(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi] GN[European Go Congress 2010 board 1 FINAL]PW[Artem Kachanovskyy]PB[Jung-hyeop Kim]WR[6d]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-07]RO[10]PC[Tampere, Finland]US[HW9x9]C[Shedal [2d\]: Morning EuroGoTV1 [-\]: morning FFH [3k\]: who is in board 2? FFH [3k\]: any one knows? Asum [1k?\]: ilya vs ? FFH [3k\]: ilya vs pop? Asum [1k?\]: beat him already Xebo [4d\]: I gzuess ilya vs vanzeijst FFH [3k\]: yes, van zeisjt is strongest that ilya hasnt played against Asum [1k?\]: could be ilya vs cornel ichim [4k\]: my bet is cornel Xebo [4d\]: vanzeijst is lowest of 6pointers Xebo [4d\]: so he will be going up Xebo [4d\]: thats how the system works usually JohnSmith [1d\]: Ilya-dinerstein will be Shedal [2d\]: John, not likely JohnSmith [1d\]: You'll see Asum [1k?\]: ilya lost his last game, and cornel won his Nefeste [5k\]: JohnSmith - are you really madonna? ) Shedal [2d\]: What about Dinerchtein's appeal against van Zeijst? What was decided about their game's result? beefree27: what happened? murr: dinerchtein won Xebo [4d\]: board2 shows the two koreans :( Nefeste [5k\]: Zeijst didn't look at clock when he runs out of time.. Shedal [2d\]: van Zeijst lost on time, but told to a judge he didn't hear the clock's voice... so the game continued and he won shakti [-\]: hmm, that's not fair Shedal [2d\]: hence the appeal beefree27: did the clock make a noise? beefree27: or did it mess up Nefeste [5k\]: clock must scream "hey make a move noooow 10..9..8..7..etc" beefree27: i know, was the clock messed up, or did he just not hear it Shedal [2d\]: Clock was alright beefree27: oh, then he loses, there is no debate Shedal [2d\]: just the volume was minimal luciangela [5k\]: if diener win, pairing must be very complicated beefree27: hmmm....guess let the judge decide then luciangela [5k\]: sos diener 267 or more luciangela [5k\]: mybe over ali luciangela [5k\]: so, diener have chance to european 3 luciangela [5k\]: after artem and illia Shedal [2d\]: a small chance luciangela [5k\]: is important who play with ali beefree27: right now, the younger you are, the higher your place ichim [4k\]: if diener win than ilia vs cornel my guess luciangela [5k\]: yes beefree27: EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ilia plays against dinerchtein luciangela [5k\]: illia vs cornel is normal pairing luciangela [5k\]: and ali vs diener Shedal [2d\]: Two russians in a final game on board 2? Not exciting. luciangela [5k\]: *dinerchtein NorthWind [5k\]: fight through the endless moisturiser and sees Artem waiting luciangela [5k\]: an official web site don't see pairing luciangela [5k\]: Ilya Shikshin (7d) - Chaelim Kim (7d) luciangela [5k\]: eroor on web page Shedal [2d\]: 2nd board is Kang vs Kim. Weird gets weirdier. luciangela [5k\]: diner won NorthWind [5k\]: ooh Artem has sente luciangela [5k\]: ali vs pop luciangela [5k\]: cornel vs mero csaba luciangela [5k\]: nice games luciangela [5k\]: illia vs diner Nefeste [5k\]: Ilia has a chance to be a winner than ) NorthWind [5k\]: Artem's problem is that all the others have better SOS so he has to win this game to be sure N4KED [1d\]: Artem has no chance! Shedal [2d\]: Artem has more chance than anyone Nefeste [5k\]: Ilia must play slow, and if Artem been in disadvantage, Ilia should pay to Alex some big present after game ends whatisgo [2d\]: what is the final result of breakfast's last game? luciangela [5k\]: if cornel win...will be 3 european !!! GO Cornel ! whatisgo [2d\]: Go Ali!! Shedal [2d\]: egc site sais Dinerchtein won yesterday Koffein [-\]: no stream today? NorthWind [5k\]: stream ok for me, just no players NorthWind [5k\]: aha, they arrived Koffein [-\]: "off air" for me .. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 ] ;B[pd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i had to refresh 6 times to get a picture myself ] ;W[dp]C[Shipper [3k\]: Time to watch some Go, fellers EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, Dinerchtein won with 27.5 points BEHIND after filling dames ] ;B[pq]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: by time Koffein [-\]: refreshed 6 times .. still off air :/ ] ;W[dd]C[DanielTom [5d\]: if he won by time, why did the referee say he lost, Euro? Shedal [2d\]: Go, Artem!!! Shedal [2d\]: Ukraine is with you! DanielTom [5d\]: I'm for Artem too :) NorthWind [5k\]: me too Xebo [4d\]: Go Artem! scurge [5d\]: i refreshed around 7times and now its ok, anywas go artem go ;) beefree25: ukraine is strong! DanielTom [5d\]: I would like to see Ilya vs. alex on board 2 :( Oleksandr [1d\]: Artem the best! erkkierkki [6k\]: I am more hyped up for that guy who has 9 wins Shipper [3k\]: Artem is gonna' be a fan favorite for KGS players erkkierkki [6k\]: can he get 10th win whatisgo [2d\]: not only ykraine but also at least half of kgs :) droid [4k\]: artem is white ] ;B[fq] ;W[hq]C[DanielTom [5d\]: indeed Jax [10k\]: yep NorthWind [5k\]: good point droid ... Artem IS playing white droid [4k\]: yes droid [4k\]: but names are wrong here droid [4k\]: if someone doesnt watch stream i mean :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oeps DanielTom [5d\]: I think Euro can still change them NorthWind [5k\]: yay EuroGoTV1 [-\]: what is wrong? Nefeste [5k\]: i hear like mouse clicking ) Shedal [2d\]: R5 beefree25: h3 seems like artem trying too hard neHb [1k\]: GO Jung-hyeop Kim Shedal [2d\]: ooooh! Artem is white... Lacrimosa [2d?\]: it's standard dxxd [2k\]: the most basic move johnny [4k?\]: they play with 6.5 komi, US open played with 7.5 alladin [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 doesn't work only for me? Xebo [4d\]: doesnt work here either Shipper [3k\]: Works for me DanielTom [5d\]: try refreshing the page, alladin EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no more people have problems again EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i had to refresh 6times myself alladin [-\]: refreshed many times.. dxxd [2k\]: you should just give up Ustream and find funding for something better Shipper [3k\]: B played shimari whatisgo [2d\]: s5? DanielTom [5d\]: the opening is really standard then beefree25: r5, l3 DanielTom [5d\]: and then san san NorthWind [5k\]: ? Shipper [3k\]: Eurogo is asleep? NorthWind [5k\]: why no moves ? ] ;B[qo] ;W[kq] ;B[cq] ;W[dq] ;B[cp] ;W[do] ;B[dr] ;W[er] ;B[cr]C[Shipper [3k\]: nothing special right not, anyway ] ;W[eq] ;B[cn]C[Shipper [3k\]: So Artem win = champion? TaksiMies [2k\]: missing stream also DanielTom [5d\]: most likely, Shipper EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry had to go away for the apeeal to the appeal of the van Zeojst-Dinerchtein incident svrcd [?\]: yes, if artem win, then artem is champion EuroGoTV1 [-\]: van Zeijst NorthWind [5k\]: haha beefree2: this looks like ilia's game yesterday mikan [2d?\]: Incident? Shipper [3k\]: probly, this is textbook fuseki so far DanielTom [5d\]: Kim's fuseki is a good choice against Artem I think whatisgo [2d\]: they recycle NorthWind [5k\]: fancy blaming the clock .. poor little clock TaksiMies [2k\]: same here off air EuroGoTV1 [-\]: van Zeijst won by 27.5 but didnt hear the byo yomi signal of the clock ] ;W[qf]C[NorthWind [5k\]: well, he should wash his ears more Jinghua [16k?\]: so what became the official result? beefree2: same exact opening, except artem is playing the other guy hehe ] ;B[nc]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refree said van zeijst won ] ;W[rd]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: appeal commission said Dinerchtein won st21 [-\]: well Jinghua [16k?\]: Ok... Daoloth [-\]: mr. stein should learn to resign EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now there will be a final appeal this afternoon adiida [3k\]: this says a lot about dinersteyn's character ] ;B[qg]C[Shipper [3k\]: it's a sticky situation indeed NorthWind [5k\]: did you give them a video replay ? Xebo [4d\]: this afternoon? - I think the pairing this morning depends on it erikk [-\]: Rob is getting older, maybe he has a hearing problem? Imvatim [?\]: you mean technically van zeijst lost on time? beefree2: not really, this is a business for a pro after all st21 [-\]: is here stream for this game? kirisute [-\]: technically van zeijst won on referee judgment :) Imvatim [?\]: >< EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, the sound was turned off (by Dinerchtein when van Zeijst was not there) Jinghua [16k?\]: if he lost on time, then thats that, it has nothing to do with Dinners charachter EuroGoTV1 [-\]: before the game Imvatim [?\]: oh wow Lacrimosa [2d?\]: hehe DanielTom [5d\]: do we know Dinerchtein turned it off? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or maybe the sound was allready off mikan [2d?\]: lol, breakfast tampered with the clock Imvatim [?\]: ooooo Imvatim [?\]: lots of finger pointing. i like it. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, i do not say that NorthWind [5k\]: ooh, the plot thickens .. call Poirot ] ;W[pg] ;B[qh]C[erikk [-\]: i thought that it was impossible to turn the sound off? DanielTom [5d\]: you need to be careful there, Euro, saying Dinerchtein did it is something serious beefree2: omg, he turned the sound off, haha Shipper [3k\]: video evidence needed XD kagome [11k?\]: slander kirisute [-\]: the sound is quite annoying, so no wonder people want to turn it off NorthWind [5k\]: fingerprint them both TaksiMies [2k\]: i get related videos not stream ] ;W[ph]C[Gizensha [?\]: can't plame platyers for taking the sound off as that ing clock can be infuriating DanielTom [5d\]: I think if van Zeijst lost on time, alex should win no matter how many points he was behind. but I do feel bad for van Zeijst... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: nice start for: http://eurogopro.org/opening.html DanielTom [5d\]: s14... ] ;B[qi]C[DanielTom [5d\]: ok, White q15 now? Redjoker [3d\]: s14 mikan [2d?\]: Is it kosher to say Orient? trueno [6d\]: hi SinaGo [4k\]: this is joseki DanielTom [5d\]: an european professional go league... Cornel wants to be a pro? :) DanielTom [5d\]: yes, it is joseki, Sina SinaGo [4k\]: yes i didnt put the ? Ludovician [?\]: doesn't everybody want to be a pro? ] ;W[pf]C[Shedal [2d\]: I don't NorthWind [5k\]: ah, out friend Kang is on board 2. nice that she finished on TV Shedal [2d\]: Q14??? NorthWind [5k\]: our Ludovician [?\]: shame on you st21 [-\]: artem must win EuroGoTV1 [-\]: http://eurogopro.org/opening.html Jinghua [16k?\]: Im a pro, just not at Go ;) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oeps i ment EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 DanielTom [5d\]: thickness vs territory DanielTom [5d\]: Black has an easier game Shedal [2d\]: Isn't Q15 better? DanielTom [5d\]: r17 Ludovician [?\]: black wins, i think st21 [-\]: KIm lost to Ms.Kang and Iliya scurge [5d\]: this eruopean pro project is interessting, do they have some sponsors already or it's still just in clouds? beefree2: artem destroys in middle and yose st21 [-\]: Kim trueno [6d\]: white win ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 5 sponsors EuroGoTV1 [-\]: we need 12 DanielTom [5d\]: I hope W wins, but it will be hard EuroGoTV1 [-\]: each player gets its own sponsor scurge [5d\]: hmmm EuroGoTV1 [-\]: will be 12 players pro for 1 year scurge [5d\]: that's a bit weird of a system EuroGoTV1 [-\]: after 1 year tp 6 stays scurge [5d\]: i see Koffein [-\]: how about "zhuyeqing european professional go association" ? ;-) Shipper [3k\]: B racking up profit while W grabs some thickness Jinghua [16k?\]: Rob officially lost scurge [5d\]: but nice :) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: last 6 have to fight with top 18 amateurs for open 6 places scurge [5d\]: hopefully they will find other 7 :) scurge [5d\]: cool :) shihu [9k\]: what is b thinking now? Luna86 [9k\]: in different tournament or egc kinda event? Shipper [3k\]: A Western professional organization? Oh god yes SinaGo [4k\]: you can ask ryanair SinaGo [4k\]: :) scurge [5d\]: but like this it's still not really pro organisation. Imagine you get money for a year then you drop, you have to find a job but you haven't done anything in a year etc.. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i you support this initiative please let us know by sending a mail to goodidea@eurogopro.org scurge [5d\]: oke :) Scharlach [1d\]: and if they lose to amateurs, they'll lose their pro status? st21 [-\]: b win Taranu st21 [-\]: wins DanielTom [5d\]: "goodidea" hehe EuroGoTV1 [-\]: players will get a basis income for 1 year dxxd [2k\]: naturally it has its risks to be a board game pro EuroGoTV1 [-\]: at least 800 euro/month leszczyn [-\]: who will sponsor? dxxd [2k\]: no matter where Gizensha [?\]: don't know if european go scene is ready to support professional playing Jinghua [16k?\]: there is no way to lose pro status DanielTom [5d\]: the problem is, there very few european players who can play at pro level at all EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 12 different sponsors, we hope all European companies DanielTom [5d\]: there are* Jinghua [16k?\]: how? Gizensha [?\]: the level is rising though Scharlach [1d\]: hmm, i like it. it is certainly not real pro organization but it is a beginning EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, if you dont make the top 12 you lose your European pro status ] ;B[qc]C[Sandbagger [?\]: (If I can ask this without all hell breaking loose...how is "European" being defined?) Imvatim [?\]: wow... Gizensha [?\]: having european players fighting for the main tournament win EuroGoTV1 [-\]: passport SinaGo [4k\]: nice SinaGo [4k\]: means i can turn pro lol DanielTom [5d\]: losing the pro status? hmm NorthWind [5k\]: is the interest of the Go-playing community important to this venture ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yep, harder then in Asia Imvatim [?\]: stressful job ] ;W[pj]C[Shedal [2d\]: It was exactly the game Lee Changho vs Yu Bin, but Lee Changho did Q15, not Q14 Vabank [1d\]: well in china are contracts I think? Imvatim [?\]: and white attacks! DanielTom [5d\]: not really attacking, Imvatim Vabank [1d\]: so stressfull work there too Shipper [3k\]: Q15 is the move usually found in joseki books EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Shipper [3k\]: *Q14 DanielTom [5d\]: q10 new move? usually W plays at q11 instead, I think Shedal [2d\]: Kogo's Joseki Dictionary only knows about Q15 StefanRadu [1k\]: off air EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i had to refresh 6 times to get a picture myself Shipper [3k\]: W going for sexy well Shipper [3k\]: ...I can't type tonight UFO [3k\]: i cant login neHb [1k\]: gogo Jung-hyeop Kim NorthWind [5k\]: wall ? Stones123 [3k\]: why Artem didn`t sign in for euro pro league? Ludovician [?\]: i had the same trouble with the mirror this morning, harry EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he did this morning Stones123 Shedal [2d\]: Q10 is shining in my monitor Stones123 [3k\]: ok UFO [3k\]: nice NorthWind [5k\]: seems like a standard pushing/crawling move NtuleGloom [3k\]: r9 eatramen [22k\]: EuroGo whats the name of that Go tourney thats going to take place in Romania? Shedal [2d\]: NorthWind, it seems ordinary, but in fact, it is a very new move YangXu [4d\]: whats artems record? Shipper [3k\]: 8-1 I believe NorthWind [5k\]: haha Shedal, means little to a lowly kyu :) MPU [5k\]: there is no broadbast on EurogoTV? shusakurva [2d?\]: yeah MPU [5k\]: what a pity UFO [3k\]: i cant login Imvatim [?\]: seems like w is going to make a pretty wall? Shedal [2d\]: It's interesting... Did Artem make thourugh studies on this variation, Or is this impromtu? Shipper [3k\]: A wall that could work well with the bottom right Shipper [3k\]: *left ] ;B[pi]C[LugPaj [2d\]: how much money gets the winner of the tounament igoyametai [4d\]: did Dinnerstein win his appeal? Jinghua [16k?\]: yes Shedal [2d\]: yes Imvatim [?\]: oooo black's not letting him. NtuleGloom [3k\]: appeal? for what? Shipper [3k\]: just P11 Shipper [3k\]: B has to escape down the right eventually NorthWind [5k\]: p11 p10 coming Jinghua [16k?\]: his opponent lost by time but did not hear the clock... NtuleGloom [3k\]: ah Kickchon [?\]: at what move ? adiida [3k\]: dinersteyn's victory again van zeijst ... the most despicable gesture i've heard of in Go ... reminds me of another game where let's say A and B played a game in a fast Go tournament .... 15 min each,no bioyomi . player A leads on the board by a few points , only has a few dame to fill , but only 3 sec. on the clock . Player B , instead of atari a few times until player A's time would run out , says pass , thus losing the game ... now compare those 2 gestures ... noone can convince me ... no matter what anyone says , no matter what the rules say , he should NOT have won that game NtuleGloom [3k\]: so diner took the loss SinaGo [4k\]: one question does the pro system includes the european geografical area? ] ;W[oi]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: maube dispicable gestures at top ranked levels ZothOmmog [4k\]: many Imvatim [?\]: it's the clock's fault. SinaGo [4k\]: because this leaves few countries out ] ;B[oj]C[StefanRadu [1k\]: r10 Imvatim [?\]: wait. we're still waiting for a final judgement from the referee right? StefanRadu [1k\]: kyu powa! Shipper [3k\]: W getting off good IMO dmf [14k\]: stream down? NorthWind [5k\]: kyu kyu kyu SinaGo [4k\]: stream ok Step [4d\]: q9 ZothOmmog [4k\]: steam ok goodminton [-\]: no one can convince me i am a hundred years old know all and dont want to accept anything else ---- important oppinion Shipper [3k\]: Q9 or R10? Hmmmmm dmf [14k\]: it doesn't work for me Moppel: europro shall start without diner so ZothOmmog [4k\]: you are a hundred years old RyuuGan [1d\]: q9 o11 p12 s9 i guess goodminton [-\]: ^^ goodminton [-\]: lets concentrate on the game again ;-) kirisute [-\]: r10 plz neHb [1k\]: gogo Jung-hyeop Kim Imvatim [?\]: looks like it's going to get ugly already UFO [3k\]: where is eurogotv 3? Shipper [3k\]: ugly for B AEK [-\]: could you send me stream link? Imvatim [?\]: i've always wondered about that LugPaj [2d\]: dont like w seikenguy [1k\]: Koreans liek to fight. seikenguy [1k\]: like* ] ;W[pk]C[Shipper [3k\]: YES hirakawade [2d?\]: Go is a fighting game. ] ;B[ni] ;W[oh] ;B[rk]C[kirisute [-\]: meh :( ] ;W[rl]C[Step [4d\]: RyuuGan ;-) dmf [14k\]: so, if artem loses and ilya wins... how wins the ecg? RyuuGan [1d\]: ? ] ;B[rj]C[dmf [14k\]: egc* Wen [3k\]: EuroGoTV1 fix camera board 2 pls =.= i can't watch it dmf [14k\]: how* dmf [14k\]: who* EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will check eurogotv2 RyuuGan [1d\]: о... моя последовательность была верной Степан? Step [4d\]: о да) UFO [3k\]: i cant login RyuuGan [1d\]: я отвлекся :) NorthWind [5k\]: haha, you just want to see Kang's shorts :D Imvatim [?\]: she's wearing shorts? O.O DarkKnight [3d\]: interesting, i would have agreed to territory in sente Shipper [3k\]: B lives in gote? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: EuroGoTV2 stream is working perfectly from this end of the line EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i have no influence what happens with the signal as it keaves this building Imvatim [?\]: yes is this actually better than if B continued running down? Morla [5d\]: both are offline for me EuroGoTV1 [-\]: :-( jezork [4d\]: both working for me eatramen [22k\]: same here EuroGoTV1 [-\]: all week there are international routing problems EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe because of hot wheater in Europe Nhane [2k\]: R8 is bad ? Black can live in sente ? N4KED [1d\]: oh ccw1995: hi BabaR [2d\]: q8 I like Trivia [2k?\]: both channels work fine for me StefanRadu [1k\]: hey, its there anyone here from florence? UFO [3k\]: is that why i can t login harry? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if you cant login your username or password is wrong^^ Nefeste [5k\]: i can see both translations - works good for me UFO [3k\]: oke NorthWind [5k\]: haha, I'm watching game 1 board and game 2 video -_- Jinghua [15k?\]: I would struggle to stay alive as b here EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol Nefeste [5k\]: game 2 video.. hm all because Kang is playing.. i see eatramen [22k\]: lol NorthWind [5k\]: might be :P fatihsulak [-\]: q8 works it seems Doby [7k\]: how do you get the musician off of your porch? StefanRadu [1k\]: sorry for this .. but.. is there anyone here.. from florence italy? Doby [7k\]: (someone say how?) guzumi [-\]: ask in italian room StefanRadu [1k\]: oh, yes. good idea:P seikenguy [-\]: Didn't black r9 push then cut spell more trouble for w than this? FreeDoom [?\]: ko? Nhane [2k\]: Streaming is a great idea ! We can see that players are not dead :p Shipper [3k\]: This looks really bad for black Nefeste [5k\]: artem always so safe.. Nefeste [5k\]: he should R8 here ) LugPaj [2d\]: q8 better i think Nhane [2k\]: Q8 works too Nhane [2k\]: heu... Q8 R8 ... then ? Shipper [3k\]: Q8 can be cut UFO [3k\]: haha my breakfast will be pizza jezork [4d\]: whoa UFO [3k\]: great a2g [4k\]: will be available sgf of diner - shikins game later? SinaGo [4k\]: s13 Shedal [2d\]: My breakfast is a sandwich with salami seikenguy [-\]: My breakfast is water. Nefeste [5k\]: why in board 2 live channel i rather see Artem, than my lovely Kang?.. its not fair UFO [3k\]: thats nice too hirakawade [2d?\]: It's deluxe. jezork [4d\]: s13... never crossed my mind Shipper [3k\]: althought I can see how Q8 would be nice for the ladder NorthWind [5k\]: W r8 seems sente .. B will have to make life ? Nhane [2k\]: Artem is a funny guy ] ;W[rg]C[Shipper [3k\]: ! claas [2d?\]: better to sacrifice Shipper [3k\]: indeed Shipper [3k\]: now W strong in center Koffein [-\]: 4k move .. artem will lose :/ hirakawade [2d?\]: S13 = unbelievable for me. SinaGo [4k\]: i saw the stream NorthWind [5k\]: no, kyus rule Shedal [2d\]: Artem is 1 professional kyu Nilatarion [3d\]: s13 ok BabaR [2d\]: s12 s14 r8 q8 r7 o10 ? Shipper [3k\]: Is there some sente sequence here? Koffein [-\]: r8 q8 fatihsulak [-\]: s13 better than q8 i think Bazilikan [2k\]: r8 ? snowmen [3d\]: Hi, does anyone Know, why EurogoTV does not work? trueno [6d\]: Artem is level pro? eb5 [?\]: it works twold [1k\]: q8 horrible. only other option was r8, but then s14 is kinda sente for b Shedal [2d\]: doesn't work for me either. Refreshed, like, 50 times ppqq [8k\]: it doesn't dmf [14k\]: same here Bazilikan [2k\]: same snowmen [3d\]: I cannot see the players eb5 [?\]: well, it works for me :-/ Nefeste [5k\]: artem not pro, live tv works ) Khim [-\]: the players maybe are invisible. Khim [-\]: maybe. Mattpark [1d\]: livetv works fine too here rkda [6k\]: EuroGoTV is working in many places and not working in others...it seems to be the international routers that are at issue Nefeste [5k\]: if players invisible, than its KGS go board.. Khim [-\]: works here too:) Shipper [3k\]: How would S14 be sente after W R15? hirakawade [2d?\]: Live tv = In Asia, we can watch. Mattpark [1d\]: yo khim ;) pouette [1d\]: not working here as no one give me the link Nhane [2k\]: TV uses multicast system... A very random technology XD Khim [-\]: salut matt Mattpark [1d\]: toi aussi t'es venu soutenir artem? xD twold [1k\]: shipper: dumb question. if w answers, it's already sente Shedal [2d\]: Ahh... right. Yesterday I could see the broadcasting because I was in Ukraine... now I'm in Denmark, and here it's off air :( bad ustream. claas [2d?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Shipper [3k\]: twold: would B have to play to live in gote afterwards? SinaGo [4k\]: r8 twold [1k\]: no, b would live in sente ] ;B[rm] ;W[qm] ;B[sl]C[Deckard [?\]: in germany its "off air" to :-( Shedal [2d\]: ok, these moves I'll never understand :) lorenzo [15k\]: italy, off air ekku [-\]: finland, off air LugPaj [2d\]: i am from germany....both online Bazilikan [2k\]: israel off air Koffein [-\]: really? you checked every single computer in germany? st21 [-\]: Ukraine on air eatramen [22k\]: lol Warlord [-\]: slovakia is on too st21 [-\]: ^^ Khim [-\]: je soutiens personne moi :) NorthWind [5k\]: must be trying to keep sente, crazy dan stuff seikenguy [-\]: Siberia on air. Laman [1d\]: czechia on too DarkKnight [3d\]: b just trying to make sure both w groups are weak after this sequence Mattpark [1d\]: arf :p shjunpo: hi shjunpo: is it offline? twold [1k\]: no, czechia damaged kryft [1d\]: Finland on air. dagge [1k\]: the stream works for me in Stockholm, but does not work for someone else also in stockholm - so it does not seem to be the geografic location (?) Laman [1d\]: damaged? twold [1k\]: stream 2 has like 10s lags kryft [1d\]: dagge, I think it depends on your ISP. eb5 [?\]: DarkNight - then why S13 ? Deckard [?\]: what could be the reason, never problems before Shedal [2d\]: twold, I wish I had your problems Deckard [?\]: ? shjunpo: what is isp? kryft [1d\]: dagge, At least that's hwat EuroGoTV has said several times. twold [1k\]: i'm not saying it's a problem kryft [1d\]: shjunpo, Internet service provider. Nefeste [5k\]: internet service provider surmezur [6d\]: i am sorry i took all the stream for me twold [1k\]: but 'id like to see kang real-time ^^ surmezur [6d\]: i 've big screens so... Nefeste [5k\]: did u mean all the time? ) Laman [1d\]: twold: ok, first i checked it very briefly. it is a bit like slideshow shjunpo: so the video offline basic? twold [1k\]: thx for confirmation. not that it helps in any way :-) seikenguy [-\]: can anyone explain r7? LugPaj [2d\]: the below-board 2 cam is offline. shjunpo: yes shjunpo: botch cam off eatramen [22k\]: both cams are on for me NorthWind [5k\]: lol Lug N4KED [1d\]: good for me 2 eatramen [22k\]: N4KED did you recently get promoted to shodan? Shedal [2d\]: r7 I think for that continuation: B R8, Q8, T8, O10, which is a ladder prescott [1d\]: illya lost his game? Nefeste [5k\]: already? st21 [-\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt RyuuGan [1d\]: yes eatramen [22k\]: yeesterday, yeah prescott [1d\]: no i mean today shusakurva [2d?\]: works Jinghua [15k?\]: I once got prommoted to shodan ;( NorthWind [5k\]: then you woke up ? Jinghua [15k?\]: then I mistplaced it somewhere.... kirisute [-\]: misplaced it when you were being reincarnated for this life? ] ;W[nj]C[Shedal [2d\]: cut! ] ;B[ok]C[Nefeste [5k\]: brain surgery can be dangerous ] ;W[nl]C[Shipper [3k\]: doesn't looks like Tesuji Nefeste [5k\]: Bluffuji NorthWind [5k\]: looks like a busted spiral ladder Nhane [2k\]: but it's probably Tesuji :p Jax [10k\]: clever move Nhane [2k\]: white wants a wall in the center surmezur [6d\]: kachanosuji very interresting but not so good Nhane [2k\]: or escape his group while attacking black NorthWind [5k\]: yeah prob going to sac q9 and q10 Shedal [2d\]: no, sacrifice is too bad Shipper [3k\]: R8 still sente ZothOmmog [4k\]: o8 big Opul3nce [6k?\]: Time? Shedal [2d\]: that would also mean Q10 was a bad move hirakawade [2d?\]: Artem is smiling. eatramen [22k\]: is this match longer since its the final EuroGo? shusakurva [2d?\]: china, on air Opul3nce [6k?\]: Although the quality of these games tends to be better... i fin that they take toooo long so i'm going to watch thecaptian play? McLean [?\]: why eurogotv is not running? Jinghua [15k?\]: IT IS running StefanRadu [1k\]: no.. its not. Trivia [2k?\]: well you can have steak or fast food our choice ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not both? StefanRadu [1k\]: it worked .. all the other days. but not today. UFO [3k\]: im logged in and see the players now StefanRadu [1k\]: i see some of you have video stream. and aome not ulmo [2k\]: both TV are working for me NorthWind [5k\]: try board2 video Stefan ZothOmmog [4k\]: no ufos. just swamp gas Nhane [2k\]: I'm not sur it works... The image seem to be freezed XD Nhane [2k\]: Ho, no, he moved ! Jinghua [14k?\]: its cold in Finland ZothOmmog [4k\]: but its summer Jinghua [14k?\]: this looks like Korean style play ] ;B[nk] ;W[mk]C[Jinghua [14k?\]: squeezw.... Nefeste [5k\]: Looks like Kim read this deep.. ZothOmmog [4k\]: yep Shipper [3k\]: bad shape ] ;B[mj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: i think w did better Jinghua [14k?\]: who has bad shape? ] ;W[ol] ;B[nj]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: in this exchange Jax [10k\]: sacrificing the o10 stone to keep the two stones connected Nefeste [5k\]: black has ] ;W[ql]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: white Jinghua [14k?\]: lol ] ;B[rn] ;W[lj]C[Shipper [3k\]: Hane the dango! XD ZothOmmog [4k\]: black has terrible shape Nefeste [5k\]: white developing fast enough in my opinion Trivia [2k?\]: whoa Stones123 [3k\]: both beautiful shapes Jax [10k\]: b is too clustered ] ;B[lk] ;W[ml]C[NorthWind [5k\]: hmm, if W read all that I'm impressed. nice result ] ;B[li]C[NullSet [2k\]: was this really the best b had? ] ;W[kj] ;B[ki]C[ekku [-\]: it takes two to dango ZothOmmog [4k\]: o12 StefanRadu [1k\]: harry... why for some of us theres no live stream? ive tried to refresh the page.. ive tried several browsers.. from internet explorer..to safari and google chrome... still.. it sais 78 viewers and stuff.. but then.. black screen and "off air" ZothOmmog [4k\]: n11 first LugPaj [2d\]: why n11 Shipper [3k\]: n11 bad Nefeste [5k\]: o11 ekku [-\]: stefanradu, ustream.com problem propably itepilah [1d\]: same for me with the stream NorthWind [5k\]: W squashed B to very little points on right side kolben [2d?\]: nice play by white Gigot [2k\]: n12 first? Jinghua [14k?\]: Im a fan of Zhang, Kai He 2d Vabank [1d\]: but white don't have many points either :) shusakurva [2d?\]: no win so far for the kid junghua ] ;W[jj]C[jjdf: and q 14 is weak Stones123 [3k\]: r14 still has no life Jinghua [14k?\]: q14 stones not alive yet Jinghua [14k?\]: yes Vabank [1d\]: o RyuuGan [1d\]: q14 can be in danger soon Gigot [2k\]: s12 in sente ZothOmmog [4k\]: q14 resiliant ZothOmmog [4k\]: many moves Shipper [3k\]: Q14 is nowhere near dead ] ;B[ji]C[Jinghua [14k?\]: says 4k... ] ;W[ij]C[twold [1k\]: not really in dange. but b will use the attack to build something Shipper [3k\]: closer to alive than dead, way closer StefanRadu [1k\]: this is good for w. ZothOmmog [4k\]: uh, when you arn't 14k, then you will be better able to say alive or dead kirisute [-\]: alive enough while o11 still weak fatihsulak [-\]: s12 key for life st21 [-\]: o14 twold [1k\]: s12 not important at all furr [?\]: stefanradu: you could try a proxy to reach usstream alladin [-\]: s12 is important, but s17 is more important Shedal [2d\]: Now W has a moyo Nefeste [5k\]: h3 l3 is low... StefanRadu [1k\]: something around o14 for b its also big Jinghua [14k?\]: wich of the Korean Kims is a lady? twold [1k\]: w has one and half eye on the side and more than half eye around o13 Shedal [2d\]: Go Artem! ZothOmmog [4k\]: b in so much trouble twold [1k\]: so plenty alive Trivia [2k?\]: both Kims are dude ZothOmmog [4k\]: too bad Stones123 [3k\]: o14 seems sente Jinghua [14k?\]: thx EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not both Nefeste [5k\]: omg EuroGoTV1 [-\]: this is guy Jinghua [14k?\]: whuch is a lady, Euro? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: chaelim is girl Jinghua [14k?\]: thx surmezur [6d\]: i think stream is not so interresting both of players are very static, no nervous bodytalk, no cough in the background... a picture will replace stream perfectly StefanRadu [1k\]: b o13-o14 huge. w o3 huge. yamadaeimi [4d\]: go artem ZothOmmog [4k\]: b o13 w o12 hirakawade [2d?\]: Both Kims are dude.---> dude is good meaning ? Shipper [3k\]: yeah, what's so special about watching 2 people in deep thought? The game is what matters Trivia [2k?\]: yes with Ilya the feed was much more animated albundy [2k\]: who's prettier... kang or chaelim? Trivia [2k?\]: hehe eatramen [22k\]: one kim is a guy, one's a girl Jinghua [14k?\]: what a question.... eatramen [22k\]: lol Nefeste [5k\]: Kang is a lady certainly.. Mikki62 [1k\]: is there a live stream? yamadaeimi [4d\]: artem is so cute today with t shirt Nhane [2k\]: hum... Hoshiman [2d\]: not for everybody Shedal [2d\]: somebody, give us at least a screenshot of the broadcast :-/ surmezur [6d\]: artem is always elegant Shipper [3k\]: W's influence looks like it could kill a bull Hoshiman [2d\]: yeah screenshot would be nice Hoshiman [2d\]: like 15 per second Shedal [2d\]: :) Eilinen [-\]: : p seikenguy [-\]: *sigh* I guess it's offline for me too. Shedal [2d\]: Oh, I know, I know! Somebody, share your screen with broadcast on air! seikenguy [-\]: Too bad. NorthWind [5k\]: hmm, d6 or n3 or s17 .. choices choices twold [1k\]: o13 area looks more vital Shipper [3k\]: a shimari on top left is looking real good right now kryft [1d\]: NorthWind, You're not the least bit worried about the black group in the center? :P Nhane [2k\]: M13 to attack ? ZothOmmog [4k\]: chaelim is a king of fighters LugPaj [2d\]: what ring is artem wearing Shedal [2d\]: One ring to rule them all, I guess NorthWind [5k\]: no kryf, I'll save that :D twold [1k\]: i doubt it's the one. has to be a one of nine Koffein [-\]: shedal, great idea! now everyone without stream find someone with stream, and connect via remote desktop connection! surmezur [6d\]: so young and already engaged, artem is so serious Adin [1d\]: well, he's playing for the European title MrZNF [2d\]: engaged with who? The board? Nefeste [5k\]: http://rapidshare.com/files/411535372/scr1.JPG Jinghua [8k?\]: I just played a whole game and they didnt move... Adin [1d\]: anyone would be serious ] ;B[ii]C[Shedal [2d\]: Screencast.com or flickr is easier to share pics ] ;W[hj]C[igoyametai [4d\]: B is in a difficult position seikenguy [-\]: Every push for b is painful. Jinghua [8k?\]: push push.......... ] ;B[nf]C[Koffein [-\]: or imageshack .. but i don´t mind, i have a rs prem acc ;-) StefanRadu [1k\]: o14.. i knew it:P Jax [10k\]: there's the attack Shedal [2d\]: N13 LugPaj [2d\]: s12 Shipper [3k\]: atari now? Hoshiman [2d\]: mmmmh please screenshot board 1 NorthWind [5k\]: s17 first Hoshiman [2d\]: not 2 :) StefanRadu [1k\]: atari first. kryft [1d\]: I think there's a proverb about not pushing from behind along the 10th line. <:) StefanRadu [1k\]: then s17. NorthWind [5k\]: oh yes o12 maybe ZothOmmog [4k\]: n13 Jinghua [8k?\]: now b will exploit the weakness StefanRadu [1k\]: if w lives in sente.. it would be great. because o3 got alot bigger. hirakawade [2d?\]: O12 = 100 % MrZNF [2d\]: why o12, black won't play o12 anyway ZothOmmog [4k\]: n13 MrZNF [2d\]: so it's a wasted kothreat ZothOmmog [4k\]: o12 boring Hoshiman [2d\]: n13 MrZNF [2d\]: n13 much better ] ;W[mh]C[alkar: n12,n11n14 Hoshiman [2d\]: lol ZothOmmog [4k\]: or that Shipper [3k\]: That's what I'm talking about MrZNF [2d\]: or something like this I guess, but not o12 :o bin7674 [9d?\]: bad exchange Shedal [2d\]: THEN n14 Shedal [2d\]: oops ] ;B[mi]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: but n13 next igoyametai [4d\]: n13 bin7674 [9d?\]: yes, just n13 is better bin7674 [9d?\]: :) MrZNF [2d\]: if white n13 now, than it's bad ] ;W[rc]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: blah! ZothOmmog [4k\]: s17 SUCKS MrZNF [2d\]: this is weird RyuuGan [1d\]: n13 better NorthWind [5k\]: no, obvious StefanRadu [1k\]: w made a good game so far. Shipper [3k\]: W's ready to move on, he needs some more profit surmezur [6d\]: 014 move made artem maxilary moving kjjds: w is better now neHb [1k\]: членарисовался Imvatim [?\]: b must not like this. kjjds: he have a big moyo StefanRadu [1k\]: still.. w`s moyo not safe. Nino [2k\]: moyo is never safe ;) StefanRadu [1k\]: when you are takemya it is. Nefeste [5k\]: until its territory igoyametai [4d\]: o12 Shipper [3k\]: left is starting to look bigger and bigger StefanRadu [1k\]: o12 only move i think. Hoshiman [2d\]: n13 ZothOmmog [4k\]: o12 makes sense kirisute [-\]: moyo is worth some points, and those points are safe, but not the rest of it :) ZothOmmog [4k\]: or m13 ulmo [2k\]: screenshots : http://rapidshare.com/files/411535826/eurogotv1.jpg and http://rapidshare.com/files/411535955/eurogotv2.jpg alexanderp [?\]: what's the purpose of o12? w live unconditionally, b too Shipper [3k\]: lol Shedal [2d\]: You have reached the download limit for free-users. alexanderp [?\]: left is big, w's moyo is big, too Hoshiman [2d\]: thx for screenshots Shedal [2d\]: flickr/screencast.com please? Shipper [3k\]: I wouldn't call B's clump in the middle unconditionally alive, yet Syptryn [3d\]: are all the koreans girls? "P NorthWind [5k\]: these guys never play moves like n3 which to me looks great for both Hoshiman [2d\]: nop erikk [-\]: the boys were last year in the egc Hoshiman [2d\]: 50% in korea is men Nefeste [5k\]: no Kang is definetly girl, 1 Kim Jung-hyeop os a boy.. Syptryn [3d\]: but they're all playing starcraft 2 Moppel: a screenshot is good enough, no need for vid NorthWind [5k\]: well n3 for B, o3 for W Hoshiman [2d\]: 1 7d girl on congress Syptryn [3d\]: so only girls are entering EGC this year LugPaj [2d\]: Hoshiman, wrong kryft [1d\]: NorthWind, It is a great move for both (well, white would play o3), but there were more urgent moves at the time Shedal [2d\]: How many Kims are there in Korea? dM01 [4k\]: 3 grumpyjoe [-\]: is this kim a woman? Hangovers [3k\]: about 50% :p ] ;B[gd]C[Nefeste [5k\]: its a boy dM01 [4k\]: surprise! alexanderp [?\]: g16 is logical...for both alexanderp [?\]: not surprise Mikki62 [1k\]: could anybody pass the live stream link? dM01 [4k\]: well, i wouldnt have guessed it ZothOmmog [4k\]: h11 Mikki62 [1k\]: mein bruder NorthWind [5k\]: ooh now B has cunning plan for counter-moyo ZothOmmog [4k\]: i play xbox with my bruder Shipper [3k\]: What kind of move would C9 be right now? Syptryn [3d\]: h11 ? kryft [1d\]: N13 now? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Mikki62 [1k\]: thx Syptryn [3d\]: n14 ? StefanRadu [1k\]: n13 better ZothOmmog [4k\]: c9 asks for a slap alexanderp [?\]: c9 is a bit too far from the stones grumpyjoe [-\]: what was the deal with alex's game yesterday? alexanderp [?\]: grumpyjoe - a commission decided Diner won kirisute [-\]: maybe o15? alexanderp [?\]: d7 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but there will be a final appeal this afternoon ZothOmmog [4k\]: i think h11 is big grumpyjoe [-\]: what was the problem? kostuek [-\]: q14 group needs another move? grumpyjoe [-\]: i hope not cheating whatisgo [2d\]: and breakfast was a member of that comission btw ... alexanderp [?\]: grumpy - clocks grumpyjoe [-\]: oh Fruitzilla [-\]: what!!?? dM01 [4k\]: lol dM01 [4k\]: great :p ww [?\]: will there be a stream of present ceremonies? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes ww [?\]: what time ] ;W[hi]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 16.00 local time ww [?\]: oktx grumpyjoe [-\]: today? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is now 12.00 local time NorthWind [5k\]: h11 nice Shedal [2d\]: W can get some on the left too EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but because of the appeal i think it wil be later Shedal [2d\]: which appeal? Nefeste [5k\]: reappeal H16 [1d\]: i think the same think occured to Dinner himself last year during the congress Renju [?\]: give more details? =) grumpyjoe [-\]: who actually won the game? in terms of points TaksiMies [2k\]: is there stream that works now? ZothOmmog [4k\]: hey! I guessed it! H16 [1d\]: and he got a loss Jinghua [8k?\]: fair is fair ZothOmmog [4k\]: well, then its fair kryft [1d\]: TaksiMies, The stream has worked for me all the time. The problem isn't at EuroGoTV's end. ZothOmmog [4k\]: karma EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in 2008 he lost on time in the last round (but the he has also a lost position) pistachio [8k\]: is there a webpage that gives the paring and results for this tournament? prescott [1d\]: what does SOS mean on the ranking table? mmmd [2k?\]: sum of oponents score TaksiMies [2k\]: betting board works though alexanderp [?\]: grumpy, Diner wrote on the forum, that Rob was ahead NorthWind [5k\]: SOS is tie-breaker method Mikki62 [1k\]: is te live stream not working? Shedal [2d\]: W threatens to eat the central B group and crerating some potential on the left side... Good! mmmd [2k?\]: its the tie breaker kirisute [-\]: it means Save Our Souls From Ties Jinghua [8k?\]: if you dont allow loss by time, then having the clocks is pointless EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Rob won the game with 27.5 points bolb [-\]: what forum ? prescott [1d\]: ah thank you kuzgun [1k?\]: www.egc2010.fi bolb [-\]: thx Jinghua [8k?\]: S18 alexanderp [?\]: Dinershtein wrote on Russian go forum: "The lead of Zeist was significant, but a big furikawari just happened and to assess the position wasn't easy" Jax [10k\]: o12 igoyametai [4d\]: this kind of things happens only to people without character KOCMOHABT [-\]: Is anythere kifu Dinerstein-VanZeist? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no Stones123 [3k\]: где-то однозначно есть asuranzara: if artem wins this he´s wins this tournament right? Nilatarion [3d\]: yes EuroGoTV1 [-\]: uyes kirisute [-\]: "significant lead".. 27 points sounds more like a "dead lost position" to me dM01 [4k\]: lol NorthWind [5k\]: yes asura Jinghua [8k?\]: thats nonsense, and the thing about his charachter is absurd. Is he expected to disregard the tournament rules and concede a loss when his opponent lost by time, when he himself had to take a loss by time earlier on. erikk [-\]: probably a peace of cake for Jasiek ;) minismurf [-\]: so why din Alex get the win? igoyametai [4d\]: anyway wrong example from top players - they should keep their class minismurf [-\]: did they agree on a wrong result? Jinghua [8k?\]: his opponent lose on time, thats why albundy [2k\]: that fake russian pro has no honor EuroGoTV1 [-\]: referee said play on fountain [2d?\]: yes, he has no honour neHb [1k\]: на прошлом чемпионате у одного из корейцев часы отказались говорить - он вызвал судью - пока тот шел время вышло - ему засчитали поражение EuroGoTV1 [-\]: appeal commission said win by time Nefeste [5k\]: there are Rules EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now this afternoon final appeal NorthWind [5k\]: is it classy to say you didn;t hear a clock > Renju [?\]: referee said play on, despite player had no time? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes fountain [2d?\]: rules? with manipulated by someone clock? lol erikk [-\]: should be a replay kagome [11k?\]: no replay Renju [?\]: such thing would never happen in renju =P minismurf [-\]: so Alex was out of time? Fruitzilla [-\]: no, Rob StefanRadu [1k\]: rob was kjjds [?\]: neHb can you speak in english please i dont understadn youuuuuuu kostuek [-\]: lol, this referee is funny Fruitzilla [-\]: but his clock kept silent dM01 [4k\]: thats so stupid >> Shedal [2d\]: kjjds, why do you need to understand him? Nefeste [5k\]: is there anywhere in rules that should be some punishment to someone, who manipulates opponents clock? ) Nefeste [5k\]: if not, its allowed ) Fredegas [3d\]: hm, usually the appeal comitee is set to ensure that referee wont make any error, so it should have upper hand in decision kirisute [-\]: if I got it right, rob expected the clock to say when byou yomi begins, but dinner had turned off the sound while rob was away kagome [11k?\]: were there no dials..i bet the clock was digital Fredegas [3d\]: who is in the reappel comitee? same people? svrcd [?\]: еврого уже второй раз пишет, что будет еще одно рассмотрение аппеляции... от результата аппеляции зависит жеребьевка тура. смысл делать 2 рассмотрения? mmmd [2k?\]: its the stupid talking ing clocks i htink mmmd [2k?\]: so when you expect them to talk and they don't grumpyjoe [-\]: in this tournament, is there a floor person/referee there to take care of controversies and problems? kagome [11k?\]: but they dont display time too ] ;B[nh]C[kyyni [3k\]: what's this utter nonsense about alex being dishonourable NorthWind [5k\]: what next ? clock with flashing lights ? alexanderp [?\]: так Динерштейн с Ильей еще не начали играть и ждут решение аппеляционной комиссии или они играют? eatramen [22k\]: wait alex turned off the clock's sound? Nefeste [5k\]: clock with electroshock Shedal [2d\]: Играют, по идее grumpyjoe [-\]: you've been eating too much ramen UFO [3k\]: maybe hans mmmd [2k?\]: of corse you can look but when you are in byoyomi and normally the clock counts down seconds you spend those seconds looking on the board eatramen [22k\]: someone said it earlier, i just asked KOCMOHABT [-\]: А партия есть где-нибудь? Shedal [2d\]: Если ждать решения — то уж ждать вообще всем, чтобы потом правильно провести жеребьевку Jinghua [8k?\]: whoever said Alex turned the sound off should prove his or her statment, or else be shot. alexanderp [?\]: Если играют, то уже не так важно, кому защитают, разве что на SOS скажется kagome [11k?\]: rumors EuroGoTV1 [-\]: most players put out the sound before the game starts Fredegas [3d\]: Nefeste: to you question before : nobody is allowed to touch clocks except for referee and the situation when you set canadian byoyomi (nto this case) ZothOmmog [4k\]: *sings* 'pour some cooked up ramen!' Nefeste [5k\]: я думаю Зайтс или Динер могут повторить партию без труда ) по запросу общественности svrcd [?\]: как раз это важно, потому что сос зависит от жеребьевки dM01 [4k\]: english please Fredegas [3d\]: and also when players pause clocks when you go to toilet StefanRadu [1k\]: english please.. Shedal [2d\]: Speak in Russian please NorthWind [5k\]: r18 alexanderp [?\]: Every language is welcome here. eatramen [22k\]: what's with all the ramen comments all of a sudden lol Fredegas [3d\]: but Eurogotv1, you cant turn the sound off totally I think, it always speak. Just turn down the volume, no? igoyametai [4d\]: W lost his advantage I thiink grumpyjoe [-\]: go artem seikenguy [-\]: Not everyone speaks english here. dM01 [4k\]: ramen niiice KOCMOHABT [-\]: Zend wining Breakfast all of the time, from 2001 year on KGS Fruitzilla [-\]: oh, what happened to Zend? ] ;W[oe]C[Excalibor [-\]: yes, eureans should learn to speak at least 7 or 8 different european languages fountain [2d?\]: kick breakfast from tournament, i don t like mans withour hounour erikk [-\]: Fredegas, that's what i also thought Excalibor [-\]: it would improve a lot of things :) svrcd [?\]: если победа будет за зайцем, то получается, что илью понизили на 2 ранга, что нонсенс для жеребьевки alexanderp [?\]: What Dinershtein wrote: "Volume on Ing clocks was on the lowest level, and Rob didn't notice how he lost on time". Fruitzilla [-\]: I still remember the infamous Zend vs Muse game... kirisute [-\]: valkea vois loikkia tuolta vasemmalta sisälle :< grumpyjoe [-\]: ramen is go player's power food Excalibor [-\]: caffeine? :) ZothOmmog [4k\]: ramen and whiskey Goliamus [6k\]: if you speak english everybody understand if you speak russian only russian people understand. You choose kyyni [3k\]: joo voisihan se KOCMOHABT [-\]: На Илье это никак не скажется, у него СОС и так запредельный, ему главное победить сегодня ZothOmmog [4k\]: p16 i thinks Fredegas [3d\]: alexanderp: ok, that explains a lot kyyni [3k\]: tai sitten säästää kivat invaasioajit ylälaitaan Warlord [-\]: appeal commitee from players is BS.. they're far too biased Excalibor [-\]: not everybody speaks english ] ;B[pe]C[CBlue [3d?\]: sorry to ask again, but i heard there was trouble with a clock being set to silent in a game - which game was that, please? svrcd [?\]: это понятно) это скажется на динере) Geert [?\]: Zullen we dan ook maar wat nederlands er tegenaan gooien? kirisute [-\]: sinne jos invasioi ni delannee aika pikasesti.. Fruitzilla [-\]: Ja, waarom niet? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hahaha Excalibor [-\]: we should make esperanto the de facto european language and problems gone :) ix7 [7k\]: I think the person who writes Russian already knows that fact, Goliamus erikk [-\]: hoi geert grumpyjoe [-\]: what is riding on the appeal anyways? just pride and honor? Nefeste [5k\]: ну просто Илья мог играть с Зайцем или с Корнелом.. а теперь вот с Александром пришлось ( mof [?\]: hihi geert Geert [?\]: ha die erik EuroGoTV1 [-\]: leuk dat je kijkt mr VIPmember Fredegas [3d\]: like go-esperanto :) Excalibor [-\]: you can copy & paste on google translator ] ;W[of]C[DuckRoll [?\]: was buyypomi 1-time 30 sec ? kyyni [3k\]: esperanto would be fine, but sounds not too beautiful ix7 [7k\]: it's ridiculous to say the language on KGS must be English ] ;B[md]C[alexanderp [?\]: byomi was 1 min DuckRoll [?\]: byoyomi* Excalibor [-\]: there's even a roon in KGS, esperantejo :-) ww [?\]: go-lojban for the win Geert [?\]: natuurlijk kijk ik ix7 [7k\]: KGS is for everyone, I bet. DuckRoll [?\]: but 1-time ? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Geert [?\]: Dit is de enige keer dat ik live kan meekijken....... en het is de finaledag alexanderp [?\]: DuckRoll, I suppose yes kirisute [-\]: olkapäälle lyönti ehkä? ] ;W[ng]C[neHb [1k\]: этот ливтв работает у 20% mmmd [2k?\]: its ridiculous to see a win on time as any different from any other type of win ix7 [7k\]: das sieht schon besser aus ^^ Fruitzilla [-\]: oh, ik vergeet atijd m'n wachtwoord.. ;-( ] ;B[mf]C[kyyni [3k\]: sieltähän se luikertelee ] ;W[qb]C[ekku [-\]: ja sitten veivataan ] ;B[pb] ;W[rb]C[kirisute [-\]: ei vaan pääse kovin pitkälle toi keskustaluikero Geert [?\]: Een beetje gerommel in de marge alexanderp [?\]: ix7, was sieht besser aus? Das Spiel? BALLZ [3k\]: not if you change the settings of the clock without letting opponent know kyyni [3k\]: voikos kukaan muu voittaa turnausta teoreettisesti jos artem häviää? Wisp [18k\]: n14 ? y not b n13 ? svrcd [?\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/languages.html?helpLocale=en_US Syptryn [3d\]: n3 loks large Geert [?\]: White is looking good ww [?\]: joku muu todennäkösesti voittaa Syptryn [3d\]: so does D-14 monkRudy [3k\]: we r in english room so speak english fivegen [3d\]: jos artem häviää, joku muu voittaa ix7 [7k\]: nein, alexanderp - die tatsache, dass die leute in verschiedenen sprachen quatschen. Nefeste [5k\]: b got sente and G16-H11 exchange.. kyyni [3k\]: tosin ihan hyvältä näyttää valkuaisen peli ix7 [7k\]: übrigens - ich bin auch ehemals aus Ru :P eatramen [22k\]: i prefrred when we talked about kang here instead of alex Step [4d\]: d14 LugPaj [2d\]: isch mag w DuckRoll [?\]: why not set like byo like 3 - 5 times it would eliminate a lot of such situations alexanderp [?\]: ix7, ah so:) mmmd [2k?\]: well board two is for kang talk mmmd [2k?\]: :-) fivegen [3d\]: duck, how? kirisute [-\]: ois varmaan pitäny laskea että kuoleeko toi nurkkaryhmä jos valkonen tenukoi :) alexanderp [?\]: Ist Russisch deine Muttersprache? ix7 [7k\]: jo alexanderp [?\]: Ich hab' alles vergessen:( ix7 [7k\]: ^^ ix7 [7k\]: ich habe dich aber russisch tippen sehen NorthWind [5k\]: well Ms Kang is on board 2 eatr, playing with her hair fivegen [3d\]: if the clock is silent for 5 periods, it won't help a bit. grumpyjoe [-\]: i will start working on a universal translator for KGS chat faintvoice [1k\]: n4 kyyni [3k\]: w will gewinnen Excalibor [-\]: we should speak about artem :) grumpyjoe [-\]: go artem CBlue [3d?\]: hm that clock-thingy is pretty odd, i remember in a previous go congress a korean player lost against dinerchtein, because his clock was set to volume zero, too. Excalibor [-\]: is there any biography of his on the net? perry88: 6d perry88: d6 igoyametai [4d\]: Google translate has an API - it should be simple AirForce61 [5d?\]: if Artem wins will he be the youngest to win the EGC? Nefeste [5k\]: d14 ) grumpyjoe [-\]: trick is to identify which language ] ;B[hf]C[kostuek [-\]: h14? st21 [-\]: who ahead? igoyametai [4d\]: you can identify language automatically ix7 [7k\]: doesn't Google identify the language by itself? Fredegas [3d\]: Airforce: how old is Artem anyway? AirForce61 [5d?\]: 17..? Shipper [3k\]: 17 fivegen [3d\]: in sweden diner lost in the same way, and wrote in his commentary that he will always check the clock after this. ckearly he didn't ] ;W[ih]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: and how does that worki NorthWind [5k\]: wow, 6d played a gote move for territory. I'm in shock :D grumpyjoe [-\]: not too great for me erikk [-\]: how can you identify language automatically ? eatramen [22k\]: artem is 54 igoyametai [4d\]: from the Excalibor [-\]: statistical comparison fountain [2d?\]: i have hope that ilia will take his clock to toilet, if he will want to go Geert [?\]: Nice move from Artem EuroGoTV1 [-\]: j12 very strong Geert [?\]: H14 looks too much igoyametai [4d\]: characters and words you use grumpyjoe [-\]: it needs to be very accurate or it would be chaos ZothOmmog [4k\]: ,12 ZothOmmog [4k\]: m12 Excalibor [-\]: human langauges are hard for computers, but huge databases help a lot alexanderp [?\]: Dinershtein: "At this EGC there was already unpleasant episode with the clock - Taranu lost won position to the Korean girl, Kim, because he didn't notice her move and thought that it's her time is running" Excalibor [-\]: using techniques to gues the next character or word ix7 [7k\]: lol, igoyametai - you hate Go, but can't stop playing? :DDD igoyametai [4d\]: dit Taranu appeal? ix7 [7k\]: you must love it. ZothOmmog [4k\]: yep ZothOmmog [4k\]: nope Jax [10k\]: b in trouble ZothOmmog [4k\]: h12 ] ;B[kg]C[ix7 [7k\]: it's like my love to my ex oO NorthWind [5k\]: heh, more controversy than a hairdressers convention Excalibor [-\]: ya, it's the go drug :) igoyametai [4d\]: why are some people appealing and some not? grumpyjoe [-\]: an almost crane nest kirisute [-\]: hairdressers have controversies? kryft [1d\]: ix7, Well, Cho Chikun once said he hates go. Excalibor [-\]: lolç BALLZ [3k\]: that is taranus fault for not paying attention though, he noticed the sound Excalibor [-\]: really? kryft [1d\]: ix7, And we all know he couldn't stop playing. :P fivegen [3d\]: no appeal from taranu, i hear he just completely zoned out in byoyomi Excalibor [-\]: yeah, he's back on the Scene again :) ZothOmmog [4k\]: just cause you're an addict doesn't mean you like the thing your addicted to beefree2: he was joking ix7 [7k\]: lol Excalibor [-\]: Zoth: agreed ZothOmmog [4k\]: g12 igoyametai [4d\]: f17 AirForce61 [5d?\]: so Artem will be the youngest player to win the EGC? kirisute [-\]: j14? CBlue [3d?\]: h13? Hokusai [3k\]: how old is Artem? shusakurva [2d?\]: 17 Shipper [3k\]: don't jinx it, airforce Webanim [1d\]: k13 ? st21 [-\]: artem92 Hokusai [3k\]: cool:) eatramen [22k\]: 17 and married? Nilatarion [3d\]: e7 LugPaj [2d\]: it is not the clocks fault, if you dont notice a move. Its yours. kostuek [-\]: d14 AirForce61 [5d?\]: Im asking... pistachio [8k\]: how many kids does artem have? Jinghua [7k\]: does Artem have kids? Jinghua [7k\]: yes ix7 [7k\]: oO shusakurva [2d?\]: 5 ] ;W[if]C[Argentum [8k\]: the emperor had 12 wives at age 16 Jinghua [7k\]: cool ix7 [7k\]: omfg... 17 and kinds? are you kidding? oO ix7 [7k\]: kids* grumpyjoe [-\]: artem has 5 kids? eatramen [22k\]: artem is pimpin Shedal [1d\]: Dinerchtein first won EGC when he was 19 grumpyjoe [-\]: isn't he 18 eatramen [22k\]: maybe his bday didnt come yet yuuki [7k\]: He started playing go to afford the price of all his kids for sure ix7 [7k\]: depends on when his birthday is Shipper [3k\]: he'll be 18 in December Karnesun [5d\]: Artem is 17! grumpyjoe [-\]: he is like a rabbit Adin [1d\]: j14 looks nice st21 [-\]: lol Karnesun [5d\]: He havn't kids... st21 [-\]: stream ZothOmmog [4k\]: h13 surmezur [6d\]: go super boy EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ yamadaeimi [4d\]: yeah.. LugPaj [2d\]: h13 fails Nhane [2k\]: black's group wickness cost a lot of points ZothOmmog [4k\]: does it? roamer [1k\]: go artem! eatramen [22k\]: when did artem started studying go? Argentum [8k\]: why ppl use yournament games to talk about rabbits and family planning? ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not kirisute [-\]: because wabbits taste good roasted grumpyjoe [-\]: because they are very important issues Nhane [2k\]: There is enaugh time to do so NorthWind [5k\]: lol welcome to the world of kinitz NorthWind [5k\]: kib eatramen [22k\]: rabbits more important than fmaily though beefree2: b shaking his head Fruitzilla [-\]: you mean woasted? ix7 [7k\]: I wanna be there TOOO! ix7 [7k\]: I mean in Finland :/ kirisute [-\]: oops yes :) ZothOmmog [4k\]: lets talk about hossenfeffer instead ix7 [7k\]: my boyfriend is playing on board 25 or something. eatramen [22k\]: rank? ] ;B[hg] ;W[hh]C[ix7 [7k\]: 3d eatramen [22k\]: nice ix7 [7k\]: :/ kostuek [-\]: kids? ix7 [7k\]: I'm here all alone Excalibor [-\]: board 25? nice! ix7 [7k\]: no kids :D Shedal [1d\]: Oh, Ilya won EGC 2007, and he was 17 AirForce61 [5d?\]: I should have been there but I have summer-school (I was operated) ix7 [7k\]: kiebitz is the only think letting me be still alive ^^ ] ;B[ie] ;W[jf]C[catsoldier [6k\]: Video stream off air? kirisute [-\]: you may have some dependency issues :P ix7 [7k\]: oh, that's a pain in the ass to go to school during this time... Excalibor [-\]: :-) Fruitzilla [-\]: hmmm, sounds like you've got some codependency issues... ;-0 NorthWind [5k\]: Ilya is 20 ? man, he llooks 30 Syptryn [3d\]: aweosme move ix7 [7k\]: lol, Fruitzilla :D AirForce61 [5d?\]: all the russian look older xD rayphen [7k\]: b m13 i guess DuckRoll [?\]: bad shape hurts a lot eatramen [22k\]: catsoldier its on for me Fruitzilla [-\]: kirisute beat me to it... ] ;B[je]C[zhou901108 [1d\]: w doing really well catsoldier [6k\]: for me, it's off air igoyametai [4d\]: f17 ZothOmmog [4k\]: h13! grumpyjoe [-\]: that big ugly o9 clump is a pain eatramen [22k\]: in some countires the stream doesnt work AirForce61 [5d?\]: refresh it LugPaj [2d\]: tenuki now Nilatarion [3d\]: e7 ix7 [7k\]: K12 rayphen [7k\]: k 12 RyuuGan [1d\]: d6 grumpyjoe [-\]: it's not cutting anything in danger, but its huge Shedal [1d\]: not tenuki Jinghua [8k\]: Stream doesnt work in Bourkina Fawso, last time I checked ;(......................... luciangela [5k\]: c10 ix7 [7k\]: lol, 7k think the same way zhou901108 [1d\]: c8 ] ;W[np]C[Syptryn [3d\]: H-11 was massive LugPaj [2d\]: Shedal, i win NorthWind [5k\]: W ok. I;m slightly worried he later lose the moyo and end with not enough cash Jinghua [8k\]: O4 pretty big... kvartaali [?\]: yay.. my move :;P Syptryn [3d\]: c7 is proper move CBlue [3d?\]: stream's off air? :| Syptryn [3d\]: but is it good enough? Shedal [1d\]: oh... B still can't cut J13! That's nice Jinghua [8k\]: c7 is so slow... ZothOmmog [4k\]: indeed Medice [-\]: shedal, he cant Fredegas [3d\]: black ind pinpingho [-\]: w have like at least 60 here Fredegas [3d\]: behind Geert [?\]: I don't agree with w O4 Shipper [3k\]: Shedal: He can but he might not want to :p rayphen [7k\]: the stream is frequently interrupted....with about 100 viewers ZothOmmog [4k\]: why not d6? grumpyjoe [-\]: c14 Geert [?\]: Playing from a strong group towards a strong group doesn't look good NorthWind [5k\]: o4 good kyu move :) Goreon [2d\]: d6 ? Nicl22 [3k\]: C14? Daoloth [-\]: d6 might be the worst move ZothOmmog [4k\]: a1 kvartaali [?\]: Geert.. extension is big anyways kirisute [-\]: e7 better locally than d6, but o4 bigger kvartaali [?\]: and this seals center Medice [-\]: reducing the white moyo is most interesting, to me Geert [?\]: Maybe D7 might have been nice nanotech [2k\]: w should keep what he's got - the game pistachio [8k\]: what is worse, a1 or t1? AirForce61 [5d?\]: how much they have? Nicl22 [3k\]: F8 for eraser? alexanderp [?\]: Looks bad for b. B now must somehow reduce w's moyo. Well, obvious... AirForce61 [5d?\]: time* LugPaj [2d\]: w will seal the center during b building b's left mof [?\]: to me it is an ok move ix7 [7k\]: oh, I was wrong, my boyfriend is at table 17, yay :D pinpingho [-\]: o3 is the right direction Fredegas [3d\]: I think o4 is very nice move Fredegas [3d\]: imagine black move pinpingho [-\]: o4* mof [?\]: artem has come a log way in a few years igoyametai [4d\]: O4 might not be enough EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 mof [?\]: style has changed eatramen [22k\]: kyu response would be P5 Daoloth [-\]: w's fuseki wasn't great, though =| kirisute [-\]: maybe just b d6 next Fredegas [3d\]: in the same area and how m8 would start to live later mof [?\]: log... long Geert [?\]: I agree that O4 might not be enough alexanderp [?\]: b needs now really big move Nicl22 [3k\]: EuroGoTV Is it still true that I need to make an account to view the stream? pinpingho [-\]: if course it's enough , w have 60+there Geert [?\]: White has one big territory and black has two nice corners and one big terr StefanRadu [1k\]: o2 p2 big yose now. to not be ignored. Fruitzilla [-\]: hmmm disagreement about who is behind EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Nicl22 ZothOmmog [4k\]: c14 i think FFH [3k\]: why my eurogotv says it's off air when i try to watch? grumpyjoe [-\]: don't choke artem ix7 [7k\]: why isn't table 3 being translated? kostuek [-\]: my kyu soul is for n3 kirisute [-\]: c14 is pretty big, but.. white center :( UFO [3k\]: how old is jung? RayFrost [4k\]: My kyu self is for g7 RayFrost [4k\]: heck yeah Jinghua [8k\]: n3 is bad AirForce61 [5d?\]: Euro how much time they have left? LugPaj [2d\]: FFH, because i am on air ZothOmmog [4k\]: d9 then NorthWind [5k\]: kostuek :) kostuek [-\]: ^^ EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there are some world wide routing problems, the stream leaves this building correctly and is recieved by the server n the US they retransmit correctly EuroGoTV1 [-\]: after that.... Jinghua [8k\]: it works fine on the Ivory Coast jezork [4d\]: working here in japan igoyametai [4d\]: UK fine too grumpyjoe [-\]: d6 Nicl22 [3k\]: Would you guys start waving the copyright flag if I restream this? rayphen [7k\]: also working in turkey kvartaali [?\]: not working here.. in finland :) NorthWind [5k\]: ok here in UK but freezes a bit EuroGoTV1 [-\]: please restream LugPaj [2d\]: woking in nepal ww [?\]: not working in Finland here either ] ;B[dm]C[GregHouse [2d\]: work in turkmenistan ] ;W[em]C[kvartaali [?\]: :D Jinghua [8k\]: good move erikk [-\]: Nepal,really? BALLZ [3k\]: not working in sweden ] ;B[el]C[BALLZ [3k\]: -.- Nicl22 [3k\]: Alright, somebody make me an account, I am too lazy. ] ;W[fm]C[FFH [3k\]: me too not working in finland :( kavias [3k\]: not working in romania Koukkaaja [3d\]: Finland so far away even from Finland pinpingho [-\]: b's only hope is on attacking d16 kostuek [-\]: use a proxy GregHouse [2d\]: use proxymarket ix7 [7k\]: lol, Koukkaaja kirisute [-\]: then c14? Goreon [2d\]: d14 ? Hangovers [3k\]: how do u use a proxy? ix7 [7k\]: what is a proxy? ^^;;; kostuek [-\]: first find a free on with google rayphen [7k\]: what is proxymarket greg? igoyametai [4d\]: W has around 45 points on the lower side Tristero [2d\]: hm, b ahead I think gfdhff [4k\]: someone knows about Iliya and Alex game ? Medice [-\]: igoya, dont you mean 60 Syptryn [3d\]: white moyo isn't actually that big Syptryn [3d\]: if he defends i single mindedly Tristero [2d\]: right Koukkaaja [3d\]: left i think grumpyjoe [-\]: it's 70 points Daoloth [-\]: w needs to do something with that lone hoshi Shipper [3k\]: Don't lie dan players, you know you want one of those moyos kvartaali [?\]: I think it's secure grumpyjoe [-\]: but artem is building up for c14 soon Syptryn [3d\]: blacks left side will be significnat this way Nefeste [5k\]: when i was 20k i wonder if there possible to live inside such frameworks ))) grumpyjoe [-\]: maybe even things up pinpingho [-\]: it's obviously bigger than 45 eatramen [22k\]: look at the 2nd link eatramen [22k\]: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+a+proxy erikk [-\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy LugPaj [2d\]: i like b c17 now Syptryn [3d\]: c14 Tristero [2d\]: b will play c14 first ix7 [7k\]: ^^;;; pinpingho [-\]: because if you just count from H to M it's at least 45 AirForce61 [5d?\]: c14 must ix7 [7k\]: thanks Fruitzilla [-\]: Sometimes they move so little I think the stream has frozen... igoyametai [4d\]: 45 minimum 50 max if B plays o2 p5 f8 e1 etc eatramen [22k\]: http://www.ehow.com/how_2269615_use-a-proxy.html NorthWind [5k\]: it's easy to focus too much on a moyo. W need to grab some area top left soon Stefany93 [14k\]: Go Artem! kvartaali [?\]: don't think you could have grapped this many points on left with this few moves zzyugizz [19k\]: woh ] ;B[cf]C[AirForce61 [5d?\]: c17 ? Nefeste [5k\]: b16 ] ;W[fc]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: f17 ? RyuuGan [1d\]: late XD NorthWind [5k\]: I didn't say don't create the moyo. I mean don't keep it as your on;y source of points Medice [-\]: if it's big enough, it's ok kirisute [-\]: it pretty much is w's only source of points here igoyametai [4d\]: W ahead IMO ] ;B[cc]C[kirisute [-\]: the other w areas are so small jezork [4d\]: seems close to me Shipper [3k\]: seeing as how W bought this moyo for low territory on the right and a dango in the center, I'd say it's a good trade off Nicl22 [3k\]: Eurogotv any chance of giving me a direct stream instead of an swf? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no kvartaali [?\]: white still has h11 facing towards left ] ;W[cd]C[Medice [-\]: white is quite probably a little better ] ;B[dc]C[igoyametai [4d\]: d17 eatramen [22k\]: just make an acc nicl22 its fast Medice [-\]: thought i cant say until this is played out seikenguy [-\]: b getting another corner NorthWind [5k\]: yeah W d8 when finished up there seikenguy [-\]: 3 corners + top.. Nefeste [5k\]: bad for b Medice [-\]: since this might inevitably result in weak white group igoyametai [4d\]: e16 AirForce61 [5d?\]: bad for w not for b Daoloth [-\]: w will get busy reducing those sides surmezur [6d\]: c16 too much Medice [-\]: yeah GoShinobi [-\]: is lthere a livestream today ? GoShinobi [-\]: not working for me Nefeste [5k\]: pretty hard to attack c14 its only w's problem.. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Fredrik Blomback EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Nefeste [5k\]: thats why f17 mb mistake Nefeste [5k\]: black sais "u think i will answer to F17 and you play b16 than? huh-huh" ] ;W[bc]C[FFH [3k\]: can someone give me link to picture of black/kim? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it on EuroGoTV EuroGoTV1 [-\]: photo menu AirForce61 [5d?\]: Artem looks very nervous Syptryn [3d\]: interesting fight Jinghua [8k\]: what do you expect, this is for the tournament win... Shipper [3k\]: it's only his championship determining game, Airforce igoyametai [4d\]: W got in an unexpected fight grumpyjoe [-\]: don't choke artem FFH [3k\]: how can know which picture is kim? denis [1k\]: he can lose the title Xebo [4d\]: blacks position is not bad catsoldier [6k\]: No video. I tried 2 proxies, that didn't work either : ( Syptryn [3d\]: e17 e16 f18 g17 f16 Syptryn [3d\]: fight alexanderp [?\]: EuroGoTV, can you say us what's happening in the Dinershtein-Shikshin game? igoyametai [4d\]: probably safe play was d17 then slide at h18 Nefeste [5k\]: catsoldier - call sysadmin ) ix7 [7k\]: w should just reduce on the left side and close his own moyo against reductions Hoshiman [2d\]: hane at the ass of two stones Shinobi [-\]: livestream offair? Medice [-\]: syph, that would be bad for black, imo ix7 [7k\]: (my humble kyu opinion ;)) dM01 [4k\]: just :p? ix7 [7k\]: ^^ Medice [-\]: better to b18 first then e17 st21 [-\]: go artem! Geert [?\]: I blame O4 for the shit white is in right now Medice [-\]: mind the language, geert igoyametai [4d\]: b18 b16 e17 e16 f18 f16 g17 c12 Geert [?\]: It should have been on D7 or E7 or C13 Jinghua [8k\]: he needed o4 to protect the moyo LugPaj [2d\]: any1 good: who wins? ] ;B[bb]C[ix7 [7k\]: lol Geert [?\]: I prefer b right now mikan [2d?\]: W ] ;W[bd]C[AirForce61 [5d?\]: f18 ... Jinghua [8k\]: is there a MF analysis available? ix7 [7k\]: B e14 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: update on names on http://EuroGoPro.org/opening.html ix7 [7k\]: kill white^^ Nefeste [5k\]: c12 d14 ) Shipper [3k\]: W most likely alive AirForce61 [5d?\]: need to live before killing roamer [1k\]: CAN BLACK CUT_ roamer [1k\]: sorry >( erikk [-\]: Alexander Eerbeek?? igoyametai [4d\]: no cut eatramen [22k\]: lol EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^ ZothOmmog [4k\]: white alive ZothOmmog [4k\]: d18 mayybe? roamer [1k\]: but what if b cuts? :) ] ;B[fb]C[alexanderp [?\]: f18 would be logical alexanderp [?\]: oh Jinghua [8k\]: hehehehe ] ;W[fd]C[Shedal [1d\]: wrong timimng, alexander :) AirForce61 [5d?\]: g18 Jinghua [8k\]: G18 grumpyjoe [-\]: i don't know if b did a good job here igoyametai [4d\]: e17 Medice [-\]: b did fine, in my opinion roamer [1k\]: looks w damaged left and top... Syptryn [3d\]: how is F-18 bette than E-17? Shipper [3k\]: B got corner, I hope that's why he played 3-3 eatramen [22k\]: neither do i grumpyjoe, neither do i, kyu power! ZothOmmog [4k\]: g18 makes more sense than e17 NorthWind [5k\]: if W can eat c14 somehow, he ll be good Medice [-\]: e17 e16 g17 and then white needs to live in gote AirForce61 [5d?\]: aji Medice [-\]: black has stolen a corner igoyametai [4d\]: f18 is classy Syptryn [3d\]: I agree to that Syptryn [3d\]: bter now what? :P grumpyjoe [-\]: go artem AirForce61 [5d?\]: g18 I think is best now Syptryn [3d\]: if black e17 now, it returns to original varation, but gives whtie the option of sacrficin 4 stones to enter top ] ;B[ec]C[Syptryn [3d\]: so now white can play G-18 is he wants too ] ;W[ed]C[deft [3d\]: that's not really an option, though Goreon [2d\]: e13 Syptryn [3d\]: or it returns to what happens if black played R-17 first :P ix7 [7k\]: e16? oO surmezur [6d\]: white sabaki style Syptryn [3d\]: so classy didn't do anything hirakawade [2d?\]: Black goes well ? scurge [5d\]: is this really a possibility for white? ] ;B[gc]C[ZothOmmog [4k\]: sure ] ;W[ge]C[Syptryn [3d\]: is that really sente? nasnad [2d\]: yes ZothOmmog [4k\]: yes! alexanderp [?\]: B has chance now to win. Syptryn [3d\]: e14 ? gregorius: mistake surmezur [6d\]: white play a bit quick Medice [-\]: e14 would be bad nasnad [2d\]: well, big :) BALLZ [3k\]: 12 new pros in europe every year? feels way too much? igoyametai [4d\]: W c12 or c13 ? Nicl22 [3k\]: ustream uses RTMP and IRC, I can restream both of those, but I can't figure out how to get the direct rtmp link from the 13000+ lines of source code in the ustream swf, so I give up. Sorry Eurogotv gregorius: G15 mistake! nasnad [2d\]: maybe not sente if b doesnt want upper side EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx anyway!!! alexanderp [?\]: thanks for effort, Nic kostuek [-\]: europe is big eatramen [22k\]: i agree that does sound like a lot BALLZ, where did you read that Hoshiman [2d\]: how many time left ? BALLZ [3k\]: http://EuroGoPro.org/opening.html EuroGoTV1 [-\]: will not be more then 12 Syptryn [3d\]: e14 g18 e18 h16 h17 j17 h18 j18 g19 h15 f13 f15 white looks int rouble LugPaj [2d\]: BALLZ, not new one. Syptryn [3d\]: sure takes balls deft [3d\]: 12 pros in europe in total ix7 [7k\]: maybe they are all Koeans? ^^ razvy [12k\]: stream work now in Romania! Thank you! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only european passport holders dncrash: @razvy not for me deft [3d\]: I guess they're going to have game fees for the league? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i did nothing ] ;B[he] ;W[dg]C[kirisute [-\]: what counts as an european passport :) igoyametai [4d\]: cutting at h15 in sente is not an option Syptryn [3d\]: what about New Zealand passport? :S Syptryn [3d\]: sure we count, woo roamer [1k\]: eurogotv how is time please? LugPaj [2d\]: kiri, israel. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: turkey and israel are considered European BALLZ [3k\]: deft, so they only last a year? igoyametai [4d\]: c12 BALLZ [3k\]: i dont get it kryft [1d\]: razvy, The problem was never at EuroGoTV's end, so he couldn't and didn't do anything to fix it. razvy [12k\]: @dncrash started 2 mins ago Syptryn [3d\]: so does that mean EGF hands out pro ranks? ] ;B[ch]C[BALLZ [3k\]: The European Professional Go Organisation will run a European Professional Go League, a year long competion that provides professional status for 12 top european players every year. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: after 1 year top 6 stay pro razvy [12k\]: yes i understood that wasn't eurogotv problem Koukkaaja [3d\]: that sentence should be explained a bit LugPaj [2d\]: b seems winning to me now alexanderp [?\]: and what this professional status gives? ZothOmmog [4k\]: how the heck is isreal european? Zairex [1k\]: will they pay them also? razvy [12k\]: maybe some routes in romania ZothOmmog [4k\]: its in the mideast EuroGoTV1 [-\]: other 6 have to fight with top 18 amas for open 6 places TPEHEP [2d\]: B ahead ix7 [7k\]: European is for go everything that's not Asian :D albundy [2k\]: If Turkey and Israel are considered European, why not take rest of Middle East instead of sticking it to Asia? scurge [5d\]: I tought white's position is bad, but I counted its still very open Syptryn [3d\]: so the 6 that stay... is that permanent? cause peopel can't make go a career if 5 years down the track they get fired TPEHEP [2d\]: yose is favourite for B Nefeste [5k\]: gg now Dinerschtein will lose to Ilia and roln is a new champion right? kirisute [-\]: is russia european or asian? :) ZothOmmog [4k\]: both Nefeste [5k\]: eurasian EuroGoTV1 [-\]: european ZothOmmog [4k\]: asian ix7 [7k\]: ^^ ix7 [7k\]: European N4KED [1d\]: europe is very contreversial Koukkaaja [3d\]: it's greater finland ZothOmmog [4k\]: for east of the caucus hgh01 [16k\]: hi does anybody know why breakfast play board 3 when he lost yesterday against Rob? ZothOmmog [4k\]: european for west LugPaj [2d\]: kazachstan european? Geert [?\]: Its very close game right now ix7 [7k\]: Russians are whities and don't have much of an Asian mentality Koffein [-\]: dinerchtein won svrcd [?\]: russia is member of EGF ) Nefeste [5k\]: kazakhstan definetly asia ZothOmmog [4k\]: kazachstan asian zc3k [1k\]: C13 insert@ deft [3d\]: he won the game, hgh ix7 [7k\]: Kazakhstan is Asian Geert [?\]: B came back in the game roamer [1k\]: time? Syptryn [3d\]: but the russians who play go have asian mentality N4KED [1d\]: YES GOOD going Dinerstien! eatramen [22k\]: russian is slavic kirisute [-\]: ix7: oh, so it's not just a matter of geography :P Geert [?\]: but w still has good chance of winning LugPaj [2d\]: some area of kazachstan is considered european in some deiniftions deft [3d\]: he won by time eatramen [22k\]: and i thought once you turned pro you kept it forever, or is that only in asia? N4KED [1d\]: oh yesterday? albundy [2k\]: Asia gets stuck with the poor countries igoyametai [4d\]: I think W c13 was better N4KED [1d\]: How is he doing today though? ix7 [7k\]: Korea isn't poor ix7 [7k\]: Japan isn't either ^^ mmmd [2k?\]: south - ... ix7 [7k\]: sorry, South ix7 [7k\]: * Nicl22 [3k\]: I believe you can lose your pro license if you don't follow the rules (like playing x amount of games per year) Koffein [-\]: eurogo: how big are the chances someone from vladivostok will become european professional? albundy [2k\]: In terms of the countries that are in the "grey albundy [2k\]: area hgh01 [16k\]: so the results-page is wrong? deft [3d\]: I don't like it much, but there is actually precedent for this situation of the Ing clock not reading byo-yomi, because the clock announced "White/Black time counting begins" at the start of the game, and all players know this so if you don't hear it you should know the sound is off alexanderp [?\]: Can please somebody tell what's going on in Dinershtein-Shikshin game? eatramen [22k\]: and Signapore definitely isnt poor Syptryn [3d\]: and greence is bankrupt :P Syptryn [3d\]: and so is Iceland erikk [-\]: and china is getting richer every day Syptryn [3d\]: hey're European ;P N4KED [1d\]: artem stilll hasnt resigned yet :-) Shipper [3k\]: no reason to kirisute [-\]: why would he resign :D jjdf: cause he is behind Jinghua [8k\]: Poor Iceland....... N4KED [1d\]: white only 1 territory = really bad deft [3d\]: W is losing this ] ;W[cg]C[Shipper [3k\]: that one territory competes with everything B has Jinghua [8k\]: SE has B +0.5! ] ;B[bg]C[deft [3d\]: yeah, but it makes all B moves sente ] ;W[bf]C[Gizensha [?\]: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Europe_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg deft [3d\]: because W can only defend his one territory, he has no other place to expand jjdf: yose wille be mercyless for w Nicl22 [3k\]: Naked, can I become a member if I adopt my children ? grumpyjoe [-\]: go artem!!! deft [3d\]: ... also, W is in some trouble here grumpyjoe [-\]: yeah Jinghua [8k\]: Big moyo is bad for two reasons. 1. It is too small. 2. It can be reduced. ] ;B[nr]C[kirisute [-\]: looks pretty close to me grumpyjoe [-\]: he gave up corner and got nothing kirisute [-\]: maybe even w ahead a bit N4KED [1d\]: no child trafficking is not cool Syptryn [3d\]: black ahead IMO Shipper [3k\]: Big moyo is bad because it's too small? wut? Jinghua [8k\]: I think w lost this one igoyametai [4d\]: c10 Jinghua [8k\]: its too small, even though it seems big mFz [3k\]: huge eatramen [22k\]: what is aretm's nationality catsoldier [6k\]: Can someone restream this? grumpyjoe [-\]: he needs to calm down and get clever Nicl22 [3k\]: catsoldier: sure, if you get me a direct link to the stream. N4KED [1d\]: thats a great idea Jinghua [8k\]: not much clever left in this game BALLZ [3k\]: b certainly looks ahead without even counting... N4KED [1d\]: mirror the stream deft [3d\]: not many ways to get clever here since B is very solid everywhere N4KED [1d\]: on another site Nicl22 [3k\]: I'll do it as soon as somebody gets me a direct link gdghgjd [2d\]: probably f17 could have been a better move. after c17 white couldn't get a good result kirisute [-\]: there may be some aji on left side Morla [5d\]: n12 lost the game hm? :) huffle [1d\]: d8 not so solid kirisute [-\]: with d8 cut and c12-d7 gap scurge [5d\]: b12 alexanderp [?\]: Artyom is a citizen of the Ukraine. ] ;W[ci]C[scurge [5d\]: or ;) kolben [2d?\]: w win deft [3d\]: that's also a problem for W in the endgame, B's positions are almost completely free of aji, while W has a lot of small problems Imvatim [?\]: why b tenuki to play o2? deft [3d\]: so B will just take everything in sente catsoldier [6k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1 zzyugizz [19k\]: ? Syptryn [3d\]: o2 huge catsoldier [6k\]: is that enough? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Shedal [1d\]: alexander, he's Artem Imvatim [?\]: b saying that he has enough to win and just need to reduce white territory? Nicl22 [3k\]: catsoldier: I need the direct rtmp:// link for the stream alexanderp [?\]: Shedal, well, it's pronounced as Artyom, right? Syptryn [3d\]: yes Shedal [1d\]: no Nicl22 [3k\]: since you're on windows you might have better luck than me figuring it out Shedal [1d\]: it's Artem alexanderp [?\]: Он что, Артэм? Или Артём? strong10k [-\]: who is winning? Goreon [2d\]: seems still close MaxMakinen [2k\]: any news on shikshin vs dinerstein? Shedal [1d\]: Артем, читается Артэм, да vingol [1d\]: w just thinks this is bigger then defending sameasyou [2d\]: any news on Cornel vs Mero? LugPaj [2d\]: w needs to be active Imvatim [?\]: seems bigger LugPaj [2d\]: otherwise w looses alkar: w + 4,5 Ryofu [6k\]: Оба варианта верны по транскрипции. alexanderp [?\]: Ааа, я не знал. Значит, у него какой-то украинский вариант имени. В википедии есть АртЕмий и Артём, Артэма нет ] ;B[mq]C[dagge [1k\]: any news about van zeists appeal? or have all the other matches started? Syptryn [3d\]: depends about 15 pts Shedal [1d\]: Ну это как Дмитрий и Дмитро igoyametai [4d\]: n4 sameasyou [2d\]: Diner is the winner Syptryn [3d\]: tenuki deft [3d\]: Zeijst lost on time ] ;W[mp]C[Syptryn [3d\]: c9 alexanderp [?\]: Т.е вы его зовете Артэм, не Артём? ] ;B[lq] ;W[lp] ;B[kr] ;W[jq]C[MaxMakinen [2k\]: sameasyou, dinerstein won against ilia this round?Å dagge [1k\]: ok - thanks Syptryn [3d\]: sad deft [3d\]: it's sad, but in fact it is the right decision Shedal [1d\]: Не, ну если говорим по-русски, то наверное все же Артём. А по-украински Артем, конечно Syptryn [3d\]: what's terriroty so small now sameasyou [2d\]: no...Diner is the winner in the van Zeijst dispute grumpyjoe [-\]: you really have to admire how b handled this moyo MaxMakinen [2k\]: ah, yes.. sameasyou [2d\]: I am very interested in Shikshin-Dinerstein game MaxMakinen [2k\]: zeijst didnt hear the ing clock counting, or? strong10k [-\]: c9 sameasyou [2d\]: also Cornel-Mero DaiMaou [1k\]: hmmb looks ahead alexanderp [?\]: Ну, я русскую версию взял, конечно, про украинскую даже не знал. N4KED [1d\]: actually the box is big enough but the problem is that only 1 box Shipper [3k\]: I think the clamp was worth it Syptryn [3d\]: d8 Syptryn [3d\]: white has to fight now deft [3d\]: the Ing clock was silent, but you should have noticed at the start of the game Syptryn [3d\]: or wait, its black move Syptryn [3d\]: lol Sandbagger [?\]: *current winner, the appeal is being appealed? deft [3d\]: because the clock always announces the start of the game Syptryn [3d\]: c9 ix7 [7k\]: poor w :/ deft [3d\]: this thing has happened before and the ruling has always been the same ix7 [7k\]: left with nothing mmmd [2k?\]: well he had played in byoyomi for a while already EuroGoTV1 [-\]: zeijst was not there at the start of the game to hear the clock BALLZ [3k\]: not if you set it silent without letting opponent know? alexanderp [?\]: А кто тренер у Артема? deft [3d\]: that's his problem MaxMakinen [2k\]: eurogotv and being late 30 minutes for the clock to get started is somehow not his fault? :D Lakotnik [2k?\]: What does наверное means? N4KED [1d\]: Diner cheated? kirisute [-\]: um, don't they say that you are not allowed to touch the clock, only the referee? mmmd [2k?\]: dinerstein won on time ... adiida [3k\]: dinersteyn did not deserve to win Lakotnik [2k?\]: *mean alexanderp [?\]: "certainly", "surely" Senki [1d\]: are they in byo yomi? Lakotnik [2k?\]: tnx A kirisute [-\]: if so, then if the clock settings are wrong, the referee is at fault, or someone who touched the clock, no? ix7 [7k\]: it means "probably" ix7 [7k\]: oh... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: kirisute, we don't know Shedal [1d\]: Не знаю честно говоря, кто тренер и есть ли он ix7 [7k\]: well... a little bit stronger than "probably" adiida [3k\]: in this case , the comission should have judged with their harts not with their heads deft [3d\]: no grumpyjoe [-\]: what exactly is riding on the outcome of this appeal anyways? Syptryn [3d\]: game still close Senki [1d\]: EuroGoTV1 how much time left do they have? Syptryn [3d\]: but I tink black is in the lead due to more punishing yose alexanderp [?\]: Если он такими темпами растёт, занимаясь самостоятельно, то это удивительное чудо:) deft [3d\]: that would be problematic for 2 reasons, 1. there is precedent in this case and 2. you would get a flood of people complaining to the referee when they lost of time for all kinds of reasons grumpyjoe [-\]: white needs c8 alexanderp [?\]: imho, b now thinks about saving left side Alternate [?\]: b is leading though isnt he erikk [-\]: its also strange that the referee let the game continue EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black, 38 mins remaining deft [3d\]: the fact is, if your time runs out you lose, it doesn't matter if you are ahead or behind on the board EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white 1 hour 25 mins Nicl22 [3k\]: Even counting generally for white, I feel black is leading. adiida [3k\]: but this game was over , clear win for ze... Senki [1d\]: thanks Nicl22 [3k\]: Even counting generously for white* N4KED [1d\]: IF Diner had valor then he would say Rob won ] ;B[rh]C[kirisute [-\]: then the rule that you are not allowed to touch the clock should be removed, or everyone will learn from this and ask the referee to check their clock personally before they start playing ;) mikan [2d?\]: Has nothing to do with valor dmf [14k\]: who's winning? grumpyjoe [-\]: is there prize money riding on the outcome? Shipper [3k\]: good yose move MaxMakinen [2k\]: go has nothing to do with valor when its a question of prize money and the european championships DuckRoll [?\]: W wanted to play there so badly MaxMakinen [2k\]: its a sport, and if you loose on time you loose on time, even if you were winning before that mikan [2d?\]: Playing by the rules is perfectly fair iancho [1d\]: Well known that these clocks are not good. Exactly the same thing happened to me 10 years ago. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: diner lost on time with a silent clock at a previous egc adiida [3k\]: yeah , but to win the european championship like this ? Imvatim [?\]: oooo wow MaxMakinen [2k\]: adiida he can't win it i think MaxMakinen [2k\]: but he won that game which puts him closer to the top adiida [3k\]: i know he can't MaxMakinen [2k\]: and its not his faults, its robs for loosing on time roamer [1k\]: who wins tournament if artem lost this? Jinghua [8k\]: he is not going to win the championship, and all he is doing is following the rules Xebo [4d\]: he can help shiksin now roamer [1k\]: is ilya winning? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is possible that someone turned the volumn down during the game ] ;W[rf]C[DaiMaou [1k\]: ...please stop crying over spilt milk now ... N4KED [1d\]: So what Diner throws game to Ilya to help him win the tournament adidas [3k\]: is there any list for tourament alexanderp [?\]: IF Shikshin wins Dinershtein and IF Artem loses this game...than maybe Ilya wins the championship because of good SOS. AirForce61 [5d?\]: c10 ? Onibaku [5k?\]: C9 Warlord [-\]: if dinershtein did it on purpose, he should be deranked roamer [1k\]: thx alexanderp [?\]: b in sente last ~15 moves sagesse [-\]: how is Ilya doing? Syptryn [3d\]: ANf if they both lose, and Kang wins, then she wins EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 ] ;B[ck]C[MaxMakinen [2k\]: warlord how exactly do you make your opponent loose on time on purpose? he knew he was in byoyumi.. he should feel 60 seconds is running out and look at the clock even if volume is down Onibaku [5k?\]: ) kirisute [-\]: b10? Hangovers [3k\]: it should not be allaut to chance the clocksettings without telling your opponent BALLZ [3k\]: he didnt know he was in byo-yomi? -.- ] ;W[kf]C[sagesse [-\]: Eurogo< is Ilya still playing? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes ronsu [3k\]: a loss by time is a loss, and it's ridiculous to start blaming clocks for that Alternate [?\]: so c9 was only a 5k move ? ;-) EuroGoTV1 [-\]: dinerchtein did not change the timesettings during the game BALLZ [3k\]: not if the clock settings were wrong from the start Warlord [-\]: MaxMakinen he should consult turning down the volume, or at least tell his opponent, not do it covertly MaxMakinen [2k\]: warlord noone has said that he did that... Warlord [-\]: ya i said IF he did that ronsu [3k\]: ballz, the clock settings were just fine, no one claimed that the clock should speak Nefeste [5k\]: many obs here want to translate ILia's game.. but there are rules, according to this rules always 1 and 2 boards translated.. ) Goreon [2d\]: If you are 7d you should know how a clock is working BALLZ [3k\]: certainly there is a rule MaxMakinen [2k\]: i seriously doubt he did something like that on purpose... Senki [1d\]: why Artem plays so fast? BALLZ [3k\]: how the clock should be set BALLZ [3k\]: when the game begins jjaks [13k?\]: It's your own fault if you lose on time.. The referee can't be a babysitter for grown people ronsu [3k\]: the clock's job is to *measure* time, not to make sure the players keep track of it kvartaali [?\]: well can you hear the clock speaking here? roamer [1k\]: can you change of subject please? gettin annoying... BALLZ [3k\]: any change to it should be let known to both players ] ;B[lg] ;W[jh]C[Goreon [2d\]: f8 Goreon [2d\]: then b11 grumpyjoe [-\]: this is getting you nowhere, artem Shipper [3k\]: still sente for white Warlord [-\]: if they're set one way, you cant just tamper with them.. anyways referee ruled in favor of zeijst EuroGoTV1 [-\]: updated names list on http://EuroGoPro.org/opening.html GoShinobi [-\]: m15 Webanim [1d\]: f8 ] ;B[bi] ;W[dh] ;B[bh] ;W[ld]C[jezork [4d\]: alright fredda! Luna86 [9k\]: EuroGoTV: any reason why antti was ranked 5d in there?` Zairex [1k\]: cool AirForce61 [5d?\]: l16 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ah, my mistake; w8 Alternate [?\]: ther we go Shipper [3k\]: good move Hangovers [3k\]: i smell tesuji EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh that link Xebo [4d\]: maybe w can cut q16 off Syptryn [3d\]: L16 and Q=16 can be captured by whtie at his liesure Xrillo [1d\]: nothing like the smell of tesuji in the morning Zitrone [1k\]: l16 looks dangerous, because of g18 aji Jinghua [7k\]: maybe antti really is 5d? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, he is 6d EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i changed it ix7 [7k\]: how does tesuji smell? Jinghua [7k\]: *_^ ix7 [7k\]: more like koffee or like milk? Alternate [?\]: onions Lompolo [2k\]: http://eurogopro.org/opening.html --> Great news! AirForce61 [5d?\]: lol Hangovers [3k\]: nice :) Shedal [1d\]: there's still some aji left at H16 MilanMilan [9d\]: Artem will win the title.? Luna86 [9k\]: Thanks eurogotv. And thanks for letting me record antti vs. ilya game at starting day Jinghua [7k\]: gosh, I got 7k ix7 [7k\]: onions oO omfg, I hate onions kirisute [-\]: w has liberties at g13 & g14 though.. but on the other hand, filling those would make some points too kirisute [-\]: *b roamer [1k\]: this is great news :) didnt heard of that alexanderp [?\]: Milan, yes, if he wins this game. kostuek [-\]: if he wins this Alternate [?\]: what do you think milan? how is w doing? alexanderp [?\]: will he win, Milan?:) MilanMilan [9d\]: w leading ix7 [7k\]: oh, MIlan, Milan, Milan! hi roamer [1k\]: but it still sounds strange, how can euro pro make a living of it? Alternate [?\]: really ???? DuckRoll [?\]: w will cut of some with p16 ? LugPaj [2d\]: i see b leading fetti [-\]: go Artem go lydia10 [1k\]: m16very nice VicSim [?\]: good news! roamer [1k\]: are there tournaments they can get money from_ MaxMakinen [2k\]: roamer, many in europea already do by teaching etc Shedal [1d\]: if a pro has a sponsor... of course he can make living of it :) LugPaj [2d\]: milan, can you explaing ;)? itepilah [1d\]: go artem win this AirForce61 [5d?\]: Milan l16 next? luciangela [5k\]: next competition...IASI GO CUP luciangela [5k\]: ARtem comming... eatramen [22k\]: milan why werent yo at EGC EuroGoTV1 [-\]: link luciangela dncrash: cool, when is it ? eatramen [22k\]: *you Shipper [3k\]: M16 is a bloody move vannab [3k\]: MM didn't say by how much though.. 0.5? luciangela [5k\]: http://www.clubuldegoiasi.ro Alternate [?\]: m16 was so obvious strange b ignored it EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx luciangela [5k\]: thx, too ] ;B[lc] ;W[kd]C[roamer [1k\]: thx for the news anyway kryft [1d\]: Erm, what's strange about M16? Seems perfectly natural Jinghua [7k\]: this is a pain for b.... lydia10 [1k\]: MM is kid's favourite Feanor [1k\]: its strange that b ignored it Nefeste [5k\]: favourite w's shape 2nd time here roamer [1k\]: but why isnt artem in the list above? Alternate [?\]: l14 was sente i mean EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will be ther liciangela!!!! EuroGoTV1 [-\]: there kryft [1d\]: Ah, in that sense EuroGoTV1 [-\]: looks really nice Shipper [3k\]: the dango's bad luck strieks again kuruhuru9 [6k\]: Артем выигрывает Европу! ?? igoyametai [4d\]: European pro GO organization - this is great news Shedal [1d\]: Yes, EuroGoTV, why isn't Artem in the list? Feanor [1k\]: yea, the statement lacked a comma :) svrcd [?\]: пока еще нет) kuruhuru9 [6k\]: сегодня последний тур? Shipper [3k\]: so much aji here it's not even funny DERM [1d?\]: да DuckRoll [?\]: W crawling in he B moyo for the second time svrcd [?\]: да. если выиграет эту партию, то выиграет турнир kuruhuru9 [6k\]: а почему нет тогда? grumpyjoe [-\]: tear it up, artem luciangela [5k\]: harry, time is nice in Romania...you are welcome everytime Dgom69 [2k?\]: INstead of M17, was not L15 enough to block?? zc3k [1k\]: M16 beautiful ever before alexanderp [?\]: Milan говорит, что белые впереди. EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refrwswh the link EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh svrcd [?\]: потому что тут всё ещё возможно) uguryldz [-\]: aiming g18? Alternate [?\]: b has much more to lose upper side than w left side so not answering l14 is strange grumpyjoe [-\]: then get f8 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: artem is on it kuruhuru9 [6k\]: Артем же белый eatramen [22k\]: i think europe realized it would be way too hard to get pro certification in asia now so this is the next best thing kuruhuru9 [6k\]: не поймите намек на негров ))) svrcd [?\]: впереди - не значит выиграл Nefeste [5k\]: на желтых еще скажи kuruhuru9 [6k\]: не не не MilanMilan [9d\]: very strange aji here Feanor [1k\]: huh, artem leads in the main tournament? roamer [1k\]: who are the guys behind them in the video? :) Xebo [4d\]: difficult for black Feanor [1k\]: well done Xebo [4d\]: what is blacks time left? kuruhuru9 [6k\]: Артем молодец, болею за него ix7 [7k\]: kill blaaaack Feanor [1k\]: yup, molodec svrcd [?\]: а я еще и за илью) за обоих болеть сложно) ix7 [7k\]: (i don't mean "kill" like in life and death though) Nefeste [5k\]: in real life u mean Shedal [1d\]: of course, the real life EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 ix7 [7k\]: no ix7 [7k\]: I mean not like "Kill the black stones" luciangela [5k\]: ali vs pop ? Feanor [1k\]: kinda surprising he managed to win against shikshin luciangela [5k\]: illia vs diner... ? ix7 [7k\]: but destroy the opponent luciangela [5k\]: cornel vs csaba ? luciangela [5k\]: result ? geghard [?\]: live broadcast doesnt work EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no results yet luciangela [5k\]: thx Vovka27 [3k\]: b doomed ^^ Jinghua [7k\]: b is flummoxed Feanor [1k\]: cornel, csaba and jabarin also doing extremely well NorthWind [5k\]: nice Artem. I was getting worried luciangela [5k\]: thx feanor Shipper [3k\]: was W relying on this aji all along? Onibaku [5k?\]: L15? ] ;B[jb]C[ix7 [7k\]: Kim is surely in tears now gregorius: B cannot answer at L17 ix7 [7k\]: all the points destroyed Jinghua [7k\]: man, thats a disaster... ] ;W[kc] ;B[kb]C[hosainogo: @Shedal: Artem is too weak to be listed there LOL Do you want him to take their money? :) Shedal [1d\]: H16 will work now Jinghua [7k\]: epic train wreck, now I gues artem wins. Onibaku [5k?\]: no misha91 [2d\]: g18 ? Webanim [1d\]: j17 SenYuki [3d\]: g18 Geert [?\]: This looks bad for b Geert [?\]: w can cut luciangela [5k\]: e18, alladin [-\]: j16 next mowe ] ;W[gb]C[Shedal [1d\]: yes!!! roamer [1k\]: yeah gregorius: fiu, fiu... Jinghua [7k\]: oh, the pain.... ix7 [7k\]: war Zairex [1k\]: cry wolokom [5k\]: Kim is ahead ix7 [7k\]: is Kim male or female? Nicl22 [3k\]: Artem doing good now? Chilltime [1d\]: THIS IS SPARTA Shedal [1d\]: this is Ukraine, actually Draak [1d\]: go artem *\\o/* ] ;B[eb]C[Nicl22 [3k\]: this is finland fetti [-\]: h16? igoyametai [4d\]: h16 misha91 [2d\]: h16 ! Feanor [1k\]: yea ix7 [7k\]: j17 Geert [?\]: J17 Oleksandr [1d\]: resign in few moves Karnesun [5d\]: h16 gregorius: H16 Chilltime [1d\]: j17 Shipper [3k\]: H16 baby Feanor [1k\]: teh pain ix7 [7k\]: is Kim m or f? misha91 [2d\]: m14 first Feanor [1k\]: teh suffering... rayphen [7k\]: m 14 now Pische [-\]: t1 zife [-\]: kim jung hyeop is a guy Chilltime [1d\]: t1! Imvatim [?\]: is b ok? Onibaku [5k?\]: H16 h17 Zitrone [1k\]: m14 bad Shedal [1d\]: b is far from ok Feanor [1k\]: h16 h17 j16 k16 j17 kostuek [-\]: t1 bad Onibaku [5k?\]: yes Zairex [1k\]: seki ix7 [7k\]: thanks, zife Shedal [1d\]: W might want to M14 first Shedal [1d\]: or... sagesse [-\]: j16 Shipper [3k\]: M14 useless, if B tries to cut he can take L11 group Zitrone [1k\]: m14 not needed, and loose point strong10k [-\]: artem won ] ;W[lb] ;B[mc]C[beerslayer [-\]: is this game over beerslayer [-\]: oh never mind Psykeeper [?\]: M14 not useless Syptryn [3d\]: j17 Jinghua [7k\]: stunned by artem power Xebo [4d\]: k12 was maybe a mistaqke BALLZ [3k\]: does b look like he wants to cry? ] ;W[ic]C[misha91 [2d\]: m14 ! Xebo [4d\]: j13 take liberty better Geert [?\]: ouch Jinghua [7k\]: m14 a waste of time Syptryn [3d\]: black screwed soon9d [22k\]: Artem no. 1! DuckRoll [?\]: nice B moyo lol Alternate [?\]: cant see it yet Zitrone [1k\]: m14 loose n12 stone ix7 [7k\]: I love good shape luciangela [5k\]: artem father's is birthday Shipper [3k\]: flawless victory Psykeeper [?\]: this is such a painful move though ix7 [7k\]: how it looks on you from the board with the beautiful shape eyes ^^ BALLZ [3k\]: wasnt even moyo, but teritorry eatramen [22k\]: b must be so annoyed kostuek [-\]: all about h14 fetti [-\]: b h16 now? BALLZ [3k\]: until he ignored a sente move strong10k [-\]: b11 tenuki lost the game Syptryn [3d\]: h16 j18 Syptryn [3d\]: white cuts down to 1st line Shedal [1d\]: wasn't W H16 better? Feanor [1k\]: apparently not Xebo [4d\]: h16 worse zc3k [1k\]: point by point now on w roamer [1k\]: w h16 black can still connect j15 ] ;B[hb]C[Shedal [1d\]: why worse, Xebo? MaxMakinen [2k\]: eurogotv, when trying to join the stream it says stream offline? misha91 [2d\]: h16 Syptryn [3d\]: pooor black Shipper [3k\]: h16 now, it's in the bag Syptryn [3d\]: totally cut beerslayer [-\]: *pokes northy and zothy sadly* Onibaku [5k?\]: no jleone [4k\]: what do you think about the move black n3 ? woudn't be better to play deepper at n4 instead ? white can't stop the invasion .. Onibaku [5k?\]: B live in here ] ;W[ib]C[gregorius: h16 take in sente Onibaku [5k?\]: but TPEHEP [2d\]: f15 -aji... NorthWind [5k\]: wassup beer Shedal [1d\]: :o Syptryn [3d\]: p18 Syptryn [3d\]: looks dangerous for black Onibaku [5k?\]: yes indeed F525 [15k\]: Can't B live now? Madel [1k\]: H16 Chilltime [1d\]: j18 looks too greedy Shedal [1d\]: It is just insane :) Onibaku [5k?\]: H17 Syptryn [3d\]: h16 j19 biscotteur: l15? ix7 [7k\]: b has to stay connected Morbo [5k\]: B needs to kill to win, not just live. F525 [15k\]: Ko on top? chro [4k\]: l15 Shedal [1d\]: J18 is not greedy Psykeeper [?\]: yep ] ;B[fe]C[Shipper [3k\]: no way B can kill without losing L11 ix7 [7k\]: what would be greedy? TPEHEP [2d\]: yes... roamer [1k\]: to kill what_ jleone [4k\]: black n4 can't be cut .. TPEHEP [2d\]: bad for W TPEHEP [2d\]: w lost igoyametai [4d\]: g14 Chilltime [1d\]: b+ MaxMakinen [2k\]: why didnt white h16? Psykeeper [?\]: cause white got greedy ] ;W[jc]C[TPEHEP [2d\]: b14-f13 beerslayer [-\]: greedy people get what they deserve beerslayer [-\]: santa makes sure of that Syptryn [3d\]: eh, seems aji kashi Shedal [2d\]: the corner will need to live now kirisute [-\]: greedy people get what they desire kirisute [-\]: the meek will inherit whatever their opponent gives them beerslayer [-\]: until the meek load up and lock and load kirisute [-\]: and slay some beer? Geert [?\]: white didn't play h16 because of h17, j16, f15, g14, f13, f14, e 14, e15, g13 f15 and d14 kvartaali [?\]: the whole p18 thing can for sure be done in sente now ] ;B[df]C[Jinghua [7k\]: oops Pische [-\]: ? TPEHEP [2d\]: w ded BALLZ [3k\]: huge furikawari? kirisute [-\]: just e14 Jinghua [7k\]: big trade scurge [5d\]: Black is going to go All down twold [1k\]: furikawari is horrible for w here luciangela [5k\]: g14 sameasyou [2d\]: w is connected Shedal [2d\]: B's top right canDIE NOW deft [3d\]: uh, but W isn't dead ] ;W[ef] ;B[be]C[beerslayer [-\]: deftyyyyyy :) twold [1k\]: i meant b, duh. but ain't gonna happen anyway sameasyou [2d\]: f13 igoyametai [4d\]: f13 CBlue [3d?\]: super close game huh deft [3d\]: F12 Kalyptuss [2k\]: F14 TPEHEP [2d\]: f13 ] ;W[de] ;B[af]C[scurge [5d\]: f white manages to have J19 sente its all over for black i think Xebo [4d\]: g14? kirisute [-\]: f12? CBlue [3d?\]: d11? ] ;W[fh]C[roamer [1k\]: declaring victory already? luciangela [5k\]: f14 Shedal [2d\]: G14 now CBlue [3d?\]: f8? Syptryn [3d\]: f14 Onibaku [5k?\]: G 14 E15 iTengen [2k\]: go arty! Zitrone [1k\]: f13 only way to try to cut Shipper [3k\]: still so much to patch up on top Syptryn [3d\]: black is defiant Shipper [3k\]: I think W has this Alternate [?\]: super nice 7d fighting isnt it kirisute [-\]: there is no cut sameasyou [2d\]: anybody knos how Dinersteing-Shikshin and Cornel-Mero games have finnished? sameasyou [2d\]: know* kirisute [-\]: in finland they finnish you luciangela [5k\]: f14,e15,f13,e13 sameasyou [2d\]: finish :) roamer [1k\]: and antti tanaru :) Shedal [2d\]: lol kirisute ix7 [7k\]: lol, kirisute ^^ combo [6k\]: why not l15? NorthWind [5k\]: n18 Feanor [1k\]: l15 m14 Zitrone [1k\]: lucieangela: f14 f13 Feanor [1k\]: l16 for o10, not so cool trade Onibaku [5k?\]: G14 E15 Onibaku [5k?\]: D11 CBlue [3d?\]: L15 is empty triangle. M14 is better CBlue [3d?\]: (but i dont think it's important yet) Hayek [2k?\]: who won the tournament? Jax [10k\]: b can separate w at L15, right? mmmd [2k?\]: artem when he wins Vabank [1d\]: probably artem luciangela [5k\]: artem win luciangela [5k\]: is not important if lose this game Shipper [3k\]: yes, B can seperate W, but W will seperate B Feanor [1k\]: Jax, read instead of swinging that lamppost CBlue [3d?\]: Jax, if b tries, w eill separate at M14 Zitrone [1k\]: Cblue, m14 lose some points with the n12 stone kostuek [-\]: b needs something about n17 group? LugPaj [2d\]: artems main rival is watching ;) luciangela [5k\]: Artem is champ 2010 Nefeste [5k\]: game of separatists Feanor [1k\]: who is his rival? Kazashi [-\]: artem is russian? Vabank [1d\]: ukraina Feanor [1k\]: ukrainian ix7 [7k\]: Artem is Ukrainian Kazashi [-\]: ok thanks CBlue [3d?\]: Zitrone, if L15 is sente, then b can play N13 anyway. so there is no difference, except black has more choice after empty triangle, and less after bamboo luciangela [5k\]: rivne club LugPaj [2d\]: kghin Kazashi [-\]: en jung? Feanor [1k\]: oh Feanor [1k\]: he's there too? Feanor [1k\]: nice Jax [10k\]: I see Kazashi [-\]: Jung is Corean? Feanor [1k\]: no ix7 [7k\]: is almost something like Russian, but since Americans have their fingers in the game, Ukrainians are sooooo very different from Russians like another race. Feanor [1k\]: maybe Korean IceSpectre [4k\]: Korean * Feanor [1k\]: though Geert [?\]: feels like w is ahead by few points (2 or 3) Zitrone [1k\]: problem is l15 m14 n13 m15 and black must add a move because of p16 Kazashi [-\]: sorrry i am frensh..... luciangela [5k\]: n18? ix7 [7k\]: Fransh? oO Zitrone [1k\]: l15 is gote for black luciangela [5k\]: after g15 live ix7 [7k\]: Frensh ^^ Khim [-\]: french can learn english too :) ix7 [7k\]: lol ] ;B[ei]C[CBlue [3d?\]: b will answer L15 at N13, not at M14 alexanderp [?\]: Ilya lost to Dinershtein? Geert [?\]: mistake! alexanderp [?\]: or game is going? Academic [6k\]: f13 Academic [6k\]: ? Geert [?\]: w can g14 Jinghua [7k\]: Ilyja lost by time? deft [3d\]: D11 Zitrone [1k\]: but white can n13 m14 l15 in gote BALLZ [3k\]: will there be an appeal? Jinghua [7k\]: yes DuckRoll [?\]: g14 ? Zitrone [1k\]: still some point to take N4KED [1d\]: no rob lost by time luciangela [5k\]: if illia lost.....Artem is winner IceSpectre [4k\]: so anyone knows about iliyas game ? ix7 [7k\]: F11 Shedal [2d\]: There's also Kang N4KED [1d\]: if artem wins then he wins CBlue [3d?\]: absolutely, that makes a few points later luciangela [5k\]: no IceSpectre [4k\]: she is about to lose her game luciangela [5k\]: artem have 8 N4KED [1d\]: but if artem loses then its between alot of people misha91 [2d\]: can ignore? luciangela [5k\]: illia 7 roamer [1k\]: i dont get e11, w doesnt just g14 ?? dmf [14k\]: who has more cash? suren [3k\]: isnt q4 big ] ;W[ff]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ouch Feanor [1k\]: 5 people, to be precise, if artem loses ] ;B[gk]C[Syptryn [3d\]: !!! Morbo [5k\]: ?! ix7 [7k\]: h8 N4KED [1d\]: ah white dying!! kimidori [1d\]: that means ilya lost to alex already? ledeiR [3d?\]: e17 grp alive ? ix7 [7k\]: white is dying!???? ix7 [7k\]: where? Step [4d\]: g19 kostuek [-\]: in the middle Nefeste [5k\]: under yhe goban Shipper [3k\]: Relax, W fine suren [3k\]: w alive scurge [5d\]: black is dead now i think _ Hangovers [3k\]: h17 -> ko? Shedal [2d\]: oh! G19 works?! Geert [?\]: N18!!!!! misha91 [2d\]: w p18 possible? scurge [5d\]: j19 g19 n13 m14 l15 n18 o19 m19 k19 Morbo [5k\]: At least the H15 may be killed in gote. IceSpectre [4k\]: what is the sequence ? ] ;W[ia]C[ix7 [7k\]: h8 Onibaku [5k?\]: B not dead natillas [5d\]: hi scurge [5d\]: i fegot to p16 p17 sente Nicl22 [3k\]: so is w winning? ix7 [7k\]: why shouldn't white protect his moyo? natillas [5d\]: I hope b wins Hangovers [3k\]: nice Xenzenshu [5k\]: figures j19 sente Nicl22 [3k\]: I hope w wins Feanor [1k\]: europe ftw Shedal [2d\]: OMG, B is dying... Captcavern [4k\]: and now onibaku ? natillas [5d\]: did I say b? natillas [5d\]: I meant w Onibaku [5k?\]: ) ] ;B[ga]C[scurge [5d\]: i don't see live gregorius: then WP18 Step [4d\]: m14 gregorius: ko for life suren [3k\]: g14 ] ;W[od]C[ix7 [7k\]: N18 for life? fekand3 [1d\]: a18? ix7 [7k\]: oh pistachio [8k\]: it is time! N4KED [1d\]: white die Feanor [1k\]: where? Hangovers [3k\]: is artem killing all? CBlue [3d?\]: no stream available atm? kostuek [-\]: in the middle soon9d [22k\]: Stop trolling. ix7 [7k\]: b can N13, thats an eye, no? ] ;B[mb]C[Step [4d\]: o19 Step [4d\]: =) IceSpectre [4k\]: l16 sacrifice for eating m11 ? Shipper [3k\]: great for white igoyametai [4d\]: m15 mooi [3d\]: n13? misha91 [2d\]: p18 Alternate [?\]: m19? suren [3k\]: p17 LugPaj [2d\]: m19 Jinghua [7k\]: l19 sansa [1d\]: m19 eatramen [22k\]: another 22k =D, hello kyuling eatramen [22k\]: ! ledeiR [3d?\]: why m19 ?? ix7 [7k\]: soon9d, what a name ^^ Shedal [2d\]: N13 maybe? Zuko [2k\]: m15 mooi [3d\]: m13 first Webanim [1d\]: p17 ix7 [7k\]: 22k... like 22+9 stones difference :D jezork [4d\]: a18 deft [3d\]: M19 bad move VicSim [?\]: m15 misha91 [2d\]: after c5 w can cut g9 stone? Onibaku [5k?\]: if M 19 ] ;W[ob]C[Onibaku [5k?\]: N 19 deft [3d\]: B has 2 1/2 eyes so killing is out of the question ] ;B[oc]C[Geert [?\]: b is alive ] ;W[pa]C[combo [6k\]: n13 now Geert [?\]: m19, k19, o19 ] ;B[la]C[ledeiR [3d?\]: n13 is gote Zairex [1k\]: q17 big ] ;W[ja]C[fekand3 [1d\]: ko Shipper [3k\]: k19 CBlue [3d?\]: ledeir, gotta quote jungle book song to answer your question :-p F525 [15k\]: Where's the 2nd B eye? Shedal [2d\]: B N13 Shipper [3k\]: b dead ladies and gentleman mooi [3d\]: it's ko? kimidori [1d\]: alive ledeiR [3d?\]: alive ] ;B[na]C[strong10k [-\]: alive beefree2: dead Zuko [2k\]: alive ix7 [7k\]: lol Morbo [5k\]: How is it dead? N13? Shipper [3k\]: lol misha91 [2d\]: q17 is sente now H16 [1d\]: ko? grumpyjoe [-\]: i always knew artem was a clever man Chilltime [1d\]: ko ] ;W[le] ;B[me]C[Zuko [2k\]: l19 suren [3k\]: ko ix7 [7k\]: he isn't a man yet. Geert [?\]: completely alive grumpyjoe [-\]: clever rabbit gdghgjd [2d\]: what about the time? Geert [?\]: n13 and l19 are miai vingol [1d\]: no ko IceSpectre [4k\]: h8 sansa [1d\]: n13 suren [3k\]: alive strong10k [-\]: black cleaver but he lose F525 [15k\]: Isn't W Q17 pretty good? Eren [1d\]: black is alive but lost already Zuko [2k\]: n13 bye sente and b l19 Onibaku [5k?\]: yes Onibaku [5k?\]: no need go ) 19 muliny [1d\]: wow.. ko for life Onibaku [5k?\]: o 19 grumpyjoe [-\]: eat n11 Onibaku [5k?\]: L 15 better kostuek [-\]: n13 l19 m14 Xenzenshu [5k\]: protect center now? muliny [1d\]: hmm gdghgjd [2d\]: q17 very nice for white muliny [1d\]: nvm Zuko [2k\]: m14 ] ;W[pc]C[fetti [-\]: is a18 useless? Xebo [4d\]: hm IceSpectre [4k\]: for now yes Xebo [4d\]: still a ko now roamer [1k\]: and think that was a huge black territory,,, lost in gote :) Geert [?\]: N13 eatramen [22k\]: endgame move Xebo [4d\]: and black can go to white moyo beefree2: why play this? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: h8 misha91 [2d\]: c5 b5 f8 Nefeste [5k\]: b should prepare some punishment combo [6k\]: m14 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Hangovers [3k\]: a18 Warlord [-\]: why for life? b can n13 anytime to live NorthWind [5k\]: L19 Shipper [3k\]: If W O18, there's trouble Kuratos [11k\]: Who is winning please ? ix7 [7k\]: ^^ RSX1000 [11k\]: b+res ix7 [7k\]: w is winning ] ;B[mg]C[N4KED [1d\]: Black + resign mooi [3d\]: artem always winning Kuratos [11k\]: k thanks luciangela [5k\]: l19 Shedal [2d\]: Why N13? vingol [1d\]: h8 now Feanor [1k\]: h8 now, I think Koffein [-\]: yes, artem wins always (except when he loses) VicSim [?\]: h8 RyuuGan [1d\]: l19 o18 Jinghua [7k\]: H8 Shedal [2d\]: ah... igoyametai [4d\]: B has g13 Zuko [2k\]: l19 and win ] ;W[co]C[luciangela [5k\]: L19 ix7 [7k\]: h8, h8!!! Syptryn [3d\]: huh ix7 [7k\]: save the moyo Alternate [?\]: l19 wrong luciangela [5k\]: 018 Syptryn [3d\]: is this big enough? natillas [5d\]: h8 :D pinpingho [-\]: g13 don't work Xebo [4d\]: g13 doesnt work RyuuGan [1d\]: g14 for w muliny [1d\]: i19 doesn't do anything Xebo [4d\]: white live Shedal [2d\]: So Q17 was sente... how nice is that? Syptryn [3d\]: g13 ] ;B[bo]C[CBlue [3d?\]: syptryn, might be for g9 loose keima, something? dM01 [4k\]: t2! ] ;W[dn]C[mooi [3d\]: f8 :) Syptryn [3d\]: but... if I were black I'd just ignore Syptryn [3d\]: f8 Syptryn [3d\]: betting into white moyo so much bigger CBlue [3d?\]: i dont think you can ignore this Syptryn [3d\]: and g13 getting serious pinpingho [-\]: g13 f11 nanok [?\]: b7? miguelsan [5k\]: doesnt black need L19 to make a second eyeball? Syptryn [3d\]: f8 b6 b4 c7 g13 Alternate [?\]: no o18 eatramen [22k\]: eyeball Koffein [-\]: l19 o18 miai eatramen [22k\]: lol Jinghua [7k\]: no, b has 2 eyes soon9d [22k\]: Do only the top boards have those nice, thick goban? IceSpectre [4k\]: c8 Shipper [3k\]: ignoring this would just be desperate ix7 [7k\]: yes Feanor [1k\]: usualy Syptryn [3d\]: ignore thing wouldbe smart Syptryn [3d\]: black left side 15 points IceSpectre [4k\]: ohh oops Syptryn [3d\]: 1 move at h8 gregorius: w is still ahead uguryldz [-\]: l19 q18 Syptryn [3d\]: is like at least 25 ix7 [7k\]: only the top boeards get to play on nice gobans. kyus always play on shit -.- miguelsan [5k\]: oh i see its miai to make 2 eyeballs my mistake :P ] ;B[hl]C[Jinghua [7k\]: bring your own goban if you dont like it Syptryn [3d\]: yup bolbi [-\]: language please Syptryn [3d\]: ignore Jinghua [7k\]: yes!!!!!!!!!!!! N4KED [1d\]: hehe StefanRadu [1k\]: oh my...................... ix7 [7k\]: -.- CBlue [3d?\]: oO dmf [14k\]: that looks painful N4KED [1d\]: bye bye birdie deft [3d\]: if it wasn't like that people would just stay kyu forever ;) Syptryn [3d\]: I thought that would happen luciangela [5k\]: f8 beefree2: g8 igoyametai [4d\]: b6 uguryldz [-\]: b6 Jinghua [7k\]: moyo is history ] ;W[bn]C[NorthWind [5k\]: kyus forever ! ] ;B[bp]C[miguelsan [5k\]: kyu power ix7 [7k\]: kill b kvartaali [?\]: w kills black in the moyo? Shedal [2d\]: this game is so cool... yuuki [7k\]: b6 ] ;W[fl]C[ix7 [7k\]: j6 ix7 [7k\]: wj6!!! H16 [1d\]: artem can so do it Jinghua [7k\]: f9 gejimayu [1k?\]: wow. looks like a misread ladder. :) Feanor [1k\]: j6 way too submissive Hand [1k\]: Artem has the moster epic lastname ever Feanor [1k\]: w needs to cut h8 off yuuki [7k\]: lol gregorius: surprise? natillas [5d\]: are the two kims twins? nasnad [2d\]: i bet white wins ] ;B[fk]C[ix7 [7k\]: why twins? everybody in Korea is calles Kim onegoal [3k\]: novsky with two yy? one is not enough? ix7 [7k\]: called* Feanor [1k\]: dramatic play is dramatic natillas [5d\]: they look alike LugPaj [2d\]: EURO, how is the time please? Khim [-\]: yes, everybody ] ;W[dl]C[ix7 [7k\]: Coreany always look alike... :DDD ix7 [7k\]: Koreans* Geert [?\]: w has to be careful for the cut on g13 ix7 [7k\]: at least for me. Syptryn [3d\]: ya, g-13 gettign dangerous Syptryn [3d\]: very dangerous miguelsan [5k\]: this doesnt look too god for black Xebo [4d\]: g13 - g14 Xebo [4d\]: white live or connect Syptryn [3d\]: actually I think white mgiht have harder end ] ;B[ek]C[geghard [?\]: why only the eurogotv2 stream works in Austroa and not eurogotv1????? BALLZ [3k\]: many mistakes the last part of the game it seems gregorius: KASZANA ] ;W[di]C[Syptryn [3d\]: this is whites only terriroty :( Syptryn [3d\]: black still has corner CBlue [3d?\]: niiice natillas [5d\]: wow CBlue [3d?\]: d11 is a relief sort of natillas [5d\]: artem does it again! NorthWind [5k\]: d9 natillas [5d\]: bravissimo artem natillas [5d\]: grande gara Shedal [2d\]: explain! Syptryn [3d\]: well white saved top... Geert [?\]: b has more points fetti [-\]: now f11 works after G13 Nefeste [5k\]: kandagar barbambia kirgudu LugPaj [2d\]: a17 might vecome a ko later Syptryn [3d\]: but black just wrekced his moyo... ptitlou [2d\]: c7 working ? gdghgjd [2d\]: black has to watch his groups nanok [?\]: board 2 is on fire :) gregorius: C10 sente Syptryn [3d\]: not really N4KED [1d\]: black please kill all! natillas [5d\]: kang is on fire? Imvatim [?\]: wow so much has happened within the last 50 move Syptryn [3d\]: d9 c7 j7 Syptryn [3d\]: white got nothing... EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Feanor [1k\]: wait ix7 [7k\]: yes, much has happened - it started raining and I ate my sandwich :P Syptryn [3d\]: actually nither does black lol Syptryn [3d\]: should be close game eatramen [22k\]: im hungry =/ ledeiR [3d?\]: b got a lot Syptryn [3d\]: after exhacnage ledeiR [3d?\]: h8 MaxMakinen [2k\]: eurogotv, are shikshin and dinerstein still playing? Syptryn [3d\]: white got top right corner Syptryn [3d\]: so should still be okay just Shedal [2d\]: natillas, explain your delight ix7 [7k\]: b got 2 corners ] ;B[eh]C[Syptryn [3d\]: oh that's a ko ] ;W[eg]C[Yggdrasil [6k\]: b+res no? Diletta [16k?\]: great artem Alternate [?\]: game might decide on q18 ko Jinghua [7k\]: no Diletta [16k?\]: vgreat game A1R [4k\]: stream is not working?! Diletta [16k?\]: it mean so grandissmo arte= great artem uguryldz [-\]: why not f11 Diletta [16k?\]: grandssima gara= great game ptitlou [2d\]: e10 then c7 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: black in byo yomi catsoldier [6k\]: apparently stream not working in Germany Xebo [4d\]: is artem in byo yomi too? LugPaj [2d\]: streamworking in germany Jinghua [7k\]: zad for ze germans.... deft [3d\]: F11 is normal move threatening to cut at G13 eatramen [22k\]: in what lang diletta? catsoldier [6k\]: o.O Syptryn [3d\]: d10 black connect in sente? grumpyjoe [-\]: what a cool way to win the championship Feanor [1k\]: sounds like italian Diletta [16k?\]: Italian language grumpyjoe [-\]: better not jinx Syptryn [3d\]: or lose it :P Diletta [16k?\]: yep deft [3d\]: but B maybe concerned that W can take at C7 in sente ] ;B[dk] ;W[bl]C[jezork [4d\]: what happened with ilya's game? ix7 [7k\]: no, Artem had 1,5 hours before, so he's not in byo yomi mooi [3d\]: wow Xebo [4d\]: b8 cool eatramen [22k\]: b8 good Feanor [1k\]: and very very fast gregorius: :) ibd [5k?\]: hi all luciangela [5k\]: k7 Kyoji [3k\]: omg artem ! Kyoji [3k\]: live video ? cherisse [1k\]: waaaaa not artem vs illia T_T should have been an epic match Feanor [1k\]: k7 is resign ] ;B[bk]C[mihi [6d\]: J7 igoyametai [4d\]: g14 Hand [1k\]: w managed that in sente nice ] ;W[pp]C[natillas [5d\]: j7 ogokon [4k?\]: <3 Artem wildaxt [5k\]: who leads? Kyoji [3k\]: is there a live streaming link ? cherisse [1k\]: i miss illia, i miss kang, i miss Cornel :( Geert [?\]: i prefer b Hand [1k\]: w + 71,5 ] ;B[qp] ;W[oq]C[NorthWind [5k\]: but h8 will eat all W territory :( ] ;B[or]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: artem on a rampage mFz [3k\]: poor artem :( Geert [?\]: now h7 ix7 [7k\]: j6 now kimidori [1d\]: J kimidori [1d\]: J7 crazyboy [5d\]: q5 deft [3d\]: B is winning big, but that's no real suprise - but artem played many good moves Kyoji [3k\]: q5 Shipper [3k\]: poort artem indeed, he wins a championship and has no fancy suit to show for it mFz [3k\]: j7 ] ;W[im]C[Xebo [4d\]: it white h7, black will win the ko in upper right mFz [3k\]: yes yes yes yes muliny [1d\]: somehow two of b's moyo was reduced to nothing Xebo [4d\]: probably grumpyjoe [-\]: he is classy though EuroGoTV1 [-\]: SE Feanor [1k\]: yay A1R [4k\]: is fraking out :P Syptryn [3d\]: wow b-8 is nice ] ;B[hm] ;W[hn]C[Feanor [1k\]: artem pwns in the world of SE ] ;B[gn]C[Vabank [1d\]: how ilia game? sameasyou [2d\]: yup...Artem has at least one huge fan A1R [4k\]: freaking* ix7 [7k\]: j6 gdghgjd [2d\]: another ko^^ ogokon [4k?\]: I bet Artem wears a t-shirt with a tuxedo design on it for the awards ceremony, because that = class. anaklpg007: waw igoyametai [4d\]: h5 Shedal [2d\]: W+137, in SE's opinion anaklpg007: ngomong apa lo ibd [5k?\]: lol ogokon HFIRE [9k\]: g7 yuuki [7k\]: SE always right anaklpg007: wat wat gawoh kimidori [1d\]: artem&kang're losing faltros [7k\]: hhah kimidori [1d\]: so? faltros [7k\]: anak indo Alternate [?\]: w has a 4 point lead now wow anaklpg007: hhe.. bener eatramen [22k\]: lol ogokon, but no it doesnt :p ix7 [7k\]: just connect? sameasyou [2d\]: EuroGo do u know the results from Dinerstein-Shikshin and Mero-Cornel? natillas [5d\]: f4 is honte grumpyjoe [-\]: well, if kang can't win, i'm glad artem will EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just cut faltros [7k\]: jarang2 nih ix7 [7k\]: let the right side be all points faltros [7k\]: ngomen aja anaklpg007: i don't know about this game.. mooi [3d\]: cut? Feanor [1k\]: just j6? beefree2: j6 anaklpg007: teach me pliss,, EuroGoTV1 [-\]: g7 misha91 [2d\]: h5 NorthWind [5k\]: h5 muliny [1d\]: g5 kimidori [1d\]: omg sameasyou [2d\]: easy h5 faltros [7k\]: btw itu artem yang sering main di kgs?? anaklpg007: why? natillas [5d\]: g7 doesnt work natillas [5d\]: we discussed that yesterday Feanor [1k\]: I would j67 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol Feanor [1k\]: j6 fekand3 [1d\]: g5 natillas [5d\]: :) eatramen [22k\]: h5 or g5 natillas [5d\]: g5 doesnt work either mFz [3k\]: g7 doesnt work cauz of f2 ? ibd [5k?\]: why doesn't g7 work? sansa [1d\]: g7 grumpyjoe [-\]: d7 is gone though luciangela [5k\]: 감사합니다 Jung luciangela [5k\]: great game DuckRoll [?\]: E13 only 1 eye in sente W needs to be careful DuckRoll [?\]: or cut Captcavern [4k\]: g7 - j8 goIngo [-\]: 70 % for white Zitrone [1k\]: f2 nothing, white e3 almost alive zc3k [1k\]: G7 cut JCVD [2d\]: maitrepo la star HFIRE [9k\]: e10 is enough for second eye Syptryn [3d\]: h5 ? ] ;W[go]C[JCVD [2d\]: il résplendit a l'ecrant notre kéké a nous ! ix7 [7k\]: oO Syptryn [3d\]: dun dun dun Inna [4d\]: nice one natillas [5d\]: bravissimo artem! Zitrone [1k\]: i have the feeling that j6 who block in k8 was bigger Alternate [?\]: g14 is sente + connect or e10 ] ;B[in] ;W[ho] ;B[il] ;W[jm] ;B[jl]C[Jinghua [7k\]: oh no Gizensha [?\]: hmm crazyboy [5d\]: w lost surmezur [6d\]: hard time goIngo [-\]: g5 questionable alpi [1d\]: no Syptryn [3d\]: l8 McLean [?\]: l8 is fine headache [2d\]: w above is dead if cut Syptryn [3d\]: nope twold [1k\]: is g14 really sente? Syptryn [3d\]: alive DuckRoll [?\]: B can play g13 before e10 Shipper [3k\]: no it's not Xebo [4d\]: g14 sente for w AirForce61 [5d?\]: l8 g13 Xebo [4d\]: why is it dead? Syptryn [3d\]: g14 g13 f11 ogokon [4k?\]: It's a live. igoyametai [4d\]: L9 JCVD [2d\]: lol CBlue [3d?\]: g14 -> alive deft [3d\]: because B F11 is sente ] ;W[gf]C[surmezur [6d\]: White g14 and leave on location is safer yamashitaK [5d\]: l8 ] ;B[hc]C[Korea4K [2d\]: w alive Syptryn [3d\]: eh Jinghua [7k\]: wow.... Zitrone [1k\]: lol Zitrone [1k\]: thanks black? JCVD [2d\]: the big lol "w is dead " LOL ] ;W[ej]C[Syptryn [3d\]: l8 Jinghua [7k\]: L7 Goreon [2d\]: 650 Syptryn [3d\]: whit can't white l-8? headache [2d\]: see JCVD [2d\]: he is 100 percent alive ! NorthWind [5k\]: heh, *breathes again* ogokon [4k?\]: Why not l7 first? Syptryn [3d\]: white could have L-8 kimidori [1d\]: yep headache [2d\]: w only lives in gote kimidori [1d\]: should L7 first DuckRoll [?\]: well is dead if tried to seal center twold [1k\]: this is weird. but maybe it's enough Syptryn [3d\]: L8> L-7 kvartaali [?\]: this game is weird Jinghua [7k\]: E10 looks like a mistake BALLZ [3k\]: b giving back for territorry top eatramen [22k\]: man that clock sounds annoying ] ;B[km] ;W[jn]C[Jinghua [7k\]: thats just massive Inna [4d\]: i don 't understand why b didnt play l8? Alternate [?\]: g5 was strange Onibaku [5k?\]: M8 Shipper [3k\]: B has to connect Inna [4d\]: or w* Jinghua [7k\]: L6 ] ;B[ll]C[newton [1d\]: k5? deft [3d\]: if W played one more move in the center then B would E11 and W would be dead deft [3d\]: *F11 Feanor [1k\]: j6 was so much simpler... newton [1d\]: instead of m8 skrio [3d?\]: +1 j6 ix7 [7k\]: m6 CBlue [3d?\]: q5? ix7 [7k\]: no Syptryn [3d\]: F-11 g13 Onibaku [5k?\]: mo Syptryn [3d\]: whit alive LionelLee [5k\]: i see Onibaku [5k?\]: m6 then l6 LionelLee [5k\]: this place is in finland ix7 [7k\]: yeah Inna [4d\]: no deft Goreon [2d\]: How is Ilya doing? fekand3 [1d\]: n6 dM01 [4k\]: se is funny ] ;W[pb]C[ix7 [7k\]: oO N4KED [1d\]: just resign already artem ] ;B[jr]C[Jinghua [7k\]: big ] ;W[ir]C[ix7 [7k\]: why did white connect!? usagi [1d\]: does anyone know anything about board 3? yuuki [7k\]: lol Inna [4d\]: ? Hand [1k\]: why resign when ur in the lead by more than 135 points ;)? vingol [1d\]: because big Onibaku [5k?\]: l 19 Onibaku [5k?\]: big Inna [4d\]: big what? Onibaku [5k?\]: or B die beefree2: he's saying, i won, game over roamer [1k\]: W+136,5 RyuuGan [1d\]: l19 o18 ledeiR [3d?\]: l19 1 point LionelLee [5k\]: l19 is sente LionelLee [5k\]: thats all uguryldz [-\]: because he spent his ko moves ] ;B[oo]C[LionelLee [5k\]: yea uguryldz [-\]: wasted LionelLee [5k\]: p5 RyuuGan [1d\]: l19 destroying ko threat LionelLee [5k\]: nnow r8 could be in danger ] ;W[mn]C[Syptryn [3d\]: hame still very close Syptryn [3d\]: game igoyametai [4d\]: k5 CBlue [3d?\]: k5 Onibaku [5k?\]: l 19 o 18 l12 Qnav [8d\]: l5 Onibaku [5k?\]: and B live N4KED [1d\]: white die NorthWind [5k\]: I like the clock voice. it's cute. like a hobbit Goreon [2d\]: w+10 LionelLee [5k\]: white's centre got so crazily reduced skrio [3d?\]: L5 ix7 [7k\]: so got blacks territory ] ;B[ko] ;W[jo]C[jinchuriki [20k\]: is black the one winning ? Geert [?\]: ouch ix7 [7k\]: why notL6??? Geert [?\]: this hurts keysersoze [?\]: whos the old man standing on the left? Hand [1k\]: its not like be recued all in sente and w gained nothing elsewhere N4KED [1d\]: l4 RyuuGan [1d\]: l4 ? Zitrone [1k\]: m5 N4KED [1d\]: God l4 Geert [?\]: now L4 ix7 [7k\]: why not L6 instead of K5? ] ;B[kp]C[F525 [15k\]: Does L4 work? Hand [1k\]: yes mFz [3k\]: l4 works ?? mafutrct [-\]: apparently yes Onibaku [5k?\]: yes strong10k [-\]: crap this works Hand [1k\]: yes N4KED [1d\]: YES Geert [?\]: w can resign N4KED [1d\]: !!!1! JiaZe [30k\]: wow N4KED [1d\]: !!!!! McLean [?\]: go jung-hyeop jinchuriki [20k\]: it should work black just cut the chain pinpingho [-\]: eh... Jinghua [7k\]: zomg mafutrct [-\]: l4 l6 k4 j3 m6 j5 m5 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ooooooh LionelLee [5k\]: the guy in the background twold [1k\]: oops CBlue [3d?\]: g5 losing move? Shipper [3k\]: W can still live pinpingho [-\]: did w screw up? Shipper [3k\]: just lose 2 stones Moppel: muhahaha twold [1k\]: just? LionelLee [5k\]: bites his comb and then brushes his hair with it jinchuriki [20k\]: white is losing then ????? McLean [?\]: wite dead twold [1k\]: that equals resign surmezur [6d\]: no pb for white Syptryn [3d\]: no dead Hand [1k\]: hey Wichmaster [6d\]: k4 igoyametai [4d\]: exchange: l6 m7 fekand3 [1d\]: l4 mFz [3k\]: ouch EuroGoTV1 [-\]: white loses kl3 McLean [?\]: or exchange N4KED [1d\]: dead no but lose k3 mi1 [1k\]: B + resign RyuuGan [1d\]: k4 m5 ? MidNReaper [2d\]: did jung just win the main tournament?` Goreon [2d\]: l6 k4 m7 j3 mafutrct [-\]: l4 l6 k4 m7 j3 mFz [3k\]: l5 k4 m6 j5 m5 rayphen [7k\]: w m6 misha91 [2d\]: k4 ? ] ;W[kn]C[strong10k [-\]: artem's turning red after that last move surmezur [6d\]: white is safe in sente and loose only few ] ;B[jp]C[Inna [4d\]: J4 Jinghua [7k\]: ooo ahhhh RyuuGan [1d\]: m7 ? Zairex [1k\]: still close Shedal [2d\]: W+0.5 StefanRadu [1k\]: j4 m5 Qnav [8d\]: over Hand [1k\]: m7 and resuly fairly good gor w? CBlue [3d?\]: wasnt the game close enough that b is ahead now? bin7674 [9d?\]: it became very close now Shipper [3k\]: J4 Goreon [2d\]: w+komi NorthWind [5k\]: m7 yamashitaK [5d\]: go Artem ! kvartaali [?\]: w should have played H8 before going left Shedal [2d\]: Go Artem! MidNReaper [2d\]: anyone know what were the prices for rapid tournament wins? Draak [1d\]: ow pls almighty go god,let arterm win..... luciangela [5k\]: W +1,5 Shedal [2d\]: oops... Syptryn [3d\]: j4 or m7 bigger? kvartaali [?\]: 20+ at that point alpi [1d\]: go Artem! ix7 [7k\]: don't mix god in this -.- Imvatim [?\]: m7 bigger? Alternate [?\]: j4 no good yuuki [7k\]: Dont mix tartrate in this, he's offline Q161 [?\]: lol ] ;W[lm]C[Shedal [2d\]: W is about to be cut Alternate [?\]: m7 Shedal [2d\]: bad :( LionelLee [5k\]: cool Alternate [?\]: ahh too late ] ;B[iq] ;W[ip]C[McLean [?\]: white has nothing Shedal [2d\]: very bad Tristero [2d\]: uh? Shedal [2d\]: B+2.5 now Hand [1k\]: b dont have lot either? ] ;B[jq]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: l8 ? eatramen [22k\]: w just trying to live? Hand [1k\]: like why is this soooo bad for w jinchuriki [20k\]: what a weird shape MidNReaper [2d\]: w didnt have a chance CBlue [3d?\]: hm w gets p4, not bad surmezur [6d\]: a18 igoyametai [4d\]: a18 ] ;W[hr]C[dM01 [4k\]: a18 dM01 [4k\]: :D Himura [1d\]: defend first Hand [1k\]: i think a18 whould be good here Jinghua [7k\]: b should a18 eatramen [22k\]: k1 kyu move MidNReaper [2d\]: l8 surmezur [6d\]: artem atsui Shedal [2d\]: :-( kimidori [1d\]: lol Zairex [1k\]: ne ] ;B[cl]C[Syptryn [3d\]: I woulda a - 18 first :) ] ;W[cm]C[Shipper [3k\]: this is a good game Onmyoji [-\]: go artem!!!!!!!!!!!! luciangela [5k\]: a8 MidNReaper [2d\]: ah l8 isnt even sente Shedal [2d\]: B L8 now Shedal [2d\]: or Onmyoji [-\]: if artem wins this he will be euro champion i think ] ;B[kl]C[Zitrone [1k\]: f6 Hand [1k\]: f6 big no? nanok [?\]: kang loses on board 2 NorthWind [5k\]: d9 not alive ? ] ;W[ab]C[strong10k [-\]: big nonetheless Shedal [2d\]: A8 connects micollins [1k\]: w a18 sente? deft [3d\]: L8 is big ix7 [7k\]: endgame MidNReaper [2d\]: yeah big but not sente Syptryn [3d\]: I woulda covered a reverse sente move IMO deft [3d\]: it's not absolutely sente, but it has big follow up Vovka27 [3k\]: w+0.5 ^^ Hand [1k\]: w +175,5 Hand [1k\]: Jesus learn to count micollins [1k\]: threat h 19 yuuki [7k\]: lol Alternate [?\]: losing won game domage ] ;B[ba]C[kvartaali [?\]: hmm.. g7? luciangela [5k\]: w + 1,5 MidNReaper [2d\]: was a18 bigger than l8? deft [3d\]: this was never a won game for W ix7 [7k\]: a9 deft [3d\]: has been a struggle since the beginning Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+120.5 surmezur [6d\]: a18 looks biger to me micollins [1k\]: :-\] Alternate [?\]: p4 kimidori [1d\]: or SE count MidNReaper [2d\]: its difficult to count how big l8 was ix7 [7k\]: what does SE count as dead? Shedal [2d\]: I count B+1.5 :( Nooo! Artem must win! ix7 [7k\]: the N18 group? luciangela [5k\]: p4 sente dM01 [4k\]: everything keysersoze [?\]: d1 ? Shedal [2d\]: Please make a miracle Artem! dM01 [4k\]: se is a funny guy igoyametai [4d\]: p4 jjaks [13k?\]: SE stands for standard error Psykeeper [?\]: you only like artem cause he's white ix7 [7k\]: I don't have SE dM01 [4k\]: score exploder kimidori [1d\]: L8 = 6pts gote,no? deft [3d\]: O6 sente for B ] ;W[cj]C[adiida [3k\]: score expander Shipper [3k\]: P4? ] ;B[bj]C[LionelLee [5k\]: go promotes racism? Onmyoji [-\]: yes ogokon [4k?\]: Exciting game. JiaZe [30k\]: racism promotes go Hand [1k\]: p4? dM01 [4k\]: lol Shedal [2d\]: D10 is good timing Syptryn [3d\]: a5 NorthWind [5k\]: a9 Shedal [2d\]: *C10 Zairex [1k\]: whats the best endgame in bottom left corner ogokon [4k?\]: My god another 30k. /jealous Hand [1k\]: a9 or a5 dilos [3d\]: c15 Alternate [?\]: se = senseless effort natillas [5d\]: q5 :P adiida [3k\]: p4 adiida [3k\]: then g7 ix7 [7k\]: q5? deft [3d\]: P6 ix7 [7k\]: then what? ogokon [4k?\]: P4 is big. mi1 [1k\]: m5 gdghgjd [2d\]: p4 JiaZe [30k\]: :) Shedal [2d\]: Q5!!!!! Onmyoji [-\]: p4 deft [3d\]: ... but first maybe W should A5? seikenguy [-\]: White too strong + 120 O_o Shedal [2d\]: no, not Q5 Tristero [2d\]: a5 ] ;W[br]C[Onmyoji [-\]: a5 ix7 [7k\]: q5--->p4, then what does whit? Syptryn [3d\]: p4 then a5 kolben [2d?\]: i count w leading Jinghua [7k\]: oooo Syptryn [3d\]: a-5 huge too dM01 [4k\]: b2! beefree2: OMGOMGOMG fisz [-\]: ko Shedal [2d\]: B2? is it a timesuji? yuuki [7k\]: ! ] ;B[bs]C[Zairex [1k\]: so this is the best : ) Shedal [2d\]: ah, it's yose ledeiR [3d?\]: no ko yuuki [7k\]: Artem is god ] ;W[ar]C[luciangela [5k\]: a2 yuuki [7k\]: KILL IT >D Syptryn [3d\]: ? Orandajinn [2d?\]: huh beefree2: ko too big ogokon [4k?\]: Cannot die. luciangela [5k\]: a3 Zairex [1k\]: of course it lives alexanderp [?\]: a3 Hand [1k\]: its to get sente RyuuGan [1d\]: seki? HowAbout [3d\]: alive Onmyoji [-\]: arte, wamts a5 surmezur [6d\]: what is doing artem? keysersoze [?\]: b alive... dmf [14k\]: l+2 alive? DuckRoll [?\]: would be sprised if L+2 dies yuuki [7k\]: man, i need to check the cam now XD Shedal [2d\]: He's doing yose keysersoze [?\]: a3 d1 ... deft [3d\]: you can play A5 without this grumpyjoe [-\]: go artem Syptryn [3d\]: d1 seems to hure white DuckRoll [?\]: lol LionelLee [5k\]: b2 is called ajikeshi Onmyoji [-\]: tanuki? Hand [1k\]: a3 a5 grumpyjoe [-\]: take this down Syptryn [3d\]: but then artem gets seki Syptryn [3d\]: so Shipper [3k\]: W trying to get points around A7 in sente N4KED [1d\]: a5 Syptryn [3d\]: a3 sameasyou [2d\]: ko dude Syptryn [3d\]: might be best RyuuGan [1d\]: d1 a5 ] ;B[aq]C[LionelLee [5k\]: black a3? mi1 [1k\]: no ko Orandajinn [2d?\]: white want to get a16 in sente HowAbout [3d\]: black plays a3 Luna86 [9k\]: a3 and should live ] ;W[ao]C[Onmyoji [-\]: a5 Hand [1k\]: a5 now Smorchok [1d?\]: is it time tesugi? :) Hand [1k\]: sente HowAbout [3d\]: were is the ko? NorthWind [5k\]: opp in time shortage so made him think ogokon [4k?\]: Tell the clock to shut up! >< Onibaku [5k?\]: D1 Onmyoji [-\]: d1 Inna [4d\]: D1 luciangela [5k\]: d1 HowAbout [3d\]: w just wanted a5 sente Inna [4d\]: yes Shedal [2d\]: good! Zitrone [1k\]: no he can c15 deft [3d\]: yeah, but B gets D1 Onmyoji [-\]: d1 p4 deft [3d\]: so it's no good for W Shedal [2d\]: Now W+0.5 Syptryn [3d\]: thoughh D-1 not too small either surmezur [6d\]: then a9 is great now deft [3d\]: should play A5 without the exchanges in the corner keysersoze [?\]: but a5 or d1 were sente even without b2 MidNReaper [2d\]: yeah dont understand why w wants b to play d1 Shipper [3k\]: B must D1 eatramen [22k\]: just T19 and end the game so i can go to sleep =) HowAbout [3d\]: d1 1 point sente for b Qnav [8d\]: if he wanted to play a5 he have just to play a5... ] ;B[ds]C[Zitrone [1k\]: if just a5 black answer a4 luciangela [5k\]: w a16 ] ;W[ak]C[Shedal [2d\]: cool yose! Syptryn [3d\]: mmm DuckRoll [?\]: couldnt W played both a5 and d1 in sente somehow ? Syptryn [3d\]: I woud have played P-4 first N4KED [1d\]: c15 Onibaku [5k?\]: C15 NorthWind [5k\]: a10 c15 goIngo [-\]: black 33 % Onibaku [5k?\]: no pechon [13k\]: B Q5 Onibaku [5k?\]: C15 Psykeeper [?\]: why would you even call c15 Syptryn [3d\]: oh lol Syptryn [3d\]: black need sto live :P Syptryn [3d\]: nm LionelLee [5k\]: white shld l5 in sente Dita [3d?\]: C15 might be tricky LionelLee [5k\]: reverse sente Syptryn [3d\]: nice yose Geert [?\]: Very close game Psykeeper [?\]: the sky is blue herp derp LionelLee [5k\]: while he still cna LionelLee [5k\]: can Dita [3d?\]: H19 etc via A17 gdghgjd [2d\]: white p4 is gote ] ;B[aj] ;W[al]C[pechon [13k\]: w Q5 ? Onibaku [5k?\]: C 15 Now Syptryn [3d\]: p4 Feanor [1k\]: no need yamashitaK [5d\]: c15 p4 rayphen [7k\]: q5 NorthWind [5k\]: retained sente Syptryn [3d\]: c-15 is 3 pts Feanor [1k\]: c15 a12 miai Syptryn [3d\]: reverse sente headache [2d\]: isnt p4 biggr? Mote [3k\]: b f6 ? Feanor [1k\]: yes, in gote Syptryn [3d\]: p4 larger Khim [-\]: no miai igoyametai [4d\]: f6 Hand [1k\]: a6 MidNReaper [2d\]: c15 is big McLean [?\]: p4 luciangela [5k\]: p4 Shipper [3k\]: great yose sequence by Q Shipper [3k\]: *W HowAbout [3d\]: c15 3 points pinpingho [-\]: b get p4 seikenguy [-\]: Too close. N4KED [1d\]: f6 uguryldz [-\]: m5 ] ;B[gm]C[Syptryn [3d\]: about 5 pts everse sente LionelLee [5k\]: isnt m5 bigger? Zitrone [1k\]: c15 3 points reverse sente Jinghua [7k\]: Kang lost pinpingho [-\]: b think he has enough? dmf [14k\]: what about iliya? ] ;W[fn]C[Jinghua [7k\]: dunno Feanor [1k\]: mighty close LionelLee [5k\]: i see a very good sequence followed by black m5 Syptryn [3d\]: p4 larger :( Onibaku [5k?\]: p4 Syptryn [3d\]: after p4, white cant even connect P3 Alternate [?\]: i see b leading by 2-3 luciangela [5k\]: l19 sente MidNReaper [2d\]: i hope jung wins ix7 [7k\]: Q5 better than p4 Syptryn [3d\]: reverse sente too luciangela [5k\]: o18 sente Jinghua [7k\]: p4 is sente adiida [3k\]: what did Catalin do ? Syptryn [3d\]: oh yeah it is ] ;B[lo] ;W[ln]C[Syptryn [3d\]: then p4 massive gregorius: P4 Syptryn [3d\]: double sente LionelLee [5k\]: yea black showing im right Onibaku [5k?\]: Oo Renshuu02 [1k\]: F10? LionelLee [5k\]: u go black pechon [13k\]: P13 Alternate [?\]: p4 over ix7 [7k\]: who is leading? RyuuGan [1d\]: p4 now is cool surmezur [6d\]: black delay c15 liebesleid [2d\]: o6? pechon [13k\]: w p13 luciangela [5k\]: a16 sente luciangela [5k\]: for w Onibaku [5k?\]: C 15 pinpingho [-\]: o6 ix7 [7k\]: can somebody 5-7d-ish explain? Onibaku [5k?\]: B uguryldz [-\]: o6 mi1 [1k\]: n5 ] ;B[ce]C[ix7 [7k\]: b has got more territory, isn't that right? yamashitaK [5d\]: haha Jinghua [7k\]: ............ ] ;W[ka]C[Luna86 [9k\]: what the.... Shedal [2d\]: P4 is huge luciangela [5k\]: 018 Jinghua [7k\]: ridiculous Syptryn [3d\]: no p4? Hand [1k\]: well thats sente Hand [1k\]: so Jinghua [7k\]: o18 Feanor [1k\]: huge one too yuuki [7k\]: Kill it, Artem ! XD Optician [1k\]: no choice here ix7 [7k\]: it's alive Feanor [1k\]: black cannot ignore Hand [1k\]: o18 m18 l18 p4 HowAbout [3d\]: p4 not huge? LionelLee [5k\]: sente moves 1st? ] ;B[nb]C[ccw1995: ohohoh feverer: well this seems urgent ^^ Syptryn [3d\]: ? Feanor [1k\]: not as huge as l19 threat Feanor [1k\]: not nearly Jinghua [7k\]: I dont see the need for C15 ] ;W[sh]C[Syptryn [3d\]: ah luciangela [5k\]: p4 now Shipper [3k\]: M18 sente as well Hand [1k\]: haha Renshuu02 [1k\]: F10 needs to be answer too Renshuu02 [1k\]: answered* Hand [1k\]: artem do not agree yamashitaK [5d\]: w plays a very good endgame Onmyoji [-\]: lol LugPaj [2d\]: t 12 nice deft [3d\]: C15 was about points, not about life yamashitaK [5d\]: artem can win F525 [15k\]: With M18 B would have just one eye, no? LionelLee [5k\]: yea t12 is good Xebo [4d\]: yes - w endgame nice Feanor [1k\]: m18 l18 Shedal [2d\]: P4 is so huge now.. ] ;B[si]C[CBlue [3d?\]: t12 is mad sente ] ;W[sg] ;B[qj]C[CBlue [3d?\]: awesome Onibaku [5k?\]: P4 dM01 [4k\]: p4! RyuuGan [1d\]: c15 1 pts gote p4 much bigger Syptryn [3d\]: m18 first Hand [1k\]: m18 RyuuGan [1d\]: m18 RyuuGan [1d\]: fires RyuuGan [1d\]: *first alpi [1d\]: q5 LionelLee [5k\]: m5 1st Feanor [1k\]: c15 3 pts fekand3 [1d\]: a17? luciangela [5k\]: m18= 1 point LionelLee [5k\]: n5 1st Feanor [1k\]: but still gote LionelLee [5k\]: b4 p4 Hand [1k\]: a6 3 points no? N4KED [1d\]: p4 not that big donner [1d\]: w c15 5 points deft [3d\]: P6? Xebo [4d\]: p4 got for white Onmyoji [-\]: m18 RyuuGan [1d\]: m18 = 1 pt sente Shipper [3k\]: 1 point in sente Smilogo [6k\]: c15 was about live i think? igoyametai [4d\]: looks like a .5 game ogokon [4k?\]: Sente points. Feanor [1k\]: m18 MidNReaper [2d\]: why r10 and not r9? dresu [-\]: a6 nothing RyuuGan [1d\]: m18 l12 HowAbout [3d\]: q6 not good ideA? RyuuGan [1d\]: for w goIngo [-\]: 0.5 or 1.5 for white dM01 [4k\]: yea they did m18 ] ;W[lb]C[luciangela [5k\]: n5 gdghgjd [2d\]: why not black r9 ? nanok [?\]: doesn't m18 kill o19? Optician [1k\]: less ko threats for w ] ;B[kb] ;W[on]C[gdghgjd [2d\]: both are in byoyomi? N4KED [1d\]: yeah this is bigger than p4 Psykeeper [?\]: I would avoid competing in go just to not hear that annoying clock LionelLee [5k\]: cool LugPaj [2d\]: w w mafutrct [-\]: kim needs to win or i'll lose 5 € N4KED [1d\]: force b to capture 2 stones Jinghua [7k\]: lol Onmyoji [-\]: lol luciangela [5k\]: q5 Alternate [?\]: b still leads ] ;B[pn]C[CBlue [3d?\]: wow, w+0.5 :-p adiida [3k\]: isn't l12 sente enough ? Feanor [1k\]: wave your 5 € goodbye :p Alternate [?\]: b still 2-3 p Feanor [1k\]: (I hope) ^^ sameasyou [2d\]: p4 deft [3d\]: O6 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: very very close eatramen [22k\]: Q6 was so good beefree2: counting now AirForce61 [5d?\]: how long the byo yomi is? Feanor [1k\]: 1 min CBlue [3d?\]: p4 maybe flashback [7d\]: b wins :/ Syptryn [3d\]: o6 or o5 A1R [4k\]: 30sec AirForce61 [5d?\]: thx fekand3 [1d\]: a17, d19 N4KED [1d\]: p4 ugly move adiida [3k\]: l12 Karnesun [5d\]: Euro, how about Dyner? adiida [3k\]: then think some more MidNReaper [2d\]: b wins yes! not :/ Q161 [?\]: flashback take over for w and help him out EuroGoTV1 [-\]: dinerchtein is waiting for the result of this game Gomueller [1d\]: yes b wins EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if artem loses he loses sameasyou [2d\]: Dinerstein won? Ameise [2d\]: ilya lost ? Karnesun [5d\]: does Alex won? ogokon [4k?\]: Ilya won. Alternate [?\]: very wise eurogo ^^ cherisse [1k\]: yey ix7 [7k\]: with how many points is b leading? Feanor [1k\]: so its iliya or artem? Targund [-\]: ofc Ilya won) CBlue [3d?\]: can w get e1 if he o6 now? Onibaku [5k?\]: 2-3 yuuki [7k\]: If Artem loses, Ilia champion ? catsoldier [6k\]: not getting first place is not "losing" Ameise [2d\]: yes ! Psykeeper [?\]: actually it is MidNReaper [2d\]: eurogoTV what was the price for winning rapid tournament? can you see them from egc site somewhere?` Q161 [?\]: yes it is ] ;W[op]C[avio [2d\]: typical, eurogo N4KED [1d\]: o6 RyuuGan [1d\]: p7 AirForce61 [5d?\]: p7 luciangela [5k\]: o5 Alternate [?\]: its 2,5 for b sameasyou [2d\]: p7 sente pechon [13k\]: b laetishia [3d\]: its so close... Q161 [?\]: also eurogo, what did you mean "if he loses he loses"? roamer [1k\]: 0 points there... pechon [13k\]: b O6 ogokon [4k?\]: The top players in Europe are good. I'd like to see US v. Euro. CBlue [3d?\]: e1 for b mi1 [1k\]: if he loses and Ilya win then ilya first place ] ;B[nn]C[sameasyou [2d\]: top players in US are all asian Jinghua [7k\]: who wins the tournament if artem loses? Shipper [3k\]: Europe would clobber US Feanor [1k\]: shikshin Draak [1d\]: b 3.5 so sad cherisse [1k\]: but artem is winning this. deng! eatramen [22k\]: US vs Eur would be interesting, but i think Eur would win ] ;W[om]C[Q161 [?\]: no way pechon [13k\]: b N5 Q161 [?\]: us has myung wan 9p ogokon [4k?\]: Top players in US are American, don't be ignorant. MidNReaper [2d\]: o5 N4KED [1d\]: B win! ] ;B[no] ;W[mo]C[Q161 [?\]: he would beat all of europe BALLZ [3k\]: depends on number of players and matchup too -.- Jinghua [7k\]: oooo ] ;B[po]C[Alternate [?\]: he messed it up with g5 bad luck but too greedy Psykeeper [?\]: top players are asian ~_~ F525 [15k\]: I read "don't be ignorant" in a Michael Jackson voice. LionelLee [5k\]: h19... RyuuGan [1d\]: g13 ? Feanor [1k\]: l12 LionelLee [5k\]: how big is it Jinghua [7k\]: great reduction by b luciangela [5k\]: r9 LionelLee [5k\]: 2 pt or 3 pt gote N4KED [1d\]: p4 super ugly roamer [1k\]: b gote w won rayphen [7k\]: A 17 andy1975 [1d\]: h19 big McLean [?\]: there were US vs EURO matches 5:5 ] ;W[kh] ;B[lh]C[Feanor [1k\]: f10 ? roamer [1k\]: yeah artem champion :) Hand [1k\]: b ahead EuroGoTV1 [-\]: g13 Jinghua [7k\]: I think US would beat euro easily ix7 [7k\]: f10 eatramen [22k\]: 9p can lose to amas you know, it has happened before luciangela [5k\]: e1 fisz [-\]: g13=j1 cherisse [1k\]: SE says w is ahead Feanor [1k\]: euro > usd Jinghua [7k\]: BBW is a notch stronger than Roln... LugPaj [2d\]: k1 yuuki [7k\]: Not Tartrate lol N4KED [1d\]: g13 big LionelLee [5k\]: i think h19 is 3 points gote Syptryn [3d\]: g13 or e1 ogokon [4k?\]: It would be fune to see, Jing. luciangela [5k\]: E1 Psykeeper [?\]: this is the start of world war 3 right here Pische [-\]: artem won finally Zitrone [1k\]: f10 Q161 [?\]: except myung wan is undefeated in aga ogokon [4k?\]: fun* Gizensha [?\]: CBlue [3d?\]: F10? EuroGoTV1 [-\]: euro passportholders vs US passportholders? Shipper [3k\]: f10 Alternate [?\]: se is an artem-fan CBlue [3d?\]: or G13 rather pechon [13k\]: O7 Goreon [2d\]: Ilya finished already? Syptryn [3d\]: h-19only 1 pt I think seikenguy [-\]: Looks like b won. BALLZ [3k\]: americaborn vs europeborn BALLZ [3k\]: ! misha91 [2d\]: w+2,5 Onmyoji [-\]: yes RyuuGan [1d\]: h19 1pt sente sameasyou [2d\]: that is not americans vs europeans Feanor [1k\]: yes, h19 is 1 pt AAbadbeat [8k\]: take only people that were born in US and live in US then EU wins otherwise US wins :P Onmyoji [-\]: europe easy win ] ;W[gg]C[luciangela [5k\]: w + 1,5 mybe kyzma84 [3k\]: b+3 sameasyou [2d\]: yup EuroGoTV1 [-\]: winning move Syptryn [3d\]: e1 is 2 pts reverse sente Nickless [2d\]: double rainbow all the way across the sky Galleon [?\]: Harry, who won the second board game? Nickless [2d\]: so intense ledeiR [3d?\]: sente ?? Syptryn [3d\]: so's G-13 CBlue [3d?\]: come on, artem Alternate [?\]: better now h19 interesting alexanderp [?\]: o7 then q7? Onibaku [5k?\]: E1 kavias [3k\]: kim Galleon [?\]: Judith wants to know :) twold [1k\]: e1 2 pts? how so? liebesleid [2d\]: aabadheat sarkozy type thinking adiida [3k\]: b by 0.5 or 1.5 it seems ] ;B[es] ;W[fs]C[NorthWind [5k\]: fantastic finale gregorius: Q8 H16 [1d\]: if gooks would play for US, they might stand a chance N4KED [1d\]: j1 gregorius: take Syptryn [3d\]: oh lol gregorius: in sente H16 [1d\]: otherwise not ogokon [4k?\]: Ban. Syptryn [3d\]: didn't even see F-1 gdghgjd [2d\]: still b+0,5 Hand [1k\]: f10 big CBlue [3d?\]: G10 pechon [13k\]: G1 ] ;B[gj]C[LionelLee [5k\]: black h10 sente LionelLee [5k\]: then h19 ] ;W[gi]C[Onmyoji [-\]: b win:(((( Onmyoji [-\]: :(((((((((((( roamer [1k\]: a6 Pische [-\]: b win?? Hand [1k\]: a6 Hand [1k\]: 16 huge? Draak [1d\]: ow w won, man endgame is difficult... Hand [1k\]: a6* ] ;B[fj]C[Pische [-\]: no ] ;W[fi]C[Pische [-\]: white is leading ] ;B[dj]C[cherisse [1k\]: seems like b is winning now Hand [1k\]: gogo a6 onegoal [3k\]: if artem loses who wins championship? yuuki [7k\]: Ilia Psykeeper [?\]: your mum ogokon [4k?\]: Illya eatramen [22k\]: ilia roamer [1k\]: a6++ Hand [1k\]: a6? Feanor [1k\]: a6 misha91 [2d\]: a6 deft [3d\]: did Ilya win his game? adiida [3k\]: black by 1.5 surmezur [6d\]: ilia lost goIngo [-\]: 76 % white Hand [1k\]: so big ix7 [7k\]: A16 Karnesun [5d\]: Euro, video work? Shedal [2d\]: B+1.5 N4KED [1d\]: but h19? hirakawade [2d?\]: +-0.5 ? Galleon [?\]: harry joehoe Feanor [1k\]: but it's only forcing... ] ;W[ei]C[ogokon [4k?\]: Illya won. ibd [5k?\]: Ingo, manyfaces? eatramen [22k\]: that was very rude and very unnecessary psykeeper adiida [3k\]: or 0.5 , depending on d8 ] ;B[is]C[Hand [1k\]: a16 IS 0 POINTS ] ;W[hs]C[Shedal [2d\]: B+0.5 Goreon [2d\]: b needs b3 and a1 adiida [3k\]: black won ogokon [4k?\]: his game* CBlue [3d?\]: so w gets H19 last one Syptryn [3d\]: h19 Xebo [4d\]: h19 gote Q161 [?\]: what was score in ilia v diner andy1975 [1d\]: w + Jinghua [7k\]: q7 rayphen [7k\]: A 17 N4KED [1d\]: h19 now alexanderp [?\]: why not o7 and q7 for b? ] ;B[js]C[Shedal [2d\]: B+1.5 yuuki [7k\]: SE not as Artem fanboy as before. beefree28: what scoring do they use? Hand [1k\]: b+0.5 hirakawade [2d?\]: +0.5 black pechon [13k\]: O7 misha91 [2d\]: a6 dM01 [4k\]: 1.5 black Hand [1k\]: a6 eatramen [22k\]: whata close game! gdghgjd [2d\]: b+1,5 Goreon [2d\]: b+.5 Shedal [2d\]: Блин :( ] ;W[dl]C[andy1975 [1d\]: w will win adiida [3k\]: b + 2.5 Zitrone [1k\]: d8 Shedal [2d\]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! gdghgjd [2d\]: d8 huge Hand [1k\]: a6 then h19 mi1 [1k\]: big ko gdghgjd [2d\]: yes! N4KED [1d\]: huge H16 [1d\]: its ing rulles right? Onibaku [5k?\]: А 7 twold [1k\]: b+1.5 cherisse [1k\]: B+2.5 ftw! mi1 [1k\]: maybe ko for match muliny [1d\]: wow.. H19 1pt? Syptryn [3d\]: huh Syptryn [3d\]: no h-19? Gizensha [?\]: japanese rules i think Hangovers [3k\]: artem hoping white not see H19? N4KED [1d\]: ko worth 2 points I think Webanim [1d\]: no komi? dresu [-\]: b can pass here and he still wins gisel [4d\]: with komi white wins Jinghua [7k\]: h19 pechon [13k\]: A15 Nutella [-\]: A6 and A4 sente for W gruszka [1d\]: h19 cherisse [1k\]: oh no :( Psykeeper [?\]: I think the fact that a chinese tea company is running a european go tournament is a good indication of who is economically superior seikenguy [-\]: B has won. ] ;B[fr] ;W[gs]C[Rekord [7k\]: or b can take p13 instead) ] ;B[dm]C[Hand [1k\]: a6 Feanor [1k\]: a16 pechon [13k\]: A16 ix7 [7k\]: j16 nanok [?\]: psykeeper :D twold [1k\]: h19 BALLZ [3k\]: isn't h19 bigger? RyuuGan [1d\]: a6 a16 same Q161 [?\]: let him troll lol Syptryn [3d\]: ya MoonWalker [1d\]: sSE doesnt count komi? ogre [2d?\]: h19 is not a ko threat read it out Zitrone [1k\]: a17 Syptryn [3d\]: but its 1 pt CBlue [3d?\]: w 54.5, b 58 ? apina [1k\]: a17 is better than a16 twold [1k\]: h19 is a point Psykeeper [?\]: the truth isnt trolling ): McLean [?\]: SE counts with komi luciangela [5k\]: a17 ko Karnesun [5d\]: За 3 доской договорняк сыграли? dM01 [4k\]: k18 andy1975 [1d\]: there are 2 kos Karnesun [5d\]: Если так быстро? twold [1k\]: in gote. so 0.5. this ko is 0.33. don't see a reason he started it too Shipper [3k\]: b + 1.5 is final score ] ;W[an]C[N4KED [1d\]: b can get seki in the center nanok [?\]: people who can count say that's all se can really count alexanderp [?\]: Karnesun, а кто там играл? Syptryn [3d\]: why are then fight over this ko when thee is H-19? ] ;B[bq] ;W[dl]C[alexanderp [?\]: Почему сразу договорняк? nanok [?\]: (i, myself, wouldn't know :) ) Karnesun [5d\]: Илья и Динер N4KED [1d\]: thats the problem for white Jinghua [7k\]: manhood ko Xebo [4d\]: no seki RyuuGan [1d\]: Кто победил? ] ;B[ha]C[ogre [2d?\]: ok i thought you guys meant that h19 was a ko threat to win the h15 stones RyuuGan [1d\]: Илья? alexanderp [?\]: Ну и какие основания обвинят Динерштейна и Илью в таких нехороших вещах? Jinghua [7k\]: yes ] ;W[dm]C[surmezur [6d\]: poor artem Surcouf [1k\]: big ko Shedal [2d\]: B+0.5 N4KED [1d\]: well if white dont defend Kayres [3k\]: se dead twold [1k\]: b has already won hirakawade [2d?\]: D7's ko is 1.5 points over. nanotech [2k\]: h19 2 pts but b still wins Feanor [1k\]: p13 surmezur [6d\]: b +.5 ] ;B[og]C[alexanderp [?\]: Я помню, как вчера украинцы радовались проигрышу Ильи. Dar00 [2d\]: seriously ? NorthWind [5k\]: W r6 a point ? ] ;W[jb]C[Hand [1k\]: se fails XD luciangela [5k\]: a17 RyuuGan [1d\]: a16 luciangela [5k\]: c18 adiida [3k\]: they broke the SE ] ;B[lb]C[luciangela [5k\]: a16 ] ;W[ng]C[BALLZ [3k\]: i don't understand why not h19 JiaZe [30k\]: 真的啊 Hand [1k\]: a16 is 0 points BALLZ [3k\]: explain please!! Dar00 [2d\]: lol se broken F525 [15k\]: Q7. Dar00 [2d\]: haha Hand [1k\]: really why? McLean [?\]: SE strikes sakyyra [9k\]: это нормиальное чувство конкуренции Onibaku [5k?\]: О7 hirakawade [2d?\]: hahaha eatramen [22k\]: all kyus are clueless.. ix7 [7k\]: A16 ko threat AirForce61 [5d?\]: r6 Dar00 [2d\]: very true ] ;B[bm]C[kyzma84 [3k\]: ко за партию ? ] ;W[am] ;B[og]C[alexanderp [?\]: согласен, но это не причина теперь обвинять в договорных матчах nodan [3d?\]: a16 is sente, h19 was gote Captcavern [4k\]: with a look back, it seems g18 m18 sequence was not big as f8 oilspil [3k\]: why didnt b respond at a4? RyuuGan [1d\]: a4 kostuek [-\]: se just resigns thats ok Psykeeper [?\]: kyus cant count squares? luciangela [5k\]: a17, a15, a19, c18 ] ;W[sm]C[luciangela [5k\]: 1 point ix7 [7k\]: ya za partiyu!!!!!!!!!!!! N4KED [1d\]: a4 make seki Surcouf [1k\]: w+1.5 ] ;B[sn]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: a4 a1 ] ;W[ng]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: no seki Hand [1k\]: w 54,5 ] ;B[qn]C[Onibaku [5k?\]: О7 Geert [?\]: b +0.5 Karnesun [5d\]: Я не обвиняю AirForce61 [5d?\]: q8 Karnesun [5d\]: я предпологаю N4KED [1d\]: yes b cant capture after a4 luciangela [5k\]: n7 hirakawade [2d?\]: Oiotoshi47 adiida [3k\]: yeah q8 fisz [-\]: b+1,5 ogokon [4k?\]: Pretty sure result depends on ko. pechon [13k\]: Q7 fekand3 [1d\]: n7 deft [3d\]: B+0.5 if W connects the ko alexanderp [?\]: Такое предположение эквивалентно обвинению. alexanderp [?\]: Нехорошо. twold [1k\]: poor artem half a point from being a champion :-) Minimus: losing the egc with 0.5p... deft [3d\]: otherwise B+1.5 ] ;W[og]C[Dita [3d?\]: nice ko threat luciangela [5k\]: n7 Shedal [2d\]: noooooooo Plunder [-\]: c18 not one point for white? ix7 [7k\]: is R6 even a ko threat? Kayres [3k\]: ?! Hand [1k\]: b ahead H16 [1d\]: NOO BeaRFreaK [2k\]: ouch HelloQtion [-\]: ? Nickless [2d\]: hey do you know what happend yesterday in game rob vs diner ? natillas [5d\]: ??????????? Draak [1d\]: uh? Karnesun [5d\]: ааааа adiida [3k\]: q8 Syptryn [3d\]: ggg Psykeeper [?\]: lol Shedal [2d\]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! mmmd [2k?\]: argh IstTengen [3k\]: q8 nodan [3d?\]: q8 hirakawade [2d?\]: Q8 BALLZ [3k\]: resign adiida [3k\]: what a blunder BALLZ [3k\]: ! Karnesun [5d\]: неееееееееееееееееееттттттттттттттттттттт ] ;B[pl] ;W[pm]C[nanok [?\]: gnugo says b+6.5 (which is probably what is behind SE anyway) ] ;B[qk]C[Gigot [2k\]: dame? Shedal [2d\]: umm Shedal [2d\]: ummm sakyyra [9k\]: Артем стараеться это главное, пофиг что ща у других в голове Shedal [2d\]: WTF Morbo [5k\]: Pff. ] ;W[mm] ;B[pl]C[dresu [-\]: rob lost on time alexanderp [?\]: Да, да, да! ] ;W[pk]C[N4KED [1d\]: art UM Dar00 [2d\]: can someone give me the link to the broadcast ?!!! dresu [-\]: and a referee was a moron H16 [1d\]: -1 point... dM01 [4k\]: w + .5 deft [3d\]: W lost it anyway ] ;B[nq]C[RyuuGan [1d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast (+betting on the next move) of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1 Dar00 [2d\]: tx seikenguy [-\]: This game is too bugged, SE can't even count. luciangela [5k\]: a17 ogokon [4k?\]: Well, B+ now. seikenguy [-\]: Broken game. ] ;W[io]C[Onibaku [5k?\]: А16 ] ;B[ae]C[NorthWind [5k\]: whoa 700 obervers ] ;W[ee]C[goIngo [-\]: white lost in endgame RobertT [1k\]: SE can count? since when? Shedal [2d\]: nooooooo H16 [1d\]: b+1,5... lowiq [1k\]: lol, se not ment to count ] ;B[cb] ;W[ac]C[MohamedBM [4k?\]: w A4? ogre [2d?\]: did ilia win his game? luciangela [5k\]: a1 lowiq [1k\]: SE = scroe ESTIMATOR ] ;B[hd]C[AirForce61 [5d?\]: b+0.5! ] ;W[lf] ;B[jg] ;W[ig]C[rayphen [7k\]: a4 doesnt work for seki luciangela [5k\]: b must a1 surmezur [6d\]: b +.5 adiida [3k\]: yeah , by 0.5 fisz [-\]: 2,5 RyuuGan [1d\]: a4 a1 fisz [-\]: B+2,5 natillas [5d\]: the world sucks N4KED [1d\]: a4 lose 5 points! Onmyoji [-\]: poor artem natillas [5d\]: there are no reasons to live roamer [1k\]: a4! surmezur [6d\]: the random korean won Pische [-\]: is it seki? Shedal [2d\]: :( Pische [-\]: why? Shedal [2d\]: :( zakatan [6k\]: what's wrong with a4? Onmyoji [-\]: :( Zairex [1k\]: seki RyuuGan [1d\]: lol? where is seki? zakatan [6k\]: a4 a1? cherisse [1k\]: lol random korean lowiq [1k\]: lol Syptryn [3d\]: so random korean who we didn't know win? N4KED [1d\]: if b play a4 it would be seki lowiq [1k\]: and you are 1k? hvk [-\]: B1.5 lowiq [1k\]: and 1d?:)) N4KED [1d\]: a random kgs trick play rayphen [7k\]: where is seki? lets make it clear...am i blind? gisel [4d\]: if ba4 then he is dead CBlue [3d?\]: if b play a4, b would be dead Kayres [3k\]: b a4 is self atari Hiridur [1d\]: vitut Pikku-Jussi mikää randomi on!!!! ibd [5k?\]: b a4 is selfatari Feanor [1k\]: b a4 now is self-atari NorthWind [5k\]: they are counting ibd [5k?\]: noobs roamer [1k\]: but b had to add stone Suvi [1d\]: hiridur, siisti suus yuuki [7k\]: Dont feed the troll lol Altist [1d\]: a4 c1 lol roamer [1k\]: at a1 Geert [?\]: eurogotv, who won the Ilya-Alex game? yulia [10k\]: harry DuckRoll [?\]: a4 is die in sente Feanor [1k\]: a4 makes seki as a response to a6 EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+0.5 beefree26: !@&*O^#*(@&#^(*&@#^(*&@#^ alexanderp [?\]: !!! Shedal [2d\]: NOOOOOOOOOOOO! roamer [1k\]: if w a4 b a1 RobertT [1k\]: a4= the divine move Karnesun [5d\]: неееттттттттттттттттттттттттт NorthWind [5k\]: noooooooo sameasyou [2d\]: too bad ogokon [4k?\]: What a good game. Moppel: yay cherisse [1k\]: wow! so... who's the champ? beefree26: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Shedal [2d\]: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! luciangela [5k\]: 감사합니다 Kim Feanor [1k\]: because of p13 mistake? Geert [?\]: very exciting Feanor [1k\]: pity ogokon [4k?\]: Yeah. sameasyou [2d\]: Ilya is the champion then fisz [-\]: NOOOO AHUEA [2d?\]: +0.5? Dita [3d?\]: omg Hiridur [1d\]: Go Pikku-Jussi Go!! uguryldz [-\]: b+0,5 Jalanko [4k\]: so I guess ilia won mi1 [1k\]: what about diner vs ilya ? Dar00 [2d\]: artem soooooo disappointed ! AHUEA [2d?\]: they counted in bottom left too? Psykeeper [?\]: 44 black 43.5 white bolbi [-\]: thax eurogotv, congrats to all players Onibaku [5k?\]: B win Onmyoji [-\]: :((((((((((((( N4KED [1d\]: YIPPIEE dM01 [4k\]: dinner sounds good. Q161 [?\]: woot ww [?\]: if w played a4 in the end, he would have won ? Dita [3d?\]: ignoring that last b move cost the game :) N4KED [1d\]: !!!! Syptryn [3d\]: ouch hirakawade [2d?\]: Congratulations to Korea !!! N4KED [1d\]: !1!! Q161 [?\]: go ilia!! surmezur [6d\]: thx euro N4KED [1d\]: yes misha91 [2d\]: :( Xenzenshu [5k\]: great game both. yulia [10k\]: harry wie won bij het tweede ord mi1 [1k\]: is Ilya champion ? jhdw [2k\]: if white played a4 white won 0.5 roamer [1k\]: but what about a1??? Kayres [3k\]: ?! adiida [3k\]: no Kayres [3k\]: a4 no pt? ogokon [4k?\]: Artem had a great first year at the congress. ^^ adiida [3k\]: they counted that in already eatramen [22k\]: GOOD GAME! ww [?\]: if white played a4 he would have won the go congress SanekFree [7k\]: a4 Kayres [3k\]: k Psykeeper [?\]: his face is like :| AHUEA [2d?\]: they counted a4 a1 in right? Kayres [3k\]: y adiida [3k\]: yeah Zairex [1k\]: ilmeeni kun cherisse [1k\]: poor artem ogre [2d?\]: artem will become champion AHUEA [2d?\]: kk ogokon [4k?\]: Poor Artem, though. :-( Grats to Illya. :-) ogre [2d?\]: just not this year twold [1k\]: don't be stupid everyone. you think 7ds won't notice atari? Syptryn [3d\]: poor artem CBlue [3d?\]: erm, artem did win the congress, no? Psykeeper [?\]: artm :| asian guy :D ] ;B[as]C[sameasyou [2d\]: no ogokon [4k?\]: No. Kickchon [?\]: official result is ? Syptryn [3d\]: a 9p missed it :D strong10k [-\]: the other guy couldnt help but to smile sameasyou [2d\]: Ilya SOS is much better Syptryn [3d\]: check youtube ogokon [4k?\]: He placed second or third. Kayres [3k\]: b+ 0.5 yulia [10k\]: HARRY AHUEA [2d?\]: after what i saw yasuhiro did few years back EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B+0.5 Onibaku [5k?\]: B on MohamedBM [4k?\]: no handshake? :P XxTerryxX [3k\]: a4 is 1point ..... black wins then with 0,5 ....so it doesnt matter sameasyou [2d\]: Artem second Onibaku [5k?\]: B won ogre [2d?\]: did ilia win his game? Onmyoji [-\]: arte, champion next year CBlue [3d?\]: oh right, pfft Draak [1d\]: what did ilya do? sameasyou [2d\]: who won between Burzo and Mero? hirakawade [2d?\]: Artem is young, so he has many good future. yulia [10k\]: 2e bord Itch [5k\]: still playing ? SanekFree [7k\]: Artem the best Suvi [1d\]: we'll publish the results as soon as we have them topfar [1d\]: W wins 0.5 pt? luciangela [5k\]: artem and illia best boys Suvi [1d\]: patience bikle [5k\]: Who won the tournament ? adiida [3k\]: what did Taranu did? nooos [14k?\]: wasnt N18 group dead for a while if w had taken m18? ogokon [4k?\]: B by half a point. Hangovers [3k\]: artem the best Shedal [2d\]: 0.5! That should be a shock for Artem :( Syptryn [3d\]: ykes kavias [3k\]: Eurogo we want more results Syptryn [3d\]: so if white didn't make final yosue mistake Daoloth [-\]: should be 7 komi :| strong10k [-\]: b+.5, go use SE Syptryn [3d\]: he would have won Smorchok [1d?\]: Sorry? what about Ilya? eatramen [22k\]: well i can get to sleep at night now N4KED [1d\]: haha Syptryn [3d\]: gah cherisse [1k\]: great that illia won, was rooting for him, plus poor player was sick most of the days lol kavias [3k\]: please N4KED [1d\]: kyu players Syptryn [3d\]: poor artem Syptryn [3d\]: didn't see Q8 ogokon [4k?\]: He connected that ko too fast. >< Onibaku [5k?\]: B 0.5 point won) Syptryn [3d\]: he had plenty of threats :( N4KED [1d\]: didnt change the result ogre [2d?\]: or did kim junhyeop win the tournament? ogokon [4k?\]: Yes, it did. CBlue [3d?\]: so, any discussion about g5 yet? >_> Plunder [-\]: nice.... It's been too long a Europan won the European go congress :P Captcavern [4k\]: i think j18 at m14, then f8, with win goIngo [-\]: eurogotv1 left us? deft [3d\]: the ko threat of B was worth nothing N4KED [1d\]: white had no threats lisamon: how did Ilya play or is he still playing? SenYuki [3d\]: w should have won the ko deft [3d\]: B captured 2 stones, W captured 2 stones cherisse [1k\]: no parting words from eurogotv :( eatramen [22k\]: it's been a great tournament kuruhuru9 [6k\]: gартия закончилась? deft [3d\]: W was right to connect at P13 LugPaj [2d\]: the ko didnt matter ww [?\]: I guess they will broadcast the present ceremony at eurogotv1 stream in 1hour... the problem just is that it currently does not work in some places cherisse [1k\]: i'll miss watching these exciting matches but life goes on beerslayer [-\]: so is the official result black wins by one half point LugPaj [2d\]: w was lst .5 kuruhuru9 [6k\]: кто чемпионом стал? lisamon: who won on the 3rd board? nanok [?\]: more like b+6.5 lydia10 [1k\]: q18 is the losing move 2 early 2 play NorthWind [5k\]: a fitting finale to a great tournament but wrong result. many thanks to all the EuroGoTV folks and all you great kibbers N4KED [1d\]: Artem created alot of weak groups Jinghua [7k\]: wrong result? N4KED [1d\]: no doubt he should lose kuruhuru9 [6k\]: who champion? N4KED [1d\]: Iyla I believe yuuki [7k\]: Ilia champion it seems Daoloth [-\]: this should have been a jigo at least kuruhuru9 [6k\]: did he win? lisamon: how did Ilya play today? Alternate [?\]: stupid ko mistake bad luck avio [2d\]: p13 was ok. actually was the last point on the board N4KED [1d\]: and can white win the ko?? Shedal [2d\]: why isn't komi 7,5? Captcavern [4k\]: what about j18 Flashback ? zife [-\]: shedal, japanese rules zife [-\]: komi is 7.5 in chinese & ing Shedal [2d\]: ING has komi 8 zife [-\]: it's effectively same as 7,5 N4KED [1d\]: not ing N4KED [1d\]: though adiida [3k\]: yeah , but black wins the tie\\ yuuki [7k\]: Will Eurogotv1 transmit the ceremony in a hour really ? adiida [3k\]: so same as 7.5 N4KED [1d\]: yep yuuki [7k\]: Awesome i_i deft [3d\]: I think the last place W could have made a variation was G5 N4KED [1d\]: which is almost the same as 6.5 japanese deft [3d\]: the rest of the moves all seem like only moves Onibaku [5k?\]: so sad for white Onmyoji [-\]: i count b+0.5 Onibaku [5k?\]: B win 0.5 point adiida [3k\]: what did catalin taranu do? N4KED [1d\]: artem strong at reading but poor at go adiida [3k\]: or cornel ? Onmyoji [-\]: lol MidNReaper [2d\]: does jung win the whole tournament by winning this game?` Onibaku [5k?\]: yes Jalanko [4k\]: no N4KED [1d\]: not if Iyla won ilxor [?\]: c5 and d6 were a diversion - w could have h8 striaght away to protect the centre Onmyoji [-\]: artem only 1 point away from winning the tournament N4KED [1d\]: if Iyla won then he won the tournament MidNReaper [2d\]: did he win then? avio [2d\]: for the tournament winner we have to wait for the SOS N4KED [1d\]: artem will get like 3rd or 4th not sure what the other players did MidNReaper [2d\]: ah so the result will take an hour at least N4KED [1d\]: because artem is 6dan he played weaker players N4KED [1d\]: so not as much sos points lisamon: who won on the 3rd board? rinpa [1d\]: both started in the top group N4KED [1d\]: somebody said that Iyla won but who knows if thats legit Onmyoji [-\]: maybe artem gets promoted to 7d N4KED [1d\]: if he did then he won the tournament adiida [3k\]: what did catalin taranu and cornel do/ adiida [3k\]: ? HandA [1k\]: result? and who won the whole tournament? N4KED [1d\]: I believe Iyla HandA [1k\]: result of this game? N4KED [1d\]: Jung Hyop won by .5 KOCMOHABT [-\]: did Ilya won? ogre [2d?\]: i wanted ilia to win the tourament HandA [1k\]: poor Artem omg... N4KED [1d\]: Somebody said that he won N4KED [1d\]: who knows though ogre [2d?\]: nobody knows if he beat diner or lost? mi1 [1k\]: Ilya and Artem both deserved to win this tournament HandA [1k\]: every play 9 games right? MidNReaper [2d\]: why? ogre [2d?\]: ilia lost to diner today? N4KED [1d\]: only 1 person said the Iyla won Diner nanok [?\]: artem will definetly exit with a 7d rating though (?) mi1 [1k\]: Artem should be promoted to 7d, Ali to 6d N4KED [1d\]: who knows maybe he will get his dream of becoming pro? adiida [3k\]: ali not 6d already ? nanok [?\]: yes, ali was impressive too mi1 [1k\]: he is 5d ogre [2d?\]: its cause ali didnt play enough games yet N4KED [1d\]: young players are often under rated ogre [2d?\]: i dono what they started his rank at N4KED [1d\]: older players can be overrated ogre [2d?\]: it just go by game wins and losses. not tournament placings N4KED [1d\]: I think so ogre [2d?\]: and it doesnt matter for open tournament what your rank is lisamon: who won? ogre [2d?\]: all game is even handi N4KED [1d\]: although pro ranks can increase by tournament results N4KED [1d\]: even ogre [2d?\]: i dont think euro go works that way tho nanok [?\]: lisamon: b N4KED [1d\]: it will be interesting to see how the pro system works in europe nanok [?\]: i'm curious, will there be a per-country ranking (just for statistical purposes, not fro prizes) pechon [13k\]: o.o N4KED [1d\]: doubt it nanok [?\]: seems some countries were better represented than others ogre [2d?\]: you can compile your own statistical ranking if you want ogre [2d?\]: information you need is published ogre [2d?\]: http://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/ N4KED [1d\]: white only had 3 threats right N4KED [1d\]: b had way more threats N4KED [1d\]: so dropping the ko didnt change the result avio [2d\]: Artem defeated two 7 dan, lost against 2 koreans but didn't play Diner, Catalin and Pop. avio [2d\]: Ilya played against all the 7 dan lisamon: did Ilya win today? avio [2d\]: no answer N4KED [1d\]: looks like artem could have won N4KED [1d\]: That I can remember N4KED [1d\]: not sure about the first round Excalibor [-\]: this was so close! N4KED [1d\]: oh b actually dropped the ko N4KED [1d\]: and still won N4KED [1d\]: b +1.5 with the ko N4KED [1d\]: but he abandoned it and won with .5 N4KED [1d\]: cause he threw in HandA [1k\]: what's the tournament code? ])