( weak5k [1k\]: b resigned? jenesis [4d?\]: nah b is well ahead Syptryn [3d\]: told ya DanielTom [5d\]: e9 mistake lydia10 [1k\]: e9 was bad? eatramen [21k\]: capture d10 stones (kyu move) !!!!!! epoxygal [3k\]: yes E9is mistake ] ;B[fl]C[DanielTom [5d\]: Black should have c17 Syptryn [3d\]: c=17 massive Syptryn [3d\]: 20 pts at least miammiam [2d\]: what do you mean syptryn ? MilanChe [-\]: massive attack Syptryn [3d\]: now white top huge GoIsBoring [3d\]: f9 Karnesun [5d\]: B wait for play j6 epoxygal [3k\]: c17 is huge, like my earlier comment said. we are kyu brothers. NorthWind [5k\]: B in hoovering mode AhSayuni [4d\]: b leading anyway jim [6d\]: strange for Artem to losing points in yose DapperDan [4k\]: your no bro youra gal norsu [1d\]: b could have played c15 as sente epoxygal [3k\]: but black can now use the F6 aji, the J7 aji, to get back something Kez: lj DanielTom [5d\]: Black has to be careful slim76 [2d\]: kamesun, really j6? isn't j7 better? ] ;W[ir]C[epoxygal [3k\]: i am a tomboy, bothers kpumuk [2d\]: W+2 boatlord [6d\]: e5 and then j6? Vovka27 [3k\]: j6fanny.. miammiam [2d\]: lol, "i dont care for your threats", i play my jose Karnesun [5d\]: j6 j7 h7 k7 g6 jim [6d\]: O9 for balck or P8 for white so big DapperDan [4k\]: I am a roast beef sandwhich Karnesun [5d\]: b start Optician [1k\]: this is relevant to the threat ] ;B[hs]C[NorthWind [5k\]: haha, ignore this goblin :) miammiam [2d\]: P8 not working jim ? Wagaboo [10k\]: what about w p8 ] ;W[hr]C[Syptryn [3d\]: black losing a lot yose ] ;B[gr]C[Dino9 [6d\]: If B wouldn't take he would be winning by 30, now its just 5-10 eatramen [21k\]: ilia planning to take this game into overtime DapperDan [4k\]: f7 jim [6d\]: O9 for black gain a lot of points in sente miammiam [2d\]: yes norsu [1d\]: b was too confident after n10 miammiam [2d\]: P8 is also a lot (8 points) but gote Blitzcore [3d\]: w j9? ogre [2d?\]: artem showed reaction to c15 cherisse [1k\]: b4! genki [-\]: did ondrej win? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is Ondrejs birthday! Hellhuman [1d\]: Happy birthday ondrej^^' ogre [2d?\]: did he win his game? Dino9 [6d\]: happy birthday! epoxygal [3k\]: O9 is aji keshi at this point in time eatramen [21k\]: b still looks better Syptryn [3d\]: black should K-16 and seal off white right side in sente eatramen [21k\]: happy birthday eatramen [21k\]: ! miammiam [2d\]: what means "aji keshi" ? AhSayuni [4d\]: the 21k is right ] ;W[fm]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: destro aji = aji keshi ] ;B[dl] ;W[dk]C[Fenix [?\]: board 2 is at half move count of board 1 oo basil [3d\]: erases flavor ogre [2d?\]: ondrej still fighting diner adiida [3k\]: j9 Aguirre [1d\]: i think b can J6, threatening to capture H5 in snapback later Nilatarion [3d\]: c17? DanielTom [5d\]: Black b15 DapperDan [4k\]: g 8 miammiam [2d\]: ok, indeed O9 is good example of "aji keshi" (=distroy aji" ;-) thx. Joakim [13k\]: c17? cherisse [1k\]: he's irresistable upclose and personal Trivia [2k?\]: most of Ilya's games leave me stupefied Apprenti [1d\]: j9 sameasyou [2d\]: b14 Syptryn [3d\]: is b-15 sente though? miammiam [2d\]: J9 / P 8 are big DapperDan [4k\]: he couldn't live c17 could he? Hellhuman [1d\]: would be *** overplay EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 A1R [4k\]: e15? Fenix [?\]: g7 actually possible? would be funny ogre [2d?\]: ilia start moving around violently again epoxygal [3k\]: if i am black, i will think of a move to be funny at top left Fenix [?\]: with j8 aji ] ;B[be]C[NorthWind [5k\]: let's see, W has 50 pts at the top and not much else DanielTom [5d\]: hehe I was right Hellhuman [1d\]: danieltom, yay DanielTom [5d\]: ;) Syptryn [3d\]: n2 huge mictromb [1d\]: ? B14 IceSpectre [4k\]: b lead ? ] ;W[bd]C[Aguirre [1d\]: @eurogotv: the video is for members only? ] ;B[bf]C[Kez: 50 poitns? AhSayuni [4d\]: oh! any result from Ali vs. Thomas? epoxygal [3k\]: hopefully no one touches the white stones after this, and take the stones to kill germs Syptryn [3d\]: c-17 work? Kez: 40 perhaps Bazilikan [2k\]: aguire singing up i seasy EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, members only Kez: not 50 at the top NorthWind [5k\]: yeah, count it epoxygal [3k\]: B17 is looking at Ono [2d?\]: Northwind your point score is way off Aguirre [1d\]: ok ogre [2d?\]: just register. its quick EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but membership free fast and easy DapperDan [4k\]: o7 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ali vs thomas : this is all wild, cut everywhere Iciac [5k\]: o2 Ono [2d?\]: id agree to 40 mictromb [1d\]: and after O9 DanielTom [5d\]: the game is quite close Syptryn [3d\]: white ahead EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cannont tell who win for the moment NschoTschi [-\]: the game still is open Syptryn [3d\]: especially if white can tenuki this one epoxygal [3k\]: white cant ignore B17 potential. Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv2, who won board 2? DanielTom [5d\]: p2 big Syptryn [3d\]: if black loses, E-9 losing move ogre [2d?\]: board 2 still going epoxygal [3k\]: e9 was bad. very bad Hellhuman [1d\]: oh, theyre still playing..^^' EuroGoTV2 [-\]: which game ? Optician [1k\]: getting c15 was too good for w; game now close again Blitzcore [3d\]: j9 for w! DanielTom [5d\]: but TL corner has bad aji hilarious [1d\]: I dont think b lose game Shedal [2d\]: O9 is a huge yose for B epoxygal [3k\]: B17 cannot be ignored. luciangela [5k\]: eurogotv ....catalin, popic, cornel ? Draxt [3k\]: f14 Hellhuman [1d\]: i want b to win and become 7d after this tournament ^.^v Blitzcore [3d\]: w cannot afford to protect ul corner ? DanielTom [5d\]: I think W has to defend the corner Kez: white is 10 points behind at least epoxygal [3k\]: but if he doesnt, lose lots of points there Kez: no more way to win Fenix [?\]: F13 or P2 sheeryjay [2k\]: epoxygal, don't be ridiculous, behaviour like this (living in too clean environment) might be one of the reasons we see so high rise in alergic diseases NschoTschi [-\]: kez i am not sure about that Draxt [3k\]: would f15 be good for black? DapperDan [4k\]: yeah corner can be taken Optician [1k\]: h16 still has some aji Syptryn [3d\]: white fine Shedal [2d\]: what would be the sequence to take the corner? epoxygal [3k\]: top left? DapperDan [4k\]: c17 NorthWind [5k\]: kyu power can take any corner ..mwhahah :) DapperDan [4k\]: c16 NschoTschi [-\]: b17 a16 c17 c16 e18 DapperDan [4k\]: b17 Syptryn [3d\]: c-17 c15 b17 a16 e18 epoxygal [3k\]: yes to kyu power! my kyu brothers! DapperDan [4k\]: e 18 Syptryn [3d\]: then who knoqs sgjiehui [3d?\]: b17 DanielTom [5d\]: W has to a15 Kez: no usually he plays san san for having the yose sente Shedal [2d\]: Nscho, e18 lives? Kez: sans san then sacrifice NschoTschi [-\]: not sure ogre [2d?\]: why e18 Zul [3k?\]: Can anyone help me out? Why does Black J6 doesnt work to capture N7?? Draxt [3k\]: k15 k16 f16 g16 and use aji? ogre [2d?\]: g17 thinkable Optician [1k\]: after b c17 w can possibly b17 Wagaboo [10k\]: c17 c16 b17 a16 ogre [2d?\]: f17 i mean epoxygal [3k\]: dont forget that black has K15 push aji Dino9 [6d\]: Zul J6 J7 DanielTom [5d\]: j6 j7 yes snowman [-\]: i thin black is ahead 10 points on the board epoxygal [3k\]: white to win, he needs to do a few things: snowman [-\]: think Zul [3k?\]: thx dino9!! Shedal [2d\]: yes showman, that's the first thing Kez: moreover white has no good yose points Joakim [13k\]: j7 first slukk [2k\]: looks Ilja nervous, Artem comfortable :) Wagaboo [10k\]: ilja always nervous Aguirre [1d\]: j6 j7 h6 mmmd [2k?\]: thinking is overrated only the result counts :-) DanielTom [5d\]: Ilya has to defend the corner, so B will win the game zife [6k\]: hey snowman, why aren't you playing in the tournament epoxygal [3k\]: 1. he needs to secure the whole top. 2 he needs to reduce F13 area and P2 area and P8 area gabigo [4k?\]: ilia always look nervous zife [6k\]: too busy with organising stuff? FrodosGban [8k?\]: L7 is dead, right? wasd [6d\]: p8 DanielTom [5d\]: of course, Frodo epoxygal [3k\]: L7 100% dead, black has to decide to use them from the left or from the right. thats all Aguirre [1d\]: @dino: j6 j7 h6 kuruhuru9 [6k\]: why does nobody resign? IceSpectre [4k\]: if w b17 b o2 or around f14 ? NorthWind [5k\]: cos it ends the game avio [2d\]: my guess is that with j6 b captures h5 stones but loses points at g10 epoxygal [3k\]: because they got the korean virus, kuru. the good japanese days are gone Dino9 [6d\]: j6 j7 h6 k6 FrodosGban [8k?\]: SE says different, that why i ask Swifft [3d\]: oh no, not rolling again ] ;W[ef] ;B[ad] ;W[bc]C[DanielTom [5d\]: Black o2 and win FrodosGban [8k?\]: guys isnt it a distraction, the behaviour of w? ] ;B[gl]C[epoxygal [3k\]: ilya decides reducing is bigger mmmd [2k?\]: don't trust SE its liying in all but the simplest games avio [2d\]: now k6 would be good Dino9 [6d\]: p8 BIG NorthWind [5k\]: yes, old rockers a nuisance IceSpectre [4k\]: j7 ? ] ;W[jn]C[epoxygal [3k\]: p8 is huge but F13 is also not small Aguirre [1d\]: ok Kez: White has no sente moves...Yose is deinitely black. Joakim [13k\]: why not k7? DanielTom [5d\]: W is behind, no chance I think Joakim [13k\]: take it all? ] ;B[gn]C[Joakim [13k\]: nvm Joakim [13k\]: k6 takes it all.... DapperDan [4k\]: black did a real nice job at reduction DanielTom [5d\]: yes: where is W's moyo now? :) kyyni [3k\]: FrodosGban: yes, it really is somewhat IceSpectre [4k\]: turn into mix of b and w stones snes [-\]: well, W decided to go for the corner instead of the moyo Shedal [2d\]: In Artem's case, reduction = kill a group Dino9 [6d\]: there was a potential moyo, not a real moyo Optician [1k\]: w didn't answer b's first move, so he had no expectations Syptryn [3d\]: errrm Syptryn [3d\]: my count doesn't put white behind Kez: A moyo is a potential territory...what is a potential moyo? :o))) IceSpectre [4k\]: looks like b gonna take this game basil [3d\]: seems close to me donzet [?\]: the game is still close epoxygal [3k\]: guys, let's do a count, ok? tapir [2d\]: why a16 not b17? Larrave [1d\]: you count epoxygal! Syptryn [3d\]: white ahead to me Bruno [1d\]: w leading... ] ;W[hn]C[Trivia [2k?\]: counting is for dans epo ogre [2d?\]: a16 instead of b17 because b was confident he could win the game sheeryjay [2k\]: Potential moyo is something like potential of potential territory ;) Optician [1k\]: you shouldn't trust se ;-p Kez: :o)))) ] ;B[gm] ;W[bp] ;B[br] ;W[fn]C[epoxygal [3k\]: white top, and right, about 50 points, bottom about 20 points. so white total about 70 points DapperDan [4k\]: b7 Fenix [?\]: J7 aji keshi or ok? go1d [4d\]: f13 misjoe [2k\]: potential moyo is like light sabaki and a forcing kikashi NorthWind [5k\]: o9 Daoloth [-\]: feels slightly better for b, but i haven't counted freq [1k\]: p8 wins? misjoe [2k\]: or an atari that threatens to capture DanielTom [5d\]: B ahead by 5 points, at least DapperDan [4k\]: could always j7 first Syptryn [3d\]: na DanielTom [5d\]: o9 Optician [1k\]: f13 is big Syptryn [3d\]: very close Trivia [2k?\]: p8 and f13 miai ] ;B[nk] ;W[or] ;B[pr]C[epoxygal [3k\]: black is 60+. black will lose by a bit grumpyjoe [-\]: well, just the top is 50 points epoxygal [3k\]: grump, i have already counted mihi [6d\]: white has about 65 Larrave [1d\]: artem counting BALLZ [3k\]: b ay DapperDan [4k\]: what about e12 Mukti [4d\]: It seems quite close to me. w slightly better but b is thick. grumpyjoe [-\]: b really should have went into top corner BALLZ [3k\]: ähead almost 20 DanielTom [5d\]: W resigne soon BALLZ [3k\]: 1+ boatlord [6d\]: b is at about 80 spider451 [1d\]: That tapping is so annoying go1d [4d\]: white has 80.5 point Kez: black is almost 75 points + 14 prisoners NorthWind [5k\]: unfortunately, the goblin has komi go1d [4d\]: 84.5 * Syptryn [3d\]: where do you get that from? :S Parsa [1k?\]: Artem didn't look too happy Fenix [?\]: i got 84.5 too^^ mihi [6d\]: b has about 70 Kez: White is almost 70 +4 +6.5 Algol [2d\]: b about 10pts ahead epoxygal [3k\]: komi Swifft [3d\]: yes, Ilias moving is really annoying DanielTom [5d\]: I agree, Algol Ono [2d?\]: where can I see this game live streamed? Shedal [2d\]: I count that the game is a little favourable for W EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i think b+1.5 DanielTom [5d\]: no way... Kez: 10 points game Syptryn [3d\]: black 62 + 14 = 76 epoxygal [3k\]: komi is a big burden dawid963 [1k\]: w 66 +komi go1d [4d\]: and black 77 + 14 goitis [4d\]: W O7 then O3 and wins go1d [4d\]: black wins it's sure oiuzt: have faith in artem MilanMilan [9d\]: still close epoxygal [3k\]: white definitely at least 75 plus komi AlexOss [2k?\]: CS W+11 DapperDan [4k\]: yeah ask the 9d ogre [2d?\]: b points is solider epoxygal [3k\]: black about 80 plus go1d [4d\]: white has 84.5 epoxygal [3k\]: very very close H16 [1d\]: b+4 DapperDan [4k\]: whats the count DanielTom [5d\]: isn't B ahead, Milan? Zahlman [1k\]: shrug I prefer b dasffd: i don't think it is close Bruno [1d\]: f 12 big Syptryn [3d\]: white 72 +4 = 76 mihi [6d\]: w has about 65+ komi grumpyjoe [-\]: b should f13 quickly gogirl: eurogotv link pls donzet [?\]: i count white around 4 pts ahead dasffd: after komi, b is ahead at least 5 Zahlman [1k\]: depends on just how much b has in g11 area I guess Syptryn [3d\]: so black needs 6.5 pts in G11 region Syptryn [3d\]: to win sameasyou [2d\]: b made a few strange choices a bit earlier...choose to play to much gote...b15, g6 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 BALLZ [3k\]: b ahead avio [2d\]: w+4 epoxygal [3k\]: black slightly better, just a bit jenesis [4d?\]: how much is komi? Kez: balck is clearly ahead Shedal [2d\]: Ok, guys, I just cloned the board finished the game with best moves ever... and it;s W+0.5 Syptryn [3d\]: no idea how u get that :P Kez: should learn to count guys NorthWind [5k\]: 6.5 dawid963 [1k\]: equal Syptryn [3d\]: just did Fenix [?\]: b is ahead by like 5 pts? DanielTom [5d\]: at least Syptryn [3d\]: white ahead by komi if you exclusde G-11 region as points Kez: 10 points for black mihi [6d\]: depends on the centre Kez: not 5 dasffd: after komi, at least 5 Fenix [?\]: w o3? jenesis [4d?\]: my last count was B+5 dawid963 [1k\]: about 5 ahead Syptryn [3d\]: whites next move misha91 [2d\]: close game Fenix [?\]: someone give w something to calm down ogre [2d?\]: b threatening o2 mihi [6d\]: if b plays first F13 then he's ahead by 10 points tapir [2d\]: about even in my count. you don't count enough for white i say when you say 65 + komi Kez: perhaps because of a mistake but white will loose for sure epoxygal [3k\]: again, white is abt 75+ komi, so 82.5 slim76 [2d\]: w e12 now? DanielTom [5d\]: the guy watching the game is a bit annoying too eatramen [21k\]: wow board 2 really slow compared to this one ogre [2d?\]: thats ondrej ogre [2d?\]: he playing board 2 against diner freffenber [1d\]: 75+6,5 = 81,5 ! DanielTom [5d\]: ondrej is almost in byo-yomi DanielTom [5d\]: alex has more than 1 h epoxygal [3k\]: black has about 88 points, so black wins by a bit epoxygal [3k\]: oh, sorry, i used to play with 7.5 komi Syptryn [3d\]: E12 Mukti [4d\]: Assuming O2 w has 46 at top+6 at right+31 at botom+4 prisoners+komi=93,5 IceSpectre [4k\]: yet seems like ondrei is ahead Shedal [2d\]: Is it only me, or Artem and Ilia have very similar nose shape? (bot color) FangFa [2d\]: I don't understand E9, why not san san ? epoxygal [3k\]: so black wins by about 4.5 points sheeryjay [2k\]: Ilya covering eyes *I don't wanna see it* ^^ NorthWind [5k\]: bd2 static. this game is where the action is mihi [6d\]: E12 biggest for white imo ogre [2d?\]: ilia is more annoying than ondrej epoxygal [3k\]: ilya will try to cough as hard as possible on artem Kez: not san san because black felt ahead probably. No need to create difficult situation ogre [2d?\]: except for like now when he isnt moving around so much epoxygal [3k\]: if he lose this game, at least he makes sure artem gets sick Kez: Jus has to play yose Kez: and game over go1d [4d\]: o2 is 13 point Fenix [?\]: hmm, E12, F13 though? ogre [2d?\]: ilia has been relatively still today ekku [-\]: does anyone know what's the status in Törmänen - Burzo match? Mukti [4d\]: B has 7 at left+51 at center+2 at top+10 at left+ a few in the center because of his sente+14 prisoners=84+ Fenix [?\]: ie b will still get territory? epoxygal [3k\]: so, conclusion, if nothing goes wrong, black wins by about 4.5 points jim [6d\]: A lot of games finish around 2,5 -3,5 points this tournament Fenix [?\]: i'd prefer w O3 Mukti [4d\]: so b must make about 10+ in the center with his move epoxygal [3k\]: ok guys, my kyu brothers, keep on the good work of commenting mihi [6d\]: if w O3 then b F13 and game over epoxygal [3k\]: i need to go brothers tapir [2d\]: what is the result of thomas vs. ali? go1d [4d\]: if w e12 then black o2 and game over :) Bruno [1d\]: F 12 here is sente Blitzcore [3d\]: artem should peek ilya in the eyes if he starts coughing at him sheeryjay [2k\]: epoxygal, it's visible that Ilya does not cough intentionally .. so really not nice comment from myou EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Burzo won Shedal [2d\]: Well, close games are natural, since players make an equal number ov moves IceSpectre [4k\]: b about 80+14 captured EuroGoTV2 [-\]: easy win DapperDan [4k\]: what is there to think about Hellhuman [1d\]: against? lemurov [2k\]: wh's thinkin w culd win? Ula [1d\]: who's myou ? epoxygal [3k\]: sheery, at least he can wear a face mask please. Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv^^' ogre [2d?\]: if artem poke ilia in the eye ilia would grab his hand and bite off part of his thumb A1R [4k\]: antti sheeryjay [2k\]: face masks are for japan players ... epoxygal [3k\]: please be civil, if u have a cold, wear a face mask ekku [-\]: euro thanks EuroGoTV2 [-\]: against Törmänen Pepijn [2d\]: a face mask? what epoxygal [3k\]: even when u go to if u have a cold, please wear a face mask work or go out, gooooo [10k\]: ilia is counting :) gooooo [10k\]: nodding his head Somber [8k\]: the white things that make u look like something out of mortal combat Blitzcore [3d\]: you know kangs and catalins result? truhan [2d\]: is black ahead' truhan [2d\]: ? epoxygal [3k\]: that is the only civil thing to do, ok? sheeryjay [2k\]: People in Europe didn't wear them even in the biggest moment of bird flu scare goodminton [-\]: what about w p8? bobstep [8k\]: tests show that face masks don't work Ula [1d\]: lol don't feed the flu troll Ula [1d\]: flu is a bizness DapperDan [4k\]: this is ridiculous Wagaboo [10k\]: p8 don't work Bruno [1d\]: F 12 is sente! Ono [2d?\]: who is artem? The guy with the striped sweater? epoxygal [3k\]: ok. ciao my kyu brothers, sheeryjay [2k\]: Artem is on left Fenix [?\]: no, artem is the guy who can stay calm for a few seconds epoxygal [3k\]: so hai ekku [-\]: artem is the one nod fidgeting IceSpectre [4k\]: w+less than komi ? ekku [-\]: *not Blitzcore [3d\]: no the one who flees from coughing FangFa [2d\]: Did kyeong nang kang win ? Ono [2d?\]: thanks ogre [2d?\]: artem just coughed also tho DapperDan [4k\]: artem left goodminton [-\]: sorry forgot n7 was in atari :-) gooooo [10k\]: escaped epoxygal [3k\]: no one thanks me for commenting..... sigh... donzet [?\]: artem is made with cold iron DapperDan [4k\]: he got bored and went to see a movie Shedal [2d\]: Ilia coughed and Artem stood up Blitzcore [3d\]: artem double left :) EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kang is still playing N4KED [1d\]: tommorow will have betting? Wagaboo [10k\]: shedal, epic fail grumpyjoe [-\]: how is kang doing eurogo? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmm ekku [-\]: ilya looks a bit less dead than yesterday EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i just went there eatramen [21k\]: 2nd place EuroGoTV2 [-\]: to watch the game eatramen [21k\]: ilia 1st FangFa [2d\]: whom is she playing ? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it was kinda complicated EuroGoTV2 [-\]: against korean 7d, i dunno how to write his name nay4ok [2d?\]: what time do they have, Harry? Bruno [1d\]: lots of stones grumpyjoe [-\]: kang lost to kim in the other tournament, right? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes N4KED [1d\]: is it jung-hyeop? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes Fenix [?\]: it's either mr park or mr kim Draxt [3k\]: b7 ? chrpa [1k\]: who is leading? NorthWind [5k\]: hmm, I have B +3.5 only. Go Artemm chrpa [1k\]: thanks, wow prescott [1d\]: where can i find a draw of the tournement? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: egc2010.fi Shedal [2d\]: SE thinks the black's bottom left is dead Vovka27 [3k\]: can we get somewhere the game records from top boards? prescott [1d\]: thanks NorthWind [5k\]: SE sucks DapperDan [4k\]: is there a time limit play234 [-\]: b ahead by 10? N4KED [1d\]: 2.5 hours per side N4KED [1d\]: 5 hour game mictromb [1d\]: even Artem wins this game Illia is always 1st in the tournament no ? IceSpectre [4k\]: about 94 for b and 93 + komi to white tyresgo: b + 8.5 DapperDan [4k\]: why is he rocking back and forth ogre [2d?\]: i hope ilia wins the tournament tho N4KED [1d\]: well it would mean that artem could win the tournament donzet [?\]: white k7 then g9 will trouble black center ogre [2d?\]: he fought so hard up to here mictromb [1d\]: I prefer Thomas Debarre A1R [4k\]: both ratings will increase! EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he's playing Jabarin right now asasas: what catalin did? Silencieux [6k\]: coucou draxt ogre [2d?\]: ] ;W[oq]C[Somber [8k\]: sure it looks bad... ] ;B[nm] ;W[jm]C[Somber [8k\]: and sure he may be a few points behind ogre [2d?\]: i always end up imagining mr potato head ] ;B[os]C[Syptryn [3d\]: errr Somber [8k\]: but he can still capture R10 group!! :O Syptryn [3d\]: E-12? DapperDan [4k\]: I like e 12 DapperDan [4k\]: looks big ] ;W[hk]C[A1R [4k\]: tall, blond, longer hair Syptryn [3d\]: well that works too now donzet [?\]: hard time for black Syptryn [3d\]: I get the feeling white will win Bruno [1d\]: this is nice ] ;B[hj]C[DETOX [4k\]: o7 was bad Syptryn [3d\]: nothing in mid now IceSpectre [4k\]: g9 ? ] ;W[gk]C[Shedal [2d\]: O7 was good ] ;B[fk]C[Syptryn [3d\]: to be fair K7 was basically sente Koukkaaja [3d\]: o7 not bad because w could k7 anytime, makes no diff Koukkaaja [3d\]: yes :) ] ;W[ik]C[Draxt [3k\]: o2 Syptryn [3d\]: M2 miammiam [2d\]: I didnt know about the young strong player Thomas Debarre, has he any "official" account on KGS ? Syptryn [3d\]: M1 ] ;B[je] ;W[jd]C[A1R [4k\]: f13 ] ;B[ff]C[Syptryn [3d\]: black loset the mid H16 [1d\]: debarre is rubik i guess eatramen [21k\]: suns up im hungwwwyyy A1R [4k\]: yes EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yeah rubik Bruno [1d\]: I can't belive artem defeat Ilia ] ;W[fe]C[A1R [4k\]: how much time left? ] ;B[ac] ;W[ab] ;B[ae]C[eatramen [21k\]: artem is good bruno but not over yet NorthWind [5k\]: enough ] ;W[bb]C[NorthWind [5k\]: now speaking clock yet dasffd: n1 NorthWind [5k\]: not Nilatarion [3d\]: e13 ] ;B[ms]C[A1R [4k\]: big ] ;W[bm]C[DapperDan [4k\]: n1 stung Draxt [3k\]: o2 dasffd: n1 bigger than h9 Fenix [?\]: a9 savon [3k\]: ilia have an acount on kgs ? ] ;B[ak]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: roln11 A1R [4k\]: roln111 DapperDan [4k\]: he's that stoner savon [3k\]: thx A1R [4k\]: isnt m2 bigger Fenix [?\]: e12 grumpyjoe [-\]: i think artem relaxed too much after he took the ko Syptryn [3d\]: B + 3.5 eatramen [21k\]: after komi? Syptryn [3d\]: yes NorthWind [5k\]: excellent win for young Artem alanis [1k\]: f13? IceSpectre [4k\]: c14 IceSpectre [4k\]: f13 Sven84 [3k\]: it's over when it's over just9x9 [-\]: cant be a point .5 number before komi eatramen [21k\]: ahh good point eatramen [21k\]: 9x9 Chilltime [1d\]: bä 2,5 H16 [1d\]: it looks like ilya is about to pass out .... :o) Chilltime [1d\]: artem wins this is over yoon [10k\]: someone have the link please? eatramen [21k\]: yes ilia doesnt look well, could it have affected his performance a little? ] ;W[op]C[A1R [4k\]: at the latest next years egc artem will be 7d EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 yoon [10k\]: thank you grumpyjoe [-\]: who is on top after artem wins anyways eatramen [21k\]: ilia DapperDan [4k\]: does he ignore that? eatramen [21k\]: still heirophany [13k\]: anyone else at 7 am? ] ;B[pp]C[just9x9 [-\]: ilia better sos eatramen [21k\]: 7 am here! lazer [?\]: рар go1d [4d\]: white wins DapperDan [4k\]: you guys mountain time DapperDan [4k\]: oh east coast joejoe [5k\]: 6 pm here slim76 [2d\]: how was that sente? yclept [2k\]: m10 was an awkward move i think misjoe [2k\]: mountain time sounds so prehistoric fatihsulak [-\]: b+2.5 is my guess MrOnizuka [-\]: c14 Shedal [2d\]: W doesn't win slukk [2k\]: It was only w strain fatihsulak [-\]: m2 h8 both big DapperDan [4k\]: artem just wrapping it up now AhSayuni [4d\]: 6pm?.. where is that? Bruno [1d\]: g 14 A1R [4k\]: b m2! DapperDan [4k\]: that's probably new zealand AhSayuni [4d\]: India? Hellhuman [1d\]: if black get reaaaalllly nothing in center, i count w+3^^' Mikinek [5k\]: silt is observing:) joejoe [5k\]: 6 pm, indonesia AhSayuni [4d\]: I see zakatan [6k\]: m2 > h8 lgkjg: the game's really close, a mistake in yose and one loses Fenix [?\]: wow this game is close to the half point ogre [2d?\]: whats a half point? Dino9 [6d\]: B+1,5my guess grumpyjoe [-\]: is that the guy playing alex? Hellhuman [1d\]: y grumpyjoe [-\]: i thought he was in byo yomi Fenix [?\]: it's the 0.5 from Komi ogre [2d?\]: oh you mean 0.5 result score ogre [2d?\]: i see bobstep [8k\]: l1 bigger that m2 I think Draxt [3k\]: h8 ogre [2d?\]: i thought almost you expected the game to continue for another 200 or so moves Bazilikan [2k\]: why is the betting board empty? snes [-\]: H8 is big but difficult yose :S DapperDan [4k\]: artem visibly frustrated miammiam [2d\]: so dino9, you see, taking N12 was ok and white had "clearly" to resign ;-) eatramen [21k\]: there was a problem with the server bazil Bazilikan [2k\]: ok snes [-\]: C14 almost sente for B Sixdan: white win? Bazilikan [2k\]: w winning? no way Somber [8k\]: F13 seems big AhSayuni [4d\]: how is it close to 0.5? slukk [2k\]: Artem tired? Dino9 [6d\]: miammian, no, if b wouldn't take he would be not winning by 0-5, but 10-20 DapperDan [4k\]: no he just wishes the dude would speed it up ] ;W[fg] ;B[gf]C[Somber [8k\]: E12 miammiam [2d\]: i dont get it : you wanted black to get C17 area ? bartosz [1d\]: black +5 Sixdan: c14 ] ;W[cf] ;B[bg]C[Oiotoshi [-\]: komi missing in SE? Somber [8k\]: i see :) snes [-\]: yes AhSayuni [4d\]: komi's there fatihsulak [-\]: o7 loses lots of points right? ] ;W[eg]C[NorthWind [5k\]: no SE uses komi but gets the rest wrong :) Bembelbote [-\]: did they already buy more time for more komi? ] ;B[lr]C[adiida [3k\]: that's it adiida [3k\]: black just won eatramen [21k\]: ohh damn m2 eatramen [21k\]: gg mihi [6d\]: popic still playing? EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes DapperDan [4k\]: yeah tath kind thrashed a lot of territory Hellhuman [1d\]: still close my kyu friends :3 EuroGoTV2 [-\]: still playing IceSpectre [4k\]: h8 ? lemurov [2k\]: w+30.5 Bruno [1d\]: yay blue light Somber [8k\]: lol A1R [4k\]: teuber also ? Fenix [?\]: w G11 Draxt [3k\]: o8 eatramen [21k\]: EuroGo kang game, time? eatramen [21k\]: please.. EuroGoTV2 [-\]: last time i checked he was DapperDan [4k\]: white thinking oh fiddle sticks EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but i'm not sure sagesse [-\]: Kang won? ] ;W[hl]C[snes [-\]: I count B a few points ahead EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Kang is still playing ogre [2d?\]: it would be nice if a teuber game got videoed Somber [8k\]: i see :) ] ;B[kr]C[Draxt [3k\]: q19 IceSpectre [4k\]: o8 snes [-\]: o8 k threat Hellhuman [1d\]: count w 81.5 b 83 IceSpectre [4k\]: for what ko ? snes [-\]: I don't know IceSpectre [4k\]: yep and it's worth 1 sente Draxt [3k\]: D10 ko possible Shedal [2d\]: L2 looks small to me. why not G12 or so snes [-\]: but no need to do 1 point moves qhenm there are 4 points ones A1R [4k\]: q19 sente snes [-\]: bad style A1R [4k\]: for b adiida [3k\]: i think black wins by 1.5 miammiam [2d\]: i agree shedal, G12 sounds larger than L2 AhSayuni [4d\]: I think more Fenix [?\]: hmm i count 81.5 for w too Kusaki [20k?\]: g11? ] ;W[nr] ;B[ns] ;W[np]C[Draxt [3k\]: p19 Shedal [2d\]: 1 point moves :o what's going on? Somber [8k\]: this seems small O.o IceSpectre [4k\]: huh ? StefanRadu [1k\]: 2points. A1R [4k\]: p19 no sente? bartosz [1d\]: its not 1 point Fenix [?\]: and i also count 83 for b ^^ Dino9 [6d\]: 2pts Syptryn [3d\]: 2 pts gote Nilatarion [3d\]: 2 IceSpectre [4k\]: 2 point and still Syptryn [3d\]: small adiida [3k\]: g12 Fenix [?\]: agree b +1.5 avio [2d\]: 2 pts gote Lukan [5d\]: hi Nefeste [5k\]: b+2.5 Syptryn [3d\]: f11 e12 g12 IceSpectre [4k\]: g12 Syptryn [3d\]: sequence larger Syptryn [3d\]: g12 Dino9 [6d\]: hi Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+30.5 Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone? Nilatarion [3d\]: f11 Somber [8k\]: super secret high amature dan tesuji to kill right side? lemurov [2k\]: y w+30.5 crrect Somber [8k\]: lol zazie [5d\]: what's this move ?? ogre [2d?\]: what was b planning with l2? is it more than 2 points cause b had something taking advantage of damezumari on w zardd [11k\]: SE is not accurate fir tgus Effem [3k\]: B + 3 ] ;B[eh]C[H16 [1d\]: b+2 Nefeste [5k\]: c2 alive, dear onmyoji ) u know it better than me schayan355 [1d\]: b+5 IceSpectre [4k\]: g10 ? Sixdan: f11 Nefeste [5k\]: pls recount considering this fact ) Koukkaaja [3d\]: w+30,5 but w is unknown heywardbey [2d\]: uhhh heywardbey [2d\]: its not w+30.5 lol Shedal [2d\]: P19 is also big for B gdghgjd [2d\]: b+3,5 Kayres [3k\]: it is! onmyoji said so heywardbey [2d\]: SE counts c2 group dead heywardbey [2d\]: ... ogre [2d?\]: i guess b still has k1 heywardbey [2d\]: which it obvioulsy isnt asasas: w+2 adiida [3k\]: black could h7 Bazilikan [2k\]: poor se is delusional McLean [?\]: w+0,5 lemurov [2k\]: but clоse tо ] ;W[gj]C[N4KED [1d\]: q19 is better ] ;B[gi]C[lemurov [2k\]: w+0.5 wuld be great! miammiam [2d\]: yes, Q19 is big now Onmyoji [-\]: go artem miammiam [2d\]: (just after G12 ?) heywardbey [2d\]: a7? heywardbey [2d\]: for black Nefeste [5k\]: SE count 6 in a row but just didn't see b3 stone and second dimension.. thats why black is dead ) Karnesun [5d\]: . caglar [4k\]: what was result oldrej's game miammiam [2d\]: ah no, Q19 larger than A7 domi999 [2k\]: a 5? Nefeste [5k\]: he is youngdrej heywardbey [2d\]: a5 doesnt work DapperDan [4k\]: a4 Draxt [3k\]: a6 possible? ZoOoOui [1d\]: a5 is bad N4KED [1d\]: a5 is nothing domi999 [2k\]: for b miammiam [2d\]: A5 is ok ] ;W[ij]C[ogre [2d?\]: whats that about the second dimension? avio [2d\]: b+1,5 ] ;B[hi]C[heywardbey [2d\]: a5 a4 a7 a6 eat b5 ] ;W[sj] ;B[sk] ;W[si]C[N4KED [1d\]: a5 is good if b doesnt connect back A1R [4k\]: now q19 Nefeste [5k\]: b2-g2 is a line, b2-b3 second dimension ) nevermind i just drunk Shedal [2d\]: P19 time Draxt [3k\]: p19 ] ;B[dg]C[heywardbey [2d\]: blacks gonna win this game ] ;W[df]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: f12 misha91 [2d\]: p19 ] ;B[hm] ;W[im]C[heywardbey [2d\]: calm down girls fatihsulak [-\]: f12 and q19 both 3 points Draxt [3k\]: d10 gogirl: NO! ogre [2d?\]: lol i love to hear you guys say weird stuff Dino9 [6d\]: f12 adiida [3k\]: f10 heywardbey [2d\]: f u ] ;B[oa]C[heywardbey [2d\]: jk. ] ;W[na] ;B[pa]C[Draxt [3k\]: f10 AlexOss [2k?\]: Why not W o8? heywardbey [2d\]: okay we get it NorthWind [5k\]: weird ? rude fellow :) heywardbey [2d\]: white o8 now heywardbey [2d\]: rawr. slim76 [2d\]: e11 Shedal [2d\]: now F11 heywardbey [2d\]: o8... heywardbey [2d\]: >.> Moin9 [3k\]: who is winning? slim76 [2d\]: yeah, f11 heywardbey [2d\]: black Bazilikan [2k\]: me Sixdan: lol DapperDan [4k\]: not much left caglar [4k\]: b adiida [3k\]: yeah,more like f11 eric1010 [9k\]: bon dia Optician [1k\]: if b plays o8 then w is happy - because there is no smaller gote move on he board Goleath [1k\]: score now? Onmyoji [-\]: artem for euro champion gogirl: white just played too fast and is sick :/ heywardbey [2d\]: white o8 heywardbey [2d\]: duh schayan355 [1d\]: its a close game eatramen [21k\]: w leading? heywardbey [2d\]: but blacks got this SqueezeIt [2d\]: A7 heywardbey [2d\]: yeahh heywardbey [2d\]: a7 <3 fatihsulak [-\]: b+2.5 ogre [2d?\]: ilia is giving me a cough heywardbey [2d\]: but wfor white o8 already >.> N4KED [1d\]: mabye he underestimated artem Sixdan: llia vs Artem = final? Hellhuman [1d\]: eurogotv, you know how sandmann did? mictromb [1d\]: 5 pts for black EuroGoTV2 [-\]: sandmann won Hellhuman [1d\]: viktor* Mikinek [5k\]: f11 avio [2d\]: if Artem wins the fight for the first place gets complicated Hellhuman [1d\]: cool :) NschoTschi [-\]: f11 ? eatramen [21k\]: kang vs ilia final goodminton [-\]: b+ 2,5 ogre [2d?\]: there are some other moves goatsunday [8k\]: If Artem wins, Kang still has a word IceSpectre [4k\]: a7 NorthWind [5k\]: Artem knows he has won heywardbey [2d\]: f11 before a7 ogre [2d?\]: f11 AhSayuni [4d\]: who's sandman? ShusakuSai [8k\]: which result for kang vs kim ? Q161 [?\]: did kang win today? Hellhuman [1d\]: somebody knows how much is price money in this tourney? N4KED [1d\]: j1 is bigg EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kang still playing avio [2d\]: the fight for european champion gets complicated too schayan355 [1d\]: who was viktors opponent Shedal [2d\]: I predict B+2.5 sameasyou [2d\]: Ilya has to lose at least another game in order to lose the european title ogre [2d?\]: a4 sheeryjay [2k\]: Sandmann is Victor Lin from austria heywardbey [2d\]: j1 is not necessary.. yet miammiam [2d\]: black +1.5 if komi is right. A1R [4k\]: did csaba win? komoto: 2000 euros for winner ogre [2d?\]: oh for w ogre [2d?\]: a3 then heywardbey [2d\]: f11... Mcgreag [-\]: +2000 for best european N4KED [1d\]: j1 at least worth 2 points Hellhuman [1d\]: ui <3 guess then i gotta win next year :3 ] ;W[am] ;B[oc] ;W[nb]C[maze [5d\]: b+2.5 heywardbey [2d\]: or not. Draxt [3k\]: f11 ogre [2d?\]: the moves are all worth about the same amount ] ;B[ap]C[Nefeste [5k\]: o8 bad?.. ] ;W[ao] ;B[aq]C[heywardbey [2d\]: white o8 noww AhSayuni [4d\]: yay! se's gonna work now ogre [2d?\]: not any better than the one they played ] ;W[al]C[Draxt [3k\]: f11 ] ;B[bk]C[Q161 [?\]: did w lose?? heywardbey [2d\]: yeah IceSpectre [4k\]: f11 indeed heywardbey [2d\]: o8 first >.> NorthWind [5k\]: now SE caught up DapperDan [4k\]: I guess f11 now Draxt [3k\]: f11 f12 f10 d10 g13 g12 N4KED [1d\]: f11 looks big but not sure its worth much sameasyou [2d\]: g12 and o8 now Porkypine [5k\]: poor ilya :( heywardbey [2d\]: o8 firsttt heywardbey [2d\]: actually lgkjg: i still can't believe w is losing heywardbey [2d\]: before any of this.. i'd resign. heywardbey [2d\]: meow. H16 [1d\]: close... adiida [3k\]: looks like a 3.5 win ... N4KED [1d\]: g12 bigger than f11 Q161 [?\]: he had him on the ropes NschoTschi [-\]: B+3.5 Q161 [?\]: noooo Shedal [2d\]: Artem will be the best european player in couple years nanotech [2k\]: f11 biggest AhSayuni [4d\]: j1 sakyyra [8k\]: Артем, мы все с тобой! adiida [3k\]: o 8 followed by f11 goitis [4d\]: B +2.5 Fenix [?\]: artem could take pro exam in japan? sameasyou [2d\]: L1 also 2 points svrcd [?\]: неправда, часть за илью) Bruno [1d\]: ilia defeated kang and kang defeated artem...who can understand NschoTschi [-\]: artem smart artem dont want to becmoe pro ^^ mmmd [2k?\]: go is not transitive sakyyra [8k\]: я говорю не про вас а про нас heywardbey [2d\]: blacks gonna win by 2.5 ] ;W[fi] ;B[fh]C[freq [1k\]: l1 j1 ] ;W[fj] ;B[dj]C[tapir [2d\]: there are some other strong young players to watch, thomas debarre, viktor lin, ali jabarin Mandos [2k\]: how many worth o8? 8 moku? ] ;W[gg]C[Draxt [3k\]: d8 snes [-\]: Ilya ended kang's game with 6 groups, hehe heywardbey [2d\]: it would be 3.5 if you just counted, but r19 has to be filled freq [1k\]: then it is only one point, no? zife [6k\]: ali jabarin = oohaah? miammiam [2d\]: and a little ko to end ] ;B[dl]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: yup Hellhuman [1d\]: d8 Porkypine [5k\]: Ilya so sick :( heywardbey [2d\]: white has to win this ko ] ;W[nl] ;B[ol]C[NschoTschi [-\]: 08 Eilinen [-\]: Bruno, it's like rock paper scissors ] ;W[dk]C[Draxt [3k\]: now O8 :p heywardbey [2d\]: o8 ko threat heywardbey [2d\]: i see. play234 [-\]: winning the ko is not enough :( N4KED [1d\]: f11 make 2 and lose 5 schwiggity [6k\]: e5 Sven84 [3k\]: l7 Draxt [3k\]: e5 heywardbey [2d\]: yeah ] ;B[kn] ;W[km] ;B[dl] ;W[rk]C[Dino9 [6d\]: b wins anyway Hellhuman [1d\]: b+r Karnesun [5d\]: Artem want become to pro gogirl: :( NschoTschi [-\]: really? heywardbey [2d\]: he has to respond. fatihsulak [-\]: this ko will decide whether it is 2.5 or 3.5 Syptryn [3d\]: if black loses call Sixdan: e7 Draxt [3k\]: ignore Karnesun [5d\]: ^_^ Syptryn [3d\]: black will lose heywardbey [2d\]: wait no Dino9 [6d\]: now take kjisu [9k\]: don't be sad gogirl ^^ heywardbey [2d\]: hm? ] ;B[em]C[miammiam [2d\]: ignore indeed Sixdan: :p slukk [2k\]: ignore :) ] ;W[sl]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: hmmmm Koukkaaja [3d\]: uh ] ;B[en]C[Hellhuman [1d\]: uff Onmyoji [-\]: lol Onmyoji [-\]: game over Hellhuman [1d\]: b+r^^ MoeTheDoom [5k\]: ??? Karnesun [5d\]: oh schwiggity [6k\]: implosion Nilatarion [3d\]: :) Karnesun [5d\]: cool! sameasyou [2d\]: artem lost the game here Karnesun [5d\]: ) Gizensha [?\]: o_o heywardbey [2d\]: e5 necessary Mikinek [5k\]: wow heywardbey [2d\]: :/ DapperDan [4k\]: wtf N4KED [1d\]: f11 really not good Sixdan: t7 sameasyou [2d\]: t7 beefree13: hahahahaha IceSpectre [4k\]: not gogirl: did artem made a mistake? YEY Hellhuman [1d\]: f11 was finie fatihsulak [-\]: e5? IceSpectre [4k\]: t7 donzet [?\]: good job artem Onmyoji [-\]: no Q161 [?\]: CMON ILYA Q161 [?\]: CMONNNN Hellhuman [1d\]: g13 sucked Onmyoji [-\]: w nade mistake snes [-\]: that's risky ] ;W[sm]C[NschoTschi [-\]: pooooor Ilya ] ;B[eo]C[heywardbey [2d\]: ...black will be fine heywardbey [2d\]: e5 is sente Mikinek [5k\]: nice Bruno [1d\]: other Bruno [1d\]: T 5 BALLZ [3k\]: dino wrong, b won despite taking the go gogirl: oh no... BALLZ [3k\]: ko miammiam [2d\]: no, he knew he was behind, so he has to try something... BALLZ [3k\]: * Sixdan: t5 DapperDan [4k\]: this is terrible Hellhuman [1d\]: v6 Draxt [3k\]: E5 should have wait Oleksandr [1k\]: ура!!!!!! Hellhuman [1d\]: b6* DapperDan [4k\]: how embarassing Bruno [1d\]: B 6 NschoTschi [-\]: B6´ Bruno [1d\]: better Onmyoji [-\]: resign IceSpectre [4k\]: b6 anyway Onmyoji [-\]: resign Sven84 [3k\]: good lord oO Hellhuman [1d\]: resign best move heywardbey [2d\]: no sh*t sherlock Onmyoji [-\]: resign goatsunday [8k\]: s6 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+R scurge [5d\]: black wins no? Onmyoji [-\]: good Q161 [?\]: NOOOO Koukkaaja [3d\]: b+2,5 was wrong after all heywardbey [2d\]: obviouly black wins snes [-\]: res schwiggity [6k\]: ARTEM misha91 [2d\]: УРА!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Onmyoji [-\]: go artem A1R [4k\]: woooooooooooooww beefree13: ARTEM FOR LIFE!!! AhSayuni [4d\]: didn't see it?.. chenxiao: yes EuroGoTV2 [-\]: =D gogirl: no... AhSayuni [4d\]: strange Kez: over Eilinen [-\]: Hm Nilatarion [3d\]: :) mictromb [1d\]: resign Kez: resigned Eilinen [-\]: weird game indeed alpi [1d\]: artem is good Dino9 [6d\]: w needed to overplay... Karnesun [5d\]: ДАААА!!!!! ZURCO1 [6k\]: поздравляю!!!!! joejoe [5k\]: thx u so much eurogo genki [-\]: nniceeee NorthWind [5k\]: well done Artem eatramen [21k\]: GG DapperDan [4k\]: white resigned DapperDan [4k\]: what? sakyyra [8k\]: Ураааааааааааааа! ogre [2d?\]: nice game ngocthi045: what do you say? mictromb [1d\]: bien joué donzet [?\]: thx eurogotv Syptryn [3d\]: bad threat by w\\jite Syptryn [3d\]: yuou know DapperDan [4k\]: why? MoeTheDoom [5k\]: я за ролна болел ,)) Syptryn [3d\]: if illyplayed properly was he ieven behind? ngocthi045: no ShusakuSai [8k\]: artem/kang and thomas/illia next round ? onegoal [3k\]: artem looks so happy .... not Shedal [2d\]: Потрясающе! :) Syptryn [3d\]: SE said B + 3.5 slukk [2k\]: this was strain ngocthi045: no Onmyoji [-\]: artem was winning anyway Syptryn [3d\]: without c\\komi... Sixdan: c'est fini? Kez: Shikshin has no manners... DapperDan [4k\]: why resign ngocthi045: not never Vovka27 [3k\]: artemthe best :D Sixdan: win? ngocthi045: r6 sameasyou [2d\]: resign? dawid963 [1k\]: good job artem eatramen [21k\]: he was getting his jacket kez :p AhSayuni [4d\]: Now he wears a coat? NorthWind [5k\]: calmly fills in the form ... hmm, here it says I won :) Sixdan: la partie est fini? Oo ngocthi045: y db [4k\]: The game is over? miammiam [2d\]: it is still black + 2.5 DapperDan [4k\]: can someone explain why he resigned A1R [4k\]: b+r AhSayuni [4d\]: lol Shedal [2d\]: he counted AhSayuni [4d\]: no it isn't bartosz [1d\]: he resigned because he knew he lost DapperDan [4k\]: so c6 miammiam [2d\]: S6 is big ... DapperDan [4k\]: s 6 Nefeste [5k\]: seems b6 d4 e4 is lost for w.. and he was already behind.. Anubis021 [9k?\]: but why not w b6, then s6 heywardbey [2d\]: white has to b6 obviously though >.> Ono [2d?\]: after the last exchange b is ahead with 10 points AhSayuni [4d\]: more like b+12.5 heywardbey [2d\]: just resign heywardbey [2d\]: bleh DapperDan [4k\]: so it would be c6 NorthWind [5k\]: c5 dead unless W plays there DapperDan [4k\]: then s6 DapperDan [4k\]: right AhSayuni [4d\]: let's see Ali! AhSayuni [4d\]: oh.. that game... Syptryn [3d\]: hmmm kim777 [1k\]: black won by resign, he lead a lot, white need b 6 then black play s6 and it's over x) Syptryn [3d\]: just played it out assuming white connected Syptryn [3d\]: looks like W + 1.5 Syptryn [3d\]: at the end tapir [2d\]: what is the result of ali vs. thomas? heywardbey [2d\]: no heywardbey [2d\]: white would have lost heywardbey [2d\]: either way Syptryn [3d\]: nope Karnesun [5d\]: Harry, how about Kang? Gizensha [?\]: in last moves w was just looking for a place to resign heywardbey [2d\]: yees Syptryn [3d\]: White would have womn kim777 [1k\]: yes white was lost Syptryn [3d\]: check it yourself heywardbey [2d\]: sorry :/ miammiam [2d\]: yes, white doesnt take D4 (and close in S6) and it is B+10. Syptryn [3d\]: if white connected E-7 Syptryn [3d\]: it works out to to be W + 1.5 kim777 [1k\]: of connected he lost miammiam [2d\]: yes, black doesnt take D4 (and close in S6) and it is B+10. kim777 [1k\]: if* heywardbey [2d\]: actually no Syptryn [3d\]: remem,ber you need to subtract 6 from SE estimate heywardbey [2d\]: black still wins. heywardbey [2d\]: :/ Syptryn [3d\]: since SE doesn't have komi NorthWind [5k\]: thanks Harry, hard day for the equipment problems Syptryn [3d\]: for this game heywardbey [2d\]: uhh heywardbey [2d\]: yeah it should Syptryn [3d\]: So unless SE says black + 6 or more, white wins kim777 [1k\]: se have the komi Onmyoji [-\]: se has komi sheeryjay [2k\]: SE certainly has komi heywardbey [2d\]: then why does it have .5 Syptryn [3d\]: check rules heywardbey [2d\]: at the end kim777 [1k\]: SE have the komi miammiam [2d\]: komi is 6.5 here. what was the real komi ? Syptryn [3d\]: the rules for this game is 0.5 komi heywardbey [2d\]: the rules say 6.5 heywardbey [2d\]: lol kim777 [1k\]: rules say 6.5 x) heywardbey [2d\]: nice try :) Stones123 [2k\]: SE knows everything about komi Syptryn [3d\]: eh'\] Syptryn [3d\]: oops Neverhood [3k\]: no komi set for this game, Syptryn's right... heywardbey [2d\]: LOL kim777 [1k\]: ^^x heywardbey [2d\]: ^ trying to cover up eh kim777 [1k\]: lol Neverhood [3k\]: aaaah Neverhood [3k\]: no sorry NorthWind [5k\]: komi 6.5 Neverhood [3k\]: found it heywardbey [2d\]: wow onadare [2k\]: resign ? Ono [2d?\]: so whats going on now in the game? did he resign or what mmmd [2k?\]: yes he did miammiam [2d\]: all these torunaments games (eurogotv) are with komi = 6.5 ? heywardbey [2d\]: of course dmf [14k\]: b+r? Wagaboo [10k\]: yes CsehAndrei [3k\]: so, eurogo, what is the result? sheeryjay [2k\]: B+R CsehAndrei [3k\]: thx, I'd like an official answer tyresgo: b + 8.5 CsehAndrei [3k\]: eurogo sleeping? Sven84 [3k\]: i wonder how kang's game is going zardd [11k\]: from EuroGo2 say, b+r hosainogo: Mai Andrei, daca vrei un raspuns oficial, cauta-l in alta parte. Harry nu poate sa-ti dea un raspuns oficial LOL avio [2d\]: b+r sheeryjay [2k\]: CsehAndrei, you won't get any more official than opening this game offline and looking for the comment by Eurogotv1 where he said B+R avio [2d\]: dupa ce b conducea cu 2,5 pts Excalibor [-\]: so Ilya lost... The end to his winning strike :) Excalibor [-\]: well, this shows he's still human ;-) sheeryjay [2k\]: about 25th comment in this node .. and thanks for the confidence ... Excalibor [-\]: anyone knows how to save this game from the web client? i don't have the "good" one installed, and this one doesn't seem to let me save this sheeryjay [2k\]: no way to save it from web client sheeryjay [2k\]: But you can download it from http://files.gokgs.com/games/2010/8/3/EuroGoTV1-2.sgf Excalibor [-\]: ah, nice... :) thank you! ])