(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[9000]OT[1x60 byo-yomi]
GN[54th European Go Congress Tampere, Finland, board 1 round 3]PW[Catalin Taranu]PB[Rob van Zeijst]WR[5p]BR[7d]DT[2010-07-27]RO[3]PC[Tampere, Finland]US[HW9x9]C[wither [5k\]: what haoppoened to cornel and the asian girl
wither [5k\]: this is board 1..
wither [5k\]: i9m getting angryyyyyy
st21 [-\]: nice game
cherisse [1k\]: i miss cornel already :(
cherisse [1k\]: go catalin!
cherisse [1k\]: who is rob van zeijst?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Go Catalin!
A1R [4k\]: a dautchman
kenjiro43 [6k\]: From Holland
A1R [4k\]: dutchman*
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Former insei in Japan
kenjiro43 [6k\]: As far as I can tell
Bembelbote [-\]: Go Rob! \\o/
Sandbagger [?\]: van Zeijst is "zaph" on KGS I believe.
A1R [4k\]: yes
A1R [4k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?RobVanZeijst
cherisse [1k\]: this should be good :) gotta give catalin a hard time
N4KED [1d\]: artem is number 5 on the list does he have a chance in this tournament?
cherisse [1k\]: yesterday his opp resigned on move 71
N4KED [1d\]: wow
A1R [4k\]: really?
A1R [4k\]: junghyeop kim 7d
cherisse [1k\]: Benjamin Teuber, 6d vs Catalin Taranu, 5p http://eidogo.com/#1TsXgh1
nay4ok [2d?\]: Euro, is there a link?
N4KED [1d\]: Dinerchtien is number 28 :-()
A1R [4k\]: ah but not artems oppenent - as i thought.....
cherisse [1k\]: what happens to cornel?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+ betting on the next move) on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
N4KED [1d\]: I always loved the magic of go
nay4ok [2d?\]: I recognize this voice!
snowman [-\]: Round 3 pairings http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r3.txt
nay4ok [2d?\]: when do they start?
nay4ok [2d?\]: what time I mean
snowman [-\]: they are late
Bembelbote [-\]: should have started 18mins ago
nay4ok [2d?\]: wow
nay4ok [2d?\]: no respect 
Bembelbote [-\]: really. should be whipped, both of them...
nay4ok [2d?\]: pff
nay4ok [2d?\]: sitting there and laughing..
cherisse [1k\]: there is a 30k vs 20k!
NorthWind [5k\]: they have to wait for the TV ads :D
nay4ok [2d?\]: wow, we should check it out
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+ betting on the next move) on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
cherisse [1k\]: they look like they haven't had enough sleep but still happy
NorthWind [5k\]: why can they not start ?
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;B[pd]C[cherisse [1k\]: it is starting
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;W[dc]C[NorthWind [5k\]: yay
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;B[pq]
;W[co]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+ betting on the next move) on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Go Catalin!
nay4ok [2d?\]: where's he looking?
nay4ok [2d?\]: looks distracted
nay4ok [2d?\]: )
NorthWind [5k\]: Cats are popular on KGS
nay4ok [2d?\]: oh wow... right. Catalin is white... that's his 3-5 move just now
NorthWind [5k\]: no announcement in EGR ?
nay4ok [2d?\]: i wonder if that could've been Catalin's plan to make his oponent waste a lot of time at the beginning of the game
yoyoma [1d\]: Catalin plays this opening a lot I thought
beefree2: 5-4 confusing him something wicked
Eason [2d\]: he likes to fight
beefree2: err 5-3
cherisse [1k\]: i wonder why catalin played it, is this a particular style of him?
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;B[ep]
;W[eo]C[nay4ok [2d?\]: well, looking at that fast responce... apparently he was prepared for this opening
Eason [2d\]: he plays this move a lot too yes
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;B[fo]
;W[en]
;B[dp]
;W[fp]C[nay4ok [2d?\]: haven't seen many recent Catalin's game but the ones I saw was different
Koukkaaja [3d\]: this is not a fighting variation it seems
beefree2: g5 or g4?
o3epo [1k\]: EuroGoTV, Ilya Shickshinny who plays?
nay4ok [2d?\]: Ali Jabarin (5d)
o3epo [1k\]: thanks
nay4ok [2d?\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-pairing-r3.txt
beefree2: g5 seems ok
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+ betting on the next move) on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
holynec [?\]: this is very old joseki
RamenBoya [4d\]: how did thisstart?
RamenBoya [4d\]: wont let me replay
BigMac [4k\]: is this a 5-3 joseki?
BigMac [4k\]: c5 e4 e5 f5 e6 ?
RamenBoya [4d\]: oh i see
thesubjoke [7k\]: RamenBoya, you can clone the game and then replay
NorthWind [5k\]: I like f3 g4  g3
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can also replay on EuroGoTV by clicking on the written moves below the betting board
RamenBoya [4d\]: i need an account right?  does it cost money?
NorthWind [5k\]: no, it's free
jwc [-\]: to replay : Options -> View Offline
RamenBoya [4d\]: does it say o nthe website when the games will be?
RamenBoya [4d\]: true
wither [5k\]: w looks worried and anxious but not about the game
wither [5k\]: he looks like hes affraid of the camera
Larrave [1d\]: warum sind die runden so früh=/
wither [5k\]: b looks like a prison inmate
wither [5k\]: in his orange prison shirt
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;B[cp]
;W[fq]
;B[bn]
;W[go]C[ilfuria [7k\]: kogo's dictionary regards c4 as "bad timing"
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;B[fn]
;W[em]
;B[gn]
;W[bo]C[holynec [?\]: game over
aertan [4k\]: im not a fan of blacks possition
aertan [4k\]: =)
faintvoice [1k\]: i won a bet and didnt get anything
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: somebody has allready more then 750 VIP-points
Q161 [?\]: if a lot of people make the same bet faintvoice you dont get anything
kenjiro43 [6k\]: What are VIP points?
Q161 [?\]: so if its a really obvious move or someting
wither [5k\]: what do i get with VIP points?
wither [5k\]: can i buy a goban?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tag photos on EuroGoTV
Neverhood [3k\]: explain me again, please.... why do professional participate in amateur tournaments again?...
wither [5k\]: ... why would i want to tag photos
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, buy go-stuff and lessons
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: or teaching games
nay4ok [2d?\]: where can I see the pricing?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: shp not finished
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: shop
Neverhood [3k\]: isn't it forbidden for a professional to play at ama tours?
wither [5k\]: you have to order the catalogue. its 10 dollars plus shipping
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;B[er]C[nay4ok [2d?\]: hahaha
Neverhood [3k\]: i mean by their professional organisation
nay4ok [2d?\]: catalin is registered as 7d though, so he should be fine
kenshin9 [5k\]: no i think thats insei...?
Kantid [3k\]: yeah, they are forbidden. this is an underground tournament. don't tell anybody about that
rst0aeiou [-\]: catalin is on holiday
Princessb [1k\]: Dont watch too much Hikaru No Go
koha [1d\]: NZ allows anybody to enter open tournaments, dunno about other countries
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Catalin is professional in Japan, recognized by Nihon-kiin
Neverhood [3k\]: taranu, i beleive, is from nihon kiin, right? i thought it would be more fun for him to play with pros, like, title tournaments and stuff
aertan [4k\]: yeah i didnt read any rules which said pros couldnt compete
kenjiro43 [6k\]: But Europe has no pro ranking
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: not yet
snowman [-\]: 7d rating for Taranu and Dinerchtein are purely for the pairing program technical reasons
Neverhood [3k\]: well, i wonder if nihon kiin can fire him
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Exactly
st21 [-\]: isn't e3 better here?
Princessb [1k\]: I actually think this must be more fun for Catalin than som pro tournament
netpronick: 4e tak dolgo
goth [?\]: catalin retired his pro career 4 years ago
netpronick: ia bi davno viigral
Neverhood [3k\]: ah. that explains it, goth. 
Oleksandr [1k\]: полюбом)
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Catalin is retired now from pro career
kenshin9 [5k\]: w already winning
goth [?\]: and returned from Japan to Romania where he is the president of the Romanian GO Federation
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Dedicating his life to spreading the game of go
koha [1d\]: I don't have any problem with pros entering tournaments - sure they'll win but it means you get to play pros :)
netpronick: hod konem nado
netpronick: fataliti
Oleksandr [1k\]: да-да)
Larrave [1d\]: lots of korean 7d are as strong as alex+catalin
netpronick: олександр
Neverhood [3k\]: i think there's more to this position than meets the eye...
netpronick: давай в покер играть
netpronick: там динамичнее
Oleksandr [1k\]: нееее) уже играл)
netpronick: и как?
kenshin9 [5k\]: atari at g4 has its complications
Princessb [1k\]: this looks like a trick joseki
Oleksandr [1k\]: скучно
netpronick: ну ты погнаааал
netpronick: где играл?
netpronick: с компом?
jim [6d\]: Catalin like complicate joseki, and Rob like complicate games
Oleksandr [1k\]: на покер шарк
beefree2: h5
netpronick: это в контакте что лИ?
Oleksandr [1k\]: да)
netpronick: крутой)))
Oleksandr [1k\]: ага
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: time enough to place a bet for the next move^^
netpronick: я в го уже 3 дня играю)
Oleksandr [1k\]: и как?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: e3?
netpronick: норм
daredevil [1d?\]: rob van zeijst sounds like a rock star's name
netpronick: у меня учитель есть
Neverhood [3k\]: e3 looks like a -1 dame
gabigo [4k?\]: h6 ?
Oleksandr [1k\]: покер отдыхает против го
netpronick: сенсей
netpronick: не не
netpronick: я за покер
kenshin9 [5k\]: i thought it sounded like pro wrestler
Larrave [1d\]: e3 is ajikeshi
Oleksandr [1k\]: ты поиграй в го дольше и изнаешь)
netpronick: го медленно слишком
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: he considers himself te be at a higher level as a popstar
NorthWind [5k\]: sounds like a bandit
st21 [-\]: играй блицы
Takimme [1d\]: netpronick шел бы ты в покер играть в самом деле =) тут таких как ты итак слишком много =)
netpronick: а покер это миллионы
st21 [-\]: покер скучный
netpronick: блицы я тупой
koha [1d\]: so any bets on the next move? F2?
netpronick: я не могу
Oleksandr [1k\]: то норм будет)
Bruno [1d\]: what is this?
st21 [-\]: деньги кончились?
GRYPH0N [6k\]: K 10
Takimme [1d\]: как самокритично =)
aertan [4k\]: ja vi alla pratar vårat egna språk
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: are there any Russians using the bettingboard?
TheElder [?\]: c2?
kenshin9 [5k\]: k10 is secret tesuji for later, why waist it now 
daredevil [1d?\]: catalin's game was so impressive yesterday
hikarugo [2k\]: h5?
aertan [4k\]: how do you bet?
netpronick: давайте на покерстарс все
TheElder [?\]: 2 1/2 hours? wow
just9x9 [-\]: do they start at 9am local time?
JachUGAN [11k\]: did catalin win yesterday?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: click on the bettingboard beside the live TV screen
NschoTschi [-\]: h5?
netpronick: миллионы заработаем
NorthWind [5k\]: 10am
koha [1d\]: yes, won very early with a nice tesuji
just9x9 [-\]: oh
netpronick: и купим китай
st21 [-\]: покер = скучный
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;W[hn]C[JachUGAN [11k\]: damn i need to find the sgf
gabigo [4k?\]: yee i won the bet :P
JachUGAN [11k\]: against who was he playin?
Oleksandr [1k\]: yes) they are here)\\
just9x9 [-\]: which timezone is finland?
NschoTschi [-\]: Rob is quite old for his strength no?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: really gabigo?
JachUGAN [11k\]: i mean the lvl of his opponent?
NschoTschi [-\]: wearing oranje
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i got a message there were no winners last move
netpronick: покер - игра чемпионов
Larrave [1d\]: how to bet?
Bruno [1d\]: white much better here
netpronick: чемпионы круче богов
aertan [4k\]: you need vip points
koha [1d\]: I can believe it - I thought either H5 or F2 - didn't think of H6
aertan [4k\]: i guess
JachUGAN [11k\]: tobet just send me money and you're in =P
gabigo [4k?\]: Neverhood [3k\]: e3 looks like a -1 dame gabigo [4k?\]: h6 ? Oleksandr [1k\]: покер отдыхает против го
Bruno [1d\]: D 5 I bet
Oleksandr [1k\]: Go better then poker
Koukkaaja [3d\]: it must be interesting to study joseki in front of 400 kibitzers
sayona [6k\]: f8
netpronick: покер - сама жизнь
hikarugo [2k\]: u can't bluff at go
netpronick: а го - камешки какие-то
Dagobert [3d\]: that´s not "joseki", koukka ..
Larrave [1d\]: how can you not bluff at go?^^
miago [1d\]: sure you can bluff at go...
sayona [6k\]: f8
Koukkaaja [3d\]: well, b diverged from it...
koha [1d\]: just because it has never been played before doesn't mean it isn't joseki ;-)
Bruno [1d\]: D 5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yesterday guerecon won 31 pints with a 1 point bet
Wagaboo [11k\]: you can play a move that seems bad but is strong, that is bluff
vannab [3k\]: Rob not happy it seems..
misjoe [2k\]: Rob van Zeijst is the granddad of all new strong players like Catalin... great to see this duel !
gabigo [4k?\]: where do you do the betting?
Larrave [1d\]: why does the stream not work for me?=/
aertan [4k\]: where is catalin from?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on the bettinboerd beside the live TV stream
ChrisHH [4d\]: if W can squeeze the game is already nearly over!?
Dagobert [3d\]: larrave, are you from china?
Larrave [1d\]: no
aertan [4k\]: eurogo how do you get vip points to bet with? donate or?
Larrave [1d\]: why do you ask
gabigo [4k?\]: can you pls gime me a link to the stream?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then go to http://ustream.tv and check the help centre
hikarugo [2k\]: pro player don't bluff
Dagobert [3d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;B[gm]C[koha [1d\]: of course pro players bluff
just9x9 [-\]: hehe, and rob wrote "making good shape" lol
Koukkaaja [3d\]: still making
Dagobert [3d\]: atleast he tries ..
Bruno [1d\]: thi is an empty triangle
ekku [-\]: it takes two to dango
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;W[ho]C[praeludium [5d\]: usually one of the player must be bluffing
MBartelt [3k\]: seems like the strongest shape u can make in the position ^^
profi [2d\]: hot to get vip-points? ^^
Bruno [1d\]: D5
profi [2d\]: how*
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: by tagging photos
aertan [4k\]: :O
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;B[do]C[Bruno [1d\]: empty triangle that works?
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;W[ek]C[koha [1d\]: you mean F6 - G7?
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;B[cn]C[atomix [1d\]: was h6 a mistake?
Talio [7k\]: good sacrifice :o?
koha [1d\]: j8 seems good
hikarugo [2k\]: h8?
profi [2d\]: there is no another empty triangle )
Bruno [1d\]: H 8 then
praeludium [5d\]: geta coming
netpronick: жаль что камни черные и белые
netpronick: почему нет голубых, розовых, синих?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+ betting on the next move) on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
netpronick: цветные - красивее
Q161 [?\]: rofl
profi [2d\]: хорошо, что тут их нет
andrey87 [5k\]: на 1е апреля были розовые
netpronick: вот это круто!
hikarugo [2k\]: isn't go about who calculate the most?
Koukkaaja [3d\]: or the least
pirate [?\]: h8 and build a big wall
vk62 [5k\]: to netrpronick:  ПРЕКРАТИТЕ ОФТОПИТЬ НА ПАРТИИ!!!
Academic [5k\]: who knows the best calculations to make
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;W[hl]C[xiaoMao [2d?\]: but at this stage of the game do you calculate? i don't think so  no?
hikarugo [2k\]: h8 is calcul
IkaGo [3k\]: Depends on whether I'm doing my taxes
jim [6d\]: seems like white gain here
JachUGAN [11k\]: anyone knows where i can find yesterday's games sgfs?
beefree2: black can use that dead group to gain maybe
hikarugo [2k\]: h8 is calcul and... probably starting with h6
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on EuroGoTV JachUGAN
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: section SGF
Bruno [1d\]: E 5 is the top of the iceberg
Academic [5k\]: maybe go eurogo's info 
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah i'm there but only 3games are available =D
vannab [3k\]: sacrifice or run ?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but maybe i forgot to upload board 2 day 2 am i realising now
ChrisHH [4d\]: cannot run
xiaoMao [2d?\]: tenuki?
JachUGAN [11k\]: =)
Koukkaaja [3d\]: can run but not hide
xiaoMao [2d?\]: or a drop of fin vodka better
praeludium [5d\]: what's f9
praeludium [5d\]: hm nvm
gabigo [4k?\]: d8?
praeludium [5d\]: d15
JachUGAN [11k\]: players have 2hours and half to think o_O!
beefree2: r5
sayona [6k\]: q5
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: now i uploaded it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: refresh the SGF page
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;B[qo]C[beefree2: woot
JachUGAN [11k\]: thx 
Bembelbote [-\]: My move would have been R8. But if Rob says R5 is better then R5 is better :)
vandrei [11k\]: go CATALIN
Draqon [1k\]: EuroGoTV2 on KGS is EuroGoTV1 on IGS ???
JachUGAN [11k\]: you have one additional "r" in the title =)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: r in which title?
Klippan [?\]: w still need to capture the center stones somehow, direct or indirect
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes Draqon
Klippan [?\]: at some point
Draqon [1k\]: Why?
beefree2: p5 seems ok
Klippan [?\]: right now he just gets a huge wall in sente if b moves
blue [5k\]: i cant find a way for them to escape
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sounds better
hikarugo [2k\]: b corner is big
Klippan [?\]: but a few more moves like that for b and the wall has no worth
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;W[gl]C[Bruno [1d\]: that looks slow 
Draqon [1k\]: submissive
Neverhood [3k\]: wow, unexpected
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hahaha everybody was wrong, lots of points for me^^
vannab [3k\]: it's not a wall, it's huge thickness
xiaoMao [2d?\]: big influence
Q161 [?\]: lol
Blaf [3k\]: whic table is Nikola Mitic from Serbia
Q161 [?\]: i thought o3 but i didnt bet :D
beefree2: so many moves for 1 capture
cherisse [1k\]: all the players are gone away from the tv except for catalin
Q161 [?\]: so hard to bet in catalins games :D
MadKongo [3d\]: k17?
JachUGAN [11k\]: it's in the new game you uploaded
Klippan [?\]: i wonder if this lower left can be considered joseki
zizu [-\]: this reminds me yesterdays catalin game
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok, thx, i will restore it later
Klippan [?\]: w ridiculous outward influence but double gote
JachUGAN [11k\]: =)
smoothjazz [1k\]: d15
Neverhood [3k\]: black has to play very carefully now, otherwise first attack will end this game
vannab [3k\]: rob will need all his skills to recover from joseki
Wagaboo [11k\]: d15 will e pinced no?
goth [?\]: L3
aertan [4k\]: i would say like m3
aertan [4k\]: or so
Bembelbote [-\]: K16
Bruno [1d\]: D 15
Klippan [?\]: top side seems big
gabigo [4k?\]: euro what ar the times?
vannab [3k\]: upperside
Neverhood [3k\]: i'm for top side
Sampi [1d\]: yes, top big
Draqon [1k\]: Around J16. bottom is double gote
hikarugo [2k\]: first j7?
smoothjazz [1k\]: j17
vannab [3k\]: 3k's agree :9
Bruno [1d\]: honte
NorthWind [5k\]: L3
Bruno [1d\]: K 10
zizu [-\]: k16
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;B[de]
;W[fd]C[Ludmila [5k\]: d15
alizeee: Gu Li beat Lee Chang-Ho a moment ago
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: wow
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: g8 is amazing move
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;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[cd]C[Q161 [?\]: in a good way?
patrickelo [5k\]: did w respond to d15 that fast?
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: kind of
Q161 [?\]: lol
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: it proves of a lot of confidence
Sampi [1d\]: he means h8
MadKongo [3d\]: was d15 correct?\\
MadKongo [3d\]: k17 seemed better to me
Morla [6d?\]: g8 honte
CsehAndrei [3k\]: a 5p wouldn't  play this
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(;W[qf]C[Darg [3d\]: ???
beefree2: o17 not r14
aertan [4k\]: r14 should be o17..
vannab [3k\]: O17
arbi [5k\]: it seems o 17 
hgma [?\]: Pinguschaf, can you explain the move at g8?
gabigo [4k?\]: the move is wrong
vannab [3k\]: R14-> O17
Bruno [1d\]: N 17
CsehAndrei [3k\]: this is weird
lalicoasa [4k\]: wo17 br14
CsehAndrei [3k\]: think is not correct
Q161 [?\]: eurogotv, r14 needs to be at o17
vannab [3k\]: scribe sacked..
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(;W[nc]
;B[qf]
;W[ne]C[CsehAndrei [3k\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: sorry
Bruno [1d\]: now b is low
beefree2: low but solid
jim [6d\]: black si low but with Q18 he get about 50 cash already
Wagaboo [11k\]: a pro can make mistakes ^^
smoothjazz [1k\]: e18
Bruno [1d\]: don't count with that
JachUGAN [11k\]: the mistakes pros make are that obvious
JachUGAN [11k\]: are not
NorthWind [5k\]: c11
Bruno [1d\]: b is small everywere
jim [6d\]: N3 or Q18
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 54th European Go Congress 2010, Tampere, Finland
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oeps
Neverhood [3k\]: black has to do something!
beefree2: invade top obviously
Bruno [1d\]: M 3
Neverhood [3k\]: invasion too dangerous
goth [?\]: N3 overconcentrated
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Larrave [1d\]: b18 looks safest
NschoTschi [-\]: q10 any good?
Draqon [1k\]: Making po9int on the lower side seems ok for black now
Bembelbote [-\]: something like F14 is no good right now?
goth [?\]: Q18 big
Shedal [2d\]: why does B have to invade the top? I don't think he does
Neverhood [3k\]: black has to play around f14 IMO
beefree2: don't let your opponent perfect his moyo
aertan [4k\]: i dont think b18 is big ehough
aertan [4k\]: d18xD
NschoTschi [-\]: d18 
shad [-\]: chut
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;B[db]C[Shedal [2d\]: Q18 is steady
Kantid [3k\]: nah. w invites b to invade. so why not?
Draqon [1k\]: Q18 makes miai of M17 and L3
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: wow
beefree2: wants b18 sente?
Shedal [2d\]: L3 seems close to the W wall
Draqon [1k\]: And again Rob find a move nobody thought about
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: very strange move
jim [6d\]: this.........is a joke
Larrave [1d\]: b18 threatens peep at e18
smoothjazz [1k\]: e18, e17
Shedal [2d\]: jim, why?
aertan [4k\]: because its aji keshi?
beefree2: this move makes b18 sente?
Neverhood [3k\]: black wants to play around f15 later
Bruno [1d\]: I would never think of D 18 but is really fine
thekaiser [3d\]: but
thekaiser [3d\]: if w e17
thekaiser [3d\]: b b18 w extend
Bruno [1d\]: is sente and settle position
aertan [4k\]: its not sente
Bruno [1d\]: yeah it is!
Hayek [2k\]: whats teh prize of EGT¿
Hayek [2k\]: ¿
Hayek [2k\]: ?
NschoTschi [-\]: egc2010.fi
Bruno [1d\]: E 18 is a must
xiaoMao [2d?\]: a bottle of  vodka^^
WorldCop [2k\]: who is better? seems to me w has thickness but nothing else.
JachUGAN [11k\]: the tn winner will have lessons in go from me =P
gdghgjd [2d\]: explanation of this move should follow soon
JachUGAN [11k\]: on how to become a worse player =)
xiaoMao [2d?\]: lol
WorldCop [2k\]: JackUGAN, do you accept paypal?
NorthWind [5k\]: yeah Cop, I like B so far
smoothjazz [1k\]: e18,e17 f17
JachUGAN [11k\]: i accept everything even canned food
smoothjazz [1k\]: e18,e17,d18,f17
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;W[eb]
;B[ec]
;W[fc]
;B[dd]C[NschoTschi [-\]: They played twice in a european  tournament. Both games were won by Rob!!!
jim [6d\]: woops.........
StefanRadu [1k\]: ce s-a intamplat aici?
Wagaboo [11k\]: but here b looks bad
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: i wonder why white didnt fight
smoothjazz [1k\]: its w bad
StefanRadu [1k\]: cateva secunde nu m-am uitat.. si.. 
Q161 [?\]: i think w wanted sente
WorldCop [2k\]: b is a cash mashine
jim [6d\]: yes I wonder also why white didn't fight,
NschoTschi [-\]: 4 cornerz?
aertan [4k\]: = instant loose
Kantid [3k\]: not yet
WorldCop [2k\]: grats to the thickness, but nothing to attack?
praeludium [5d\]: wow what a tortured mind 
praeludium [5d\]: to let b win his bluff like that
WorldCop [2k\]: f13?
scurge [5d\]: why g8?
Bruno [1d\]: b have an undercover smile jijiji
Bruno [1d\]: i saw
joachim [?\]: Wow, Catalin is giving a lot of territory to Rob.
aertan [4k\]: why didnt he capture after e17
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;W[da]C[Hayek [2k\]: what is the prize?
hgma [?\]: I was wondering about g8 move too
Bruno [1d\]: it is handicap
NorthWind [5k\]: sente didn't last long
alizeee: Gu Li beat Lee Chang-Ho and won the World Meijin
zhou901108 [1d\]: yeah by o.5
Q161 [?\]: whats the world meijin?
Academic [5k\]: what does meijin mean?
Q161 [?\]: i thought meijin was a japanese title
aertan [4k\]: it also is
smoothjazz [1k\]: N0
Bruno [1d\]: this ko is problematic for b
smoothjazz [1k\]: meijin is kor and chn
NorthWind [5k\]: nah little or no value .. ignore it :)
sfgss [3d\]: Gu li and Lee represents the highest level of go
WorldCop [2k\]: they next need to make a super tengen/chunwon/tianyuan
NorthWind [5k\]: ya, I meant the ko
Shedal [2d\]: What about Lee Sedol? Did he participate in the Meijin tournament?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: picture and sound stil ok?
StefanRadu [1k\]: yep!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and on board 2?
vannab [3k\]: yes!
StefanRadu [1k\]: cheers euro!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
StefanRadu [1k\]: yep!
sfgss [3d\]: no, only meijin title holder of each country are qualified
NschoTschi [-\]: Why didnt I get points from my correct bet on D19?
vannab [3k\]: thx EureoTV!
Larrave [1d\]: too many bets on it
Larrave [1d\]: was told before
NschoTschi [-\]: ok
NschoTschi [-\]: sorry
smoothjazz [1k\]: now would ranking is 1 - lee se dol 2- guri 3 - kongjie, lee chang ho
Larrave [1d\]: probably your winning ratio was close to zero
Larrave [1d\]: so you got your point back
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but u got your point back or not?
NschoTschi [-\]: yes
Bruno [1d\]: b D 17 is sente
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ok
gabigo [4k?\]: euro what are the times?
sfgss [3d\]: kongjie just beat lee se dol and won world champion
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: if there is any problem with the handling of the bets please let me know, i finished this beta version 1.1 in the night before the EGC2010 started
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;B[dh]
;W[dc]C[Draqon [1k\]: What is this bet system?
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;B[pb]
;W[pg]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
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;B[pf]C[WorldCop [2k\]: how do you get points if you don't know any people in the photos?
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;W[og]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: later you can buy them
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;B[rh]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but not now^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: VIPs will get 100 poits /month for free
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but not now^^
WorldCop [2k\]: that's not even one game :)
WorldCop [2k\]: unless you're 7d
NschoTschi [-\]: e16 big no?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: be selective with your bets
Neverhood [3k\]: W 5p
cherisse [1k\]: nomnom nom
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: the biggest win was 31 points with a 1 point bet so far
sfgss [3d\]: e16 small
cherisse [1k\]: raisins?
StefanRadu [1k\]: f12 next
Martin82 [11k?\]: black seems to play quite territorial, doesnt he?
Neverhood [3k\]: i mean p5
StevenStar [2k\]: yes
erikk [-\]: I want my VIP points now!
Satyr9 [10k?\]: well W is 5P, so that wasn't incorrect
Naurul [5k\]: f14
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no!!
snowman [-\]: catalin enjoyes building thickness
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you have to wait
erikk [-\]: ok, then I won't bet
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Neverhood [3k\]: i can has vip-points???
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lazy basterd
Naurul [5k\]: f14 or nm 3
erikk [-\]: betting is for losers
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: just tag some photos
Bauer [1d\]: @Martin82 No b is playing normal, w tactic was surprising
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 1 points for every tag with a EGD pin
Neverhood [3k\]: how to look at the betting odds???
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;W[mp]C[Naurul [5k\]: n4 close 
Martin82 [11k?\]: how got this f5 group surrounded so quickly?
Academic [5k\]: trade for c5 
koha [1d\]: black threw F5 away
Martin82 [11k?\]: ty
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no odds, all  floor(bets divided by winners )
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: flor(all bets / winners)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: floor
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so if 100 betters
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 40 winners
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: each winner gets 2
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: chat still working?
kenshin9 [5k\]: lol
Wagaboo [11k\]: ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is so quiet
Wagaboo [11k\]: yes
goodminton [-\]: q11
Wagaboo [11k\]: we were reading your words
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
grumpyjoe [-\]: i like b
Wagaboo [11k\]: i guess
NorthWind [5k\]: n6 maybe
kenshin9 [5k\]: k14
Wagaboo [11k\]: n4 says
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;B[le]C[Wagaboo [11k\]: i want inflence
kenshin9 [5k\]: ah i was close
Martin82 [11k?\]: can b afford l4 or something?
cherisse [1k\]: what kind of clock is this?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: again big profit for me; everybody wrong again
Q161 [?\]: lol :P
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;W[lc]C[Neverhood [3k\]: m15 very strong
engelchen [1d\]: will b ever stop munching during the game ?
MyMeMine [11k\]: 'each winner gets 2'....and EuroGoTV gets 20
kenshin9 [5k\]: reduction move
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hehehe
Academic [5k\]: this just what w wanted?
koha [1d\]: the lesson is that gambling only pays for the dealer? :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will get rich finally
goodminton [-\]: 3k strong^^
Q161 [?\]: hahaha
ekku [-\]: Rob is so tough he munches on go stones
kenshin9 [5k\]: poor stones >:
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;B[je]C[Wagaboo [11k\]: we'll he be enough hungry to eat at 12:00?
Neverhood [3k\]: catalin is so scroood
MilanChe [-\]: does b play on kgs?
Kanin [-\]: är det robben som spelar eller?
Draqon [1k\]: yes, black plays as nonochan
vannab [3k\]: w does
vannab [3k\]: w = zaph
Neverhood [3k\]: Dragon, lol
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;W[jc]C[Neverhood [3k\]: really??....
grumpyjoe [-\]: b is nonochan?
MyMeMine [11k\]: EuroGoTV, you will get rich, yes. damn. I love your tactics!
Dagobert [3d\]: yes
Draqon [1k\]: yes, true
Neverhood [3k\]: lies!!!!!!!!!!!11
Draqon [1k\]: why?
stalkor [1d?\]: b= zaph
grumpyjoe [-\]: i thought nonochan was a girl
kenshin9 [5k\]: hes a dude
Draqon [1k\]: just because of the picture?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Neverhood [3k\]: i imagined nonochan as a beautiful asian cutie with long legs and big t.. t... nooooooooooooooo!
kenshin9 [5k\]: its his girlfriend
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Dagobert [3d\]: grunp, now you have to show us your private chats with nonochan
Dagobert [3d\]: grump*
kenshin9 [5k\]: (or wife)
Martin82 [11k?\]: h15?
kenshin9 [5k\]: p14 cut
grumpyjoe [-\]: they are classifed
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;B[kh]C[Bruno [1d\]: I wonder how k 15 would survive
Dagobert [3d\]: k15 lives easily
Neverhood [3k\]: k15 has a lot of options
Dagobert [3d\]: the problem is not to give white too much territory while living
zizu [-\]: just a good shape then see
mcc: putih menang
kenshin9 [5k\]: i dont think kyus know how to reduce
misjoe [2k\]: probably wanted to compensate for his good shape move at g7
JachUGAN [11k\]: stupid question: that triangle is considered good shape?
JachUGAN [11k\]: cuz for me it looks cutable
Dagobert [3d\]: yes
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;W[mg]C[Naurul [5k\]: vip points?
Bruno [1d\]: yes, but usually is at L 13
Bruno [1d\]: not that long
zizu [-\]: good shape, horse head
kenshin9 [5k\]: its fast and has good eye shape
Dagobert [3d\]: w can cut, but b can sacrifice one stone to make good shape with the other stones
JachUGAN [11k\]: ok thx for the explanation =)
kenshin9 [5k\]: w protects cut i mentioned earlier
Bruno [1d\]: but the difference is in O 15 size and effectiveness
engelchen [1d\]: i guess bs placed  stones are covered with choc and boogeys
Bazilikan [2k\]: were is this occuring?
kenshin9 [5k\]: ew
kenshin9 [5k\]: poor stones >:
Bazilikan [2k\]: where is this occuring?
Shedal [2d\]: Tampere, Finland
ekku [-\]: bazilikan, read the title
Bazilikan [2k\]: i cant
Bazilikan [2k\]: weird client
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Martin82 [11k?\]: how that cut and sacrifice make good shape sequence? can anyone give a line or 2 for me please?
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;W[ed]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: mm that looks slow
yakotaki [-\]: comandante che guevara liberate all stones
jjermann [4d?\]: E16 is very big
Cv [-\]: ponuki
kenshin9 [5k\]: i meant j12
Dgom69 [1k?\]: O14 cuts, isn't it?
Q161 [?\]: why is e16 big?
scurge [5d\]: this move looks suspicous to me
Shedal [2d\]: Taranu is playing very steadily today
kenshin9 [5k\]: ladder
kenshin9 [5k\]: or
kenshin9 [5k\]: nvm
JachUGAN [11k\]: i guess L14 L14 M12K13 M13 or smthg like that  (for martin)
jjermann [4d?\]: just count
JachUGAN [11k\]: i'm not sure my reading is good
sfgss [3d\]: how does Taranu get 5p?
Bruno [1d\]: playing in japan
JachUGAN [11k\]: he was an insei
motaba [1k\]: winning games
avio [2d\]: japan
NorthWind [5k\]: don't understand W at all. he has top side and something on lower side and nothing else. must lose
Shedal [2d\]: This game is even more exciting given that there's no weak groups! Everything is very steady
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: cashed in op his VIP points
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: on his
kenshin9 [5k\]: lol
Martin82 [11k?\]: ty jachUGAN
Dagobert [3d\]: how many points do i need to get a 1p?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 100000000
Kantid [3k\]: over 8k
zc3k [1k\]: heaps way to go
JachUGAN [11k\]: to martin it's L14 the first move i made a typo
Naurul [5k\]: vip points?
goth [?\]: w's thickness will will turn to points soon
sfgss [3d\]: b gets 3.5 big corners
jjermann [4d?\]: considering b had only a ko I would guess around 10 points almost sente
Kanin [-\]: F2 is too big
Dagobert [3d\]: seems like i have to tag a lot of people :D
JachUGAN [11k\]: L13 (damn again the same typo >_<)
Bruno [1d\]: j 16 is a must
Neverhood [3k\]: black must play some nice reduction around n4 , or secure his left side with somethins like c9 
engelchen [1d\]: what is a half big corner ?
Kantid [3k\]: b will chicken and connect with his stones on side ^_^
Naurul [5k\]: q8
zc3k [1k\]: C9
goth [?\]: b's about 60 points only with no big perspectives 
kenshin9 [5k\]: r9 :P
Neverhood [3k\]: Q8 is a bit passive....
avio [2d\]: Catalin started at 1p and got 5p after 5 years of playing the Oteai tournament
Naurul [5k\]: l5
kenshin9 [5k\]: l5 bad
NschoTschi [-\]: Oteai tournament?
avio [2d\]: Oteai= formaer ranking tournament in Japan
sfgss [3d\]: this 5p is not that strong
avio [2d\]: former
JachUGAN [11k\]: he never succeeded in qualifying for a major tn?
StevenStar [2k\]: get either r9 or c9
Bruno [1d\]: i would move M 3
NschoTschi [-\]: so he is japanese pro not korean?
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah jap pro
Shedal [2d\]: yep
A1R [4k\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?NihonKiInNewPromotionSystem
Bruno [1d\]: he is rumanian 
Neverhood [3k\]: M3 hopeless
A1R [4k\]: this is the newer one
StevenStar [2k\]: w maybe not defend the lower part
JachUGAN [11k\]: is there an age limit to become pro in korea (japan it's 30 years)
kenshin9 [5k\]: wait w has no weak groups, doesnt that mean hes about to attack b
NschoTschi [-\]: Can he become promoted again while living in Europe?
JachUGAN [11k\]: ?
sfgss [3d\]: Korean pros, esp. younger ones, are strong
avio [2d\]: Catalin quit pro playing since 2004 or so.
Shedal [2d\]: why?
plusguy [3d\]: becuz he was bad and didnt win any tournaments
Dagobert [3d\]: catalin is not retired, he just makes a break
sfgss [3d\]: any young Korean 1p can easily beat Japanese 5p
avio [2d\]: he returned home
koha [1d\]: for special versions of 'bad' ;-)
aertan [4k\]: do they have 150min each?
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah
kenshin9 [5k\]: where would you invade if u were w
Dagobert [3d\]: yes, + byo yomi
aertan [4k\]: thats pretty much
JachUGAN [11k\]: nop
rien [1k\]: mouahahahahahahaha
JachUGAN [11k\]: it's needed to really read properly
cherisse [1k\]: two steady/slow games today, very nice :)
vannab [3k\]: w O14
rien [1k\]: oui rock2
goodminton [-\]: why cant one click back and forth in these eurogo-games??
aertan [4k\]: for an amature tournament 2,5hour is much;P
Dagobert [3d\]: clone the game or view offline
JachUGAN [11k\]: cuz it's a demonstration game
kenshin9 [5k\]: lol...
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;B[nf]C[zizu [-\]: this E16 is not small but is that so big
zizu [-\]: ?
Dagobert [3d\]: w may think he is ahead
zc3k [1k\]: what the....?
Naurul [5k\]: is buklau
MilanChe [-\]: Harry, what's that weird sound hearing all tiime?
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;W[of]C[kenshin9 [5k\]: vannab was closest
vannab [3k\]: got the tv on :)
JachUGAN [11k\]: for the tv it would have been awesome if there was some commentary
just9x9 [-\]: b not bad here imho considering the start
JachUGAN [11k\]: u know from two high dans
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;B[mf]C[Shedal [2d\]: O14 looks crude to me
Bruno [1d\]: crude?
Bruno [1d\]: define
Dagobert [3d\]: do not look at the start while counting .. only look at the current situation!
Feelss [9k\]: lol
aertan [4k\]: rob is mostly running around
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;B[ng]
;W[nh]
;B[mh]
;W[mi]
;B[lg]C[NschoTschi [-\]: EuroGoTV how is Ilyas game running?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know
Martin82 [11k?\]: may be a strange question, but how does one count properly? to me its mor difficult than it sounds
Dagobert [3d\]: well .. most people count 1 .. 2... 3 ..
Shedal [2d\]: EuroGoTV, what is your name? :)
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i usually start with 1
aertan [4k\]: dagonbert rly?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Harry Weerheijm
aertan [4k\]: ;P
dmf [?\]: a computer start with 0?
aertan [4k\]: normal count 2 4 6 8
NschoTschi [-\]: Martin it is difficult sometimes
Kantid [3k\]: weird. i usually start with 0
misjoe [2k\]: bruno: every dan player should know sensei´s library: http://senseis.xmp.net/?CrudePlay
Shedal [2d\]: Harry, do you know anything about Artem Kachanovskyy's game?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: most pros count 2, 4 , 8 etc
zizu [-\]: black could win this game
JachUGAN [11k\]: at our level (around 11kyu) just try to compare territories to get an idea if you're leading or trailing
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, sorry other room
misjoe [2k\]: 2-4-8-16-32, eurogotv1 ?
Dagobert [3d\]: i count in palms! when i am 3 palms behind i will resign!
JachUGAN [11k\]: counting when u don't have much time like in kgs is not easy without practice
Shedal [2d\]: Maybe another EuroGoTV account is sitting in that room? :)
NschoTschi [-\]: Lower left a bit more than 15 i.e.
vannab [3k\]: me in coconuts
miago [1d\]: counting is by far the easiest part when playing go
Martin82 [11k?\]: but what is territory, and what is only sphere of influence? where are the borderlines exactly?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no, both EuroGoTV's are in this room
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only 2 boards
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Elandal [4k\]: The *exact* borderlines are somewhere in the 9p+ region.
Martin82 [11k?\]: it think its more like judging the hole bord situation. far from easy (at least to me)
Kantid [3k\]: if it's hard for you to count - use your fingers.. or imagination. imagine yourself.. bananas
gdghgjd [2d\]: how can white win this game?
JachUGAN [11k\]: martin just concentrate on improving your game counting is for later
MilanChe [-\]: i dunno
JachUGAN [11k\]: =)
RankLower [2d\]: q 6 ?
MilanChe [-\]: b much better here imo
Shedal [2d\]: Does anyone know — did Artem ever play with Dinerchtein in any big tournament?
NorthWind [5k\]: you have to estimate what is solidly owned, if wrong the count will be too
Elandal [4k\]: counting is like work
NschoTschi [-\]: MilanChe where is your friend 'che' gone?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: tagging photos too
MilanChe [-\]: yea, long time i didnt see him...
mur [1k\]: what black's nickname on KGS?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi MilanMilan!
Mukti [4d\]: Black = Nonochan
qgo [4k\]: Hi Harry Euro, having a nice time?
typohh [6k\]: b has played all these josekis I have never seen before..
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes i have
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i win most bets here
qgo [4k\]: good
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: it is nice to be the bank
qgo [4k\]: ha ha 
Dagobert [3d\]: the bank wins always :/
qgo [4k\]: did you play any poker last night?
FeGo [6d?\]: black will win this 
NschoTschi [-\]: Dagobert is the bank??
mur [1k\]: i thought nonochan is a girl...
hgh01 [16k\]: EurtoGoTV could you please correct camera psiotion at the other bord?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: in what way?
qgo [4k\]: Van Zeijst real strong
Dino9 [6d\]: right
hgh01 [16k\]: it shows the room
onegoal [3k\]: rob = zaph on kgs
hgh01 [16k\]: thx
Emerson [6k\]: Black is winning... right?
Mukti [4d\]: B seems to be doing quite well to me.
donzet [?\]: woa nice opponent
Princessb [1k\]: b has cash
SBA [8k\]: any ideas on w s next move?
donzet [?\]: lucky mero
NorthWind [5k\]: resign ?
Martin82 [11k?\]: that camera must be intimidating. i wouldnt want to be filmed like this, when playing chess. but i guess they are used to it
MilanChe [-\]: much better view on cam 2 :)
Wagaboo [11k\]: P11
Wagaboo [11k\]: w P1
Wagaboo [11k\]: w p11
Dgom69 [1k?\]: M11
Shedal [2d\]: van Zeijst is strong...
MadKongo [3d\]: whats the time on their clocks?
Dagobert [3d\]: martin, depends on your strength .. if you think you are strong enough to show your moves to everyone, it´s no problem being filmed :-)
Kantid [3k\]: i guess w will r7 
freemind [1d\]: martin they do the sme thing at bigger chess tournys
MadKongo [3d\]: EuroGoTV whats the time on their clocks?
Shedal [2d\]: I would R7
freemind [1d\]: bigger= for more than avergae money
Alligato [2d\]: P5
Shedal [2d\]: or even R6
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Martin82 [11k?\]: sure i just wondered as i watched catalin looking into the camera a few times. does he think of being watched? i mean that does something to your mind, doent it?
qgo [4k\]: Harry, I cannot bet because I don t have VIP points?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Academic [5k\]: q6 an option? or am i looking for r6
avio [2d\]: it's not the first time he is watched
freemind [1d\]: i normally didnt notice whenever  had to deal with it in chess tourys
qgo [4k\]: How do I get VIP points?
Dagobert [3d\]: i just bet my money on q6 
avio [2d\]: he was watched many times
freemind [1d\]: your more focused on winning to care
Kantid [3k\]: what's the plan behind q6 ?
gluiwiya [4k\]: i think w has made many bad moves, o15,p13,p14,p15q13
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: because you are a VIp you will get 100 VIP points / month in the future, but for now everybody has to earn them by tagging photos in the Photo menu
antonTirol [2k?\]: game over?
atomix [1d\]: gluiwiya, you should help w become better
goodminton [-\]: w made it too easy for b to live in center now its hard to catch up the missing 30 points
mcc: white win
gluiwiya [4k\]:    these white stones help b stronger
Academic [5k\]: d13 maybe
vannab [3k\]: not nice having your big blunder travalling instantly throughout the whole world ;)
donzet [?\]: R17 loose points but may create adji around s12
JachUGAN [11k\]: what do u think of M11?
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;W[li]C[freemind [1d\]: :)
gluiwiya [4k\]: w almost has this game ten moves before
JachUGAN [11k\]: lool
freemind [1d\]: helikes it
misjoe [2k\]: so, W is at least an 11k
freemind [1d\]: was goona say m11 standard lookin move if nothingmore urgent stands out
JachUGAN [11k\]: hahahaha
Shedal [2d\]: I think B only has about 10 points more than W. But of course, for B there's a big potential on the left and right sides.
JachUGAN [11k\]: i may have 11kyu but maybe i'm stronger =P
mcc: eurogotv1. how u count the time?
SBA [8k\]: well, 1d called it as well :)
Shedal [2d\]: W has a central potential now, though
wotan123 [2d\]: K10
zc3k [1k\]: K9
Higanbana [?\]: i don't think i've ever seen a game with 2.5 hours EACH
Citta [1k\]: wow nice quality for a broadcast, good view on the board
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: thx
Dgom69 [1k?\]: cool! I won this move!
onegoal [3k\]: good acting by the players too
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ^^
Shedal [2d\]: By the way, this is a very good move. Not only W gained a central moyo now, but also the B group is not completely alive yet
sameasyou [2d\]: tengen
gabigo [4k?\]: how much time left?
JachUGAN [11k\]: on the other stream kang was kinda intimidated by the camera when i checked 30min ago
Dgom69 [1k?\]: k10
Dgom69 [1k?\]: or k9
st21 [-\]: b around 70 points
Q161 [?\]: i would also like to know times :)
mcc: why the time not running?
Hellhuman [1d\]: Rob van Zeijst 7d(B) looks somehow... nerdy o_O?
goodminton [-\]: i count b 22 ll, 10+ ul, 17 ur, 11+ lr, 6 center = 66, w 24 u, 10 center, 6 komi has to have 26 more in coming combat not so easy
KoReNJe [3d\]: hellooooo
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B 77 W 98 minutes left
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;B[mr]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hi KoReNJe
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
KoReNJe [3d\]: who's the strongest on the tournament?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Mok
JachUGAN [11k\]: until now i guess kang
SBA [8k\]: nice one
KoReNJe [3d\]: who's kang
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 9p
KoReNJe [3d\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: where are the results
JachUGAN [11k\]: oh i didn't know there was a 9p in the tn
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Mok is 9p
KoReNJe [3d\]: hurry
KoReNJe [3d\]: results
gluiwiya [4k\]: b is right, ignore w m11
Kantid [3k\]: kang? is't this some character from mortal kombat?
Q161 [?\]: liu kang!!!
MilanChe [-\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: zeijst playing on kgs?
JachUGAN [11k\]: nah she's a woman
Dagobert [3d\]: zeijst = nonochan
Bazilikan [2k\]: no way
Q161 [?\]: nonochan is a girl
Kickchon [?\]: when did this game start?
Dagobert [3d\]: 2.5h ago
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2 hours ago
vannab [3k\]: zeijst=zaph
Kickchon [?\]: wow
JachUGAN [11k\]: around 1hour and half ago
Kickchon [?\]: so what? 2,5 2 or 1,5? :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2.15
Kickchon [?\]: ty
Dagobert [3d\]: official start was 2h 30min ago
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;W[pp]C[KoReNJe [3d\]: oops
Kantid [3k\]: and unofficial?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 2.15
Dagobert [3d\]: it´s a go tournament .. guess :p
Wagaboo [11k\]: ine about 2h30 they'll be in byo yomi
Q161 [?\]: is there a main page from which we can access pairings, results, etc?
Kickchon [?\]: this is a really slow game, just move 70, wow
Werfeus [4d\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/
NorthWind [5k\]: kick-off delayed by fog
Q161 [?\]: ty
mcc: u dont think
KoReNJe [3d\]: how come I never heard of zeijst before
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: time enough to bet on the next move for VIPpoints^^
Dagobert [3d\]: korenje .. be glad :p
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: because you are deaf?
KoReNJe [3d\]: true true....
Werfeus [4d\]: i believe it was zeijst who won some years ago with 10 wins..
donzet [?\]: i bet all i got on r3
plusguy [3d\]: wohoo white have a nice plan
cherisse [1k\]: how to bet?
plusguy [3d\]: but its gonna be hard to execute
Bazilikan [2k\]: bet kyus
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you can only bet 1 point donzet
JachUGAN [11k\]: hs question: did anyone read Joseki fundamentals volume 1 by Jasiek?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: and if more then 50% of the betters is right the bets are cancelled
donzet [?\]: mhh may be better like that
Martin82 [11k?\]: r4
Dagobert [3d\]: i think jasiek did .. but noone else
Bazilikan [2k\]: t1
donzet [?\]: anyway i am actually at 0 that a pitty
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
KoReNJe [3d\]: did cornel have any chances against kghan?
grumpyjoe [-\]: i bet that b wins
KoReNJe [3d\]: kang*
JachUGAN [11k\]: well i just wanna know the value if that book =)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: you cannot bet on the outcome of the game
atomix [1d\]: what if 5 betters and 2 are right?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only on the next move
Dagobert [3d\]: only me? oO
koha [1d\]: points are rounded down
grumpyjoe [-\]: oh
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: then each wins 2 and i get the last point^^
grumpyjoe [-\]: r4
koha [1d\]: you must have a lot of points EuroGo
Q161 [?\]: so if mok is in the tournament how come he hasnt played yet?
atomix [1d\]: oh, rigged :p
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes^^
Dagobert [3d\]: all kyus go and bet! i want points!
gabigo [4k?\]: p3?
Wagaboo [11k\]: ok ^^
XRF [1d\]: R4 is better, I think
Wagaboo [11k\]: i bet 
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: so calculation is floor(bets/winners)
Kantid [3k\]: all that greedy dans.. go, play poker!
Wagaboo [11k\]: A19
schwiggity [6k?\]: zeijst is fondling his stones nervously
Dagobert [3d\]: but i always lose money when i play poker :/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: here  you lose more^^
Bazilikan [2k\]: so youll lewarn to stop being greedy
Bazilikan [2k\]: p4 
qgo [4k\]: the greed to win takes the win away
Bazilikan [2k\]: i hate that proverb
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: betting takes place on EuroGoTV, besides the Live TV screen
qgo [4k\]: it is also treu in poker
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;B[qq]C[qgo [4k\]: true*
JachUGAN [11k\]: if he plays R4 i guess he'll get N2 cut isn't it?
Bazilikan [2k\]: is there a live video feeD?
Larrave [1d\]: too bad
Dagobert [3d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Larrave [1d\]: r3 was too obvious=/
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: somebody won 8 VIP points last move
Larrave [1d\]: i just got my point back
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes, you placed your bet too late
Larrave [1d\]: ah
Larrave [1d\]: stupid^^
Bazilikan [2k\]: you have to have an account
Bazilikan [2k\]: lame
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: must be 30 seconds before move is made
Larrave [1d\]: i was tipping on it but i saw i forgot to click yes
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Larrave [1d\]: yes=/
Kickchon [?\]: how do i get initial betting points ?
Kantid [3k\]: so you must not just guess - where is the next pro's move, but also you must do it faster than pro?
Q161 [?\]: yep :D
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: by tagging photos; each tag 1 point
gabigo [4k?\]: if r3 was so obvious why is catalin taking his time here?
donzet [?\]: pff with 0 points noo chance to start winning
goodminton [-\]: m11 ladder breaker!
Shedal [2d\]: And what can you spend these VIP points on? Except for becoming a pro for 10000000, of course
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: start tagging Fredrik
Kickchon [?\]: ow, i dont know noone so, no tagging for me :P
donzet [?\]: banker must be more generous
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
gluiwiya [4k\]: w has very good chance to win, cos he is waken
goodminton [-\]: he is what?
Q161 [?\]: waken
Shedal [2d\]: kraken?
Shedal [2d\]: taken?
goodminton [-\]: awoken?
Shedal [2d\]: awake?
Kantid [3k\]: i don't like this idea with bet. dans stoped sharing their thought about next move
vannab [3k\]: awake?
m0nkeyman [2k\]: wacked?
NschoTschi [-\]: difficult game for w
Shedal [2d\]: wasted?
Piggen94 [5k\]: lol
goodminton [-\]: wicked thats it ^^
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: hmm didnt think about that Kantid
Q161 [?\]: most of the dans in this game are asleep lol
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: Is that a bag of raisins on the table behind the clock?
schwiggity [6k?\]: yes
Sarcoma [11k\]: yes that's what I thought
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;W[qi]C[Sarcoma [11k\]: must be sponsorship
goodminton [-\]: if the dans are asleep then it becomes a game between kyus right? ;-)
typohh [6k\]: b r9 next?
NschoTschi [-\]: Harry, you got sth new from Artem or Ilya?
KoReNJe [3d\]: so many koreans on the tournament
NorthWind [5k\]: they could halve the time limit and the quality would be the same
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no news
Shedal [2d\]: aaah... to bad Artem is playing on the 3rd table...
JachUGAN [11k\]: don't complain about the time, for them they don't even feel it pass
onegoal [3k\]: slow games are awesome
NschoTschi [-\]: and torsten Knauf at board 6 against Kim JungHyeop?
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;B[ri]C[Shedal [2d\]: Hope he's winning... then he'll be translated the next time
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: only 2 boards in this room
NschoTschi [-\]: ah Ic
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: board 3 and 4 also 1 room
KoReNJe [3d\]: and a lot of car noise
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;W[bj]C[NschoTschi [-\]: thanks for inf
NschoTschi [-\]: o
KoReNJe [3d\]: hmm
Q161 [?\]: lol
Shedal [2d\]: So Shikshin plays in the same room as Artem
Q161 [?\]: robert laughed at this move
Dagobert [3d\]: catalin smiled ;-)
Q161 [?\]: and then catalin smiled
donzet [?\]: i prefer b10 spirit than r11
Shedal [2d\]: and catalin smiled
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;B[bh]C[JachUGAN [11k\]: i guess B10 is a reducing move isn't it?
Dagobert [3d\]: yes it is
gluiwiya [4k\]: b is so conservative, w probably has the big territory
NschoTschi [-\]: tengen seems a nice shape point and difficult timing
Bazilikan [2k\]: aw we dont get to see people in the background
Martin82 [11k?\]: reducing and kind of cutting (ul from ll), right?
Martin82 [11k?\]: and all that in sente
Shedal [2d\]: not neccessarily in sente
Shedal [2d\]: are you sure the W stone can't be cut off now?
Q161 [?\]: if it is sente i feel w will pay for it later
Martin82 [11k?\]: you think b could have tennukied?
Shedal [2d\]: no
schwiggity [6k?\]: b wants more raisins lol
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: lol
Martin82 [11k?\]: ah you mean w needs another (gote) move there, i see.
Bazilikan [2k\]: b needs contacts
Q161 [?\]: no, just raisins
Bazilikan [2k\]: b looks like a raisin
batubiru [3k\]: b solid
schwiggity [6k?\]: lol
Q161 [?\]: imo w needs to add a move here
Q161 [?\]: or b takes everything back
Bazilikan [2k\]: b is not solid look how flimsy he looks
JachUGAN [11k\]: c11 maybe?
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;W[fr]C[Kantid [3k\]: b is just another sof squishy meatbug
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;B[mq]C[sufferable: b does not look flimsy
Stefany93 [15k\]: :)
Stefany93 [15k\]: :)
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;W[lp]C[Oleksandr [1k\]: Taranu in so bad position
mcc: white win 
Kantid [3k\]: keep saying that and soon you will believe it yourself
sufferable: w not much cash
Oleksandr [1k\]: difficult with territory
Stefany93 [15k\]: wow
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;B[ni]
;W[oh]
;B[ki]
;W[lk]
;B[kj]C[donzet [?\]: Everybody wellcome next year EGC2011 is very well located, and charges not so expensives http://www.egc2011.eu/
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;W[dr]
;B[cr]C[Kantid [3k\]: now that was a reduction
Kantid [3k\]: l10 i mean
sufferable: w must show his pro strength to win
sufferable: gu li beat changho today
Shedal [2d\]: W starts yose? :)
Bruno [1d\]: .
Kantid [3k\]: changho lost a lot of games lately
Bruno [1d\]: who is winning?
wolokom [5k\]: white needs a few quick moves
sufferable: changho has won alot lately
sufferable: this year he is strong
hgh01 [16k\]: did anybody know the result of Alexander Dinerchtein today?
FangFa [2d\]: does b plays on kgs ?
Dagobert [3d\]: b = nonochan
Dagobert [3d\]: and yes ... b is a girl
Dino9 [6d\]: b is zaph
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;W[kk]C[Piggen94 [5k\]: lol, b is not a girl
Shedal [2d\]: Hey, hey! There's a guy in orange T-shirt walking around! Ask him to look at Artem's game! :-))
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;B[lj]
;W[mj]
;B[mk]C[o3epo [1k\]: EuroGoTV, Who won Ilia or Ali?
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;W[nj]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know
sufferable: ali is the greatest
o3epo [1k\]: thanks
NschoTschi [-\]: EuroGoTV is greatest
zc3k [1k\]: zc best
avio [2d\]: b can't be nonochan
bigols [5d\]: it is
Kantid [3k\]: because nonochan is the greatest?
MilanMilan [9d\]: w leads a bit 
NorthWind [5k\]: q5
avio [2d\]: b should be at least 8 dan on kgs
Shedal [2d\]: he's [9d?\]
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;B[jk]
;W[jl]C[JachUGAN [11k\]: his curve is over 9dan in KGS =P
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;B[ik]
;W[il]C[Shedal [2d\]: K3?
Piggen94 [5k\]: b k3 then l2?
sufferable: milan w leads a bit so do you mean b played a bad moves just then?
cherisse [1k\]: catalin looks troubled
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: s6
Piggen94 [5k\]: l2 wrong hehe
Shedal [2d\]: he should be troubled. He's in trouble, after all!
onegoal [3k\]: i like n8 just for later
veiron [10k\]: q8
veiron [10k\]: black q8
gdghgjd [2d\]: L3?
Kantid [3k\]: p4 
NschoTschi [-\]: k3 or p6 
Shedal [2d\]: both L3 and L4 are gote for B. Probably that would be the wrong timing tp play them right now
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;B[kq]C[Shedal [2d\]: I mean, L3 and K3
Shedal [2d\]: oops :)
Draqon [1k\]: ;-)
altrecop [1k\]: :D
Anubis [-\]: QED :p
just9x9 [-\]: 2d gote is 7d sente :)
boatlord [6d\]: great moments in kibitz history
Koukkaaja [3d\]: 8d comments are always welcome
Shedal [2d\]: ok, wrong timing on my messages ;-)
raingirl [-\]: good afternoon :)
scurge [5d\]: white looks bad bad bad
altrecop [1k\]: boatlord, explain us how od you see the game :)
altrecop [1k\]: or scurge
altrecop [1k\]: or someone with a high number near a d
scurge [5d\]: I see it bad bad bad :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
hgma [?\]: for who
Anubis [1d?\]: 1 is too small :p
altrecop [1k\]: milan milan, you also can teach us a bit :D
FeGo [6d?\]: i guess b is winning
Piggen94 [5k\]: is w milan milan?
Bazilikan [2k\]: w is a man
Anubis [1d?\]: he is online now, so, probably no
altrecop [1k\]: uh no, MilanMilan is watching this game throught KGS 
altrecop [1k\]: :D
Shedal [2d\]: no, milanmilan is Liu Yuanbo
NschoTschi [-\]: w in despiration?
Bruno [1d\]: milan milan who is winning?
Piggen94 [5k\]: ah
sufferable: milan just said that w was a little bit ahead
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
altrecop [1k\]: why is registration needed ;?
sufferable: i guess w has to make some good moves tho
Bazilikan [2k\]: i want to see whats going on in other parts of th building
NorthWind [5k\]: B L4 next 
sufferable: its w move
NorthWind [5k\]: I know
Dagobert [3d\]: to be able to bet :p
Naurul [5k\]: q5
cherisse [1k\]: hello harry potter!
Shedal [2d\]: I bet that some move in the game will be at R9
NschoTschi [-\]: In this game I always find several good moves for b but almost never a good move for w
Morla [6d?\]: and even so b is bit behind? :)
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;W[nq]C[wolokom [5k\]: w will surrender because it is elswere too slow
maoxiong [2k\]: hi
Bruno [1d\]: o 4
wolokom [5k\]:       I guess
maoxiong [2k\]: hi
typohh [6k\]: b o4?
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;B[nr]C[Bruno [1d\]: too risky
Shedal [2d\]: W's territory is getting smaller and smaller
gluiwiya [4k\]: p3
NorthWind [5k\]: coastal erosion
Asaliuru [3k\]: rather moyo
Stefany93 [15k\]: :|
NschoTschi [-\]: Morla you really see b behind?
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: b already has a knife under w belly
Morla [6d?\]: i think its even, milan milan suggest that
donzet [?\]: rob is not nervous anymore
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Artem is winning
A1R [4k\]: sure?
NschoTschi [-\]: hmm always hard to judge pro positions....
gabigo [4k?\]: b seems relaxed
just9x9 [-\]: against?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Ilia-ali i dont know
A1R [4k\]: chaelim kim?
NorthWind [5k\]: nice, soon Artem on board 1
Shedal [2d\]: ok, how it can be even? B has a lot more points! And also some potential
crizz [2k\]: what about cornel?
Shedal [2d\]: Yeeehaaa!!! Artem is winning!!!!
ww [?\]: who he play
A1R [4k\]: chaelim kim i think
Morla [6d?\]: same as white Shedal :)
sdsd: i think catalin must be magic to win this game
ww [?\]: how about ilya
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;W[kp]C[EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am not strong enough to see if ilia is winning
Bruno [1d\]: N 8
FeGo [6d?\]: n8 soon?
kjp [1k\]: Q5 soon
Bruno [1d\]: k 3 is small
Bruno [1d\]: yet
altrecop [1k\]: r8 ?
NschoTschi [-\]: K3 is small?
NschoTschi [-\]: no way
Bazilikan [2k\]: k3 
Bazilikan [2k\]: i bet
NorthWind [5k\]: k3
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;B[jq]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: ha
Bazilikan [2k\]: were such cheaters
Bruno [1d\]: then white have the advantage at r10 area
cxzc: who is winning?
Bazilikan [2k\]: what does s.e. say?
NschoTschi [-\]: w+2.5
NschoTschi [-\]: but much too early for SE
NorthWind [5k\]: now B has h3 sente ?
Shedal [2d\]: I say B+ ~10
NschoTschi [-\]: no North
NschoTschi [-\]: f6  dead
cxzc: please give serious answer
NorthWind [5k\]: oh lol 
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;W[pn]C[qgo [4k\]: p4
NorthWind [5k\]: forgot that NT :)
NschoTschi [-\]: p4 gote
Bazilikan [2k\]: i wonder what is going though there heads
NschoTschi [-\]: maybe n8 to create more aji?
goodminton [-\]: k3 has h3 as follow up
Draqon [1k\]: caffeine?
NschoTschi [-\]: cocaine?
smartrobot [9d?\]: b is leading far
NschoTschi [-\]: :)
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
smartrobot [9d?\]: i think w played too soft
qgo [4k\]: q6 = ladder breaker
smartrobot [9d?\]: w is not active in this game
goodminton [-\]: milan saw w ahead a little i am astonished
Draqon [1k\]: who is milan?
onegoal [3k\]: that was while ago
st21 [-\]: milan 3p
mcc: milan milan
sufferable: maybe w made a bad move or something
kenjiro43 [6k\]: MIlan Milan is 3p?
mcc: no
mcc: white win
bluelover [10k\]: ^^
Bazilikan [2k\]: i agree
kenjiro43 [6k\]: True that
cxzc: r6 ?
Tomodachi2 [3d\]: white didnt force black into having a unstable group.. rendering his thickness rather useless
reter: about 3-5 for black
goodminton [-\]: so many big points left cannot count precisely
Bazilikan [2k\]: c9 ?
cxzc: r10 or r6 ı think..
goodminton [-\]: h3 big enough?
Draqon [1k\]: p5 possible?
qgo [4k\]: white ceter getting to big
qgo [4k\]: center*
sufferable: h3 is not 
mcc: white win
Bazilikan [2k\]: p5 intresting
Emerson [6k\]: Black is a kgs 6d right?
mcc: black resign
Draqon [1k\]: mcc, please be serious
shinosei [15k\]: g15 might be big enugh (then nagain it might be a bad move i am still just a 15k after all)
kvartaali [?\]: n8-q8
altrecop [1k\]: the "pro grade" people have means also the dan? or a 2p is always better than a 9d amateur?
MoogleOo [2d\]: p>d
erna [7k\]: Sorry, just arrived: does b has a kgs-nick?
NorthWind [5k\]: q5
onegoal [3k\]: there's no always
gabigo [4k?\]: there is no 9dan ama
JachUGAN [11k\]: hahahaha fantastic question erna =)
Bazilikan [2k\]: somebody left a cup of tea and a go board in the snow
engelchen [1d\]: kyu eight
mooooo [7k\]: 7d ama is the best usually i think only special times 8d
kenjiro43 [6k\]: I want that go board
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
sufferable: q5 looks like a really bad idea
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: Q8
blackmoa [3k\]: korean 7d amateurs might be better than some japanese 9p
NorthWind [5k\]: lol , thanks
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah i guess it's zaph =)
tumbao [3k\]: eric dai   9 D  kgs 
altrecop [1k\]: thanks for answers too
tumbao [3k\]: french amateur
blackmoa [3k\]: but i think you can say that a young pro is better than a amateur ;)
Elandal [4k\]: Aquilar is amateur who eats 9p's
kenjiro43 [6k\]: not quite
Bazilikan [2k\]: are they tasty?
altrecop [1k\]: eing? seriously?
mooooo [7k\]: aquilar got lucky one time
altrecop [1k\]: and why doesn't he get a P title?
onegoal [3k\]: two times
kenjiro43 [6k\]: who gives 3?
Emerson [6k\]: bbw beat a 9p too
Elandal [4k\]: Luck is just a skill others refuse to acknowledge as such.
JachUGAN [11k\]: you get a p either when you're allowed to play pro tn or as a gift (in korea) if you help promote go in the world
Bazilikan [2k\]: how do you practice in luck?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Luck is an art
Laman [1d\]: whom did he beat?
NorthWind [5k\]: q5 p5  p6
Emerson [6k\]: fan hui or something
st21 [-\]: fan is 2p
Emerson [6k\]: dunno but he beat a 9p girl
yakotaki [-\]: hi fan
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Welcome Guo Juan
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
altrecop [1k\]: lol GuaJuan can you explain that a bit please?
Bruno [1d\]: Guo Juan, who is leadding?
altrecop [1k\]: How does P title work around level ;?
sdsd: can w kill j12 group_
FangFa [2d\]: lol
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Guo Juan, what do you think about his game?
Elandal [4k\]: The same as everything, Bazilikan: blood, sweat, and tears.
sdsd: ?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: this game
Bazilikan [2k\]: hmm
Scrlwrm [4k\]: catalin taranu is a japanese pro?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Yes
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah he is
Bazilikan [2k\]: you have to add the [2k\]
bfm [-\]: no
Bruno [1d\]: rumanian japanese pro
Scrlwrm [4k\]: cool ^^ go rob van zeijst!
Bazilikan [2k\]: i
JachUGAN [11k\]: may the best win 
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Go Catalin!
altrecop [1k\]: but you go some day to Japan an say... "I wanna do an exam for the Pro title", how does it worn?
altrecop [1k\]: work
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Hard
JachUGAN [11k\]: you have to be less than 30
JachUGAN [11k\]: and be good enough to win the insei tournament
Bruno [1d\]: I do prefere support Rob 'couse he is weaker...is like david y goliath
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Need to win insei tournaments
blackmoa [3k\]: no as a foreigner you are allowed to take the exam when you are older , too
onegoal [3k\]: always root for the amateru
JachUGAN [11k\]: oh really?
Kanin [-\]: how can white win from here?
engelchen [1d\]: eurogo can make motobike noises with his mouth
Kanin [-\]: rob just needs to keep on playing well
Bruno [1d\]: you can be insei under the age of 18
JachUGAN [11k\]: then my dream of becoming a pro is still possible =P
blackmoa [3k\]: i think you go to the nihon kiin and ask xD
Bazoldi [17k\]: I heard foreigner could be insei after 18 but not be pro after 30
blackmoa [3k\]: they should be able to explain it to you ;)
kenjiro43 [6k\]: You can be pro under 18
JachUGAN [11k\]: what about korea
JachUGAN [11k\]: is there an age limit?
Bruno [1d\]: korea is until 25
tomejek [12k?\]: there are some falks who turned  pro at the age of 11
tomejek [12k?\]: :D
kenjiro43 [6k\]: You can be pro everywhere
Laman [1d\]: in korea it is too hard
kenjiro43 [6k\]: If you beat them all
JachUGAN [11k\]: laal i'm screwed then =P
Bruno [1d\]: after 30 you can only be teacher
Bruno [1d\]: in korea
Bazilikan [2k\]: this game is going no where fast
JachUGAN [11k\]: still u can play the amateur samsung cup isn't it?
rejuv [4d\]: why is catalin watching kang's game lol
gabigo [4k?\]: how much time left?
rejuv [4d\]: is this game still going on?
JachUGAN [11k\]: the winner gets to play the samsung pro cup
NorthWind [5k\]: B must be working on something tricky .. thought so long
maligo [-\]: he is watching csabas game
NorthWind [5k\]: lol
blackmoa [3k\]: time for the cho chikun tesuji xD
stf7 [1k\]: he was thinking about watching csaba game?
Draqon [1k\]: Catalin is cheating: he looks for tesuji patterns on the other gobans
kvartaali [?\]: wonder if black is counting if he needs to do anything difficult here
blackmoa [3k\]: " was it my turn?" ;)
kvartaali [?\]: might just be enough to play easy
just9x9 [-\]: lol
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Draqon get a life ;)
Bruno [1d\]: N 8 is obvious
Bruno [1d\]: :)
kenjiro43 [6k\]: So easy
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
Shedal [2d\]: Any news on Artem and Ilya?
Kickchon [?\]: i would play o5
Weishenme [4d\]: B+ 7 at the moment
rs220675 [1k\]: imo white is leading comfortably
kvartaali [?\]: :P
Bazilikan [2k\]: he looked at me!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: Artem won his game
misjoe [2k\]: are the players on lunch break ?
NschoTschi [-\]: What about the time?
Shedal [2d\]: YEEEHAA!!!!!!!!!
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Good job Artem
Weishenme [4d\]: B leading
yuuubeiiii [4k\]: go ben arfa
engelchen [1d\]: b asking eurogo for the SE
onegoal [3k\]: i think w is a shure win, but maybe not in this game
NorthWind [5k\]: no lunch break.. a slave brings a banana
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Q161 [?\]: w still looks behind to me
gabigo [4k?\]: how much time eurogo?
rs220675 [1k\]: what about n8 and then q8?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a lot of time
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;B[pl]C[LEIBNIZ [3k\]: :)
engelchen [1d\]: finally
]
;W[qn]C[kenjiro43 [6k\]: wow!
sdsd: R8_
NorthWind [5k\]: the eagle has landed
kvartaali [?\]: u guys know that it's 30 degrees celcius in Finland?.. Kinda doesn't fit the eurogotv picture :)
cherisse [1k\]: catalin is a 9k on kgs
NschoTschi [-\]: r9 
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;B[qk]C[misjoe [2k\]: 30 degrees ?  an
snowman [-\]: the picture is from last summer :)
Shedal [2d\]: lol, kvartaali :)
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;W[qp]C[misjoe [2k\]: and it´s nearly freezing here in Belgium !
Q161 [?\]: kgs kyus are worlds strongest players
FeGo [6d?\]: n8?
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;B[ml]C[kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
JachUGAN [11k\]: lool it's not that hot in Sweden
kenjiro43 [6k\]: LOL
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;W[lm]C[st21 [-\]: +1 vip point
Pingu007 [2d\]: im arriving in tampere in some days; i expect good weather :)
]
;B[mm]C[NschoTschi [-\]: p5 ?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: KGS kyus are world's strongest kibitzers
Q161 [?\]: imo w can resign
AllNewSad [3d\]: p8 
Naurul [5k\]: b win
Bazilikan [2k\]: 9d at kibitzing
kenjiro43 [6k\]: At least
kvartaali [?\]: Pingu maybe, they're saying the weather should hold for atleast this week
kenjiro43 [6k\]: ;)
Drofund [3k\]: and were proud of it ^^
NorthWind [5k\]: aww shucks *blush*
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Yeap, so proud
st21 [-\]: why w must resign?
Bazilikan [2k\]: the weaker the playing the stonger the kibitzer
erkkierkki [6k\]: well kyus has to be because dans would be dibitzergs
Q161 [?\]: because hes very far behind
erkkierkki [6k\]: dibitzers
NschoTschi [-\]: w about to catch up no?
misjoe [2k\]: I think Rob got motivated to come and play in Europe with the new wave of strong players... nice to see he´s doing well
Bazilikan [2k\]: 30k really stands for 30 kibitz
kenjiro43 [6k\]: power
FeGo [6d?\]: b will win big
Bazilikan [2k\]: kibitz power
kenjiro43 [6k\]: yeap
Naurul [5k\]: b win by resign
LEIBNIZ [3k\]: w needs to bring out the fan
tomejek [12k?\]: how come 7d can beat 5p?:D
Bazilikan [2k\]: not the fan!!
NschoTschi [-\]: White is the Professional!
sufferable: p8 does not work
Drofund [3k\]: because he's dutch!
tomejek [12k?\]: :>
kvartaali [?\]: egf 7d amas are pretty strong..
FeGo [6d?\]: 7d egf are same level than weak pro
NschoTschi [-\]: HAs Rob been INsei?
Drofund [3k\]: yes
Bazilikan [2k\]: time for a1
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
tomejek [12k?\]: 5p isnt a weak pro i guess
rs220675 [1k\]: I'm for black...i don't like pro's ...they behave like they are something better, but they aren't...many 6,7d's can beat pros
engelchen [1d\]: b is the raisin star
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Nope Bazilikan-a1 my move
FeGo [6d?\]: 5p weak if compared to 9p
tomejek [12k?\]: haha
Q161 [?\]: rs tell it to lee chang ho
NorthWind [5k\]: haha
tomejek [12k?\]: :D
tomejek [12k?\]: good point;p
stalkor [1d?\]: lol you guys sound like pros are unbeatable opponent, but thats not true for 6d/7d players
NschoTschi [-\]: 9p weak compared to other 9p
Bazilikan [2k\]: pros are not people there ideas
Drofund [3k\]: lol
altrecop [1k\]: that's why i sitll don't understand the difference between P and just D
altrecop [1k\]: if someone can explain...
Drofund [3k\]: once you turn pro, youre not human anymore?
Elandal [4k\]: I would prefer Catalin, so he'd get a good shot at European Championship.
misjoe [2k\]: B probaby beat more pros in his life than I ever will... even if they blindfold all those pros and give me 9 stones handicap
engelchen [1d\]: pros are just paid amas
raingirl [-\]: pros are not a big deal, unles they're called Chuck Norris
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Altrecop-P and D are different letters
raingirl [-\]: *unless
Bazilikan [2k\]: P is like a knighted version of D
misjoe [2k\]: good comparison, bazilikan :)
altrecop [1k\]: o damn. Why I try to learn things in KGS... It's obvious that it's impossible.
tomejek [12k?\]: haha
tomejek [12k?\]: :D
kenjiro43 [6k\]: LOL
misjoe [2k\]: you take an exam against a million super motivated guys and if you happen to get lucky, you can call yourself pro
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;W[oq]C[NorthWind [5k\]: P is like D with an income
]
;B[or]
;W[rp]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: hahaha
Q161 [?\]: misjoe i dont think luck is the word youre looking for lol
onegoal [3k\]: most d have higher income
Bazilikan [2k\]: thats what i was gonnna say
maligo [-\]: p is d upside down
Bazilikan [2k\]: O-o
tomejek [12k?\]: ^^
Naurul [5k\]: d10
JachUGAN [11k\]: being paid pro make mort effort to be stronger
mcc: p n d is bro...
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;B[rq]C[marius1 [1d\]: uneasy game for w
sufferable: b is connected as long as l8 m8 m6 is forceable
BALLZ [3k\]: definition of go pro is not being paid, but being acknowledged by certain organizations :P
misjoe [2k\]: q161, for me, lowly kyu, it always seems like dans and pros win by pure luck
raingirl [-\]: yay Rob is going to win! \\o/
altrecop [1k\]: FeGo, so there is no level differencs between Ds and Ps, just a title that let you play some tourneys in represetation of some Go federation? Right?
NschoTschi [-\]: B should tenuki asap
Kantid [3k\]: being acknoleged is good, but even pros must eat something
misjoe [2k\]: altrecop: pro players do nothing else, while dans may have another life... that can result in pros being a bit stronger
Drofund [3k\]: well, i dont think there's much comparison between the best pros and the best ama's
gabigo [4k?\]: and ussualy only the best D's gaet to be P's
gabigo [4k?\]: get*
Dgom69 [1k?\]: I feel that white can split the N8 groups from the Q8...
misjoe [2k\]: there are a few non-pro dan players that can beat the higher pros, but it is quite rare
Bazilikan [2k\]: w is better looking then b...
sufferable: how to split the n8 groups from q8
rejuv [4d\]: can't
Kantid [3k\]: he is visiting gym?
Q161 [?\]: w losing by a lot
cherisse [1k\]: oh they are still playing on this part of the board
Q161 [?\]: dont see what he can do
JachUGAN [11k\]: maybe by playing P8
Bazilikan [2k\]: b reminds me of a hamstetr
sufferable: p8 p7 p9 q7 o7 o6 o8 l8 m8 m6 l7 o6 o8 p6 
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;W[ob]C[rejuv [4d\]: big
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i use i but no j
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;B[qc]C[st21 [-\]: w will win
Bazilikan [2k\]: nah
JachUGAN [11k\]: is R17 a tesuji in this case?
sameasyou [2d\]: can b lose?
cube [6k\]: how
Bazilikan [2k\]: w has no terrotory
Weishenme [4d\]: B+ 9
sufferable: i think b is playing well
Feelss [9k\]: who win?
elvard [2k\]: sure he can
yuuubeiiii [4k\]: why r17?  to make q19 gote?
mcc: w win..2,5
Bazilikan [2k\]: euro go can i have control?
Kantid [3k\]: w has komi - it's enough ^_^
Bazilikan [2k\]: ._.
cherisse [1k\]: but w is getting all the sente? camong b
Bazilikan [2k\]: h3?
Weishenme [4d\]: E14
sufferable: r17 prevents w go r18
Martin82 [11k?\]: i think r17 shows bs confidence that he is clearly ahead
rejuv [4d\]: e14 nothing lol
myko [10k\]: I wonder why Q17 (instead of R17) was not safe enough
Bruno [1d\]: M 6 for b is sente
boatlord [6d\]: counting w behind about 10-15 atm
sufferable: it is important to protect with r17
Bazilikan [2k\]: Q17 is bad
sdsd: C13
marius1 [1d\]: impossible mission for w
Drofund [3k\]: r17 is like the normal response to p19 no?
elvard [2k\]: I wonder why w played 2-3 very slow moves during opening, while black was just taking profit and influence
sufferable: myko q17 and w q19 sente 
inlite [5k\]: r10
kenjiro43 [6k\]: This game will be very long
kenjiro43 [6k\]: I guess
Bazilikan [2k\]: it already is
kenjiro43 [6k\]: They didn't reach byo-yomi
NorthWind [5k\]: good prediction after 3 hrs 45 mins 
zakatan [6k\]: what are the time settings?
myko [10k\]: Thank you, sufferable.
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Thank you Northwind
Bazilikan [2k\]: there should be a tournemnt with no time limit
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :D
sufferable: this game moves rather quickly compared to the gu li changho game earlier
blackmoa [3k\]: bad idea bazilikan xD
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Yeap
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Many exhausted players
kenjiro43 [6k\]: all over
JachUGAN [11k\]: anyone participating in the leksand open in august?
NorthWind [5k\]: even life has a time limit
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;W[nn]C[kenjiro43 [6k\]: Not your's
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
SciSan [5k?\]: not really
Dontgoplz [19k\]: not if you drink blood
NorthWind [5k\]: heh
zakatan [6k\]: vampires eventually die too
kenjiro43 [6k\]: The wind exists
Kantid [3k\]: no time limits for life if you've got 2 eyes
kenjiro43 [6k\]: since always
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :D
blackmoa [3k\]: but if you drink blood you are gettin stalked by little girls ;)
Bruno [1d\]: G 8 is the losing move
kenjiro43 [6k\]: LOL Blackmoa
kenjiro43 [6k\]: y bruno?
Bruno [1d\]: ?
inlite [5k\]: w can cut
Shedal [2d\]: Yeah, G8 seemed over-steady for me too
sufferable: b could play j16 
kvartaali [?\]: L7 seems huge
stalkor [1d?\]: eurogotv, how much time is left for the players?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: aot
kvartaali [?\]: works with O4
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: a lot
bek: jkgh
sufferable: l7 does not work
Dontgoplz [19k\]: what is 5p rank compared to 7d?
sufferable: w is threatening to cut but b could tenuki for a bit
blackmoa [3k\]: depends on the 7d and the 5p
Naurul [5k\]: o9
Shedal [2d\]: I would ask the other way: what is 1p compared to 9p?
JachUGAN [11k\]: 3 or 4 stones max
Shedal [2d\]: sometimes there's no difference
NorthWind [5k\]: B needs p7 or so ? otherwise lose n7
JachUGAN [11k\]: sometimes no differences
blackmoa [3k\]: a 9p usually has been a pro for a longer time
Shedal [2d\]: and I don't think there can be more than 2 stones between 1p and 9p
kenjiro43 [6k\]: ?
sufferable: i like j16 j17 h16 h17 g15 
JachUGAN [11k\]: well between a genius 1p and a very bad 9p maybe =P
Zahlman [1k\]: w won't h17, sufferable
Dontgoplz [19k\]: I asked d vs p, not p vs p :)
Zahlman [1k\]: ... I think
Shedal [2d\]: A genius 1p gives 2 stones handi to a bad 9p, or..? :-)
reter:  P8 is a cut now
Kantid [3k\]: i heard there is 1/3 stone difference between p's
gobanban [3k\]: what is a bad 9p?
blackmoa [3k\]: the 1p nowadays are quite strong xD
Zahlman [1k\]: actually probably won't even j17
JachUGAN [11k\]: nah the opposite =)
Zahlman [1k\]: connect there is quite small since both sides healthy
Q161 [?\]: what are the timers?
Shedal [2d\]: a bad 9p is O Rissei. He lose to Dinerchtein :)
kenjiro43 [6k\]: A bad 9p can't kibitz
Elandal [4k\]: There is a pro rating list that has ratings calculated for them from their games. Based on rating differences, it didn't seem to be about pro rank but about individual.
sufferable: then w will have less points
erkkierkki [6k\]: bad 9p is maybe pro who never won titles but got his rank by winning 1000 games or so
Drofund [3k\]: o rissei not bad :/
mcc: white win
Drofund [3k\]: o rissei is great
mcc: 2.5
Kantid [3k\]: bad 9p=drunk9p
blackmoa [3k\]: a bad 9p would be a old japanese man who got a 9p title like 50 years ago and never played go afetrwards ;)
Shedal [2d\]: ... or have been great
Dontgoplz [19k\]: why not chinese? 
Emerson [6k\]: Is it just me or is black winning pretty solidly?
SciSan [5k?\]: 9p may be older that avarage pro. Therefore he/she isn't so sharp anymore
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Hard to say
blackmoa [3k\]: i think japan just has more old 9ps who have gotten weaker over the time than china
Elandal [4k\]: Not all old people are senile...
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B29 W56 minutes left
Q161 [?\]: thanks
NorthWind [5k\]: kyus think so Emerson, 9ds think it closer
Q161 [?\]: HURRY UP rob!
Shedal [2d\]: :)
engelchen [1d\]: some got 8p for telling westerners what atari means
SciSan [5k?\]: fact is that brain works best at age of ~20 years
Dontgoplz [19k\]: game froze?
stalkor [1d?\]: i was wondering whose footsteps i heard on the webcam:P
Dagobert [3d\]: dontgo: brain lag
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: lol
Elandal [4k\]: Incorrect fact, SciSan :)
blackmoa [3k\]: hmmmm school's over gtg home now xD
blackmoa [3k\]: maybe tey are still playing when i arrivexD
blackmoa [3k\]: cya guys
hgh01 [16k\]: Hi SciSan I think this is a tale :)
NorthWind [5k\]: take it easy moa
SciSan [5k?\]: I read it from science magazine
kenjiro43 [6k\]: See ya moa
hgh01 [16k\]: Yes but thin about all that hormones ;)
Elandal [4k\]: An old magazine I guess.
SciSan [5k?\]: not really
ProoMas [12k\]: 3 black stones captured?
Bazilikan [2k\]: where?
Bruno [1d\]: no
JachUGAN [11k\]: i hope they have nice chairs =)
ProoMas [12k\]: N7
engelchen [1d\]: old people will never admit their shrinking abilities
parinopeet: could enyone tell me where is this tournament in Tampere?
ProoMas [12k\]: Finland?
Bazilikan [2k\]: were in n7 is black captured?
sufferable: i think j16 is bigger than protecting n7 from getting cut at any rate
Bruno [1d\]: black will move in L 8
Elandal [4k\]: Alexander School
snowman [-\]: Pyynikki School at Hämeenpuisto
parinopeet: thanks
NorthWind [5k\]: left at the roundabout
Bazilikan [2k\]: l8 m8 m6 l7 n6 
st21 [-\]: w ahead
nasnad [2d\]: w looks better
snowman [-\]: two schools actually :)
Shedal [2d\]: parinopeet, please go there with a laptop right now and be an insder for us!
Bazilikan [2k\]: more rasins?
snowman [-\]: this game in Pyynikki, the main congress site is Aleksanteri
SuvorovAl [-\]: SciSan, this fact is right for general people? not for go players))
Elandal [4k\]: A separate school for top two boards?
snowman [-\]: for top one hundred boards
snowman [-\]: high school for dan players, elementary school for kyu players
snowman [-\]: coincidence? you may ask
NorthWind [5k\]: waaaah
Bazilikan [2k\]: collage for pros?
JachUGAN [11k\]: kindergarden for 20kyu+ =D
Dontgoplz [19k\]: i'd beat them all there ^^
Shedal [2d\]: you sure would
Elandal [4k\]: tiny chairs? :)
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;B[jp]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: woah
SciSan [5k?\]: I was talking about general people. I just assumed that Go players are humans too :)
JachUGAN [11k\]: sugoiiii =P
Dontgoplz [19k\]: assumption is a bad habit
NorthWind [5k\]: W p8 ?
Elandal [4k\]: Still it's not correct at least according to what I've read. Neurology isn't what it used to be.
mcc: white win
Q161 [?\]: white lose
Shedal [2d\]: a DRAW!
Q161 [?\]: shogi
mcc: no draw stupid
Elandal [4k\]: They halve one stone to get a draw?
Q161 [?\]: mate in 3
sufferable: w lose more if captuyre n7
aertan [4k\]: none of them on byomi?
JachUGAN [11k\]: they will both give up by exhaustion
mcc: komi 0.5
googler [4d\]: o9 o8 p8 cut
qgo [4k\]: n7 = connected
Q161 [?\]: mcc komi is not 0.5
Dontgoplz [19k\]: give up? harakiri
mcc: komi?
SciSan [5k?\]: It is a a complex concept, to say the least. 
Bruno [1d\]: G14 is the incognit area
sufferable: n7 was connectd until w play o6
Sarcoma [11k\]: komi 6.5
Q161 [?\]: i could say even less scisan
mcc: ok
Bruno [1d\]: something would really change the game there
mcc: white win by komi
jleone [4k\]: how much time is test for each one ?
Sarcoma [11k\]: options>rules 
mcc: 2,5 hour 
Snowbars [2d\]: B ahead
NorthWind [5k\]: well B knew about the cut, thought for ages then played k4 so he doesn't care about it
vijay [?\]: what is the level difference between the 2?
Snowbars [2d\]: sonebody think W is leading
Athanor [-\]: hard to know
Shedal [2d\]: umm, none?
sufferable: the cut is not so big now
Shedal [2d\]: Snowbars, you think that would help him?
Karnesun [5d\]: Дима, привет
Shedal [2d\]: привет
Karnesun [5d\]: Как Шикшин сыграл?
stalkor [1d?\]: i dont see how white can be leading, count the territory
Shedal [2d\]: неизвестно
sheeryjay [1d\]: vijay, Catalin is a japanese pro (albeit not much active in tournaments nowadays), Rob is several times european champion
sufferable: i thought h16 was better than k4 tho
JachUGAN [11k\]: i'd love to know their IQ
sufferable: i mean j16
vijay [?\]: so they're of rougly equal strength?
cherisse [1k\]: wow lo0o0o0o0ong game
NorthWind [5k\]: I never saw B Rob before but I'm impressed with his play in this game
FangFa [2d\]: catalin is not japanese, he just passed the pro there
]
;W[ol]C[NorthWind [5k\]: seems W disagrees about the cut being important
Athanor [-\]: what cut?
sufferable: take what you can get
marius1 [1d\]: P8 seems severe
]
;B[jo]C[miago [1d\]: it is just an exchange... both anticipated this i guess
NorthWind [5k\]: must have done
JachUGAN [11k\]: kand won her game by 3,5
JachUGAN [11k\]: Kang
A1R [4k\]: are any results of the other boards now?
Zahlman [1k\]: you just got one
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: artem won, ilia is winning
Shedal [2d\]: I Guess the exchange is about equal
stalkor [1d?\]: eep
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: against who won Artem ?
aertan [4k\]: fredrik vs diner?
Pingu007 [2d\]: what about thomas d?
A1R [4k\]: chaelim kim 7d
Pingu007 [2d\]: and antoine f?
sufferable: ok
JachUGAN [11k\]: is thomas debarre playing in this tn?
Kratzdrink [1d\]: artem vs 7d
]
;W[ok]C[Pingu007 [2d\]: yes he is
JachUGAN [11k\]: how are his results?
Pingu007 [2d\]: dunno
superdupon [2d\]: 1/1 until then for thomas
WorldCop [2k\]: ah wow artem won
JachUGAN [11k\]: ok
mcc: w win by komi
superdupon [2d\]: he didn't play the first round
misjoe [2k\]: L8 ?
LittleMan [5d\]: artem will become champion
kane955 [1k\]: l8 
Zahlman [1k\]: l8 to accomplish what?
stf7 [1k\]: Kang will win
WorldCop [2k\]: ilya also good chance for champion.
Bazilikan [2k\]: how much time is left?
Shedal [2d\]: Tomorrow we'll watch Artem's translation
]
;B[ln]C[stalkor [1d?\]: ah rob is using the aji there
aertan [4k\]: did breakfast lose again?
Zahlman [1k\]: yeah
NorthWind [5k\]: Kang will distract Artem; he's 17 :)
]
;W[km]C[Zahlman [1k\]: just m6 directly :)
A1R [4k\]: tomorrow thers no main round!
sufferable: i dont think b can connect tho
Athanor [-\]: he can't
JachUGAN [11k\]: nah he can't
]
;B[kn]C[Zahlman [1k\]: but this is better than throwing in at l8 first
Zahlman [1k\]: why waste the stone
guiguistar [2d\]: insta cut
sufferable: this is better than protecting against p8
Zahlman [1k\]: hmm k6 first maybe?
miago [1d\]: of course k6...
Dontgoplz [19k\]: this game still continues ? o.O
Athanor [-\]: w has no choice
]
;W[jn]
;B[in]
;W[jm]C[LittleMan [5d\]: b could have captured the two stones 3/p3
LittleMan [5d\]: *o3/p3
]
;B[ko]
;W[mn]
;B[id]
;W[ic]
;B[hd]
;W[hc]C[smartrobot [9d?\]: b made some mistakes in this yose
Bruno [1d\]: F 14
sufferable: well he answered h16 didnt he
LittleMan [5d\]: i think w p9 was better at n6...
Zahlman [1k\]: w answered that quickly, isn't there bigger stuff?
mihi [6d\]: 0.5 game?
Q161 [?\]: smartrobot will your people take pity on humans when they take over the world?
]
;B[ds]C[Q161 [?\]: or will it be like the matrix?
smartrobot [9d?\]: i think we will =)
Shedal [2d\]: What about H3? Wasn't it sente?
Q161 [?\]: :P
Q161 [?\]: yay
erikk [-\]: smart answer
Athanor [-\]: f5 dead
Zahlman [1k\]: why would h3 be sente? :)
]
;W[sq]
;B[sr]
;W[sp]C[Shedal [2d\]: oops :)
Shedal [2d\]: It is nor
altrecop [1k\]: g6 dead shedal
Shedal [2d\]: yep
Dontgoplz [19k\]: you think or process data?
mihi [6d\]: D8?
zakatan [6k\]: b18?
Elandal [4k\]: Just a difference in abstraction level, Dontgoplz.
Bruno [1d\]: G 14!
mobese [3k\]: can c9 cut?
LittleMan [5d\]: c9 looks interesting
JachUGAN [11k\]: R2 can be dangerous later on no?
JachUGAN [11k\]: for white
aertan [4k\]: naah
yuexing [2k\]: r10  sente
Lake [8k?\]: protect s2 small?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Weishenme [4d\]: B+ 12
itepilah [1d\]: w+
Bruno [1d\]: G 14!
yuexing [2k\]: b17  for W
JachUGAN [11k\]: i think white can reduce some of black territory in the right
sufferable: white should probably play at e11 when he gets the chance
AllNewSad [3d\]: c9 ?
Muscadet [?\]: g15?
marius1 [1d\]: S8
Bruno [1d\]: C 9 is bloody too
]
;B[rm]C[qgo [4k\]: endgame and b has sente
lalicoasa [4k\]: s7
Karnesun [5d\]: Т_Т
Lolian [2d?\]: who is ahead?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: bravo
]
;W[rr]
;B[qr]
;W[ss]
;B[hr]C[NorthWind [5k\]: the scout
]
;W[qs]
;B[pr]C[LittleMan [5d\]: i would like to know how white handles black c9
]
;W[qj]
;B[rk]C[Bruno [1d\]: yeah
yakotaki [-\]: 8-
]
;W[rn]
;B[qh]C[Bruno [1d\]: C 9 is strong move
Weishenme [4d\]: R12 slow
yakotaki [-\]: what mean strong move ?
mobese [3k\]: smartrobot c9 works?
smartrobot [9d?\]: b always chooses small yose
Bruno [1d\]: a move that kick butt
Shedal [2d\]: it seems to
JachUGAN [11k\]: it means it makes the opponent puddle in the mud
]
;W[hq]C[sufferable: does c9 allow w to make a ko?
]
;B[iq]C[jjermann [4d?\]: smartrobot: what should b do?
sufferable: c9 c10 d10 d9 b9 d11 e10 c12 c13 b11 c11 
mobese [3k\]: :)
sufferable: not sure if w can live tho
Bruno [1d\]: black should accept the soborn
Shedal [2d\]: why D11, sufferable?
sdsd: could w win this game_
sdsd: ?
Lolian [2d?\]: SE?
Luna86 [9k\]: EuroGoTV, how much time players have left?
A1R [4k\]: w f14
sufferable: d8 for atari on d10 and make ko shape
Proclus [7k?\]: Why does nobody play b18? It is big, right?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: B16 W 40 minutes left
sufferable: w would be able to capture either b12 or d12 by winning the ko
sufferable: but.
Luna86 [9k\]: thanks
marius1 [1d\]: C9 C8
mobese [3k\]: b18 small yose now
sufferable: maybe dies
smartrobot [9d?\]: EuroGoTV1, do i need to install something to watch broadcast?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: oh, maybe flash player
smartrobot [9d?\]: but i can't watch it =(
wither [5k\]: flash'
Luna86 [9k\]: if you have addblock you need to turn that off
sdsd: you only have to register
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: maybe you are in China
Bruno [1d\]: C 8, C 10
wither [5k\]: you almost certainly need to install flash
smartrobot [9d?\]: oh
]
;W[cm]C[smartrobot [9d?\]: i cant watch it in china?
]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]C[Shedal [2d\]: Oh my god! Now the game is pretty close!
Bruno [1d\]: awful
kenjiro43 [6k\]: so 9 dan was right earlier
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: no Chinese gouverment blocked the TV server
mobese [3k\]: w saw c9..:)
ekku [-\]: no need to turn adblock off
smartrobot [9d?\]: ...
smartrobot [9d?\]: i see
ekku [-\]: unless it's configured to block all flash
Weishenme [4d\]: B+ 9
sufferable: thats horrible
ww [?\]: what is the 7d rank ? isn't amateurs only up to 6d
smartrobot [9d?\]: thank you very much
Bruno [1d\]: G 14 geez!
hatego [4k\]: Hmm, wasn't this supposed to have started at 3am?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i am using ustream.tv for the video feed
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: is blocked in China
juj: this started at 13:00 GMT
wither [5k\]: you mean chinese government gloriously equalized all access to tv server
Elandal [4k\]: ww: depends on various go organizations. In Europe, 7d is generally highest.
yuexing [2k\]: c8  for B
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: but you can bet on the next move on EuroGoTV^^
Woodstock [-\]: amateurs can play as up to 8-dan on european tournaments
juj: err, 10:00 GMT+3.0
juj: so, 07:00 GMT
taisho [1d\]: lol wither :D
Q161 [?\]: lol if you tell him to bet eurogo he will take all the points :D
hatego [4k\]: Yes, yes.
Luna86 [9k\]: isn't 8dan awarded only to WAGC winners
ww [?\]: they can play up to 8d, but officially they are only 6d ?
hatego [4k\]: So 3am here, sorry.
NschoTschi [-\]: g3 
smartrobot [9d?\]: w is leading a little now..
Luna86 [9k\]: 7d is still official rank and attainable by playing in normal tournaments
hatego [4k\]: I was just surprised because yesterday there was no match on by the time I got on.
jjermann [4d?\]: isnt it possible to get an arbitrary high rank in egf? 
Q161 [?\]: no but you can have arbitrarily high rating
Woodstock [-\]: depends on the country you're in
A1R [4k\]: d7
Bruno [1d\]: G 14 or i change my support to white
NschoTschi [-\]: IS it possible to flood this chat with useless rank discussions?
R1D1 [17k\]: anybody know how kangs game ended?
jjermann [4d?\]: I thought the rank is just a translation from the rating points
sufferable: maybe b should have played r6 instead of q8
Elandal [4k\]: Easily, NschoTschi.
NschoTschi [-\]: Kang won
Q161 [?\]: kind of but not exactly
R1D1 [17k\]: nice
topper [2d\]: B+3,5 in Kang's game
A1R [4k\]: kang + 3.5
Draqon [1k\]: kang +6,5
qgo [4k\]: is this white bluff?
Q161 [?\]: if 7 is the highest rank, 7.2 will be 7d
Q161 [?\]: but so will 10.8
Hendrix [1k\]: wasn't c8 better?
jjermann [4d?\]: in egf there is 8d
rs220675 [1k\]: i think black has excellent chances to stick it to white...
Q161 [?\]: right im saying if :)
Aphelion02 [5k\]: whats the count like?
Elandal [4k\]: EGF only has ratings. Each country has national go organization that awards ranks. Some do it mechanically by converting rating, some have other procedures.
Aphelion02 [5k\]: by my count w is very behind
NschoTschi [-\]: what about B18?
rs220675 [1k\]: no it's a tight game
NorthWind [5k\]: closish
A1R [4k\]: sint d7 big?
sufferable: c8 is making bad shape
]
;B[cl]
;W[ck]C[Bruno [1d\]: F or G 14 
sufferable: b8 is good shape
]
;B[dl]C[jjermann [4d?\]: I am not sure if this is entirely true
]
;W[el]
;B[al]
;W[bk]
;B[dn]C[Bruno [1d\]: ???
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: uh ?
rs220675 [1k\]: ?????
Bruno [1d\]: bloody secuence
dmf [?\]: what
NschoTschi [-\]: !
Athanor [-\]: want sente
NschoTschi [-\]: yes want sente
topper [2d\]: count, guys
sufferable: read maybe
rs220675 [1k\]: what is black thinking d8 is dead!!
Dunadan8 [6k?\]: k
]
;W[dm]C[Athanor [-\]: b d10 is good
Bazilikan [2k\]: who is winning?
NschoTschi [-\]: close
cherisse [1k\]: pro!
Opul3nce [-\]: f11 
mur [1k\]: how much time left?
NschoTschi [-\]: g10 
]
;B[gj]
;W[ff]C[Bruno [1d\]: bah
Bruno [1d\]: white WIN!!!!
JachUGAN [11k\]: well g10 and F14 are miai
NschoTschi [-\]: b18 now?
Bruno [1d\]: Taranu is the WINNER
Dino9 [6d\]: boring game
Aphelion02 [5k\]: don't get why this game is close
Opul3nce [-\]: all downhill from no
Opul3nce [-\]: now*
Aphelion02 [5k\]: some how i count w +20
NschoTschi [-\]: Dino.....
Aphelion02 [5k\]: sry b+20
wealth [2d?\]: you cant count :P
sufferable: i think that b neeced b18 
]
;B[gg]C[Bruno [1d\]: i am off
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game (+betting on the next move) at http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
Opul3nce [-\]: b can be reduced by w in sente
NschoTschi [-\]: q11 ?
sufferable: g10 does not seem to gain very much
mcc: white win bu komi
mcc: by komi
mcc: w leading...
Bazilikan [2k\]: it would suck after all this to lose
mihi [6d\]: if white plays F13 then C13 becomes dangerous
Kickchon [?\]: i count black ~69 w ~ 67,5 :o
golibroda [2d\]: white lost this game
Weishenme [4d\]: B+9
jjermann [4d?\]: why not play B17 as w?
]
;W[fg]C[kenjiro43 [6k\]: Go Catalin!
sufferable: 9 dans are evil
MBartelt [3k\]: f13 nice
tudor11 [2k\]: go catalin!!!
sufferable: they control your mind with go stones and words
]
;B[dj]
;W[dk]C[kenjiro43 [6k\]: ( Dans are good players
NschoTschi [-\]: no
JachUGAN [11k\]: nop they use their supernatural powers
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Very good players
mcc: yes agree
Onmyoji [-\]: hi
Onmyoji [-\]: what is this
fastfun [4d\]: Dans are bad players - 8d up are good players
Onmyoji [-\]: no
kenjiro43 [6k\]: I meant 9 Dans
Onmyoji [-\]: 7d up
Bazilikan [2k\]: what modesty
Athanor [-\]: good b move
JachUGAN [11k\]: nooo
Elandal [4k\]: Kyus throw stones around while dans play a game. Big difference.
NschoTschi [-\]: some 7d's are quite good
fastfun [4d\]: depends on 7d 
Lesmian [1k\]: it is a provincional tournament
JachUGAN [11k\]: 11kyu up are good players =PPP
Athanor [-\]: b18
mcc: rob good
Dantek [1d\]: 1d are good players :D
kenjiro43 [6k\]: I am kyu
Onmyoji [-\]: lol
Bazilikan [2k\]: bazilikan is a good player
HonFu [2d\]: elandal - I throw about stones quite a lot still.
Opul3nce [-\]: wishful thinking jachugan
kenjiro43 [6k\]: So any dan player is better then me
JachUGAN [11k\]: =D
]
;B[bb]C[mcc: selfish
]
;W[ba]C[SciSan [5k?\]: define "good"
sufferable: i will consider you a good player as long as you enjoy the game. 
Onmyoji [-\]: w plays like a pro
Athanor [-\]: hehe
AcidBee [2d\]: he is pro:)
REAPHER [-\]: ._. hence the 5p by his name...
Aphelion02 [5k\]: thats very liberal interpretation of good
patrickelo [5k\]: lets define good as having found the right way of thinking about go
Opul3nce [-\]: sdk is okay...low dan is good, and high dan is better obviously...but ddk are comedy
miksu [4k\]: whoever can resign like a man is a good player
mcc: O M G
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+0.5
Q161 [?\]: judging from w's strength, id say he is about 5p
Bazilikan [2k\]: b17 ?
Onmyoji [-\]: what is your count everyone?
]
;B[bc]C[Weishenme [4d\]: count B+9
zakatan [6k\]: estimator counts 2+0.5
sestir [-\]: w+1,5
FeGo [6d?\]: b++
Athanor [-\]: why b17, not a18?
jjermann [4d?\]: how do women resign?
mcc: q 16 o m g
zakatan [6k\]: but you know, estimator sucks
boatlord [6d\]: w+
Bazilikan [2k\]: B+W
Hendrix [1k\]: G14?
MegaPerle [2d\]: Still hard to tell
kenjiro43 [6k\]: c 13 is good for w?
JachUGAN [11k\]: D13 then later C11?
Hendrix [1k\]: C13
Rakuen [7d\]: w isbetter
guiguistar [2d\]: w + ineluctability
Rakuen [7d\]: b did bad on bottom right
Rakuen [7d\]: he sacrificed the corner to get moves like n7
Rakuen [7d\]: and it died later
Bazilikan [2k\]: W+ good looks
]
;W[gr]
;B[hs]C[Shedal [2d\]: ... and one Yose to rule them all. Rob van Zeijst, the Black Sauron, is about to lose his throne to Catalin the White.
kenjiro43 [6k\]: :)
avio [2d\]: b +6, but 1 hour ago I counted b+20 :)
topper [2d\]: my count w+3,5
]
;W[gh]
;B[hh]
;W[gi]
;B[hi]C[mcc: w win by komi
Kickchon [?\]: well basically white will win, its too close and his yose seems better 
sufferable: b should have known he was ahead
Athanor [-\]: he knew
Onmyoji [-\]: b is pro?
JachUGAN [11k\]: G10?
REAPHER [-\]: no
Laman [1d\]: w is
glint [-\]: come on Catalin
Onmyoji [-\]: why is there no handicap?
egogo [4k\]: c13
mcc: w is pro
]
;W[gf]
;B[hg]C[Shedal [2d\]: Ok, why are Pros permitted to play in this kind of tournaments?
zizu [-\]: whats the result from second board?
JachUGAN [11k\]: it's a tn 
JachUGAN [11k\]: no handicap in tn
patrickelo [5k\]: what landsman is catalin?
A1R [4k\]: b+3,5
Hendrix [1k\]: no hc in top group
JachUGAN [11k\]: kang + 3,5
Onmyoji [-\]: d14 
Rakuen [7d\]: because its not an amateur tournament
goodminton [-\]: i see b 5-6 ahead 
zizu [-\]: thx jachugan
Bazilikan [2k\]: hi rakuen
misjoe [2k\]: shedal: catalin is no longer pro
mcc: romania igo assosiation chef
Rakuen [7d\]: hey bazi
odolany [2k\]: catalin is good for eyes
Shedal [2d\]: he IS a pro
googler [4d\]: B was insei for years and is close to pro strength
Opul3nce [-\]: 74-81 b wins?
misjoe [2k\]: he waited a few years until his pro-ship expired and he was allowed to play in this amateur tournament again
Shedal [2d\]: On the other hand, why are asians permitted to play in European tournaments? :)
JachUGAN [11k\]: well latest info: i'll beat them some day =PPPP
Q161 [?\]: isnt b 6d on kgs?
Rakuen [7d\]: pro-ship neve rexpires..
tapir [1d\]: i count white slightly ahead
JachUGAN [11k\]: bwahahahaha =P
zizu [-\]: who wasnt googler?
Q161 [?\]: how is that close to pro?
Athanor [-\]: i don't understand why every - player vouch for b
misjoe [2k\]: it is an open tournament, shedal
Rakuen [7d\]: and this is not an amateur tournament
Shedal [2d\]: and not a european tournament
Bazilikan [2k\]: but oohaah is playing in it
mcc: yes i agree rob is pro too
jjermann [4d?\]: hmm how do I get VIP points?
Shedal [2d\]: and not a tournament, but rather a congress :)
orro [?\]: how do they stand on time?
misjoe [2k\]: rakuen: it does if you stop your membership of the ki-in: you don´t get a salary anymore etc... the 5p is still there as an honorary title, though
mcc: 5 p vs 3p
NorthWind [5k\]: permits, permits. all are welcome
Onmyoji [-\]: israel wants to be part of europe so bad
]
;W[qg]
;B[rg]C[misjoe [2k\]: no, it is the european championship, shedal
]
;W[rj]
;B[sj]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: your thinking of turkey Onmyoji
]
;W[qm]C[misjoe [2k\]: which happens to take place during the EGC :)
]
;B[pj]
;W[pi]
;B[pk]C[goodminton [-\]: this was big
MoogleOo [2d\]: s8 fatality.
Rakuen [7d\]: cant s8 really
sufferable: s8 is very bad mistake
Rakuen [7d\]: s8 p10 o9 p11 q12 p7 o7 q7 
Rakuen [7d\]: b can take many points  in sente with that sequence
stf7 [1k\]: t11 and Q15 are good
stf7 [1k\]: for w
Bazilikan [2k\]: if this is the egc cant anyone play?
zizu [-\]: w+2,5
]
;W[oj]
;B[rl]C[stf7 [1k\]: gn
stf7 [1k\]: hm
Rakuen [7d\]: yes bazi
Rakuen [7d\]: i can go there and win it too
mcc: w win by komi
Bazilikan [2k\]: but its not an amatuer tournament?
Rakuen [7d\]: its not
Athanor [-\]: Rakuen, you will experience problems being the European champ if you're not european
Bazilikan [2k\]: your not making sence
ztrwertz: f11
fastfun [4d\]: not amateur does not mean pro
wolokom [5k\]: hm white now ahead
Katchumo [4k\]: who won on board 2?
Athanor [-\]: kang
glint [-\]: Kang
FeGo [6d?\]: kang the cute
Rakuen [7d\]: u are not understanding what i say bazilikan
Q161 [?\]: kang the kang
Rakuen [7d\]: think :)
Elandal [4k\]: You can register as European if you're citizen of a EGF member country. Simple as that.
JachUGAN [11k\]: Athanor, does MJN sounds like somthg u know?
MBartelt [3k\]: d13 for white? pretty tired but looks bigish to me ^^
Bazilikan [2k\]: not amateur meaning anyone can play?
goodminton [-\]: w caught up now it is only 2-3p
Opul3nce [-\]: d13 should be sente
Elandal [4k\]: It's open, not ama nor pro.
Rakuen [7d\]: in amateur tournaments only amateurs can play
Opul3nce [-\]: d13..followed by d14...
Bazilikan [2k\]: ok
Q161 [?\]: d13 not good
misjoe [2k\]: rakuen is right
Bazilikan [2k\]: my bad
Rakuen [7d\]: example..wagc :)
Weishenme [4d\]: B+1
misjoe [2k\]: and anybody can win, but the highest EU player will be the European Champion
Neverhood [3k\]: d13 - f12 ?
Elandal [4k\]: Not EU, but EGF member country :)
SqueezeIt [2d\]: are you sure only amateurs are allowed to participate in wagc? :D
Rakuen [7d\]: yes
JachUGAN [11k\]: yeah
misjoe [2k\]: true elandal
JachUGAN [11k\]: Rakune how lonh did it take u to get the 7dan?
Snowbars [2d\]: c11 for W?
tapir [1d\]: Well, non EGF-member countries in Europe are eligible as well.
JachUGAN [11k\]: Rakuen
Rakuen [7d\]: 2 years
JachUGAN [11k\]: loool
JachUGAN [11k\]: i'm off to hang my self
Bazilikan [2k\]: from 6d to 7d...
]
;W[gs]C[JachUGAN [11k\]: i was asking about the overall time since u started
Neverhood [3k\]: h4 
]
;B[hp]
;W[gp]
;B[gq]C[N4KED [1d\]: I never got how russia is part of europe
wealth [2d?\]: 2 years aint that long time :S
N4KED [1d\]: doesnt seem right
Q161 [?\]: n4ked check a map
]
;W[pe]
;B[qe]
;W[hq]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: russia being part of asia isnt righ teither
Proclus [7k?\]: @n4ked: Russian emporer direct descendent from Romans
apina [1k\]: N4KED, why it's not right?
NschoTschi [-\]: m8 
Laman [1d\]: closer to europe than to asia
sfgss [3d\]: B is probably much better than KGS 7d
IkaGo [3k\]: Does the ko fight tell us who thinks they're ahead?
Proclus [7k?\]: (not by birth, but by title)
Rakuen [7d\]: russia has played in asian region tournaments before
]
;B[np]
;W[op]C[mcc: w win by komi
]
;B[gq]C[patrickelo [5k\]: more than 2/3 of russian are in europe, but more than 2/3 of the country are in asia
]
;W[bi]C[Dogen [4k\]: I think there are still enough yose points that it may be close
patrickelo [5k\]: russians*
Vovka27 [3k\]: Newerhood, are you played ds??
]
;B[cg]
;W[hq]C[MoogleOo [2d\]: so there are 4/3 of russia
JachUGAN [11k\]: is this ko fight important?
wealth [2d?\]: well europe rocks so :P
Neverhood [3k\]: ?
patrickelo [5k\]: lol
Laman [1d\]: what is byoyomi?
Bazilikan [2k\]: q12 big enough?
Opul3nce [-\]: if RUSSIA is in europe for the empire and medival total wars then I except it!! in addition its in the eurovision song contest
IkaGo [3k\]: You say W+komi, but didn't W choose the ko fight?
Laman [1d\]: or, how much time is byoyomi?
Opul3nce [-\]: so is israel tho...
Neverhood [3k\]: q12 
odolany [2k\]: denmark is in america?
]
;B[jr]C[Dogen [4k\]: Q12 big threat for B
lemming [1k?\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?ByoYomi
Opul3nce [-\]: if the EU take turkey then we should take russia and isreal
Sarcoma [11k\]: 1 min 1 round
Rakuen [7d\]: q12 is not a big threat
lemming [1k?\]: @ laman
lemming [1k?\]: oh
lemming [1k?\]: xd
lemming [1k?\]: nevemrind
Rakuen [7d\]: white j2 makes the ko massive
Elandal [4k\]: Geographic Europe is to Ural. But Russia was close to Europe in the middle ages, and still retains some ties.
Neverhood [3k\]: oh no... black is a coward....
mcc: laman
mcc: options rules
Bazilikan [2k\]: coward=smart
Luna86 [9k\]: q12 around 5 points or so
Opul3nce [-\]: Countries like georgia want to be in europe...they further east
Laman [1d\]: mcc: my bad, thank you
Dogen [4k\]: they don't want to "be in Europe"; they want to be in the EU
SciSan [5k?\]: exactly
Dogen [4k\]: the EGF includes a number of countries not in the EU
NschoTschi [-\]: they are in europa
qgo [4k\]: Elbruss is highest mountain in Europe.
N4KED [1d\]: if russia is part of europe then russia and the US are neighbors
IkaGo [3k\]: Stupid cars with intentionally load mufflers
Bazilikan [2k\]: how come your not there rakuen?
IkaGo [3k\]: loud
furr [?\]: who doesn't want to belong to EU , if Russia is next to you?
Q161 [?\]: n4ked have you not taken a geography course?
N4KED [1d\]: I mean europe and america are neighors
]
;W[io]C[wealth [2d?\]: ....
]
;B[oc]C[Dogen [4k\]: DDK in geography...
Q161 [?\]: lol
wealth [2d?\]: well there is a big ass sea....
]
;W[nb]C[NschoTschi [-\]: russia is crazy regime?
Opul3nce [-\]: russia and us already are neighbors...lol alaska
misjoe [2k\]: let´s stick to the game, guys
N4KED [1d\]: yeah but europe and america are neighbors?
wealth [2d?\]: no
zakatan [6k\]: i guess they share a sea
Athanor [-\]: yeah, it's only a few thousand km away
zakatan [6k\]: also greenland is europe
chimbba [2k\]: taranu not looking happy
SciSan [5k?\]: they are in the sma planet at least
o3epo [1k\]: EuroGoTV, Who won: Ali or Ilia
Bazilikan [2k\]: ali of course
N4KED [1d\]: 150 km away
NschoTschi [-\]: Ilya
IkaGo [3k\]: How can you tell?  All I see are his knuckles.
Elandal [4k\]: Geographic and geopolitical borders may differ.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: they are still playing
Bazilikan [2k\]: :(
NschoTschi [-\]: Are they in Byo-Yomi here?
wealth [2d?\]: when there is more then100 km of water between. you are not nightbors ...
Opul3nce [-\]: didn't know greenland was europe
Bazilikan [2k\]: whats a 100km here and there
Athanor [-\]: it's Denmark, precisely
NschoTschi [-\]: no longer
wealth [2d?\]: scandinavia. ftw....
Muscadet [?\]: please boys, discuss this with your teachers
]
;B[kd]
;W[kc]
;B[md]
;W[od]
;B[pc]C[GoRoGoRo [9k\]: http://eurogotv.com/whereexactlydotheyshowthis
Opul3nce [-\]: w wants ko?
]
;W[hf]
;B[if]C[gdghgjd [2d\]: it's very close
topper [2d\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV1
NschoTschi [-\]: c11 biggish?
Weishenme [4d\]: g16 big
]
;W[ci]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: if they keep playing with there hair like that they will be bald by there next game
mcc: close to the end.......
]
;B[ch]C[Dino9 [6d\]: w+3-6pts
engelchen [1d\]: close o lunch time
Weishenme [4d\]: f10?
NschoTschi [-\]: Is board 6 finished?
Draqon [1k\]: do they have still time?
mcc: here is dinner
]
;W[eq]
;B[dq]C[mcc: w win by komi
Bruno [1d\]: dinerchtein?
Bazilikan [2k\]: what does the s.e. say?
WVoron [3d\]: w+ 7-8
Bazilikan [2k\]: W+ -1 point?
]
;W[ip]C[Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+17.5
tadanobu [10k\]: SE has no idea of what's going on around E14, and gives points where there are none
mcc: wrong counting
mcc: count again........
Onmyoji [-\]: my count is always accurate
]
;B[mc]
;W[mb]C[tadanobu [10k\]: prolly +5 to +10 for white
LittleMan [5d\]: i prefer w f10 - b g9 - w d11
Dino9 [6d\]: any news from 3rd and 4th board?
Hikaru9999: hi
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: artem beat korean 7d, ali and ilya are still playing
goodminton [-\]: what about t11
jleone [4k\]: w f5 is a good move,sente
Dino9 [6d\]: wow :) thx
Hikaru9999: is this a real game?
Bazilikan [2k\]: who is winning between ali and ilya?
jleone [4k\]: f10, sorry
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know
Bazilikan [2k\]: go check
Shedal [2d\]: W+0.5
Bruno [1d\]: F 10 no gain
Bazilikan [2k\]: ._.
goodminton [-\]: w has a little lead now 1-2p
jleone [4k\]: why not?
]
;B[ej]C[Hikaru9999: what is F10?
wolokom [5k\]: f 10
Elandal [4k\]: You should have some useless kyus there running the results to you.
Bruno [1d\]: an airplain
jleone [4k\]: u see? he defended 
NschoTschi [-\]: is this really more tahn 10 points?
Lolian [2d?\]: f9
GoRoGoRo [9k\]: @topper: thank you
LittleMan [5d\]: f10 was bigger than j4 i feel
HonFu [2d\]: okay, but the difference became quite large. Or was since a while and I just didnt get it ...
Bazilikan [2k\]: when will someone play a1?
]
;W[di]C[Hikaru9999: are them stronger than sai?
Bazilikan [2k\]: a12*
jjermann [4d?\]: J4 was around 5 points?
ProoMas [12k\]: catalinu looks worried
gdghgjd [2d\]: j4 was aorund 5,5
mcc: u to much watching tv.........
]
;B[fk]C[Luna86 [9k\]: shouldn't be
TonyTiger [4d\]: white has 5p
o3epo [1k\]: w+5
Lolian [2d?\]: w made mistake, now b got f9!
mcc: b?
mcc: - 4 points
ProoMas [12k\]: w+1.5
Hikaru9999: who wins? black?
HonFu [2d\]: proomas, dont believe score estimator
]
;W[gd]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[mcc: w win by komi
ProoMas [12k\]: xD why not?
vaxou [4k\]: komi is 0.5 ?
Werfeus [4d\]: komi is 8
moosh [1d\]: GOOOOO kang
vaxou [4k\]: uh
vaxou [4k\]: k^
HonFu [2d\]: score estimator is always off
ProoMas [12k\]: seems right to me
N4KED [1d\]: jp 6.5
Zing [2k?\]: komi is 6.5
Werfeus [4d\]: komi is 8
Luna86 [9k\]: shouldn't be werfe, japanese rules in all boards
misjoe [2k\]: komi is 6.5, no ?  highest boards play japanese rules
Werfeus [4d\]: oh wait top players,,
Elandal [4k\]: Blasphemy. Holy SE is always right. Sometimes the players fail though.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: ilya won against ali
ProoMas [12k\]: ok noticed that he missed 2 points
Dino9 [6d\]: thx euro
]
(;B[eh]C[ProoMas [12k\]: for w
])
(;B[eg]C[Zing [2k?\]: werfeus this year we use japanese rules, not ing
Hikaru9999: black wins?
Werfeus [4d\]: hallelujah
WangFei [-\]: what is result to Kim JungHyeop ?
HonFu [2d\]: ing rules has a komi of 8!?
misjoe [2k\]: oh, every board ?  I hope it will be like that next year too, I´ll be going !
Hikaru9999: is it alive or dead?
freemind [1d\]: geeze komi of 8 that is nutz
mcc: please u see options n rules
Q161 [?\]: yeh but black wins ties
freemind [1d\]: ah
Q161 [?\]: so its really komi of 7.5
freemind [1d\]: ok
nasnad [2d\]: it is the same
freemind [1d\]: i c
ProoMas [12k\]: komi of 7.9 :@
Hikaru9999: is g18 dead?
Doukan [3k\]: can someone give me the link of standings?
freemind [1d\]: then why do it
freemind [1d\]: at all
tadanobu [10k\]: komi of 8 with ING rules is really good, if you take time to read all the rules. 
Hikaru9999: g17
inlite [5k\]: e11
tadanobu [10k\]: about like usual komi with chinese rules
freemind [1d\]: if b wins a tier just keep it 7.5
N4KED [1d\]: china komi is 8 but then black wins under tie
Hikaru9999: what is E11?
freemind [1d\]: hm
inlite [5k\]: no ko
rs220675 [1k\]: whats the current score? w by 3.5?
Doukan [3k\]: can we see the standings -.-
ProoMas [12k\]: I think
freemind [1d\]: ive never really played chinese rules but a few times
Hikaru9999: what is a good move?
Bruno [1d\]: o 16 few points
freemind [1d\]: go is so strange to me with the dif rules 
freemind [1d\]: lol
Elandal [4k\]: Doukan: after 2nd round http://www.egc2010.fi/results/egc-main-results.txt
moosh [1d\]: kang wins this tournament
moosh [1d\]: goooooo kang
Doukan [3k\]: thank you elandal 
Q161 [?\]: eurogo is there prize money for first place?
stf7 [1k\]: gogogo Kaaang!
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: yes
Q161 [?\]: how much?
A1R [4k\]: ilay and artem are in good shape....i wont say that kang wins it
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i dont know
]
;W[fi]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: 1 trillion billiong
Q161 [?\]: :(
Bazilikan [2k\]: zimbabwe dollors
]
;B[ei]
;W[fh]C[Hikaru9999: is f11 dead?
vannab [3k\]: EuroGoTV is just a camaraman, not an oracle ;)
]
;B[eh]C[Hikaru9999: oh disconnected
glint [-\]: opps
ProoMas [12k\]: F41
ProoMas [12k\]: f10
]
;W[ef]
;B[df]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
HonFu [2d\]: well, does anybody here know the prices?
Isobeutel [4k\]: in past egc´s it was about 2000-3000 euro, i think
kenjiro43 [6k\]: F10
misjoe [2k\]: eurogotv, what are next week´s lottery numbers ?
ProoMas [12k\]: F10?
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: 450euro lasy year 
]
;W[mo]C[yakotaki [-\]: one dinner
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: last
StefanRadu [1k\]: who won between csaba and kang?
dmf [?\]: kang
Anubis [1d?\]: kang
NinG [18k\]: kang + 3.5
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Kang
Shedal [2d\]: kang
ProoMas [12k\]: isn't F10 big?
Hikaru9999: you people are watching this game or the lottery on tv?
Onmyoji [-\]: some korean always wins egc
Anubis [1d?\]:  she is strong
zizu [-\]: 450 EUR is not so much
Zyfor [8k\]: f10 is nothing
Bazilikan [2k\]: are they gonna count manually?
N4KED [1d\]: Also win in other ways too
]
;B[pm]C[Bruno [1d\]: girls play in this tourney?
]
;W[om]C[REAPHER [-\]: ._. f10 doesn't feel important
onegoal [3k\]: first price a cow, that would be something
Hikaru9999: tell me who  wins this game !!!!!
ProoMas [12k\]: F10 ~4 pts
mcc: w win by komi
Gohome [2d\]: t11
itepilah [1d\]: t11
evanj [2d\]: F10 ~0 PTS
Bruno [1d\]: Q 12
]
;B[oa]C[ProoMas [12k\]: ?
Hikaru9999: why is f10 so important?
mcc: 5 p vs 3p
Hikaru9999: i dont see it
REAPHER [-\]: ._. its not
ProoMas [12k\]: w captures 2 b stones with F10
Bruno [1d\]: it is not
btxltbt: Chaelim Kim and ilia? who win?
gdghgjd [2d\]: stongest european in egc2010 = european champion?
REAPHER [-\]: no he doesnt
evanj [2d\]: no he doesn't
ProoMas [12k\]: ?
tomejek [12k?\]: why still no q12 from b?
ProoMas [12k\]: oh
tomejek [12k?\]: :/
ProoMas [12k\]: lol
ProoMas [12k\]: nvm
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
PtitLudo [3d\]: F10/G9
]
;W[ld]
;B[me]
;W[jd]C[PtitLudo [3d\]: nothing
marius1 [1d\]: T11
]
;B[ke]
;W[he]
;B[ie]C[ProoMas [12k\]: yeah yeah I see
ProoMas [12k\]: misread it
fatihsulak [-\]: white +0,5 imo
gdghgjd [2d\]: stongest european in egc2010 = european champion?
grumpyjoe [-\]: 1st place is a year supply of zhuyeng tea
dmf [?\]: yes
Hikaru9999: oooooh
FeGo [6d?\]: b can win
]
;W[es]C[gabigo [4k?\]: b wind
]
;B[fs]
;W[lq]
;B[lr]
;W[es]C[marius1 [1d\]: seems w wins
gabigo [4k?\]: wins*
Bazilikan [2k\]: big ko?
itepilah [1d\]: go catalin!
Hikaru9999: b can play h10?
]
;B[dr]C[evanj [2d\]: hm
FeGo [6d?\]: m8
yakotaki [-\]: over
SR123 [6k\]: why do white no capture the two stones (in gote)?
Weishenme [4d\]: which ones ?
Q161 [?\]: which stones?
Worthless [-\]: What two stones?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Go Catalin!
ProoMas [12k\]: F10 escapes
ProoMas [12k\]: =D
SR123 [6k\]: f10
REAPHER [-\]: ._....
Q161 [?\]: cannot capture..
REAPHER [-\]: -_-
ProoMas [12k\]: ^_^
Bruno [1d\]: w win by 3 or 4
Doukan [3k\]: -.-
SR123 [6k\]: ups sorry i missed that
REAPHER [-\]: What is with everyone thinking that f10 can capture?!
ProoMas [12k\]: hehe xD
adiida [3k\]: t9/t11?
Bazilikan [2k\]: j11 good go threat
gabigo [4k?\]: t7 
itepilah [1d\]: t11
btxltbt:  Chaelim Kim and ilia? who win?
Doukan [3k\]: f10 has an illusion effect
ProoMas [12k\]: yea
vandrei [11k\]: what rules are they using
Hikaru9999: reapher is a flooder, watch out
]
;W[ak]C[mcc: O M G 
]
;B[am]C[ihatelag [10k\]: jap rules
Sarcoma [11k\]: options>rules
Bruno [1d\]: O 16
vandrei [11k\]: thx
HonFu [2d\]: what can we do, even if we watch out?
REAPHER [-\]: ._. I am?
mcc: RULES
Bruno [1d\]: big
bolbi [-\]: Hikaru9999 : give us a rest
Lolian [2d?\]: isn't t11 quite big?
mcc:  see options n rules
Shedal [2d\]: T7 should be big 
stf7 [1k\]: 1
stf7 [1k\]: !
stf7 [1k\]: :D
]
;W[hk]
;B[hj]C[rs220675 [1k\]: who's leading?
goodminton [-\]: t11
Bruno [1d\]: O 16
ProoMas [12k\]: T7 se
Doukan [3k\]: w is leading by 4 or 5
ProoMas [12k\]: sente?
Onmyoji [-\]: i count w+4.5
shikashogi [10k\]: i wouldve thought q12 is biggest?
ProoMas [12k\]: T7 sente?
Anubis [1d?\]: t7 t9, 1 point for black
N4KED [1d\]: can british players compete in EGC?
Dino9 [6d\]: w+3,5 final result
Hikaru9999: black played h10 as I said !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stf7 [1k\]: lol
vandrei [11k\]: lol
vandrei [11k\]: rofl
ProoMas [12k\]: ;D
Lolian [2d?\]: t11 now
Hikaru9999: am I pro now?
gdghgjd [2d\]: Dino9 always says the same
REAPHER [-\]: ._. no
sameasyou [2d\]: t11
Bi00io [8k\]: yes
Dino9 [6d\]: t11 gote
Bi00io [8k\]: no
stf7 [1k\]: british cant compete
Bi00io [8k\]: yes
Bi00io [8k\]: no
Bi00io [8k\]: yes
]
;W[na]
;B[pa]C[Dino9 [6d\]: t11 t9 t7
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
fada [2k\]: a11
Lolian [2d?\]: yes, but it's big no?
sameasyou [2d\]: yes
Bi00io [8k\]: no
myko [10k\]: Bio00io, is that your final answer?
NschoTschi [-\]: is macfayden there?
Bi00io [8k\]: no
Bi00io [8k\]: no
sameasyou [2d\]: 3 points
]
;W[ah]
;B[ag]C[Dino9 [6d\]: 1-2point gote
Hikaru9999: my cousin is here
]
;W[ai]
;B[nd]
;W[lb]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: o16 m18 q12 
Bazilikan [2k\]: game over
sameasyou [2d\]: 3 points gote
tadanobu [10k\]: list of players 
tadanobu [10k\]: http://www.egc2010.fi/registered.php
Bruno [1d\]: Q12
onegoal [3k\]: yay
fada [2k\]: e15
ProoMas [12k\]: Q12 1 point in sente?
]
;B[ee]
;W[fe]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: ye
Worthless [-\]: q12 is 0 points
]
;B[sn]
;W[so]C[ProoMas [12k\]: for B
evanj [2d\]: q12 is a ko threat
evanj [2d\]: w can't play it
Bazilikan [2k\]: its 1 point
evanj [2d\]: no it's not
Babibo [2d\]: q12 is -28 points in sente
gabigo [4k?\]: no pints
Worthless [-\]: W can't play q12 anyway
]
;B[si]C[ProoMas [12k\]: oh
Bazilikan [2k\]: oooooooooh
ProoMas [12k\]: xD
vandrei [11k\]: lol
zizu [-\]: w+2,5
jjermann [4d?\]: q12 is actually bad for b
Bazilikan [2k\]: ooops
kenjiro43 [6k\]: B14?
SciSan [5k?\]: I'd like to see that happen
fada [2k\]: a18
Bazilikan [2k\]: my bad
]
;W[sm]C[Worthless [-\]: q1
itepilah [1d\]: both are tired
Pinguschaf [7d?\]: i wonder why white didnt throw in there
vandrei [11k\]: i think all we know this
zakatan [6k\]: q1 crap
Dino9 [6d\]: q1 is half point gote
]
;B[lh]C[vandrei [11k\]: they playing from morning
]
;W[ab]
;B[ac]
;W[ca]C[guiguistar [2d\]: SE set with proper komi?
]
;B[fs]C[Lavv [4d\]: if w t11 b t9 w t7 so its 1 pts in gote
erikk [-\]: without lunchbreak?
]
;W[aa]C[gdghgjd [2d\]: two europeans playing at table 1   <-- rare
Worthless [-\]: a18 was... 1 point gote?
]
;B[es]C[Onmyoji [-\]: 5 hous?
Onmyoji [-\]: hours
]
;W[sr]
;B[ps]
;W[rs]C[Bazilikan [2k\]: game over?
]
;B[ph]
;W[oi]C[zizu [-\]: A19 is filled?
Bazilikan [2k\]: ha
]
;B[sl]
;W[sn]C[Pinguschaf [7d?\]: are u sure? b has to play s14, too then
evanj [2d\]: why
Doukan [3k\]: as dion said, 3,5 it is.
]
;B[sk]C[itepilah [1d\]: 3.5 like the other game?
Doukan [3k\]: dino*
Bazilikan [2k\]: japanese rules?
Lavv [4d\]: yes thats why its 1 pt
Gohome [2d\]: f 10 
zizu [-\]: dino is good counter
Lavv [4d\]: more than this i mean
Bazilikan [2k\]: what rules?
jjermann [4d?\]: F10 is a point no?
myko [10k\]: dino for se?
scurge [5d\]: I think i will never understand Zejst style, it looks so weird but still he gets good games against top europe
zakatan [6k\]: f10 dame
Doukan [3k\]: dino is better than SE ^^
HonFu [2d\]: who is not?
Bazilikan [2k\]: ooh there conting
avio [2d\]: w +3.5
evanj [2d\]: w won, too bad
Bazilikan [2k\]: aw
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: w wins by 3.5
Worthless [-\]: Thank you, EuroGo.
vandrei [11k\]: oh yes
SUIRAD [1d\]: catalin the best !
gabigo [4k?\]: bravo catalin!!!
orro [?\]: who said b+20?
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Good Catalin!
tudor11 [2k\]: thx
SciSan [5k?\]: :(
Doukan [3k\]: thanks
avio [2d\]: yeeeees
Hic [5k\]: thanks!
JanHao [2d\]: thank you catalin!
vandrei [11k\]: congrat CATALIN
Onmyoji [-\]: maybe w was aiming for 0.5 win. pros always do that against amateurs
kenjiro43 [6k\]: Thank you Euro!
avio [2d\]: bravo Catalin
zizu [-\]: why SE exist when everybody counts better?
ippo [24k?\]: thx
vandrei [11k\]: felicitari
vandrei [11k\]: bravo
lalicoasa [4k\]: bravo!
misjoe [2k\]: thank you, eurogotv !
itepilah [1d\]: dino predicted previous game too
gdghgjd [2d\]: I did not believe in white here...
jim [6d\]: congrat Catalin
kenjiro43 [6k\]: BRavo!
evanj [2d\]: more games today?
Shedal [2d\]: impossible
zife [6k\]: zizu for lazy people
Bi00io [8k\]: you re welcome all
vannab [3k\]: Thanks EuroGO!
mi1 [1k\]: waiting for Ilya vs catalin
ProoMas [12k\]: thx eurogo
erikk [-\]: thx Harry
sameasyou [2d\]: great game
Bi00io [8k\]: you are welcome all
qgo [4k\]: thanks Euro. Have a nice time. Mina rakastan Suomi.
EuroGoTV1 [-\]: i will give the last betting points back later today
gdghgjd [2d\]: stongest european in egc2010 = european champion?
erikk [-\]: tomorrow I want my VIP points
JanHao [2d\]: milan was saying catalin was ahead, when all the peaple war betting on Rob
Hikaru9999: why are pro games so long?
o3epo [1k\]: Ilia won?
Dino9 [6d\]: y
Hikaru9999: im falling sleep
glc [6k\]: my 2 cents - w ahead for 1,5 ?
o3epo [1k\]: thanks
Hikaru9999: S14
Q161 [?\]: janhao where milan said that?
JanHao [2d\]: Strong player MilanMilan :)
vijay [?\]: minä rakastan suomea
Q161 [?\]: but where did you read it?
mcc: the end
mcc: pass
Hikaru9999: pros can play J1?
])))