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RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[European Go Congress board 2 round 7]PW[Alexandre Dinerchtein]PB[Ondrej Silt]WR[3p]BR[6d]DT[2010-08-03]PC[Tampere, Finland]US[Liselot]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: Also you have to consider that mostly only local people would want to do this because to go to a tournament from distance and paying for it you surely want to play (unless you are Harry ^^)
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;B[dc]C[usagi [1d\]: Why don't they just hire someone?
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;W[dp]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: goodmorning
Shedal [2d\]: morning
milarepa [4d\]: camera is off ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Harry i busy with i
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: t
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;B[pq]
;W[pd]
;B[ce]
;W[qo]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i don't think it's going to ork
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: work
Maulwurf [-\]: pairing is up http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r7.txt
sheeryjay [2k\]: you can get people who finished their games to transcribe (if they don't have to do it all day) but they can't do the start of games because they are not there
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;B[pm]C[McLean [?\]: who won?
maminti [5k\]: and how was csaba diong?
matjet [1d\]: difficult to get colunteers for managing the broadcast in australia. given the open tournament only has ~3-4 players
altrecop [1k\]: w
sheeryjay [2k\]: Alexander Dinerstein won
McLean [?\]: thx
matjet [1d\]: 30-40*
feyodora [14k\]: huhwow
sheeryjay [2k\]: usagi, not easy to hire people, costs money ...
feyodora [14k\]: how bot kang? did she lose?
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;W[oo]
;B[np]C[eatramen [21k\]: last we got info she was losing, i dont think her game is quite dome yet tho
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;W[lo]
;B[no]
;W[on]
;B[qp]
;W[nn]
;B[ro]
;W[qn]
;B[rn]
;W[qm]C[Shedal [2d\]: Why is this game translated? Kang and Kim have only 1 defeat each, while Dinerchtein and Silt have 2 each.
sheeryjay [2k\]: because board 2
Shedal [2d\]: So why is it board 2?
sheeryjay [2k\]: and also Europeans, you should be interested more about games of Europeans than Koreans
sheeryjay [2k\]: Pairing system
Shedal [2d\]: well, that might be the reason, yes
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yeah because of the pariring system
NorthWind [5k\]: still no board1 relay :(
hadlar [5d?\]: i would like black here if he didn't owe a move at m3
lance123 [-\]: are they reviewing a game?
just9x9 [-\]: how was ilya vs artem?
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;B[jc]C[hadlar [5d?\]: m3 here
kryft [1k\]: Interesting fuseki for Dinerchtein. We're already at move 20, and he has no secure territory yet. :)
Bembelbote [-\]: no relay of borad 1 today?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: some connection problems there
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Harry is rebooting his laptop
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: trying to fix it
sheeryjay [2k\]: for a while I heard audio from this video transcription
Bembelbote [-\]: ok :)
zakatan [6k\]: artem won
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;W[cj]C[hadlar [5d?\]: now i like black
hadlar [5d?\]: if he does m3 here
StefanRadu [1k\]: f3
hadlar [5d?\]: no! m3!
sheeryjay [2k\]: what would be proper response to F3? A pincer or D6?
Am [5d\]: xnj nj ctlyz c nhfyckzwbzvb yt nj
Am [5d\]: что то седня с трансляциями не то
Am [5d\]: во первых они не на верху.
Am [5d\]: во вторых они идут плохо.
Am [5d\]: в третьихъ нет картинки
Am [5d\]: мне кажется, что здесь заговор
Shedal [2d\]: первая доска вообще не транслируется уже
Shedal [2d\]: хотя сначала было все нормально
Am [5d\]: а картинку кто нидь видел?
hadlar [5d?\]: i'd do a tight pincer to take sente, but if black came out with f4, then i'd play the e3 variant
Shedal [2d\]: да, на первой была картинка, и звук тоже
Shedal [2d\]: но сейчас пропало
Am [5d\]: блин.....
Am [5d\]: не любят нас здесь!
Lake [11k\]: главное чтоб транскрибировалось сюда
Xodd [13k\]: did alex win yesterday?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he lost
Xodd [13k\]: ah ty
Xodd [13k\]: had to go when it was getting interesting :(
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: you can still see the game in archive of eurgotv
eatramen [21k\]: i hope alex wins today =)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it was a nice game i think
Medice [-\]: you can view the yesterday's game from eurogotv2's gamelist
Medice [-\]: second latest demo
Blitzcore [3d\]: i vote for w
hgh01 [16k\]: hi EuroGoTV where is the Video stream do you have a link?  thx
usagi [1d\]: Why is breakfast on board 2 when he has 2 losses? Shouldn't the girl be on board 2? I am not complaining, only confused
Luna86 [9k\]: usagi I think they place people to board by looking at the higher ranked player
N4KED [1d\]: We want Ms. Kang!
N4KED [1d\]: not breakfast
usagi [1d\]: I dunno I like breakfast now
just9x9 [-\]: why is diner on board two? he lost 2 games
avio [2d\]: i guess they switch the second and third boards just because there are lot's of europeans interested to watch them
Shedal [2d\]: I think there are now a lot of Kang's fans
H16 [1d\]: nobody cares  the about the koreans...
Fredegas [4d\]: silent ! :) this game is better, than 10 of Kangs
Shedal [2d\]: umm, why is it better? :)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's Ondrej's birthday today today
Tristero [2d\]: artem won
just9x9 [-\]: by how much?
zakatan [6k\]: +res
AhSayuni [4d\]: Artem won!
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;B[ei]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: - today
Shedal [2d\]: oh, and you made him play?!
erna [7k\]: Do we know b from kgs?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yeah, i was done waiting, i told him to play
Shedal [2d\]: He should've won as a gift :)
Fredegas [4d\]: Shedal - right. Now, how to do it, if mr. Dinerchtein will refuse to cooperate :)
usagi [1d\]: aah.. video feed on ustream is black
yakotaki [-\]: fast breakeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr !!!!! 
just9x9 [-\]: thx
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;W[dh]C[eatramen [21k\]: wait kang is playing right now too
whatisgo [2d\]: who choses which games to broadcast ? ( i know breakfast is a favorit but at the moment he is at 10 th place and we already seen most of his games ....)
misjoe [2k\]: aha
misjoe [2k\]: whatisgo: it´s always only board 1&2
hadlar [5d?\]: ya, break is lame
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: EuroGoTV just broadcast 1st and 2nd board
hadlar [5d?\]: i want kang
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: we don't decide the pairing
hadlar [5d?\]: king kang!!! put him on nao
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;B[eh]C[misjoe [2k\]: pairing is done with a computer program that uses 31283 parameters, including the position of the moon and the stars
eatramen [21k\]: i think you mean queen kang
hadlar [5d?\]: no! king
whatisgo [2d\]: I see , thanks
hadlar [5d?\]: because kang redefines the term king
Parsa [1k?\]: kim - kang is almost too good to miss
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;W[dg]C[eatramen [21k\]: eurogo
eatramen [21k\]: whats up with the streams
Bembelbote [-\]: I'm more interested European games actually :)
erna [7k\]: b has a kgs-nick?
Bembelbote [-\]: stream doesnt work
hadlar [5d?\]: ugh
hadlar [5d?\]: black's shape is horrible
mmmd [2k?\]: still really odd i mean burzo tormänen ... all higher placed europeans
eatramen [21k\]: how come
hadlar [5d?\]: look at it
eatramen [21k\]: it was up earlier
Bembelbote [-\]: b has or had something like Aggassi or so. don't remember the correct spelling
Parsa [1k?\]: AGASSI
erna [7k\]: thanks!
Fredegas [4d\]: agassi is longtime dead :)
hgh01 [16k\]: hi EuroGoTV wher is the video stream? please
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's not working today
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i can't fix it
hgh01 [16k\]: OK thx. But there was a stream of http://ustream.?????
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;B[eg]
;W[df]C[Bembelbote [-\]: just forget the stream
hgh01 [16k\]: :-)
DanielTom [5d\]: Dinerchtein changed his style for this congress, it seems...
Am [5d\]: what was his style before?
DanielTom [5d\]: territorial
DanielTom [5d\]: now he is playing for influence
Am [5d\]: i c...
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;B[fe]C[falloutti [1d?\]: b happy with this? o_O
falloutti [1d?\]: doesn't seem to good to me
Fredegas [4d\]: why? 
falloutti [1d?\]: weakness + that wall feels quite useless
H16 [1d\]: i dont get why b adopted this way..
Fredegas [4d\]: why that wall should be useless? builds moyo on top side. There is a weakness, thats without denial
Chuntian: R14
whatisgo [2d\]: l16
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;W[nc]C[Bembelbote [-\]: this wall would work better if K17 wasn't low but on k16
Fredegas [4d\]: true
falloutti [1d?\]: this is what I mean, the wall doesn't seem to work :F
Bembelbote [-\]: with o17 in place the wall really seems kinda useless now :) only overconcentrated now in my eyes
DanielTom [5d\]: don't forget W has a thick group too
DanielTom [5d\]: so the wall is not useless :-)
ZothOmmog [4k\]: this game looks too normal
mikan [2d\]: W is specialist at normal
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i prefer parallel games
Bembelbote [-\]: anyways, b still is ok i think. i like E11 works good for not lettingwhite make too much territory on the bottom
whatisgo [2d\]: normal=boring
Bembelbote [-\]: and in the lest
Bembelbote [-\]: *left
mikan [2d\]: normal has its place ... but not a good way to win for b
ZothOmmog [4k\]: q9
Bembelbote [-\]: q9 would only help w i think
ZothOmmog [4k\]: maybe
ZothOmmog [4k\]: definitly sente
Bembelbote [-\]: heh, true :P
Chuntian: l 4 ?
Bembelbote [-\]: i'd like to play m3, F3 or something like S16 maybe
Bembelbote [-\]: mhh, probably S16 sucks :)
DanielTom [5d\]: c3 is important here, maybe d9 press first and then invade
Chuntian: Good idea 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: not too soon for c3?
Bembelbote [-\]: right, c3 looks very nice to. should be sente so he could wedge in with m3 afterwards
Farcas [3d\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r7.txt
DanielTom [5d\]: r12 possible too
Chuntian: r12 small commpared to your first idea no ?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: c3 looks good with e11
DanielTom [5d\]: r12 is a bit tasteless, yes...
Chuntian: what about d6 ?
Trivia [2k?\]: why board is not KAng vs Kim?
Trivia [2k?\]: *board 2
ZothOmmog [4k\]: d6 looks like it would help white more than black
Elmarias [-\]: so is the video feed just audio? or is the lensecap still on?
sheeryjay [2k\]: now it's more like EuroGoTV1 pc crashed so I don't think we have even audio
DanielTom [5d\]: B can play kakari too, let's see what he does
Bembelbote [-\]: board 2 is not kang vs kim because its dinerchtein vs silt
Trivia [2k?\]: but Kang & Kim have more points
Reym [-\]: this is awkward european favoritism
hottttttt [-\]: e9 
hottttttt [-\]: e9 e9 
ZothOmmog [4k\]: ?
ZothOmmog [4k\]: whats good about e9?
hottttttt [-\]: cant let white go e9
twisted [2k\]: was e11 good move by b? looks weird
hottttttt [-\]: so black should go
sheeryjay [2k\]: It's not european favoritism, it is always broadcasters privilege to choose whom he broadcasts
H16 [1d\]: it looks definitly weird
Reym [-\]: a privilege can be used awkwardly
sheeryjay [2k\]: furthermore this is board 2 (as defined by pairing algorithm) and therefore default to be transcribed, Harry would need to change place/boards and that is unnecessary hassle
twisted [2k\]: was just to get some influence on the center?
Reym [-\]: pairing algorithm withotu a hint of human intervention of course
sheeryjay [2k\]: yes, exactly
sheeryjay [2k\]: This is completly normal behaviour of pairing algorithm
Reym [-\]: i do not blame eurgotv, very good job, but finnish organizer made a mistake
sheeryjay [2k\]: No mistake, they used approved rating program, used it well and this is the result
Bembelbote [-\]: anyway, this is the "european" go congress. so be happy to watch europeans play...
sheeryjay [2k\]: You do not have to have top players at top in raiting, actually it does not matter on which board who sits in most normal situations, only pairs matter
poirette [1d\]: everyone above 4d is considered the same level, just the top group (32 first players) are considered one rank up
holynec [?\]: b13
GoIsBoring [3d\]: s15 
Trivia [2k?\]: well I guess if people voted they would prefer Kang :0
holynec [?\]: b13 bad hmm
Reym [-\]: sad nationalism
holynec [?\]: f3
koha [1d\]: I think the pairing algorithm behaved correctly
twisted [2k\]: g3 possible?
Trivia [2k?\]: to be honest, they're not European
sheeryjay [2k\]: Reym, if you want to see strong games, you can certainly watch US. go congress games
holynec [?\]: why g3 :k
Trivia [2k?\]: for Black, right side
twisted [2k\]: gets less pressure from w
Reym [-\]: this is also a strong game here, no problem, i would just prefer people do not care if a player is european or not
Trivia [2k?\]: on the other hand. it's nice to see more variety in who we see
sheeryjay [2k\]: Well, Koreans return back to home, I want to see a player from my own country (who happens to be broadcasted) ... I don't think it's that weird
holynec [?\]: well they are being broadcasted ;\]
tyresgo: c 6
twisted [2k\]: holynec.. how would u answer g3?
holynec [?\]: e3
Trivia [2k?\]: but for some reason, Thomas Debarre is not in top group, even though he has 5 pts
holynec [?\]: maybe just d6
sheeryjay [2k\]: Trivia, isn't top group decided by pre tournament ranks?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Thomas Debarre missed first round
twisted [2k\]: then k3 leaves big b follow up
ZothOmmog [4k\]: I hope kang wears those shorts again
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he missed his flight
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;B[de]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and arrived 1 day too late at EGC
Trivia [2k?\]: so, Thomas cannot win the tournament?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: so he can't play topgroup
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: no he can't
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he won all games till now
holynec [?\]: what the heck, a commercial
holynec [?\]: O-o
Chuntian: d15?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but missed first round
usagi [1d\]: Ahh maybe its on now!!!!!!!!!!!!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he plays Ali Jabarin
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: right now
Chuntian: d15 is amistake, isn'it ?
holynec [?\]: nice
holynec [?\]: i agree with d15 :}
holynec [?\]: honte
holynec [?\]: and prepare sfor attack
Trivia [2k?\]: d15 looks very strange but i guess a high dan move
Chuntian: ok, but C7 is free for white now
twisted [2k\]: is certainly big.. but maybe a little slow
holynec [?\]: i dont see good continuation for white
holynec [?\]: o,o
holynec [?\]: f3?
mihi [6d\]: white had E16 
Trivia [2k?\]: one move that would never come to my mind
twisted [2k\]: m3?
holynec [?\]: white's shape on left is terribad
Bembelbote [-\]: D15 is honte. but isn't b totally overconcentrated now?
Trivia [2k?\]: B is strong. But all his stones are in 2 areas
holynec [?\]: a honte move isnt overconcentrated
holynec [?\]: -_-
tyresgo: Q 10
Bembelbote [-\]: why should honte not lead to overconcentrated. b seemed overconcentrated even before d15...
Trivia [2k?\]: so Dinerstein's defeat yesterday will not count towards Euro champion?
sheeryjay [2k\]: why shouldn't it count?
ciaso [3k\]: artem? which board?
maminti [5k\]: and csaba won?
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;W[dn]C[Trivia [2k?\]: agaisnt a Korean
Trivia [2k?\]: im just loving W speed
holynec [?\]: f9
sheeryjay [2k\]: It will surely count, that's why it is somewhat undesirable that Koreans are also playing .. they influence the outcome of championship
Chuntian: now diner has a big advance I suppose
holynec [?\]: hm
holynec [?\]: nvm f9 bad
holynec [?\]: r15?
Bembelbote [-\]: m3
holynec [?\]: r14
twisted [2k\]: m3 l3?
wotan123 [2d\]: m3
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;B[rd]
;W[qe]C[Bembelbote [-\]: wow,S16. was my guess before, but thought it was nonsense afterall
lance123 [-\]: how come when u click takes like 20seconds to transfer to my screen
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;B[re]
;W[rf]C[holynec [?\]: but you said that before d15; \]
Syptryn [3d\]: eh
Syptryn [3d\]: don't see this much before
Syptryn [3d\]: seems like overplay
holynec [?\]: i dont think black needed to invade
holynec [?\]: because s7 still open
Bembelbote [-\]: lol, yeah. but still. i personally don't like S16
holynec [?\]: s16 overthought
Chuntian: exactly the impression it gives yes
tapir [2d\]: the same sequence happened in the cornel dinerstein game with roles reversed, then dinersteins corner group died.
McLean [?\]: S16 is fine to me
Trivia [2k?\]: i think diner will win
lordik [9k?\]: go Ondrej, live long and prosper in the upper right corner :-)
Trivia [2k?\]: its joseki isnt it why would it die?
Deluded [1d?\]: just because something is joseki doesnt mean its good
DanielTom [5d\]: r14 now...
Trivia [2k?\]: yes but it's not a joseki for dying
tapir [2d\]: well, if black tries to cut to do sth on the outside and misses coming back in time :) at least that is what happened to breakfast.
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;B[qf]C[Trivia [2k?\]: however, i don't like W getting big outside here
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;W[qg]
;B[pf]C[DanielTom [5d\]: Dinerchtein lost the game against cornel with this joseki
holynec [?\]: this black!!!
Koukkaaja [3d\]: exactly
DanielTom [5d\]: s12 
holynec [?\]: wow, cornel beat diner?
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;W[rg]C[holynec [?\]: im glad cornel is coming up :}
koha [1d\]: yes, good game to review
DanielTom [5d\]: q17 
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i checked this from database after that match where diner blew thi sup
holynec [?\]: still think cornel should get to 8d at least =/
DanielTom [5d\]: B is not good here, in my opinion
Hellhuman [1d\]: ondrej or alex won?
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;B[pc]
;W[qc]C[DanielTom [5d\]: because Black's group will be weak
Trivia [2k?\]: how *do* you get to 8d?
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;B[qd]C[feyodora [14k\]: alex
ciaso [3k\]: which board was artem?
kjisu [9k\]: one
crizz [2k\]: 1
ciaso [3k\]: is he leading in the tournament?
ciaso [3k\]: or still ilya
ciaso [3k\]: ?
crizz [2k\]: catalin finished?
avio [2d\]: kang, catalin, pop?
usagi [1d\]: look
usagi [1d\]: right side is dead, w+res
AhSayuni [4d\]: actually with that exact opening to the q7 pincer, in pro games w has a high winning precentage
AhSayuni [4d\]: around 80%
jleone [4k\]: what about pop, do u know the result ?
Shedal [2d\]: umm, what's going on?
Shedal [2d\]: Why are we on the 41 move?
und [5k\]: who is leading now in the tournament ?
Shedal [2d\]: What's with thisgame?
AhSayuni [4d\]: Artem or Ilya or Kang
AhSayuni [4d\]: I guess
Shedal [2d\]: yeah, they only lost 1 time to each other
avio [2d\]: there will be three players on 30 points and 7 other on 29 points
Shedal [2d\]: Did Kang win today?
AhSayuni [4d\]: I think she did
AhSayuni [4d\]: not 100% sure
Shedal [2d\]: What about this game?
Shedal [2d\]: anybody?
avio [2d\]: w+R
Shedal [2d\]: ah
Shedal [2d\]: ok
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;W[pb]
;B[pe]C[holynec [?\]: by upgrading from 7d
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;W[oc]C[koha [1d\]: you win most of your games at 7 dan
DanielTom [5d\]: W got what he wanted
holynec [?\]: too bad no video
Trivia [2k?\]: W will attack this now
holynec [?\]: otherwise we might see a smirk
H16 [1d\]: q13 ?
Chuntian: r10 ?
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;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[pi]C[holynec [?\]: p11
holynec [?\]: or just o13?
holynec [?\]: ;k
Trivia [2k?\]: o13 is solid
holynec [?\]: too solid? ;\]
holynec [?\]: if o13, white will surely p11
freffenber [1d\]: n14 with n16 followup
Chuntian: o 15 maybe ?
ogolony [-\]: p11 p13 
freffenber [1d\]: n 14 later n 16
Madzilla [5d?\]: why is the match between #2 and #4 in the standings board 3 while the match between #10 and #12 is board 2???
Madzilla [5d?\]: I want to see Kim vs. Kang!
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;B[ng]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: Madzilla, it's because of pairing algorithm that chose those pairs to be on board 2
GoIsBoring [3d\]: seems like w missed smt
Madzilla [5d?\]: I ran many tournaments and the pairing always puts the highest ranked players on the top boards
xiaoMao [2d?\]: hi who leads the contest  now? for the EGC?
NschoTschi [-\]: Ilya
Madzilla [5d?\]: Ilya Shikshin
ogolony [-\]: p11 
GoIsBoring [3d\]: russians
xiaoMao [2d?\]: ah  ok
xiaoMao [2d?\]: thx
Madzilla [5d?\]: Catalin Taranu is 2nd best european at the moment
NschoTschi [-\]: Ilya only undefeated player in top group
xiaoMao [2d?\]: thought was the Korean Kyan
Madzilla [5d?\]: but he has 2 losses and Ilya is undefeated
Madzilla [5d?\]: so most likely Ilya will be the next european champion unless he suffers some collapse
tapir [2d\]: ilya shikshin and thomas debarre are the only undefeated players i reckon :)
tapir [2d\]: i would like to see them play each other
sheeryjay [2k\]: Madzilla, I have ran 1 tournament pairing and yes, I have seen this happen, you should also realize that players from super group all have same starting MMS score, their ranks don't matter at all
holynec [?\]: >:}
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;W[lc]
;B[oi]C[Lukan [5d\]: M17 so slow
mihi [6d\]:  slow but efficient:)
Lukan [4d\]: :)
holynec [?\]: m17 is necessary
holynec [?\]: lol you lost a stone lukan, with that comment
mote2: m3 was more efficient ?
holynec [?\]: weak kibitz = lose a stone
Trivia [2k?\]: lose a vip points
DanielTom [5d\]: s13 was a mistake
Madzilla [5d?\]: yes, I know that but now Kim and Kang both have MMS 29 and Dinerstein and Silt both have 28
DanielTom [5d\]: if s12 instead of s13 , after Black q13 , White can q12 p12 p13 cut
nanok [?\]: has kang lost a game in europe yet?
Madzilla [5d?\]: maybe the tournament director changed the board numbers to prioritize european players, it's the only explanation I can think of...
DanielTom [5d\]: Ilya beat kang...
Madzilla [5d?\]: yes, she lost to Ilya
holynec [?\]: dont hate the system
sheeryjay [2k\]: And yet yes, I have seen that happen, also perhaps Korean players may be happy their game is not transcribed because last time I transcribed a game the players complained about loudness of my keyboard >_<
nanok [?\]: interesting. at least there is hope :)
altrecop [1k\]: m3 makes me feel hot
holynec [?\]: must've been your breathing
nanok [?\]: get a thinkpad :P
sheeryjay [2k\]: nanok, I have a thinkpad keyboard is perfect but loud >_<
altrecop [1k\]: nanok where you from
DanielTom [5d\]: what happened to Thomas in the first round?
sheeryjay [2k\]: DanielTom, he missed his aircraft
sheeryjay [2k\]: or something like that, thus he couldn't play in first round and cannot be competing for the title
DanielTom [5d\]: too bad :-)
]
;W[oj]C[H16 [1d\]: cut!!
holynec [?\]: o10
altrecop [1k\]: danieltom, isn't m3 bigger than this?
holynec [?\]: no altrecop
holynec [?\]: sente vs big move ^^
DanielTom [5d\]: p10 is kinda urgent ;)
altrecop [1k\]: wow I see m3 and looks the biggest one
altrecop [1k\]: for both
Mipaline [6k?\]: b q10?
NotAfraid [3d\]: alexander won yesterdy?!
NotAfraid [3d\]: yesterday*
NotAfraid [3d\]: vs kang
H16 [1d\]: nope...
zife [6k\]: lost
NotAfraid [3d\]: how much?
DanielTom [5d\]: 3 points
NotAfraid [3d\]: k thx
DanielTom [5d\]: made a desperate mistake in a ko almost at the end of the game and lost 2 points
]
;B[nj]C[holynec [?\]: so still lose
DanielTom [5d\]: yes...
tapir [2d\]: the game starts looking good for black imo, white so overconcentrated on the right
holynec [?\]: i think black should aim at e9
holynec [?\]: and then l16
ekku [-\]: b short on cash
ZothOmmog [4k\]: f16
ZothOmmog [4k\]: or maybe g15
Trivia [2k?\]: i dont see what W gets here, with right side open
]
;W[pk]C[sohigh [1k\]: l15 
sohigh [1k\]: is big
ZothOmmog [4k\]: q9 too passive
ogolony [-\]: j3 ?
sohigh [1k\]: m3 is big too ;O
Deluded [1d?\]: q9 not too passive.. needed
sohigh [1k\]: r10 is also a move to consider 
DanielTom [5d\]: l16 greedy
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ondrej 1h 5min left, Alexandre 1h 51min left
]
;B[ok]
;W[pj]C[holynec [?\]: black is leaving
holynec [?\]: lleading
DanielTom [5d\]: really?
sohigh [1k\]: l15 or m3 
OttosMops [6d?\]: w feels better
FrodosGban [8k?\]: o9
]
;B[dm]C[Madzilla [5d?\]: W left side looks as good as B top and W right side as good as B bottom right, so W is leading by the area he surrounded in upper right
Madzilla [5d?\]: plus komi
holynec [?\]: what about the moyo
holynec [?\]: ^^
Madzilla [5d?\]: what moyou?
FrodosGban [8k?\]: moyo can be entered 
holynec [?\]: the middle influence
holynec [?\]: !!
sohigh [1k\]: there forre l15 would both gain terretory and stable the upper black right
sohigh [1k\]: secure *
Madzilla [5d?\]: well, it should be worth something, but not that much
GoIsBoring [3d\]: KIIIILLLL!!!!!
Madzilla [5d?\]: lets say it's worth the same as W upper right and then W is ahead by komi
GoIsBoring [3d\]: e7 
FrodosGban [8k?\]: c7
Madzilla [5d?\]: certainly my feeling is W is better here
agent0 [2k\]: hi, where can i find sgfs of previous games?
FrodosGban [8k?\]: c8
Madzilla [5d?\]: W also has some potential on the bottom
Deluded [1d?\]: with d7 i think b agrees hes behind
]
;W[dk]C[Madzilla [5d?\]: no, D7 is standard move not desperation
Deluded [1d?\]: not desperate but certainly wanting to chop things up
Deluded [1d?\]: this could get very interesting
NorthWind [5k\]: Go Artemmmmm. defeat this goblin
NorthWind [5k\]: oops wrong window :(
ogolony [-\]: c6 
Deluded [1d?\]: c6 feels natural
mictromb [1d\]: E7 :)
Kanin [-\]: whites shape on the right is insipid
Farcas [3d\]: d
Trivia [2k?\]: ilya left he seems confident
holynec [?\]: i esimate another 5 mins on this move
sohigh [1k\]: look at the game, he can`t be confident right now (:
erikk [-\]: strange, on Ustream only sound but no picture 
Prophet19 [9k\]: yeah
Prophet19 [9k\]: my feeds just sound to
erikk [-\]: problem with the camera?
]
;B[cm]C[Trivia [2k?\]: i see fine
domi999 [2k\]: what is the link for the image?
]
;W[fk]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: I don't know but if you mean video then http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV2 and only audio working
domi999 [2k\]: yes, thank you
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: 41min left Ondrej Silt and 1h 39min left Alexandre
]
;B[en]
;W[do]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: ofline for me
FrodosGban [8k?\]: i like this turn b w
]
;B[ci]C[lasnoches [2d?\]: mmh
yugen [2k\]: D 11 only move
yugen [2k\]: after E 10 white can connect E 9
lasnoches [2d?\]: so deska x)
]
;W[di]
;B[ej]
;W[ek]
;B[dj]
;W[bj]C[mictromb [1d\]: C9 ?
Trivia [2k?\]: B get 4 stones, W get lower left
WVoron [4d\]: f7
]
;B[fm]C[McLean [?\]: black desnt need 4 stones
Paddlefoot [2d\]: I prefer B
FrodosGban [8k?\]: why no video?
Trivia [2k?\]: sure lower left is bigger
Dupaaxe [?\]: B not luc safe South West
Dupaaxe [?\]: luck
]
;W[fp]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: loock
Trivia [2k?\]: tryy agaiin
Dupaaxe [?\]: lukc ?
Dupaaxe [?\]: kc00l ?
Dupaaxe [?\]: :)
FrodosGban [8k?\]: i have no video, just sound on the link
Nino [2k\]: black should help f7
McLean [?\]: refresh frodo
Dupaaxe [?\]: and that is good for w 
Trivia [2k?\]: now W gets all the bottom
Dupaaxe [?\]: But B don`t agree
McLean [?\]: no all
]
;B[bi]C[oiuzt: drunk?
lasnoches [2d?\]: yep ^^
Bruno [1d\]: w B 8
sameasyou [2d\]: now cut at d9 possible
FlatLine [5k\]: what is the idea of B ?
McLean [?\]: this will help black to escape
Bruno [1d\]: capture b 10
sameasyou [2d\]: no...c9 cut
oiuzt: f7 will get in some trouble
sgjiehui [3d?\]: b is leading
]
;W[bl]
;B[bg]C[Syptryn [3d\]: massive sacrfice
Fredegas [4d\]: I like black
Dupaaxe [?\]: some sacrifice was
oiuzt: alex too old 
oiuzt: time to retire
Dupaaxe [?\]: old ?
AURELIE46 [3d\]: ^^
]
;W[hk]C[DanielTom [5d\]: W is fine!
freffenber [1d\]: d7 group dead ?
DanielTom [5d\]: close to
oiuzt: m3
Paddlefoot [2d\]: w's potential cut at F13 is still very bad aji for b
Dupaaxe [?\]: 3 vs 4 libertis
]
;B[cq]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ondrej 21min left Dinerstein 1h 15min
DanielTom [5d\]: what is the byo-yomi?
Mikinek [5k\]: what is the byo-yomi?
McLean [?\]: I guess 1 minute per move
erikk [-\]: Heidi?
Trivia [2k?\]: byo-yomi is extra time per move once the main time has expired
Dupaaxe [?\]: something imported from chess :(
Trivia [2k?\]: B sacs E6?
kavias [3k\]: 1min byo yomi
kavias [3k\]: a single period
H16 [1d\]: g6 !
sheeryjay [2k\]: Mikinek, and you really should know that because you have played several games with that on kgs
kavias [3k\]: find in options/rules
Mikinek [5k\]: thx thx
Moin9 [3k\]: is there a live broadcast of this game?
Moin9 [3k\]: ??
Shedal [2d\]: Ilia coughed and Artem stood up
Shedal [2d\]: oops, wrong window
sheeryjay [2k\]: nope, no video :(
AhSayuni [4d\]: any news of Ali vs. Thomas?
Hellhuman [1d\]: time?
]
;W[cp]C[Syptryn [3d\]: lol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Debarre jabarin is still open game
eatramen [21k\]: i feel like they're gonna run out of time soon... EuroGoTv?
Syptryn [3d\]: Ugky shape!
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hmm
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Alex has 1h left
Wagaboo [10k\]: was there some tsuji?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Silt almost 10min left
eatramen [21k\]: ahh i see thanks
AhSayuni [4d\]: ah, thanks for the answer about Ali EuroGoTV2
JoostC [4d\]: White must kill one black group to win
Pepijn [2d\]: seems doable
Dupaaxe [?\]: or use time pressure
]
;B[im]C[JoostC [4d\]: J5?
]
;W[io]C[Mikinek [5k\]: silt how muc htime?
Pepijn [2d\]: Joost, what is the meaning behind J5? keeping pressure and making sure there will be no black moyo?
Pepijn [2d\]: I wouldnt have come up with this move (as the bottom side looks so 'vague' to me
chrpa [1k\]: j5 - pressure on j7 group and making territory
JoostC [4d\]: white m3 makes later a lot of points, it threatens to cut h7
Pepijn [2d\]: ok thanks
JoostC [4d\]: Now see how black prevents the cut; G8, H5 or J6 will make white stronger
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: ondrej 10min left
sameasyou [2d\]: b6?
]
;B[jl]C[erna [7k\]: h7?
JoostC [4d\]: After black b6 white b5 and white can still connect
JoostC [4d\]: If white H7 black G8?
Syptryn [3d\]: white bot too empty
Syptryn [3d\]: white cannot defend in it 1 move
]
;W[jk]
;B[kk]C[erna [7k\]: hmmm, no your right....
Sarcoma [11k\]: but does the connection to the rightside help?
JoostC [4d\]: white needs a move at the side and one in the corner to make territory
altrecop [1k\]: g7 makes territory :D
]
;W[jj]
;B[km]C[oiuzt: m3 is like hyuuuuuge
Sarcoma [11k\]: was that to protect the cut so black stones can escape?
]
;W[ll]C[NschoTschi [-\]: wow just met. are they both in Byoyomi
NschoTschi [-\]: ?
ogre [2d?\]: wow this game moving nice and slow
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Onmyoji [-\]: they have been playing over 4 hours???
MaxMakinen [2k\]: well, both have 2,5h of main time
A1R [4k\]: artem won!
MaxMakinen [2k\]: so 4 hours not so weird
Onmyoji [-\]: still at move 84 lol
maze [5d\]: did ali win
maze [5d\]: ?
]
;B[lk]C[sheeryjay [2k\]: the game is now visible with video (from distance) on http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
ShusakuSai [8k\]: did catalin taranu win ?
AhSayuni [4d\]: last time I asked the game was still going
sameasyou [2d\]: h7
altrecop [1k\]: g7 isn't very big yet maze?
ogre [2d?\]: wow so thats what the cameras look like
altrecop [1k\]: wg7 or bg8 
Dupaaxe [?\]: only sound
Joakim [13k\]: did ilia win?
kjisu [9k\]: no
ShusakuSai [8k\]: no
eatramen [21k\]: artem won
Joakim [13k\]: :(
Goleath [1k\]: iliea resigned
ogre [2d?\]: loud mouse
Joakim [13k\]: k, 3 pionts ahed or something?
Dupaaxe [?\]: lost 3 points in yose
LovroKlc [2k\]: what about KAng?
adiida [3k\]: more like 10
maze [5d\]: g7 is risky ...altrecop
scurge [5d\]: Laura win :)
LovroKlc [2k\]: did Kang win?
LovroKlc [2k\]: or JungHyeop?
LovroKlc [2k\]: or still playing?
hilarious [1d\]: did artem won?
LovroKlc [2k\]: Artem won
hilarious [1d\]: k thnx
NorthWind [5k\]: hey bd2 folks, we come from bd1 in peace :)
]
;W[op]
;B[oq]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: m3?
AhSayuni [4d\]: m8 leaves pretty nice aji
hilarious [1d\]: I just got here but H7 does not work?
]
;W[kl]C[LovroKlc [2k\]: o3 n3 o2 n2 n5 n4  maybe force and than attack the dragon?
AhSayuni [4d\]: k6 and stuff
LovroKlc [2k\]: or not..
fatihsulak [-\]: i smell blood
slim76 [2d\]: huge
Wagaboo [10k\]: white leads?
AhSayuni [4d\]: silly me
ogre [2d?\]: b looks safe
Aliot [3k\]: black N7 ?
sameasyou [2d\]: b in big dudu
ogre [2d?\]: well.
sameasyou [2d\]: can't connect anymore
adiida [3k\]: black dead to me
AhSayuni [4d\]: b has to sacrifice 2 stones to connect
NorthWind [5k\]: so few moves, someone fell asleep ?
gogirl [-\]: oh, ondrej is harry potter!
Dino9 [6d\]: B alive to me
slim76 [2d\]: n7 now?
AhSayuni [4d\]: actually
nanotech [2k\]: b will be ok
AhSayuni [4d\]: b can't connect like that
ogre [2d?\]: n8 m7 m6 n7 n6 o7 l6 j8 j6 
AhSayuni [4d\]: m6?
Dino9 [6d\]: l5?
mote2: what's the result of the game of the first board ?
gogirl [-\]: b will die ^^
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Artem won
ogre [2d?\]: this just look like w damage his bottom?
mote2: thx
ogre [2d?\]: what is w doing?
miao [6d\]: n7 i think
miao [6d\]: against who did artem plya?
miao [6d\]: play
zardd [11k\]: artem won by resign?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yes
arbas [3k\]: illya
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: he playted Shikshin
miao [6d\]: ok
gogirl [-\]: illia/roln111 lost, unfortunately
AhSayuni [4d\]: n7 n8 o8 n9 n10 m10 m7 l10 good?..
ogre [2d?\]: maybe w play j8 earlier
DanielFox [1k?\]: wow, go artem 
H16 [1d\]: if Ondrej win he makes it to playoff for the european champion right?
miao [6d\]: not unfortunately
miao [6d\]: artem will win the congress
miao [6d\]: =D
Goleath [1k\]: Shikshin's "cough opponent to death"-tactic worked poorly today
dawid963 [1k\]: n7
spider451 [1d\]: and that tapping
Onmyoji [-\]: maybe ilia played badly because he was sick
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Silt in Byoyomi
gogirl [-\]: not funny, the poor player was sick
onadare [2k\]: kyeong nang kang won this game ?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: she's still playiing
DanielFox [1k?\]: tefluji 
onadare [2k\]: ok
adiida [3k\]: what did Taranu do?
gogirl [-\]: who is kang playing today?
misjoe [2k\]: I don´t think Kang will win this game: she´s playing in another game
Goleath [1k\]: oh he's even laughing of his coughing himself :) why should we not laugh with him ;)
]
;B[ln]C[Dino9 [6d\]: why isn't kang on board 2?
adiida [3k\]: what did Taranu do?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Taranu is still playing
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: This is board 2 -_-'
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Kang is playing at 3rd board
Dino9 [6d\]: yes
adiida [3k\]: oh ... forgot he plays very slowly :)
Onmyoji [-\]: ur moms board 2
Dino9 [6d\]: but kang and that korean guy has 5 point, alex and ondra has 4
AhSayuni [4d\]: yeah.. but Kang and Kim are ranked higher than these
]
;W[ml]C[Goleath [1k\]: i wish Vesa Latikainen would play instead of organizing... best player of the hostland IMO :)
]
;B[ko]C[pel [1k\]: anit aint that bad either ;)
AhSayuni [4d\]: peep?
pel [1k\]: anti
NorthWind [5k\]: nice shirt Alex
AhSayuni [4d\]: Vesa stronger than Antti?
Goleath [1k\]: ok, anti's not bad either ;)
onadare [2k\]: if kang wins his game  she has 6p
onadare [2k\]: pts*
adiida [3k\]: what does the playoff consists of?
NorthWind [5k\]: arm-wrestling
adiida [3k\]: i mean,who gets to play it?
Paddlefoot [2d\]: seems J7 was not light enough
NorthWind [5k\]: 3 more rounds yet
ogre [2d?\]: hm whos ahead.
ogre [2d?\]: i kinda like b
asasas: why kang is not a pro...doesnt she take the eaxam or what?
Onmyoji [-\]: to strong enough
Onmyoji [-\]: to be pro
Onmyoji [-\]: not
eatramen [21k\]: lol
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Dino9 [6d\]: being pro is boring
avio [2d\]: i don't think there will be a play off. I heard it will be next year, which i think is a bad idea
eatramen [21k\]: i think ilia and kang are maybe 1p
sheeryjay [2k\]: Also most probably not strong enough
Dino9 [6d\]: very bad idea
Zahlman [1k\]: this is still on move 91? the other one finished already...
ogre [2d?\]: dunno. pros get to travel around and goto events all the time
Hellhuman [1d\]: and if youre not top pro, you have not very much money, so better only become pro if youre sure you can make it to top group^^
Dino9 [6d\]: kang plays extra fast, pros plays slow 
ogre [2d?\]: but u gota do other stuff like help tournaments and study all the time so its gotta be hard
sameasyou [2d\]: n6
sgjiehui [3d?\]: did artem win?
NorthWind [5k\]: yes, she would have to slow down to pass
Hellhuman [1d\]: yes sgj
sgjiehui [3d?\]: oh tks
adiida [3k\]: hard maybe , but you get to play go al the time :D
Paddlefoot [2d\]: no she just has to play well
Onmyoji [-\]: she just isnt strong enough to be pro
ogre [2d?\]: underpros can go do certain events and stuff . work with amateurs. but it takes away from your preparation so you cant get as strong
Paddlefoot [2d\]: some top pros play very fast
NorthWind [5k\]: don't let anyone in who is too quick :D
AhSayuni [4d\]: I don't think the peep is easy to deal with
avio [2d\]: she declared somwhere she never played as slow games as here
eatramen [21k\]: i dont think its smart to go pro if ur not gonna be in the top tier like human said, also if u have otherplans than playing Go
caglar [4k\]: today, oldrej's bday, maybe Alex give him a gift (:
eatramen [21k\]: doubt it
]
;W[jn]C[eatramen [21k\]: alex isnt doing too well
ogre [2d?\]: he want gift he gotta take it
adiida [3k\]: yeah,i doubt it ... they didn't even shake hands ...
eatramen [21k\]: i want him to win this
eatramen [21k\]: alex
adiida [3k\]: oh , i thought you meant the other game :p
ogre [2d?\]: w moving into damezumari
]
;B[lp]C[eatramen [21k\]: lol yeah had to clear that up
dawid963 [1k\]: as i thought :)
AhSayuni [4d\]: oh?
AhSayuni [4d\]: cut
freq [1k\]: this is big
]
;W[jm]C[slim76 [2d\]: b gave up all of that?
Goleath [1k\]: ghk.. huge for both
ogre [2d?\]: i thought b was going to go k7
Mikinek [5k\]: dont understand...
AhSayuni [4d\]: this stone
oiuzt: l17 or j3
dawid963 [1k\]: lower side for b
AhSayuni [4d\]: cuts so much
ogre [2d?\]: maybe b has some plan
dawid963 [1k\]: j3 or sth like that
]
;B[fq]C[prescott [1d\]: looks like resign soon
ogre [2d?\]: no way
AhSayuni [4d\]: better give up on m7 I think
freq [1k\]: maybe sacrifice them to make a big lower side?
fatihsulak [-\]: black not that bad
ogre [2d?\]: b very deliberate on that sequence
nanotech [2k\]: \\
Paddlefoot [2d\]: I liked b before
Paddlefoot [2d\]: now I am not so sure
ogre [2d?\]: yeah there is still aji this might work out good
prescott [1d\]: you cant do that stuff with a pro. you gonna loose
Paddlefoot [2d\]: it seems like J7 was bad
Paddlefoot [2d\]: too heavy
Paddlefoot [2d\]: b didn't want to try to save E6 group
ogre [2d?\]: he would have saved it easily
fatihsulak [-\]: if black takes corner territory, then he is still on the game
ogre [2d?\]: b apparenly thinks this is bigger
dawid963 [1k\]: corner or side
fatihsulak [-\]: if white g4 then d3 will be enough probably 
Paddlefoot [2d\]: K7 connection leads to difficult fight
Paddlefoot [2d\]: I can't see how b can save the stones
dawid963 [1k\]: with n7 he could
]
;W[gq]C[dawid963 [1k\]: as miao said
Paddlefoot [2d\]: k7 l6 m7 n5 n6 o3 n4 m4 n3 m3 n2 
Paddlefoot [2d\]: looks bad
Dino9 [6d\]: e2
]
;B[ck]
;W[cl]C[Paddlefoot [2d\]: ?
dawid963 [1k\]: time?
sheeryjay [2k\]: timesuji perhaps
Paddlefoot [2d\]: are we in byo-yomi?
sheeryjay [2k\]: Black is probly in byoyomi
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Silt is 
Mikinek [5k\]: just ondrej
blitz99: what happened at board 1?
eatramen [21k\]: kang match still going?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Artem won
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yeah kang still playing
Koukkaaja [3d\]: do deadlines count as byo-yomi?
]
;B[aj]C[ShusakuSai [8k\]: and thomas ?*
ogre [2d?\]: isnt b known for always get into byo yomi and strong in the time crunch or something?
Paddlefoot [2d\]: ??
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: thomas still plaaying against Ali
goliv [4k\]: artem won by how many?
dawid963 [1k\]: res
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: by resignation
Paddlefoot [2d\]: w can tenuki....no
ShusakuSai [8k\]: long match*
arbas [3k\]: and toru imamura?
Shedal [2d\]: he was winning by 2.5
miao [6d\]: wow thomas alo
miao [6d\]: ali
fatihsulak [-\]: tenuki
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Toru i dunno, he's playing in another hall, haven't seen his game
arbas [3k\]: ok thx
misjoe [2k\]: what happened on board 144 ?  a friend of mine is playing there
Paddlefoot [2d\]: thats really asking
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hahahaha how am i supposed to know what happened on board 144 ;p
Mikinek [5k\]: :)
misjoe [2k\]: hey, all the rest acts as if you know everything, so I just wanted to do even better :-D
Paddlefoot [2d\]: can you just print the entire tournament results so far into the chat ;)
crizz [2k\]: catalin finished?
lelek: ask players at 143
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: catalin still playing
crizz [2k\]: thx
eatramen [21k\]: wow not even a 100 moves yet
adiida [3k\]: did black loose on time ?
Eilinen [-\]: Looks like old players are taking their time : )
Onmyoji [-\]: why they play so slow?
vingol [1d\]: looks like diners considers tenuki
adiida [3k\]: oh , it'swhite's turn ...
Mikinek [5k\]: imo ondrej cant do it 
AhSayuni [4d\]: Ondrej is old?
Eilinen [-\]: dunno : p
Paddlefoot [2d\]: how many people attended this congress?
Paddlefoot [2d\]: anyone know?
sameasyou [2d\]: he is ab out 23-24 I think
AhSayuni [4d\]: I think he's 23
]
;W[eq]C[Eilinen [-\]: xD
AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe 24
ShusakuSai [8k\]: he is old
Eilinen [-\]: haha
ogre [2d?\]: thats really young 
Eilinen [-\]: i though something like 30-40
scurge [5d\]: 24 today.
Larrave [1d\]: that clock-voice is so annoying
Eilinen [-\]: but never seen him
sameasyou [2d\]: Happy Birthday to him then
Paddlefoot [2d\]: the Europena Juggling Convention was also in Finland....1500
ogre [2d?\]: i thgouht he was older
Paddlefoot [2d\]: people
sameasyou [2d\]: hope he kicks Diner in the sensitive areas
vingol [1d\]: b9 sente and w tays he is lading
dawid963 [1k\]: b failed
vingol [1d\]: leading
eatramen [21k\]: juggling, with hands or feet?
eatramen [21k\]: or both
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;B[bk]C[ogre [2d?\]: this looks so bad for b
Paddlefoot [2d\]: both
AhSayuni [4d\]: that's big for b
eatramen [21k\]: head too
eatramen [21k\]: ?
lance123 [-\]: wow i miss alot of the games noooooooooo
AhSayuni [4d\]: destroys whatever aji there was with d14
sameasyou [2d\]: k15 next for b
Paddlefoot [2d\]: A10 looks very bad to me
ogre [2d?\]: w lower left is pretty thick now tho
Paddlefoot [2d\]: bad b move
vingol [1d\]: excange corner for 10 points
Paddlefoot [2d\]: w puniches with tenuki
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;W[bm]C[kostuek [-\]: lol at tenuki
Paddlefoot [2d\]: anyone know how many people attend the european go congresses?
ogre [2d?\]: now what for b
FangFa [2d\]: k15
ShusakuSai [8k\]: almost 400
sameasyou [2d\]: more than 400 
fatihsulak [-\]: l15 j3 
locogeee [1k\]: maybe b will play jk12
vingol [1d\]: over 400
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yeah over 400
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: depends per year
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: prices etc
Paddlefoot [2d\]: thanks
prescott [1d\]: this game is over
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: in praha EGC there were almost 1000
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;B[ki]C[Moriak [9k\]: its over 9000 xD
zakatan [6k\]: finland is far and expensive to go
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but there it's way cheaper than Finland for example
grumpyjoe [-\]: h17
FangFa [2d\]: how's kyeong nang kang doing (and against whom ?)
ogre [2d?\]: h17 is no good
lance123 [-\]: who is winning?
Orandajinn [2d?\]: hi
AhSayuni [4d\]: but good weather for the season
ShusakuSai [8k\]: k16
eatramen [21k\]: i wanna finish watching this and find out if kang wins abut it almost 8 am o_0
ogre [2d?\]: k16 or something
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Someone is going to check Kang and Catalin's game right now
Paddlefoot [2d\]: EJC (Juggling) attendance is 1,500-5,000 depending on location
lance123 [-\]: who is winning this match?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: then i'll tell u
sameasyou [2d\]: Czechia is cheaper than Finland, beer is better, weather is warmer 
Paddlefoot [2d\]: many more jugglers than go players
locogeee [1k\]: h17 j16
eatramen [21k\]: lol
avio [2d\]: no crisis those times
ogre [2d?\]: moabe out over the middle or something
FangFa [2d\]: ok thanks euro
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;W[jd]C[lance123 [-\]: who is winning this game?
lance123 [-\]: ..
NschoTschi [-\]: always the pro ^^
lance123 [-\]: lol
eatramen [21k\]: lol
scurge [5d\]: I like how thomas debarre attacks from under :)
ogre [2d?\]: oh shusakusai got it before me damn u
slim76 [2d\]: sameasyou, it was +37 in Finland a week or two ago, and you need warmer?
schayan355 [1d\]: w+15
ShusakuSai [8k\]: maybe lucky xD
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;B[dl]C[sameasyou [2d\]: no...I need Urquel :)
ShusakuSai [8k\]: no, easy this time to find I suppose
AhSayuni [4d\]: funny how they scrached heads together
ShusakuSai [8k\]: not many possibilities
H16 [1d\]: b6 
AhSayuni [4d\]: I'm afraid this j8 idea fails for b
Lukan [5d\]: how much time left?
Orandajinn [2d?\]: lukan
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Alex 26min Ondrej byojomi
lance123 [-\]: c6?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: byoyomi
ogre [2d?\]: c6 looks easy
Lukan [5d\]: thx eurogotv
Dino9 [6d\]: B wants to get a move arround j12
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;W[cn]C[lance123 [-\]: lol im correct
sameasyou [2d\]: indeed lance...that was a though one
Orandajinn [2d?\]: very good
GoShinobi [-\]: and then l16
schayan355 [1d\]: j12 is dame
GoShinobi [-\]: for b 
sheeryjay [2k\]: sameasyou, don't talk about Czechia being warmer .. I was dying of hot weather over here whole July ...
enz8 [4k\]: b5
ogre [2d?\]: everyone beat me to the punch
ShusakuSai [8k\]: hope thomas will win
Effem [3k\]: prag is very very nice
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;B[ic]C[Trumelunki [4d\]: l16 does not seems to work
GoShinobi [-\]: how boring
NschoTschi [-\]: g10 peep for b ?
ogre [2d?\]: i thought ilia would win the thing this year but then he lost and maybe his sickness is hurting him
sameasyou [2d\]: about 6 years ago there were 3 finish students in Romania...it was 17 september and they dived in a lake where water wasn't warmer than 12-13 degrees
lance123 [-\]: do u guys think j 12 is a slow move?
ogre [2d?\]: he didnt move around as much today as he usually does
sameasyou [2d\]: they were though...and weren't drunk
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Okay i've to info about the games
sameasyou [2d\]: tough*
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: kang is losing
Hideko [2k\]: Did Iliya win his game?
truhan [2d\]: ilya's sickness?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: and Catalin's game is extremely close
GoShinobi [-\]: ahhh shit
sameasyou [2d\]: Pop?
Am [5d\]: ilya lost
vingol [1d\]: b wants to use (not play) j8 aji later
ZeroKun [-\]: watch the language, goshinobi
Hideko [2k\]: thanks
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Pop is still playing against Zeijst, open game... 
flashback [7d\]: weird game
AhSayuni [4d\]: And Ali?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ali and Thomas are one floor down, we didn't check
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: but when i went there Ali was winning
AhSayuni [4d\]: :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
avio [2d\]: I see 712 players in main tournament in Praha and 718 two years ago in Sweden
AhSayuni [4d\]: how strong are you, if I may ask?
Hachrt: Appreciated EuroGoTV
AhSayuni [4d\]: EuroGoTV2
xell [3k\]: looks like even 6d can give quite good fight for a pro? o_O
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: i'm 1kyu ;)
lance123 [-\]: im 12kyu
AhSayuni [4d\]: hehe
pistachio [8k\]: 8kyu
GoShinobi [-\]: ok so we shouldnt believe you 
GoShinobi [-\]: ^^
AhSayuni [4d\]: but you seem quite confident with that judgement
eatramen [21k\]: im 28k =)
Effem [3k\]: EuroGo you are a lovely lady arent you
kim777 [1k\]: lol
lance123 [-\]: lol
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hahaha yes i'm a lady =D
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: lovely i can't say
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;W[kj]C[avio [2d\]: liselot?
kim777 [1k\]: :3
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: yayyy liselot
ogre [2d?\]: that girl is ondrej wife?
avio [2d\]: she's lovely, i played her once
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: she is eurogotv2
Effem [3k\]: EuroGo show yourself on the camera let us decide
Finn [2d\]: ^^
Finn [2d\]: i knew it
scurge [5d\]: she is a bit crazy too :)
Lukan [5d\]: :D
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;B[lj]
;W[li]C[Hachrt: I would play M10, or is N9 better?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: Ondra =D Laura won again
lance123 [-\]: wth u cant watch video u must register?
Hachrt: oh, moved while I was typing
sheeryjay [2k\]: I knew it .. laughing makes people look better ^_^
syncing [3k\]: can we please see the game?
AhSayuni [4d\]: aww...
avio [2d\]: told you she's lovely
Effem [3k\]: yes she is
scurge [5d\]: oh yes i know :o)
eatramen [21k\]: yeah i agree she is
syncing [3k\]: thank you
Finn [2d\]: ooohh<<
eatramen [21k\]: she seems shy
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;B[lh]C[Effem [3k\]: I would have propose if I werent already married
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;W[mi]C[vingol [1d\]: this is bad for b
eatramen [21k\]: smile!!!!!!!!!!!!!
locogeee [1k\]: just see it
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;B[mj]C[Finn [2d\]: to late
zife [6k\]: what's the ustream url for this game
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: is w ahead?
zife [6k\]: seems like the site's not working again
vingol [1d\]: yes w ahead
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;W[mh]
;B[lg]C[eatramen [21k\]: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/EuroGoTV1
yosogo [1d\]: n13
yosogo [1d\]: only move
sheeryjay [2k\]: is Ondrej chewing on his shirt? :D
Dagobert [4d\]: k11 
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;W[kh]C[ogre [2d?\]: too easy for b to live
Dino9 [6d\]: N13 doesn't work
Dagobert [4d\]: oh
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;B[ji]C[Tristero [2d\]: uh?
scurge [5d\]: j12
a1h1 [1d\]: hmm
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;W[ih]C[Paddlefoot [2d\]: ....?
altrecop [1k\]: omg
TonyTiger [4d\]: shape...
altrecop [1k\]: i've to studi a lot of go
eatramen [21k\]: u going pro?
prescott [1d\]: this is nice
eatramen [21k\]: cop?
lance123 [-\]: lol in the video black is like wth
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;B[ii]C[a1h1 [1d\]: j11 k12 h11 n13 n14 m14 l13 l14 k13 j13 k14 j14 k15 j15 l15 m15 l16 l17 j16 m16 l16 o14 
altrecop [1k\]: no thanks
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;W[hi]C[a1h1 [1d\]: doesnt that work
eatramen [21k\]: lol
a1h1 [1d\]: long but pretty much forced
a1h1 [1d\]: black right dies?
altrecop [1k\]: im pro of other things
slim76 [2d\]: b is in deep trouble
Effem [3k\]: wow I did not see that coming
Koukkaaja [3d\]: careless
Hideko [2k\]: b can neve get enough libs
vingol [1d\]: or  furikawari
FreeDoom [?\]: near resign?
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: gay troubles?
eatramen [21k\]: like what cop?
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: it's b birthday today
altrecop [1k\]: my job :D
eatramen [21k\]: lol
ZeroKun [-\]: pro-crastinating
eatramen [21k\]: ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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;B[jh]C[Wasuji [7k\]: Happy birthday black!
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;W[mg]C[AhSayuni [4d\]: interesting
Dino9 [6d\]: w, resign please, it's his birthday
Paddlefoot [2d\]: I expected J9 squeeze first
Hideko [2k\]: this is extreme
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: hahah yeah, maybe if i tell Alexandr this information it will help for the game =D
Koukkaaja [3d\]: b will rebirth from ashes
Dagobert [4d\]: it´s harry potter´s birthday today?
TonyTiger [4d\]: most brutal
ogre [2d?\]: w ahead anyway tho
prescott [1d\]: b is destroyed
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;B[jg]C[yosogo [1d\]: harry potter is born on 7 31
vingol [1d\]: b trying j9 later?
Paddlefoot [2d\]: b is all dying :(
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;W[lf]C[FreeDoom [?\]: where r b eyes?
mote2: j8 or j9 now ?
gogirl [-\]: dieing
Hideko [2k\]: looks like death on a vast scale
prescott [1d\]: the game is over. show us the beautiful lady again ;)
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;B[kg]C[grumpyjoe [-\]: time pressure?
codelyoko [5d\]: could i have the video link pelase ?
AhSayuni [4d\]: j8 seems like the only thing to try
codelyoko [5d\]: please *
sheeryjay [2k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
AhSayuni [4d\]: but also seems unlikely to work
stf7 [1k\]: how did Kangs game go?
lance123 [-\]: euro go can we see u again
codelyoko [5d\]: thank you
Vovka27 [3k\]: o14?
eatramen [21k\]: @prescott lmao stop cheating on kang
Orandajinn [2d?\]: ni hao
Hachrt: J14?
eatramen [21k\]: ni hao ma?
SqueezeIt [2d\]: wo hen hao, ni ne
lance123 [-\]: ..
feyodora [14k\]: how did Kang's game go?
eatramen [21k\]: ho ho
TonyTiger [4d\]: 不好。
Paddlefoot [2d\]: I expected K13 at M14
lance123 [-\]: are we suppose to understnad?
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: w o14?
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;W[me]C[EuroGoTV2 [-\]: resignation
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: White wins
locogeee [1k\]: j9
feyodora [14k\]: kang won?
ogre [2d?\]: that was brutal
zazie [5d\]: anybody knows what happened between Thomas D and Ali Jabarin ?
Hideko [2k\]: thanks
Lukan [5d\]: shame :(
eatramen [21k\]: damn b got destroye
gogirl [-\]: gg =)
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: they are still playing
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: now is time to sing the happy birth day
elvard [2k\]: HMM
sheeryjay [2k\]: :(
Orandajinn [2d?\]: helemaal LOCO
elvard [2k\]: Thank you
Paddlefoot [2d\]: Thanks EuroGo for sharing this game
yosogo [1d\]: b all dies
zazie [5d\]: thanks euro :)
AhSayuni [4d\]: ah.. I guess he's 24 today
Lukan [5d\]: 24 yes
sheeryjay [2k\]: what? so resign or playing?
grumpyjoe [-\]: thanks euro2
altrecop [1k\]: that seemed 4  overplayed stones and now they're killing a enormous 6d group
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: your welcome
Excalibor [-\]: yeah, thanks! :)
Wasuji [7k\]: anyone know if Junghyeop is still playing?
sheeryjay [2k\]: Oh and thanks for transcription
eatramen [21k\]: he is
Wasuji [7k\]: ah thanks
yosogo [1d\]: thx
goliv [4k\]: thx
lance123 [-\]: dont there back hurts or sitting there more than 2 hours straight
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: catalin lost on time
vingol [1d\]: b j8 can nly hope for seki
eatramen [21k\]: kang-ilia final!
AhSayuni [4d\]: practically no misclicks
AhSayuni [4d\]: well done
goliv [4k\]: thx
SqueezeIt [2d\]: wow
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: catalin is my idol =D
eatramen [21k\]: does he lose alot?
Dino9 [6d\]: 1missclick 1st move :D
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: xD
sheeryjay [2k\]: lance, that's why they are coming to look at other boards, and then people complain that they are not serious ...
AhSayuni [4d\]: aha
avio [2d\]: I would stay on if eurogotv will be so kind to tell us the other games results
lance123 [-\]: wow someone block
AhSayuni [4d\]: 1st move doesn't count so much
lance123 [-\]: WOW
lance123 [-\]: dont block
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ali beat Thomas
AhSayuni [4d\]: :D
lance123 [-\]: show ur self in cameria
eatramen [21k\]: i dont think asians move when they play GO tho
AhSayuni [4d\]: go Ali!
Hellhuman [1d\]: go ali!
Hotaru1993 [4k\]: go weegee
AhSayuni [4d\]: surely that will give him a decent spot now
syncing [3k\]: what did Cornel do ? 
AhSayuni [4d\]: maybe he'll get broadcasted!
crizz [2k\]: he won :D
Hellhuman [1d\]: cornel won
syncing [3k\]: ok, thx
lance123 [-\]: shopw ur self on cameria :D
eatramen [21k\]: alex still has a chance of winning this?
sheeryjay [2k\]: I like black's smile
EuroGoTV2 [-\]: cornel won
AhSayuni [4d\]: how come there are only 2 simultaneously broacasted games in the biggest tournament in Europe?
xell [3k\]: alex looks quite red, seems wasn't that easy :)
fatihsulak [-\]: lol alex or ondrej
avio [2d\]: i'm still waiting for kang, taranu and pop results
ogre [2d?\]: did who lost on time?
matjet [1d\]: this is broadcast on eurogotv1?
sheeryjay [2k\]: AhSayuni, depends on volunteers to broadcast
sheeryjay [2k\]: US congress has only 3 people, last year there were 8
AhSayuni [4d\]: it can be done in shifts too..
AhSayuni [4d\]: if people think it's too boring
sheeryjay [2k\]: But still requires people to volunteer, and at least for start of games you need people
lance123 [-\]: wow did someone said ...ing on the internet in front of cameria?
sheeryjay [2k\]: I love it ... I often do 2 games at once .. but still, not many people seem to enjoy it
AhSayuni [4d\]: oh well
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